/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.6957645]

Are you even a vegan or at least a vegetarian? Do you have any idea how bad excessive meat is to you? Seriously, I eat meat at most once a month and feel fucking great

[Anonymous No.6957677]

Enjoy your b12 deficiency, soyboy

Also hunting your own meat is the healthiest and most humane way to consume it

[Anonymous No.6957706]

Is pic related you?

[Anonymous No.6957733]

>>6957645
If vegans were at least a bit business savvy they would create products that can rival meat instead of going around virtue signaling like the little faggots that they are.
I'm not eating meat because I enjoy killing animals. It's simply tasty and nutritious. Give me a vegan substitute that's better and I'll never look back.

[Anonymous No.6957740]

>>6957645
SILLY SOYIM

[Anonymous No.6957870]

>>6957733
Pulled oat is pretty good. Soy is basically the same than minced meat. Overall though nothing comes even close to a proper steak or something.. and you can eat them.. just not fucking every day/week.. your body will thank you. Also, more fish/seafood than other types of meat

[Anonymous No.6957983]

>>6957645
vegan bro here

>>6957677
u know u can take b12 supplement

>>6957733
Tofurkey is shit but there are a lot of good meat substitutes. Beyond Burger is the most realistic thing yet; legit has blood and turns from pink when you cook it. Tastes great.
Lab grown meat is coming soon too; once that's perfected enough meat agriculture is dead.

[Anonymous No.6958055]

>>6957983
I'm really a semi-vegetarian as I do eat meat about once a month and fish almost every week.. also dairy products almost every week.. this is the patrician way of life

[Anonymous No.6958107]

No point in not eating meat unless you just care about animals feelings.

https://www.reddit.com/r/environment/comments/43eb3o/as_the_world_tackles_climate_change_is_meat_off/czhs52u

[Anonymous No.6958137]

>>6957645
Fuck off, vegans and vegetarians are cancer.

[Anonymous No.6958143]

Vegetarian here. Get the fuck off this board you dumb nigger.

[Anonymous No.6958149]

>>6957870
This is my approach. No moral objections to meat whatsoever. Purely health- and consumption-related. Have meat at most once a month, and only ever when I'm out.

The amount of cash I've saved is astronomical too. Though I don't eat any of the pricey substitutes.

[Anonymous No.6958195]

let these unhealthy faggot retards die early from thinking that eating oiled up red meat every day is good for them. durr paleo

[Anonymous No.6958271]

>>6957740
what if i told you that not just dairy but meat too is more estrogenic than soy?

[Anonymous No.6958483]

>>6958149
Sorry, there are no health benefits to a vegan or vegetarian diet

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25149402

[Anonymous No.6958584]

>>6958149
Same. I have no moral objections for eating meat. I'm just not eating it very often because it's bad for you. My cholesterol used to be really fucking high and I was on my way to my first heart attack before turning 50. Now I'm healthy as fuck.. cholesterol is really low, blood pressure is fantastic, etc.

[Anonymous No.6958646]

>>6957645
Vegan for 5 years. Powerlifting since 2014 and I could easily dismantle every single neckbeard on this board.
Eating meat looks like self-adulation for me these days, honestly heart attacks, higher diabetes risk, higher blood pressure and shit ton more. I can't look into the eyes of someone who eats meat, its just like looking at a mongoloid to stupid to understand anything.

Altho I'm pro vegan I don't like this topic on this board. This is has nothing to do with bisness at least until you provide any business idea or something.

[Anonymous No.6958677]

>mongol empire
>largest land empire of all time
>only ate meat and drank milk

do you want to be successful like these guys or unsuccessful like those that they defeated?

[Anonymous No.6958688]

>>6958483
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

There are clear health benefits in plant-based diets

[Anonymous No.6958733]

>>6958688
my wife is asian, her grandparents are 90 and walk up 2 flights of stairs every day. their diet is meat, fish, and vegetables. no processed shit though.

[Anonymous No.6958734]

>>6958677
Chinese Canadian reporting in. We'll eat anything, preferably animals that suffered excruciating pain before death. Nothing like it.

[Anonymous No.6958749]

>>6958646
At least we get our minds of the correction for a few minutes. Also, great business opportunity for muricans.. start producing pulled oat

[Anonymous No.6958786]

>>6958646
lmfao "I can't look into the eyes of someone who eats meat"

god you sound like a fucking sjw faggot. remember this: you are not special, you do not matter.

[Anonymous No.6958797]

The only reason to be a vegan or vegetarian is if you feel like your body does not want meat and only want vegetables.
People who are vegetarian or vegan because of muh animal feelings are fucking stupid or a girl.

[Anonymous No.6958815]

>>6958786
>I can't look into the eyes of someone who eats meat

thats because he has no test and he knows that even the most beta meat eater is more alpha than him

[Anonymous No.6958822]

>>6957677
avocados for the b and estrogen analogs are only found in soy sprayed with pesticides. similar to alfalfa sprayed with same that cows eat and deliver to you in bulk. soyboy.

[Anonymous No.6958863]

>>6957983
>Meat is bad for you
>You have to take supplements just to live, if you don't eat meat
Pick one. Pro-tip: It's the second one.

[Anonymous No.6958879]

>voluntarily being a soyboy because of muh health

[Anonymous No.6958916]

>>6958107
one of the most stupid posts I've read on reddit against veganism, pretty much excluding the biggest reason why meat production creates 10x more Co2 than any plant production alone.

[Anonymous No.6958930]

>>6958822
seaweed and yeast extracts has b12 too and with the the right nutrients our bodies create b12 anyways.

[Anonymous No.6958933]

>>6957983
And what do you think happens to cows when this happens?

[Anonymous No.6958961]

>>6958815
My testosterone is at 1018 ng/dL but I'm used to people like you who drink estrogen juice milk

[Anonymous No.6958991]

>>6958734
Is there actually anything behind that statement or is it just a high-tier chink joke? I've heard drinking the blood of a tortured creature should get you some kinda high due to the norepinephrine in the blood or something like that

[Anonymous No.6959012]

>>6958933
the production of them decreases over a period of time to a minimal

[Anonymous No.6959063]

>>6958786
"Powerlifters" are the r9k of lifting so dont be surprised.

Mostly ugly virgin neckbeards who masturbate to the thought of probably being able to win a fight against chad and hentai, all the while chad is busy fucking his oneitis.

Literally fedora tier autists

[Anonymous No.6959093]

>>6958930
no chick with an ass like that will ever love a vegan

[Anonymous No.6959098]

>>6958961
>such a soyboy he actually had to get his testosterone tested because he was that much of a limp-wristed, impotent, simpering meek
>tries to complain about milk, where the estrogens are immediately destroyed upon basic digestion
More soy?

[Anonymous No.6959116]

>>6958677
British empire was the biggest and all they did was drink tea and kill people

[Anonymous No.6959128]

>>6958961
you can't even punctuate in a way to make your sentence immediately understood. many people dont realize that test also improves brain function. obviously yours is fairly low.

[Anonymous No.6959147]

>>6958991
my wife is asian, when we visit her country we literally eat anything that swims, flies, crawls, or walks

[Anonymous No.6959199]

>>6959098
god damn you are so fucking retarded

>>6959063
I'm also boxing since I was 17 so probably I am able to win a fight against chad and autist you.
You are pathetic fatfucked dweeb, no need for further discussion.
go back sucking your own virgin dick while I indeed fuck the girls you will never have.

[Anonymous No.6959200]

>>6959116
the british empire was not a land empire. they also attacked with superior technology. the mongols were a land empire and won every battle by strategy and blood.

read "Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World"

[Anonymous No.6959217]

I don't think humans are meant to be vegan, but we're certainly not meant to eat animal products with every fucking meal either. The modern diet is completely upside down. We've made what should, for good reason, be luxuries into staples. I have meat maybe 2 times a week and dairy/eggs 3 or 4 times. It's called flexitarian but really it's just a healthy human diet.

[Anonymous No.6959231]

>>6959199
oh really, how many confirmed kills? nice larp, fag

[Anonymous No.6959232]

>>6959093
who tf would want a chick with an ass like that in the first palce

[Anonymous No.6959238]

>>6959128
>punctuate in american
idiot

[Anonymous No.6959272]

>>6959231
>you can't even punctuate
you don't see to realise this isnt german.

[Anonymous No.6959282]

>>6957733
Pic related

[Anonymous No.6959285]

What's fucking wrong with eating sardines???
I eat sardines every other day because they are cheap and bottom of the food chain.

I swear vegan mongs try to throw white meat and red meat in the same basket.

[Anonymous No.6959287]

>>6959217
imagine two plates of food. the first one is grains and vegetables and the second one is a big juicy steak. which one of those meals belongs to the slave class and which meal belongs to the ruling warrior class?

low cal diets are also associated with mind control

[Anonymous No.6959353]

>>6958933
factory farming is no longer sustainable
meat from free-range, happy cows continues to be a desirable luxury item

[Anonymous No.6959383]

>>6959287
well... where I'm from, there are no slave or warrior classes, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

also, lol.

[Anonymous No.6959399]

>>6959238
>>6959272
two posts by the same poster replying to the same topic.

obviously i hit a nerve.

for reference, your post should have read:

estrogen juice, milk

[Anonymous No.6959431]

>>6959383
you are unaware of the difference because you are in the slave class

[Anonymous No.6959455]

>>6959285
>What's fucking wrong with eating sardines???
extremly high amouth of heavy metals + decreasing the fish populations in oceans since you don't only get sardines in your nets but also different type of fish.

[Anonymous No.6959485]

>>6959399
>estrogen juice, milk
no, I meant it like I said it... estrogen juice milk. There is also almond, oats and coconut milk.
Estrogen juice milk = cowmilk

[Anonymous No.6959507]

>>6959455
>fish are more important than humans

i bet you unironically believe in climate change also

[Anonymous No.6959536]

>>6959485
your sentence would have been much more clear by adding the comma or by not including the word milk, which is implied.

[Anonymous No.6959549]

Jesus christ people are complete faggots these days, better go put a stop to all those carnivorous animals out there that eat meat too while we're at it and educate them on the health benefits of being a faggot.
Natural selection clearly isn't working for people anymore.

[Anonymous No.6959555]

Vegan masterrace here

/biz/ full of meat eating faggots

[Anonymous No.6959556]

>>6957645
My 3 years as a vegan are so far my worst and most embarrassing years of my life. I've made no money, I've lost the little amount of friends that I had, and all I did with my days was being an asshole over irc.
We are meant to kill animals, the same way I am meant to crush your hopes and dreams in finance with my titanium hands.

[Anonymous No.6959581]

>>6958483
>>6958483
I would say that there is no conclusive evidence in either regard. This is an uncertainty I'm happy with. Indeed, your study quite specifically states this (especially if you read the actual article).

As someone who has published papers in the field, I have never found conclusive evidence one way or another. My opinion is that this reflects individual heterogeneity that cannot be adequately qualified in a population-level study; regardless, I recognise that the benefits are likely to be modest, anyway.

[Anonymous No.6959588]

>>6959555
the only excuse for not eating meat is that you are saving all of your money for crypto

[Anonymous No.6959595]

>>6957677
This. I cut down a lot on beef and subbed in elk and deer. Crazy low cholesterol.

[Anonymous No.6959600]

>>6957645
the real red pill is to eat chicken daily and red meat tops once per week.

[Anonymous No.6959623]

>>6959455
High level of metals in "sardines"? Citation needed.

[Anonymous No.6959625]

>>6959217
>I don't think humans are meant to be vegan

[Anonymous No.6959640]

>>6959431
>>6959507
oh my god. you're actually, literally retarded

[Anonymous No.6959646]

>>6957645
>making a vegan thread right before Vechain made a cow partnerhip announcement
this guy is the new cocacolakid. Any other whispers, my chinese overlord ?

[Anonymous No.6959680]

>>6959588
Buy frozen meat and use spices.
Eggs and canned fish are cheap (besides tuna).

[Anonymous No.6959691]

>>6959640
refute anything that i have said or stfu. the fact is that you cannot. your mental energy is so low from your shit diet that you cannot debate without resorting to memes.

[Anonymous No.6959723]

>>6959507
fish are indeed more important to the planet than humans ever could, looking from the environmental perspective. Looking from our own perspective we are always on top but because we think so, it doesnt make it right.

[Anonymous No.6959744]

1. B12 is produced by a bacteria in the soil and is only found in meat of animals because they get also supplements in livestock. Only grass fed can maybe obtain it from the field. We simply just don't get it from our first anymore because our food is too clean.
2. Fish is not healthy at all. It contains all the waste that people throw into the ocean and has incredible high amounts of mercury in it. Omega 3 in the fish is just in there because of the algae they consume.
3. I could tell more facts. The list is endless.

[Anonymous No.6959762]

>>6959217
>we're certainly not meant to eat animal products with every fucking meal either
how exactly do you imagine pre-sedentary humans surviving on a vegetarian diet?
Please lay out a meal plan to get 2000 kcal/day without farming and with little meat

[Anonymous No.6959769]

>>6959691
you're talking absolute nonsense about slaves and warriors like we're living in ancient Greece, and you're a climate denier. There's no reasoning with this level of stupidity.

[Anonymous No.6959786]

>>6957645
Vegan with occasional fish thrown in 2-3 times a month
Anyone believing that it’s muh foodchain to throw helpless animals under the bus for fucking torture, abuse and captivation for non-existent nutritional benefits are fucking retarded
I’m willing to bet that I’m in a better physical and mental shape than all these neanderthals who think that red Meat is the building block of a balanced diet
I’ll be dancing on your graves when you die of a stroke before 60 while I outlive your children
And it’ll be with a good conscience since I’m not contributing to the agony of sentient beings

[Anonymous No.6959858]

>>6959786
>since I’m not contributing to the agony of sentient beings
you're certainly contributing to my agony with your posts

[Anonymous No.6959892]

>>6959858
And you are clearly not a sentient being so my point still stands

[Anonymous No.6959900]

>>6959744
Not all fish are the same you fucking mong.
Tuna and other large fish are bad in large quantities sure, but fish low on the food chain i.e sardines, are fine to eat regularly.

[Anonymous No.6959914]

>>6959769
i dont deny that climate changes, i question the orthodoxy that says that humans impact climate change to the degree that the orthodoxy says that it does.

it used to be "global warming" now it is "climate change." ever ask yourself why? the southern polar ice cap is larger than ever, things like that dont happen because of "global" warming.

if humans caused climate change, then how did the ice age happen? how did the sahara desert go from green to desert? humans didnt cause these and yet they were large scale climate change.

[Anonymous No.6959969]

>>6959786
these people are not smart enough to distinguish current reality from past. Kinda the same thinking with meat and being manly. There is nothing manly about going to the store to buy yourself a precooked burger.

As a vegan you are far more manly because you don't tortune innocent beings for nothing but taste. If you had to survive, any vegan would agree that killing an animal is necessary. Even hunting these days is easier than getting top 20 in CoD and you also dont do it for survival.

[Anonymous No.6960063]

[Anonymous No.6960141]

vegan fags in this thread got routed by meat eating warriors

luke 21:15
>For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.

[Anonymous No.6960192]

>>6959914
You fucking dumbass. The climate is always changing. We are causing it’s acceleration. To deny that we have any role is retarded beyond belief, you really think all the energy we consume and chemicals we release into the environment don’t affect the climate? Do you think the world would naturally be consuming it’s own resources so quickly without human industry? How much oil do camels in the desert dig up? How much electricity does your average lemur use per year?

[Anonymous No.6960215]

>>6959892
Nothing wrong with white meat in general if you're not eating tuna everyday.
Not a fan of lamb and only eat pork/beef in moderation. Would rather see my country (England) go back to being covered in forests instead of ugly fields in exchange for not being able to eat beef again. But sadly trees take fucking ages to grow so I don't give a shit.

[Anonymous No.6960245]

>>6957645
no cuz i live with my parents and they cook meat. Once i move out, yes, vegetarian.

Cheers OP for not falling for the BACON XD meme

[Anonymous No.6960291]

>>6960192
ok, how much do humans contribute to climate change. at what percent would it be changing if humans lived in absolutely primitive conditions?

[Anonymous No.6960297]

>>6960192
Do people actually give a fuck about climate change, or are they just paying lip service to a meme. I mean really you're going to be dead by the time it means anything so why should you give a fuck.
Seems to me you types just enjoy having something to whine over.

[Anonymous No.6960350]

>>6959914
See, you're just saying shit that's so ignorant it's not even worthy of a response. You're so deeply troubled by the idea that your way of life is wrong that you desperately regurgitate whatever ancient and thoroughly lame talking points the oil industry cooked up to lull you to sleep.

You're not even thinking about what you write.

>How could humans be changing the climate when the climate has changed without humans before?

Seriously?

protip: The level of carbon in the atmosphere has been one of the biggest determiners of climate over the ages. In fact, the last time atmospheric carbon was this high, the planet was very nearly sterilized. For an entertaining read on this and other topics, check out the book The Ends of the World: Volcanic Apocalypses, Lethal Oceans, and Our Quest to Understand Earth's Past Mass Extinctions

[Anonymous No.6960402]

>>6960297
>I mean really you're going to be dead by the time it means anything so why should you give a fuck.

if people do it, its for their children and their grandchildren.
Pro climate people usally dont do anything, just like anyone who wants to support africans with food.

[Anonymous No.6960462]

>>6960350
>posts a graph of mentions of a topic in a book
>thinks this proves a phenomenon

this must prove that phrenology was true in the 1840s

>In fact, the last time atmospheric carbon was this high, the planet was very nearly sterilized. For an entertaining read on this and other topics, check out the book The Ends of the World: Volcanic Apocalypses, Lethal Oceans, and Our Quest to Understand Earth's Past Mass Extinctions

damn dinosaurs factory farming and using aerosol cans

[Anonymous No.6960525]

>>6960297
Well, from an evolutionary perspective we should, given that propagation of our genetic line is essentially the purpose of evolution.

[Anonymous No.6960569]

>>6960402
>Having children
Why would you ever pay money to have to put up with things like those in your life. Furthermore why would you even want to force someone to live in this shitty world, simply selfish as far as I'm concerned.

[Anonymous No.6960601]

>>6957645
raw meat master race reporting in

[Anonymous No.6960610]

>>6960462
no, that was to address your sad, tired gotcha of "hurrr durr why is it climate change now when it used to be global warming hurr durr" as if that would decisively end the conversation even if it were true, which it isn't.

Go to your local public library and pick up a book, man.

Peace

[Anonymous No.6960630]

>>6960525
This is a nice sentiment except evolution isn't really doing much for us anymore since natural selection isn't removing the weak from the genepool anymore.

[Anonymous No.6960644]

>>6960610
lol. liberal fags btfo again

[Anonymous No.6960680]

>>6960462
oh yeah, and if you don't even know what the carbon cycle is then why even join this conversation?

[Anonymous No.6960711]

>>6960644
This is just sad. How old are you?

[Anonymous No.6960820]

>>6960630
Fair statement. If you do believe in climate change, however, then it could be argued that selection pressure would again be relevant in an era where our progeny are challenged by major climate events.

[Anonymous No.6960855]

>>6957645

Wrong. Vegan diets are among the unhealthiest diets that exist. The only reason why people often get "healthier" initially is because they stop eating processed food and drinking soda.

Many vegans actually become more obese because they replace the meat with carbohydrates, which are the actual cause of obesity and health problems.

Processed meat is bad but clean, grass fed meat is perfectly healthy. Humans have known this since ancient times. The ancient greeks knew that atheletes must eat alot of meat in order to be strong. When the british were in Africa they often hired masai warriors to fight for them (who basically only eat meat and bloodmilk) because their neighboring tribes who were more agrarian were too weak and lacked endurance for combat.

In terms of modern diets, the ketogenic diet (a high fat, meat based diet with little to no carbs and sugar) is among the healthiest. Obese people on the keto diet lost more weight without excercise than people who excercised while still being on the standard American diet. This high fat diet also raised good cholesterol leveles while lowering vldl levels, or bad cholesterol. People on this diet have shown more endurance and a constant stream of energy throughout the day as opposed to carb based diets where people had spikes and crashes of energy levels.

If you were actually to go vegan without supplementation you would develop precarious anemia in 4 year or less. Essentially your nervous system would start deteriorating.

Humans evolved eating meat and it is essential to being healthy. Children raised on vegan diets are often smaller, weaker, and have lower IQs than children who eat meat. Animal products, such as eggs, are some of the most perfect and nutritious foods a human can eat.

The real problem is refined carbohydrates, sugar, and shit, corn fed meat with nitrates. Clean grass fed meat, eggs from farm raised chickens, these things are some of the best foods to exist.

[Anonymous No.6960928]

>>6960680
seriously, who doesnt understand the carbon cycle. you are attempting to shift the conversation. the fact is that you have listed several "catastrophic" climate changes that had either no humans involved, or no modern human generated waste involved. humans could not have prevented these any more than we can prevent climate change in the modern sense. climate change is pushed by liberal news organizations as a way to make you feel guilt so that you are easily controlled.

this dude probably knows more about climate change than you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T43vc4NZUUc

>>6960711
36. i have 100k in the bank, am married and have a kid. i dont see how any of this matters for this conversation. i thought you were dropping out like you rightfully should

[Anonymous No.6960930]

>>6959217

Meat and eggs can and should be eaten daily. You actually have it upside down. Carbs and sugar are what should be eaten very sparingly, ideally not at all.

Dairy should be limited, although not cheese necessarily. Milk should probably not be drank as much, although goat milk is a better alternative than cow milk

[Anonymous No.6960956]

>>6960855
'Precarious anaemia' gave me a laugh.

[Anonymous No.6960995]

>>6960956

Autocorrect, Im on mobile, my bad.

[Anonymous No.6961093]

Meat eating warriors champions of this thread

[Anonymous No.6961104]

>>6960928
I'm gonna laugh my fucking ass off when your spawn disowns you for not giving even one shit about the fact that they're inheriting a broken planet and will probably die because of it. The end.

[Anonymous No.6961189]

>>6958688
Nope

[Anonymous No.6961244]

>>6961104
you just have to have the last word, dont you. lol

A. that is not going to happen
B. I am incredibly active in my sons life. I will teach him critical thinking and communication skills and, even if he disagrees with me on a given topic, he will be able to analyze and debate much better than you. If he his able to prove me wrong on a subject, I will conceed. You have not made an effective argument and therefore you are frustrated.

[Anonymous No.6961251]

>>6959581
Feel free to check out /u/gogge on reddit, someone who disagrees with you, is in the field, and cites all his claims. To say there isn't scientific consensus on this matter is ignorant.

[Anonymous No.6961329]

>>6959581
See here
https://www.reddit.com/user/gogge

[Anonymous No.6961430]

>>6958797
>>6958483
educate yourself brainlets
http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(14)00062-X

[Anonymous No.6961477]

>>6961430
The article I posted is a meta-analysis and includes yours, maybe try reading it.

[Anonymous No.6961552]

>>6958688

http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(17)30562-4

Dietary carbohydrates impair lifespan and promote mortality

[Anonymous No.6961621]

ITT: Fatass necrovores in denial about their diabetes who will be riding a rascal in walmart at age 40.

[Anonymous No.6961648]

>>6957645
Get the fuck off /pol/ with this bullshit.

[Anonymous No.6961668]

>>6961477
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25149402

There isn't consensus. For example (sys rev/meta analysis):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26853923

There is also likely competing issues here. As others have noted with regards to pernicious anaemia and, in particular, intractable iron deficiencies, there are issues with the unsupplemented veg diet. An animal model (yes, not perfect, but working within the constraints of ethics here) we use shows a reduction in cardiovascular and cancer-related mortality (as per above study), but no overall decrease in mortality - we believe this is probably due to abovementioned dynamics and, importantly, a lack of microbial diversity that is to be expected with a narrower food supply. The latter of these issues tends to decrease immunological capacity (in other studies - we haven't been able to show this conclusively).

I stand by my point above with regards to non-superiority of the given choices. I don't think you're wrong at all; but the truth is simply that this is a field that is A) too individually heterogenous to draw conclusions and B) too heterogeneous with respect to conditions to draw conclusions.

I would wager this is an argument that our children, and our children's children, will have. And that's ok. That's what science is for, after all.

[Anonymous No.6961720]

Vegan reporting in, this thread gave me cancer.

[Anonymous No.6961747]

>>6961621
>necrovores
If you're trying to shame us maybe don't give us such a cool name?

[Anonymous No.6961758]

>>6961251
*Note: I make no assertions with regards to a vegan diet, simply because this is an area I do not know much about. Veg diet, however, as above.

[Anonymous No.6961850]

>>6961552
>cohort study

oh boy, my little stupid boy.

[Anonymous No.6961864]

>>6957645
Nice, just bought 100k

[Anonymous No.6961873]

>>6957645
I was a vegan for a year and felt like shit. I forced so many beans and calories down my throat and despite eating more than I ever have, I lost 15lbs and most of it muscle. I reached a point where I was getting sick every week for two months straight before I finally started introducing animal products back into my diet. I continued to have a very weak immune system for another 6 months before my body recovered.

It went like this:

>0-3 months - great
>3-6 months - good
>9-12 months - deterioration

I really wanted it to work but I was just wasting away. I had a vegan gf at the time cooking me lots of food too. Oh well.

>>6958646
>>6959199
>hurr i am a tough brain damaged boxer and all the shots to my head have increased my impulsiveness and willingness to be a goof

Biggest meatheads in combat sports and I say this as a boxer.

[Anonymous No.6961913]

>>6961668
I agree there's a lot of science yet to be done. You're a good dude, cheers!

[Anonymous No.6962034]

>>6957645
How do you feel now? sage

[Anonymous No.6962073]

>>6961329
>keto advocate

reading though his cited studies was kinda funny. Seems like the dude is heavily biased and pretty much don't read or don't fully understand his studies.

[Anonymous No.6962237]

>>6961913
Far out, nice to have an actual discussion on here. Cheers to you too mate.

[Anonymous No.6962310]

>>6959581
A whole food plant-based diet is the only diet known to reserve heart disease. You shouldn't be "modest" and moderate your intake of cholesterol, for example, because it's the only risk factor for CVD. Logically, you should eliminate it completely.

>>6961477
The article you posted is about cardiovascular risk, my source is about cancer. Anyways your study is confusing seeing that heart disease is one of our top killers. What's your alternative hypothesis for the cause of this?

[Anonymous No.6962420]

>>6962310
Not quite. Mediterranean is exceptionally good at preventing CVD, too, and that's by no means short of meat. That being said, my personal stance is that it's more the other aspects of the Mediterranean diet that make it superior: olive oil, nuts, fatty fish, etc.

[Anonymous No.6962657]

>>6962310

God this is such bullshit. the us dietary guidelines changed last year because theres no fucking evidence that dietary cholesterol raises bad cholesterol in the body. It barely moves the needle on vldl level. And as far as cancer, yes PROCESSED meat causes cancer mostly because of the nitrates in it. Clean meat does not increase a risk of cancer.

The studies linking meat to cancer did not take into account what type of meat the person ate or what else they ate with the meat. A plant based diet high in carbs will lead to more weight gain and more insulin spikes.

[Anonymous No.6962671]

>>6959762
Chimps and bonobos seem quite fine being flexitarians and our lineage split from theirs like ~200k generations ago..

[Anonymous No.6962736]

>>6962420
preventing CVD and reversing it are 2 different things. The Mediterranean diet is tho rather low in meat and high in carbs/unsaturated fat.

Fatty fish has cholesterol, heavy metals and is igf 1 promoting. I agree that eating nuts is healthy but I would never say that about olive oil or fatty fish.

[Anonymous No.6962788]

>>6962657
>no fucking evidence that dietary cholesterol raises bad cholesterol in the body
there are like over 419 studies conclusively saying it.

[Anonymous No.6962857]

>>6962788

>A summary of the committee’s December 2014 meetingsays “Cholesterol is not considered a nutrient of concern for overconsumption.” Translation: You don’t need to worry about cholesterol in your food.

>Why not? There’s a growing consensus among nutrition scientists that cholesterol in food has little effect on the amount of cholesterol in the bloodstream. Andthat’sthe cholesterol that matters.

>Nutrition experts like Dr. Walter C. Willett, chair of the Department of Nutrition at Harvard School of Public Health, called the plan a reasonable move. Dr. Steven Nissen, chair of cardiovascular medicine at the Cleveland Clinic, told USA Today “It’s the right decision. We got the dietary guidelines wrong.”

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/panel-suggests-stop-warning-about-cholesterol-in-food-201502127713

But by all means please post that outdated nonsense from.the 90's

[Anonymous No.6962973]

>>6962788

PURPOSE OF REVIEW:The perceived notion that dietary cholesterol is associated with increased risk for coronary heart disease (CHD) has led to dietary recommendations of no more than 300 mg/day for healthy populations in the USA. This study will review the recent evidence that challenges the current dietary restrictions regarding cholesterol while it presents some beneficial effects of eggs (an icon for dietary cholesterol) in healthy individuals.

RECENT FINDINGS:The European countries, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Korea and India among others do not have an upper limit for cholesterol intake in their dietary guidelines. Further, existing epidemiological data have clearly demonstrated that dietary cholesterol is not correlated with increased risk for CHD. Although numerous clinical studies have shown that dietary cholesterol challenges may increase plasma LDL cholesterol in certain individuals, who are more sensitive to dietary cholesterol (about one-quarter of the population), HDL cholesterol also rises resulting in the maintenance of the LDL/HDL cholesterol ratio, a key marker of CHD risk.

SUMMARY:The lines of evidence coming from current epidemiological studies and from clinical interventions utilizing different types of cholesterol challenges support the notion that the recommendations limiting dietary cholesterol should be reconsidered.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22037012/

By all means, keep eating your soyboy diet high in carbs, enjoy your early mortality and vitamin deficiencies

[Anonymous No.6963070]

>>6962857
First this, to make you understand.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/313701

Now this.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1534437
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18348715
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2663974/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9001684
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22607825
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28342064
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16554528
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603726/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1534437
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2125600/

this is just what I hate at hand but I would suggest you do your own research and look into studies that are not heavily paided by the industry.

[Anonymous No.6963258]

>>6962420
Mediterranean diet is low in animal foods and high in plant foods, it's no wonder it protective against CVD. You still have all the other illnesses to worry about associated with consuming animal products/processed foods like cancer. Whole food plant-based diet is just the most optimal for health/well-being and nutrition: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/improving-on-the-mediterranean-diet/

>>6962657
>God this is such bullshit. the us dietary guidelines changed last year because theres no fucking evidence that dietary cholesterol raises bad cholesterol in the body.

>"According to William C. Roberts, editor in chief of the American Journal of Cardiology, the only critical risk factor for atherosclerotic plaque buildup is cholesterol, specifically elevated LDL cholesterol in our blood. To drastically reduce LDL cholesterol levels, it appears we need to drastically reduce our intake of trans fat, which comes from processed foods and naturally from meat and dairy; saturated fat, found mainly in animal products and junk foods; and, playing a lesser role, dietary cholesterol, found exclusively in animal-derived foods, especially eggs"

[Anonymous No.6963317]

>>6963070
Most of these studies aren't even about the relationship between dietary and serum cholesterol. The ones that are are from 20-30 years ago. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.6963344]

>>6963070

The first link you posted is from 1979. Immediately discarded.

You claim that the industry is behind promoting meat and cholesterol, hen it was the food companies that FIRST started the myth against dietary cholesterol because these companies made products mainly with wheat, sugar and corn syrups (bread, soda, essentially everything with corn or corn syrup in it)

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat

The idea that fat and dietary cholesterol are bad literally come from paid off scientists in the 50s. Its all bullshit.

You can even look at historical examples. Anthropological evidence shows that hunter and gatherers who had a diet low in carbs and high in meat and fats were taller and healthier than their early farmer counterparts who were on high carb diets.

Human being evolved animal products and fat. The human body runs much better on fat than sugar and carbs. Way more sustainable energy levels and no insulins spikes.

Diets like keto have even been shown to fucking ease symptoms of autism

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031938416303389

Your information is literally outdated myths.

[Anonymous No.6963412]

>>6958646
I'd crush you mate, bet you powerlift like 80 kg bench with ur sickly vegan twig-arms, get outo f here lmao.

[Anonymous No.6963430]

>>6963258

https://www.ruled.me/the-ketogenic-diet-and-cholesterol/


In a recent meta-analysis published in the British Journal of Nutrition by Bueno et al, researchers investigated the impacts of very-low-carbohydrate ketogenic diets (VLCKD) on key metrics of cardiovascular health including HDL cholesterol.

The authors defined a VLCKD as a diet lower in 50g of carbohydrates – lower than the daily recommended grams of carb consumption clinicians recommend to diabetics. They included 13 randomized controlled studies with a total of 1,415 subjects. All studies took place for at least a full year and all subjects included were over 18 years old and had a BMI of at least 27.5 kg/m2. In each of these studies, VLCKD diets were compared to low-fat diets.

Overall, 12 studies including 1257 patients examined the impact of a VLCKD on HDL cholesterol. When assessing the data, the individuals assigned to a VLCKD achieved an average increase in HDL of 0.12 mmol/L.This was double the average increase in HDL of the low-fat dieters who achieved an average increase in HDL of 0.06 mmol/L.[11] As a result, the authors concluded that carbohydrate-restricted diets confer cardiovascular benefits because they improve levels on HDL in the body. [11]

Key Takeaways:A low-carb diet (<50g carb) is an effective method in raisingHDL cholesterol when compared to traditional weight-loss diets that emphasize reducing fat intake.

Recommendation:If you need to increase levels of heart-healthy HDL cholesterol, a carbohydrate restricted diet can be an effective tool.

[Anonymous No.6963462]

>>6962671
More like 1.1 million years, and chimps are retarded. Do you want to be as smart as a chimp?

[Anonymous No.6963471]

>>6963258

In a study from 2009 by Brinkworth et al., researchers recruited 118 obese men and women and separated them into two groups for a year-long intervention study. The first group consumed a very-low-carbohydrate, high-saturated diet with 4%, 35%, and 61% energy from carbohydrates, proteins, and fats respectively.

This equates to about 20 grams of carbohydrates on a 2000 kcal diet per day – a more stringent application of carbohydrate restriction use than the meta-analysis above. The second group consumed primarily a low-fat diet with 46%, 24%, and 30% energy from respectively from carbohydrate, protein, and fat per day. Both diets contained an equal number of calories.

About 59% of participants completed the 12-month trial: 33 in the low-carb group and 36 in the low-fat group. Both groups lost similar amount of body weight and body fat. The subjects who participated in the low-fat intervention experienced an average increase in HDL cholesterol of 0.07 mmol/L from 1.36 mmol/L to 1.43 mmol/L. [12] This represents a4.9% increase.

In contrast, the subjects who participated in the high-fat intervention experienced an average increase in HDL cholesterol of 0.30 mmol/L from 1.45 mmol/L to 1.75 mmol/L. [12]This represents a 20.6% increase – almost four times as much as that found in the low-fat diet.

[Anonymous No.6963513]

>>6962671

Chimps and bonobos eat mostly vegetarian brcause they are more accessable and easier to acquire. But they prefer meat absolutely.

Theyve done tests on captive apes and when given a choice of food they always choose the meat.

[Anonymous No.6963558]

>>6963344
>Diets like keto have even been shown to fucking ease symptoms of autism
Yeah in mouse. If you want to actually treat people with autism you give them broccoli sprouts: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/best-foods-for-autism/

>>6963430
>>6963471
You do know I'm talking about LDL cholesterol right?

[Anonymous No.6963560]

>>6961873
There's literally NO reason to go full vegan. Vegetarians are one thing, but veganism is full-retard. Get your cheeses, yogurts, and eggs from ethical sources (such as backyard/family farms) and improve your health and livelihood 100% without cutting into the ethics of it.

Vegetarianism still doesn't quite cut it. There's a reason why India is the most malnourished country on the planet when Africa and China exist, but it's much better than veganism.

[Anonymous No.6963646]

>>6963558

People cant survive on broccoli sprouts. What has shown improvement in children with autism is removing gluten and casein

https://www.autismspeaks.org/node/112986

[Anonymous No.6963660]

>>6963344
you know what, you seem like you dont know anything about this topic and you havent done enough research yourself. Discrediting something based on age without reading it just proves my point more.

>You claim that the industry is behind promoting meat and cholesterol, hen it was the food companies that FIRST started the myth against dietary cholesterol because these companies made products mainly with wheat, sugar and corn syrups (bread, soda, essentially everything with corn or corn syrup in it)

no fucking vegan is promoting easing plain white sugar, corn syrup and plain wheat. ANYONE KNOWS SODA AND WHITE BREAD IS BAD BUT THIS DOES NOT MAKE CARS BAD SINCE CARBS ARE NOT ONLY IN COCA COLA

>The idea that fat and dietary cholesterol are bad literally come from paid off scientists in the 50s. Its all bullshit.

THE BODY DOES NOT NEED DIETARY CHOLESTEROL IN GENERAL WE PRODUCE ALL WE NEED OURSELF AND NO ONE IS SAYING THAT FAT IS BAD ITS THAT TOOOOOO MUCH FAT SPECIALLY SATURATED FAT IS BAD FOR YOU FUCKING HEART AND HEALTH

>You can even look at historical examples. Anthropological evidence shows that hunter and gatherers who had a diet low in carbs and high in meat and fats were taller and healthier than their early farmer counterparts who were on high carb diets.

YEAH THE DUDES THAT DID NOT LIVE TO BE 40 WHEN ALL THE HEART PROBLEMS START DEVELOPING AND THE DUDES THAT DID NOT SIT ON THEIR ASSES ALL DAY WERE SURELY MUCH HEALTHIER ALSO PRETTY MUCH IGNORING THE FACT THAT THE MEAT YOU WERE EATING BACK THAN IS SO MUCH DIFFERENT FROM THE SHIT YOU GET TODAY IN STORES

>Human being evolved animal products and fat. The human body runs much better on fat than sugar and carbs. Way more sustainable energy levels and no insulins spikes.

OUR SPECIES EVOLVED PRIMERLY OVER 2 MILLION YEARS BY EATING MOST OF OUR CALORIES FROM NUTS SEEDS AND FRUITS THE HUMAN BODY DOES NOT AND WILL NEVER RUN BETTER ON FAT THAN CARBS THE INSULIN PART IS STUPID

[Anonymous No.6963695]

>>6957983
The mere fact you have to take supplements in order to stay healthy while not eating meat is evidence it isn't right.

[Anonymous No.6963713]

[Anonymous No.6963736]

>>6963344
>Human being evolved animal products and fat. The human body runs much better on fat than sugar and carbs. Way more sustainable energy levels and no insulins spikes.

ALSO THERE IS STRONG INDICATORS SUGGESTING THAT WE EVOLVED THROUGH EATING STARCHES SUCH AS WILD POTATOES AND CARROTS WHICH PROVED THE GLUCOSE FOR OUR FUCKING BRAIN

>Diets like keto have even been shown to fucking ease symptoms of autism

GOD NO I DONT WANNA DEAL WITH THIS

[Anonymous No.6963737]

>>6958646
Do you live in the 716?

[Anonymous No.6963803]

>>6963560
>get your estrogen, cancer, diabetes and cholesterol
No thanks.

>>6963646
I didn't say you should survive on broccoli sprouts, I said broccoli sprouts have shown the most improvement in curing autism. Your article has no source. And you can eat a plant-based diet without eating gluten and casein.

[Anonymous No.6963814]

>>6957983
Can't fucking wait for lab-grown. I'm not really into the undue suffering of farm animals, and they're excessive producers of greenhouse gas. Cows, chickens, goats, sheep etc will still be raised for dairy, eggs, fibre and pleasure (I grew up on a small farm and raising animals is very rewarding).

[Anonymous No.6963822]

>>6963412
I'm 6'4 and 110kg, so no I lift more than 80kg you weak autist.

[Anonymous No.6963852]

>>6963660

>did not live to 40

Okay now I know you are completely retarded. Ancient humans had relatively the same lifespan as modern humans. THE REASON WHY THE "AVERAGE AGE" WAS 40 WAS BECAUSE OF INFANT MORTALITY AND YOUNG WOMEN DYING DURING CHILD BIRTH WHICH SKEW THE AGE NUMBERS OF THE POPULATION. PEOPLE WERE NOT DROPPING DEAD AT 40 YEARS OLD.

>Saturated fat

Once again, WRONG. TRANS FATS ARE THE FATS THAT HAVE ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS. SATURATED FATS ARE PERFECTLY FINE. STOP USING OUTDATED SOURCES FROM THE 1900S

[Anonymous No.6963866]

>>6963713
/thread

[Anonymous No.6963872]

>>6963713
Gotta love how the idea of not wanting to torture animals is so foreign to these psychopathic animal abuse advocates that they think that anyone who cares about it is just pretending.

[Anonymous No.6963888]

>>6963646
no one is suggesting that you only eat broccoli sprouts but they are extremly healthy and there is no food better at protecting you from cancer.
it taste like shit and smells like shit but just try it

[Anonymous No.6963981]

>>6963852
>Okay now I know you are completely retarded. Ancient humans had relatively the same lifespan as modern humans. THE REASON WHY THE "AVERAGE AGE" WAS 40 WAS BECAUSE OF INFANT MORTALITY AND YOUNG WOMEN DYING DURING CHILD BIRTH WHICH SKEW THE AGE NUMBERS OF THE POPULATION. PEOPLE WERE NOT DROPPING DEAD AT 40 YEARS OLD.

lol you dont seem to realise that people back than did not always had something to eat and could not survive winter. there are so many factors for why people did not live past 40 and you come up with one of the weakest.

>Once again, WRONG. TRANS FATS ARE THE FATS THAT HAVE ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS. SATURATED FATS ARE PERFECTLY FINE. STOP USING OUTDATED SOURCES FROM THE 1900S

Transfat are very bad yes AND JUST LIKE I SAID SOME SATURATED FAT IS GOOD AND OK BUT EATING TOOOOOOOOO MUCH OF IT IS NOT BENEFICIAL TO THE FUCKING HEALTH

[Anonymous No.6964013]

>>6963872

I don't think you are pretending.
I know you are pretending.

[Anonymous No.6964057]

>>6963736

>starches such as wild potatoes

POTATOES COME FROM SOUTH AMERICA HOW THE FUCK WOULD WE EVOLVE OFF SOMETHING THAT DIDNT EXIST IN THE REGION OUT PREHUMAN ANCESTORS LIVED

WE EVOLVED BY COOKING MEAT OVER FIRES. THIS ALLOWED OUR BODIES TO MORE EASILY DIGEST THE MEAT AND IN TURN ABSORB MUCH MORE NUTRIENTS WHICH HELPED BRAIN DEVELOPMENT SINCE MEAT HAS THE FATS AND B12 THAT A NERVOUS SYSTEM NEED. OUR PREHUMAN ANCESTORS WHO WOULD SIT AND EAT AROUND FIRES WOULD THEN FUCK AROUND WITH OBJECTS THAT THEY EVENTUALLY FASHIONED INTO TOOLS. THIS RESULTED IN OUR ANCESTORS BECOMING MORE INTELLIGENT- LITERALLY BY SITTING AROUND FIRES AND EATING MEAT.

JESUS CHRIST VEGANS ARE REALLY THIS DELUDED.

[Anonymous No.6964099]

>>6963713
>>6963866
What if I told you there are two important reasons to eat a vegan diet other than being ethical? Your health and well-being and not contributing to this environmental disaster, which are things that should be in your best interest. I'd say it's mental gymnastics to ignore these issues and right off vegans as wanting attention. Are doctors attention seekers because they tell you not to smoke?

[Anonymous No.6964103]

>>6963981

>did not have enough to eat + winter survival.

We arent talking about russian serfs here. Hunter and gatherers had plenty to eat as did many other ancient people

[Anonymous No.6964120]

>>6964013
Why is it so inconceivable that people might not want chickens' beaks cut off, babies put into grinders, animals who are force fed until their liver explodes, animals that can't stand up or move about, babies removed from mothers and ground up to put in their mothers' food......?

Would you be okay with being treated like this?

[Anonymous No.6964172]

>>6964099

Animals are food and property. I will eat them if I want to. If you try to stop me, I will shoot you.

[Anonymous No.6964285]

>>6964172
Don't worry meatcuck I'm not going to stop you but, karma will.

[Anonymous No.6964364]

>>6964057
>POTATOES COME FROM SOUTH AMERICA HOW THE FUCK WOULD WE EVOLVE OFF SOMETHING THAT DIDNT EXIST IN THE REGION OUT PREHUMAN ANCESTORS LIVED

oh cmon do you read what you write before you post it?

>WE EVOLVED BY COOKING MEAT OVER FIRES. THIS ALLOWED OUR BODIES TO MORE EASILY DIGEST THE MEAT AND IN TURN ABSORB MUCH MORE NUTRIENTS WHICH HELPED BRAIN DEVELOPMENT SINCE MEAT HAS THE FATS AND B12 THAT A NERVOUS SYSTEM NEED. OUR PREHUMAN ANCESTORS WHO WOULD SIT AND EAT AROUND FIRES WOULD THEN FUCK AROUND WITH OBJECTS THAT THEY EVENTUALLY FASHIONED INTO TOOLS. THIS RESULTED IN OUR ANCESTORS BECOMING MORE INTELLIGENT- LITERALLY BY SITTING AROUND FIRES AND EATING MEAT.

yes I agree cooking was great for us and helped us to absorb more nutriens and get enough calories. I was saying that over the whole period our evolutions we were eating mostly nuts, seeds and fruits up until we were smart enough to build tools and hunt.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0262407907623124
https://biology.dartmouth.edu/people/nathaniel-j-dominy

I suggest you read up some recent Anthropology about this

[Anonymous No.6964387]

>>6964103
>Hunter and gatherers had plenty to eat as did many other ancient people

did you ever read a single Anthropology book?

[Anonymous No.6964411]

>>6964120

I don't care, because animals are food and property. They do not have rights, and I do not care about their "feelings", which also do not exist.

>>6964285

>karma

Is also similarly non-existent, along with the rights and feelings of animals. If you ever attempt to infringe upon my rights, which do exist, I will respond with deadly force. This includes voting as a bloc in an attempt to remove my existing rights.

So please, "vegans", enjoy your circle jerk if you want. Nobody is actually impressed by it. But keep it a personal fantasy unless you really want to get dropped.

[Anonymous No.6964470]

>>6964411
god damn you are just plain acting like a child
you little neckbeard wont be able to kill a pig without crying for days

[Anonymous No.6964515]

>>6964057
Roots and tubers exist literally everywhere, this is what early humans ate. There's no magical property in meat that made us evolve, simply cooking food gave us an evolutionary advantage by providing us with more calories.

>>6964411
You misunderstood the point of my post. The karma is you living your older years disabled and eventually dying a painful death.

>Is also similarly non-existent, along with the rights and feelings of animals
Property is a spook too you ancap manchild.

[Anonymous No.6964752]

>>6964515

Communists do not have rights either, so you are in a similar position as pigs and cattle, to my eyes. The sounds you make are also the same to my ears. The words you type with your fingers may as well be the same as the gibberish generated by hooves mashing a keyboard.

Actually, you are lower than an animal. An animal doesn't know any better. You do.

I've got a joke for you:
>What makes hanging a communist about twice as funny as it already is?
Finding out he was also vegan.

[Anonymous No.6964866]

>>6957645
You're a faggot and more than likely a jew. Atleast you'll die before your bags make you anhero.

[Anonymous No.6965213]

Vegan Christian NEET Wizard reporting in.

>>6957733

Lots of vegans do this. A lot of the products that exist now are pretty trash-tier, but they're getting better. Pic related - nobody I've served these to could tell they weren't chicken, and everyone thinks they taste amazing.

[Anonymous No.6965324]

>>6965213
those things are way overpriced, I don't get how plant protein costs more than animal protein

[Anonymous No.6965476]

>>6965324

I think it's the amount of demand at the moment. The price of these things is going down as more vegans adopt. Not being vegan at this point is like missing out on crypto-wave (I'm a very late adopter to crypto myself). The other day the locksmith who fixed my door told me he's vegan, my city is filled with vegan specialty stores, vegan restaurants and cake shops, and there are more vegan options.

Pic related. Vegan burger.