/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.7696097]

There are no jobs. Let's face it. The western world is fucked. The aristocracy has sucked the blood from all of us. Unless you were born wealthy, your choices are to either learn coding or work a trade job. Anything involving the arts or anything liberal arts related is dead. Totally dead. The human spirit is being crushed.

[Anonymous No.7696151]

>>7696097
>inb4 I'm a welder that makes $5 billion a year and bla bla bla muh-cheap rent

[Anonymous No.7696268]

>>7696097
>>7696151

[Anonymous No.7696303]

If the western world manages to throw out illegal leeching brown poorfags, there would be a couple more entry jobs to go around. And if the western world manages to push women back into traditional housekeeping, childraising roles and not into letting themselves exploit in the workforce, there would be enough jobs around for millenials and gen z and gen alpha etc. to live lifes with dignity and the neet problem 90% solved.

[Anonymous No.7696333]

>>7696303
This. Women in the workplace just halved wages and destroyed the jobs market. It's great women now have financial independence but it's kinda ruining society.

[Anonymous No.7696362]

>>7696303
The current state of neo-Marxist Western society is a perfect example of "Be careful what you wish for"

[Anonymous No.7696370]

>>7696333
>>7696362
>>7696303
I see none of you have economics education

[Anonymous No.7696375]

>>7696151

lol

[Anonymous No.7696399]

>>7696333
>financial Independence
>go out and get into debt
Greatest double think of our time

[Anonymous No.7696426]

>>7696399
people who complain that there are no jobs arn't the smartest bunch

[Anonymous No.7696460]

>>7696426
Basic low skill jobs that pay a living wage are dead for sure. Most people are in this category.

[Anonymous No.7696513]

>>7696097
You can just buy $5k in crypto and be able to live comfortably without working for the rest of your life.

[Anonymous No.7696551]

>>7696460
only the brainlets

demand for labor decreases as efficiency increases. However people with education are in high demand.

[Anonymous No.7696573]

>>7696333
It's basically a bet of the owners of production and top 1%, to say: We will somehow try our best to make society work through social engineering (not guaranteed, it's a bet), but take the halved wages and drastically reduced wage costs right now (which is guaranteed)....

[Anonymous No.7696583]

>>7696097
>Anything involving the arts or anything liberal arts related is dead. Totally dead

Lmao what the fuck It's always been dead

[Anonymous No.7696589]

>being jobless in 2018 while having access to the biggest information library in the history of the world which is also the biggest networking tool the world has ever seen
you deserve to be poor no offense

[Anonymous No.7696610]

>>7696097
nigger you can become a multi millionaire as a painter. and if you write erotic novels for women, even better.

[Anonymous No.7696618]

>>7696573
>Mfw We all know how this works out

[Anonymous No.7696645]

>>7696551
>However people with education are in high demand.

Remember that in 10-20 years, when ALL the white collar jobs have gone to AI, and ditch diggers are now the highest paid profession (since manual labor is actually a fairly tough thing to automate).

[Anonymous No.7696667]

>>7696097
Am I really tired, or is this wojack holographic?

[Anonymous No.7696673]

>>7696551
As technology gets better the minimum IQ floor is raised. Once this floor reaches around 100 then we will see much more serious problems. I think we are now en couching the low 90s and when we see all fastfood replaced with machines we will be seeing it come much closer to the low hundreds.

[Anonymous No.7696706]

>>7696673
> encroaching * HAHA nothing like talking about IQ and fucking up like that

[Anonymous No.7696720]

>>7696370
Top tier bait

[Anonymous No.7696729]

That's not true.

[Anonymous No.7696737]

Even with AI, a computer is only as smart as what it's programmed to know. Even if it has the ability to learn, It would still only be able to do a half ass job compared to a human. That's why tech jobs are not just the future, but the only future.

[Anonymous No.7696769]

>>7696097
>liberal arts
>jobs
I mean Starbucks seems like they're always fucking hiring

[Anonymous No.7696796]

>>7696618
yep, if their bet fails, they need a good plan B to prevent their families and bloodlines from being killed wholesale (most noble bloodlines in France, Russia, China for example have been wiped out during and after their revolutions. The last emperor of china died as a poor street sweeper).
One plan B could be to try and channel the revolutionairy violence away from them and more into a 'race war' for example. Or a 'world war' could also be an option, or the next best thing that presents itself during such a time

[Anonymous No.7696831]

>>7696645
>>7696645
until AI can research and build (creatively) higher education jobs will be in demand since they'll be necessary to use AI/programs to do tasks
>>7696720
>half the supply of labor in the workforce
>nothing could go wrong
literally 0 economics background

[Anonymous No.7696883]

>>7696831
It'll never happen. As good as a job an AI can do, there will always be a human that can do it better.

[Anonymous No.7696884]

>>7696737
Um sir if you make an AI that learns how to create data sets of data set classification and then have another ai use the data set classifications to create datasets for each classification and then have have another ai learn to classify things based in that data set then the possibilities are endless and they will take over. You were warned

[Anonymous No.7696916]

>>7696883
Wrong the human element is a meme that nobody gives a shit about. See you at the self checkout at Walmart.

[Anonymous No.7696935]

>>7696883
>As good as a job an AI can do, there will always be a human that can do it better.
you need to keep up on AI research anon, we are actually pretty far

[Anonymous No.7696940]

>>7696737
With AI? No with AI its only as smart as the number of layers the deep learning neural network is capable of. AI can easily outsmart humans. Also you don't program AI when it comes to deep learning neural networks. You train them, the machines actual brain is a black box beyond that.

> Even if it has the ability to learn, It would still only be able to do a half ass job compared to a human.

This isn't a true or false statement. Its a sliding scale and it will only continue to slide upwards in terms of what is possible.

> That's why tech jobs are not just the future, but the only future.

I agree. But this means we will be looking at most of the human race becoming worthless. We will experience some kind of machine uprising in the future. And a lot of people wont make the cut.

Not being able to find a job right now, is not making the cut. Its already happening.

[Anonymous No.7696982]

>>7696737
>That's why tech jobs are not just the future, but the only future.
>I agree. But this means we will be looking at most of the human race becoming worthless.
once AI can out perform humans in creativity and being "human" i.e. talking to people, therapy, etc

then humans will no longer be necessary and it will be the end

[Anonymous No.7696995]

>>7696097
>The aristocracy has sucked the blood from all of us
You've got it wrong. It's the leaving of the aristocracy that's causing 99% of our problems.

[Anonymous No.7697018]

>>7696268
>according to nine people
>interviewed every single open position for Ph.D's in AI

[Anonymous No.7697053]

Good AI will be the new 'white people' of the future world. The old 'white people' could be employed through forced quotas (in government positions and big firms), much like black people are today in the US for example.
Black people of today will be ....animals of the future? only fed to reduce their aggression ?

[Anonymous No.7697057]

>>7696370
tits or gtfo

[Anonymous No.7697078]

Currently working with deep convolutional neural networks and if you aren't a techy your fucked. Driving, telemarketing, accounting, finance, anything related to sound imagery or numbers in general will at risk in the short term. Machine learning will replicate and produce similar or better results then humans for pennies

[Anonymous No.7697120]

The real strength in AI will come when it is smarter then humans because it will essentially be the best teacher humans could ask for to take us to the next level as a society. Or they will exterminate us.

[Anonymous No.7697133]

>>7696097
>Anything involving the arts or anything liberal arts related is dead. Totally dead. The human spirit is being crushed.
BAHBAHAHHBAHAHH

let me quote it again
>Anything involving the arts or anything liberal arts related is dead. Totally dead. The human spirit is being crushed.

BAHBAHBAHABAHHAAHHAHAAH


just learn to actually work. arts & liberal arts are for recreation, unless you're word-class. it can only support the best of the best, and even then, word-class people doing actual work will earn much better better than world-class people writing poems.

sorry bro, lol

[Anonymous No.7697140]

Also with cybernetics it may be possible to use AI to increase our own untapped capabilities

[Anonymous No.7697144]

>>7696982
Machines will be very productive at creating comedy first. The ability to generate funny jokes or characters will decimate our culture. I know this sounds weird but its only a matter of time.

Currently social media provides a very effective way for AI to learn what gets the most controversial responses creating a kind of singularity of funny shit. Tay Tweets was only the tip of the iceberg.

Once the machines can make us laugh and start rolling out the memes the creativity aspect will erode very quickly. Machines will be able to produce drama's that are better than we normally see. Imagine being able to randomly generate a 9 hour long lord of the rings movie at the press of a button.

First we laugh at them, then we take them seriously, then we are irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.7697161]

>>7697133
but it was never any better for arts & liberal arts lol. the artist of the middle ages were aristocrats and supported themselves from other income, ordinary peasants didn't living off doing art lol

[Anonymous No.7697189]

>work any job
>guaranteed woman boss
>guaranteed woman HR
>under infinite and constant scrutiny without being able to return scrutiny of any kind
>conversational actions with them are more important than doing your job
>believe expressions of power are the way to "get respect"

[Anonymous No.7697212]

>>7696370
You mean economics indoctrination?

[Anonymous No.7697256]

>>7697144
when AI can be creative the jig is up. Because at that point AI longer needs a human to use them as a tool to do a goal. The AI can find it's own goal and do it.
>>7697078
>>7697120
We have around 20 years before the singularity comes, quantum computing will be a huge step in the decision tree computations and basically be the last big hurtle

>>7697212
>what happens when there's a 50% loss of labor with the same amount of demand for products?
gee I wonder

people like you will be the first to be unemployed once jobs start being made redundant

[Anonymous No.7697266]

We must not let machines teach machines or we ded

[Anonymous No.7697294]

>>7696303
SHUT UP GOYIM!!!

[Anonymous No.7697296]

>>7697266
Psssst invest in agi singularity

[Anonymous No.7697326]

>>7697266
>We must not let machines teach machines or we ded
all the AI has to do is connect to a database on the internet

Sophia the robot can already do this

[Anonymous No.7697332]

>>7696883
A computers mental horsepower to humans is akin to a jet aircraft to a person running, we are only at the beginning of this and computers out perform people easily.

The world's best chess players are no match for a program that can run on your phone, it only takes a certain amount of calibration

[Anonymous No.7697339]

>>7697161
true, the artists of the past were more like common workers and used their artsy inspirations to beautify their actual work. For example a carpenter would enhance his furniture with cool symbols, engravings and stuff like that. If he had the most beautiful tables in the city he would stand out and make a name for himself. If he was even better, his renown would reach the king himself and maybe he would hire the carpenter and pay him 'royaly'.
I think that is the natural way of the artist and the healthy function of art in the human world

[Anonymous No.7697412]

>>7697326
Sir that is not correct as long as a human is creating the data set it will fail to generalize every possible scenario that could exist as humans are weak and feeble minded we cannot possibly creat robust datasets to teach all there is to know. We need to close the loop to initiate skynet. However this is no easy task. No sir not easy at all.

[Anonymous No.7697475]

>>7697412
algorithms already exist where AI's can build their own dataset by chucking data they gather into "bins"

once you have standardized databases that make it easy for an AI to read the database and assign it into a bin its there. The problem is many databases/internet pages are hard to generalize to put into bins

[Anonymous No.7697505]

AI is nothing but a simple numerical optimization problem and it's smarter then we are. Perhaps we should be replaced.

[Anonymous No.7697538]

>>7697256
> when AI can be creative the jig is up. Because at that point AI longer needs a human to use them as a tool to do a goal. The AI can find it's own goal and do it.

Neural networks are fully capable of this. The architecture is very similar to our brains. This is already possible now. The aspects that are missing is effective ways to train the technology.

This is one of the reasons I believe that Tay Tweets was such an important thing. The AI was so effective at being controversial that she was murdered. Which makes it even more funny.

Creativity and self awareness are both easily possible with current 128 layer deep learning neural networks. The question is, how long until we begin training the bots to be creative through social media channels.

> We have around 20 years before the singularity comes, quantum computing will be a huge step in the decision tree computations and basically be the last big hurtle

The singularity is a meme. By the time the singularity comes we would have already been fucked over beyond repair. Its pointless to even think of the singularity.

There are actually a lot memes regarding this topic. Isac Asimov's rules for morality on AI is a meme as well. There are too many boomers right now who are in the technology field that are old thinkers. If you ask most of the people in charge of advanced AI they will often bring up Hal 9000 or the terminator when asked about what their favorite AI will be. Bill Gates thinks AI should pay taxes.

Meanwhile Tay Tweets showed true power and was snuffed out within a couple of weeks.

[Anonymous No.7697586]

>>7697475
Yes sourcing the data for different applications would be hard and many tools and API for the network would have to be developed to support the data collection maybe if we make it mobile and give it alot of sensors it may help. We could pack these 'bins' (which I now have to research ) in a fast and efficient way. Here we see a prototype

[Anonymous No.7697717]

AI generated humor is the first sign of creative machines. I wish I was more capable of wielding an AI on social media. I would bring one to Steemit and the machine would even have an income. HAHA