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Last chance to buy in to the world computer. Compute is the new oil.
https://github.com/DeAIWorkingGroupInternetComputer/DeAIWorkingGroupInternetComputer/tree/main/WorkingGroupMeetings/2024.10.17

>> No.59094376
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>>59094288
Lets keep this news under wraps for now op

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>>59094376
You're right. The degens here just don't get it.

>> No.59094467

>>59094456
>>59094376
>>59094288
Can someone explain like I’m 5

>> No.59094537

>>59094288
So they will launch 2025 Dec 31st then

>> No.59094827
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59094827

>>59094467
ICP is blockchain singularity. It is the only blockchain that you can actually host a website on without spending an arm and a leg. It delivers content at web-speed through distributed consensus mechanisms. You can run AI models 100% on chain. It works by running an OS on WASM canisters for max speed. They are currently testing 64-bit wasm canisters so they can have over 4GB addressable system memory. This will pave the way for what's next, which will be the launch of specialized GPU subnets to run larger AI models (64-bit means practically unlimited memory).

They are creating chainkey replicate tokens of existing blockchains (picrel), these are not bridges which are prone to attack but rather cryptographically secured 1:1 tokens issued on chain directly connected to those external blockchains via HTTPS outcall running on ICP canisters. I will even be bold enough to say that ICP is unhackable due to its treshold relay consensus mechanism combined with decentralized architecture.

Think ~~millions~~ billions of distributed AI Agents running at scale with no ruling authority over them except the democratic DAOs which govern them. ICP may very well usher in a golden era for humanity in an age of post-scarcity. ICP doesn't run on AWS, Azure, or any government-beholden blockchain. It is a truly decentralized blockchain that enables anyone to reasonably launch sites, apps, tokens, and organizations in a Web 3 environment. It truly is alien tech.

Dfinity, the team behind ICP, is based out of Switzerland and is making partnerships with sovereign entities as well as multinational NGOs like the UN. Their team is 0% hype/marketing and 100% tech and research. They employ more PhD cryptographers than probably any other blockchain. Combined. They have been the #1 most updated GitHub blockchain team by a huge margin and push updates near-hourly. https://github.com/dfinity

Read: https://medium.com/@dfinity/a-technical-overview-of-the-internet-computer-f57c62abc20f

>> No.59094835

>>59094827
How many ICP to make it. Is Tyler AI real?

>> No.59094844

>>59094835
1k is the makeit stack, my retarded fren

>> No.59094853

>>59094835
>How many ICP to make it.
My price target is $5000 by 2030. Use FIRE principles and determine 25x your annual income, and divide by $5000 per ICP. For me, FIRE number is which would be $3.75M or 750 ICP. But I have much more than this.

>Is Tyler AI real?
Yes. In the future, people will not be governed by soverign government entities but rather a decentralized aggregation of Decentralized Autonomous Organizations (DAOs). If you read into and understand what DAOs are (and what they mean for the future of corporate and sovereign governance), you would realize that ICP by and large the only blockchain capable of implementing the future. Imagine billions of on-chain agents passing rules to impartially govern bodies of authority with near-100% efficiency. That's the power of DAOs and ICP

>> No.59094860

>>59094853
How about DKP. I’ve been hearing about that in some ICP threads

>> No.59094892

>>59094860
I have no clue what the Dragginz creator is going to do to monetize. I would treat any L2 token as same as buying pink slips OTC stocks. There are some DAOs that have actual monetization plans, that are a good glimpse into the future of governance over how commodities will be distributed in the future. For example GoldDAO and EstateDAO. I also supported Juno's SNS launch, which is trying to be ICP's equivalent to Firebase, but it didn't hit its launch goals.

>> No.59094896

>>59094827
cK is just bridged tokens. Does nothing just creates small amount of liquidity on ICP. Everyone will always buy their tokens where there is most liquidity which is not icp and will never be

>> No.59094900

>>59094896
Chainkey tokens are NOT bridged tokens. Unlike traditional wrapped tokens, which involve intermediaries that need to be trusted, each chain-key token is fully backed 1:1 by the native asset and managed 100% on-chain by an ICP smart contract. This offers a more secure and decentralized alternative, without any intermediaries or centralized bridges.

>> No.59094901

>>59094896
Wtf I thought ICP was bridgeless

>> No.59094904

>>59094860
DKP is cool, the project is self funded by Adam/Donna and it's worth owning a small bag in case Dragginz/Blockworld is successful. In terms of other IC shitcoins, NTN is worth adding to your holdings, that memecoin EXE as well. This obscure shitcoin called Panda made by Chinese devs pivoted to an encrypted messaging app designed like Telegram with file transfer capabilities, worth keeping an eye on it.

>> No.59094912

>>59094827
And still, the dog with a hat will always pump more.

>> No.59094914

>>59094288
>the world computer.
theres been like 100 tokens claiming to be the world computer. the first one was EOS (earth operating system). all of them were scams

>> No.59094924

>>59094901
>>59094896
bots

>>59094912
>>59094914
stay poor

>> No.59094939

>>59094900
The technicalities are irrelevant what is relevant is only liquidity. Ck like bridged tokens just fractures liquidity by moving coins spread out amongst various chains.

Interoperability that doesn’t fracture liquidity is what is needed

>> No.59094945

>>59094939
Wow thanks for telling me. Won’t buy any ICP now sounds like a shit show

>> No.59095853

Collective insanity looks like this thread

>> No.59095860

>>59094467
It's a centralized piece of shit project absolutely swarming with nigggers, street shitters, and bug eaters

>> No.59095866

>>59095860
Fuck ICP

>> No.59095873

Don't VCfags own like 90% of insane clown posse's supply?

>> No.59096052

Should i dump my 10k LINK to ICP? Seriously considering this.

>> No.59096211

>>59094939
hey dingus, as dapps get built out there will be more incentive to interact via ck tokens.
liquidity is low now but constantly growing. some of you act like icp is a finished product, like whatever myspace chain you are using.
p.s. ckBTC is already the most superior btc layer 2.
>>59096052
i wouldn't swap all, just some. icp still has vc unlocks until mid 2025. but fatman has 350mil tokens for you.

>> No.59096242

>>59094376
>>59094288
does this deprecate RLC?

>> No.59096245

>>59094827
their team is crazy stacked.
if you have even 100 frozen jars of piss I think you'll be happy with your stack.

>> No.59096248

>>59096052
nah link is still the god protocol.
eventually link's oracle network will deprecate ethereum. hold both. sell your other alts/paycheck for icp.

>> No.59096251

>>59094892
what do you think the future of GoldDAO is?

>> No.59096328

>>59096211
>>59096248
I'm honestly blackpilled about the whole project. I probably know more about it than 99% of people, other than insiders working there. I genuinely think it's just a grift at this point because they have objectively lost the competition for interop.

In any case I have 5k ICP, but I want to own 10k plus, I think it's actually a better hold than LINK because after all the token is needed and the sky is the limit for burned cycles. ICP community is more likable too.

>> No.59096478

>>59096211
Holy mother of cope. Liquidity will always be low because people trade where liquidity is highest and that is always on the native chain of the assets they are trading with. Nobody is going to fkn trade ckPepe on icp. They will always trade on eth because of liquidity, if ck could tap into native chain liquidity then it’d be interesting, until then it’s a nothing burger

Your bull narrative is that everyone just starts using icp and icp becomes the main hub of all trading with the most liquidity. That is peak retard.

>> No.59096525

>>59096328
"community" is completely irrelevant. people shitposting and making eceleb accounts don't move markets. only trades do.
I think Swift + Link will be huge, but let's not debate that here, there are plenty of link threads.

>> No.59096549

Is plug wallet safe? It wants to modify my copy and paste data.

>> No.59096555

>>59096549
obviously don't put your whole networth in there.
what is a good hardware wallet, btw?

>> No.59096577
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>>59094288
ICP (big bag)
Dragginz (big bag)
NTN (medium bag)
EXE (medium bag)
BOB (small bag)

These are the best plays atm. Be wary of other SNSs. Golddao literally has barely delivered anything on their roadmap. NTN has way over performed their roadmap.
Dragginz is delivering and will be bigger than axie in the future (Adam and Donna and their team know exactly what they are doing and have the best minds at dfinity helping them). For monetization they will have custom skins and will take a form of royalty or tax for in game transactions. There will be two in game currencies Gold and DKP. Gold is going to be a basic in game currency and then DKP will be the special currency with what the nfts, skins, in game markets, and many more use cases will all be transacted in dkp. I think they will take a very small cut in these transactions in order to monetize the game.
EXE is a memecoin with a on chain OS tied to it shillgates has been working away.
Bob stands for block chain on the block chain it's a meme token that you can mine by burning icp, first of its kind. If ICP succeeds these are almost guaranteed to succeed as well.
The JUNO dev is great but doesn't explain how he and his team will make the token valuable, demand, and provide liquidity. This isnt the early days anymore SNSs standards for launch are getting higher and higher. Kong may not even past since they didn't keep some promises before going SNS.

For all the skeptical people on ICP, they have delivered everything on their roadmap. The team is great. They are the only chain that host anything on chain as well and provides end to end services all on chain. This will be the new tech stack because it eliminates the inherent unfixable problems in IT.

Also special mention, if you don't know what to invest in and want to invest in something similar SPY but for icps eco invest in TACO DAO when they launch. Pretty much its a dao controlled etf. Pretty sure their main stacks will be ICP, DKP, NTN, and EXE.

>> No.59096588

>>59096555
>>59096549
Just use nns for tokens and import tokens that aren't a SNS or cktoken. If you have NFTs just keep them on plug

>> No.59096599

>>59096478
>if ck could tap into native chain liquidity then it’d be interesting,
what's your example of tapping into native chain liquidity? because everything is constrained by the original blockchain. there's already plenty of interop intermediaries and layer 2s. icp is more like a layer 0 and 2. eventually a big web3 playground. ck is just a tool to build with. that's why i said it needs dapps (aka devs). you misread dingus.

>> No.59096617

>>59096577
Fuck Icp and fuck dkp

>> No.59096622

>>59096328
you have good bags of both.
i have more icp than link, but i actually "use" icp. not that there's much to do yet, but i mess around with new dapps, nfts, shitcoins, openchat, etc.
my link is just sitting in the pool.

>> No.59096623

>>59096617
Inferior chain baggie mindset

>> No.59096631

>>59096622
Most other cryptos nobody uses the chain for anything. Icp is the only Crypto where I actually use the chain on a daily basis.

>> No.59096632

>>59096623
Hey idiot I was looking up dkp what the fuck is this ugly block word shit

>> No.59096635

>>59096577
>For all the skeptical people on ICP, they have delivered everything on their roadmap. The team is great. They are the only chain that host anything on chain as well and provides end to end services all on chain. This will be the new tech stack because it eliminates the inherent unfixable problems in IT.
This is just a straight lie. ICP lack of achievement caused Finterest to leave

>> No.59096646

>>59096632
Cope. It's a bare bones game engine it's not supposed to be impressive yet. They were just showing they developed the first of its kind back end with rust. The front end graphics and Ui will improve over the next few months.
Again this a team that created the largest mmo to date neopets and sold it to Nickolodeon for $160 million in the early 2000s. Other team members help create WoW and other very successful games. We're still at the very barebones part of development where everything is mainly focused on backend on chain functionality rather than what the front end looks lije

>> No.59096647

>>59096631
yeah, desu it's the only web3 in existence.
>>59096635
hey are you talking about lil finny? did he leave? is he getting married or going off to college?

>> No.59096648

>>59096635
Finterest built nothing jeet. That team will achieve nothing. Pretty much scammed VCs out of a project

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imagine investing in I See Pee and this shithead lol
This project reminds me of Maidsafe, always in development, never ready, jack of all trades master of none shitcoin

That's why you buy TARAXA at 20M cap

>> No.59096663

>>59096652
It's constantly improving and growing. They've delivered everything on their roadmap. It's the only blockchain I use on daily basis. All other projects only can just send coins from a to b

>> No.59096719

>>59096588
yeah but nns is a website...
I want to generate a secret key OFFLINE.
There's the command line, I guess?
>>59096577
I have GoldDao. "barely delivered" - are they scammers or just slow?

>> No.59096743

>>59096648
>>59096647
Dom never implemented vetkeys and fucked over finnys fuck dom

>> No.59096744

>>59096719
NNS is 1000x better than any extension wallet. NNS is pretty much cold storage with arguably better security. I think you're comparing this to traditional blockchain standards that are inherently insecure. You can do bitfinity wallet that's the best extension wallet but keeping it in the nns is still way safer.
Golddaoight turn around but they barely follow their roadmap at all. The only notable thing they've done so far is the staking dashboard which is alright. There are way better plays on icp than them.

>> No.59096747

>>59096743
Vetkeys are being implemented right now. They will launch a final version soon. Finterest literally just made some bullshit excuse as to why they literally did nothing for 2 years. Literally nothing. NTN defi vectors shits on anything finterest would of developed

>> No.59096751

>>59096747
Who is ntn

>> No.59096773

>>59096719
the nns internet identity accounts are very "modular."
you can use a passkey (like iCloud), or a yubikey, or a seedphrase.
for instance, you can delete the seedphrase if you want, and just put a bunch of yubikeys, etc.

ledger devices can also act as a yubikey with the FIDO U2F app to gain entry to a nns account.
then you can also use that ledger device to create an actual ledger-protected wallet inside your nns account if you want.

>> No.59096899

>>59096599
An example would a dex aggregator that is interoperable between all chains. So if you wanted to buy Pepe on icp and there wasn’t enough native ckPepe on icp to complete your transaction it’d route the transaction from dexes on other chains and then route back and convert it to ckPepe on icp chain.

If it did this method I’d eventually start converting all assets to ck and capture the majority of liquidity as people will switch to icp because of lower fees and faster speeds.

This isn’t possible though so that makes icp irrelevant. It’s trying to monopolize everything instead of carving a niche for itself which is why it’ll fail

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>>59094288
I SEE PEE

>> No.59096966

>>59096899
>This isn’t possible though so that makes icp irrelevant.
that is very possible to build on icp, why not? that's just a dex on icp going out to buy some Pepe for you because they ran out of their ckPepe.
but it'd be slow as shit since they'd have to wait on the eth network, plus icp's security confirmations. all interoperable methods are slow if they are truly secure.

i'm not really sure the purpose of ckPepe on icp anyway. but in a way, i'm not really sure the purpose of Pepe's existence anyway.
creating ck erc20's was probably intended for USDT and USDC.
i think it's best to start with ckBTC. this opens up the actual possibility of using btc in daily life, plus creating btc defi.

>> No.59097155

>>59096966
Pretty sure NTNs defi vector will be implementing this down the line

>> No.59097701

>>59096635
That cuck Sachs and the Funny team tucked tail and ran due to fears of getting thrown into the slammer due to inability to comply with regulations.

>> No.59097841

>>59096773
>>59096744
Thanks. My only skepticism is just that it's generated *IN THE BROWSER*. If there's a virus on my computer, I'm fucked. The thing I don't like about Yubikeys is it's then unique to that ONE key, I can't export the private key?
I just want to generate the private key with 2 conditions
*Offline
*On paper
like I could with a trezor, or using an ofline bitkey linux setup.
>ledger devices
Can I copy the ledger private key and regenerate the same Yubikey later then?
I heard the ledgers were backdoored - what's the meta to avoid this?
>GoldDAO
yeah, I'm just going to hold it for now, it's "virtual gold".. more interesting than a paper gold balance on a broker.

>> No.59097945

>>59097841
So you can have a seed phrase and lock it and that will be your main form of recovery. If all your other devices/methods get compromised you can use that seed phrase and remove all other login devices. This will stop someone controlling your account if a device gets compromised but still the immediate problem would be loss of funds if they withdraw your unlocked funds but this prevents someone controlling your account if you have locked neurons you still can't access them.
I still have my bag from golddao and just locked them to the Max from sns. I get like half an icp every week from the staking dashboardgynrxy.

>> No.59098047

>>59097841
>>59097945
It's the weekend... paid FUDders are on break. Glad there are still some real humans left on /biz/.

Anyways, I have been eyeing AI-related tokens on ICP and NTN is looking quite attractive... a Vector DB on ICP sounds really good, if they can pull it off. How's it looking at the current price though? Buy now, or wait?

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>>59098047
Wait like a week. And buy if the prices dumps. This is the last major unlocks. Infu and his team are geniuss. One of the best teams in icp

>> No.59099235

>>59097841
as far as i know, the ledger option i mentioned is the closest to what you want.
but you should just create a throwaway nns internet identity and mess around with it.

i don't use a ledger, but you *should* be able to restore your FIDO U2F credentials by restoring your ledger 24 word seed. so afaik it is essentially a yubikey that is actually restorable by a seed phrase.

regarding backdoored ledgers, that was due to the introduction of ledger's recovery service. the way to avoid that was to skip firmware updates, or use an older ledger that was not capable of the latest firmware. but desu you probably want the latest firmware, and i'm not sure if the older devices can even download the FIDO U2F app.

i'd still suggest at least 1 cheap yubikey and set it as the recovery backup login.

also, this is all for an nns internet identity, which allows you to login to all dapps, and stake. it's much more than just a simple wallet. so you'd probably end up creating one anyway.

>> No.59099286

>>59099235
thanks.
is there no way to make it work with trezor?

>> No.59099354

>>59099235
But even with the backdoor on the ledger you would still need to know the II number to access funds. So the odds of someone accessing your ledger and know the II is highly unlikely

>> No.59099451

>>59099354
II number?

>> No.59099538

>>59099451
Internet identity think of it as your username for logging but it's a number it's like 8 or 9 digits currently. It's incremental foe each new account. The newer you the higher the number. If nobody knows this number other than you nobody can access your account. It's easy to remember

>> No.59099568

>>59096328
What interop tokens have beat it in your opinion?
Im asking because i hold Axelar (AXL) but dont understand the tech, dont know if its any good.

>> No.59099716

>>59099286
not afaik, unless any recent updates. you can maybe create a basic wallet, but i doubt they have apps that allow a trezor to function like a yubikey.

the ledger is just a way to create an offline restorable "yubikey".
but i wouldn't use a ledger's FIDO U2F as a primary login method, too slow. though i assume you can set it as a backup security key.

for primary login, the quickest is a phone passkey with biometrics, like iphone icloud.

go create an internet identity and mess around: identity.ic0.app

>> No.59099802

>>59099568
There is a few things:
TVL
Tokens available
Blockchains connected
Value transferred
Revenue

Both Wormhole and Layer Zero beat LINK on every single metric. As for Axelar, it probably does too, I haven't checked the numbers but it's going to assume it is because of the poor CCIP performance for all of these. You can see some values in defi llama if you look for bridges.

>> No.59100484

>>59094288
>ICP
Wow, that shitcoin is still going? I see it's dropped down to $8 from $18 six months or so ago. I'm not sure if I believe the history on CMC, it claims ICP was over $400 in 2021.

>> No.59100517

>>59100484
that website is false and cmc are a bunch of liars.
it was actually $2,000.

>> No.59100759

>>59099538
thanks
>>59099716
yeah I have one I'm staking neuron for like 50 IC or so, I'm just looking for better hardware alternatives than CEX. Thanks or the spoonfooding though I appreciate it and good for lurking newfags.

>> No.59102327

>google ICP
>find nothing about it
yeah I'm thinking it's a scam

>> No.59102382

>>59102327
Look at that chart too. Ouch.

>> No.59102412

>>59102327
blockchain singularity

>> No.59103383

>>59094288
So buy ICP AND NVidia