So why aren't you investing in bitcoins?

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Anonymous Wed Jan 14 02:37:52 2015 No.612681 [Reply] [Original]

So why aren't you investing in bitcoins?

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 02:40:24 2015 No.612682
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>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 02:45:15 2015 No.612685 >>612682 155 on bitstamp APEX KEK

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 02:48:17 2015 No.612687 someone post the flash crash vid. very appropriate! oh fours's ARE TRADING oh three's ARE TRADING oh twos ARE TRADING oh one's ARE TRADING GUYS WE'RE EVEN BID OH LORD THERE GO THE STOPS LOW PRINT 152.40

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 02:56:49 2015 No.612694 this is going sub 90$ and will find stability for a few years before it starts uptrend again after next halving.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 02:58:33 2015 No.612695 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeumyOzKqgI

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 02:59:40 2015 No.612696 It's debatable whether buying Bitcoin even meets the definition of investment.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:02:42 2015 No.612698

>>612696

It has value as a means for people to conduct trade in illegal substances. Unfortunately, there have been far better alternatives to bitcoin created that are far more secure.

All that bitcoin is now is pure speculation. People are buying it not because they want to spend bitcoins, but because they hope the price will go up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:04:18 2015 No.612701 >Bought first BTC for $600 just because it sounded neat I'll get along fine if it hits zero, but I hope it pans out in the long run. I'm having a blast checking the price twice a day.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:04:26 2015 No.612702

>>612694

I've heard this halving bullshit before. Why wouldn't the market simply price the future of the halving into its price for bitcoins? It's not like some shock announcement - The halving will happen and people know what it means.

I do think bitcoin can find a stable price but 2015 is going to be a very, very bad year for bitcoin.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:07:50 2015 No.612704

>>612702
>why wouldn't the market simply price the future of the halving into its price for bitcoins?
Because the Bitcoin market isn't rational. It and the 'economy' that has grown up around it is like a cargo cult version of actual currencies and economies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:08:58 2015 No.612705 I'm buying at $10 is that too high?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:09:46 2015 No.612707 File: 2.84 MB, 320x180, BTC threads on biz.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Bitcoin is the most fun I've ever had losing money. I completely mean that. Plz buy while you can.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:09:51 2015 No.612708 >>612705 Yes

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:12:00 2015 No.612710 >>612705 There's really no reason to ever buy unless you're concocting a scam.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:13:24 2015 No.612712 >>612707 Losing money doesn't sound like much fun to me. I'll stick to making money.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:16:21 2015 No.612716 >>612681 I did, I shorted the shit out of it :^)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:22:55 2015 No.612723 >>612716 >risking your money by giving it up to these unregulated dodgy bitcoin businesses mark my words by the end of this crash some of these businesses will be closing up and taking everyone's bitcoin with them.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:30:13 2015 No.612728

>>612723
bitstamp will be going full gox

Bitpay will shut its doors, I don't see how it can survive on VC funding alone, they're business model literally depends on the price going up. The only reason they are even relevant was because they had a a lot of bitcoins when the price skyrocketed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:37:35 2015 No.612732 >>612723 who said I risked my money? I stole the bitcoins and then shorted it :^)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:40:56 2015 No.612733 >but dad this is the future of currency

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:48:22 2015 No.612738 File: 34 KB, 686x572, mfwpoor.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >be me >lost $500 investing in Bitcoin

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:52:54 2015 No.612742

>>612681
All bubbles work out pretty much the same. Different cultures, times and factors change things but you can always tell after it's done. The same goes with bitcoin, people are constantly claiming it will stabilize here or there, 200 was the stopping point claimed in the last thread and now people see how this bloodbath can exceed your expectations day by day. This link shows you different statements as the dow rose and collapsed in 29 into 32, you'll notice all the "calls" on the way down for a bottom which are wrong. Soon after this there is a confiscation by FDR of gold and sealing of deposit boxes(read #20), does this sound familiar? Some exchanges are going to close shop and just walk away with the bitcoins. This is what people mean when they say history repeats itself.

http://www.oftwominds.com/blogmay13/EricA-pt2-5-13.html

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 03:59:23 2015 No.612744 >>612702 you can't price something like a halving in. it has a physical effect. coins are constantly coming onto the market. TONS AND TONS OF COINS. so until this next halving, and probably the one after that you will not see a huge increase in price.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:03:48 2015 No.612745

>>612744

You really haven't explained why I can't price the effect of the halving, at least that I can see. I am aware that it has a "physical effect".

The real problem isn't with working out what the effect of the halving will be but rather that these coins are so volatile they don't really play by any logic anyway.

Bitcoin could go to 0 for all I know.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:08:09 2015 No.612746

it still has been a mystery to many people
people are so used to paper money it's unconvincing for them to use a digital cryptic currency, so you have to download ~8GB of blockchain to be able to store the money locally? and you're still vulnerable because you clicked a wrong link? online wallets get hacked? what makes me sure they're not pulling a scam and run with the money like mt. gox who hasn't been held accountable?

it was a nice experiment, but that's it. unless you come up with a system that is less cryptic, paper money is not going away

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:16:56 2015 No.612751

>>612745
>can't price the effect of the halving
why should i explain to you something you probably wont understand anyways.

simply put, it is about supply and demand. and if demand has been droping as it has been, and supply is continue to bring on coins into the market daily, until the coins coming into market are reduced, ala the halving. then you will not see a reduction in supply.

also with the increase in supply from retailers instantly selling their coins you are going to need to see an increase in demand which simply is not around now that the 'discovery' factor of the coin has been reached.

get it? good

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:17:07 2015 No.612752

I kind of did
>mid-late 2010, bitcoins are like 2$
>buy coins for some stuff from silkroad
>stop doing drugs and forget about SR and my coins
>remember I have coins when i hear they're around 500
>sell them immediately for 4300$ total

I never really saw btc as a valid investment though. Even getting in on the altcoin pump n dumps was way too much effort.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:22:37 2015 No.612755 File: 205 KB, 1200x1568, 1403252884666.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Holy fuck this pump. Fuck. Whale gods fist my fucking butt every single time.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:24:09 2015 No.612756

>>612751

>and if demand has been droping as it has been, and supply is continue to bring on coins into the market daily, until the coins coming into market are reduced, ala the halving. then you will not see a reduction in supply.

Yes, the halving will result in a decrease in the amount of supply - I completely understand that. If someone told me that for certain in 3 months there will be a lower amount of a commodity like coffee beans on the market then I would be completely capable of pricing that future decrease in supply into the price I pay today.

This same "halving" nonsense was spouted by the guys that were shilling dogecoin. In the end the next "halving" came and the price stayed stable, before dropping - precisely because speculation about the price increase after the halving had already been factored into the price.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:24:52 2015 No.612757 >>612755 >Whale gods Well as it turns out I am the X0Rn Orca.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:25:02 2015 No.612758 >>612742 >Soon after this there is a confiscation by FDR of gold and sealing of deposit boxes except this never happened https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 I agree with everything you're saying though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:25:36 2015 No.612759 File: 63 KB, 1549x890, BTFO2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>612757 Banksta niggers rig the game and the system.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:26:12 2015 No.612760

>>612756
doge coin is not the same as btc. btc has a fixed supply. doge coin changed code and made it ever expanding supply. so please dont try to relate the two.

tis fucking doge after all. is this really where you are going to take it?

goodnight sir just fucking good night

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:27:12 2015 No.612762 >>612759 I know. It is the international Jew and his conspirators. Hitler was right.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:27:49 2015 No.612764

>>612760

It doesn't matter. My point about being able to factor these "halvings" into the price I pay today remains sound.

You've failed to provide any reasoning as to why people can't factor the halving into the price they're paying now when they know that it will occur in the future.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:31:11 2015 No.612766

>>612764
because pricing it in would be pricing it up
now how are you going to price that in and make it a higher price with the extra coins still going to come onto the market
you cant. you fucking idiot. just becuase you want to price something in what are you going to do? make the coins 10,000 a piece because you KNOW they will be rare in the future yet they are not rare now, but hey just price it in!

JUST PRICE IT IN!

and kill yourself
i hate you

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:35:27 2015 No.612769 >>612762 they be pumping right now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:39:07 2015 No.612770 > implying i'm not this crash is mtgox selling hundreds of thousands of btc before the trial begins next month.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 04:45:27 2015 No.612774 >>612681 Only an idiot could have invested into non centralized, non transparent concept of abstracted value younger than 10 years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 05:28:19 2015 No.612786 File: 12 KB, 756x170, wat.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] > no crypto general thread guys wtf am i looking at? shouldn't that 64991 sell order be filled by the buy order at 3satos higher...? i'm too high to make this make sense

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 05:34:29 2015 No.612788 >So why aren't you investing in bitcoins? because I went long on oil ;_;

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 05:43:24 2015 No.612791 >>612695 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHUbLv4ThOo

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 05:48:18 2015 No.612795 >>612786 Cryptsy's trading engine's shit, news at 11.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 05:51:19 2015 No.612798 cyrpto currency that fluctuates constantly NO.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 09:10:35 2015 No.612879 >>612681 >>612682 >>612759 what app/website is that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 09:11:22 2015 No.612881 >>612879 https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 09:15:34 2015 No.612884 >>612881 >https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd thanks <3

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 09:44:58 2015 No.612899

>>612681
My favorite is the shills on leddit going "now is a great time to buy!" and "its still a solid long term invesment!". The funny thing is that they have been saying the exact same thing since last January. I wonder at what point they stop and think "wait a minute... this thing doesnt look like its ever going back up..."

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 09:47:26 2015 No.612900 >>612899 Did you hear of the operation aprilfoolscoin when bitcoin went to 200$ 2 years ago? There's a pastebin link, but I'm on my phone right now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 09:48:26 2015 No.612901 >>612899 Unless it actually stops trading, probably never. A lot of them are financially, emotionally, and politically invested in it to such a degree that they'll never be able to admit that it's failed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 09:51:28 2015 No.612905 >>612900 No I didnt. Ill try to look it up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 09:52:59 2015 No.612906 >>612901 Yea I agree. We should give it a few years lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:00:15 2015 No.612911 >>612728 Bitpay makes money no matter what the price

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:01:13 2015 No.612912 >>612905 I'll post a link to it in about one hour when I'm at home

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:02:40 2015 No.612914 >>612900 http://pastebin.com/h7iGK49T Found it. I'm not sure what I'm looking at here though. Market manipulation?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:05:03 2015 No.612915 >>612766 How do markets work: the post.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:05:51 2015 No.612916 >>612914 Yes. Check the date of the pastebin link and when bitcoin went up to 200

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:17:20 2015 No.612920

>>612746
>"so you have to download ~8GB of blockchain to be able to store the money locally?"

srsly? - fuck that. how often you need to update that? dunno shit about them (obv.) but, that doesnt strike me as a workable system, tbh.

Who is dumping this all anyway? Whales, or panicking NEETs with burnt-out gfx cards, and 4-figure electricty bills? Just out of abstract interest - but fuck off with PND and shit, not that interested..

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:21:38 2015 No.612924 >>612916 What is interesting is that in any normal market this would carry significant criminal prosecutions along with huge fines but because bitcoin is unregulated it seems to get a free pass for now.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:32:28 2015 No.612933

>>612746
Paper money is already going away in the sense that most transactions are electronic these days.
>>612920
From what I've read, a lot of it is from the mining companies. They have to sell their BTC to pay their rent, electricity, etc. which is all valued in actual currency like USD. Them selling lowers the price which means they have to sell more which lowers the price more and so on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:36:55 2015 No.612934 File: 385 KB, 619x696, hat of undeniable wealth and respect.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] When this spike bottoms out i'm gonna buy like crazy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:39:14 2015 No.612937 >>612934 me too. can't fuckin' wait. $65 pls https://www.tradingview.com/v/ZkiPdhMr/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:42:10 2015 No.612939 >>612934 >implying there is a bottom Whats wrong with you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:42:25 2015 No.612940 >>612937 >how low can bitcoin go? In theory it could go to effectively zero.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:44:39 2015 No.612942 >>612939 > implying silk road ONE didn't trade over 1 billion bucks solely in btc there are now dozens of these markets, and every time one gets busted more people flood in. there's always buy support as long as people want to get high.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:47:04 2015 No.612943 >>612942 >implying that drug dealers hold on to the BTC and dont transfer it to fiat immediately

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:52:10 2015 No.612946 File: 4 KB, 256x192, tothink.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >yfw you realize this thread is the most coherent, well-informed discussion on /biz/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 10:54:05 2015 No.612951 >>612924 It seems to me any investment in bitcoin would be an investment in the ability of the unscrupulous to spike the price. This seems like a solid investment in an unregulated market. Which is exactly why this is garbage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 11:05:49 2015 No.612960 DOGE DRK and ANC are now being accepted on silk road. http://motherboard.vice.com/read/silk-road-reloaded-i2p FFFUUUCCCCKKINNNNGG cryptsy's ANC wallet is rekt as usual. DOGE at 65sato already.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 11:26:22 2015 No.612981 File: 145 KB, 400x400, 533.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Mr. Bitcoin’s Wild Ride continues ... better fasten your seatbelts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 11:29:42 2015 No.612986 File: 27 KB, 465x470, BTCLTC.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] LTC for less than $1 when?? https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ltcusd

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 11:33:29 2015 No.612989 >>612986 >screenshot >VLC popup >no time to wait the popup to dissapear

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 11:43:43 2015 No.612992 File: 978 KB, 500x271, CdDynGB.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>612989 This was the official crypto-thread theme song on /g/ back in the day, when LTC and BTC both were rising 10-20% every day for multiple weeks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 11:47:25 2015 No.612994 File: 51 KB, 597x519, 1388815062784.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>612992 now they are falling at the same pace.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:03:59 2015 No.613000 >mfw Putin killed Bitcoin

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:06:10 2015 No.613002 >cryptocurrency is going to be dead in less than a week What the fuck happened?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:07:24 2015 No.613004 File: 244 KB, 320x276, a bomb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] yfw doge overtakes bit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:08:19 2015 No.613005 >>613002 Bitstamp hackers cashing out

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:09:26 2015 No.613006 >>613002 Bitcoin has been collapsing for over a year now. It's not exactly a sudden development.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:13:53 2015 No.613011 >>613002 Cost of mining is increasing and prices are dropping. The result will be a collapse of bitcoin. No one wants to be the last one with bitcoins so everyone is selling as fast as they can.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:14:17 2015 No.613012 File: 37 KB, 632x387, topkek.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] but not as!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:14:45 2015 No.613013 File: 1.84 MB, 400x300, 1362932505030.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613006 It is not sudden but it is extreme. Bitcoin has not lost value that fast (in %) for a long time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:19:52 2015 No.613019 File: 24 KB, 256x256, 1406264935403.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] At least trading volume is back.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:33:18 2015 No.613026 File: 1.00 MB, 242x227, 1411876448700.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613019

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:39:14 2015 No.613029
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And so, a fool and his money are soon parted.
If only the Buttcoiners had paid attention to, well, pretty much everything that's gone on with Bitcoin over the last year.
http://i.imgur.com/pKUGJWW.png
http://i.imgur.com/RTPLwB6.png

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:40:33 2015 No.613031 >>613011 What's the point where the electricity isn't worth it even if you already have the hardware?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:44:30 2015 No.613034 File: 179 KB, 415x477, Bitcoin goes to the moon thru the centre of the earth.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:46:11 2015 No.613037 >>613031 It's pretty much been reached already. Cloud miners are already suspending operations.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:46:37 2015 No.613038 >>613031 In the US that has already passed. In China, where most of the mining is done, it might have passed this week.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:56:24 2015 No.613049 File: 332 KB, 888x866, fpga_eff.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613038 Unless you don't have to pay for electricity. So we have a normal return to 2011 after bubble conditions. (When GPU mining only made sense if you could mine for free)

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 12:59:50 2015 No.613054 RIP Bitcoin

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 13:00:20 2015 No.613055
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>>613049
No, it doesn't make sense at all anymore, the power to mine 1 bitcoin with anything but an antminer is already below the threshold of the electric bill. GPU mining doesn't make sense because the hashrate is too high for GPU miners. You need asics.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 13:06:23 2015 No.613061 >>613055 Question: How long would it take to mine a single bitcoin on a year old laptop?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 13:07:51 2015 No.613064 >>613061 http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/bitcoin-mining-calculator

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 13:07:59 2015 No.613065 >>613061 You would never mine one. Seriously.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 13:11:43 2015 No.613068 >>613064 >>613065 Thanks. I was wondering because I have an old laptop and utilities are included in my rent. It doesn't seem worth the constant laptop noise though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 13:12:13 2015 No.613069 >can't be used a commodity >not viable to make transactions nice concurrency you have there

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 13:12:55 2015 No.613070
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>>613055
http://www.wirebiters.com/bitcoin/
>a “frisbee on the roof” scenario could develop if a substantial amount of processing power disappeared instantly: There would not be enough processing power to solve the present difficulty and no transactions would occur.

Oh god yes.
Bitcoin is SO close to just keeling over dead in an instant.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 13:13:03 2015 No.613072
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>>613055
I didn't meant that we literally have the same conditions as in 2011.
What I meant was that state of the art mining hardware only produces returns if you don't factor in external costs. (ASIC miner today are in the same situation of dudes who bought expensive AMD GPU shit in 2011)

So what will happen?
Market will adjust to new equilibrium and price will drop until most profit BTC-rape miners are pushed out of the business.

>>613061
∞

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 13:30:05 2015 No.613095 >>612695 oddly appropriate

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 13:30:21 2015 No.613097 >>613064 I have no idea what any of those things that I'm supposed to input mean.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 13:38:48 2015 No.613115 >>613097 You probably shouldnt be mining then m80

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 13:39:49 2015 No.613119 Is anyone shorting bitcoin on bitfinex? Should I bother?

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 13:40:06 2015 No.613120

>>613097
The first one is your hash rate. Here's a list, the first value gives you MHash/s, the site wants GHash/s, so divide by 1000.

The second one is how much your system draws.

Power cost is... well, how much you pay for electricity.

Leave difficulty as is.
Hardware cost is zero (you already have it), exchange rate is what you imagine it'll be when you finish mining.

Block reward should also be left, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 13:54:16 2015 No.613144 Most realistic article I have read so far: http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/14/the-rainbow-after-the-bitcoin-storm/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 14:29:06 2015 No.613185 You should be buying now! It will go all the way up to 10k soon!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 14:30:03 2015 No.613187 >>613185 sent ;^)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 14:32:10 2015 No.613192 >>613144 Seems accurate to me. I really dont doubt they'll just even out at some point and be used as they were ment to; buying illegal drugs over the internets

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 14:44:14 2015 No.613204 File: 88 KB, 490x485, 1388685101344.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hey guys did u hear about that dogecoin money ? seems like a profitable investment

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 14:46:23 2015 No.613207 >>613204 >doge it died when it merged with ltc

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 15:08:33 2015 No.613231 File: 774 KB, 4180x1750, DOGE & The Ghost of BTC.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613204 Meh.. I can't complain. Doge is holding out pretty good in these heavy waters. Will keep on holding.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1qooBzE2w

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 15:09:45 2015 No.613232 File: 111 KB, 1920x703, Untitled 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613231 wrong pic

>>	TheCaptain Wed Jan 14 15:12:43 2015 No.613237 >>613232 Did you buy all that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 15:13:36 2015 No.613238 >>613232 how?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 15:21:03 2015 No.613249 >>613232 mining?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 15:28:04 2015 No.613261 >>613232 intredasting

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 15:28:44 2015 No.613262 File: 24 KB, 502x391, trickledown economics.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7TuFy0fcuw

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 15:29:27 2015 No.613263
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>>613249
mehh.. always had Nvidia cards.
Maybe 250.000 are from mining.

>>613237
Boarded BTC train -> boarded LTC train -> boarded DOGE train -> mfw there are no more trains to board that that don't look either scammy (Paycoin), very fragile alpha stage (Stellar, Maidsafe, Ether, Bitshares, NUwhatever) or are run by jews (Ripple).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 15:51:53 2015 No.613286 >>613263 >not on the Monorail

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 15:52:57 2015 No.613289
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Supply: Huge mining conglomerates in china and elsewhere.
Huge retailers coming online accepting bitcoins more and more every day, who in which use a service to instantly sell those coins back to fiat.
People who bought in very early and still have profits also selling into market either for fiat or through various retailers.
People selling out panic from their 500-1000$ purchase price.
Black Market dealers dumping their coin for fiat.
Demand:
Accumulating investment bankers, who work at a snails pace.
People who want to buy BTC to then use on retail? Nope
People who want to buy and hoard hoping for deflationary effect on their currency, and protecting against fiat instability. Okay, small market. As they are most all bag holders who bought at higher levels.
People wanting to buy drugs/black market goods. Small market which worked from when BTC was 2$-25$

Looks like demand is losing out to supply.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 15:55:12 2015 No.613295 File: 49 KB, 800x653, 1396495866766.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613289 Next Supply point???!!!??? Capitulation!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 15:56:36 2015 No.613296 File: 75 KB, 535x577, 1393222816983.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>612738 >be me >$15k

>>	TheCaptain Wed Jan 14 15:57:47 2015 No.613298 >>613263 You should probably go ahead and cut your losses on dogecoin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:04:01 2015 No.613309 >>613296 what is your remaining networth in BTC?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:07:28 2015 No.613314 >>613296 You should probably an hero if you lost that much money.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:08:14 2015 No.613315 File: 24 KB, 460x276, bitcoin-moon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613314 What hero? This is MOON.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:11:48 2015 No.613320 File: 1 KB, 169x31, moon.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613315 >moon

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:14:07 2015 No.613323 File: 59 KB, 244x334, 1237198273918273.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613314 maybe you should an hero for thinking 15k is a lot of money

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:14:17 2015 No.613324 >>613320 MOON/LTC man, talk about worthlessness.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:16:15 2015 No.613325 >>613309 $3k I think

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:18:04 2015 No.613328 >>613323 It takes the average American, what, 4 months to earn that? So yeah, I would say it is a lot m8.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:18:23 2015 No.613330 >>613325 pull out if you wait too long its gonna reach $1k or worse 100$

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:25:46 2015 No.613343 >>613330 At this point he should just ride it to the depths. If he was going to cut his losses he should have done it $14k ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:29:34 2015 No.613349 >>613330 no lol I can afford to lose it anyways

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:31:18 2015 No.613354 >>613349 you buy back later

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:36:38 2015 No.613366 >>613325 start selling 10-25% of your holding on the next spikes and rebuy on lows. you might be able to at least accumulate some more coins from what you hold now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:41:18 2015 No.613375 >>612681 >It'll never go below $300! >It'll never go below $200! >It'll never go below $100!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 16:56:21 2015 No.613395 File: 137 KB, 962x594, triforce.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613323 >>613328 Maybe he comes from some backwater in Africa where people make $300 per year.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 17:02:12 2015 No.613402 File: 126 KB, 500x376, ElonMuskMC_SpaceX4X3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613395

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 17:05:27 2015 No.613409 File: 938 KB, 1500x880, 121241351523.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>612681 Giggled when I saw that it's not even a 1 hour chart. Top kek, I'm looking at a 1 min chart. shitcoin/10

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 17:08:36 2015 No.613416 >>613409 whenever i see these type of pictures. it always makes me wonder what the joke was, and it kills me not knowing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 17:35:44 2015 No.613453 >>613416 >and then he tells me "We actually NEED Basic Income!"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 17:36:37 2015 No.613454 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_H-LY4Jb2M

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 17:49:19 2015 No.613471 The miners process transactions, right? So what happens when the amount of bitcoin left to mine tends to zero?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 17:52:41 2015 No.613477 >>613471 turns to fee based system

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:00:08 2015 No.613490 >>613477 In what way?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:02:46 2015 No.613497 >>613490 In exactly the way it sounds. Instead of being subsidized through inflation, miners will be paid directly by an increase in transaction fees.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:05:33 2015 No.613498 >>613497 In other words, making transactions will be more expensive than just using the bank.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:09:11 2015 No.613501

>>612681
>keep hearing how everyone is getting rich speculating off of bitcoins on 4chan
>see bitcoins were $50 less than they were a week ago
>think "Oh boy, here's my chance to buy low"
>spend $1000 on bitcoins
> One month later
>my bitcoins are worth $130 less each.

You faggots cost me a weeks pay. I'm selling this shit before I lose any more money. I kept thinking it was going to go back up at any minute, but it's a fucking scam. This is the last time I speculate on something that has no worth other than a medium for speculation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:10:11 2015 No.613503 >>613501 You falling for the stalest bait this side of /v/ is what cost you a weeks pay

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:11:44 2015 No.613504 File: 205 KB, 640x480, 1374609047629.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613501 Don't let the door hit you in your ass on the way out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:13:58 2015 No.613506 >>613501 hahahahhahahah

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:14:51 2015 No.613507 >>613501 Did you actually buy into something that you had no real knowledge of, while it's been falling for a year now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:16:17 2015 No.613510 >>613507 at least he didn't buy on the way up and baghold the whole time down and then sell now

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:22:39 2015 No.613515 >tfw i bought into the hype and almost bought bitcoin at the peak thank god mtgox took so long to process my information still feels bad that i sent them so much of it though

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:22:45 2015 No.613516

Just came back from browsing /r/bitcoin, they are falling apart in the most miserable (non-financial miserable kinda of way), its a cesspit of pure greed and delusion, toxic to ones mind, can you imagine if everyone was still using Mosaic 1.0 because it rocked the early web and somehow you could buy shares of the HTTP protocol? thats how these bitcoiners see the world.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:25:57 2015 No.613519

>>613516
meanwhile they are too deluded and wearing the greed blinders to realize the most important thing and what they can't capture financially is that the genieis out of the bottle, and there is no rule that btc will be the one of the ones.

they also fail to see that btc can have a low price per coin and still be a functioning currency exchange medium.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:28:54 2015 No.613523

>>613519
>they also fail to see that btc can have a low price per coin and still be a functioning currency exchange medium.
I don't think they give a flying fuck about that. That's just the picture they paint for convincing newcomers to buy in. The only thing they care about is making a quick buck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:31:03 2015 No.613524 >>613516 Oh shit, this is hilarious

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:32:21 2015 No.613527 >>613519 >>613523 exactly lol.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:32:24 2015 No.613528

>>613523
I remember when it crashed to 2$ after the mtgox first hack. There was a group of bashers on a very popular message board bashing the shit out of btc trying their hardest to get everyone to sell.

The hilarious thing is that the day of the lowest low for that time frame after the hack. the posters stopped all posts and never posted again from that day forward.

This has been a well crafted pump from the start. CNBC was involved and they are with the whales.

One thing about pumps is they most always go back to the range they were initially pumped from.

This being said I see no reason BTC can not hit 25$ a coin again, or even lower. However, it will have a level when buying outweighs sellers. I'm just not sure we are there yet.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:34:26 2015 No.613530 >$162 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTJcy6HKvLM

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:35:47 2015 No.613531 >>613528 >However, it will have a level when buying outweighs sellers. Honestly, I'm not sure abou that. There's a point where the simple upkeep isn't worth it to people anymore.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:36:53 2015 No.613532 >>613528 Also, after the pump, the players/powers to be will keep it in a tight range so they can still make % on the spread, but they will punish the bag holders who bought higher. They will keep it in this range as long as it takes.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:38:27 2015 No.613535

>>613531
even if its under 1$. there are people out there that still are gungho . and some people with a shit ton of money. winklevoss was paying 10$ why wouldnt some idiots like that do it again. it does have a limited amount with dilution rate fixed. For this fact alone it will always be attractive to someone who knows how to ACCUMULATE

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:40:08 2015 No.613539 File: 72 KB, 500x375, 1406137811693.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613531 It's called diminishing marginal utility. Bitcoiners are going to be very sad when they learn the meaning of that term.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:40:14 2015 No.613540

>>613528

Can you imagine the amount of hard cash to pump something from $200 to $1000 is so exponentially higher than pumping from $2 to $30, not considering the amount of new BTC that is created each day, BTC being stable was the deal because it assumed new fools, I mean new bitcoiners where joining the cult, I mean the revolution and buying at least the new coins, considering no one else was dumping, in this scenario pumps are an extreme vote of confidence or an elaborate mirage, it depended on your view or the size of your bag.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:40:58 2015 No.613541

>>613535
>winklevoss was paying 10$ why wouldnt some idiots like that do it again.
Because even the idiots know the old saying: Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...

In other words, bitcoin is going to have a major branding problem down the road, and with a dimishing userbase, more companies will drop the pointless support as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:41:11 2015 No.613542 File: 82 KB, 219x229, 1372357189022.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613540 I'd like to buy you a beer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:41:54 2015 No.613543 >>613541 +1

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:42:31 2015 No.613544

>>613528
I find it hard to believe that it will still be going down when pretty much everyone is selling at a major loss. It's one thing to get out during a crash when you can still get out ahead, but another to sell at a large loss just because you have no faith it will ever go back up. People naturally cling onto hope, and psychologically the difference between losing big and losing slightly bigger is small.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:44:45 2015 No.613546

>>613544
>but another to sell at a large loss just because you have no faith it will ever go back up.
That's called "cutting your loss".
>People naturally cling onto hope, and psychologically the difference between losing big and losing slightly bigger is small.
That just means that eventually you lose trade volume, big time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:45:22 2015 No.613547 >>613542 thanks but this ride ends soon :^)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:45:25 2015 No.613548 File: 34 KB, 703x703, 1420918805393.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] when's the bitcoin ETF coming out again?

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:46:02 2015 No.613550

>>613544
miners are not selling at a loss. imagine the sophisticated chinese investor with a dual solar/wind powered mega mining complex

i mean you have seen some of these power houses out there right? shit is insane. you are watching this difficulty SKYROCKET still. The same people that are causing the SKYROCKET in hashrate/difficulty are the same type who sell. While the selling is good.

Woooo ooooooo get the money and run.
Ooo Ooo Ooo

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:46:53 2015 No.613551 >>613544 >he doesn't know that the miners have to constantly sell bitcoin to maintain their electric bills and loans

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:47:20 2015 No.613552 >>613550 Difficulty: 43,971,662,056 Next: 43,711,600,885 That's not skyrocketing. Some miners are already getting out. Down the right, even the sophisticated chinese investor has to make a call: Mine or sell the power?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:49:25 2015 No.613555 >>613548 The Bitcoin ETF was just a joke.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:49:35 2015 No.613556

>>613552
nice ignoring the trend, nice ignoring the hash rate completely

Jan 12 2015 43,971,662,056 8.20% 314,761,417 GH/s
Dec 30 2014 40,640,955,017 3.00% 290,919,288 GH/s
Dec 17 2014 39,457,671,307 -1.37% 282,449,013 GH/s
Dec 02 2014 40,007,470,271 -0.73% 286,384,627 GH/s
Nov 18 2014 40,300,030,328 1.76% 288,478,854 GH/s
Nov 05 2014 39,603,666,252 10.05% 283,494,086 GH/s
Oct 23 2014 35,985,640,265 2.81% 257,595,247 GH/s
Oct 09 2014 35,002,482,026 0.98% 250,557,526 GH/s
Sep 25 2014 34,661,425,924 16.20% 248,116,151 GH/s
Sep 13 2014 29,829,733,124 8.75% 213,529,547 GH/s
Aug 31 2014 27,428,630,902 15.03% 196,341,788 GH/s
Aug 19 2014 23,844,670,039 20.86% 170,686,797 GH/s
Aug 08 2014 19,729,645,941 5.30% 141,230,307 GH/s
Jul 25 2014 18,736,441,558 8.08% 134,120,673 GH/s
Jul 12 2014 17,336,316,979 3.08% 124,098,191 GH/s
Jun 29 2014 16,818,461,371 24.93% 120,391,236 GH/s
Jun 18 2014 13,462,580,115 14.51% 96,368,902 GH/s
Jun 05 2014 11,756,551,917 12.44% 84,156,677 GH/s
May 24 2014 10,455,720,138 18.10% 74,844,960 GH/s
May 12 2014 8,853,416,309 10.66% 63,375,223 GH/s
Apr 29 2014 8,000,872,136 14.64% 57,272,474 GH/s
Apr 17 2014 6,978,842,650 14.04% 49,956,502 GH/s
Apr 05 2014 6,119,726,089 22.23% 43,806,706 GH/s
Mar 24 2014 5,006,860,589 17.80% 35,840,504 GH/s
Mar 13 2014 4,250,217,920 11.39% 30,424,245 GH/s
Feb 28 2014 3,815,723,799 21.92% 27,314,015 GH/s
Feb 17 2014 3,129,573,175 19.39% 22,402,357 GH/s
Feb 05 2014 2,621,404,453 19.49% 18,764,744 GH/s
Jan 24 2014 2,193,847,870 22.59% 15,704,175 GH/s
Jan 13 2014 1,789,546,951 26.16% 12,810,076 GH/s

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:52:48 2015 No.613559

>>613556
You said "still". That's not some past trend. Difficulty has been relatively steady for a good while now, and it'll have to fall soon.

Again, mining isn't worth it anymore. Power is worth more than the results you get from mining now.

The people who are still throwing assets at the bitcoin wall, hoping that they'll stick, are those who have too much tied up in bitcoin. It's desperation.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:55:19 2015 No.613561
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>>613548
That's the best part. It's not! They just re-submitted the application at the end of last year before the SEC could deny the filing. Get it? As long as people hold out hope for the ETF the price won't completely trip over itself so they just resubmit the filing. Since the filings take a year, all they need to do is keep it tied up with the SEC each year and lament the ebil gubbermint for slowing down the process! It's the long con. The Winklejew knows that the SEC will never approve of their black magic snake oil etf so they've made a game of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 18:59:43 2015 No.613566 >>613559 >Again, mining isn't worth it anymore. Power is worth more than the results you get from mining now. Thats why POS coins are better investment. Blackcoin, Darkcoin all these

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:00:10 2015 No.613567 >>613561 based ricky

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:01:02 2015 No.613569 File: 113 KB, 1404x936, fukbtc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How many times has bitcoin been proclaimed dead due to a crash?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:02:48 2015 No.613571 >>613569 not dead coin, dead demand for the coin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:04:02 2015 No.613572 File: 1.04 MB, 290x189, L24cy.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613569 I love this pic, this man in all his neckbeardness is the embodiment of Bitcoin, he also fucked hundreds of thousands of people and basically walked away free from it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:04:13 2015 No.613573 >>613569 good luck finding buyers, the people that were buying were the people that had faith in this. Now that the ponzi has collapsed though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:05:44 2015 No.613578 >>613573 There's still buyers. Those that can't or won't cut their losses. Those that will throw money at the system until they sink with the ship.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:07:36 2015 No.613583 Get your pogs here, Pogs here! Get your pogs HERE!@ (1920's corner newspaper salesman voice)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:13:01 2015 No.613591 >>613569 Well, all the believers are going to have to find a new set of suckers to buy bitcoin. All who bought in late 2013, and EVERYONE who bought in 2014, as well as anyone who bought in 2015 are all most likely done with bitcoin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:18:03 2015 No.613601 question of the day: how would you fix bitcoin to make it not shit? remember that bitcoin was originally just an experimental project that wasn't supposed to be released because it wasn't finished

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:20:21 2015 No.613607 >>613601 bring back satoshi and get ride of cia insider gaven

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:22:43 2015 No.613612 >>613601 Make it so that the supply can be controlled by experts on monetary policy.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:24:14 2015 No.613616

>>613601
I don't think you can. This is essentially fiat without the hand of the government both necessitating its use and providing a base worth, and without a central bank controlling its supply, reacting to market developments, with additionally high technological requirements.

So people can buy drugs. The whole thing is just asking to be abused, start to finish.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:33:03 2015 No.613631 File: 31 KB, 680x510, yoloyellen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613612

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:34:03 2015 No.613632 >>613616 >This is essentially fiat somebody doesn't understand bitcoin

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:36:02 2015 No.613637 >>613632 It is fiat. Money from nothing, represented by something that's worthless.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:36:24 2015 No.613639 File: 2.80 MB, 318x212, 1371244917824.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613616 >without a central bank controlling its supply, reacting to market developments you act like this is a bad thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:38:08 2015 No.613643 >>613637 guess you don't understand fiat either.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:39:16 2015 No.613647

>>613551
Not if they're selling at a loss. They'll just shut down if the power + other expenses outweigh the money they can get. They would need to be banking on a recovery in prices if they wanted to continue, and if they have any reserves left at all in the war-chest, if they're already banking on a recovery or bust, they'd just save the coins they're mining currently and run off of savings.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:39:31 2015 No.613648 >>613643 Well, I guess you're right there. Fiat has government backing. It's WORSE than fiat.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:40:33 2015 No.613649 >>613639 Because it is.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:40:55 2015 No.613650

>>613648
lol well, you got me there.
i do hate the wasted electricity when it could be going to research things of good. but in this fucked up evil world i just dont care anymore and my only solace is knowing we all die.
i imagine it is much the same feeling hitler had knowing he tried his hardest to free humanity, but in the end lost.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:41:56 2015 No.613654 File: 306 KB, 578x411, stanley-fischer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613649 sureeeeeeee thing buddy go have a circle jerk with krugman

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:43:16 2015 No.613657 >>613648 my point was though, that fiat is inflationary and bitcoins are deflationary. this is how they are different. fixed supply vs infinite supply

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:43:38 2015 No.613659 >>612681 it is a scam

>>	derp Wed Jan 14 19:44:13 2015 No.613662 https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2sgeyx/ethereum_have_been_steadily_selling_their_30k/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:44:37 2015 No.613664 >>613657 Bitcoin is actually highly inflationary right now.

>>	derp Wed Jan 14 19:45:48 2015 No.613666 >>613664 this is the point, all about Bitcoin IS A FUCKING LIE, its not deflationary (yeah for now but its not) its also not fucking anonymous and not scalable (that stupid 1MB Block thing).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:45:56 2015 No.613667 >>613664 >inflationary stop using words you do not understand

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:45:59 2015 No.613668

>>613657
Fiat doesn't have to inflationary, it just is usually because that makes the economy run smoother. Inflation forces people to spend, so long as money circulates, the economy stays alive. But you can make fiat deflationary. Stop the presses, declare some of the tax money you get as no longer existing. Or just stop the presses and rely on the natural decay.

So, they're not different in that way. Bitcoin is ultimately merely more limited than fiat - it eventually has to turn deflationary - but either can be deflationary.

Which is yet another reason why bitcoin is worse than fiat.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:47:26 2015 No.613672 >>613667 You first.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:49:13 2015 No.613674 Fiat (which what cryptos are) not backed by confidence and enforced with power is worthless. In California state prisons a stamped brass round is worth 1 packet of cigarettes, why is this? ...

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:50:47 2015 No.613677

>>613668
>it just is usually because that makes the economy run smoother.
wrong, it is because it is a debt based fiat and you have to borrow to pay back thus causing the inflation.
Saying inflation forces people to spend after your sentence of it makes an economy run smoother is an oxymoron. The thing that makes an economy smooth is price stability.

>declare some of the tax money you get as no longer existing.
this would never happen, maybe you do not understand this is the master plan to fuck humanity while the international banking elite profit as always.

>Bitcoin is ultimately merely more limited than fiat
No shit, that's why its deflationary vs inflationary.

The only time you see fiat deflation is when the gig is up and it returns to its true value, zero. Until then keep dreaming your asinine situations that will never play out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:53:06 2015 No.613681 >>612681 >So why aren't you investing in bitcoins? I already spent all my money on lottery tickets. Well, that plus directly flushing it down the toilet.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:53:58 2015 No.613682

>>613677
>wrong, it is because it is a debt based fiat and you have to borrow to pay back thus causing the inflation.
That's just silly. Debt vanishes all the time, and fiat doesn't have to be created with debt. Creating it with debt is a nice mechanism to prevent insane spending, but it's not necessary to the concept. Neither is it harmful in any meaningful timeframe.
> The thing that makes an economy smooth is price stability.
Nope. Prices that are too stable discourage spending now. People spending asap, increasing circulation, is what keeps the economy running.
>this would never happen, maybe you do not understand this is the master plan to fuck humanity while the international banking elite profit as always.
Let me get, it's the jews that are behind that master plan.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 19:55:42 2015 No.613683

>>613650
>i imagine it is much the same feeling hitler had knowing he tried his hardest to free humanity, but in the end lost.
>>613677
>this would never happen, maybe you do not understand this is the master plan to fuck humanity while the international banking elite profit as always.
The /pol/ is strong in this one.

Anyway, still doesn't change the fact that Bitcoin has been suffering from massive inflation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 20:48:54 2015 No.613733 >>613650 >in this fucked up evil world i just dont care anymore and my only solace is knowing we all die. >i imagine it is much the same feeling hitler had knowing he tried his hardest to free humanity, but in the end lost. Literally Goebbels.

>>	Cal !7p6ZFzW.pU Wed Jan 14 21:31:03 2015 No.613766 >>612702 >The halving will happen and people know what it means. Do realize that halving and therefore increasing value of something at 0 still means the value is at 0

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 21:32:41 2015 No.613767

>>613682
>it's the jews that are behind that master plan.
obviously, idiot.

and debt vanishes all the time? haha yeah. federal reserve notes vanish all the time hehehe
hueheuhe

you're so fucking stupid i do not even know where to begin with your kike loving post.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 21:33:47 2015 No.613768 File: 3.71 MB, 1926x5640, HITLERWASRIGHT_.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613683 >The /pol/ is strong in this one. indeed

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 21:35:53 2015 No.613770 File: 244 KB, 1400x938, 1411356426429.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613733 >Literally Goebbels. links and quotes please

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 21:40:15 2015 No.613773
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SR is going to be shut down soon enough

>http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/14/7546669/silk-road-trial-bitcoin-tracking

Bitcoin has clearly lost its anonymity which means its lost its draw

Better jump shit now and start investing in oil

Were all out of life rafts so here's a butt shark

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 21:41:33 2015 No.613776 File: 101 KB, 600x600, 13341535_1_l.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613773 >Better jump shit now and start investing in physical silver fixed that for you

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 21:45:50 2015 No.613781
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>>613776
>Thinks physical precious metals are a smarter investment then oil

for your sake I hope all currencies suddenly lose their value at the same time and we go back to a bartering system of trade

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 22:02:14 2015 No.613795 >>613773 Everyone has known this since the inception of bitcoin. It changes nothing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 22:08:59 2015 No.613802 File: 138 KB, 1440x1080, maxresdefault (4).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw still have 550k in dogecoin I don't even know what i'm holding onto them for, the coin is never going anywhere.

Anonymous Wed Jan 14 22:11:05 2015 No.613805

Anyone here think BTC will reverse, at least briefly? I assume, at some point, during this fall, it will get so cheap that people who holding back will put money in it because they can throw away that money. We'll see an exponential rise for like $100, then the inevitable fall. Anyone else trying to catch this jump for easy money?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 22:13:40 2015 No.613807 >>613805 >anyone here think BTC will reverse, at least briefly? More than likely. >anyone else trying to catch this jump for easy money? Nope.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 22:19:33 2015 No.613816 >>613805 > anyone else trying to catch this jump for easy money only people that make a living on those kinds of small gains, like a pink sheet broker

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 22:21:24 2015 No.613817 >>613802 sell everything and buy UWTI

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 22:44:31 2015 No.613849 >>613802 Are you me? I mined them for like 2 days right when they came out. Keeping them was the dumbest thing I've ever done.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 22:55:52 2015 No.613864 >>613805 I think at $100 there may be a bunch of people that buy in... the thing is though, so many people have already been so burned by bitcoin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 14 23:55:57 2015 No.613931 >>613766 I agree, I don't think any of it matters. I just think the stupid noise from bitcoin shills that "THE HALVING WILL RAISE THE PRICE" shows just how bad these guys are at this game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 00:26:41 2015 No.613962 File: 422 KB, 792x1117, 1411357382918.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 07:39:41 2015 No.614231 >>612746 >~8GB hahaha HAHAHA https://blockchain.info/charts/blocks-size Make it triple, and then add a bit more.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 07:59:37 2015 No.614241 >>613551 So, does it work the same as shale oil?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 08:04:12 2015 No.614243 File: 40 KB, 450x346, Full faith and credit of the United States of America government.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>613648 Yeah, what could go wrong with government backing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 08:13:04 2015 No.614248 >>613453 >/biz/ hivemind thinks basic income is not becoming more and more necessary I should have known.

Anonymous Thu Jan 15 09:20:16 2015 No.614302

>be me
>be 13 months ago
>tried to register with MT GOX
>no reply for weeks
>didn't even know MT stood for Magic The Gathering Online Exchange
>if I knew that wouldn't have touched it
>planned to invest about 2000 USD in BTC
>still no reaction to my registration after a month
>Christmas time
>fuck it I will do it next year
>meanwhile MT GOX crashes and all the money on the accounts is lost

Thank you God

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 09:25:17 2015 No.614306 File: 1.57 MB, 315x300, DPsvXQc.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] BITCOIN'S BACK UP INTO THE 200's!!! I bet all you fiat-failures are regretting not buying in at the bottom!

Anonymous Thu Jan 15 09:41:14 2015 No.614334

>>614306
Dead cat bounce. We have had one after every huge crash. It never recovers to the price it was before the crash though. If you bought around 150-170 you can make some money selling during the bounce but I would plan an exit strategy soon before it starts retracting again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 09:44:54 2015 No.614345 >>612681 BTC TO DA EARRRRTH

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 10:39:47 2015 No.614399 >>614302 >same story Neither Gox or BTC-E confirmed with me how to actually wire the money to them, so I never did. Dodged a bullet there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 10:40:38 2015 No.614400 >>614306 >regretting not buying in at the bottom Nope.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 10:47:04 2015 No.614412 >>614306 Enjoy your next pump and dump.

Anonymous Thu Jan 15 11:02:48 2015 No.614431

>>614399
This is why bitcoin has had problems gaining mainstream adoption. Plebs don't understand it let alone be able to even acquire any. No coiners will bash bitcoin to make up for the fact they lack the tech literacy to even participate, mean while I am selling the 3.5btc I bought yesterday for a nice profit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 11:25:47 2015 No.614451 >>614431 Incredible gains there buddy. I gained 22-23% with a tax free investment account in 2014, really missed an opportunity of a lifetime here.

Anonymous Thu Jan 15 11:26:50 2015 No.614452

>>614431
>Plebs don't understand it let alone be able to even acquire any.
Naw I dont think thats it at all. I think what really happens is that when people go to buy some they realize that they have to give so much personal information and banking info to these shady exchanges that it opens up some serious security issues. Even then they still have to wait days to even get verified. The only other option is through localbitcoins where there is a huge markup above market value. I think when they realize how inconvenient and inefficient the whole process is they probably end up saying to themselves "why do I even want to buy these again?"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 12:07:11 2015 No.614488 File: 24 KB, 1400x1000, usdchf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Should I invest in the US Dollar now?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 12:12:00 2015 No.614492 >>614488 You shouldn't 'invest' in currencies and other non-productive assets period. Invest in assets that actually generate revenue.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 12:15:42 2015 No.614494 >>614488 rubel. make sexy putin happy.

Anonymous Thu Jan 15 12:17:21 2015 No.614495
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Why do bitcoiners act like they've never heard of a dead cat bounce? Why do they seem so ignorant of basic economics and finance? They wonder why they keep getting taken for a ride and then say "see we have a reversal!" on every dead cat bounce. It's like they're incapable of learning anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 15:04:46 2015 No.614708 File: 119 KB, 593x251, bitcom-founder-satooki.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>614306 >buying in at the bottom! huehuehue are you a wizard

Anonymous Thu Jan 15 15:09:40 2015 No.614713
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>>614495
I think because a vast majority of the people who bought in late were the age of 16-25 and who didn't know shit fuck about anything economical. Brain fucked by the Jews from birth. They don't know anything about the system of current and all its volatility. They just get greed taken over like all humans always.

Tulips.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 15:37:34 2015 No.614753 >>614488 is anybody actually dumb enough to try and use this argument? huehue the dollar is about to collapse muh 99& of value lost in 100 years hue hue

Anonymous Thu Jan 15 15:46:38 2015 No.614773
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>>614753
actually the dollar could in the short term (next few years) uptrend against most currencies. You should see Euro come to parity or even sub euro.

or do you like selling at the start of uptrends?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 16:29:12 2015 No.614847 >>613498 Not all transactions have to happen on the chain.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 16:30:21 2015 No.614849 >>613501 >weeks pay >actually concerned about losing it You have to be lying about one of those. I've lost 2 months pay so far, and I don't give a shit. Bitcoin has dropped about a week and a half's pay so far since i stopped buying.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 16:35:21 2015 No.614860 >>613552 You know it's dead when Chinese miners decide to sell their power instead of using it to mine.

Anonymous Thu Jan 15 19:29:12 2015 No.615041
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>>614860
Whatever. Someone will buy their mining power at a fair market price and the market will adjust to equilibrium again.

Bitcoin is volatile, so the economic rent is always over and undershooting the equilibrium. In late 2013 it was overshooting (every stupid cracknigger could mine profitably) and now it's undershooting (even dedicated Asic mining specialists have trouble to break even).

At the equlibrium the price should adjust in such a way that mining specialists produce coins at a reasonable Marshallian surplus and small miners produce coins at a loss when factoring variable cost + fixed costs, but also achieve a producer surplus if they can get electricity for free (e.g. college students, or stealing electricity).

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 21:22:37 2015 No.615169 >>612681 >there are people who didnt sell their bitcoins for $700, $800, $900, $1000

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 15 22:22:01 2015 No.615223 Some dude made $64k yesterday going long right at the bottom, fucking basterd.

Anonymous Thu Jan 15 22:55:17 2015 No.615262

>>612696
Bitcoin has backing.
Mainly it's supreme unrivalled use in the black market.
Unfortunately with the death of silkroad this damaged confidence in this sector.

I don't think bitcoin will move out of the blackmarket trading sector for quite some time due to the Mt Gox collapse too.
But it certainly will survive, because free market will make it so.

Anonymous Fri Jan 16 01:46:47 2015 No.615388

used to be you would just get some bitcoins and then buy drugs, then it got big in the news and all these retards started talking about it, investing etc. to where we are today where everyone and their dad reads bitcoin news on tv and every little faggot on the internet is creating 5 forum threads every day. quit ruining shit fucking idiots it makes everything become gay.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 16 02:12:33 2015 No.615414 >>614847 then what is the point of using bitcoin you nigger

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 16 02:36:38 2015 No.615433 >tfw wrote a thesis on Bitcoin taking off and everyone should get on board just last year I feel like a fucking fool

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 16 02:39:47 2015 No.615434 >>615433 upload it to pastebin

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 16 05:07:27 2015 No.615508 >>615433 Upload it for some laughs. Also please include reviewer comments from some old socialist loser that has no idea 8)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 16 05:32:55 2015 No.615521 >>615433 just delete your name / uni etc ... and upload it ! gogo :)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 16 17:34:45 2015 No.616340 Is it really feasible that 21,000,000 BTC could be worth 100,000 a piece? Market cap of 21 trillion? I don't think so.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 16 17:48:58 2015 No.616352 >>616340 Yeah, no. That's like the people saying silver will go to $1000 / ozt. It's just delusional.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 16 18:18:28 2015 No.616388 >buttcoin

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 16 18:57:46 2015 No.616443 File: 260 KB, 1000x1000, SBAR_1_OZ_JM_X020-05-popup-yeahhhhhhbuddy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>616352 >silver will go to $1000 / ozt. but it will

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 16 19:50:35 2015 No.616515 how is the price decided?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 16 19:53:19 2015 No.616519 >>612698 > there have been far better alternatives to bitcoin created that are far more secure. Like what Darkcoin? darkdoge?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 16 21:00:13 2015 No.616575 >>616443 oh you >>616515 supply and demand

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 17 00:40:52 2015 No.616828 THE SAME REASON YOU WONT GO AND GET A REAL JOB I GUESS

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 17 02:58:59 2015 No.616937 Can i beg a little? I could use some coins. 0.0005 btc is enough thanks 1Eg1c9oDCm1QRBWug8HikthM21bDJ7xDs9

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 17 05:30:03 2015 No.616968 >mfw bought 10 bitcoins at $6 each and sold for $20 each At least I made a profit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 17 08:47:26 2015 No.617053 >>616968 kekked

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 17 09:26:50 2015 No.617077 >>616340 it wont, ever, at some point people will just turn to cheaper and better electronic currencies like monero.

Anonymous Sat Jan 17 09:28:50 2015 No.617080

>>616519

like monero you idiot, all these you said are bitcoin clones with cheap gimmicks, go research what makes something better/securer, hint: it is not based on something less secure, you dont buy a metal fortress on top of a tree, thats what darkcoins are.

Anonymous Sat Jan 17 11:28:00 2015 No.617161
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Looks like $200 is what everyone has decided Bitcoin is worth.
Until when the Bitcoin miners have to pony up more cash to pay their electricity bills again, and dump more coins onto the exchanges and they crash the price again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 17 11:50:08 2015 No.617173 >>617080 silk road takes DRK but not XMR. i don't get it.

>>	joker !xi8/JKFwzo Sat Jan 17 11:52:44 2015 No.617176 >>616443 why?

Anonymous Sun Jan 18 12:06:04 2015 No.618242
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http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2015/01/16/bitcoin-is-latest-victim-of-disinflation/
>Full cost of production is closer to $600 per token, based an a recent study by Australian researcher Hass McCook.
Oh man. Bitcoin is fucked.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 18 12:11:01 2015 No.618249 >>612738 I remember when bitcoins were 30$, 30-100$ is my buy price, and I don't think that it's a bad one either. Although, I would be surprised if it goes all the way down to 10$ nothing is impossible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 18 12:25:34 2015 No.618267 >>618249 >I remember when bitcoins were 30$ That was back when you could mine them with your laptops CPU.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 18 12:34:04 2015 No.618274 >>612681 bitcoin is not anonymous. the only reason it got so far is because people didn't know

>>	God Sun Jan 18 13:24:33 2015 No.618319 >>613550 I know of a few mega-miners that are in profit above $90/BTC...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 19 01:12:12 2015 No.619035 >>618242 Didn't someone do some math recently and come to the assumption that BitButts would need an average of $500k of new people coming in and buying coins for the Ponzi to keep itself greased?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 19 01:35:32 2015 No.619061 >>619035 i keep seeing these numbers for different alts but no one shows the formula

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 19 04:56:06 2015 No.619200 >>612943 this the dealers are not buying from the suppliers in BTC

Anonymous Tue Jan 20 00:52:49 2015 No.620321
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I'm guessing the only reason people are still mining bitcoins at this price, is because selling coins is the only way they can pay back the loans they took out to buy the miners in the first place.
And it's not like they can sell their miners either, because what the fuck are you supposed to do with those useless hunks of electronics (that can only do 1 thing: mine coins), now Bitcoin is only $210?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 20 15:55:49 2015 No.620821 >>613262 whatever they're laughing about, you know, there's blood involved, lives at stake, groups disenfranchised, bitches fucked. damn it feels good to be a gansta

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 20 15:58:09 2015 No.620826 >>613501 >medium of speculation the entire stock market

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 20 16:07:02 2015 No.620835 >>620826 The difference being that it's possible to both speculate and invest with stock. Bitcoin itself is just speculation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 21 10:46:38 2015 No.621883 >>612681 Well, guess I should have shorted it, but now it's probably too late.

Anonymous Wed Jan 21 11:18:41 2015 No.621916
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I love how up until recently, Bitcoiners would tell you to look at the history of bitcoins price using a log-scale graph.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=670351.0
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/four-charts-suggest-bitcoin-value-10000-usd-next-year/

Gee, I wonder why they've all gone quiet about that stupid bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 21 13:42:01 2015 No.622039 Sell when everyone says buy, and buy when everyone says sell. https://www.tradingview.com/v/dHbn7XZ4/ See you at the moon

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 21 22:38:19 2015 No.622590 >>622039 That's just sad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 21 22:42:29 2015 No.622593 this is pretty normal for btc. 10x in 24 hrs in any direction is ok / normal>>612742. You just have to be prepared to live with it. 100x in 24 hours and then I might think a bit differently.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 21 22:53:43 2015 No.622607 >>621916 no the log chart is still fine, see how high above it went at 32$

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 22 04:07:18 2015 No.622801 >>613539 You're a fucking moron.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 22 11:30:34 2015 No.623061 >Dad just called me >tell me he heard bitcoin is at an all time low >wants me to invest $5000 for him I don't know how to tell him it's too risky for him. He's not even gonna trade, he's just gonna hold it long term.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 22 12:37:34 2015 No.623146 >>614492 why? the risk/reward is the same

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 22 13:02:47 2015 No.623181 >>623061 >tell him you did >use the $5000 for yourself >once the bitcoin collapse he earn nothing

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 22 18:21:40 2015 No.623502 >>623146 It really isn't.

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