Why are you not doing internships in the tech sector, /biz/? Don't tell me you can't program

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Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:11:15 2018 No.7404656 [Reply] [Original]

Why are you not doing internships in the tech sector, /biz/? Don't tell me you can't program

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:13:55 2018 No.7404746 >>7404656 I don’t know how to code. Also, aren’t those internships with large companies super competitive?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:14:57 2018 No.7404783 >>7404656 But i did an internship already and I can program. Now what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:16:03 2018 No.7404813 >>7404656 >internship I am already a lead developer, you moron

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:17:00 2018 No.7404846 >>7404656 I trade crypto for a living

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:19:11 2018 No.7404911

>>7404656
Yeah I'm a CS major tired of fucking doing IT jobs/internships. Post that link now OP. Just applied to a robotics internship at the local nuclear lab, but would MUCH rather pull in 6 figures as a fucking intern at MS doing what I actually want to be doing deep down.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:22:46 2018 No.7405007 >>7404656 I did anon and now I've ascended above the puny babby intern form

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:23:02 2018 No.7405017

>>7404656
I can program. Just can't ever get past resume screening. I keep applying to the Big 4 but they never want me. I have a strong portfolio IMO but I feel I have given up. Fuck having to code substantial projects on my free time as proof of my (((passion))). And fuck practicing for whiteboard interviews.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:31:31 2018 No.7405329 >>7404911 Google for the link, it's somewhere, but it's much better if you're familiarized with some project of theirs beforehand. >>7405007 pls no bully ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:32:49 2018 No.7405380 >>7404656 >$109k >in redmond, wa >high income

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:33:33 2018 No.7405404 >>7405380 You gotta be kidding, I barely spent half of my intern salary last time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:33:43 2018 No.7405410 >>7405329 then I wait, thanks for the heads up before I filled a ton of shit out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:33:45 2018 No.7405414 >>7404656 Too bad you're probably a shitskin who got the job as a diversity quota hire

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:34:27 2018 No.7405437 >>7405404 lad, i live in redondo beach and bank about $120k without commissions. takes some taxes away and i fall right into middle class. 6 figure isn't shit unless you are making $150-200k/year

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:36:20 2018 No.7405500 >>7405437 Interesting. Did you see that they pay for housing and services too? That makes a big difference I think, because I really had more money that I could care to spend. I bought a ton of shit and again, only spent about half.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:37:10 2018 No.7405533 >>7405500 >filing single wait till you've got mouths to feed. the only consolation is filing married joint. that or you make 6 figures living in texas, then you'll really make bank.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:38:29 2018 No.7405570 >>7405414 he got the job because he'll do the work for 12 cents and a half eaten curry

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:39:10 2018 No.7405601 who here /amazon/ feels good man

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:39:41 2018 No.7405626 >>7405533 >wait till you've got mouths to feed Implying I'm going to let myself get cucked by the state and some cheating whore who should go kill herself

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:39:52 2018 No.7405631 >>7405601 >wanting to go into a burn and churn organization i've had many friendos go through the SCM team. shit sucks m8.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:40:13 2018 No.7405644 I interned at ATT last summer and made my annual was 50 grand. I just got hired and my starting annual is 100 grand. I live in a low cost city.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:40:30 2018 No.7405656 >>7405414 >>7405570 stay jelly asshats >>7405601 I heard they're kinda tough on employees, and people burn out quick. Any truth to that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:40:56 2018 No.7405674 >>7405626 you gotta do it lad. it's a rite of passage for a man. don't fall for jew memes. nothing sadder than coming to an empty home in the same way whores find themselves after age 35 after partying like an animal for the last 15 years.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:42:33 2018 No.7405739
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>>7405674
You think I'm going to let some fucking retard who makes 1/10 of what I make and who has no real skills or redeeming qualities control my life, just because she has a sperm incubation chamber behind her asshole? Give me a break anon, when I die I die and my bloodline means nothing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:42:41 2018 No.7405744 >>7405644 >tfw brainlet so cant program >tfw ill never make 6 figs in a low COL city good on you mate. back to wageniggering for me

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:42:52 2018 No.7405749 >>7405656 I've heard the same thing. Amazon is essentially the most "corporate" of the big tech companies. Unfortunately, I'm only doing an internship, so I'll start this summer, don't have any experience working there yet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:44:15 2018 No.7405796 >>7405749 Good luck bro! If they're tough, then fuck them. Get your money and get out.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:45:36 2018 No.7405845

I can't code very well. I'm out of school anyway and have an engineering job, albeit a dead-end boring one. If you miss the on-ramp of elite college -> elite company you're basically screwed anyway, and I'll have been working my first job for a year or so. Too late to turn it around, life's already over if not for crypto.

Hopefully I can make a few million in crypto I'll just retire, already have 200k.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:46:56 2018 No.7405890
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>CS major
>got an internship sophomore year
>work there full-time(besides finals/midterms) through college as a java developer
>graduate, get promoted and a big raise as software engineer
>6 months later, management

Software is a great industry, but get out of the codemonkey work as fast as you can, otherwise you'll hate yourself

Nobody respects coders, if you are a programmer you're literally just a resource for us to do with you what we will.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:47:49 2018 No.7405921 >>7404746 I talked to someone from Chevron. They want 3 prior internships to hire me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:47:54 2018 No.7405923 >>7405017 are you a white, non jewish male? too bad you're not diverse enough buddy

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:49:23 2018 No.7405975

>>7405845
elite school is useful but not the only avenue to an elite company. an impressive resume is more useful after 1+ years out of college

a big name college will get you an interview almost anywhere RIGHT AFTER COLLEGE, but a year or two of impressive work experience will do the same thing

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:50:07 2018 No.7405997 >>7405890 How do I jump to management fast?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:50:20 2018 No.7406009 >>7405845 >If you miss the on-ramp of elite college -> elite company you're basically screwed anyway, People without degrees in CS work at all major tech companies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:50:30 2018 No.7406016 >>7405656 Yeah definitely a shitskin. You'll fit right in with the rest of the minorities in tech, enjoy!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:50:33 2018 No.7406020 >>7404746 >Also, aren’t those internships with large companies super competitive? Yes, good luck getting one if you aren't >A) god tier programmer with work to show for it >B) at a god tier college or >C) Asian

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:52:14 2018 No.7406056

>>7405975
I won't have an impressive resume though, my job is just doing paperwork. I get like 70k a year but meh. Nothing impressive there. It's not like I can learn to code and change jobs, no company would be interested vs. a CS major from MIT or Berkeley.

>>7406009
Yeah, but it's too late to learn and work at a good company. No way to demonstrate ability (coding bootcamps are a meme) and I don't work at a prestigious company in the first place. No one would want to hire me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:52:20 2018 No.7406060 >>7405656 fuck off shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:53:19 2018 No.7406090 >>7405739 >when I die I die and my bloodline means nothing. that's really sad. hope you'll think otherwise. takes time. and you've gotta spend some time diggin. can't just put penis in the pooper on the first one you get

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:53:37 2018 No.7406099

>>7405997
Advance within your company, if you see an opening, go for it

But that strategy only works if you're competent and appear as if you are on top of everything.

Going from heads-down engineering to management is hard. Having a customer-facing role is a necessity.

If you have 5+ years work experience, it's POSSIBLE you could apply for management at a good company, but unlikely unless you're age 30+

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:54:37 2018 No.7406122 >>7405921 I'll be your reference buddy

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:55:24 2018 No.7406146 >>7404656 Holy shit why have I not thought of just simply working at Microsoft or Google? Genius!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:55:30 2018 No.7406153 >>7406099 What about going the startup route? I'm working on building a small medtech company with my friend, and it's possible it might not work out. Would it be possible to move into management from that do you think?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:55:33 2018 No.7406155 >>7406122 Too late, I'm a mud engineer now (not Chevron) :^)

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:56:13 2018 No.7406179

>>7404656

why would anyone with half a working brain still consider doing it?

you have to be a complete moron to kiss ass and work like a fucking slave for a fistful of shekels... fuck you ms google and the rest

start your own business and make your own paycheck, period.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:57:51 2018 No.7406228

>>7406099
that's my current path. in industry 5 years now and started from:

account executive
sales executive
business development manager

now going for sales mgr/director in about 2-3 year's time. it also is better to hop with more experience to a smaller company. pay gets much higher than going through a large corp grind.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:59:14 2018 No.7406268
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>>7406056
If you want to go from cubemonkey paperpusher to software developer, do the following:

>learn to code in a model-view-controller framework
>get good at web development
>become familiar with back-end development(that is the controller part)
>build a few projects on your own
>start bidding on a few small projects on sites such as Upwork, where you can actually get paid half-decent if you know what you're doing
>once you're good, you can start applying for entry-level web dev positions at real companies

You will now have a very reasonable portfolio to show off to recruiters and interviewers. FILL your resume with relevant tech qualifications and experience, and push your paper-pushing experience to the bottom.

Trust me you'll get interviews, and they won't care so much about what you've done full-time if you know what you're talking about during the tech screens.

Be warned, you'll be comparing against a LOT of Pajeets on Upwork, but it's the best way to get contracts.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:00:19 2018 No.7406304

>First roommate out of undergrad was a CS major who just dicked around in school and smoked pot
>Got a job at IBM making $65,000 right out of school (live in the midwest, this is great post-grad salary here)
>Mad jelly since I majored in psychology and was working part time at $11.25 an hour in a research lab (eventually made full-time at $14.75 but was still a poorfag)
>He bought a brand new Mazda first month
>Never went into work before noon
>Stayed out partying until the wee hours every night
>Never went into work Mondays or Fridays
>Meanwhile I was busting my ass for chump change
>When it comes time to move out he tells me that everyone in the company is usually promoted in the first year, but he was still doing bitch work
>Find out later he was fired and now works as a coffee barista

The CS meme is real and he fucked it up. Despite having no drive or motivation he cashed the golden check and bounced it. Learn from him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:01:32 2018 No.7406335 Regarding the industry. Is a CS degree really necessary or just being able to code will suffice? No fucking way I'm going to college again!!!

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:02:01 2018 No.7406356
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>>7406153
If you make it seem on your resume that your management experience lines up with what they think they need, I guess it can. If you successfully managed your own startup to a cashflow-positive point, then yes, you'll be fine.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:02:08 2018 No.7406359

>>7406268
I don't really even want to code though. I just hate being bored constantly. I had planned to work for a year before going back to grad school, but I'm too incompetent to get a top score on my field's subject GRE, it seems. Graduate school is, of course, another place where you are screwed if you do not attend an elite institution.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:02:48 2018 No.7406388 >>7404656 Everyone thinks I'm retarded because autistic but my programming skills are decent. I just don't buddy up to people at the office or go out for drinks with them and they don't like me for that.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:03:27 2018 No.7406412

>>7406388
>. I just don't buddy up to people at the office or go out for drinks with them and they don't like me for that.
you need to lad. 50% of moving up is networking and first being someone's bitch then getting them to like you. it's part of the formula.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:03:49 2018 No.7406426 >>7406304 >literally never shows up to work >gets fired and you're happy about making basically minimum wage why?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:04:25 2018 No.7406447 >>7406179 ...? I work at one of those companies and I have a great work life balance and big paychecks retard kys?

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:05:37 2018 No.7406479

>>7406426
I'm not. I'm in school to make much more money. It was a temporary job between undergrad and grad school so I could take some pre-requisites. Made some good connections from it, too. So the pay was shit but it will be worth it.

Yeah it's obvious why he was fired, but at the time I just thought his job was crazy flexible. Turns out he was just a moron.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:06:08 2018 No.7406494 >>7404656 I don't hire interns

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:06:14 2018 No.7406499 >>7404911 Microsoft was shit when I worked there, getting anything meaningful done requires sending a request up your side of the hierarchy and waiting for it to trickle down to whoever needed to give you permission.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:07:19 2018 No.7406519
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>>7406356
Well, hopefully it'll end up being cash positive. It's extremely speculative at the moment.

Might just keep burning through investor money on more and more zany ideas.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:07:35 2018 No.7406529
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I was homeschooled until the 8th grade by a parent who didn't know math for shit and imparted in me a deep rooted anxiety towards math, since I was pretty much brilliant in other subjects and never had to try, I basically tanked math, despite taking honors courses, I just couldn't get over the extreme anxiety and basically always thought I was awful at it with no hope.

I am 27 now, have an associates and dropped out in Junior year because I just didn't care. Had scholarships, grants and above average grades. I have considered trying to CLEP out of algebra/precalc and then slowly knocking out math courses, but why the fuck would I do this to myself? So I can compete with 22 year old CS grads for entry level codemonkey work? I'd almost rather be a poorfag for life at this point if my investments don't pan out.

P.S. if you are under 20 and reading this take the fucking hint. It doesn't get easier and the debt is probably worth it if your degree has any value/demand and you think you can manage it. Otherwise you will end up FUD'ing yourself year on year, thinking it is too late, until it actually IS too fucking late.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:07:50 2018 No.7406536 >>7404656 Lmao that's higher than the Msft new hire base salary Damn I should join MSR

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:07:59 2018 No.7406540 >>7406499 Lol what the fuck are you talking about? What type of shit requires this? Just make a pull request...?

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:09:07 2018 No.7406577
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>>7406304
>IBM
>start at Noon
Unlikely that he was anything above bottom-tier part time consultant

>>7406228
Right, if you want to get into any management, it's almost necessary to get your first taste of it by being promoted from within.

Coming into a new company as a manager is rare, unless you have years of prior management experience.

But like I said before, being a career codemonkey is MISERY, ask anyone

>>7406335
>Regarding the industry. Is a CS degree really necessary or just being able to code will suffice?

"Just" being able to code will not suffice. Nobody is going to even interview you if you don't have any proven track record or experience. It's possible that you will be able to get interviews purely through lying on your resume though.

But, you won't be able to lie your way past the on-site tech interview. At some point you'll have to go in front of a Principal-level engineer and get grilled on your technical experience, ability and knowledge. And writing clever functions is about 0.1% of what they care about.

>>7406359
>I just hate being bored constantly.
Nobody is stopping you from applying to "cooler" jobs, anon. Stop being lazy and start applying, it's so fucking easy to get interviews if you have even a little real experience on your resume. And if you don't, just lie(but don't lie beyond your means to prove yourself).

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:09:27 2018 No.7406587 File: 964 KB, 1920x1080, 1489237742801.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7406499 I've been applying to Microsoft for the past month but didn't hear any response, would you recommend I keep trying Microsoft or drop them altogether?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:10:30 2018 No.7406618 >>7406540 Hoho working at Msft is sacrificing any hope of avoiding bureaucracy for management that isn't totally run by loony libs

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:11:12 2018 No.7406640 >>7406499 this is actually a good thing bureacracy is great when you personally aren't relied on to produce

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:11:19 2018 No.7406644 >>7406499 I think every huge monolithic corporation is like that. I hear that from friends at Google and Microsoft too. Oracle seems so bad I wouldn't even consider working there. >>7406540 He isn't talking about pulling code, moron

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:12:05 2018 No.7406664 >>7406587 Can't hurt right? Idk about the other divisions but Gaming is expanding hardcore rn and I have to imagine Azure is on an even higher level

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:12:22 2018 No.7406674 >>7406587 Drop it anon, unless you are applying to different office locations, applications all go to the same place and they've already seen your resume.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:13:11 2018 No.7406697 >>7406499 >Microsoft was shit when I worked there I loved it in the 90s.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:14:11 2018 No.7406723 >>7406674 Yeah, I've been applying to the Redmond location. You work there? How are things at MSFT?

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:14:30 2018 No.7406732

>>7404656
Do you realistically need a degree to land a programming job? Not even 6 figures, like one for a shitty startup making 50K a year or so.
I've been studying using codeaccdemy pro for the past few months, dedicating about 10 hours a week on it, and willing to commit learning code fro another year before I'll start looking for a job though. What are my options /Biz/?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:14:31 2018 No.7406734 >>7406540 I was there in 2007 working on Windows security, fuzz testing, hopefully things are different now. Bailed after a few months. >>7406587 I was in within a few weeks, look elsewhere.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:15:45 2018 No.7406767 >>7406723 I don't work as MSFT, I just know how companies work. At a company as large as MSFT, your resume goes straight to the HR department. If you're a white guy, there's a 50/50 chance that it just gets printed straight into the shredder too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:16:26 2018 No.7406791 >internship requires past internship experience really fires the neurons

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:16:28 2018 No.7406793 >>7406734 Any advice or tips? Dunno what's wrong with my resume.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:17:16 2018 No.7406821 >>7406791 It's Microsoft Research, basically academic

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:17:49 2018 No.7406833 Ive sent out twenty applications in the last two weeks and have got zero replies Im about ready to kill myself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:18:12 2018 No.7406842 >>7406833 but at least you got dubs

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:18:48 2018 No.7406853 Im 28, been learning Rails. Kinda hitting a road block with react. Its just too much to juggle in my mind. I guess I dont think symbolically. I struggle to see how people enjoy this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:19:36 2018 No.7406879 >>7404656 because I'm >White >male >fucked around early in college, would take years to increase cumlative GPA to the point where they would hire me >already make $50-$100 an hour day trading shit coins and junk bonds

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:19:40 2018 No.7406882 >>7404846 I'm a senior dev but no bay area salary.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:20:30 2018 No.7406910
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>>7406833
>only twenty
filename

But the good news is that once you apply to hundreds of postings, your resume will be in so many databases that 3-4 per week will call you for the next 5 years, so you don't even really have to apply for jobs any more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:21:32 2018 No.7406935 File: 52 KB, 1024x768, 1491672609575.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7406910 fuck im tired *3-4 RECRUITERS will call you per week

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:22:21 2018 No.7406961 >tears about while males and diversity quotas but /biz/ I am a white male

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:22:32 2018 No.7406966 >>7404656 Is that you Abraham?

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:24:02 2018 No.7407012
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>>7406767
Yeah, it seems the most effective way to apply to a job is through referrals. Applying to an online job posting is even more fruitless than replying to some online dating profile.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:24:26 2018 No.7407018

>>7406020
>A) god tier programmer with work to show for it
Literally 100% in every programming class I've ever had. Hobbies all involve programming.

Doesn't matter because when I was 18 I was a drug addict who failed a ton of classes as a liberal arts major. It doesn't matter that it was years ago and in irrelevant classes because cumulative GPA just averages everything together.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:24:46 2018 No.7407023 >>7406853 >learning rails in 2018 HAHAHAHAHA. dude what are you doing you're like a decade late on Ruby. React is the single best thing to ever come out of the web development world

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:24:54 2018 No.7407025 >>7405414 >he believes this to cope Let me tell you, as someone who has been on hiring committees, we decide based on interview performance. At some companies, packets are anonymous to reduce bias.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:25:06 2018 No.7407032 >>7404846 same

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:25:54 2018 No.7407050 >>7404656 I'm in accounting, we outsource you lazy fucks to India. Pajeet programs as well as you for half the cost and puts in double the actual work. I know how you operate. Canned 140 of you guys last year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:26:13 2018 No.7407059 File: 160 KB, 1000x1000, IMG_5048.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7406842 suicide postponed

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:26:18 2018 No.7407061 >>7407023 you realize you can use react on rails?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:26:36 2018 No.7407071 >>7407012 If you can find a career fair where big companies are attending, that's a good way to guarantee your resume is looked at

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:26:41 2018 No.7407074 Because I don't want to code. Because I don't give a shit about code. Why do you think? I'd rather gamble.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:27:27 2018 No.7407092 >>7406910 Eventually I'll stop cherry picking and just apply for every posting remotely tech related.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:28:01 2018 No.7407106 >>7407061 I could use React with Brainfuck if I wanted but that wouldn't stop it from being an abomination. Ruby is a disgusting language

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:29:28 2018 No.7407146 >>7407106 Web languages are brainlet tier

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:30:12 2018 No.7407164 >>7407106 w.e. mate you sound autistic perhaps i just dont have enough of those powers to be a web dev

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:31:06 2018 No.7407188 >>7407050 >Pajeet programs as well as you for half the cost Haha this is why my last company went under. Only hire whites and asians at my own.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:31:19 2018 No.7407196 >>7404746 Not in infosec. Anyone can get a ridiculously high paying job there. I know, the >giving real advice on /biz/ meme

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:31:20 2018 No.7407198

>>7407012
>Applying to an online job posting is even more fruitless than replying to some online dating profile.
Applying RANDOMLY to online job postings is nearly a waste of time.

If you apply to companies which you know are on a hiring spree, that you know are looking for a specific position, etc. or you just have a moderately impressive resume, then online postings are just as good as anything else.

For instance, my resume is basically tuned to get recruiter attention. I know that if I applied to 10 job postings tonight, I would get at least 2 calls by the end of the week, and that's just from doing some googling for open tech jobs in my area.

>>7407018
Literally zero hiring managers have ever cared about what someone did during class, unless it was truly groundbreaking. I'm not even exaggerating. The exact response you'll get when you say "I've done it in class before" will be
>Oh okay that's good, okay... so how about [the next thing on the list]

Then you won't hear back from them unless the politely send a rejection notice.

>>7407092
That's how you get in the door and figure out what works best in interviews, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:31:44 2018 No.7407212 >>7407146 fuck off cunt id love to just use a single language an not juggle 5 different sytaxes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:32:33 2018 No.7407225 >>7404656 Fuck I only get 60k as an entry level .NET developer. I've been at this fucking place for over a year now and haven't gotten a raise but I'm too autistic to apply for other jobs. How do I get a better paying job?

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:34:23 2018 No.7407266
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>>7407050
>Pajeet programs as well as you for half the cost and puts in double the actual work.
There are a few reasons you're wrong:
>Pajeet programs as well as you
Pajeet is less skilled than an American developer of the same experience. This is just a fact. Take a programmer from a 3rd party, and tell him to read Pajeet code vs. an American's code, and he will tell you the code is worse
Pajeet may eventually get the job done.. but...
>double the actual work
I think you mean double the actual hours. This is true, because he is unskilled, and will take forever to work his way through the workpile. He'll also leave a disgusting trail of bugs, ESPECIALLY null pointer exceptions.

Lastly Pajeets are known Yes-Men. They will say YES to anything the boss says, and then 3 days later when you come to get the work, he will tell you that he was unable to do it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:34:31 2018 No.7407271 >>7407212 You just demonstrated my point

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:36:14 2018 No.7407322 >>7407212 >5 different syntaxes Anon, this phrasing alone just gives away that you are a brainlet. If it's challenging for you to even consider using a different stack, you are better off learning a trade.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:36:16 2018 No.7407323 Remember folks, only hire whites and asians at your company if you want to have code that works. Doesn't matter if they are from romania or taiwan, just never hire pajeets, they can't code.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:37:20 2018 No.7407344 >>7407271 no I can easily write apps in a single language, web dev is more difficult.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:38:39 2018 No.7407377
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>>7407323
My best programmers have unironically been Russian/Slavic

The worst are native-born Chinese. Worse than Pajeets. They will unironically commit code that doesn't even compile, then when you yell at them, they will commit two more times before you finally get code that compiles.

Then you'll run it and get a null pointer exception that Pajeet re-committed after Chang fixed it yesterday.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:39:38 2018 No.7407398

>>7407198
Lol I literally just applied to one high tech internship near my home town, literally the next day I got a call to set up for an interview. Got the job offer less than a week later. I don't get how people have any difficulty finding a job/internship in the stem field, it's easy af

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:41:41 2018 No.7407456 >>7406388 Youre their bitch but you cant be a bitch. You always got to be Dependable when they need you but you cannot be a Yes Man.

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:45:02 2018 No.7407540
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>>7407398
Tons of people can't even get callbacks because their resume is absolute garbage. And I don't even mean the content of the resume... tons of peoples resume is unreadable garbage.

If you want to get a phonecall back, your resume needs to look like it was written by an HR person

>>7406388
If I had to quantify things that are important in advancing my career, more than half of it would come from being sociable.

If your boss thinks you are a creep, lame, or hard to work with, you're never getting promoted. And if a hiring manager, or people that interview you think you aren't someone they want to see every day, then you aren't getting hired.

So anon, go get a drink with your coworkers, and be NICE

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:51:30 2018 No.7407706

>>7407540
Yeah i think the whole sociable thing is what this board probably struggles with.
I'm in the same boat, I think most of the cool jobs/internships I've gotten have been from just talking about random shit and being interested and personable when talking to my soon to be employers, just gotta act like you'd be a fun guy to work with

Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:56:02 2018 No.7407806

>>7407706
I hope this is right, I'm a pretty social person but shit GPA (mid 2s, don't even put it on my resume) but I'm computer engineering. I've been applying to a ton of internships but I've only gotten 1 interview so far. But I do best in the interview because I can actually have a normal conversation

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:56:43 2018 No.7407832 File: 44 KB, 710x710, 1517626658999.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are the chances or getting starting a CS or Software Eng. degree at 26 yo assuming you're not retarded and then surpass the code monkey phase?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:59:08 2018 No.7407900 >>7407806 I've been in 50+ interviews since college(less than 3 years ago), I think I've been asked for my GPA twice, and only once did they want to actually see any proof I just tell them mine was 3.3, it's really like 2.9

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 23:59:58 2018 No.7407916 File: 79 KB, 960x458, dc4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Web dev is for fucking retarded brainlets. If you aren't doing low latency systems dev then you should literally kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:00:10 2018 No.7407923 >>7404656 Got way more than this in the Bay Area, no hate ^_^

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:00:26 2018 No.7407930 >>7407832 >chances of getting a degree Not that hard if you're smart, pretty hard if you're average or below >surpass the code monkey phase Difficult for anyone, requires real career finesse to become any kind of boss.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:00:29 2018 No.7407933 >>7407832 Doable, apply to a state school/state university so it's cheap. My state has 10k/year tuition. It's not that hard to get in assuming you aren't a brainlet

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:01:53 2018 No.7407966 >>7404656 Right how do I get into this with an Aerospace Engineering degree?

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:01:59 2018 No.7407968
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>>7407916
Lol what the fuck, 4chan just messed up and attached someone else's picture to my post. I attached a cute anime girl.

See this is the type of shit that web devs end up doing. Who the fuck buys VEN anyway, especially trading precious ETH for it

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:02:56 2018 No.7407990 >>7407968 Surprising that that still happens. I remember that bug from many years ago.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:03:03 2018 No.7407994

>>7407916
Web dev is for brainlets, but it's far and away the best way to enter the industry, and the vast, VAST majority of entry-level jobs are web development.

I tell anyone outside the industry, if they want to work in software, to start with web dev.

>>7407966
see >>7406268

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:03:04 2018 No.7407996 >>7407968 Also when I tried to attach the original anime girl picture it said I already posted that picture and linked to the ETH-VEN screenshot post as the duplicate picture. I must have discovered a hash collision in their image database.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:03:10 2018 No.7407998 >>7407900 You don't have to send them your transcript? Seems like most big companies request it

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:05:39 2018 No.7408056

>>7407998
>Seems like most big companies request it
I've seen this rarely, and it only happens under these circumstances

>you're applying directly on the company website, and
>you're applying to either a VERY entry level job or an internship

Plenty of job applications will have a box you type your GPA, but very few require a transcript, and I've only seen it in circumstances matching that greentext

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:06:03 2018 No.7408069

>>7407266
>>7407188
>hurr durr I are better because me white
Go the fuck back to /pol/. Even if they were half as good we just hire 3x as many and it is still cheaper. You fucks work 2-3 hours a day on average. We run variance analysis on your days against Pajeet. We run variance analysis on your projects against Pajeet. We give Pajeet the same jobs and he gets them done so much faster you wouldn't believe me if I gave you raw figures.

I will find you, and I will can the fuck out of you and get another raise for making our cost savings target, and I will laugh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:08:45 2018 No.7408121 I would love to learn to code. What are the best resources?

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:09:34 2018 No.7408133

>>7407930
Aren't there departments in charge of analyzing and designing the programs while others do the bulk of the coding? (Not manager or boss positions)

Also, I'm not murrikan, I'm euro, so idk how different it will be, but I am not retarded, I can learn coding. It's just that I've always thought I'd feel misserable if I had to code nonstop for a living.

What about the 'marketing', career route? (Doesn't have to be IT related, just marketing in general, and maybe sales).

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:10:53 2018 No.7408160 i dont get it how can you guys sit in your computer chair all day at home just to go back to some job which you have to sit in yet another chair all day

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:12:04 2018 No.7408192
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>>7408069
It has little to do with race, and more to do with experience and education.

Most Pajeets never learned to write code that is clean, or efficient, or tested in any way, or best practice, or matching style standards, or...

And what I said about them working longer hours is almost a universal truth. It is in their culture to make work take longer, because they make SO much less per hour that they need the extra hours.

>get it done faster
They will submit work sooner because it isn't finished.

Now I'm not saying that a Pajeet with 15 years of experience in a partcicular field isn't better than the average white guy. But those are so few and far between that it's laughable, because the good Pajeets with 15 years experience have all moved to America and become managers or DBAs.

>>7408121
The best resource is StackOverflow. Learn Model-View-Controller.

>>7408133
>departments dedicated to software architecture

No, the architecture of a particular application is usually decided in a few closed meetings by less than a dozen people, and really only a few of them have any technical input to give.

Code is written by individual engineers, and it is largely inspected by other individual engineers, but there is no "Department of Code Inspection" anywhere, because you can only TRULY inspect code if you know how it works, and that takes a lot of time and effort on large applications.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:12:12 2018 No.7408197 >>7407994 Is it easy to get web dev jobs? It might indeed be a good entry point for me, plus I could make some side dosh making some pages for small businesses.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:12:47 2018 No.7408209
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How difficult is to learn coding? I work using computer software all day, but never actually tried to program/code. I am not good at Math, I heard you need math :/ , anyway I am thinking of taking courses in my local community college, they offer Python and C++

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:13:24 2018 No.7408222 >>7404656 I'm a straight white male, they would probably not want to hire me anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:14:08 2018 No.7408244 >>7405890 Techies are viewed as liabilities more than assets at corporations. If you don't make it into management within 3 years, you're fucked. Usually companies promote a couple Americans to management and then replace everyone else with Pajeets.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:14:27 2018 No.7408253

>>7408133
Some companies have departments for this but it depends entirely on what you're working on. Does your company have one software product? No doubt if it's a big company it has an entire QA department that just runs tests on the program with nightly builds and things like this

Working on internal tools or backend servers for your company? They likely won't have this and you have to do it all yourself. You need to adopt a stance of being OCD to the point of feeling physically sick if your code isn't 100% tested and free of all issues and that is how you enter serious environments and make big bucks

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:14:30 2018 No.7408255

>>7408197
Yes, it's easy for web developers to find new jobs. I'm not saying it's EASY to become a good web developer, but there is a massive abundance of those types of jobs, and it is easy for a good web developer to get a new job if he wants to.

>>7408209
It's not terribly difficult to learn. Start with simple Python programs and see if you like it. Follow an online guide on how to set up your coding environment though, because that is sometimes tricky for the initial install. Google is your only friend.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:15:25 2018 No.7408275 >>7408209 Coding is math.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:15:34 2018 No.7408277

>>7408244
This isn't true and entirely depends on the company. At top companies like Facebook, Google, Microsoft, or Netflix, there are often parallel engineer vs. management tracks. Not every engineer is a good manager so they don't expect you to become one. If you're an autist who wants to code for the rest of your life because that's what you're good at, by God they're going to let you do it, and you get paid just as much. It's based on ranking and levels not management vs. non-management

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:15:56 2018 No.7408293 >>7408255 where can I learn to become a web dev and how long does it take?

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:16:27 2018 No.7408309

>>7408222
Wrong, white guys are the best software engineers. HR might not like you, but it is not hard to trick HR, because they are all flunkies anyway.

Getting past HR is the litmus test for any job interview process. If you're too dumb to get past HR, then you're too dumb to work there, and we don't want you.

>>7408293
Read this fucking thread I've said it 5 times. MODEL. VIEW. CONTROLLER. Go google it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:16:57 2018 No.7408322 >>7408244 Wow this is so wrong its hilarious. t. Software engineer at major company that knows how to utilize engineers of a variety of ages

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:17:45 2018 No.7408340 >>7408277 Go tell that to the Disney techies who got replaced with Pajeets.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:18:40 2018 No.7408361

>>7408253
How about programming freelancing or working from home eventually?

What about systems engineers in charge of installing IT systems in businesses?

I don't need to make a zillion of pounds, just enough to live comfy (not luxurious) without finantial broblems.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:19:26 2018 No.7408384 >>7404656 does Java count or do I need to know assembly

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:19:51 2018 No.7408392 >>7408309 How long should it take to learn?

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:20:30 2018 No.7408401

>>7408255
And what would you need to get hired for a web dev. job? Is experience enough, without studies?

Like, I could try to start making webpages or participate in online projects until I learn enough and then get hired (lying a bit in my cv if necessary), right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:20:33 2018 No.7408402 >>7408192 Model view controller sounds like some syntax in Swift kek

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:20:37 2018 No.7408406

>>7408209
If you aren't good with math, then you really need to be good at language and logic in general.

Just being real with you.
If you aren't good at logic, or don't want to learn to BE better at it, then you will never be much more than a code monkey should you go that route.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:20:51 2018 No.7408414
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>>7408255
Thanks for the Answer Anon, I hired some programming dude and hes getting me all the material for free I will give it a shot, I'm thinking of just going back to school full time and working part time to see how far I can get.My greatest fear is that I will be a total bra-inlet and not get the coding part like I said I suck at Math.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:20:52 2018 No.7408415 >>7408340 Disney Channel is not a software engineering company they're a fucking pump and dump art house

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:20:53 2018 No.7408416 >>7408392 >>7408309 I'm just trying to make 2k a month

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:21:08 2018 No.7408421 >>7404656 how the fuck? i live in silicon valley and im interning with Intel right now as a Software Engineer and theyre only paying me 77k. fuck u

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:21:54 2018 No.7408433

>>7408361
Freelancing then you have to do everything yourself anon obviously. Systems engineers in charge of installing IT systems in businesses are more like sysadmins not software engineers, it's a completely different job and not as elite as software engineering. To get to entry level software engineering pay as a sysadmin you have to do it for many many years and be way above average

Also everything pays way better in the US

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:22:15 2018 No.7408442

>>7408340
>Go tell that to the Disney techies who got replaced with Pajeets.

Disney will be sorry when their applications don't work very well, and take too long to develop. The American developers will find other jobs, and write good code somewhere else.

>>7408392
>>7408401
A month of practicing webdev to know your way around. A few months to get halfway decent. In half a year you should be good enough to be a contractor and get hired on smaller projects through sites like Upwork.

>Like, I could try to start making webpages or participate in online projects until I learn enough and then get hired (lying a bit in my cv if necessary), right?
Yes that is exactly correct.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:22:42 2018 No.7408451 >>7408421 Intel is among the worst employer on salary. And 77k in the bay area is just a bit above the minimum salary...

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:22:42 2018 No.7408452 >>7404656 Working as a jumbo operator in an underground mine. 180k a year base then got to add overtime and other allowances. Fuck would i do boring af tech work?

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:24:30 2018 No.7408481

>>7408402
MVC is the most common web application development pattern, it is probably commonly used in every language used for web development. Most major web frameworks have some sort of MVC.

>>7408414
Math is not important for much of programming. Stay away from quantitative work and you'll be fine.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:24:45 2018 No.7408489

>>7408442

>Disney will be sorry when their applications don't work very well, and take too long to develop.

See, the problem is that the people on top of the corporate ladder have no technical expertise. They don't care about your technical jargon when you're arguing why you're better than Pajeets. All they see is that they're willing to work for a lot less than you are.

By the time the damage is already done, these executives ill have moved to a different company.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:25:25 2018 No.7408504

>>7408452
You work in an underground mine and you get lung damage and have a high risk of death from falling rocks

I work in my own office with a door and a coffee machine and I can wear slippers to work and listen to music while browsing reddit as my code builds, and we make just as much as you a few years into our career, or immediately if you're better than me

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:27:16 2018 No.7408536
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>>7408481
Nice thanks, one last question what are the salaries like once you get good and skilled at it?? I live in Los Angeles hoping there is work down the line close to home.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:27:35 2018 No.7408542 >>7408451 yeah apparently. although the work isn't bad and I actually enjoy it. good company to work for but hopefully when they send me full employment offer i expect a little bit more. did you wager your salary with other offers?

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:27:58 2018 No.7408548

>>7408489
>By the time the damage is already done, these executives ill have moved to a different company.

I'm just saying Disney will suffer terrible diarrhea after replacing all their tastey American programmers with rotten Pajeets. The American developers will be fine because they can easily find other high-paying jobs. The 2-3 C-level execs who ran Disney will obviously be fine, but the thousands of middle-managers who oversaw the Pajeetificiation of Disney will have to suffer through the cutbacks.

It's not a perfect system, but good devs always survive longer than bad companies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:29:30 2018 No.7408568 >>7404656 Already did, for the biggest one in my city. Got praised non stop. And yes, of course I can program. Much better than pretty much anyone else in my region.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:30:37 2018 No.7408590 >>7408309 Ultimately I don't like MVC or frameworks or best practices because I always get to the point where it feels like I'm shoving a round peg into a square hole - there's always something right over the horizon coming to JUST a codebase.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:31:36 2018 No.7408607

>>7405890
nah, developers earn more than project managers, you just weren't a very good developer, and likely made up for it by being more decent with people. kinds like you are the utter failures, who aren't good for anything, choose software development, jack off that they have so much better social skills than those socially inept programming geniuses who they chose as their peers

if you're not a good developer but deep inside aware of your lack of capabilities therefore know you can't afford to be an asshole with people, you'll be crowned as a pm and literally everyone will look down on u behind ur back

https://medium.com/seeking-deltas/software-engineering-vs-product-manager-salaries-9564cd7e665f

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:32:39 2018 No.7408632 >>7408160 That's pretty much every high paying job? What, you'd rather work with your hands?

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:32:55 2018 No.7408639
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>>7408504
You clearly have no idea what i do for work. I sit in an aircon cabin browsing /biz and playing war robots why a preprogrammed 4 arm drill does its work on pre-blast points. All food and accommodation paid for. Super annuation, full insurance including dental. No dust cos aircon and filters.
Each to their own. I enjoy the work when its interesting. I understand why you wouldnt want to due to mining sites systematically bullying soyboys till they commit suicide or quit.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:33:30 2018 No.7408661

>>7406732
You don't need a CS degree. Something close suffices. I was a code monkey a while back with a math degree. My uni coding classes were 2 insanely basic/introductory c++ courses and some big data optional courses I took. I learnt all the coding I did on the job online. Not sure if those people checked the curriculum of your degree before hiring.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:35:41 2018 No.7408706

>>7406732
if you have reference, that's all they will care for.
if you can't program well, you can still land a good job with a good degree.
if you're good and can actually get projects done, you just need to put your successfull projects / your github on your CV and noone will care.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:35:49 2018 No.7408716

>>7408536
It honestly depends on where you work, for a few different reasons. Big-name companies typically pay more than lesser known companies. Software Engineers at Google make more than SEs at lesser-known companies, because Google typically tries to higher the BEST.

Secondly and more importantly it depends on your role. Obviously more senior-level engineers will get paid more than entry-level. That's because senior guys have a wider-scope technical expertise. Where a webdev might only be good at front-end, and have SOME ability to do back-end programming, a more senior engineer might have the ability to easily do both. Sometimes these types of engineers are called "Full-stack" engineers. The engineer-managers are called Principal engineers, they typically pull in $150K+. Webdev/front-end SEs make between 70-90K, Senior softwar engineers pull between 85-120K.

From most important to least in my opinion:

>The sheer scope of your high-skill areas. How much can you do, and can you manage OTHER engineers
>Years experience, goes hand in hand with the first point
>Ability to contribute on multiple areas of the project
>Ability to be REALLY good at at least one area of the project
>Ability to at least do front-end stuff
Then below that, you're entry-levle/intern-tier making ~40-60K

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:36:05 2018 No.7408723 File: 722 KB, 1150x750, 1517795799644.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >crypto dies >/biz/ goes back to talking about which wagecuck job is best I TRIED SO HARD AND GOT SO FAR BUT IN THE END IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:37:03 2018 No.7408748 >>7408723 Crypto died? Crypto is software, come learn with us anon and get into crypto for real, not as a cuck investor

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:37:14 2018 No.7408751 >>7408590 This makes no sense. With no knowledge of any frameworks or best practices, you're basically just Pajeet.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:38:41 2018 No.7408784 Why would I bother, I have 100k of link. I'm spending the rest of my days snorting cocaine and banging prostitutes

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:40:05 2018 No.7408823

>>7408607
You cannot compare Facebook and Google, and say that is indiciative of the industry as a whole.

FB, Google, Amazon, Microsoft etc. are competing for the BEST engineers on the PLANET. Their pay scales are way off, because they throw money at top-tier developers to leave their jobs and come work for them.

Go to the vast majority of companies in the US, and PMs are making more than most developers, except the most senior/principal engineers, who are literally managers of engineering departments/teams.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:43:41 2018 No.7408918

>>7408823

Even at those companies, salaries aren't really that great. $100k in NYC is chump-change.

You would make more by lifting and learning how to seduce female executives so you can get easy promotions.

You can literally earn $200+K/year just for flirting with girls in your office while programming beta losers do all the grunt work.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:45:24 2018 No.7408963
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>>7408716
Thanks Anon well Noted, I will give it my best shot. And I have a back ground as a Data Analysis Operations Manager, I should be ok working in big projects. Hoping to learn the basics asap.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:45:56 2018 No.7408978

>>7408918
>$100K in NYC

Son, top-tier SEs in NYC are pulling $300k+

I'm NOT saying that a LOT of people are. Not even close to a lot. But if you're only making $100K in NYC as a software engineer, you are most certainly a chump.

You're also commuting over an hour, or living in a fucking shithole.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:47:26 2018 No.7409020

Anyone have experience as a team lead? I'm currently working as a software engineer but after expressing my interest in advancing into a leadership role, where so far I handle out standups and sprint plannings. I basically like the idea of getting to do the work of software engineers during most of the day, but have some other responsibilities to liven up the day during those cycles that just end up monotonously debugging something. Only about 2-3 years out of college right now btw

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:47:46 2018 No.7409029
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>>7408723
Don't be Lazy Anon, programming is not Wage Cucking, it is the future. If you learn Code you can develop and get paid in your favorite shit coins Anon, join us and stop being a Neet Lazy Faggot. Learn at least the front end, that way when the market dives your not contemplating suicide with the faggot Redditors.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:50:03 2018 No.7409077 >>7408978 By the time your salary hits over $100k, companies will look for Pajeets to replace you. It's inevitable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:52:37 2018 No.7409123 >tfw only make 95k >want to work up the courage to ask for a sizeable raise since I feel like I've proven myself as being more than competent >only a couple of years out of school >don't want to get fired from my first job out of college what do

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:52:46 2018 No.7409125

>>7409020
Yes.

I have found it difficult to balance both management and engineering. I did both for a short while, but you'll find out that as a project matures and grows, the duties of management become too large for you to safely manage your time for the engineering tasks. You'll either:
>A) Take on less and less engineering and management duties will eventually become your full-time role
>B) Try to keep doing engineering, working long and longer and management cuts into your engineering time, and your engineering deadlines will start slipping because you're trying to fit 8 hours of engineering into the 2 hours you have between meetings

Maybe it's just me but I found it unmanageable to do both over the long-term, and my team became more efficient once I just handed off my engineering duties and spent that time looking for ways to maximize the throughput of my team as a whole.

>>7409077
>By the time your salary hits over $100k, companies will look for Pajeets to replace you. It's inevitable.
No codemonkey is making $300K in NYC anyway. I'm talking about principal-level engineers who are in charge of codemonkeys, and that's only part of their job.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:54:41 2018 No.7409170 I failed out if appacademy feels bad man

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:55:27 2018 No.7409181

>>7409123
Present your argument to your boss the same way you would implement a clean, efficient function in your code.

>give him parameters
>give him arguments
>write(or speak) it NEATLY and in a READABLE and UNDERSTANDABLE fashion
>use input parameters(your approach, your words, your tone, and for the love of god your FACTS) and arguments(the ways you manipulate these parameters) to produce the desired OUTPUT(a new salary that you actually want)

Don't overthink things, anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:56:55 2018 No.7409207 >>7404656 I have low-social skills and get eliminated in interviews despite my resume

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:58:44 2018 No.7409239 >>7409207 Literally your only hope is to brute-force your way to a decent job through sheer volume of interviews. Maybe if you do enough interviews you'll actually learn how to talk to people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:00:35 2018 No.7409272 >>7405017 You must suck at algorithms and whiteboard interviews then. There's plenty of resources for this. Cracking the Code Interview is one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:02:06 2018 No.7409306 >>7409207 Phenibut/phenylracetam/modafinil/caffeine/nicotine combo before an interview. You'll be the calmest, most comprehensible, confident motherfucker they've ever seen. Back to being an aspie 12 hours later though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:03:25 2018 No.7409344 File: 40 KB, 482x427, 1496107366518.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7404656 >109k internship >tfw i get 55k for a junior software dev position

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:03:47 2018 No.7409355
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>>7404656
Anyone know how much of a boost in salary promotions give you and whether you get a bonus, at the big companies like Google, Microsoft, Facebook, or Amazon? I'll be getting a promotion according to my boss in a couple months and I just want to know what to expect. Is this a big payday or just a meager boost in paychecks? I'm a new grad only working a bit over a year so far

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:04:21 2018 No.7409368

>>7407377
>My best programmers have unironically been Russian/Slavic

I wonder why this is not appreciated by big companies. There aren't as many programmers as pajeets but the some russian/ukrainian programmers are so good they'll easily replace 10 pajeets or even an infite amount because they make stuff possible pajeet could never achieve.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:05:06 2018 No.7409385

>>7408784
>Why would I bother, I have 100k of link. I'm spending the rest of my days snorting cocaine and banging prostitutes

I'm going to make a reconstruction of the halls of the mountain kings and fill it will gold coins and antique swords and throw conan themed orgies

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:06:33 2018 No.7409415 >>7407916 alles sollte low latency sein!

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:06:59 2018 No.7409427 >>7407196 My buddy who is an engineer at UPS was talking about going into infosec and was convincing me to as well. Is it really that easy to get a job?

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:07:04 2018 No.7409430

>>7404656
every single one of my dumb small businesses makes me 100k a year and i literally work 1 hour a week. most of my employees don't even know who the fuck i am when i login to the slack channels. programming is the biggest cuck job there is... you literally make others millions and think you're winning.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:08:44 2018 No.7409470

>>7406153

I worked in several start up biotech/meddevoce companies up to one of the big three pharma. Just being compatent and having a solid set of references and work history will get you in the 200k management. Drug companies have very incompatent management.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:10:11 2018 No.7409511 File: 50 KB, 512x397, 1448495524251.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7409470 >compatent >very incompatent

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:10:33 2018 No.7409527

>>7409368
I can think of a few reasons.

>sheer volume of Pajeets
The population of Eastern Europe is less than 300M. India is like 2 BILLION. Even if the tech industry was as saturated in Eastern Europe as it is in India(it's not) they would still have over 5x as many. programmers. I can't even guesstimate how much more popular IT is in India than it is in east europe, but i'll just say it's WAY bigger per capita in India.

>desire to leave
Would you rather live in Eastern Europe or India? Indians want to leave India more than anything else in the world. I think they'd rather die than stay in India. The only reason they study programming is to LEAVE THEIR HOMES AND NEVER COME BACK.

Eastern europeans by comparison are happy living where they are.

tl;dr it's cheaper to hire indians, and indians just want to leave india, eastern yuros not so much. and theres WAY more indians. WAY WAY more.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:11:45 2018 No.7409552 File: 52 KB, 503x519, 1508475212616.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >wagecuck thread is over 200 replies this is fucking disgusting

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:12:33 2018 No.7409562 >>7409552 half of them are me anon, i drank way too much caffeine today.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:13:18 2018 No.7409579 >>7409552 >Faggot thinks buying crypto alone gets you lambos >Doesn't realize that the more money you have to buy crypto, the more crypto gains you get

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:14:11 2018 No.7409594 >>7404656 I watched anime all throughout college and now I have a CS degree and cant program for shit wat do?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:15:32 2018 No.7409618 File: 81 KB, 403x195, 1456368026802.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7404656 Can I still get an internship after getting my bachelors? I know, I fucked up and didnt get many internships while I was in school

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:17:22 2018 No.7409657 >>7409579 doesnt matter how much i put in at this point, it will barely make a dent in my portfolio

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:18:04 2018 No.7409676 File: 102 KB, 1280x720, 1457325816569.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >fuck around in school and be lazy >still get SV job making 115k and some stock >could be making more at better company I wish I could go back in time.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:19:29 2018 No.7409703

>>7409618
Depends on the company and position... many internships are only open to current undergrads. Others don't have any restriction, and you can just tell the interviewers that you're looking to learn more because you want to jump into their industry/niche.

Fuck there are even internships that only hire grad students/Ph.D's

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:21:31 2018 No.7409748 >>7404656 MSR doesnt give return offers tho, make sure to hustle hard to get a return offer from a real ms team.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:22:04 2018 No.7409758 >>7409170 how was it. whyd you fail out? brainlet?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:28:42 2018 No.7409918 >>7409355 http://levels.fyi dumbass, and your company will probably have an unofficial group discussing all of this somewhere.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:31:51 2018 No.7409986

>>7409758
I don't know, I guess it was just too much and I was sleep deprived. I don't think we'll in such situations. Also programming requires a more symbolic way of thinking , if you're visual like me it takes longer to sketch out all the relationships in your head. I dont know what to do now, already quit my previous job to do the bootcamp

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:35:01 2018 No.7410063 >>7405921 >prior internships W-what? Is this a thing in burgerland?

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:36:05 2018 No.7410096

>>7409758
But regarding how was it, it's okay, if you learn under pressure and low sleep you'll do well. They have tests every week and if you fail 2 you're out. Tests are mostly memorization but it takes times away from learning. Idk works for some didn't for me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:36:25 2018 No.7410104 >>7404656 Cause I’m balls deep in the mech engineering sector already. Screw it though I think engines are fuckin cool

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:38:12 2018 No.7410149 >>7410063 a tech internship is synonymous with entry-level "job" He basically means "you've done real work before"

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:50:23 2018 No.7410392

>>7409272
I've never made it to a whiteboard interview nigger. Though I had online coding assessments before. I practiced for months out of CTCI and Leetcode before applying for jobs. I've come to the conclusion I will never pass a coding interview at Google and Facebook and Amazon and whatever other companies that think they're hot shit by conducting these interviews. It's cool though, I'd rather not subject myself to months-long interview process that deals with that stupid shit.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:51:01 2018 No.7410406

>>7404656
I'm really really poor in a shit country, I can't afford college or certificates. It fucks me up that people that don't know shit about tree algorithms will learn while being paid. I've managed to be hired for small jobs and I really enjoy it but what's actually letting me eat is being a guide for tourists and using a mop in a hotel.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:53:19 2018 No.7410461 File: 54 KB, 873x410, a.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7410096 thought ruby was a meme now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:58:08 2018 No.7410561 File: 52 KB, 278x319, 1506631342219.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7410461 >advanced algorithms

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 01:58:24 2018 No.7410573 File: 47 KB, 913x327, jej.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7410096 also what was the split of trannies/refugees in your cohort?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 02:00:31 2018 No.7410611 >microsoft research Those positions are for people getting PhDs, not undergrads.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 02:02:08 2018 No.7410646 >>7410573 Tell them that you identify as a black woman.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 02:08:41 2018 No.7410795 >>7408978 b-but if SEs @ google in silivon valley top out @ 275k / yr, and facebook @ 210k banks pay devs that much higher than google & facebook?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 02:12:02 2018 No.7410863 >>7410795 275k is for the "senior" level which is around the 50th percentile. The "staff" level which is at the 20th percentile gets you 400k.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 02:18:10 2018 No.7410982 >>7405749 >>7405601 Also interning at Amazon this summer, stay strong fellow bizfags. Just hoping it's not as cucked as every other west coast tech company.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 02:22:01 2018 No.7411043 >>7410795 "Top out"? SE's at Google/Facebook in the bay area can pull $400K total comp (annual bonus/salary/RSUs) without including the signing bonus.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 02:24:54 2018 No.7411102 LOL I've been trying to get one for a whole year now

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 02:42:01 2018 No.7411419

The #1 criteria for most companies when hiring is previous experience. If you don't have any, then build some through open source contributiions on github, or create your own project/app/website/etc.

To those of you saying you need to be a genius to get into a big tech company, you do not. You just need good critical thinking skills and a good grasp of your language/platform - most developers in this industry are terrible and lack either or both. I've worked with many ex/current-big 4 coworkers, and they're smart & capable but certainly not geniuses.

Yes, you'll most likely need to practice algorithms and whiteboarding. It may seem pointless, but it's a cheap way for companies to weed out applicants and a semi-effective way to test critical thinking. The big 4 are flooded with applicants, so if you're serious about getting hired it's just a hurdle you need to overcome.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 02:54:24 2018 No.7411651 >>7409470 That would be nice. I hope our thing takes off so I can make it my career, but if not I would settle for management somewhere. I really don't enjoy actual engineering as much as managing projects.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 02:58:37 2018 No.7411706 19 and taking my first coding class in CC. If if I stick with this at what point do I seek internships?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:00:54 2018 No.7411754 >>7411706 After two semesters.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:01:26 2018 No.7411763 >>7409427 Would also like to know... That's actually kinda what I want to do anyways

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:01:34 2018 No.7411765

>>7411706
First you want to switch to a full university, even a standard reputable state university. Community college CS courses are almost always shit without exceptions

Most importantly though, you should be seeking internships immediately and applying to every one you can get an application for indiscriminately. It takes no time to apply, just do it

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:04:58 2018 No.7411832 >>7411765 >>7411754 Thanks for the responses. I’ll look into these suggestions promptly.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:08:30 2018 No.7411916

>>7411706
You should be coding non-stop - always keep learning and working on side projects in your spare time.

Technically you can get an internship without a degree, albeit it'll be harder - you just need to show that you're passionate, smart, and can code well. Once you get your foot in the door and have an internship/job under your belt, education/degree starts mattering much less and eventually not at all.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:12:33 2018 No.7411985

I'm a couple math classes away from my AA in CS. I just started to pick up AWS and wan a get certified. I saw someone here say that with the solutions architecht certification and knowing Python that they get calls from recruiters all the time. Anyone know if this is true? I really need a job. Willing to spend whatever on certs and have the time to study and do my own projects. Also plan to start learning ngnix and I know some SQL. I've heard those things are also highly in demand.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:15:51 2018 No.7412054 >>7404656 because I'm not a fucking nerd, nerd

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:26:22 2018 No.7412266

>>7404656
Because I started my own business, and got actually payed for doing more interesting shit, and getting REAL real-world experience. Then I sold it, and got into a consulting role with a global firm around 3 to 4 years ahead of what my peers would expect to get.

Don't go for internships, demonstrate drive. Learn your tradecraft and learn it well, then demonstrate your competency and confidence by making something of it.

I G U A R A N T E E you it'll make you stand out as the first person to be interviewed. Doesn't matter how successful your business is, the fact that you started one is what counts.

If you don't want to start a business, demonstrate your proficiency by volunteering. I did this as well, and it lead to job offers from federal agencies, recognition from global top 50 companies; and networking / friendships with experienced people who would vouch for me.

Just start something yourself, literally have the "fuck it - I'm going to do something" mindset - and do something. Put your skills to productive use and make something that you can show off. You'll become a better person and thank yourself for it in the long run.

Good luck all!

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:27:54 2018 No.7412290 >>7412266 How did you come up with the idea for a business? That's where I always get hung up. I know all the theory but get stuck on finding a profitable idea/niche.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:31:19 2018 No.7412360 File: 36 KB, 657x527, 1512439125635.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw brainlet >no one to blame but myself

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:33:55 2018 No.7412399

>>7412290
Here's the basics:

>Find something you love
>Find something you're good at
>Find a problem

Then, find something that intersects all three. Here's what I found:
>I love cyber security
>I'm good at hacking and OSINT
>People I know are always getting hacked
Business? Make yourself unhackable. Started doing that - then found a business partner by chance, he invested in the business and we formed a company. Started doing background checks and fraud investigations, then got offers for venture capital (THEY approached US). Within under a year, I went from my own laptop in my room at 17 years old in uni, to doing background checks for Government organisations, security architecture consulting for tech firms and fraud investigations for business owners in four continents. Was awesome times but fucking intense.

The best reflection I've noticed now is how fun it is. I was working, no bullshit, minimum 14 hours a day for four years, and studying for a bachelor at the same time. I was so fucking stressed, so tired and worn out, but loving every single second of it.

When I got a full-time job it felt like I was on holiday, which is when I realised I made the right decision to sell my business. But I couldn't have got to where I am without it.

Happy to help give any other tips in starting one that you might need!

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:34:09 2018 No.7412404 >>7412266 Nice larp. Nobody gives a shit about your failed fidget spinner dropshipping business or your volunteer work at the animal shelter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:36:52 2018 No.7412452 >>7412399 I guess my biggest problem is a lack of things that I love. Fuck I love finance and trying to understand the markets, and I'm good at programming. I guess I just need to find a finance problem.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:40:07 2018 No.7412522

>>7412404
>dropshipping
Wrong, though I did start three dropshipping sites later - and made $2k in the first week they went live

>volunteer work at animal shelter
Completely wrong

Don't have to believe me, don't even have to take the advice; but think about it. Do you think that a partner at a big 4 or any other firm is going to look DOWN on someone who has the initiative to start their own business with their skills? Do you think they'd ignore someone who's demonstrated their craft consistently and ardently for years? Or would they prefer another one of the thousands of applicants who went to uni, got a degree; and applied?

Mark my words man, if you put your skillset to productive use; you'll skip internships and get straight into real, interesting roles.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:40:58 2018 No.7412535

>>7404746
Yep. CS hiring is a huge meme.

>go to college
>not enough, need internships
>internships are even more competitive than the job applications
>literally need to have gained programming experience in high school to even have a shot at an internship
>have any setbacks along the way like a normal person? "lol you can get fucked we want code monkeys to work 200 hours a week"

CS as a discipline is still breddily good, though. Just companies being shitty.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:42:05 2018 No.7412560 >>7412522 What kind of volunteering should I do to boost myself while I try to build a business?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:42:34 2018 No.7412570 >>7405017 If you're getting past the ATS, you're already doing good. Just need to practice at least one coding problem a day. Leetcode on easy-mid level (don't bother with hard) will set you up well.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:45:58 2018 No.7412624

>>7405380
If you're living with roommates like a stereotypical 20 something, then yeah it's high income.

Also, keep in mind that Redmond is still largely late 1970s suburbia mixed in with some blueberry bogs. If you're renting out an old rambler with some friends and aren't blowing thousands of dollars a week in Bellevue like a noob, Redmond is super doable.

Source: Grew up in WA state.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:46:07 2018 No.7412629 >>7412399 >crypto >crypto >crypto Actually though I’m learning solidity right now and love it but no way in hell could I spend 14 hours a day on this shit

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:46:16 2018 No.7412631

>>7412522
I don't know what "big 4" you are taling about but in the tech world for entry level positions no one gives a fuck what you've done besides the HR drones filtering out the applications with automated software. Once you're at the interview stage they only care about your technical skills.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:47:35 2018 No.7412644

>>7412452
>Love finance
Awesome, this is surprisingly rare
>Good at programming
This is already a fantastic mix with the above
>Need to find a finance problem

Well I know nothing of big finance, but here's some finance problems I can imagine the average joe would face...
>saving money is hard on a tight budget
>earning more money is hard
>understanding the best ways to save and earn money is hard
>side expenses are hard to track, when there's a lot of them

Here's some solutions you could make:
>A simple app that allows you to input your weekly income
>Calculates averages, based on your location, of what the typical person on that income spends on transport, food, bills, rent etc. etc.
>Determines what you're overspending on
>If possible, interacts with your banking app so (whenever it opens for example) it reminds you to "Put 'x' in savings account!"
>Could even recommend best account types to open based on the bank you use
>Provide practical advice for scheduling saving deposits, based on a reasonable savings amount for people in your location and income bracket
>It could push specials / discounts on things like nearby groceries, to help you stay within a defined budget

These things most likely already exist. Here's where the Unique Value Proposition comes in. What's going to make yours different?

Perhaps the fact that it could tailor every user's experience directly to their location? Perhaps it could anonymise users, and let you know what real people who use the app, in your area and income bracket, are spending their money on? Or how they budget, to learn from others? Maybe it's just ultra-sexy and user friendly, and has good social-selling marketing behind it? Maybe you get incentives for getting your friends to save money by using the app? Maybe it pushes, as a reward for saving; discounts to popular services like Uber Eats?

Anyway, there's a brain dump. Maybe it'll help you follow that thought-process.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:48:13 2018 No.7412652 I'm microelectronics process engineer in one of the biggest and most advanced RTO in the world. My internships were in a missile factory and a microelectronics fab.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:48:22 2018 No.7412655 >>7412522 Do you think there's money to be made in learning blockchain development and smart contracts and being like a freelancer/contractor for that? Just throwing ideas around

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:50:00 2018 No.7412681 >>7412652 And yet you make less money than some Pajeet at Facebook shitting out Javascript and PHP.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:52:00 2018 No.7412721
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>>7412644
Thanks man. This is really making me think of a bunch of ideas now just reading yours.

I hope I can make it. And if I don't who cares I will have fun along the way.

The first thing I NEED to do is cut down on my 4chan I think.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:52:25 2018 No.7412727

>>7412560
It depends on your chosen field. If you're into systems administration, I'd look at reaching out to local Not-For-Profits and presenting them with a CV, and an offer to help for 'x' hours a week solving whatever IT issues they have. If you're into programming, I'd do the same for NFP's and offer to help them with any needs they may have, be it web applications or app maintenance or whatever.

If you're a graphic designer, reach out to local NFP's (think bigger ones like management institutes, finance forums, retail associations or healthcare assistance) and offer any assistance for free, for 'x' hours per week.

I was into security, so I went and EXTREMELY DELICATELY reported vulnerabilities to Government and large organisations. Funnily enough, I reported a persistent XSS in Mt. Gox, and got a thank-you email from their vice president. Wish I still had it, it would have made history. Was only a few weeks before they died. But yeah I did that for ages, very delicately providing NON-INTRUSIVE and non-destructive vulnerability reports, and got confirmation from my government's CERT that it was okay to do so. Reported them in police, military intelligence, and very important sites. Even a casino once. Got me a thank-you letter and care package, with the letter asking to hire me once my degree was finished, hand-signed by our country's CERT director (a big deal, since they're so secretive, and the director has an intelligence background).

Think of ways along those lines where you can help.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:53:09 2018 No.7412739 >>7412681 Probably but given the material and free research time I have a few patents on the way, and a startup project in a very, very hot field.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:55:35 2018 No.7412772

>>7412655
Absolutely there's money to be made. The SEC just spoke publicly about the huge, revolutionary and world-changing opportunities at hand through blockchain development and smart contracts.

In 15 years time, when airports are using Blockchain for weather data, when insurance companies are using Blockchain for speed readings, when police are using Blockchain for forensic application, when cyber security applications are using Blockchain for public key encryption, when applications are using Blockchain for authentication, when cloud hosting providers are using Blockchain for traffic analysis, when retail firms are using Blockchain for validating their till balances, when audit firms are using Blockchain for invoice validation, when manufacturing firms are using Blockchain for product quality control, when freight companies are using Blockchain for logistics handling, when GPS providers / Google Earth are using Blockchain for positioning data, when global advertising conglomerates are using Blockchain for audience demographics, when companies are using Blockchain for directorship votes, when banking conglomerates are using Blockchain for transaction assurance, when oil titans are using Blockchain for contract assurance, when nation states are using Blockchain for census data, when governments are using Blockchain for voting polls, when armies are using Blockchain for command and control verification, when the UN is using Blockchain for voting for permanent 5 members, you'll be set for life if you can demonstrate your proficiency with it.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:55:52 2018 No.7412779

>>7412631

This is literally my life story. Have a classics degree (useless), learned programming, built a portfolio of freelance SPAs I made as a side hustle, included my little ethereum project (a shitty gambling web app I built looking up some basic solidity documentation)

I took that to a big 4 interview and now I'm a tech consultant making just over six figures a year. I barely do any coding. Mostly Excel work and CRM/BA type shit (Salesforce, mulesoft, Appian etc)

My interviews were technical, but they cared alot more about my communication and people skills

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:56:14 2018 No.7412783 what are your thoughts on coding bootcamps, will I be able to find work with that (assuming a work hard in the course and excel)

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:56:19 2018 No.7412785 >>7408452 >Down here salt is a way of life...

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:57:27 2018 No.7412800 >>7412779 That sounds so comfy. I can do programming but it's honestly a pain sometimes. Working with people is much nicer.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:57:32 2018 No.7412802

>>7404656
I did internships in the tech sector. Then I decided to go to grad school like a fucking idiot but am too self-conscious about looking like a sell-out to dropout and go back into industry to actually make money. Really sucks because I just want more money to buy more crypto, and by the time I have my PhD (expected 2022) it will be too late. Typing this out is the first time I am really thinking about this holy fuck I'm depressed now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:57:41 2018 No.7412806 i'm white but not american ergo internships in my country pay 20k a year and chances to immigrate to the US are 0

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:58:56 2018 No.7412828 >>7412779 "Just over six figures" as a "consultant"? You must be talking about some other big 4. Anyone who is desirable enough to be hired as a "consultant" at Microsoft would be making at least 400k a year.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 03:59:58 2018 No.7412850

>>7412783

Have some friends who did them and got great jobs. My advice,

Don't tell people you came from a boot camp. Build a little portfolio and brand yourself as a self taught guy with a lifelong interest in programming. That story makes you a lot more desirable than being a boot camp grad (can work against you in a lot of cases unless you come from the handful elite ones)

They can definitely teach you the basics you need to be employable and get your foot in the door somewhere which is by far the hardest part

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:00:17 2018 No.7412857 >>7412772 The way you write gives serious inspiration my dude. Seriously, thank you. You just lit a fire under my ass

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:00:48 2018 No.7412863

>>7412779
Exactly the point I'm trying to make here:>>7412266 and here:>>7412522

>Mark my words man, if you put your skillset to productive use; you'll skip internships and get straight into real, interesting roles.

The proof is in this anon's pudding.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:01:29 2018 No.7412878 >>7412828 By big 4 I'm talking the accounting/finance b4, not the tech ones. I forget there's a tech big 4 all the time, heh

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:02:07 2018 No.7412889 >>7412802 You only get one life anon, make hella cash now and people with PhDs will be working for you later. Better to look like a sell out than not capitalize on one of the best opportunities of your life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:03:13 2018 No.7412921 >>7412857 Best of luck my dude; you're gonna make it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:06:12 2018 No.7412975 >>7412921 do you know of any resources that teach how to develop/program blockchain? i've found some good smart contract resources but nothing yet for blockchain, would like to learn

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:10:03 2018 No.7413059

>>7404746
Yep. No point in even applying nowadays unless you're either
a) a visible minority
b) a woman

Knew a guy who coded some shit for libuv (the node.js event engine) and he went through dozens of interviews before getting rejected from all those large companies. Needless to say he is an asian male. It's all good though he's got a 250k job working for a mid size company in the bay area. Only had a couple interviews to go through to get it, too.

But, yeah, if you're not a minority or woman or autistically good with logic there's no point in going into software engineering anymore. You'll make more wayyy more becoming a lawyer or an accountant.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:10:51 2018 No.7413071

>>7412975
I wouldn't have a clue.

But if I had to give my advice, I would suggest the following:
>familiarize yourself with C/C++ with OpenCL or CUDA for GPU programming
>Experiment with python, Node.JS, Python

Look at this:
https://www.gitbook.com/book/programmingblockchain/programmingblockchain/details
>Programming the Blockchain in C#

Here's IBM's Blockchain 101 for developers
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/cloud/library/cl-ibm-blockchain-101-quick-start-guide-for-developers-bluemix-trs/index.html

Here's how to learn Solidity, the language which Ethereum is built on
https://blockgeeks.com/guides/solidity/

Google is your friend. Good luck man.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:18:44 2018 No.7413226

>>7412889
You're right. There is no reason for me to not just start applying for jobs right now, and drop out if I can land a good one. I even have a standing offer from one of the companies I interned for (though it is contingent on me getting my masters which won't happen until June). That should make the transition easier.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:30:52 2018 No.7413498 >>7412850 thanks for the heads up

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:35:46 2018 No.7413597 ah yes, it's about time to discuss how companies are evil for wanting to hire qualified and experienced personnel how should we solve this insidious problem in our tech sector?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:37:21 2018 No.7413631 >>7413071 >familiarize yourself with C/C++ with OpenCL or CUDA for GPU programming >2 years later

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:38:02 2018 No.7413655 If you're a fag will you get diversity bonus on hiring and how can you make it known? Should I list volunteering at LGBT orginization or something on resume?

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:39:10 2018 No.7413673

>>7412772
Anon I've been getting into the tech side of crypto more recently and this post has 100% inspired me into doing so. Fuck everything else, I am going to be proficient in crypto to the point where I can implement my own crypto from scratch off the top of my head if I have to, and I'll die trying otherwise

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:41:12 2018 No.7413715

>>7413655
Nah, unless the partner of the division in the firm you're applying for is gay.

The head of the firm I work for is a woman, and she's the head for a reason. Downright straight to the point, hates all this political correctness bullshit; reckons the whole "white male privilege" thing is the biggest waste of time imaginable. Hires on merit, and spots that virtue signalling from a mile away - as most of those types can.

Be genuine in what you're doing. If you're genuinely interested in volunteering at an LGBT organisation, go for it; but don't do it for better chances.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:41:43 2018 No.7413722 >>7413715 I would only list if for a company like google.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:44:37 2018 No.7413781 >>7413071 I think PL theory would be better than GPU stuff. Tough problem is designing language for dapps and similar that is for example safe, unlikely to result in critical errors, amenable to static analysis, etc...

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:47:06 2018 No.7413824 >>7413673 Any recomendations for someone who's looking to get started in the tech side of crypto?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:50:21 2018 No.7413898 >>7404656 I unironically don't know how to code

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 04:55:10 2018 No.7414013

>>7413824
First study computer science and software engineering principles, distributed network protocol theory, things like this. You can't get around it. There is no "studying the tech side of crypto" there is only "studying computer science and professional software engineering" and then gaining a specialized interest in crypto

It's easy for me because I just kind of read it and everything makes sense but if you don't have the background it will be really hard.

Assuming you are already a professional software engineer, then to start out understanding Bitcoin alone read "Mastering Bitcoin" by Andreas Antonopoulus and this is a good baseline for all crypto

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