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7468752 No.7468752 [Reply] [Original]

>keep telling coiners to invest in stocks
>say crypto is too volatile, can lose a lot in a day
>laugh at us when BTC dips 50% in a month
>meanwhile, dow plunges 10% in a few days
A 10% loss in a week for stockfags is like a 95% loss for coiners. Fucking kikes are getting what they deserve.

>> No.7468826

>>7468752
I’m laughing at all of them tbqh

>> No.7468906

this is just correction territory priced in long ago

>> No.7468987

I never make it my business to laugh at people for having a rough time, shit like this can come around the corner at anytime and I know I'm not above getting caught up in it. I don't know why but stockfags are worse then cryptosfags when it comes to bragging and shiting on people.

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>>7468906
wew lad

>> No.7469275

>>7468906
hahaha get BUBBLED nigger

>> No.7469308

>>7469244
Kek, ironic how that's being used against them after they used it to fud crypto.

>> No.7469336

>>7468752
it's going to 13k
screen cap this

>> No.7469387

>>7469308
Is you look at the chart, this dip more resembles first sell off. If so then the market is poised for a bull run.

I think we will see 28k DJ EOY

>> No.7469399

>>7468752
Keeeeek

>inb4 buy stocks

>> No.7469434

>>7469387
I hope so man, if we crash to low then were all going to be fucked.

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>>7468752
>Is that all you've got goys ?

>> No.7469471

Stocks are OVER they are based on nothing just imaginary numbers the US dollar is doomed the 2nd Great Depression is coming SELL SELL SELL EVERYTHING now and buy crypto. this is your final warning.

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>>7469244

>> No.7469506
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>>7468752
Why are stockies so fucking pathetic? I mean c'mon, crying over a 5% drop?

>> No.7469522

>>7468906
sure m8 keep telling yourself that
now that bitcoin is recovering you don't feel so smart anymore >:)

>> No.7469582

>>7469244
So 22k is the mean?

>> No.7469730

>>7469506
Because it takes them like a year to get a 10% profit and if it falls too much people get scared and it takes even more time for things to normalize.

>> No.7469800

The Jews are pulling money out of wall street to put in bitcoin.

>> No.7469853

>>7469730
THIS. 13% gain annually for a decade is legendary for stockies

>> No.7469859

>>7468752
2018: Year of the DEX (and Doge) Atomic Swaps

#tulipmania2018

>> No.7469879

>>7468752
Bitcoin and crypto in general going up now is the perfect timing

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>> No.7469934

>>7469879
If only MSM could shill BTC as the "safe haven"

>> No.7469995
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>>7469879
>>7469934
Isn’t it funny how CNBC started shilling BTC after Giancarlo started shilling BTC and the stock market dipped hard? Hmmmm. What are (((they))) up to?

>> No.7470033

I've been waiting for this crash since dec 2016, and then Trump became president and kept the market afloat for another year.
This is going to be amazing, this will be the biggest crash in history.
Fed can't even lower rates to help the market since they're already pretty much at %0.
And when you give banks literal free money since 2008, what do you think is going to happen?
That's 100% artificial inflation.

>> No.7470119

How much do you wanna bet stockfags come pouring into crypto now? We’re going up, they’re going down. It would be the logical move.

>> No.7470134

>>7470033
Inflation has been pretty low though. That's one of the reasons the stocks tumbled.

>> No.7470139

>>7469995
I'm watching CNBC "Closing Bell" now. They are pretty bearish on Bitcoin anon

>> No.7470408

>>7470033
how is "inflating the biubble even more"=to "kept the market afloat for another year."?

>> No.7470410

>>7470134
You're misinformed, inflation last year was over 2% which has been rising since 2015. Investors are worried about inflation, that's what is causing stocks to dump

>> No.7470556

>>7469934
Well, I think we will see big dip later today but otherwise I imagine crypto is done with its huge downward spikes.

>> No.7470580

>>7470410
Overvaluation, before last week, before these shit shows, P/E ratio for S&P 500 is the 3rd highest in the history.

>> No.7470611
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>>7470556
>I imagine crypto is done
Do you believe in Santa anon?

>> No.7470663

>took profit in crypto already
>Everything remaining is purely gain so I'm not panic selling
>Got a new job that's gonna keep me loaded in fiat
>Near perfect credit score
>Few months away from being completely debt free
>Up 4% today in cryto
All in all I'm feeling comfy as fuck.

>> No.7470707

>>7468752
10% is actually just 10% I don’t know how you could possibly favor 95% loss over a 10% loss but I guess that’s how deluded cryptokid logic works

>> No.7470737

>>7470707
>95%
have you seen XIV?

>> No.7470787

>>7470737
>implying XIV is the total market
It’s not even a stock

>> No.7470795

>>7469244
Looks like the first sell off if anything bozo

>> No.7470802

>>7469800
This. Binance is down because casinos want FUN and kikes want BTC to get out of the crash

>> No.7470801

>>7470663
>be me

>> No.7470851

>>7470787
so market fear gauge has nothing to do with stock movement? thanks, just bought 100k SPDR

>> No.7470889

>>7470707
The difference is that in crypto 10% is a good day or week. In stocks 10% is a good year. The 10% lost this past week in stocks could very well take a year’s worth to recover, just like a 95% loss in crypto would take a year to recover.

>> No.7470894

>>7468826
you wish your cuckcoins only dropped 10%.

>> No.7470927

>>7469487
The you are here is probably just settling on the first bulltrap. Return to normal will be when the media stops talking about it I guess. Because after that it drops an actual 70-80%?

>> No.7470934

>>7470580
Right, overvaluation caused by low interest rates (which causes inflation)

>> No.7470946

>>7470033
>they're already pretty much at %0.
lol
You haven't been around long, have you?
2.8% is considered high nowadays.

>> No.7470989

>>7470889
>95% loss in crypto would take a year to recover.
how long did BTC take to fall from 1k to $100 and then bounce back to 1k? NOT A YEAR

>> No.7471007

>>747085
The movements are not equivalent. Stop trying to conflate a single ticker with the total market, and please look up “termination event”.
>>7470889
DJIA was up 25% last year.

>> No.7471075

>>7470894
You wish your stocks went up 10000%

>> No.7471076

>>7470707
diferrence: I can put 100 un crypto and turn 500% profits or more in a good year in stocks you get like what 5% in 5 years?

>> No.7471083

>>7470946
>You haven't been around long, have you?
Yeah, exactly what I'm saying. You have no way to shelter the economy anymore. Rates have never been this low for this long before.
The second lowest was 1% for 1 year.
Please tell me how 0% for 8 years is healthy

>> No.7471109

>>7470934
>overvaluation caused by low-interest rates
yes and no, if that's the only reason for a stock market boom, DOW will be where we are now when Obama was the president but I see what you are saying.

>> No.7471120

>>7471007
>DJIA was up 25% last year
Which is why it’s dipping so hard right now

>> No.7471253

>>7471076
You really need to see market data before making bullshit posts like this.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=S%26P+500+five+year+return
>>7471120
Likely, fears are way overblown

>> No.7471314
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>>7471120
who cares how far it's up, the problem is a down trend is BAD for the economy.

>> No.7471324

>>7471253
>S&P 500 5 Year Return is at 88.49%, compared to 87.47% last month and 73.64% last year. This is higher than the long term average of 56.55%.

why would I want less than a 100% return in five years when in a good year I can make 10 times that on crypto?

>> No.7471352

>>7471324
>what is leverage
hello 20year child

>> No.7471376

>>7469506
Bro it's cause stocks are on a completely different scale than shitcoins
A couple of pajeets and basement dwellers get burned whoop de do.
With stocks it affects the rest of the economy

>> No.7471446

>>7471324
Because you have real money you want to protect and aren’t gambling your mcdonalds wages at 20 y/o.
You know what didn’t happen in the past 5 years? Stock markets losing 65% in one month.

>> No.7471469

>>7469506
People invest their savings for years in the stocks hoping to retire early.
The gain is slow (way faster than a bank savings account though) and losses hurt a lot. Let’s be real, most people aren’t investing their entire savings into crypto.

>> No.7471523

>>7470927
You know that if the stock market dropped 80% it would be the end of the world and all money would be worthless right?

>> No.7471614

>>7471446
when was the last time a crash in crypto triggered a world wide recession tho? if the stock market crashes your fiat literally worths less, if crypto market crashes my 100 bucks are still worth 100 bucks

>> No.7471682

Anybody see the Pantera Capital guy on CNBC right now? Interesting stuff. Bull market starting sometime in the next couple weeks?

>> No.7471690

>>7471523
Time to stock up on food and ammo.

>> No.7471908

>>7471614
Never because they’re not useful, nobody depends on them.
>stocks crash fiat worthless
No, and by the way, $100 is always worth $100 you mong.

>> No.7472049

>>7471908
>No, and by the way, $100 is always worth $100 you mong.

yes it will always be worth 100, but If I 100 worth of things are now worth 200 my money worths less , if those 100 worth things now worth 50 then my money worths more

>> No.7472109

>>7471083
>Please tell me how 0% for 8 years is healthy
It isn't. But, as Keynes said "In the long run, we're all dead". In these environs however, 2.8% gives them plenty of room.
I only hope they don't use it for political reasons and just kick the can further down the road. I'd hate to see the supposed 'right' blamed for this, but nonetheless, a correction is long overdue.

>> No.7472142

The problem is stocks have dividend yields. So when they go down, the yield goes up. And if your like me and plan to hold your stocks till you die, market crashes are actually better for your portfolio. Right now dividend yields are still vastly better than risk free rate, so the stock market still has alot to rise.

Got to remember stocks have value OTHER than selling it off to the next retard.

>> No.7472197

BTFD
Inflation/interest rate fears should only affect overleveraged stocks.
Unlike crypto, stocks are backed by REAL assets and generate REAL cash flow.
Sell your meme-coins, buy a S&P tracker and sleep well for the next 20 years.

>> No.7472223

>>7469471
>imaginary numbers

Kind of like crypto

>> No.7472275

>>7469487
lol. It'll take over a year for this to actually play out.

>> No.7472289

>>7472197
Wut? Interest rates affect the value of all future cashflows - which includes stocks, housing and bonds.

That said, the real interest rate is -2% for 30 years in the UK, whilst the dividend yield is 4-5%. That's a mad spread. Even if the FTSE and S&P doubled, the yield spread would still be large.

Either future predictions of interest rates are incorrect, or stocks are massively undervalued.

>> No.7472342

Every day I sneer gleefully at this fact since my disabled cunt mother has her savings in some pet company stocks. Felt fucking amazing making her cry today when I rubbed the stock papers in her ugly bitch face.

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>>7471469
> Let’s be real, most people aren’t investing their entire savings into crypto.

>> No.7472371

>>7472342
Kek

>> No.7472406

>>7468906
>>muh stocks
kek imagine being this gay

>> No.7472488

>>7468752
Loving it. 2 dips to buy in 1 week! Solid gainz incoming.

Cryptos are awesome, but I want to own some NVIDIA so every time /v/ buys a new PC they're paying me to be a coiner driving their GPU prices up. Profit and trolling in one.

>> No.7472489

>>7472289
Companies can increase their prices to match inflation so future cash flows increase. Along with property they are the best assets to hold now. The only issue is the cost of servicing excessive debt.

There will be a rotation from bonds into equities, now is an excellent time to buy.

>> No.7472568

>>7472488
NVIDIA is actually pretty tempting tbqh

>> No.7472604

>>7472489
Certainly an excellent time to buy, you'll catch the crash just in time!

>> No.7472647

I'm just waiting to sell the bull trap.

I'm sorry Americans, I really hope you'll survive this one.
I hope I'll survive it too.

>> No.7472666

/biz/ what the fuck are after-hours trading and why are people allowed to dump on you after-hours while you can't do anything about it

>> No.7472699

>>7468906

>you don't know what "priced in" means, do you?

>> No.7472710

>>7472366
i 2nd this reaction.

> Let’s be real, most people aren’t investing their entire savings into crypto.

>> No.7472746

>>7472568

Solid team. Great whitepaper. Lotta upside potential etc! And the better cryptos do, better it'll do too.

Just have to be patient while it all sags.

>> No.7472824

If i purchase a partial btc and lets say it goes up, can i sell it as profit?
Like buy .5 btc ~4k USD and if it goes up to $20k like last year does this mean I can sell it for around $10,000?

>> No.7472876

>>7469387
Oh yeah the US stock market is doing the first sell off in the awareness phase. Only the most fringe have heard of the stock market. Noose up, you dumb fucker.

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>>7472366
>Let’s be real, most people aren’t investing their entire savings into crypto.

>> No.7472956

>>7472666
Don’t worry about it goy. Just wait for the open.

>> No.7473008

>>7468752

dow jones is a meme index though

>> No.7473053

>>7472824
Yes

>> No.7473061

>>7469506
10% drop on the Dow is pretty damn insane dude

>> No.7473197

>>7469244
This is unironically the FIRST SELL OFF.
Good guys right now are forcing the globalists to sell off their shares of the US economy.
We are taking back control of our markets.
-(KYou)

>> No.7473300

>>7472666
You should know Satan.
It's the exact same thing as when your exchange experiences a ((server overload)) during times of volatility.

>> No.7473349

>>7472049
kek wtf did i just read

i get what inflation is, but i've never seen it explained more inarticulately

>> No.7473391

>>7472197

This. Just look at is a human capital going on sale.

Crypto is magic beans at this point. Litecoin gets the job done on the darkweb and thats about all its good for. There is no need for 1000 different coins.

>> No.7473410

>>7471469
HEY HEY HEEEEEY

>> No.7473475
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>>7471469

>> No.7473511

>>7473061
>>7469506
I think it's because they gains are so fucking slow that it could take a year to go back up or some gay shit.

>> No.7473610

>>7469244
bear trap innit

>> No.7473629

>>7470611
I know Clif Lurks /pol/ and /biz/ he used the words *Larping and Normies*.

>> No.7473662

>>7469244
how can an industry average be a bubble

you fucking idiots

>> No.7473705

so what percent does your portfolio have to drop before you say fuck it, and cut losses?

or do you double down?

>> No.7473834

>>7469244
rofl
so ironic

>> No.7473903

>>7473662
If everyone invests in stocks because they are told it's free money, then the overall market will become overbought. People eventually stop buying in, as they believe they have invested enough. Then, they see that +30% gains from this year and decide they want to cash some of it out. You then have far more people selling the overvalued stocks than people buying, and the price collapses. It's not as volatile a bubble as crypto, but its a bubble nonetheless.

>> No.7473937

>>7469244
Cryptofags are retarded. Both stocks and crypto will crash even further. You wanna make money? Buy VIX.

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>>7473937
BTC has already been BTFO. It's gonna fall even further after that cute "recovery"

>> No.7474019

>>7473970
so short it you pussy

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>>7472901
fugg

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>>7468906
>priced in

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>>7473970
Quote me on it.

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>>7471469
>Let’s be real, most people aren’t investing their entire savings into crypto.

>> No.7474254

>>7473937

you have no concept of how the markets work

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>>7470663
>debt
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF COINFAGS.
Good luck son hope you make it.

>> No.7474317

>>7474290
What is a car. What is student debt?

>> No.7474343

>>7474254
>He thinks the market will rebound

>> No.7474351

>>7473903
not ever overevaluation is a bubble

>> No.7474389

>>7473970

>>7474019
>>7474019
>>7474019

>> No.7474441

Said this in another thread but this smug attitude toward the 1000 point dip is hilarious. We dipped to 6k 11 hours after they dipped 1200 points. We are about to get fucked up.

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>>7474317
Jewish propaganda.
Why didn't you buy a 5000 dollar car?
Why didn't you start your own business instead of going to (((college)))?

>> No.7474685

>>7474510
Because a cheap car is what I had prior and it broke down all the time. Because starting a business isn't a guaranteed easy 100k salary after just a few years experience. Now that I'm a few months from being debt free I'm going to save up to buy my first property in cash when the market crashes. From there it's rental property time and using that income to buy a second property.

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>> No.7474954

>>7468752
> laughing at market investors
> instead of buying the dip

Holy shit this board isn't aware of literally the barebones basics of investing.

>> No.7475312

>>7474954
>3%
This is a crypto board Grandpa. I can make 3% in an hour on literally any shit coin with enough volatility.

>> No.7475464

>>7474954
>Trading on market trends
Nah. There's literally no reason behind this other than mindless panic, so either shorting or buying the dip is a risky move.
Just hold.

>> No.7475493

for an easy comparison this would be like bitcoin crashing to $800 in a day

>> No.7475600

>>7475464
>There's literally no reason behind this other than mindless panic
Yeah just ignore the capital outflow from USD that's been occurring 2H of 2017. Smart money is already taking profits because the gravy train is coming to an end.

>> No.7475656

>>7469506

Imagine if a 5% bitcoin drop meant you might not be able to find a job soon.

>> No.7475697

>>7468987
It's because they're afraid of the unknown and are just petting themselves on the back for it.

>> No.7475728

>>7475312
biz was great when it started almost exactly 3 years ago. then a year ago it turned into crypto. fucking sucks.

>> No.7475858

>>7475656
You invest in crypto so you don't have to find a job

>> No.7475943

>>7475728
/biz/ was created as a cryto containment board

>> No.7476080

>>7471469
whew lad

>> No.7476136

>>7475728
Yeah this place was a containment board for crypto because /g/ couldn't take it anymore, nobody cares about stocks, they barley move and they are controlled top to bottom by a select few who barley let anyone in on the real action anyway. And at least if crypto crashes it won't take the global economy with it.

>> No.7476156

so many idiots, no1 here knows anything about any of this. its beyond them, youre all genuine retards

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>>7472366
>Let’s be real, most people aren’t investing their entire savings into crypto.

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>>7473705
This kind of thinking is dangerous.

Dont mistake action for productivity. Most people hurt themselves financially by selling out in times like these. If you cant handle the volatility, you should not have been in the market in the first place.

t. a CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER™ professional

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>>7471075
You wish you could get that 10000% out of coinbase.

>> No.7476818

>>7476156
at least we are genuine retards, not like those fake knockoff retards on reddit

>> No.7476905

>95% loss for coiners

lol don't group us all into the people who bought at the top and then held/sold the bottom. Crypto is very much a volatile market, but that volatility means there are a lot of easy gains that amount to much more than you could make in stocks in the same period of time. This also means the retards get punished extra hard.

>> No.7476967

>>7476905
I should’ve said a 95% loss for Bitcoin. I’ve been doing pretty well during this dip. Volatility can be a very good thing for daytrading.

>> No.7477108

>>7471469
>Let’s be real, most people aren’t investing their entire savings into crypto.

fucking kek

>> No.7477213

>>7474685
>Because starting a business isn't a guaranteed easy 100k salary after just a few years experience.
>put it into crypto instead

nice logic

>> No.7477232

>>7477213
I turned 600 dollars into 50k in two years. Stay retarded Grandpa.

>> No.7477247

>>7477232
>50k

kek, fucking cute

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>>7471469
>Let’s be real, most people aren’t investing their entire savings into crypto.
I didn't, but then it rapidly became basically my entire savings

i feel like death

>> No.7477434

>>7477232
You could have gotten a decent paying job and make a lot more than that in 2 years.

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>> No.7477496

>>7469387
>he thinks the "Public" have yet to invest in this think called the "stock market"
kek good one

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>>7468906
>this is just correction

>> No.7477556

>>7468906
Imagine if someone believed this

>> No.7477566

Kek. The Nikkei and Hang Seng are in freefall as well. Get ready for the next great depression. This shit is now global.

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>>7471469

>> No.7477721

>when the average cryptotard is so financially illiterate he doesn't know what inverse ETFs are

Protip: There are 'stocks' you can buy which go up when the market goes down.

TZA, UVXY, etc. I've made a lot of money this week.

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Stick it to the cuckservatives on wall street by trading words

>> No.7477763

>>7477434
Check my id smart guy. I have a job that pays well. The 50k was from playing around with cryto. Now was few years later I'm debt free and making enough to start considering investment properties.

>> No.7477805

>>7477721
indeed, it's good for /biz/ to learn about the largest bubble on the planet - the derivatives bubble which is over 1 quadrillion dollars