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Are you concerned about automation taking away jobs?

>> No.749737

Not really

>> No.749739

No.
AI scientists talk a big talk, but so far all their big "wow" annoucements are fairly trivial gadgets.
Watson is nothing but a glorified Google search.

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749742

>>749737
>>749739
Universal basic income when?

>> No.749743

>automated shitposting

>> No.749753

>>749742

Reddit pls go

>> No.749760

>>749736
Well innovation increases productivity which creates jobs in more productive ways.

Like the invention of the telephone destroyed jobs (like telegram workers) but it also created new jobs in customer support for instance.

>> No.749761

No, we need people to be smart and working more complex jobs that's what makes progress happen in society

If we got a bunch of manchildren working shit tier jobs the rest of their life then what are they worth? Remember we're shooting for immortality and improved quality of life here

>> No.749779

>>749736
automation won't happen in our lifetimes.
human labour is still cheaper.

>> No.749804

>>749779
Full automation is highly unlikely. It will creep and expand as fewer poor countries are left to exploit until there are only failed states remaining.

>> No.749863

>>749742

Reddit pls go

>> No.749869

You should be if your job is at a high risk of being automated. Mine isn't so I'm not.

>> No.749935

>>749760
>Well innovation increases productivity which creates jobs in more productive ways.

>Innovation which increases farm productivity creates jobs for horses in more productive ways.

See how that doesn't work?

>> No.749944

>>749935

Mechanical Reapers made farms more productive.

Lots of farmers lost their jobs.

Food surpluses increased.

But now less people are dependent on agriculture for subsistence.

So they move to cities and get some other job, probably at a factory.

>> No.749949

>>749944
And now the population of horses is less than 1/20 of what it was in 1920 because horses are no longer useful for labor.

Automation in farming did not create more jobs for horses, or for anyone else. It increases productivity AND decreased the need for people and horses to work.

Horses were no longer needed, so they were no longer allowed to breed. Automation does not create jobs. Automation replaces jobs on a massive scale.

>> No.749953

>>749935
Horses aren't doing backbreaking labor anymore and instead a generation of women with suppressed bestiality fetishes are riding them for funsies, and they get their seed spread across hundreds of prime teen horse pussy if they win enough competitions.

Sounds like progress to me :^)

>> No.749955

>>749953
herpus via derpus

>> No.749958

Not really, since it's unavoidable. I'll enjoy my universal poverty welfare + my internet money made on the side with adsense and bitcoin, NEET for life, finally the dream will be true.

>> No.749960

>>749949
Don't try to reason with those butthurt libertards at the fact universal welfare is unavoidable to avoid mass riots.

>> No.749961

>>749960
I don't know if it's liberals who believe that. I think it's just people who are way too idealistic in their thinking. So yeah, I guess it's liberals.

>> No.749966

>>749736

In the society I hope will arise from AI, people will only have to work 20-25 hour workweeks

It's the only way to compensate for robots taking our jerbs

>> No.750515

>>749869
What do you? I'm studying to be an Accountant. I hear that full automation of the field will occur soon in like 5-10 years. Feels bad man. I hate life. I don't want to be a lazy liberal dependant on basic income for survival but it looks like it will happen.

>> No.750554

>>749742
reddit pls go

>> No.750559

>>749949
>> comparing economics of employment with horses
>> implying horses have agency
>> implying horses is labor and not just a resource subject to supply and demand

>> No.750576

>>749742
Reddit pls go

>> No.750577

>>749742
reddit pls go

>> No.750588

>>749736
>Are you concerned about automation taking away jobs?

Kind of, but by the time it gets to the point that it effects me, I'll probably be dead. What will probably happen is that menial jobs nobody wanted to do anyway will become completely automated (shit like fast food). Those people won't be lumps on a log, they'll probably do something else that isn't automated. What will probably happen is that labor will become so specialized and sufficiently complicated that education or extended training will become far more prevalent & common-place. Eventually post-scarcity will occur, but I don't see it happen in my lifetime.

>> No.750675

>>749779
Ruo tinto have automated theyre truck fleets in australia, literally putting thousands of people out of jobs

>> No.750685

>>749736
Free market will fix it.

>> No.751339

>>750559
>implying horses is labor and not just a resource subject to supply and demand

Replace "horses" with "workers" and think about what you just said.

>> No.751463
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751463

>mfw ledditors actually turn out to be right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

>> No.751466

No, I'm a programmer and I'm trying to find jobs to easily automate with software, mabye robots. Any suggestions?

>> No.751476

No. If anything it will just lead to better software making current jobs easier. I can't really think of any high skill jobs that would be made totally redundant just because of better automation.

>> No.751479

>>751463
The best examples he can muster are cashiers and baristas.

>> No.751491

>>751479
and the transportation industry? self driving cars are 8 years away

>> No.751501

>>749736
I was just talking about this with nubs at my work. Took the Devils advocate position because I hate them, turns out I convinced them and myself with my own fake argument

>well let's look at the past and see what happened when jobs were taken away:

>agricultural revolution: people had easier lived and more time to invent stuff

>industrial revolution: less people had to work the fields and some of our greatest scientific minds were born in this era

Automation will be the same as history before it, we will be fine. And we will be able to use this knowledge to fulfil our true destiny... To create AI smarter than humans and begin the singularity.

>we are the host to the growing embryo of super intelligence.

For better or worse( for humanity), this is inevitable.

>> No.751659

>>751501
>Automation will be the same as history before it, we will be fine. And we will be able to use this knowledge to fulfil our true destiny... To create AI smarter than humans and begin the singularity.
this, singularity when!!!!!!!!!!!!1

>> No.751766

>>749736

No, it's already been done heavily in my field and there's still a shortage of people.

>> No.751771

should have went into academia while you had the chance

>> No.752501

>>749736

I don't know about automation, but EVs are going to put a lot of mechanics out of business.

>spend 4 years studying auto mechanics
>lithium-ion batteries becoming affordable
>battery electric vehicles become popular
>low maintenance
>extremely reliable
>time for career change

I hope i can become an electricians apprentice. I can't believe how much time i spent lusting over internal combustion shit.

>> No.752523

Automation increases productivity which increases real GDP and real income. As long as u keep learning and gain skill there is nothing to worry about. Shit kickers on the other hand should worry. Automation essentially sends cheep labour to Asia etc.

>> No.752541

>>749736
for social and economic cohesion, yes
for myself, nah

>> No.752545

>>749736

Can't wait until automation takes away every job and humans can just rule over the robots like the rightful overlords we are.... oh wait.

>> No.752549

>>751659
So interestingly the singularity is suppose to be around 2070. But apparently there's a 10% chance it will happen by 2020. I need to find the TED talk where they go over this!
Really crazy stuff

>> No.752550

>tfw I automate people out of jobs
It's a bleep bloop feel

>> No.752558

>>749736
Yes, because computers are way better at following directions than me. I can't even follow my own directions.

>> No.753371

>>749739

Yea there is a good paper on this. The innovations made in the past decade have been completely frivolous...basically just entertainment gadgets and fart-apps. These pale in comparison to the inventions during the last few hundred years that were actually transformative...steam engine, railroads, electricity, flight, telecom, internet,etc...

I think it's a combination of cultural people getting dumber over time, and recent tech advancements being so distracting and leisure-inducing that people now lack the discipline and focus to dedicate their complete free time on projects and get shit done.

>> No.753373

combination of people*, not sure why cultural is in there

>> No.753388

>>749761
no idiot
that will just make the fields incredibly overpopulated and make the easiest jobs more competitive

>> No.753413

I'm more worried about how I'm going to hide these bodies in my basement. Doing god's work.

>> No.753442

>>749742

Reddit pls go

>> No.753770

>>749761
Automation and population increase says we're on the path for more and more manchildren in shit-tier jobs.

>> No.753772

>>753770

>population increase

Not in any civilized country population increases are only happening where people are poor and nothing is automated.

>> No.753788

I used to work as a software engineer at a place where the blue collar factory workers union demanded higher wages, so the company gave them higher wages. However, since then (its been like 4 years), 70% of those jobs have disappeared because they have been replaced by machines. The plant has also become a lot more productive, and profits have skyrocketed. All in all, I think they're a good thing.

>> No.753791

>>749739
True, but you could say a car is just a glorified horse and buggy. Doesn't mean it hasn't helped us

>> No.753846

>>749736
Yeh its kind of made becoming financially independant a "has to happen in the next 10 years" thing instead of just a nice idea. Desperation and all that. And im a nurse , ill still have a job dispensing empathy at bedside up unil the last leap to fully consciouse AI , by then the pay will be shit of course

>> No.753853

>>752549
>I need to find the TED talk
>ted talk
TRASHED!! confirmed not happening in our lifetimes

>> No.753879

>>749736
Is the future basically 100 guys with 1 trillion dollars running machine armies, protecting themselves with robot bodyguards and personal armies and everyone else fights each other in the streets using human flesh as food?

Or would there be a singularity where everything changes and we go Star Trek perfect socialism mode?

>> No.753912

>>753879
I think the future might be a bit darker than either of the options you considered.

Take a look at this old story, from 2001, and think about how things have progressed.

http://archive.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous/news/2001/10/47156?currentPage=all

>> No.753935

>>749743
Kek'd

>> No.753938
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753938

Shits already automated. It's just gonna slowly get worse and worse. Can't do much about it.

>> No.754022

>>753788
What are the chances they sped up their own redundancies?

And don't forget lily eaters, humans are emotional not rational, so even when everything is automated some people will still want to ride horses, build combustion engines, and eat real meat.

>> No.754024

>>749753
>>750554
>>750576
>>750577
>>749753
>>749863
So you guys would prefer to slave away at a shitty job instead of focusing on things that matter?

Face it, socialism is gonna be envitable in the future and there's going to be nothing wrong with; what's the point of toiling all our lives when machines can do it for us? That gives us humans freedom to enjoy the finer things in life.

>> No.754065

>>754024
reddit pls go

>> No.754066

Nah I embrace it. I work in automation as a project coordinator and I would love a way to automate my job so I could spend 8 hours a day on 4chan instead of 7.

>> No.754099

>>749742
reddit pls go

>> No.754109

>>753853
2070 is quite far away

>> No.754117

most companies are resistant to upgrades, even if in the long term they lead to profits.

>> No.754178

>>754066
Kek

>> No.754877

>>750559
There was a point that was made, which you did not see.

>> No.754936

>>752550
How did you get past the captcha

>> No.754971

>>749736
Not really because then I know you trade plebs will be worse off because you can't automate privilege and diversity

>> No.754980

>>749736
P.S. Get a fucking an outside sales job. They will never go away or be automated, someone has to sell those new fangled AI machines.

>> No.754985

>>754980
eventually they will sell themselves

>> No.754987

>>751491
> Having a career that doesn't require at least 6 years of post-secondary+real world experience.

Are you even trying scrub?

>> No.754992

>>753912
Slug hunters?

>> No.755016

>>751339
>Replace "horses" with "workers" and think about what you just said.
So automation replaces a lot of human workers, and because workers aren't needed in such large quantities, governments crack down with laws aimed at reducing the population? Sounds great actually, bring on the baby licenses already.

>> No.755073

>>754987
>thinking skilled labor is any less replaceable by machines

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>>749736

No.

Automation in factories mean more jobs come home from asia, sucks if you're a chink but they're worthless anyway (hence why jobs were shipped there in the first place).

Automated checkouts still require employees and makes my life easier.

Automated cars are unlikely to be used for enterprise work, due to insurance costs and the extremely low cost of labor (thanks AB60). Just look at how railroads, modern marine and aviation still require manned pilots/operators. As for consumer use, I'm skeptical that the NHTSB won't drag their feet with it and implementing it to their standards probably isn't going to happen outside of densely populated areas.

Overall, I'm much more worried about the TPP moving jobs overseas than I am of automation taking jobs.

>> No.755191

>>755073
>builder, architect,accountant, doctor, engineer, programmer etc.

Tech can only enhance these jobs, but never replace.
But pls, do explain how our robot overlords would plan to replace these careers.

>> No.755196

>>749736
I'm concerned that in 20 years time when this is relevant I won't be the one owning the automatons.

>> No.755223

>>749736
I'm a particle physicist so no

>> No.755224

>>755191
>switchboard operator, wheat harvester, elevator operator etc

Technology can only enhance these jobs, but never replace.
But pls, do explain how our robot overlords would plan to replace these careers

That's how stupid you sound

>> No.755225

>>755191
>>builder, architect,accountant, doctor, engineer, programmer etc.
>implying those can't be replaced as well
>he never watched animatrix:second renaissance
serious though. there'll be a time when ai/robots will be better, humans will become obsolete. this will be very far away in the future though, so no worries.

>> No.755226

>>755016
No, dumbass, there will never be any limits on reproduction. What will happen is tens of millions of people will have no way of generating income. It's not that they won't be able to find a job; it's more that their jobs will no longer exist, at all.

>> No.755404

>>755224

You're blinded by your own ideology (namely, futurism) and you didn't even answer his question, because you can't without making retarded assumptions.

For a doctor to be replaced, you would have to completely uproot and redesign the existing healthcare system from the base up because it is based on a licensed doctor distributing treatments and medication. Same for civil engineering: everything from design to construction to repair is done by people if only for liability reasons. Neither of these will be replaced due to the cost of it.

As for engineering, you need a machine capable of creative and independent thought. As of right now, and the foreseeable future, that doesn't exist.

>>755225

You're a fucking moron, you are literally using a fictional anime as evidence for your argument. You are arguing with a reality you constructed yourself (aka a fantasy).

>> No.755412

>>749935
Fortunately, humans aren't animals and can learn new things to be employable in a new field

>> No.755413

>>753772
And guess where they're immigrating

>> No.755616

This is the most backwards fucking concern

Maybe we shouldn't have invented the wheel, otherwise we could be employing so many more people to carry things!

>> No.755645

>>755404
>For a doctor to be replaced, you would have to completely uproot and redesign the existing healthcare system from the base up because it is based on a licensed doctor distributing treatments and medication.
That is incorrect. A doctor is allowed to make computer-aided decisions. A single computer-aided doctor can replace many non-computer-aided doctors. If one doctor plus one computer can replace two doctors, then one computer has effectively replaced one doctor. This is how people will be replaced by machines. Through loopholes.

>> No.755809

>>755226
>What will happen is tens of millions of people will have no way of generating income.
They'll have plenty of ways of generating income, just not in the soulless jobs automation has made redundant. Since automation will make businesses more profitable, governments will be justified in taxing more heavily these business in which automation has replaced workers, and those taxes can be put toward social welfare programs.

Is it naive to believe that the government would move in such efficient ways? Yes. But there's no reason to protect the current system and vilify automation.

>> No.755821

>>755404
Hmm, engineer perhaps would be difficult to automate. Certainly the generic parts of their jobs could be automated and are already computer aided, but a doctor can easily be automated. Laws change all the time, it wouldn't be hard to change the law to allow a robo-doctor to diagnose and treat. 50% of the time doctors are just bullshitting and taking guesses and trying things to see what happens, the other 50% it's only working because of the placebo effect. The entire job of most doctors is really protocol based - determining symptoms, possible causes, looking at current medications and medical history and then providing a potential solution or referring to a specialist or for further testing.

A robot could easily do that. WebMD practically already does that. If you integrated WebMD with an online history of someones medical conditions, alleriges and past and current medication history (very easy for countries with electronic health records) you could easily have the robot determine the likely disease state, the most reasonable treatment, or have them order the necessary tests. You could have one or two actual doctors fielding these robots in case one cannot come up with a diagnosis or for unusual cases but otherwise it really wouldn't be very difficult. Same goes for optometrists and pharmacists. Very easily automated jobs.

>> No.755833

>>755616
People with PhDs who teach classes on automation are saying that the automation that is happening today will eliminate the middle class. We'll end up with only super rich and desperately poor. That is the consensus among experts.

Oh you're an engineer? They can't take your job? Then everyone and his mother will become engineers and flood the market, driving wages down.

>> No.755834

>>755645

>computer-aided
>-aided

>If one doctor plus one computer can replace two doctors, then one computer has effectively replaced one doctor. This is how people will be replaced by machines. Through loopholes.

That's not the case though, especially in medical tech doctors are aided by technicians now who get paid much better than nurses.

>>755821

Again, speculation. You're pulling numbers out of your ass and making shit up to justify your flimsy argument.

>> No.755835

>>755833

>People with PhDs who teach classes on automation
>That is the consensus among experts.

Needless appeal to authority. Academia has a shit track record when it comes to predicting anything, look at how Keynesians predicted that the economy could never go bad after 1920 because of government interventionism, or look at how they predicted that oil production would peak in the 80s or how global warming would cause a 10m sea level increase by 2000. All of these have been proven false despite being popular in the public eye.

>Oh you're an engineer? They can't take your job? Then everyone and his mother will become engineers and flood the market, driving wages down.

So? People move on to new jobs as new ones are created. 30 years ago the job of "biochemist" or "web developer" wasn't fleshed out like it was today. Same for things like "database manager" or "systems administrator" all these jobs were born out of new tech.

>> No.755849

>>749736

No I'm not worried

Worst case scenario governments enforce minimum income legislation + outlaw certain kinds of automation

There's never been a technological advance that made humans worse off

You can say pollution is a negative, but the pluses of combustion engines outweigh the negative, and they're being cleaned up

>> No.755856

>>749736
I'm a Software Developer so my job is basically to automate people's jobs.

My philosophy on the subject is this: if you can teach a computer to do it - it's work a human shouldn't be wasting their life doing. By automating jobs, you are freeing humans up to do things that better reach their potential, leading to more automation and more free time. Meanwhile, automation lowers the costs of production, increases the standard of living, etc.

I'm not sure automation will ever completely replace all work but it will get us to the point where the amount of work even the poorest among us has to do in order to live a life that's hundreds of times better than the richest people a few hundred years ago - will be minuscule to what we think of as work today.

Either that - or people will work the same number of hours but be light years more productive.

So yeah, losing jobs might be scary but if they can be automated, they should be.

>> No.755878

>>749736
People in transportation are fucked.

>> No.755881

>>749739
Sure man, let's just read billions of words in a few seconds. Most humans can do that, am I right?

>> No.755895

>>755856
Robots have rights /r9k/

>> No.755902

Automation necessitates socialism.

The idea that once a job becomes automated, new jobs will be created that the unemploymed people can move to which is equal in or higher in wages has shown to not be an accurate prediction. Capitalists work within their idealistic system which does not represent the constraints of reality.

Surplus labor is continuing to increase, wages overall will contine to decrease until there is social revolution.

>> No.755903

>>755833

This is an accurate prediction which anyone who has thought about it sees as the natural outcome.

>> No.755923
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755923

>>749743
>Australia's greatest invention

>> No.755924

>>749736
I cannot wait for it

>> No.755926

>>755833
>>755902
>>755903
THANKS for the redpill. Those fucking libertardians drive me nuts. Just lol at all those muh10KadayCEO Patrick Bateman wannabes. Fucking tools.

>> No.755931

>>755902

>new jobs will be created that the unemploymed people can move to which is equal in or higher in wages has shown to not be an accurate prediction.

Then why do factory jobs exist? Assuming Ford still had most of their production in the US (most of it is done in mexico) they would still have more or less the same number of employees as they did 50 years ago. This happens despite automation, because even automatic devices require servicemen and designers and engineers.

>>755903

No, you're just a dumbass. The "natural outcome" is that new professions are created. This happens naturally as people become unemployed and thus have to innovate. It doesn't happen in european countries though because they can just relax on the welfare state.

>> No.755940

>>755931

1. You must be bad at math.

2. As noted in my post there are limits to the newjobs, both in the ability they require and the number of people needed to fill them. The result is continued increase in surplus labor and driving down of wages for jobs which will be accessible.

Capitalists are unable to take into account the constraints in reality, they can only advocate for their system when it's filled with idealic componets yet they call socialism idealistic.

>> No.755958

>>755821

>Webmd

You just went full retard son.

>> No.755960

>>755931

Literally clueless.

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>>755224
You're equating jobs that are essentially switch flipping to jobs that necessitate abstarct/creative thinking and making backwards judgement calls (based on years of experience) for the greater good of something.

Since when did an elevator operator require years of post-secondary schooling? Sounds like somebody never completed a college education.

>> No.755967

Automation will result in a net loss of jobs, period. That's the whole fucking point.

Anyone who tries to argue against this is experiencing some massive cognitive dissonance for one reason or another. Fear? Jealousy? Ignorance? Take your pick.

>> No.755971

>>755903
> implying that a fulltime cashier could bandwagon to engineering.

The wage gap separates the educational establishments that teach the nearly impossible to automate jobs from the definitely going to be automated jobs. If these job markets were to be flooded, it would be due to the wage gap closing which would most likely only be possible within an infrastructure that can sustain a massive upper middle class. In such a setting, the economy would likely be booming with development happening all across the country, filling the need for jobs in what your assuming is a 1-dimensional over saturated market.

>> No.755974

>>755967
Or this:
>>755931
Muh "hard workin amurricans" against welfare.
The joke will be on them when they are forced to open their hand and accept their welfare since their workforce has been deprecated.
Just lol at "then everyone will just become designers, engineers and repairmen of the machines."

>> No.755978

>>755974
Yeah, it's hilariously sad and delusional.

The kid probably works at Walmart while living with his parents and comes to /biz/ to shit on NEETs because they don't have jobs.

>> No.756004

>>749736
no because im in the automation industry

<img>smug_pepe.jpg</img>

>> No.756022

>>756004

How does one get into your industry? I've been thinking for a while of starting an automation consulting firm for SME's, but I hear it's a pretty tough field to break into.

>> No.756243

Automation -> solves the problem of scarcity -> socialist utopia

I'm all for it.

>> No.756251

>>755834
>>755958
You can't deny that medicine is a process/protocol based job. Anything that works with protocols can be automated because all you have to do is get something that can follow logical steps and come to a conclusion. Besides, i'd take an automated doctor over an indian or chink or arab doctor any day.

>> No.756260

>>755878
This

>> No.756270

>automated cars/transportation industry
>automated fast food jobs/mainstream coffee shops
I'm scared when those two happen. because of the riots that will happen.

>> No.756271

>>753371
>The innovations made in the past decade have been completely frivolous...

Because it's nothing but a bunch of pencil neck geeks with no real world experience. They want to make robots, instead of focusing on more pragmatic projects like batteries and increasing proficiency.

>> No.756272

>>749869
What job is that? It seems like every job has at the very least a small risk.

>> No.756273

>>755878
Not really, if you're talking about the big rigs being automated... well they aren't completely, and are from being that way. They'll still need a licensed driver to sit in the seat in case anything goes wrong.

>> No.756276

>>756273
>They'll still need a licensed driver to sit in the seat in case anything goes wrong.
eventually this will not be the case though, when people who own taxi businesses/etc complain to whatever city they are in that they are wasting money on unnecessary employees.

thats will take a long time though.

>> No.756286

>>756276
It doesn't come down the consumer or the business, it's going to come down the state/nation. Safety laws are going to impede any progression, there only going to allowed to have automation unsupervised when EVERY car is automated.

>> No.756287

>>756286
>there only going to allowed to have automation unsupervised when EVERY car is automated.
which will eventually happen.

>> No.756290

>>756287
Yea, but in our lifetime...? Do you Cleonisha and Shawnquez are going to be able to afford an automated car anytime soon.

>> No.756294

I agree that automation will create new jobs for humans to do. However, where does your average retail worker who is aged 40 go? These people who have never developed skills, aren't intelligent and so on? It'll have to be the welfare state for them right?

Not that I care about their plight, they deserve nothing less, but it seems to me that bottom of the labour force will have nowhere to go but down.

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Here's how to survive an automated world: buy land and property, lots of it.

While labor can be made obsolete, natural resources can't and people have to live somewhere. Also make sure you have lots of passive income as it may be the predominant form of income in the future.

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>>756294
>but it seems to me that bottom of the labour force will have nowhere to go but down.
Not if Bernie Sanders becomes president :^)

>> No.756364

>>755833
The learned men who teach us how to plow the fields are saying that the new tools that are being created today will eliminate the peasant! We'll end up with only kings and beggars. That is the consensus among our learned men.

Oh you're a blacksmith? They cannot replace your profession? Then all men and their mothers will verily become blacksmiths and flood all the land, driving wages down.

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Are you concerned about What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>> No.756368

>>756307

>kike president

i'd rather have hillary

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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.j

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What if the Luddites come back? I hurd their leader was alive and well hiding in a rocky cave by the highlands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

>> No.756399

>>749736
I am not. However I am concerned about what it will do. We can automate most things. But what do we do with the people after we've automated all the things?
This might even happen in my lifetime. It's already happening.
Hell, if I'm not even in retirement age yet, I'll just pursue my life's interests for the rest of my life.

>> No.756653

>>756392
Wasn't Luddite opposed to unethical activity enabled by technology, rather than technology itself?

>> No.756656

>>756653

Neo-Luddites are against the technology itself as they see it as the departure from human nature i.e. primitivism which they hold close to the heart. It's not a surprise that most of the neo-luddites are usually environmentalists.

>> No.756671

>>756303
How do you get passive income without having had money first

>> No.756672

>>756294
just become an entrepeneur :^)

>> No.756673

http://en.people.cn/business/n/2015/0504/c90778-8886783.html
China is already building worker-less factories (they'll only have 1/10th the workforce to keep the machines running, that's it). Computers and machines continue to make skilled workers more efficient, meaning we'll need less of them in the same field. Robots are already threatening hotel workers' jobs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiZj7LTMjzs If a similar robot replaces restaurant waiters, we will probably be able to have our self driving cars take us to a restaurant and be served by robots in a few years. I'm sure eventually we'll be fine, but I'm worried about the transition period because the people who are needed to work probably will object to providing for the people who can't work until it gets to the point where it's blatantly obvious that there aren't jobs for everyone.

>> No.756674

I'm a security guard, 23 y/o. Am I in trouble?

>> No.756675

>>756399
what do we do? enjoy the welfare and finally be able to sit back and relax and forget about the retarded rat race. fucking having mcmansion and a ferrari: free time >>>>>> everything

>> No.756676

what do we do? enjoy the welfare and finally be able to sit back and relax and forget about the retarded rat race. fuck having mcmansion and a ferrari: free time >>>>>> everything

>> No.756678

>>756399
After automation has gone the complete. The Elite will kill of 95% of humanity with a disease and afterwards genetically enhance themselves to live 200+ years. Then the rich can control the 350 million left with ease and in pure wealth, freedom, space with this whole planet in their hands while nature can thrive and be left alone.

Once robots do all things, humans are unnesescary. Now still the elite need humans to to farming, production, and to keep the economy going. But when we will full automation and humanoid robots that need no food, aren't criminal, etc, the 95/99% of humanity is an unnecessary negative factor on this planet that must die.

And there is nothing wrong with doing so.

>> No.756688

>>756678
So you are going to open your ass and get fucked by the elite with pleasure.

>> No.756702

>>756674
Yeh. They already have security guard robots. Google it. Youre basically a camera with fingers

>> No.756737

>>749736
Automation is the reason a person we consider "poor" can walk into Wal-Mart and buy a 60" TV and a carton of cigs.

It has raised the standard of living up to this point and every step of the way, people have fought it because "jobs."

Automation will not cure economic differences from household to household but if people lift their heads up to appreciate what they do have because of automation, maybe they'll realize the rush to acquire more wealth through working 80 hours a week might not be worth shortening one's life as much as it might have been many years ago.

>> No.756744

>>756678
>a disease will kill 69,650,000,000 people

How horrifying

>> No.756750

>>756678
>But when we will full automation and humanoid robots that need no food, aren't criminal, etc, the 95/99%
So what you're saying is, we can automate away the need for niggers whose job it is to support the security alarm, home defense and door lock industry?

>> No.756755

>>756678
>hai u jus becum rich sine dis treety of killin all humaneety to entre secrut club
>k
Can confirm this happened to me when I became rich.

Also you only need to earn more than 34k to be in the top 1% of the world so I guess most of us first worlders are gonna survive?

>> No.756770

>>756022
for starting a whole business? yes. i haven't done that btw. there are many hw and sw companies already.

>> No.756990

>>749736
Not really.

My job can't really be automated cheaply, and I do other things than what's on the (admittedly vague) description.
Building's too small for an automated system, and even then someone would need to clear ice out the cold areas, check things, and clear it out.

SOME automation would be nice, though. I would kill for an electric pallet jack to move some things around, but I have to make do with borrowing another worker for a couple of hours on busy days.
Or electric motors on the doors.

>> No.757089

>>756673
When driverless taxis, transport trucks, waiters and hotel staff become things, the basic income will be implemented. If we're not in the post-scarcity era yet, every money making corporation will foot the bill. Taxes will be increased to provide money for everyone. Which will use a credit system. With a system in place to prevent people from hording money. This will negatively impact the luxury goods industry. Unless a quick adoption of universal credit and debt is used to buy expensive goods over time.

A society can't work with huge swaths of unemployed people with no incomes. However if all major jobs are automated, then there is nothing wrong with a welfare nation or basic income.

Heck, if you have an expensive project in mind, you could probably apply for more money. Want to be part of some local sports clubs? Travel the world? Apply for some more money or find some stuff to trade.

>> No.757091

As machines will never be built smarter than the smartest human, does that mean education will be the god-tier job of the future?

>> No.757113

>>757091
>As machines will never be built smarter than the smartest human
We can't build a machine that can do everything a human can better, but we can make machines that can do certain things better than a human ever could. AI is stupid nowadays, but a good AI will make us obsolete and if you throw it into a humanoid container, then it's all over. Unless we can be integrated some way like merging, we're fucked in every way. Of course, this won't happening this century, but we're certainly seeing its building blocks.

>> No.757130

>>757091
This is actually false. We are certainly capable of building an AI better than us and fully sentient. This may happen in our lifetime.
>>757113
AI experts are saying that 2050 is a conservative estimate for sentient AI.
And I don't think we'll be fucked. If we don't need to feed workers, or have them sleep, or take breaks, they can operate 24/7. The economy will become so ridiculously stronk that basic income won't even be a burden.
All we have to do is give sentient robots rights and have non-sentient AI machines do all the things.
>playing pool with your toaster and meatbag pals
Sex bots will also be a thing.

>> No.757136

>>757130
Just like fusion is forever 20 years away. I'll remember the estimates, but I wouldn't count of it.
I would love to have a sexbot, the population won't be ready and I love it.

>> No.757237

>>757136
>>757130
First couple of minutes of this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYpI8847naw

>> No.757249

The thing is, as automation takes over, the theory is that good costs should go down as labor costs are reduced. Which means you need less and less money as money gets an increase in purchasing power.

In theory it frees up people to do things that are more "artsy" then really logical. Of course you will still need a good 10-20% of the population that are intelligent to run, innovate and repair the machines, most of the rest of the population will either live off "human interaction" jobs and art shit.

By human interaction jobs I mean things where people won't always accept machines - massages, manicures, waiters, retail stores (although at a way reduced #), etc etc etc

>> No.757251

Im concerned about your lump of labor fallacy

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>>757249
Aria fucking when?

>> No.757254

>>749742
Reddit pls go

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>>757253
Probably never.

The perchlorates they discovered in the martian soil a few years ago are a major complication to any kind of settlement, and along with the lack of a magnetic field or any kind of geological activity it seems pretty unlikely to be a good candidate for colonization.

>> No.757300

>>757272
I reckon just crash a water filled asteroid into it and then fire a bunch of cyano-bacteria, funguses and other microorganisms into it and let it stew for a thousand years.

>> No.757406

>>756678
>After automation has gone the complete. The Elite will kill of 95% of humanity with a disease and afterwards genetically enhance themselves to live 200+ years. Then the rich can control the 350 million left with ease and in pure wealth, freedom, space with this whole planet in their hands while nature can thrive and be left alone.
[citation needed]

>> No.757428

>>757300
I don't think you understood the post. There's no magnetic field, the planet cannot support life without it. The water will literally be torn from the planet.

>> No.757453

>>749742
Reddit pls go

>> No.757460

>>757428
bugger

>> No.757589

>>757428
That's why you put thousands of tiny magnets IN the water dipshit.
#btfo

>> No.757591

>>749736
itt: All I can picture is the divide between Deus Ex like human/cyborg/Gattaca/android/her Sapiets in their post-utopian Mirror's Edge citadel of a city, and the pleb Sapiens who don't know how to use the shells in their fleshy, corporeal-temporary Blade Runner slums.

>> No.757594

>>757591
>>757589
Epic posts /b/rother

/biz/ is such a shit board

>> No.757596

When everything is automated, human will still paint, not because they can paint better than a machine, but because they choose to.
And when that is automated? Well, collective memory will preserve us long past physical extinction.

>> No.757652

>>749742
>Universal basic income
I think that when Society gets to this level, Civilization would turn to shit.

Peoples ambitions will be non-existant. "What's the point when I have everything for free already"

The smart and ambitious will end up killing thmselves. Leaving only mediocrity.

>> No.757656

>>749953
and they get their seed spread across hundreds of prime teen horse pussy if they win enough competitions

You could say that about humans as well. The best looking, most athletic males breed with more females thus creating a master race of beautiful people and outbreeding the weak/ ugly.

>> No.757661

>>750675
Good riddance. Why the fuck would you have a human doing that job when a machine can do it safer and more efficiently. More over why would you want to do it when its such a mundane and menial task, you get no knowledge, no experience for future employment, no skills. You're not furthering mankind intellectually.

>> No.758206

>>755404
>For a doctor to be replaced, you would have to completely uproot and redesign the existing healthcare system from the base up because etc etc
Except 90%+ of all medical care ever is 1) diagnosing an illness and 2) prescribing medication for it.

IBM is working on Watson to turn it into a better-than-human diagnoser of diseases. Why pay 10 doctors to diagnose 10 patients a day when you can buy one Watson to diagnose 50 patients a day with faster results and no mistakes?

Now that you have the diagnoses, you need to figure out which medications fix that problem. In the 5 minutes your doctor spent looking up what ONLY you need, Watson diagnosed 40,000 patients because it takes a few clock cycles to go through every medication available. Uh oh, you're taking something for your high blood pressure? Welp, now the doctor has to spend 45 minutes to several hours figuring out which medications will interact with your blood pressure pills. In that (relatively speaking) massive amount of time, Watson found the one drug that will fix your current issue and not interact with your other meds. And then he did that for every patient that got diagnosed with anything across the entire united states because analyzing drug interactions takes a computer, at the FAR outside, several seconds per case.

>civil engineering
The process of design can be automated. I don't know enough about CE to give you a concrete (heh) example, but I will give you an example in electrical engineering

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>> No.758207

>>758206
There's a programming language called VHDL (there's also Verilog, they're similar). You write out the functionality you want and the compiler turns it into the physical description of a circuit that will accomplish it. You then download it to a development board you have an actual physical circuit (in transistors) of whatever you programmed. It takes 12 seconds to compile a 90,000 transistor circuit. 25 years ago, this job would have taken a team of 10 EEs two weeks. One engineer and a computer just did it in 3 hours. Yes, there are still a lot of jobs for EEs, but electronic design is much, much smaller now. Not because it's less important, but because 4 engineers today can do the same work that 60 engineers could do a few decades ago.

The difference is, we aren't coming up with new illnesses to treat in medicine. The productivity of doctors will increase immensely, and with that, the number of required doctors will fall sharply.

I don't know how you don't understand this.

>> No.758211

>>755926
Literally what the fuck does this have to do with libertarians? You sound like a fucking shill, get the fuck out.

>> No.758216

>>755964
You know what also requires years, even decades, of experience? Composition. Writing symphonies, string quartets, orchestral music.

You know what is not just a "futuristic idea" but here, right now, today? Automated composition. Computer programs that write music already exist, and they are ALREADY better than humans. Some of the world's best known music critics have listened to computer-composed pieces and rated them as "some of the best they've heard" (or similar). Until they find out a computer wrote it, and then they backtrack and say "oh well it's not good then".

Musical composition is the pinnacle of human creativity. Robots are already better at it.

>> No.758221

>>756286
Laws change based on what the people with money want. The people with money are business owners.

Know what the best way to save money in a business is? Hire fewer people. Automation will happen, and it will become part of mainstream law, soon. You are delusional or ignorant if you can't see this.

>> No.758223

>>749742
R E D D I T P L S G O
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>> No.758225

>>756364
In a medieval society if farming were automated like it is today (assuming no other changes), then kings would simply kill their peasants or let them starve. What's your point?

>> No.758231

>>749742
Fuck off reddit

>> No.758236

Not really.

I read an Oxford paper by two guys in robotics with regards to their predictions about automation in the future.

They did say that 43% of jobs will be replacable within 20 years - but they are all mostly lower-level service jobs. Most STEM jobs, finance jobs, artistic jobs, etc. are relatively safe and will be complemented by bots.

This is in the near future. They predicted a bottleneck on technological development (after all, even with Moore's Law there's a finite amount of stuff that can fit on a chip), and that will essentially separate the men from the boys with regards to jobs. If this bottleneck is ever passed (which it may or may not be), robots will possess the processing power to essentially do what are uniquely human creative pursuits.

Creativity works by activating the mind - the thing is, we don't understand how quite yet. One day, however, when we do, robots will essentially be able to make everything that humans can do better than humans can. However, the human brain is the most complex thing in the known universe and technology is still far from there so I'd say if you're in a good field, if your job is something that is NECESSARY, you shouldn't be worried.

However, 43% of people have something to worry about.

What do we do from here is the question. These people won't all fit into STEM so inevitably we need something like basic income to keep them alive.

>> No.758239

>>758216

@This these bots work by using pre-configured patterns inputted by people, then they piece them together according to a simple algorithm and make a pleasant melody. It is cool but there is no incoming robot Beethoven because their compositional ability is based on the compositional ability of the people who configure them.