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[Anonymous No.57502655]

I just found out what a project manager does.
Holy shit they actually had to create an entirely new position just so some cute girl would talk to devs on behalf of the client and vice versa.
Partly because the devs are too autistic to talk to people and partly because they’re too important to have to.
Very based guys I’m impressed and think it’s pretty funny, I am laughing like a retard as I type this out.

[Anonymous No.57502671]

most project managers are men

[Anonymous No.57502675]

>>57502655
you need an mba and many years of work experience to become project manager but of course a jobless neet wouldn't understand

[Anonymous No.57502681]

>>57502675
redundant position
it will go away as margins shrink

[Anonymous No.57502685]

>>57502671
>>57502675
t. seething product managers (female)

[Anonymous No.57502704]

>>57502675
>you need an mba and many years of work experience to become project manager but of course a jobless neet wouldn't understand
not true. most pm's are either DEI or just directionless art degree fags.

[Anonymous No.57502708]

>>57502704
and they get heir jobs by sucking and swallowing
it is all good, but the money is tight now

[Anonymous No.57502714]

>>57502671
Thats actually inaccurate. Literally every single project manager (a position I knew was a meme the first I heard it in an introduction) I met was a female.

[Anonymous No.57502721]

>>57502704
this
and
>>57502708
this

[Anonymous No.57502723]

>>57502655
then go talk to each other

>you: uh eh uh uh uh mmmm eh
>coworkers: uh uh eh uh mmmmmm *breathes exasperatedly*

nuff said

[Anonymous No.57502729]

>>57502723
nobody talks like that
and all important things are in written form

[Anonymous No.57502820]

>>57502675
If you think any of what you wrote is true then you’re obviously the one who’s a jobless NEET

[Anonymous No.57502826]

is it really so easy to be a project manager?
always thought the work probably sucks ass but i might aswell consider applying now wtf

[Anonymous No.57502866]

>>57502826
project manager = secretary

[Anonymous No.57502869]

>>57502826
my first job after college was being an associate project manager and I still do it for big projects. The methods are easy enough to learn. You have to enjoy talking to people, organizing, leading and motivation people. You need to be able to think on your feet. It's a very valuable skill to learn if you ever want to do non-trivial projects

[Anonymous No.57502927]

>>57502869
>You have to enjoy talking to people, organizing, leading and motivation people.
It’s a perfect role for women who’d ordinarily be a house wife

[Anonymous No.57502935]

>>57502675
>MBA
>For a tech manager
Hahahaha

[Anonymous No.57502996]

>>57502675
Show tits

[Anonymous No.57503103]

>>57502655
Soft-skills are no joke. Something I've noticed is that a lot of successful people are just as aspie as the average neckbeard programmer, but they've learned to fake social skills. I've been able to win a ton of favor with my boss just by being able to write good emails and speak respectfully to clients. Something a lot of people don't realize is that people would rather do business with someone who's good at their job and is great to work with than with someone who's great at their job and okay to work with.

[Anonymous No.57503122]

>>57502675
https://youtu.be/N9BzS-bd1wg?si=NHIlVmiwZicJc0bc

[Anonymous No.57503165]

>>57502655
AI will make 80% of project managers obsolete
most of their "work" is just emailing people asking "so when do you think you'll have this ready?"

[Anonymous No.57503208]

If you think that job is a joke I am a "technical readiness analyst" my entire job is to make a spreadsheet line by line explaining what the customer needs to do to get ready for a project because my company knows they will not read the documentation. My day consists of about 6 meetings of me going "So where are we on the line items needed by your side" 150k a year to do this all because no business will read an email / documentation from some dev / engineer.

[Anonymous No.57503386]

>>57503208
Enjoy being replaced by chatgpt.

[Anonymous No.57503414]

>>57503386
His job sounds irreplaceable to me. How do you think someone whose job is basically to make sure people are held accountable can be replaced with a glorified chat bot.

[Anonymous No.57503449]

>>57503386
>Businesses don't read Docs / Emails
>"Have fun being replaced by a Doc / Email"
Actual retard bot response
My company works in AI if my role was replaceable by AI they would have already done it

[Anonymous No.57503675]

>>57503386
>>57503165
You guys don't get it. These make work jobs aren't going away in a big picture way. Unless a company is circling the drain there's no use in cutting these dumb little jobs it's all just a big tax dollar shuffle. Half of these "B2B" jobs are really B2Government and if you've been paying attention there is no slowing the spending deficit so who gives a fuck. JUST KEEP PUMPING THOSE EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS.
The only jobs getting replaced by AI are freelance types
>writers
>artists
Things no one gives a shit about and that exist only in the context of the private market.
Vox and Buzzfeed aren't getting floated along by govt contracts.
>>57503208
How do I get one of these fake and gay jobs?

[Anonymous No.57503698]

>>57502869
>organizing, leading and motivation people.
seems too much of a hassle to deal with i dont want to be the guy with the leash who tells others to go to work kek i can emphasize too much with people who think its retarded

[Anonymous No.57503728]

>>57503675
I started in Customer care ... realized project managers lived easy lives just asking people if they are done yet ... paid like $100 for a PM cert ... got a job inside my company as a technical account manager then just been bouncing around from company to company did technical project management / technical account management ... now this role ... all for a $100 cert

[Anonymous No.57503747]

>>57502655
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m4OvQIGDg4I

[Anonymous No.57504444]

>>57502675
You will be replaced by a machine in less than 5 years.

[Anonymous No.57504553]

>>57502675
>>57502671
lmao, show tits
We have no respect for you ./t software engineer

[Anonymous No.57505639]

i liked being a project manager for my years in corporate. spent like 5 years doing probably 10 minutes a day on average. rejected a promotion so i could keep on managing projects lol.

[Anonymous No.57506066]

>>57502655
Do you mean just for software engineering jobs? I work as a real engineer (chemical) and our project managers actually require technical knowledge to do their job.

[Anonymous No.57506079]

>>57502729
You don't know enough engineers and I dare you to write more than one sentence without saying nigger or faggot

[Anonymous No.57507876]

>>57502675
you don't need any of that
im friends with a PM at amazon who graduated out of some shitty undergrad finance major (at some horrible school)
she makes 2x my salary
she is simply hot and had a connection
she has no further education
meanwhile I went to a tier 1 school for AI / ML for my masters and can't find a job (though I do need to be remote to support my family so theres that).

[Anonymous No.57507902]

>>57502675

LMAO

[Anonymous No.57507912]

>>57502675
>you need an mba and many years of work experience to become project manager
or a subscription to open AI

[Anonymous No.57507927]

>>57507912
you know what that’s a very good idea i 100% agree with that my brother’s sister has an mba (master of bad decisions lmao right) and is a project manager and she gets paid a lot she is very good with computers and even programs in java sometimes she has a lot of work experience and it is really impressive to be fair she has been working with computers since she was a little kid

[Anonymous No.57507999]

>>57507927
in english next time, buddy

[Anonymous No.57509653]

>>57502685
on the internet?

[Anonymous No.57509671]

>>57502655
I am not a cute girl or a girl at all.

[Anonymous No.57509853]

>>57502671
thats actually the same thing as the consulting does in my wagefirm. and they are all tall dudes who think they can communicate. which is beneficial because their clients are mainly hospital personnel which is to 70% female. so its based on the demographics of the metier your looking at.

[Anonymous No.57509947]

>>57502655
if you look at the kinds of people that have been getting laid off recently, it reveals a lot

[Anonymous No.57509963]

>>57502927
Being a PM takes a lot of empathy and being able to see situations from people's POV. Women are terrible at it

[Anonymous No.57510027]

>>57503698
Depends on type of leash. Scrum is an Agile framework and has Scrum master and Product owner who liase the team. In such case Project manager becomes a paid janny.

[Anonymous No.57510158]

>>57509947
>tfw no candidate experience specialist gf

[Anonymous No.57510171]

>>57502655
My gf does that and makes more than me as a dev.
After all, all office work is just nonsense.
>client can get out of the box solution
>needs custom feature for whatever tarded reason
>consulting firm gets hired
>managers get onboarded on both sides
>ba's and project managers make feature list
>somehow more and more things pile on
>timelines start shifting before any dev is even onboarded
>no money to hire dev, get team from india
>they halfass the solution and even mangle the out of the box solution
>delays, feature creep, consultants selling more, client indecisive,
>new contracts made for production support, bug solving (rebuilding), new features
>??? we are already in year 6 of the project somehow
>only 3 people even use it, none for any of the user story cases as people think they do
>keeps us off the streets anon haha

[Anonymous No.57510318]

>>57502655
that’s what a ba does you dumb cunt

[Anonymous No.57510383]

>>57509947
> Director of DEI
you mutts are truly an abomination of the human race

theres people in africa working 18 hours to just buy bread

[Anonymous No.57510472]

>>57502826
You need experience in a working field preferably related to it, some idea about laws and stuff around the business, coordination skills, leadership skills. Preferably with IT knowledge, at least to a certain degree

[Anonymous No.57510850]

>>57503675
>How do I get one of these fake and gay jobs?
It helps if people know you as reliable and easy to work with. Having actual skills also helps.

t. drinking beer and and watching snooker at home while getting paid twice as much as doctors

[Anonymous No.57510872]

>>57510318
I don't know what that even is. I don't work in an office, faggot

[Anonymous No.57510884]

>>57502675
You are a meat interface to our sprint/kanban boards explaining things to executives who are too stupid to read them.

[Anonymous No.57511181]

>>57506066
They mean software, but it's not like software doesn't need good PMs with technical knowledge. The field just doesn't have many of them. Without explicit accountability, the position becomes trivially faked. So most of them are irrelevant annoyances and a good dev team ends up managing their own shit at the expense of some efficiency.
I've found that the closer you get to business as an abstract, the easier it is to turn optional roles into do nothing scams. You can't easily fake being a dev because the product needs to actually be built, and coworkers on equal footing will rat you out. PM though? Dev complaints fall on deaf ears, but your only truly demanded output is a spreadsheet and shooting the shit with management. I expect in other engineering fields there's some regulatory reason for PMs to exist, making their required output too high a bar for a scammer to leap.

Captcha: 8NGYR

[Anonymous No.57511330]

>>57510872
business analyst