/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.58284518]

Pic rel is everything Bitcoin was supposed to be. Everything we once used Bitcoin for. Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.58284528]

>>58284518
>prove me wrong
Can't be done. Anyone who denies this reality is wilfully ignorant or a sunk-cost sucker.

[Anonymous No.58284557]

>>58284518
>Prove me wrong
We can't

[Anonymous No.58284567]

Yes, but it wasn't first.

XMR is so midcurve

[Anonymous No.58284815]

>>58284528
>sunk cost sucker
pot meet kettle

[Anonymous No.58284838]

What's Monero's available supply again?

[Anonymous No.58285351]

>>58284518
No, that's LTC.

[LebAnon !!2ce/22LTWFi No.58285381]

>>58284518
based XMR chad
>t. living in hyperinflation
keynesians seethe at the sight of monero
>>58284838
tail emission makes monero sound money,safe mode

[Anonymous No.58285393]

>>58285381
>>t. living in hyperinflation
>keynesians seethe at the sight of monero
B A S E D
Did you spread more stickers?

[LebAnon !!2ce/22LTWFi No.58285400]

>>58285393
i'll take some pictures soon
trying to work on something to make monero more engaging and accessible to people here

[LebAnon !!2ce/22LTWFi No.58285447]

>>58285400
XMR:
41jhfidFTRFWrj2DfrovwVhWANMHtcT5QULasrpTYizr7YWFLQohnkwiW9JmT6SjSu7egjLUNhavML2sZToVPvPXR9w3yZe

I gotta head to work
shamefully dropping this if anyone could help me out

[Anonymous No.58285496]

>>58285400
Unbelievably based. Will donate more to the cause when I can.

[Anonymous No.58286679]

Bump.

[Anonymous No.58286688]

>>58284815
Are you assuming I hold more than a two digit stack of xmr?
It's a currency, anon. Not a speculative asset. Moonboys I swear.

[Anonymous No.58286701]

All true but it’s also what the real price of bitcoin would be today if there Bitcoin was delisted from exchanges and banned all over the place

Use Monero as an indication of what Bitcoins price would be if Bitcoin on/off ramping gets regulated out of existence

>le infinite supply

Monero is less inflationary than Bitcoin is for the next few decades lol

[Anonymous No.58286707]

>>58284518
>Pic rel is everything Bitcoin was supposed to be.
thats why it failed

[Anonymous No.58286718]

>>58284518
>check xmrbtc chart
nah I'll pass, nice project tho

[Anonymous No.58286731]

>>58286707
>failed
At what, precisely?

[Anonymous No.58288623]

>>58286731
At moon.

[Anonymous No.58288716]

>>58284518
It IS going to moon eventually.
* Glowies, Midwits and many xmrchads themselves seethe at this statement

>b-but regoolatory incertainty a-and
There's the seen, and then there's the unseen.
It's anti-fragile and exponential, nigger.

[Anonymous No.58288821]

>>58286688
Anon, that says more about your wealth and less about XMR. Rich people who want uncensorable crypto have more than an XX stack. It’s the only option if you can’t use gold and want something digital.
>>58288716
Not many people understand this but it’s true.

[Anonymous No.58288887]

>>58288821
>that says more about your wealth and less about XMR
Fair. It also means I don't spend a ton on drugs. Probably only $1-2k/year.
But I'm also not rich, no.

[Anonymous No.58288902]

>>58284518
You're a midwit

[Anonymous No.58289003]

I hold [ ] Monero

[Anonymous No.58289010]

>>58288887
I’m a xx-stacklet too but I would definitely have a sizeable amount in XMR if I could.

[Anonymous No.58289038]

>>58286688
>Monero is number one, that's why I don't hold any
If you believed Monero is to be THE money, you'd be hoarding as much as you can.

[Anonymous No.58289097]

>>58289038
>If you believed Monero is to be THE money, you'd be hoarding as much as you can.
No, I'd only do that if I thought the speculative price would increase. Which, it may, idk. But I don't use currencies as an investment. That's retarded. And as far as buying drugs on the dark web, XMR is THE currency. Which is what I use it for.

[Anonymous No.58289128]

>>58289097
Why would it not increase if it is THE money and a desired escape as CBDCs get pushed further? Speculative price increase is different from demand due to organic growth.

[Anonymous No.58289168]

>>58289097
I like xmr

[Anonymous No.58289294]

>>58289097
Whatever becomes the money always comes with a speculative premium relative to all the other monies out there. The US dollar, British pound before that, etc. People know it's used more and widely accessible, so they speculate on it.

[Anonymous No.58289360]

>>58289003
Monero is where it's at.
t. owner of unknown amount of monero

[Anonymous No.58289369]

>>58284518
midwit, so many of you, look up biz archives if you're not afraid to learn why

[Anonymous No.58290120]

>>58289369
Such strong argument you have here.

[Anonymous No.58290140]

>>58284518
It's true, but you know what BTC wasn't supposed to be and became?
>A speculative store of value
XMR is so good at being BTC that it can't do what BTC did and accidentally start making you money.

[Anonymous No.58290224]

>>58284518
Now if it would just make me rich.

[Anonymous No.58290369]

>>58290224
I wouldn't plan on it. Govs and banks actually have something to gain from the adoption of BTC (public ledger). XMR represents no such benefit.

[Anonymous No.58291252]

Monero has just flipped the EU's largest Bitcoin store.

[Anonymous No.58292030]

>>58284518
>>58284528
>>58284557
>>58285381
>>58289003
Enjoy the 51% when the X5 gets mass produced

[Anonymous No.58292512]

>>58284838
18,147,820

[Anonymous No.58292522]

>>58292030
this is cope

[Anonymous No.58292531]

Monero and Bitcoin need to exist in tandem
ringCT is too heavy for bitcoin's size
ringCT is a necessary tool for the crypto ecosystem

[Anonymous No.58292544]

>>58284518
Premined shitcoin. Have fun getting dumped on by fluffiepony or whatever

[Anonymous No.58294393]

>>58291252
based

[Anonymous No.58294438]

>>58291252
XMR chads stay winning

[Anonymous No.58294527]

>>58284518
I don't need to prove you wrong every time you ask. You were proven wrong back in 2018. Monero is inferior technology that will be destroyed like the rest when quantum computing becomes available. Meanwhile, pic related already has quantum resistance. It will be one of the last cryptos standing once quantum computing happens.

[Anonymous No.58294772]

>>58294527
>quantum computing
Key, nice /x/ tier lore.

[Anonymous No.58294928]

zcash is better

[Anonymous No.58294938]

>everything we once used Bitcoin for

sorry nigger the days of buying drugs, cp and illegal shit is over. inb4 you still can. yeah you can if you want the feds showing up to your house.

[Anonymous No.58295356]

brainlet here, tell me how using monero is somehow more private than bitcoin transactions

[Anonymous No.58295472]

what makes it more private than Bitcoin? if someone was to feed $1k into a convenience store crypto ATM, what makes Monero more private then Bitcoin that route?

[Anonymous No.58295482]

>>58295472
Wallet addresses and amounts don't appear on chain. The crypto ATM knows it sent X monero to an address, but nothing beyond that.

[Anonymous No.58295572]

>>58295482
oh wow glad I came across this thread. clearly the marketing of Monero sucks as it should be much bigger. that is the safest way to use crypto. hypothetically of Crypto was accepted everywhere like your debit or credit card, that person who fills up their Ferrari at the gas station can have their address looked up and can easily become a target. they'd need to have so many different wallets to spread out their money to try and avoid attention. with Monero they could have one or a few wallets (nobody would put everything in one) and their wealth remains private. TPTB probably have a gag order on MSM speaking about Monero as it's the real threat to central banking.

[Anonymous No.58295602]

>>58295572
It should be bigger but is undervalued right now until CBDCs come into play and the situation becomes more draconian. It really is the OG intention behind crypto.

[Anonymous No.58295607]

>>58295572
You barely know the half of all the excellent features that xmr employs. There's a reason it is the only crypto trusted by dark net drug markets and ransomware hacking groups. If it's good enough for them it's good enough for me. There have even been multiple sustained attacks on the network to deanonymize it and the chain maintained anonymity for 99% of transactions while also not slowing down at all.
See >>58227016 for more.

[Anonymous No.58295614]

>>58284518
you're wrong because 99% of people only know bitcoin as a get-rich-quick system

[Anonymous No.58295771]

>>58295602
I see that now. on the long term the use case on a retail and commercial level could be a problem. TPTB can order brokerages to not allow Monero on their platform. leaves it as a local purchase situation from websites. they can then easily shut those sites down and the few that remain bounced off IPs around the world will only be appealing and trustful to those OGs you mentioned. businesses that openly accept Monero will be scrutinized and targeted with audits and so that leaves direct B2C transactions with companies who have to rely on private referrals to avoid attention. Monero will probably always exist but I wouldn't count on it as an investment, versus a utility case. the higher it goes probably indicates how Draconian society has become. I'd be worried that if it started to get bigger TPTB would list everyone with a Monero wallet on their phone and sic the tax revenue agents on them. leaving the only use from cold wallets and the few people who figured out how to even get around the hardware backdoors.

[Anonymous No.58295941]

>>58295607
as Crypto continues to become more normalized, how do you cash out with Monero? if you trade to another coin, a record would be made to a public wallet right? a law can be made to make Monero transactions illegal preventing cash withdrawal at those ATMs. unfortunately it seems that the long term use case can only be from the type you mentioned. their Monero depends on a strong community to hold liquidity and keep price stable. TPTB can easily sow doubt in holders with that vulnerable value reliance through buying and selling huge amounts to create volatility.

[Anonymous No.58296035]

>>58295941
>how do you cash out with Monero?
Best way would be peer to peer. LocalMonero could get you back to fiat if you don't care about using stuff like Paypal or Zelle.

[Anonymous No.58296071]

>>58295572
When will and how can we convince people to wake up and start valuing privacy more?

[Anonymous No.58296312]

>>58295941
seems like there'd always be a market for people wanting to cash out of bitcoin, and people wanting to cash in monero. they could make it so you can only use bitcoin that is from an approved centralized exchange or "green" miner. but then you have a bunch of people wanting to use monero who will trade it for goods and services at a discount, dispersing monero and leading to a larger circular economy. is my thinking flawed here? the best bet for them to get rid of monero or any anonymous transaction system, is to let it die on arrival, or fade into obscurity.banning it is an endorsement. If we got too many headlines about monero you'd see usage go way up, just from druggies hearing of it the first time alone.

[Anonymous No.58296416]

>>58296035
what would/does this process look like? how can I be 100% sure that LocalMonero or something similar is not compromised and actually just a honeypot? Crypto is still so new that I'd bet the majority probably thinks it's just to do illegal activities. when it finally becomes normal because of CBDCs, Monero will finally receive the attention of deserves, however it'll be in the form of slanted media press of how it's "harmful to democracy". banking is one arm of the elites; they will not permit an alternative to simply exist. they cannot prevent you from paying someone to rake your leaves with Monero, but you can't put gas in your car with it. the only way that Monero can grow is with a fast adopted rebellious hivemind acceptance for under the table type services/jobs and products from the community. the same type of unspoken knowledge like clicking on ads and scrolling around on the page to "tip" someone you appreciated reading their new post. Monero has a real chance to create the only grassroot economy sheltered from previously rising taxes and new predatory ones like the Carbon tax.

>>58296071
70 or 80/30 or 20 rule. the majority does not think like you do. a huge chunk of that believe that because they have nothing to hide, full surveillance is a good thing because it will catch the bad guys. you in the 20/30% that might speak up about privacy settings allowance on an app or an IoT device in your home will be labeled a conspiracy theorist and opinion then disregarded by those that need to hear it. at this point someone would need to have their device suddenly controlled remotely to even start thinking about privacy.

[Anonymous No.58296421]

>>58284518
wait till you find wownero, it's monero + speculation

[Anonymous No.58296440]

>>58292544
Checked. Can you show me the evidence? I'm considering picking up 100 XMR as an investment for 20 years.

[Anonymous No.58296476]

>>5829644
There is no evidence because its cap lmao.
Entire project is open source.

[Anonymous No.58296479]

>>58296440
There is no evidence because its cap lmao.
Entire project is open source.

[Anonymous No.58296528]

>>58296440
have a look at wownero, way more upside and way less downside potential than xmr

is getting added to cake wallet (over 100k installs on android alone), matter of a few weeks

[Anonymous No.58297812]

>>58295941
Localmonero is a p2p exchange for cash, precious metals, whatever. You can also cash your smr out into drugs.

[Anonymous No.58298284]

Yeah it is, no point in denying that... But who caress? The defi dream is pretty much dead in the water and nobody cares about privacy, 6 out of 7 people are more than happy and willing to bend over and get spied on by apps if they can get cheap entertainment in return for example. Swapped my remaining monero for Super and Btc, I play the money game not the "make an statement" game.

[Anonymous No.58298339]

>>58298284
>who caress?
nobody wanna caress me no more :(

[Anonymous No.58298672]

>>58298284
>The defi dream is pretty much dead in the water
How so? P2P networks exist and function. I isn't ever buy the idea that they would go mainstream. P2P is too much work and too complicated for the normalfag. I suspected that P2P finance would always end up being a niche thing like the rest of p2p networks, like torrent filesharing, for example.
>Swapped my remaining monero for Super and Btc, I play the money game not the "make an statement" game.
I respect that. I don't think any xmr true believer would even disagree with you about the returns of btc vs. xmr.

[Anonymous No.58298691]

>>58298672
>I isn't ever buy the idea
I didn't* ever buy the idea. Pleasr excuse my phonefagging. I am posting from the wage cage.

[Anonymous No.58298739]

>>58286731
Adoption. Trying to hide your activity seems shadey. Institutions will never welcome that won't open arms. There needs to be transparency and the majority of people paying for stuff have no reason to hide what they're buying aside from purely academic reasons. It's nice in principle but there's no real reason to go out of your way to buy or use it in reality.

[Anonymous No.58298880]

>>58298739
>the anti-institutional crypto specifically designed from the ground up to confound and befuddle institutions and governments
>failed at institutional adoption
Uh, oh no. However shall we recover from this?

[Anonymous No.58298896]

>>58298739
>There needs to be transparency and the majority of people paying for stuff have no reason to hide what they're buying aside from purely academic reasons.
Do you work for the IRS? Genuine question.

[Anonymous No.58298913]

>>58298739
>Institutions will never welcome that won't open arms.
Based.

[Anonymous No.58299137]

>>58298880
>>58298896
>>58298913
If you want growth, I don't see how this is going to achieve that if it's harder to get and it actually inconveniences people to obtain by being on obscure exchanges. I totally get the Le heckin basederino anti gov narrative, but the majority people aren't going to get that nuances because there's zero reason for them to do so. I want to make money on crypto and hold something that will go up because a large amount of others can see it's value too. I see this potentially with XMR ifffff one day we all go anti government and we stop using fiat because off ramps will be regulated to all hell. XMRs value would come from a world that uses crypto for crypto and not for crypto to cash out into fiat... That is, if you abide by the laws.

[Anonymous No.58299169]

>>58299137
Compliance cucks get the rope

[Anonymous No.58299304]

>>58299169
And to add to this, Monero has seen growth in usage. Look at any merchant selling products in Monero and Bitcoin. Monero is consistently being used far more than it's market cap would tell. E.g. coin cards and shop in bit.
And of course, Monero now runs the dark net.

[Anonymous No.58299439]

>>58299304
And what's the incentive over say bitcoin cash aside purely from preference? A business for sure and to report taxes so the anonymity aspect is nullified.

[Anonymous No.58299530]

>>58299439
Organic usage on dark net markets leads to vendors having monero and then they spend that Monero.
Monero is actually being used.
The free market is all that we can point to. If there is a market accepting Monero and Bitcoin then Monero is being used far more than it's market cap would suggest. And this is without your pathetic compliance mindset.

[Anonymous No.58299878]

>>58299530
I'm just saying BCH can be bought and stored and sold on PayPal, Robinhood and CEXes. Didn't you have to run an node to have the official monero wallet or is that not the case anymore? BCH also needs zero confirmations and the pruning is better because it is transparent. I just don't understand the advantage of going out of your way for something besides pure preference, which is fine.

[Anonymous No.58300286]

>>58299878
Asic mining is gay
Non built in privacy is also weak
Monero has zero conf.
Centralized exchange shilling is retarded
You don't have to run a node.
There is literally no reason to use BCH instead of Monero.
This retard is literally advocating holding his crypto on centralized exchanges. Anon, you just don't get it. Research fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.58300741]

>>58284518

Unironically true.

[Anonymous No.58300768]

>>58286701
bitcoin's value comes from being a public ledger
monero value comes from being hidden, they aren't really comparable

[Anonymous No.58300804]

I have like 20 old laptops sitting around for a project, this weekend I think I am going to install linux on them and run Xmrig on them all as a hobby project, should be fun, going to be learning networking and this seems like a cool way to do it.

[Anonymous No.58300867]

>>58296528
sounds like a great idea for a 20 year investment lmao

[Anonymous No.58300895]

>it's what btc was supposed to be
what about as a store of value? You buy XMR if you want to lose money as far as that's concerned.

[Anonymous No.58301046]

Anyone notice how nonautistic people that were in the btc space before 2017 that get media coverage sound a lot like pre soviet union marxists while calling central banks communists?
>we will take over the government with our new founded wealth
>we will use crypto to help the oppressed of the third world
>the military spending is out of control bitcoin will fix this

You never see this in monero community, you can't find someone from 2015 or 2016 talking in videos about same ideas like btc rich people? Did all the libertarians in btc get pushed off around 2013 and trash like bitcoin cash and that narcissist roger ver was propped up as a distraction from monero?

[Anonymous No.58301059]

>>58300895
BTC was supposed to be digital cash, not gold. Unfortunately, cash loses value over time.

[Anonymous No.58301110]

>>58301059
You've been so mindbroken by MMT that you take cash=trash as a given

[Anonymous No.58301158]

>>58301110
>mindbroken
Bro we've lived in a "cash loses value" world since before my parents were born. It's what happens now. XMR is less inflationary than our gigatrash cash but its use case is literally just to spend it, that doesn't promote sharp speculative value increases, at least at no point prior to BTC regulation incurring like a 50% tax where XMR becomes where you store your BTC too.

[Anonymous No.58301243]

>>58300895
>what about as a store of value?
BTC is a legendarily shitty store of value, unpredictable and liable to drop at any moment. A SoV needs to be predictable years into the future to inspire the necessary confidence to use it.

Most telling of all is how when traders need an actual store of value to lock in their crypto profits they don't use BTC - they use a stablecoin.

[Anonymous No.58301256]

the midwit container

[Anonymous No.58301499]

>>58290140
lmao probably true

[Anonymous No.58301516]

>>58295356
First, do you understand how blockchains work?

[Anonymous No.58301719]

>>58301243
What’s the most non cucked stable coin besides Monero?

[Anonymous No.58301841]

>>58301719
Kaspa

[Anonymous No.58301881]

>>58301841
ASIC infested speculative garbage.

[Anonymous No.58301919]

>>58284518
Why TF do you faggots care so much about this.

[Anonymous No.58301931]

>>58284518
Legal rehypothecation of cold wallets done by [redacted]

[Anonymous No.58301932]

>>58301919
You guys aren't secret spys or doing anything that requires super secret privacy or whatever so just stfu about this gay ass boomer coin.

[Anonymous No.58301955]

>>58301932

[Anonymous No.58301969]

>>58301955
Nice brown handed meme you got there.

[Anonymous No.58302006]

>>58301243

[Anonymous No.58302290]

>>58301932
Sure, anon. You mind showing me all your transaction activity on your credit card for the last year? You have nothing to hide, right?
If it's not okay for credit cards, why is it okay for BTC?

[Anonymous No.58302931]

>>58301881
This is about the money, anon.
You can double a monerojs stack here and return to monerojs. I did it already in the bear run

[Anonymous No.58302952]

>>58302931
>This is about the money
You must have replied to the wrong post then. Here >>58301719 I asked for the second most non-cucked stable coin, not something to make money.

[Anonymous No.58303061]

>>58284518
Pedocoin

[Anonymous No.58303080]

>>58285447
faggot nigger

[Anonymous No.58303244]

>>58302952
but it is stable

[Anonymous No.58303253]

>>58303244
>speculative bubble
>stable

[Anonymous No.58303325]

>>58303253

[Anonymous No.58303482]

>>58284518
I only bought btc to make money, true decentralization and anonymity on transactions was always going to lead to criminal activity and the funding of terrorist niggers, and you faggots are delusional if you thought otherwise

[Anonymous No.58303498]

>>58303482
>and you faggots are delusional if you thought otherwise
Nigger, it's not a bug. It's a feature. Money without governments or banks. Freedom. Its a sad state of affairs when crypto holders don't even understand the founding vision.

[Anonymous No.58303546]

>>58303498
>Money without governments or banks. Freedom
freedom to scam, fund terrorist movements and allow mobs to move money more easily
I know you faggots only focus on tax evasion since your brains can't handle more information than that, but that's just a fraction of the shit this can bring

[Anonymous No.58303636]

>>58303546
>fund terrorist movements
Can confirm.

[Anonymous No.58305833]

Bump.

[Anonymous No.58307849]

>>58285447
stop begging xmr you bitch.

>>58300768
>monero value comes from being hidden, they aren't really comparable
monero is a public ledger, as well. only, in xmr's ledger, you can't keep track of addresses and utxos. The amounts transacted are trustlessly encrypted using zero knowledge encryption.

[Anonymous No.58307865]

>>58289097
>But I don't use currencies as an investment. That's retarded.
nigger a new-born currency increases in its purchasing power as it grows and finds more people transacting with it.

It is only natural that if you believe XMR has a widespread adoption in the future, that it will be more valuable than what it is today in the future. And that reason alone, you should be stacking into XXX digits of xmr.

[Anonymous No.58307868]

>>58303636
>PLEASE DONATE FOR WAGING
Kek.

[Anonymous No.58307875]

>>58291252
>N-N-NO BITCOIN IS NOT FOR TRANSACTING!!
>K-KEYNESIAN.. YOU ARE A KEYNESIAN-FAGGOT!!
>REAL MONEY IS HOARDED AND HODLED, NEVER SPEDNED!!

[Anonymous No.58307881]

>>58292531
>ringCT is too heavy for bitcoin's size
We will be ditching ringCT for full membership proofs soon. Generalized bulletproofs research is being conducted right now. Monero's "ring size" will reach millions of utxos. God.. I am erect.

[Anonymous No.58307893]

>>58295356
>tell me how using monero is somehow more private than bitcoin transactions
bitcoin transactions:
- addresses are VISIBLE
- amounts are VISIBLE
- utxos are TRACEABLE

monero transactions:
- addresses are NOT EVEN ON THE BLOCKCHAIN
- amounts are ENCRYPTED WITH ZK-PROOFS
- utxos are UNTRACEABLE.

MONERO IS THE FINAL SOLUTION TO THE TAXMAN QUESTION.

[Anonymous No.58308070]

>>58307881
>We will be ditching ringCT for full membership proofs soon
Spoon feed me. When will it come and what will it mean for XMR and how does it work?

[Anonymous No.58308083]

>>58308070
It's about 50-60 ready iirc. Instead of an output being 1 of 16 possible choices as is today with ring signatures, it could be any output in the entire blockchain. It will mean that the glowies can't use heuristics or spam attacks to deanonymize transactions.

[Anonymous No.58309727]

>>58300768
bitcoin's value comes from number going up, as displayed by all the dumb boomer money pouring into it right now

[Anonymous No.58309807]

>>58284518
actually based, Monero is what it should be.
>werks
>low fees
>isn't too volatile most of the time
>anonymous
it's what a currency should be

[Anonymous No.58309924]

>>58303546
>freedom to scam, fund terrorist movements and allow mobs to move money more easily
Yes! And that's a good thing! Fucking faggot I swear to kike christ. I SHOULD be able to fund terrorists and buy drugs if I want. Freedom for freedom's sake and no other.

[Anonymous No.58310024]

>>58302931
>You can double a monerojs stack
You should tell that guy that keeps asking.

[¥ VEIL PROJECT No.58310095]

>>58303482
>muh crime
so just like cash

>>58309727
>>58307893
the funny part is the number goes up because people think it does what XMR does but it doesn’t. it’s a trap for normies desu. they are choosing defacto cbdc slavery.

[Anonymous No.58310122]

>>58310095
I keep a sizable stack simply as a hedge against the price of privacy skyrocketing. I want to ensure I always have access to the black market. The more time goes on, the more I hate the people making the rules. I want to ensure I have a way to operated around them if I feel I must

[Anonymous No.58311060]

>>58310122
The problem is, you aren't going to work around anything in a world where people try to cash out crypto into FIAT as I alluded to in this message >>58299137. These >>58296035 are connected to bank accounts. The only way you are going to work around the government is if/when we live in a world where people use Crypto solely as their means of trade/currency. You're essentially preparing for something that's extremely unlikely to happen due to the way bank accounts/SSNs/national personal identifiers are used to gatekeep fiat offramps.