Worth it?

[Anonymous No.663351]

So I had to fire someone again today. It gets old quick. Is it worth it /biz/?

Pic related. I finished it Trump style.

[Anonymous No.663352]

>>663351
So you were let go from McDonald's? I am so sorry.

[Anonymous No.663367]

>>663351
>So I had to fire someone again today.

Don't worry, he'll have a new fry cook job by tomorrow and you'll get over it when you're back to working the cash register.

[Anonymous No.663368]

>>663352
> 2015
> illiterate

[Anonymous No.663369]

>>663367
Thanks for the support

[Anonymous No.663379]

>>663368
>Twenty-thirty minus fifteen in the year of our lord
>Pretending your life is actually of some value where you're in a position to dictate employment terms to another fellow employee

[Anonymous No.663391]

>>663379
This. The $10/hr shift manager fired the $7.25/hr burger flipper. At the end of the day, they're both fucking losers.

[Anonymous No.663399]

>>663391
I laughed out loud @ OP

[Anonymous No.663405]

>>663391
a 10 an hour shift manager generally wouldn't even have the authority to fire someone.

How many people have you fired hot shot?

[Anonymous No.663410]

>>663379
I wasn't bragging. I'm just saying it gets really fucking old quick. Look for some relatedness but looks like we got a bunch self made millionaires twith at have no employees under them. Must be nice.

[Anonymous No.663424]

>>663405
I don't have to answer because I get 0% validity from dictating the employment of others. I'm not like people like you. I don't need to stroke my ego, compare myself to a millionaire celebrity, brag about it on an anonymous internet board, and then criticize anyone with an opinion different than mine. Firing some zit faced 15 year old at Burger King isn't grounds for sitting on a pedestal. Go actually accomplish something and post about it here, then you'll get attention admiration. But I won't lend ANY praise to"hurrrr durr look how many ppl I fire arent i cool!"

[Anonymous No.663429]

My mother fires people all the time.

If you work in a sector that employs shitty people, then firing them is just part of your job routine.

She's a dentist, if you wonder.

[Anonymous No.663469]

>>663424
u won't answer cause your probably collecting ssdi.

[naturalbornhustla No.663472]

>>663424

>I don't need to stroke my ego

It seemed like you did need to,
From where I'm reading...

[Anonymous No.663474]

>>663429
Good point. I'm the personnel director of a small retail organization. This will be a constant I'll have to get used to or find another line of work. Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.663476]

>>663351
Did you have a good reason? Did you give them a severance?

If yes to both, nothing to feel bad about.

[Anonymous No.663496]

>>663476
Yes good reason. No severance. He refused to do a task that his superior asked of him. To which I explained to this employee it was their responsibility and asked him to do it. He said no again and that he would do it if paid more.

[naturalbornhustla No.663501]

And now, for something completely different -

Some actual advice.

I like this philosophy, personally.

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Unless the person was actually stealing or something, i.e. Still performing and adding to the profits of your company, achieving some purpose or activity, they are still loyal, they should not be fired.

Some effort could still be made to find that person a more suitable position, in your company or elsewhere.

Consider the time and investment in that person.
Tomorrow you're back to square one with an FNG (Fucking New Guy) and a whole new learning curve.

Your job as a manager, in a general sense, is to identify strengths and weaknesses and
To guide people towards opportunities, jobs, tasks, that match those qualities.

Firing people achieves none of that.

Example-
>stubborn and argumentative, aggresive
>move out of customer service, put into sales

[Anonymous No.663662]

>>663501
The problem is there are people who break things. It's not stealing, it's damage, though. They also cost. If they don't perform their responsibilities they cut into your profits. In businesses were the responsibilities are fucking easy, but the employees still fuck up, replacing them comes at almost no cost. Theoretically a completely new guy could flip burgers just as well as a 2 year veteran. Sure after 5 years your flipping motion is the crop of the cream, but it's sub-1-year guys that get the routine firing.

There is also something you should consider: half the people have, one could argue, a sub 100 IQ. College students have an average of 115 IQ points. You probably agree many students and graduates are dumb as bread. But there are really people out there with an IQ of under 85. Now IQ isn't everything, of course, but it indicates a trend.

Some people are incapable of learning. Don't overestimate them. Burger flippers, assistants to dentists, package unloaders for logistic businesses... they are people below haircutter assistant tier quality. Probably worse than cleaners, because those sometimes work without supervision.

A semi-competent FNG could usually do most low level work out there in one week of training.

I probably sound smug, but I've heard horror story of employees of that tier of quality.

[Anonymous No.663665]

>>663351
Why did you fire him? I've always tried very hard to find a spot for everyone but the biggest assholes( and I send those guys to other departments).

[Anonymous No.663666]

>>663501
On the other hand, you buy lottery tickets and are a fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.663668]

>>663496
I would've put him in a spot where you say this is your job and if you refuse to do it you are quitting.

[Anonymous No.663671]

>>663662
Stupid people make better workers- a lot of time. There was a slaughterhouse manned by mentally retarded workers that was one of the most productive in the country.

>Henry's Turkey Service, a Texas-based company that for 34 years has employed dozens of mentally retarded men who work at the West Liberty Foods meat-processing plant in Muscatine County.

[naturalbornhustla No.663684]

>>663662
Whoops, wrong excerpt, this is the one
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"whoever is under a man's employ is also under his protection"

It gave me food for thought.
I was always reluctant to go into biz,
Because I dreaded the thought of having to fire someone, because I've been there too often and I know it can literally drive you crazy.

There was one or two occasions I am seriously glad guns are hard to get in this country,
Because I would have gone postal.

>I remain loyal
>I remain in attendance and on time
>I add to your profits and bottom line
>I offer input when asked
>Now you question my loyalty
>Now you fire me
>Now I question your loyalty

[Anonymous No.663697]

>>663684
You know what I'd love?
A zaibatsu system. Lifelong employment contracts. Marrying into companies. Securing your kid a place in that company.

It's not legally possible, not even in the land where the concept originated from.

It's a typical dystopia concept, but also utopic. Depending on how you look at it.

As an employee I'd like a structured, secure life-long contract. As an employer I'd find it useful to develop such a company culture. Build on loyalty, as you say, profit from experienced workers. Loyal, because they don't only work for their next lunch, but also for the comfort of safety, colleague companionship and to secure your kids a good place in the system.

What do you think?

[naturalbornhustla No.663699]

>>663666
>yes on the lottery tickets
>I buy one ticket a week
>about 0.0001 of my weekly income/profits
>many people spend that a day on shit like trash newspapers, magazines, donuts, candy, etc
>or hundreds on watching sports events, without even betting on them
>you could have earned that, actively or passively, as I do, in the time it took you to think that quip up
And type it out
>potential return of 50,000,000%
>best value gamble on earth in history of mankind
>people still call it an idiot tax

Where's the moron part again?

Also, thanks I needed some stress or conflict today, this week has been going so smoothly...

PS-
How much does criticism and trolling these days?

[Anonymous No.663700]

>>663697
Put it in an email to google and in 30-40 years its a reality.

[Anonymous No.663708]

>>663699
Whatever you need to tell yourself.

[Anonymous No.663712]

>>663697
Wow, terrible idea.

What's stopping an employee from half-assing his job? Reduced pay and degradation?
In that case what's stopping an employer from being a complete dick and demanding ass kissing with a threat of reduced pay and degradation?

What if I am born into rice field farmers family and want to be a dentist instead?

[naturalbornhustla No.663722]

>>663662
Look, all I'm saying is, you need to really quantify the expense of all the orientation and training again, as many companies are shocked when they do the real maths, there is a measurable dip in productivity as you and/or other staff have to orientate them as to how you do things.

And their mistake/failure rate is often higher when new.
Add the fact that if it's not a good match for the next FNG, they may leave, and will often leave in the first week or month.

And who leaves?
The smartest ones, when they are ready, and so on.

The other way is your try to find a position within your company or another.

You can be intelligence but clumsy or accident-prone or even just an asshole.
Or competent but not very intelligent.

Being cool, punctual, loyal, honest and having integrity are underrated.

I remember reading about Trump or Buffett or someone being told that a fairly-new, young employee had just made a costly error.

I think it was $20million their firm lost due to him.

The guy owned up, took responsibility, apologised and waited for his disciplinary hearing, and expected inevitable dismissal.
His career was about to end before it even started.

His advisor asked him if he was going to fire the idiot.
Trump/Buffett replied - 'Why would I do that? I just spent $20million training him!'

His philosophy was that he was 20 million down either way, and believed this kid would make it up to him, and he did...

[naturalbornhustla No.663742]

>>663697
There is something similar in Some Latin American countries -
I forget the details, but basically, it's kind of a cross between a scholarship/internship/sponsor scheme.

>Latina leaves ghetto slums
>Goes to US on part scholarship/sponsored by firm
>i.e. Bank sponsors a finance student
>Student goes to work for the firm that sponsored their education
>debt deducted from salary or tiered - they work lower rate until some is recouped
>most who enter the scheme send money to family to sponsor their education or give them money to get started on the scheme, and a referral
>firm gets solid employee loyalty
>if one fucks up, they fuck up their families chances of getting out of the hood with a solid career

[Anonymous No.663752]

>>663700
heh

>>663712
It's just a work-in-process concept idea.
>What if I am born into rice field farmers family and want to be a dentist instead
You don't need to accept the contract your father worked towards to for you.

I realize there are problems to the idea. But realize that 1 year contracts can also be broken before the year is over. It's just more like an insurance: as long as I don't fuck up, I won't get fired. Now what to do when the market crashes? Well even those who still had running contracts might get fired mid-term. But it gives extra security. It just shields a little from pump-and-dump.

>>663722
Interesting. I agree to the points you bring up. But the FNG who doesn't fuck up will get his raises and better relations with management. The idea is to hire and fire until you find that one. I agree it isn't nice and in most fields not necessary, but in some sectors it's really just routine. Trump operates on another level. The guys he hires have already a strong CV and have proven to be competent to some degree. Sure, they still can fuck up, but they are usually already professionals...

>>663742
That's close to what I was thinking. Both parties profit, in my opinion. It's not quite in the sense of a social socialist state, ofc. It has some... serf-lord elements to it.

[Anonymous No.663871]

>>663752
Plenty of incompetent people with good CVs.

Just look at some politicians my god. Though some of them have a shit education or a shit degree in culture or some shit. Still their work experience would indicate they're very good at showing their incompetence time and time again.

[Anonymous No.663887]

>>663752
It's called indentured servitude.

[Anonymous No.663899]

>>663671
that sounds terrifying

[Anonymous No.663961]

>>663697
www.usajobs.gov

[Anonymous No.664137]

>>663496

Noob. You do not refuse a ridiculous order. You agree to it and feign incompetence until they give up and give it to someone else.

[Anonymous No.664486]

>>663351
Sorry to hear that. It never gets easier. Worst part of being in leadership. However, in almost all cases, the solace you find is that people fire themselves.If you are not going through a process (warnings, both verbal and written) and just firing for first offense, that's kind of shitty and you might want to leave.

>>663474
It sounds like from this thread you are the poor guy that has to fire everyone that gets fired? Why aren't their managers doing this?

>>663501
This is one of the most foolish things I've ever read. There is never a situation where it is appropriate to fire someone unless it is because of illegal activity? What kind of shit is that? If you have a retard that can't make it to work on time (or at all) and you have made negotiation attempts at start times and given them warnings, you don't let them go? If someone consistently underperforms the job you hired them and are paying them to do, and after multiple feedback and coaching sessions they do not improve, your suggestion is to move them to another role? Hog shit. Have you ever managed a team before? I've been managing for 6 or 7 years now and have had to fire 3 people in that time. All three were well deserved. Only one of them was someone I actually hired. The other two I inherited; they both did some very foolish things and were released because of their actions.

>>663684
People are fired unjustly sometimes. I'm sorry if this has happened to you; if you've been fired before, in most circumstances you probably deserved it. You may not have in the greentext example, you may have just had an awful boss or been the victim of staff cuts. That's a horrible feeling and you have every right to be hurt by that. I have been fired before, and I was furious and upset when it happened. But, looking back 13 years to the last time I was fired, I deserved it. I was a mediocre employee and I had been warned twice before being let go.

[Anonymous No.664491]

>>664137
Insubordination (especially when it is something specifically listed in your job description) is often a first time fireable offense. My most recent termination was a manager that answered to me was willfully insubordinate and disrespectful in writing in an email thread with other VPs and directors from other departments on the list. When I told him not to do that, he brushed me off and demanded that I show him respect. I fired him the next day he was at work with the full support of my C-level boss and the head of HR.

[Anonymous No.664921]

>>664486
Yes I do all the terminations to ensure management doesnt shoot us in foot.