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Anonymous Wed Dec 10 21:01:17 2014 No.577937 [Reply] [Original]

What are the most profitable jobs that aren't a scam?
How true is this image?

Anonymous Wed Dec 10 21:09:33 2014 No.577942
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>>577937

There are no profitable jobs.

An educated person's time is far more valuable than whatever the employer will pay.

So well-educated people are exchanging their most valuable asset - time - for a disproportionately lower cash value.

There are no profitable jobs (unless the employee is scamming the employer). Only businesses are profitable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 21:15:12 2014 No.577945 >>577942 So the wisest thing to do if you don't have money enough to start a business is getting money from top/god tier jobs then starting your own business?

Anonymous Wed Dec 10 21:20:04 2014 No.577946

>>577945

That is correct.

Going to law school, becoming an established partner in a reputable firm and then starting your own firm later on down the track is a good path.

Same with finance, go and do the hard yards in a big IB and then start your own hedge fund when you're experienced and established enough. Two easy recipes for success. Pretty much everything else is far less straightforward/depends more on natural skill/more difficult.

Anonymous Wed Dec 10 21:20:48 2014 No.577947

>>577945
Sounds good to me. Don't have any fucking thing to do with education, personal experience. Its sad because I really wanted to teach but its horrific and still haven't gotten a paying job, best bet is medicine, economics with statistics double major or computers.

Everything else GTFO.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 21:24:09 2014 No.577951 >>577946 >>577947 Thinking about doing geology and then getting a specialization on gas & oil however after the recent oil crash i don't think it's going to be worth. What are your thoughts on geology?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 21:28:53 2014 No.577956 >>577937 Affiliate Marketing. It's a 3 Billion dollar industry that has produced more independently wealthy millionaires then any other job.

Anonymous Wed Dec 10 21:30:37 2014 No.577958

>>577951
>Thinking about doing geology and then getting a specialization on gas & oil however after the recent oil crash i don't think it's going to be worth.

The natural resources and oil market won't be dead forever, shit always picks up again.

I live in Australia, and while mining has taken a big hit with our low iron prices currently, it's always been a strong industry in Australia.

IMO, if you somehow manage to get a grad job with a mining company with a geology degree or something focusing on resource and mining exploration, you're a made man. The resources sector pays big dollars to qualified people who can locate and discover caches of resource. Mining exploration is particularly lucrative here.

The hard part will be starting your own business in that field, since it's typically dominated by giants like Rio Tinto and Shell.

Anonymous Wed Dec 10 21:35:05 2014 No.577965

>>577956
>It's a 3 Billion dollar industry that has produced more independently wealthy millionaires then any other job.

Also this, but you literally won't find anyone who will help you set up because you're potentially taking their profit.

I have a couple of services at home bookmarked on my other computer that you may want to look into, if I see this thread in a couple of hours when I get home I'll post a link or something. Protip: Know your shit when it comes to webhosting and cpanel.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 21:41:05 2014 No.577973 >>577956 >>577965 >Affiliate Marketing. I thought marketing was a scam, care to elaborate what is this? >>577958 Maybe i can just start store and go from there Thank you for your advice

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 21:46:17 2014 No.577980 >>577973 It is a scam, because it essentially works like a pyramid scheme.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 21:51:17 2014 No.577990 >>577980 The part about >has produced more independently wealthy millionaires then any other job. got me interested as fuck, it's a shame its a pyramid scheme then

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>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 22:33:37 2014 No.578040 >>577990 >got me interested as fuck, it's a shame its a pyramid scheme then Just because it's a pyramid scheme it doesn't mean you can't make money from it.

Anonymous Wed Dec 10 22:42:29 2014 No.578045

>>577937
You're asking about jobs but posted an image about majors, that's not a good sign. As far as that chart is concerned it's generally accurate in terms of salary but depending on how motivated you are you should be able to find job somewhere as long as you aren't picky.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 22:52:20 2014 No.578054 >>578045 In my country majors= jobs that will pay a living salary. >>578040 Could you explain more?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 22:56:11 2014 No.578058 >>577937 >Math/physics/astronomy/law/stats/pharmacology all above computer science Its true if you want to be broke. Major in finance you fucking retard, you'll make a ton of money.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 23:07:13 2014 No.578067 I've been kind of curious if Dual majoring in the STEM field and a Foreign language is a good choice economically. For specification, my majors are French and Computer Science.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 23:32:11 2014 No.578091 >>578067 Why would you need to major in French instead of just taking French classes?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 23:44:06 2014 No.578100 >>578091 How does majoring in a language works? not from USA

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 23:46:47 2014 No.578102 >>577937 Economics has to be Top or God tier. How the fuck is toxicology geology Top Tier and Kinesiology mid tier.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 23:51:26 2014 No.578108 >>578102 How geology isn't top tier?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 23:53:37 2014 No.578109 >>578108 A geologist makes like 50k yearly while an Economist can make like 120k yearly, and can get multiple other different kinds of jobs with an economics major What the fuck can you get with a geology degree? Become a geologist and that's it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 23:57:26 2014 No.578110 >>578109 What the fuck? Here in my country geologist have the same salary as engineers and can get even more money if they specialize in oil & gas later(something like 100k a year) also they travel alot don't hate on me mate, i didn't do this chart

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 10 23:59:02 2014 No.578114 >>578110 Haha, not hating on you. Yeah but, the 50k & 100k-120k is just an average.

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 00:01:37 2014 No.578117

>>578091
Because my Uni wont let me do internships in France if I didn't.
>>578100
Well, in my program, we memorize and repeat texts a lot, have conversations with others in French, and generally try to assimilate to the best of our ability with the language. We also take trips abroad on occasion and Financial aid covers those.

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 00:02:59 2014 No.578119

>>578114
I am fairly young and i don't know what do with my life despite going to the gym and reading some books.
I hated the thought of majoring but geology seemed a good idea because i could travel, get good money and it isn't very hard however(i know this is cliche as fuck, sorry) after watching ''catch me if you can'' and ''the wolf of wallstreet'' i am in love with the thought about being a millionaire and with /biz/ in general. Can you expand on economics?
BTW i live in brazil

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 00:09:41 2014 No.578128 >>578119 I don't know about Brazil but here in America there are tons of opportunities for economic majors Don't take my word on anything however, with a economics PhD you're highly desirable. Economics is a Top Tier to me or so but not a God Tier.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 00:17:52 2014 No.578135 >>578128 Thank you. I think it's not really hard to be a millionaire at old age however at young age it must be fucking hard

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 00:40:09 2014 No.578146 I have a degree in physics and it is fucking worthless and now I'm a loser NEET. Study finance or computer science or something marketable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 00:46:41 2014 No.578149 >>577937 Why is computer science in mid tier ? In my uni, you can master in engineering after your bachelor in computer science but nobody does it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 00:55:13 2014 No.578152 >>578146 Does economics count as finance? >>578149 idk this was on /pol/

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 01:06:55 2014 No.578157 >>577937 Completely false. The picture depicts only a true conservative might think

int3n Thu Dec 11 01:13:45 2014 No.578162

here in Canada we have the university of Waterloo in Ontario and it has the hardest math course in Canada. (Mathematical Finance) it is essentially actuarial science and pure mathematics put together. actuarial science is statistics and actuary's can make $120k starting, and can go up quickly too $250k, $500k within 10 years - 15 years, but that's still too slow for me, so I'm taking mathematical finance because it blends statistics and pure mathematics which is so desirable that 96% of graduates get a job 2 years before they graduate and the salary is the same as an economist starting 120k+, and you can use this degree to work for any single fucking investment bank you want because it's such a highly specialized program and requires a minimum 90% UWATERLOO math average to even be considered for it. its that hard but the pay off is astronomical.

investment banking is where the big $ is made at young ages, you start off with about 70k-80k and then a bonus of like $50k, and by 3rd year you're making $250k with salary and bonus, then by year 6 you're making $500k-750k, and then you're in the 1.5mill-3mill within 10 - 12 years.

the thing about mathematical finance is that employers have been paying graduates starting at $250k-$350k, which is basically skipping the analyst (3 years) as an investment banker and going straight to being an associate investment banker which basically means ur top shit under executives and directors.

its an amazing thing to get into

but if you think its too hard look into

actuarial science

economics

statistics/systems design/optimization

any of these are great for making $ when ur starting in most areas

-int3n

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 01:29:32 2014 No.578178 File: 482 KB, 245x183, 1414317965171.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>577937 Medicine should really be in its own tier above everything else as long as we're talking US doctors.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 01:34:11 2014 No.578186 >>578178 >medicine being above math You can't be serious.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 01:36:39 2014 No.578189 >>578186 You don't seem to realize how much doctors have to do in the US to become doctors.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 01:38:08 2014 No.578190 >>577937 Bullshit. One of my close friends did geology in uni, He's now in the army fixing guns.

>>	deleted Thu Dec 11 02:30:39 2014 No.578212 >>578146 Why didn't you do a PhD? Did you want to be a high school teacher?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 03:15:52 2014 No.578239 >>578162 bullshit

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 03:20:11 2014 No.578241 I'm considering opening a post-production studio here in Sydney with in 5 years Think there's enough of a market here, or should I take it to America?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 03:28:50 2014 No.578243 >>578109 >can make See the word "can" What about everyone else?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 14:35:43 2014 No.578579 >>578162 Are you serious about >and then you're in the 1.5mill-3mill within 10 - 12 years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 14:48:34 2014 No.578590 >>578058 how?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 14:52:34 2014 No.578594 >>578119 >>578152 Economics is not finance. Most of the movies you see like that are finance.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 15:09:47 2014 No.578612 >>578594 Thank you anon. Still waiting for the >then you're in the 1.5mill-3mill within 10 - 12 years.

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 15:23:53 2014 No.578634

>>577937
My major is in the "top tier", but this image is more or less bullshit.

What makes success is the person himself, not the major.

A slave with a PhD in physics will make less, and be less useful to mankind, than a bold and clever man with some obscure computer science degree.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 15:37:25 2014 No.578640 >>577937 Why is Computer Science mid tier?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 16:07:26 2014 No.578664 >>578640 It's oversaturated by lame front-end web devs and people that can't develop a way out of a wet cardboard box.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 16:11:53 2014 No.578667 >>578664 What majors aren't oversaturated at this age?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 16:24:13 2014 No.578674 >>578667 Ones that require skill. There's always room in the world for people who take their time to learn their major and become proficient at it. If it's STEM, you only need to pick a specialization that you like and work towards it.

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 16:45:34 2014 No.578690

God: finance, comp sci, software engineering, chemical engineering, any program at prestige school (ivy, stanford, etc)
High: applied math (actuarial sci etc), applied science (inc engineering), accounting
Okay: social sciences, traditional liberal arts, theoretical math/science
Bad: operations management, business administration, marketing, info tech/systems
You're fucked: post modern lib arts ("women's studies", gender studies, Latin american studies, etc), communications

Assumes some degree of competence; high tier fields become shit tier quickly if you get bad grades, don't do internships, etc.

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 16:51:18 2014 No.578697

>>577946
getting into law firms is pretty tough these days. Much easier to get into an accounting firm and try to make partner.

As an accountant you wont be viewed as a waste as money as well as you understand a form of math which is fairly complicated.

Accounting is also cheaper i terms of education. Law school is barely worth it unless you are a genius and go to a tier 1.

Law is no longer the dream it used to be.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 17:28:13 2014 No.578721 >>578040 This

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 17:56:39 2014 No.578741 >>577937 What about freelance art? That's kind of like having a business, right?. I've been studying for the last few years on my own to build up a strong portfolio.

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 19:03:49 2014 No.578809

>>578697
>Accounting is also cheaper i terms of education. Law school is barely worth it unless you are a genius and go to a tier 1.
>Law is no longer the dream it used to be.

LSAT is easy as fuck and its 90% of law school admission. I took a partial practice one without studying and got ~168. You just need to study a bunch and do practice tests so you're able to handle the long testing period and you learn the different types of logic puzzles.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 19:18:54 2014 No.578826 Economics should be higher. Seems Americans have something against it. Top UK universities offer it and it's somewhat competitive. Only downside to it is that it makes you the Jack of all trades and not specialised like other subjects.

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 19:30:47 2014 No.578836
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Guys don't major in economics. Economics is a liberal arts. It is not actually a skill. Economics majors are not in demand.
what skills do an economist have that a philosophy major doesn't.
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/life-physical-and-social-science/economists.htm

>Employment Change, 2012-22: 2,300

2,300 jobs that is it.

What makes you think you are going to be one of those 2,300.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 19:33:41 2014 No.578842 I'm currently pursuing a degree in business management. Is it legit?

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 19:37:42 2014 No.578845

Anyone else on /biz/ study engineering?
I'm about half way done through my CE degree and I fucking can't stand most of my classes /biz/.
My gpa isn't good (2.8ish) either. I'm sick of studying day and night for subjects that have nothing to do with computer engineering (statics, thermo, most of calc, it goes on).
It's so depressing to study so much in engineering still fuck up on the exams. You really have to nail all of the concepts to get decent grades. I don't even enjoy assembly (core CE class)
I was lucky enough to nail a pretty great internship that would pay well, and it's not even half as stressful as getting my fucking degree.
Bottom line, if you want to study engineering know what you're getting into. I should have went CS in hindsight but it's too late now. Engineering WILL kick your ass unless you're very diligent or genius tier.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 19:59:59 2014 No.578870 Marine Transportation/Marine Engineering Look it up, I dare you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 20:13:39 2014 No.578881 File: 239 KB, 1000x696, 1417047061001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>578590 Just follow the money

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 20:23:10 2014 No.578889

>>578690
I'm currently majoring in marketing...how fucked am I? I plan on trying to open a business afterwards or bring a product of some sorts to market. Like how is Marketing such a shit tier? I can see it if you're one of the jack offs that have absolutely no personality or drive to do well or take advantage of it. But all an all what's the deal with it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 20:28:38 2014 No.578893 What about an AS in fire science /biz/?

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 20:41:53 2014 No.578913

>>578845
you study engineering [to become an engineer] without wanting/be willing to study actual engineering courses?
would you mind killing yourself? or maybe give your money directly to liber art schools since you might have chosen the wrong road of action.

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 22:09:09 2014 No.579021
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>>577937
God tier: Do what you love
Top tier: Do something you like and get paid decently
Mid tier: Do something you don't like but get paid well
Shit/low Tier : Do something you don't like and get paid shit
All you need son.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 22:10:41 2014 No.579025 >>579021 And where is the most common "do what you love and get paid shit"?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 22:15:53 2014 No.579032 >>578893 have fun in your one story house in the boonies anon

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 22:17:37 2014 No.579036

>>579025
It fits in with "Do what you love" so that would be God tier. If it's really what you love, then you're probably very good at it, or will be pretty soon, so you'll be making money, and if not, it doesn't matter because you're already doing what you would be doing if you had all the money in the world.

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 22:25:12 2014 No.579046

Studying electrical engineering, but I don't really enjoy it. I used to be studying criminology but I didn't like it either. Now, can /biz/ tell me how they found a career they enjoy doing?

Is the career you're doing all for the money? Cause I'm having trouble deciding what I want to be in life, and i need some tips and advice on what to do in the future

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 22:26:30 2014 No.579052

>>578913
you don't even know what you're talking about, you sound like a retard.
Many, probably most people within CE don't end up doing real computer engineering (EE, assembly, writing firmware).
I've already landed a job at an investment bank doing system admin work. This is very common within the major.
Statics, fluids, chem, bio. All of that is useless in my future yet I spend most of my time doing exactly those

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 22:27:02 2014 No.579053 >>579046 used to study*

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 22:40:19 2014 No.579067

>>578826
econ is not that in demand in the US unless you went to an ivy or get a phd

>>578889
marketing is one of the go-to options for people who
a) don't want to do math
b) don't know what they want to do
on the one hand, that's good because the competition is usually shit, but on the other hand it sends bad signals about you as a candidate. the job market isn't terribad but the pay is usually quite low until very senior levels.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 22:41:39 2014 No.579069 >tfw you have a statistics/finance degree and plan on getting a law degree next to practice M&A law

Anonymous Thu Dec 11 22:48:41 2014 No.579077

>>578058
>law
>being broke
Yeahl, if youre shit. Being a corporate lawyer with a top 15% degree is a fucking gold mine. It requires more dedication than almost anything though. The most chill job for big money is corporate finance. Its a joke compared to actual investment banking (in terms of stress).

>>579025
Generally means that you love doing something so much that the payment doesnt even matter. Which puts it above anything else.

If a shit paid job still makes you happy then you know that you struck gold.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 22:49:44 2014 No.579081 >>578845 I'm in ce too. you liked computer? go learn about dcs, scada, and find a company in suppling scada/dcs equipments or doing epc on it. it's basically entwined ce+cs

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 23:28:11 2014 No.579125 >>579021 God tier: do what you love High tier: do what you're good at Mid tier: do what makes a lot of money Low tier: do what your parents tell you to do Shit tier: do what anonymous strangers on a Laotian claymation website tell you to do

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 11 23:52:14 2014 No.579148 >>>579125 >>>579021 This is so fucking nice, keep making people getting in thousands of debts just to hold an worthless degree

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 00:18:46 2014 No.579183
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>>578809
>>577946

Is this forum full of people who know nothing pretending that they do? As if anyone in 2014 just walks into a job at a tier firm doing doc review, let alone jumps on the partnership track. You guys are talking about less than 5% of graduates.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 00:33:39 2014 No.579208 File: 52 KB, 640x802, pizza hat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] a degree will only get you so far... Really depends on what choices you make, who you know, location, etc.

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 00:41:46 2014 No.579227

>>578109

"while an Economist can make like 120k yearly"

What planet are you from?

>>578634 <<<<< THIS

>>578690 <<< finance is over-saturated as fuck at my school and you have to be a genius to make what you want...

I have internships with EY and PwC and turned down one from Synchrony Financial with an IS major... major doesn't matter to an extent, the school you go and who you are to matters more than the major

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 00:41:50 2014 No.579228

By reading this thread, I noticed a flaw in some people's opinions.

You don't need to major in finance, accounting, or economics to get into IB or the works. In fact, the best analysts we've ever had came from an engineering background.

We have 14 analysts. 9 came from being a Comp Sci major who developed a trading algorithim in University. 3 actually came from a Finance/Econ background. One was a English major.

Not that all firms are biased towards Engineering backgrounds, but it's certainly progressing that way. Everything is becoming automated and technical.

IMO University is worthless no matter what you choose to major in if you're taking out loans for everything. You shouldn't borrow more than your expected starting salary after graduation. A realistic expectation, not the average salary on Glassdoor or Salary.com. And pick something you're good at. It makes college a lot easier and less stressful, giving you more time to have fun.

When I'm reviewing applicants, I don't even care what their Undergrad major is, or their GPA. I look at Graduate degrees if any, and what organizations/clubs they were involved in. Then it all basically comes down to experience and references. A person who got a 4.0 GPA in Finance from a Uni like UVA but never particpated in a finance club, or networked, or completed an internship, and his only references are professors, isn't going to get anywhere.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 00:49:34 2014 No.579237 >>579228 >to get into IB or the works. But that's just one application

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 08:46:21 2014 No.579432

>>579228
This post gives me fucking cancer. You know that a person has literally no clue what hes talking about when he claims that social activities in college have a big impact on a persons understanding in regards to analyzing the market. The only valuable thing you mentioned are internships, the rest is pants on head retarded. Hell, I would go as far and claim that being social is the most worthless skill in all of finance.

Sure, it might look nice in your vita but thats about it. You sound like one of those clowns who seriously claims that going abroad for a semester will lend perspective and make you develop as a person. Delusion at its best.

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 09:03:34 2014 No.579438

>>579432
>You know that a person has literally no clue what hes talking about when he claims that social activities in college have a big impact on a persons understanding in regards to analyzing the market
That isn't what he's saying at all
And being social is a huge aspect in the financial, ie the business of buying and selling, industry at large
You have no clue what the culture is like at an IB

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 09:04:43 2014 No.579439 >>579032 That sounds nice honestly, that snide comment wont stop me from getting a career in firefighting either

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 09:09:07 2014 No.579441

>>579432
I think you wildly missed the point here.

Any major related to business is almost sure to land someone a job if they have proper networking out of college. It's NEVER about what you know, it's about WHO you know. That's why brain-dead jocks can land nice comfy jobs: they're the ones usually burning books and connecting with other people. The only kind of jobs that would require someone to seclude themselves in with studies would be a research field or, heaven forbid, an accounting degree where you actually need to SHOW that you actually know how to do a damn thing

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 09:20:21 2014 No.579447

>>579438
He was talking about analysists, not traders. Its not your job to buy or sell as an analyst, at least not in the beginning. Later, when you are in an established position you will probably end up doing so. But for the first years all you do is write recommendations and reports, trying to show that you understand the logic behind how a market is developing. You dont make any trades. Theres no social aspect to being an analyst, stop spouting this bullshit.

This might change massively later on, but you have enough time to establish business relationships while youre working.

>>579441
He was talking about a specific job though. Not about a major, not a field, but a very specific job.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 10:11:42 2014 No.579478 >>578058 CS isn't supposed to be the codemonkey degree, being a mathematical field, but it has an unfortunate tendency of being used that way. >>578690 Petrol specialists are in high demand, chemistry in general is not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 11:21:34 2014 No.579506 What should I go for if I am average in maths?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 11:24:45 2014 No.579508 >>577937 Looks to me like that image was crcreated by some ass mad STEM major who isn't making as much as he'd hoped he would with his cute little degree.

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 14:55:11 2014 No.579649
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>>577942
I have a bachelors of science,

I work minimum wage in a cinema

>95% of my time is spent on my phone or writing/studying

>don't do any work or anything

I'm losing money by not working a slightly higher paying job,

but at the same time since I'm basically going to work to do what I'd be doing at home its not actually that bad

Also when I'm not on my phone or doing math problems/studying programming at "work", I can wander into a screen and watch the latest movie.

There is a manager but he hasn't told me to do anything in 6months +,

there are team leaders but they almost all don't give a shit and avoid work too
>>577946
>partner
>start own hedgefund

if you fuck up you will lose all of your shit

its better to max out at MD inside a huge firm, like IB and goldman sachs, if you fuck up there your huge organisation will cover most of the losses

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 15:02:16 2014 No.579652 What would you agree was better. A degree in software development or Computer Science?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 15:04:54 2014 No.579653 So the tl;dr is: 1- Do finances/economics 2- Network 3- Start your business or some shit 4- ???? 5- Profit ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 15:22:21 2014 No.579670 >>577937 Holy shit that chart. >Astronomy >Physics >Law >In god tier

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 15:46:48 2014 No.579692 >>577937 I work with someone who has a BA in physics. I work at a warehouse.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 15:49:42 2014 No.579696 >>579692 Well, isnt a PhD in natural sciences mandatory to get anywhere?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 16:09:35 2014 No.579712 >>579432 some companies send their grads abroad. The guy who went solo dolo around the world and came back alive is a better bet than the math nerd shutin

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 16:14:22 2014 No.579715 >>579712 >some companies send their grads abroad What are you saying? They send them abroad to do what? Work? Thats a smart move.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 16:36:15 2014 No.579734 >LAW >TOP TIER YOU WILL NOT RUSTLE MY JIMMIES

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 16:37:48 2014 No.579736 >>579734 Whats your problem with law?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 18:08:00 2014 No.579832 >>578664 web devs are not computer scientist. I don't know where all these faggot javascript hypster developper do their studies but they certainly didn't do it in my uni.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 18:21:37 2014 No.579842 How would you rate Logistics?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 18:25:29 2014 No.579845 >>577937 >business >low tier kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 18:34:02 2014 No.579852 >>579842 idk man, i didn't make this image

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 18:45:02 2014 No.579863
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>>577937

Ok /biz/ help me out here. I'm a programmer with skill/experience that equals or surpasses any CS grad I know. I also have a solid founding in maths & physics. But, like a pleb I went and did an arts degree (film/media production major + history minor).

What are my options? What kind of tech-based jobs could I go for that don't need actual physical qualifications (a degree)? Or should I just go back to uni and slog out a CS/Math undergrad (another 4 years)?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 18:55:10 2014 No.579878 >>579852 Well im asking everyone in general.

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 18:56:02 2014 No.579879

Honestly I have 2 honest things to say:

1. For the MOST part, a degree does not make the person. Its what the person has done, the skills they have learned, and who have they met during college

2. That piece of paper opens doors to most potential jobs you can get. So Majoring in English Lit wont qualify you for a Senior chemical engineering position. College is an investment, so choose what interests your but be realistic as well when planning for after college.

Also, I'll take the bait. I'm an BS in Information Systems major and for the most part I don't know why people shit on it. Its what you make of it and I'm currently going above and Beyond My Tier 1 education for IS.
- For programming jobs, it doesn't matter what you have for a tech degree. As long as you can program, understand algorithms, operating systems, and know the logic of how software and hardware works. and implement that into projects.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 19:14:40 2014 No.579889 >>579879 Ya know I havent seen very many IS grads on here. I'm currently a student pursuing the same degree. Any tips? Certifications I should look into? Do you like your job?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 19:18:17 2014 No.579892 >>579863 Do you have a portfolio to back up your claims? If so, what would you like to work with?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 20:08:19 2014 No.579914 >>578836 Hardly anyone majors in economics to be an economist go into a banking or finance field and take extra math classes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 20:22:12 2014 No.579925 Any job where you can contract yourself out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 20:56:16 2014 No.579954 >>579925 I dont understand what you said here

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:07:11 2014 No.579968 >>579148 Nobody said anything about degrees dipshit

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 21:22:48 2014 No.579976 >Computer Science not at least being top tier

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:03:00 2014 No.580003

>>577937
Physics is interesting but if you want money is not the way to go. Mathematics is very similar. You can use the tools you will learn to succeed in other areas but it is not easy.

In the past it was true that some experimental physicist were migrating to finance and got a lot money. This is not true anymore; at least is not that easy for them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:08:32 2014 No.580008 >>577937 Lawyer Doctor Executive (MBA route) Real Estate Broker Sales (B2B) Engineer

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:09:32 2014 No.580009

>>579976
>>>578836
> Hardly anyone majors in economics to be an economist
> go into a banking or finance field and take extra math classes.
>>>
>Anonymous (ID: b9XVhH7j) 12/12/14(Fri)17:22:12 No.579925▶
>>>579954
> Any job where you can contract yourself out.
>>>
>Anonymous (ID: F1ugl6wN) 12/12/14(Fri)17:56:16 No.579954▶
> >>579925
> I dont understand what you said here
>>>
>Anonymous (ID: W8QGjWZ/) 12/12/14(Fri)18:07:11 No.579968▶
> >>579148
> Nobody said anything about degrees dipshit

Computer Science is overrated, its too full of normalfags who not not passionate about science or tech. Only there for the paycheck

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 22:35:33 2014 No.580040 Opinions on microbiology or anything similar to that field of study?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:06:02 2014 No.580071 >>578243 I'm sure a McDonalds Cashier can make 120k!! xddd No, not everybody else can. >>579227 120k is a bit exaggerated but it's around 100k.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:25:31 2014 No.580096 >>578842 No it's not. You can figure it out on your own without money and time wasted

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:28:04 2014 No.580098

>>580096
Well, to be fair, this could be said about almost anything. The only reason why other degrees are more valuable is because the job actually requires you to have one.

Like law for example. You can be the best lawyer walking the earth. Without a degree you wont even be allowed to do shit.

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:33:49 2014 No.580106

I am deciding between geology(not from america), living a life without much stress, travelling the all the world, trying to get a nice life at Norway and find a qt there, marrying her and trying to be as honorable, traditional as possible with my kids

Or getting into finances, study, networking and working hard as a motherfucker and getting rich then have a degenerate lifestyle.
I really don't know what to choose.

Anonymous Fri Dec 12 23:38:37 2014 No.580114

>>580106
If the only reason you want to go into finance is the money then you wont get far. To succeed in the field you need to be a pretty competitive person. Only that way you can make enough money to somewhat justify doing something you dislike.

If I was you I would just go for geology. The fact that you can name such a rather specific field as something you like says a lot. Being mediocre in finance wont make you millions.

Finance and Law probably are the most risky fields because a lot of people just do it for the money, not realizing that they wont get far if thats their only motivation.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 00:12:43 2014 No.580147

>>580114
I am very competitive and i would strive for the best, i'm also very outgoing. I think one of the worst things is being mediocre.
I don't like geology that much, i like the implications(travelling, dont need to work hard) however it's not like working hard is an downside to me. I really like money, and it's not just the money, its the power, everything, money IS everything in this world i don't know, i hate i cant express myself better because of my shitty english, sorry
What do you do?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 01:03:35 2014 No.580187 Accountants can be paid just as much as a doctor without the fees of medical school, how the fuck is it not top/god, especially with enough expierence you can transition to finance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 01:14:16 2014 No.580192 >History is a shit degree for twats >Your kid doesnt know about the battle of whatever?!??! What the fuck do they teach in schools these days?

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 01:29:18 2014 No.580205

>>580192
Factual information about history is often not all that useful (your battle of X example works well here). More useful is understanding history as a series of causes and effects and political relations that play tug of war with billions of lives.

And while that requires context best provided by a historian, it won't help you get many jobs or get paid, which is sadly why a lot of people have to go to college now. If you want to learn history and are not inheriting a fortune, you are better off figuring it out on your own and putting those tens of thousands of dollars into something more practical.

Sorry about the PTSD you are obviously experiencing from a conversation about history majors. It just isn't relevant to many jobs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 01:39:04 2014 No.580219 >>578239 Not bullshiting this is all true facts I've read and done research about since fucking grade 7/8 and I'm 19 now man

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 01:40:34 2014 No.580220 >>578579 Yeah, 100% serious I've done a lot of research into these jobs, about 6-7 years worth

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 01:56:41 2014 No.580240 >>580187 Because you are forced to give up your soul to become an accountant. Either that or you were born boring and empty

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 02:03:06 2014 No.580247

>>579649
>but at the same time since I'm basically going to work to do what I'd be doing at home its not actually that bad
The sad part, though, is the fact that you're doing a job meant for people with out a bachelors. Instead, your degree, the one you spent $XXX,XXX and 4 years of your life on, is withering away in value.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 02:03:17 2014 No.580248 File: 1.90 MB, 312x250, 1392781918758.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>577942 >Fedora tipping intensifies

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 02:15:15 2014 No.580258 >>578054 As long as you pawn your shit off to people lower than you, then the pyramid keeps going, and then you get the money. There's always gonna be people above you, but you'll still make money

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 02:44:36 2014 No.580273 >>580258 How do get into a high position then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 02:51:21 2014 No.580278 >>580240 >Implying that's not true for most high-paying professions You gotta work hard to make it to the top and work just as hard to stay there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 04:10:31 2014 No.580291 political science student here Am I fucked or does it depend on what you make of it? Ive two internships at the national parliament and one at mckinsey lined up for my next holidays and will major in IR.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 04:19:27 2014 No.580295

Learn to fix heating and cooling systems. Bonus points for auto repair. It's not going to be glamorous, and you won't be sailing around in a yacht anytime soon, but you'll earn a comfortable living, especially if you live in an area where there's not much competetion, and two, if you're on call 24/7, and someone needs something done yesterday, you can charge pretty much whatever you want(for the heating/cooling part that is.)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 05:19:07 2014 No.580319 >>577990 If that's the level of research you're willing to do I doubt you'd be successful anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 05:20:57 2014 No.580321 >>579736 its worthless..

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 06:35:52 2014 No.580349 >>580321 Last time I checked it was one of the the best paying careers in existence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 11:52:13 2014 No.580491 >>580291 If you're actually going into politics with a political science degree then good for you. Very few political science students actually do anything with their degree.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 12:24:52 2014 No.580512 >>578809 I can tell you'll end up being a soft tissue injury, ambulance chaser lawyer. I can see your photo now on the back of the yellow pages.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 12:30:38 2014 No.580516 >>578836 This. I've worked with plenty of people when I was in the restaurant industry that were Econ majors from top tier schools who couldn't find jobs for shit. They had to keep working at the restaurants to pay off their student loans.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 12:35:13 2014 No.580520

>>578842
Only if you go to a top tier school. Try to get an internship as early and minor in a specific field like marketing, finance.

Work on networking and building up your resume with relevant experience. The market is over saturated with business management majors.

Or you can apply everything you learn in business school and start your own business.

Anonymous Sat Dec 13 13:00:46 2014 No.580542

>>579692
Does he calculate how much energy is required to offset the earth's gravitational pull when stacking boxes?

J/k. I've worked with plenty of intelligent people with what you would think would be awesome degrees.

Our now globalized, capitalistic economic system is cyclical and are prone booms and busts. Just hope your ass doesn't graduate with retard level debts in a bust cycle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 13:09:29 2014 No.580547 >>580096 Protip: 90% of new businesses fail. Business management is extremely useful if he/she wants to start his own business. Dont be a dismissive know it all. Running a business is hard and can be complex.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 14:51:29 2014 No.580686 >>580520 In the end is it all about networking?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 17:15:10 2014 No.580863 >>580273 You have to know some suckers that you can scam.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 17:47:21 2014 No.580894 >>580686 Pretty much. It's a scientifically proven fact that people give preferential treatment to those they know than complete strangers, even if it's just on a level of acquaintance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 13 20:39:31 2014 No.581078 I'm 19, a lazy shit and barely able to do algebra. What are my options?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 00:51:05 2014 No.581247 >>577951 Geology student here at ut Austin. With a masters degree you get 100k starting oil and gas. You can get decent environmental jobs with just the bachelors around 50-60k starting

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 00:53:18 2014 No.581248 >>581247 I am from Brazil, do you think there is a small chance i'd end up in norway/aus/anywhere that isn't a shithole like here through companies and stuff?

Anonymous Sun Dec 14 01:10:21 2014 No.581256

>>581248
All the oil and gas jobs are here in. Houston Texas it's guaranteed you'd have to work here my mentor got her mining degree from Colorado school of mines. She had to move to France. There's not much with minining anymore. Also oil companies only recruit at Texas colleges, Oklahoma and some in Colorado. I had an interview with a chevron for an internship I'm only 20. They didn't hire any of us because of the low gas prices. Even though I didn't get hired I'm glad they interested in my at such a young age

Anonymous Sun Dec 14 01:13:23 2014 No.581257

>>581248
I can tell you that the job market in Norway is very difficult to get your foot in the door as a foreigner with no connections.
Loads of qualified EU citizens have come here to apply for various jobs and even if they're qualified they end up having to send out hundreds of applications and getting maybe 1 or 2 interviews. Then they go broke from the high costs here and use up all their savings and end up going to red cross for handouts.

Anonymous Sun Dec 14 02:32:04 2014 No.581284

>>581256
>All the oil and gas jobs are here in Houston Texas
Not true at all. There are a lot of oil and gas jobs in Houston, but there are plenty elsewhere. But >>581257 is true, too. They are usually more concentrated and spread out, and require some kind of connection or incredibly good luck.

>>	Jack-Nickel Jew Sun Dec 14 02:53:57 2014 No.581288 >>580291 You're beyond fucked

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 09:17:19 2014 No.581411 >>581257 >>581284 I could try doing my masters at norway networking there while living at sweden or another near country with now so much costs? its a gamble

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 09:27:26 2014 No.581417 >>577937 >Stem circle jerk >No based accounting or finance >putting astronomy at top >not realizing medicine is 300k in debt after school for 15years >Not becoming a banker and making 130k at 22

Anonymous Sun Dec 14 09:45:30 2014 No.581425

>>581078
to either ask them if they would like ketchup with their fries or if they know that the guacamole is extra.

but your best option would be to stop dicking around and start applying yourself

>>580187
because it is not viewed as being an interesting field

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 11:43:20 2014 No.581468 >>577947 look for northeastern states with unions and teaching jobs do pay very well

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 16:45:55 2014 No.581721 Experts = $$$ Expert in any field will make more money then a retard in "godtier" field. Great welders can make 300k a year. I rest my case.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 22:28:02 2014 No.582042 >>581834 is this serious?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 22:42:33 2014 No.582053 Why does biz have ids?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 22:50:10 2014 No.582058 >>582042 Yes. Start your own business or just die. You control everything. Don't be a slave for the rest of your life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 23:30:41 2014 No.582083 >>577937 Rate my finance statistics double major I have a gpa of 3.9 btw

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 23:37:08 2014 No.582088 >>582058 You have no idea what a slave is, do you?

Anonymous Sun Dec 14 23:53:12 2014 No.582101
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>>577937
>Life science at mid tier
Move that shit and kinesiology to lower, move geology and IT to mid, and biz and econ to top. This chart is old as fuck and doesn't apply to the US anymore.

>tfw life science MS grad who's been underemployed for 18 months.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 14 23:58:21 2014 No.582104 File: 46 KB, 700x520, fucking_invincible.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>582101 Tfw finance stats double major, not done yet tho Yfw I'm interning for sachs SOON

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 00:04:27 2014 No.582106 >tfw had job offers a semester before graduating >based Chem engineering It feels good. I know you biz fags hate STEM, but lets be honest, there's less competition in engineering than, lets say, finance or accounting. Less competition -> easier jobs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 00:23:00 2014 No.582120 >tfw shitty freshman with no idea wtf to major in

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 07:21:58 2014 No.582288 >>582106 Yeah, more job stability, but also less of a possible pay off.

Anonymous Mon Dec 15 08:20:04 2014 No.582324

>>577990
You know pyramid schemes work right? The majority of the working world is built on them. Most wealth is built on the labor of others, at least MLM structures make it obvious how to go about getting this for yourself and knowing exactly who above you has their cock in your ass

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 08:21:41 2014 No.582325 >>582104 good goy

Anonymous Mon Dec 15 08:40:56 2014 No.582328

>>578058
>he thinks the people who make money in finance have degrees in finance

No you fucking idiot, the only time you should pursue degrees in the exact field you are working in is: when it is a graduate program and for a job you already have (and even then, your work should be paying a good chunk of it), or when the job requires highly specialized knowledge to perform, but even then you learn specialized skills in graduate school not as your major.

Undergraduate degrees are for developing a way of thinking, not learning skills. This thinking is why so many people can't pay off their student loans and have turned college into a requirement. If you want to be middle class and earning only just enough to not die if you miss a paycheck, then by all means get a finance or accounting degree. Work in a cubicle 9-5 for 50 years; maybe make middle management by age 45.

Here is the cold truth; if you pursue a degree that has a job attached to it as your major, you are shooting yourself in the foot.
What you need in undergrad is to develop a frame of thinking and approaching problems that will allow you to succeed. That is why STEM fields are on top, the students who complete these degrees are superior workers. They will outperform, outscore, and outlearn people who take degrees like "business, finance, accounting, marketing". What you spend 4 years on can be learned in 1 year at the grad level and when you begin competing with them for jobs and opportunities they are more developed thinkers than you.

Math, Physics, and some forms of Engineering or CIS are the best problem solvers. They outperform every undergrad in every single grad entrance exam, look at the bls for more information. Off hand, I know the average score for physics and math on the law exam is a 96, the next highest isnt even above 90.

If you cant do math, pick a hard major that requires a lot of analysis, critical thought and reflection, and reporting those ideas clearly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 08:43:37 2014 No.582330 >>578109 Not an economist who studies economics (excluding ph.d who work at hedges). Looking at a job and conflating that to mean people who study the field of that job make those earnings is wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 08:48:59 2014 No.582331 File: 54 KB, 331x500, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>579021 Read this anon. Everyone ITT read it actually

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 08:54:58 2014 No.582336 >>582328 >If you cant do math, pick a hard major that requires a lot of analysis, critical thought and reflection, and reporting those ideas clearly. Such as?

Anonymous Mon Dec 15 09:17:30 2014 No.582350

>>582328
>the only time you should pursue degrees in the exact field you are working in is
Lets be honest. Its almost any fields outside of finance or economics.

You wont be hired to be an engineer without a proper degree. Same applies for other natural scienes, languages, history and especially law.

Anonymous Mon Dec 15 09:36:17 2014 No.582358

>>582336
I don't want to give specific examples, because a lot of fields are very much about how the institute teaches it. For example, my girlfriend did her undergrad as a double major Psych/Bio. Her schools psych program is very well known for the research the profs do and it shows in the classes, the place a large emphasis on teaching the students how to do research and what questions to ask, how to get an answer; on the other side, my sister is at a school doing the same thing and her program is far more applied and the profs are failed therapists, not researchers. My sister will be transferring soon, the point is programs with an emphasis on research, theory, or analysis of a field are better than applied programs. My girlfriend just began working for a consulting firm helping with strategic business architecture. They recruited her for the research and evaluation skills she has, they will be training her on the actual job required skills for free.

Anonymous Mon Dec 15 09:44:44 2014 No.582360

>>582350
Right, but law is a grad program. I don't think people need advice on their grad programs when they post tier lists like this. Also, I disagree with the first point as I covered that in my post. Jobs which require high specialization, require graduate level knowledge, which have little to do with what specific undergrad you have, but rather if you did well in undergrad AND know the necessary prereqs to learn the grad material. For example, a history major isn't going to do graduate level engineering unless they also learned all the math and physics on the side. (Which does happen, but those particular programs do require an immense amount of knowledge and I will agree you usually need to do something related as an undergrad)

Now to my original point, Goldman sachs recruits from my alma mater, regularly. The only undergrads they talk to are in the math and physics programs. 3 of the seniors were recruited this fall and signed to begin on the day after they graduate. Lowest paid of them is starting at 86k, they will be funded through their masters programs and given education on the job about what they didnt learn in school.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 10:03:11 2014 No.582365 >>582360 I forgot that the US uses a different system thats why I mentioned law. its different over here in europe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 10:16:32 2014 No.582376 File: 42 KB, 410x500, 51lZMzNOwrL[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>582331 My book is better than your book >written by a university professor Fucking dropped Worthless garbage from an idiot probably a poor idiot too lmao

Anonymous Mon Dec 15 10:18:59 2014 No.582377

I'm seriously starting to buy into this shit about being a strong independent entrepreneur who don't need no employer.

Do entrepreneurship-related courses actually teach you anything useful? Need to pick my specialization for the final year of my business degree, and the options are entrepreneurship, accounting, and financial analysis. I've heard good things about the latter two in terms of money, but they also seem so soul-crushingly boring that I could never justify getting into them unless they guaranteed me really early retirement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 14:26:45 2014 No.582571 How is computer science mid tier when everything is becoming computers in the future

Anonymous Mon Dec 15 15:05:25 2014 No.582624

>>582377
Unless its in included in your core business courses you're probably just as well served by reading up on examples of entrepreneurs you would like to emulate, and there are countless books on the subject virtually for free. Hell, you can even just find someone in your community who runs a restaurant or import biz or whatever you're interested in and see if he'll relate his experiences and give you some direction if he has time. That way, if you smell bullshit, you just move on to the next resource. If the prof turns out to be a stinker, then you just wasted money, ( and if you decide to sit through the whole thing for your money's worth, time and motivation)

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 15:39:43 2014 No.582674 >>581417 this

Anonymous Mon Dec 15 16:27:12 2014 No.582740

>>579863
Start by operating your own website, developed yourself, make a name in the 0rogramming community. If You Live, eat, shit, and, dream code you might just get cold called. Buddy of mine got cold called by google... seemingly based on his website, and open source development projects.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 16:45:05 2014 No.582751 >>579863 Alright I'm about to change your life. Pull your film production/math/physics/programming skills together. Make CGI graphics for the newest rehashed action movie blockbuster. ??? Profit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 16:54:01 2014 No.582759 sales. doing just door to door here in canada, making around 1k a week, but the pros are making around 4k/week. the record was just set recently at 7,250 grand a week by one guy from amount sold+bonuses+overrides from people he trained

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 20:59:22 2014 No.583070 >>579652 They're both effectively the same thing, but I guess CS would probably be a lot more familiar on a resume.

Anonymous Mon Dec 15 21:18:37 2014 No.583099

>>578109
Copy and pasted from the BLS for the average income of Geoscientists:
$90,890 per year
$43.70 per hour

Source: http://www.bls.gov/ooh/life-physical-and-social-science/geoscientists.htm

Of course, it varies massively, depending on if your employer is Exxon or the state of Mississippi.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 15 21:18:55 2014 No.583101 >>579021 Demi-God Tier: Convince yourself to love the job that pays well.

Anonymous Mon Dec 15 21:46:53 2014 No.583141

BA in Economics here.

Truly diverse degree, because its not like political science or liberal arts. Its math, econometrics, market theory etc. Truly versatile degree.

Many people go on to graduate school (like me I will be getting a MS in Data Analytics) but many go right into working. Some fields include insurance, finance, marketing, data analytics, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 16 00:19:34 2014 No.583256 >>583101 This is so fuckin true.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 16 01:01:40 2014 No.583288 >>580040 Depends on the country, I pray you're not in Canada, labs getting shut down left and right There might be good cash in pharmaceuticals though

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