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7478015 No.7478015 [Reply] [Original]

> Ethereum is centralized garbage that cannot scale as-is

> Ethereum is the main platform for new projects to launch

> Which projects have the best chance to overtake Ethereum as the top coin/token to launch new projects off of?

>> No.7478030

>>7478015
bcc

>> No.7478071
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>> No.7478085

>>7478015
Monero Gold

>> No.7478105

>>7478015
EOS

>> No.7478106

>>7478015

4chan hates EOS, but EOS does.

EOS is big in Silicon Valley. People are bullish.

>> No.7478128

XLM or VEN
ADA long term

These coins all process much higher transactions per second. Can launch ICO’s, more use cases, and are all seeking more university/ government/corporate partnerships.

These are the safe investments that you should hold onto for dear life. ADA a little riskier and over inflated but has potential to blow everything else out of the water

>> No.7478162
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7478162

>>7478015
ETC unironically
> limited supply
> no PoS bullshit
> Callisto side chain with cold staking (similar to NEO/GAS)

>> No.7478164

>>7478106
Too bad American's can't participate in the fucking ICO.

>> No.7478165

>>7478030
bch unironically

>> No.7478183
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>>7478015

>muh T2
Tezos, of course

>> No.7478209

>>7478015
NEO but maybe not overtake, just catch up to and keep pace with

It depends on if Ethereum network can stop shitting the bed every time some new meme game comes out

NEO can do 1000 tps right now and theoretically 10,000. They're exploring ways to bring that to 100,000 without sharding. NEO will certainly dominate the Asian market if the Chinese government works with them, and I don't see why they wouldn't since the team is making an earnest effort to fall within the regulations over there. If Ethereum can't fix scaling in a timely fashion it will be quickly replaced by faster and cheaper NEO for both dapps and ICOs

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7478230

not going to shill it but this is what you're looking for

>> No.7478259

>>7478209
I don't see a future for NEO. VEN has already got them beat. It's not about the best tech for China, it's about who has the best connections.

Also, ETH will probably finish scaling before the rest due to its powerhouse team.

>> No.7478309

>>7478259
I need to look into VEN more honestly. Care to venture a price prediction EOY?

>> No.7478340

The Ethereum killer is Ethereum.

>> No.7478373

>>7478309
Hard to tell but I'm going to say $50-$100.

I consider it to be the enterprise platform. The partnerships are unprecedented in the crypto world (PwC, DNV-GL, China)

>> No.7478389

>>7478340
*laughs spastically*

>> No.7478427

>>7478015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do8rHvr65ZA

>> No.7478490

>>7478015
VeChain
NEO
EOS
LISK

I like VeChain as being the coin the big money gets interested in. NEO for an easy pump and dump.

>> No.7478526

>>7478490
> VeChain
You are delusional. That shit is not running smart contracts
Comparison to ETH is stupid

>> No.7478585

>>7478526
You are truly a fucking idiot. https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/vechains-first-official-public-infrastructural-decentralized-application-vevid-cd97bdf98670

ctrl+f smart contracts

>> No.7478587

>>7478526
yea but they have their own mainnet coming out in june with smart contracts etc

>> No.7478598

>>7478526
VeChain is literally going to be enterprise dApps on their own chain.

>> No.7478659

>>7478309
Really hard to tell because staking will lock up like half the circulating supply. Conservative estimates are usually at least 50-100 as anon said but there's potential for it to go wild if it keeps up with the amazing news and companies fomo into nodes

>> No.7478703

>>7478015
Really decentralized and scalable - zilliqa.

>> No.7478718

Thanks guys and gals,

This thread has actually been good. I'll do some research.

>> No.7478802

>>7478015
>>7478015
>> Ethereum is centralized garbage that cannot scale as-is

Eth was the first alt/scamcoin that butt hurt faggots who felt they missed Bitcoin train jumped on

It was the most hyped with marketing buzzwords scamcoin ever.

Somehow eth shills have miraculously convinced the average retard that eth isn't an altcoin and has future potential lel

>> No.7478812

>>7478106
Why EOS?

>> No.7478847

>>7478703
Btw the most decentralized solution of the speed problem.
I don't know will it overtake its competitors or not but I LIKE THIS PROJECT.
I hate neos bullshit with 7 delegates. I don't really like hpb and eos. Btw invested in hpb lol.

>> No.7478877

biz, you never fail to amaze me.

>> No.7478929

Real question is .. is ETH apart of the illuminati Jewish cabal. I mean look at the fuckin pyramid. If so, we need a privacy based ethereum with smart contracts. Then all the existing smart contract businesses will port their dapps over to it. Why hasn't this happened yet? I hope someone smart on biz can share their input.

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7478999

>>7478015
Eth isn't the best tech but its got the market dominance. if one overtakes it, it will be a slow process that will give you ample time to move investments over. Don't get stuck backing betamax while vhs steals the market. Pic related

>> No.7479121

>>7478999
Got a point there. Do you think Ethereum will have a massive, ridiculous bullrun if it manages to capture Bitcoin's #1 spot? That's been my main concern with dropping my position in it.

>> No.7479141

>>7478015

ETH will continue to grow gradually. I think there's a lot of misconception with the muh flippening meme. I believe ETH and BTC are valuable for different reasons, and nothing out there right now is set to replace either. Neither ETH or BTC scale particularly well, but no decentralized blockchain can do this yet.

>> No.7479159

>>7478999
When was that chart made? Achain already has a few tokens generated from it too.

>> No.7479234

Its Ellaism

>> No.7479277

>>7479121
I plan on holding my Eth until it gets to .25 btc. When/if that happens ill swap some over to btc. As I think Eth at top spot will be short lived.

>> No.7479431

>>7479277
Sounds very reasonable.

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>>7479121
.25 btc is conservative if history has anything to say

>> No.7479566

>>7479457
>meme lines
>useful

Select only one

>> No.7479625

>>7479277
How much is .25?

>> No.7479648

>>7478165
this unironically unironically

>> No.7479746

>>7479566
Meme lines told me to sell btc at 17230 so I thank them for paying off my mortgage. Good luck with your strategy though.

>> No.7479795

>>7478015
Vechain. It's everything blockchain was created for, and everything people had no idea it was created for. More importantly, its a revamped version of Ethereum that has been developed for two years, has partnerships with multiple Fortune 500 companies, and the Chinese state. Insiders are the key to crypto investing.

>> No.7479826

>>7478162
so you are making the case for UBIQ

>> No.7479836

>>7479746
No, you wanted to sell, so you drew some meme lines to support your decision. Plenty of other indicators would have told you to hold if you thought that was a good idea.
You made a good trade, and think that the meme lines were responsible for this. But they weren't, your good judgement was.

>> No.7479838

>>7479625
Will depend on the USDBTC price but I expect btc to hover between 4-8k for the next few months. I'm long on btc but it has a lot of resistance to break through before we see new ATH.

>> No.7479868

>>7478015
Rchain

>> No.7479898

>>7478587
its actually already done, its just private, due to high profile customers already using it. word is leaking out tho. this is the biggest and best kept secret in crypto history. 2 years of building the great wall of china outside the great wall of china.

>> No.7479919

Ethereum is about to scale to 1 million+ tps when omg aka plasma is done. dum dums gon learn

>> No.7479947

>>7478999
AChain has more apps than NEO, I believe they're up to 30 and counting, if you want to talk about a sleeper who has been around quietly working for three years.

>> No.7479977

>>7478490
Nice picks anon we will make it to the promised land

>> No.7480043

>>7479836
How far we were above the 100/200 daily moving average was what told me to sell. Meme lines helped me make a decision on an exit point. They aren't perfect but basic use and understanding of the 100/200 dma/basic trend lines, should be a tool in any investors tool box.

>> No.7480058

>>7479919
Most of these idiots don't even realise the plasma upgrade for eth is omisego and that it's right around the corner

>> No.7480097

>>7480058
ETH's not going anywhere, it's finding its own specialization. The question is what may / will have the best chance to replace it atop the heap of alts.

>> No.7480103

>>7480058
Anyone with a decently large portfolio and 0 ETH deserves to stay poor at this point.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/7mm3fn/vitalik_buterin_in_my_opinion_the_current/

>> No.7480111

>>7479919

is there an ETA on this Plasma thing?

don't mean to fud, but it sounds more like vaporware

>> No.7480128

>>7478015
Stellar. the process is already in motion

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>>7480111
wallet is in q1 with "conglomerate" intergration within a month of wallet release. Definitely not vapor ware considering vitalik, poon, knott are all developing it with omg
>picrelated

>> No.7480368

>>7478164
That's a good thing, I love when the burgers get excluded from stuff.

>> No.7480443
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7480443

stratis, if you're paying any attention. watch.

>> No.7480462

HBN

>> No.7480492

>>7478929
>someone smart
>on /biz/

>> No.7480530

>>7480443

How high can it go

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7480592

>>7480492
uhm, Stratis. tumblebit
smart contracts
sidechains
C#
Microsoft Azure
watch

>> No.7480611

>>7478015
No such coin exists and can exist until ethereum starts to sabotage itself for some reason.
That's what happened with bitcoin.

People always underestimate network effects. The fact that bitcoin is still #1 proves how ridiculously strong they are. That's changing very fast though. You can now buy drugs for eth and sell/buy it anonymously on localethereum. I expect localethereum to have bigger volume than LB in a year.

Ethereum doesn't even a constant gas limit, it's set by the miners. Basically what bitcoin unlimited proposed to copy in bitcoin and was ridiculed for.

>> No.7480618

>>7480530
same amount of tokens as eth, same price as eth last year at this time

>> No.7480635

>>7478929
ETH is getting privacy through zksnarks

>> No.7480658

do you idiots ever stop to think about how exactly shit like neo and eos can achieve such higher transaction throughput without anything difficult or interesting like sharding or plasma? do you really think ethereum wouldnt implement it if it was so easy?

the only way eos and neo can do this is through 'delegated proof of state' bullshit which is basically just restricting validators to a handful of supercomputer nodes, which introduces obvious centralization concerns. ethereum is the *only* platform that has ideas to solve the scalability dilemma without blatant concessions to centralization

>> No.7480670

>>7480618

Why will it go up that high

>> No.7480720

>>7480658
This.

Also multiple languages is a meme that doesn't matter considering you can learn solidity in hours

>> No.7480757

>>7480670
ICOs on the platform, enterprise customers, will accept BTC, ETH, NEO, LTC, and STRAT. Changelly will convert to STRAT all funds, so in best interest to use strat, but on the other hand strat price will rise a lot due to this. Good catch 22.

The reason it will be popular is because people use microsoft products and there are actually coders that code in C# and .NET. So... Once the software is in full mode, it can only go up.

>> No.7480782

>>7480720
Ethereum will support every mainstream language eventually through Web Assembly.

>> No.7480867

>>7480658
You're right, but the delegated aspect does provide a substantial outlet to fight a malignant oligarchy situation

>> No.7481072
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7481072

My coin hasn't been mentioned yet

Thank god, still /undertheradar/

>> No.7481170

Stellar obviously

>> No.7481283

>>7481072

Everyone knows about achain

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>>7481283
lol

That's been mentioned, and it's a shitcoin

Here's a hint, the ETH has to be easier to use than ETH, Proof of Stake or similar, have smart contracts and ICOs, and be able to do things that ETH can't do like non-fungible tokens. And it has to already be able to do all these things, not just goals on a roadmap.

It's ok if you don't know what coin I'm referring to yet, you will in Q2

>> No.7481455

>>7481072
Bitcoin????

>> No.7481478

>>7481453
ETH-killer*

>> No.7481515

>>7481455
Bitcoin isn't a platform coin

Platforms like ETH is where all the money is at in 2018

>> No.7481525

>>7478015
QTUM EOS ICX

>> No.7481539

>>7481515
i made over 2M with ETH.

DO NOT TELL ME HOW TO SHITPOST IRONICALLY.

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>>7481539
The funny thing is there are actually people new enough to say that

Apologies, anon

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>>7481585
its okay

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>>7478015

it will be an asian coin

we have begun the flippening - china is taking over, we had a nice run gang.. we are gonna lose trillions in stock market and we have 20 trillion in debt, much owned by our new overlords.. they're going to beat us to renewables and beat us to crypto adoption and..

ETH will be the west, and #2, and one of the China coins will be #1. They will both surpass BTC's market cap and hold it by 2020.

>> No.7481734

>>7481453
>achain is a shitcoin

Ah ok you’re larping as someone who knows wtf he’s talking about, clearly you don’t. Kek. Enjoy your peasant coin.

>> No.7481826

>>7479141
I think thats a good assessment, there are clearly better technologies but stability in the form of longevity and familiarity is valuable. Also, ETH at least will adapt and overcome, ETH will have value for a long time

>> No.7481834

>>7481711
Our 20 trillion debt is irrelevant because our GDP is growing at a faster rate. meaning that we can easily pay off interest on the 20t and just keep postponing while inflation eats away at its value. Also every real country has trillions in debt anyway, the US isn't special in that sense. I don't think China is taking over anything, all their citizens are dirt poor and their GDP is much smaller than America's.

>> No.7481888

>>7479836
Like a dowsing rod, maybe there's something to it

>> No.7481978

>>7481834
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-10-18/who-has-the-world-s-no-1-economy-not-the-u-s

>> No.7482067

>>7481978
>Chinese GDP 11.2 trillion
>US GDP 18.57t
>here's how you can manipulate the numbers to make China look more impressive than the US

>> No.7482073

>>7481834
its a crypto battle, and USA's only hope is to start jumping aboard now, but we'll fight and bicker and wait while china rolls out the digital yuan, a blockchain based trade, and that's just crypto..

the power of their potential networks is too great for us to match in the age of social networking and IOT

>> No.7482101

>>7482067
>metcalfe

america's only hope tis to unite north, central, and south america..

>> No.7482174

>>7481834
>muh coal
>muh solar tariffs
>muh reelection

>> No.7482196

>>7481711
I, for one, welcome our new partners and the exotic thor they bring down the spicy highway

>> No.7482295

fucking late adopters never stop.

as soon as something explodes in value and they realize they'll never be able to get rich from it, the sad faggots start crying about how something else is going to take over from it. get fucking real.

face it, you're never going to be a crypto millionaire if this is how you think.

>> No.7482329

>>7478015
uh..
NEO?

What kind of question is this?

>> No.7482364

>>7478259
Keep dreaming.

>> No.7482395
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7482395

>>7478015
None, Ethereum is the one

>> No.7482401

>>7478015
Qtum
>Low total supply
>Smart contract technology integrated into the wallet itself
>Faster speeds than ethereum and cheaper fees
>Can update itself without having to fork
>Staking
>Several highly anticipated projects being released on its platform
>One of the 12 cryptos being used on the robinhood exchange

I could go on.

>> No.7482419

>>7481834
It's not about being bigger in crypto. It's owning most of the coins and giving people to hold the rest.
Then the money around the world will easily invest.

>> No.7482431

>>7482395

Yep, ETH will reign supreme

>> No.7482447

All you have to do is hold ETH and watch all the pretenders melt away.
Invest in solid tokens and coins that fill other needs.

>> No.7482493

>>7482401
that's shit tier reasons.

post use cases. list those highly anticipated projects. impress us and make us interested

People gotta compete with VeChain. the technology is all around going to be mainly the same in the end. it's about getting people to use your block chain

>> No.7482507

>>7481453
>and be able to do things that ETH can't do like non-fungible tokens

ERC 721... that's what cryptokitties are.
Why it's that every time someone lists supposed advantages of some 'ethereum killer' it's fundamentally wrong. ADA shills are the worst, most of them think ethereum (the network itself) runs solidity.

Proof of stake is bad too early because it ensures very high centralization. PoW distribution is one thing that can't be copied by anything, it would have to be built from the ground up over 2-3 years.

>> No.7482546

Nobody mentioned Nebulas (NAS)? Lmfao leave it to biz I swear

>> No.7482567

>>7481834
all of america's citizens are poor as shit retard, they just have credit.

>> No.7482698

>>7482546
that's a freaking search platform for the blockchain. read the whitepaper, dweeb.

>> No.7482752

>>7478015
Cardano, obviously

>> No.7482805

>>7482329

So cute

>> No.7482870

EOS definitely. Every token on EOS will have its own blockchain

>> No.7482926

>>7482870

Why does that matter

>> No.7482949

half of you retards bagging on ETH have never bothered to do any kinds of research into the multiple scaling solutions being implemented this year. Sharding, Plasma (basic plasma already will be 1 million+), etc. with a bunch of other minor scaling solutions such as relay networks worked by smaller teams. in fact, vitalik has commented on why they specifically don't just copy NEO on ethtrader.

ETH will flip Bitcoin because of it's superior tech, but even that is taking forever because of 1st mover advantage. For your shitcoins to beat ETH, ETH will have to flop around and fail to do anything at all this year ETH has 1st mover advantage on your shitcoin and you need VASTLY superior tech to flip.

>> No.7483011

>>7478259
You say this with absolutely no fucking idea of how many new and aspiring projects have left Eth for Neo. Stop posting, dyor, then come back and admit that you are a fucking idiot that didn't know anything before making this post.

>> No.7483035

>>7478015
Unironically Ethereum. The only people I ever see supporting alts are either tech illiterate or just feel like they missed the boat with ETH and are hoping they can ride a lower market cap coin to dominance.

>> No.7483036
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Words...

>> No.7483084

>>7483035
youre mentally retarded, tons of people trade alt/eth pairs. I want eth to get big and support other alts along with it you fucking STUPID faggot

>> No.7483137

EOS will flip ETH in 2018 or 2019 a the latest

>> No.7483190

>>7483084
I think you misunderstood me. Three are plenty of blockchains doing great things that have a niche to fill and some that could potentially invent whole new markets. I hold a fuckton of alts. I'm just referring to OP's question about one "overtaking" Ethereum - which I presumed to mean becoming the most popular smart contract platform.

>> No.7483271

>>7483190
im sorry

>> No.7483279

>>7483137
Why

>> No.7483464

>>7479141
VTC can replace BTC easily, if only their team wasn't that autist.

Now ETH seems more entrenched that the competition in the dApp scene.

I would not disregard a flippening from BTC to ETH either. Way too many people got burnt with BTC.

>> No.7483512

>>7483279

you should take the time to watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06qwPHgCbm0

and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkXuFeN-KMw

>> No.7484192

>>7482752
>>7482870

NO and NO

>> No.7484310

NEBLIO.

BETTER TOKEN THAN ERC721.

SMALL SUPPLY.

POS WITH 10% YIELD PER YEAR.

NONE OF YOU FAGS HAVE EVEN SHILLED THIS SO YOU KNOW ITS NOT SOME DUMB FUCKING PAJEET SHITCOIN.

ITS FUCKEN AMERICAN MADE SO FREEDOM IS BUILT IT.

>> No.7484891

>>7478085
Why not just monero? That and ZEC are doing the best post crash.

>> No.7484973

>>7478015
QTUM

>> No.7485768

>>7484973
Why QTUM over EOS?

Eos looks pretty solid