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Welcome to the Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's leading decentralized P2P privacy cryptocurrency!

Monero is secure, low-fee, and fungible, meaning users can send XMR around the globe despite corrupt governments or broken financial systems. Innovative privacy features such as Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses, and Ring CT ensure that Monero's blockchain is obfuscated -- In other words, the financial history of all Monero users is encrypted from the prying eyes of adversaries on a public blockchain, with transactions being visible only by a user willingly providing a view key.

Monero has also improved upon the scaling downsides of current popular cryptocurrencies. To avoid high fees, dynamic block size ensures that the size of the blocks will increase as the amount of transactions increases. Further, the mining network algorithm RandomX establishes that anybody with a CPU can participate in mining, preventing the ASIC miner domination that creates a high barrier to entry. Lastly, the mining network will be preserved by Tail Emission -- instead of the block reward falling to zero like with Bitcoin, the block reward gradually approached 0.6 XMR in June 2022, where it will forever stay. This constant linear inflation means the inflation rate will asymptotically go to zero while continuing to provide an incentive to miners to maintain the network.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.

XMR Redpill: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4

XMR Stats: moneroj.net

USE Monero: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/

OFFICIAL WEBSITE - getmonero.org



>Non KYC:
Crypto ATMs
see: kycnot.me



Official Gui/Cli

IOS: Cakewallet
Android: Monerujo

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>> No.57409478

xmr newfag here. whats the best place to swap ETH to XMR without KYC? I want to rotate out my shitcoin profits into a cold wallet where i wont be tempted to gamble with more
>Verification not required.

>> No.57409489
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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe


>> No.57409504

XMR Supremacy

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*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****

Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.

>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained

>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes

>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard

>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable

>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball

>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated

>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides

>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token

>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch

>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam


- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

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Never forget what this is ultimately all about.


>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!


>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)

>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing

>Monero-only VPS hosting

>Monero-only darknet escrow service

>Win XMR!

Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Asur Market
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>Drugula #
>Gofish Market #
>Hectate Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
>Wizard's Palace #
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fknwLx6q

>LocalMonero is now available on I2P

Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project

or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/

>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund

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>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.

>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!

>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.

>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.


The console is accessed via or the menu in Android.

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>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total BTC = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings BTC would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per BTC and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.


>> No.57409604

Check out trocador for swaps

>> No.57409626
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I wish to learn about cryptography. Where do I start?

>> No.57409645

thx anon, looks good
your local community college might have courses on it, mine did when i went through my CS degree there.
Otherwise jewtube probably

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The Captain is returning with tales from the dark seas!

>> No.57409723

I think we need a new general template. this one looks outdated af.
I'm gonna start crafting it


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>still have no idea how p2pool works beyond the most vague notion

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>> No.57411525

Do you think XMR needs PoS or is the system perfect as is?
Are anonymized NFTs even theoretically feasible?

>> No.57411539

Are you lost, retarded or both?

>> No.57411553

I guess the issue with PoS is it's a rich-get-richer system inherently.
I just thought with anonymous staking there could be some cool real world applications with smart contracts to allow for more trusted transactions & lending/borrowing

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PoS centralizes the network, which leads to state & banker control. This would negate the whole idea of crypto.

>> No.57411611

I'm retarded, that's why I asked. I think Monero is going to be doomed to fail if there isn't some sort of collateral system
The question is is how does one utilize zkproofs to for instance send XMR in exchange for goods by mail, how do you ensure the person on the other end doesn't just take the goods without paying up? They have to stake more XMR than they've spent (possibly even double) to ensure that the seller doesn't get ripped off. It's a an issue of enforcing trust without trust.

OR you just say fuck credit altogether & throw out the baby with the bathwater.

>> No.57411639

The state controls the power grid anyways you're not exactly escaping much if shit really hits the fan.
DeEn is the next step of the revolution.

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>send XMR in exchange for goods by mail, how do you ensure the person on the other end doesn't just take the goods without paying up?

What is escrow?

>> No.57411656

A 3rd party? We can't facilitate exchange P2P?
idk man I'm new to all this maybe I just need to read more.

>> No.57411681

>A 3rd party? We can't facilitate exchange P2P?

In person? Easy. Online? No other way.

>> No.57411723

But how do you trust the escrow? Their reputation?
How do you settle disputes? Bring in more parties to judge, sort of a democratic process?

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>The Captain is returning with tales from the dark seas!

plz don't ever stop making these.

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>The state controls the power grid
Sort of. The WEF will use increasing regulation to create artificial scarcity. Notice the west has a hard on for electric vehicles, with almost zero power generation. A good thing with XMR is with RandomX, anyone can secure the network, which is naturally decentralized.

>> No.57412178

>But how do you trust the escrow? Their reputation?
Pretty much. Always do a small tx first if you can.

>> No.57412372

I have to say, I absolutely love that Monero's ASIC resistance.

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Super 66 grocery store in Buenos Aires accepts Monero payments. Looks like Milei's competing currency laws are already having an effect.

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They need to get stickers posted.

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Reporting in
IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

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I am now running a dual stack public node and synced up with the network. For interested anons here's what that looks like (albeit wrapped in a system service).

monerod --detach --pidfile=$PIDFILE --no-zmq --public-node --restricted-rpc --enable-dns-blocklist --p2p-use-ipv6 --rpc-bind-ip --rpc-use-ipv6 --rpc-bind-ipv6-address :: --confirm-external-bind --out-peers $OUTPEERS --in-peers $INPEERS

$ sudo lsof -p $(pgrep monerod) | grep LISTEN
monerod 21089 monero 10u IPv4 884541811 0t0 TCP *:18080 (LISTEN)
monerod 21089 monero 11u IPv6 884541812 0t0 TCP *:18080 (LISTEN)
monerod 21089 monero 15u IPv4 884500822 0t0 TCP *:18081 (LISTEN)
monerod 21089 monero 16u IPv6 884500823 0t0 TCP *:18081 (LISTEN)

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>> No.57414220

Who gives a fuck about that bloated shitball of a browser?

>> No.57414221

beautiful. beats forced adoption of btc by bukake bukele.

>> No.57414232

use mullvad browser.

>> No.57414257

I prefer librewolf

>> No.57414352

>privacy but no XMR
Good way to distinguish lip service from genuine interest and research.

>> No.57414538

So based! Thanks. Didn't know there was a Monero-specific book for this.

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>> No.57415126

Is it a good idea to extend my seed with a passphrase? If so, how many words should I use?

>> No.57415579

depends on you:
i) what is your adversary
ii) how good is your memory
iii) how reliable is your password manager system

All things considered, I would recommend extending your seed.

>> No.57415782

I'm Satoshi

>> No.57415837

you mine a chain that is compatible with the Monero chain, together with others. The p2pool chain keeps track of how much effort everyone put in via shares (similar to a centralized pool). When someones share finds a block that solves a block on the Monero chain, it gets submitted and all miners who found shares in a specific timeframe get paid out.
It's similar to merge-mining with the difference that one of the chains isn't used to keep track of crypto coins but rather hash-contribution.

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nice to see some argies using the one true currency

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>> No.57415921

Any monero tipbots? Is it possible to print out sweepable QR codes that I can give to others?

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real? how does that work?
Monero transactions takes a few minutes to be verified, do you just send your payment and stand on the side waiting for it to resolve while the cashier handles another client?

>> No.57416254

They probably use 0conf as soon as it hits a block which is competitive with credit card times.

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>we prioritize user privacy, but not when it comes to financial privacy
Lol, lmao.

>> No.57416669

that patch looks sick

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>it's a rich-get-richer system inherently.
This applies to every chain and every consensus algorithm. This "noooo the rich get richer!" shit is the dumbest nigger thing I've ever heard from the crypto community. In PoW, the rich get richer because they can buy more miners. DUH

>> No.57416911

The WEF loves proof of stake. All I need to know about it.

>> No.57417323

>Is it possible to print out sweepable QR codes that I can give to others?
yes. search for monero paper wallets online.

>Any monero tipbots?
there is shadowchat for streamers

>> No.57417687

Thanks, I'll check it and the paper wallets.

>> No.57417732

It's also just a basic feature of mathematics and how exponentials work.
>price of a stock moves up ten dollars
>guy sells 100,000 shares, makes a milion dollars
People who think this is "le unfair" are seething communists.

>> No.57417749

At least with XMR everyone already has a miner that can somewhat compete.

Do they now? I already dislike PoS for many reasons that will be like the cherry on top.

BTW did anyone ever solve the problem of people mining on both sides of a fork? I mean in practice; I've seen some theoretical solutions from some years ago.

>> No.57417768

In XMR the solution is ruthless hardfork discipline by node operators and calling people who mine the wrong fork gay retards.

>> No.57417784

No, you can't compete with your shitty laptop CPU. How much does it make a year in XMR? 20 bucks? It's like >>57417732 says, only retarded communists actually think this line of reasoning makes sense.

>> No.57417789

>your shitty laptop CPU
what if I have a desktop gaming CPU?

>> No.57417841
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Ryzen 9 5950X would net you like 8 cents a day. That's fucking nothing.

>> No.57417869

That's cool tho.

>> No.57418146

pedo coin

>> No.57418244

Any recommended moreno paper wallets?

>> No.57418749

>we prioritize user privacy
>Please KYC with uphold (scam) or gemini (a scam that also leaks your email).
>don't mind us as we forcibly install guardian VPN, a browser wallet, and our paid jitsi reskin on your machine and constantly phone home about it

>> No.57418769

absolute memecoin until it offers ways to effortlessly spend/exchange that can't get cucked by KYC/AML

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I still want to fuck the Monero girl though.

>> No.57418800

The difference being that PoW requires constant competition, even if you were to gain 51% of the hash rate, you have to fight to maintain that lead. In PoS if you have 51%, you have it forever. And since the devs decide the initial coin allocation, they start out with 51%.

>> No.57419010

Isn't PoS inherently broken and trust-based because the first coin has to somehow be 'proved' by PoS?

>> No.57419041

if you are making a $10 tx you don't need to wait for 10conf. its not like the store is going bankrupt if a reorg happens. for a big store 0conf(1-10 secs) should be enough for any purchase under $20-$30 i'd say. as the money being trade increases you increase the conf required, but going above 3 conf is just plain delusional unless you are selling a house or your wife.

>> No.57419045
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OneKey Mini or Trezor Safe 3 hardware wallet to hold my Monero?
Both of them support XMR and both of them are open source. Which one should I get?

>> No.57419110

I just use Anonero (air gapped phone for signing transactions). Android phone hardware is backdoored for sure but in my opinion it's not as conspicuous as a dedicated hardware wallet that's likely also backdoored.

>> No.57419242

If there were a worldwide power outage and you wanted to restart a blockchain from a saved backup someone gave you, for PoS there'd be no way of knowing if that backup was correct. All you're doing is signing blocks, there's no work involved, so making a modified copy from block 1 is trivial. The "canonical" PoS chain is whatever the devs say it is.

For PoW, creating a fake chain is near impossible. Even if you had 100% of the world's hash rate, it'd take several years to create a fake Bitcoin chain from block 1, due to how computationally intensive finding correct hashes is. I imagine it'd take quite a long time to do for Monero as well.

So in PoS there is always a central party that has to be trusted, the devs, whether as the original issuers of the entire supply or as the authority on the canonical chain.

It's not as bad for ETH since it was originally PoW (minus the pre-mine). But still, PoS tends to centralize over time.

>> No.57419396

use feathernero on an offline laptop with tailsos
you can turn a USB into a hardware wallet

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Anonero is the gentleman's choice.

>> No.57419484

is Moneros 0-conf as reliable as on BCH?

>> No.57419596

I think so, I haven't seen RBF on Monero. But wait for more answers.

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>> No.57419728

What's the "autofinalizes in X days" thing on moneromarket?

>> No.57420977

payment goes through automatically when your customer gets their stuff

>> No.57421136

must impregnate

>> No.57421255

it's generally trustworthy for small transactions, but I wouldn't buy a car with it

>> No.57421837

Yeah but it's a sale of online goods and I see no transactions, no orders, nothing sold listed in my profile, and no messages from any buyers. So no one I can give the online claim code to.

>> No.57422179

I couldn't have imagined that supermarkets will accept Monero in 2024. Bless you Milei. And also bless the Monero community for already listing this on monerica.com under "Food & Drink". Now we only need a field test if this actually works.

>> No.57422319

Linu has done well for me the last week and I've always wanted a Monero for shits and giggles. Is it still the only true privacy token out there?

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>> No.57425075

What do we think of this?

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>> No.57425100
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Why yes, I do use Monero as a store of value, what gave it away?

>> No.57425350

>I do use Monero as a store of value
Same here and checked. The only thing that matters in life is whether you are net-positive XMR or not.

18.7 suicide stack
69 make it

>> No.57425455

I'm Satoshi

>> No.57425787

I'm Nicolas van Saberhagen.

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Serai when?

>> No.57425845

que serai serai

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I'm hungry.

>> No.57425925

Neveko has a usage manual now: https://github.com/creating2morrow/neveko/blob/main/docs/man.md

>end-to-end encrypted messaging
>distributed marketplace
>xmr multisig

is this going to make traditional DNM's obsolete?

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Hey anon. Did you bought anything on moneromarket.io today?
Maybe a telegram account and then a telegram premium subscription?
Maybe honey and some bee wax candle?
How about some goldback?
Or books to learn to be self-sufficient and how to survive and thrive during the collapse of the welfare state?
Or even 150 libertarian books for your kindle?

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Monero doesn't need centralized exchanges

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>Litecoin to Monero Atomic Swap

Monero doesn't need centralized exchanges.

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I have mined $2.08 usd worth of XMR.

>> No.57427576

There's nothing like seeing the first mining payment hitting your wallet.

>> No.57427973

first payment, then first block, then first whole coin. Purchasing something with money you printed on a computer is the best, though. Feels like independence.

We've brought so much new monero into existence. Our setup has provided collective hours of network security and we're happy to keep it going!


>> No.57428024

I'm adding a couple of nodes to my mining cluster tonight. One thing I've discovered is FLOPS/W is not always the same as maximizing FLOPS/node.

>> No.57428875
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*****/XMR/ Monero General Poker Night*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Poker Night*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Poker Night*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Poker Night*****

Hang out and play Texas Hold'em with fellow MoneroChads safely over an anonymized network and hopefully win some XMR along the way!

Tor: http://dkforestseeaaq2dqz2uflmlsybvnq2irzn4ygyvu53oazyorednviid.onion
I2P: http://dkforest4gwaceahf4te3vs7ycddtbpf2lucocxdzhphezikdgnq.b32.i2p

Neither service requires JavaScript.

Dread: http://dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoyno2yv7jicoxknyazubrad.onion/d/PokerClub

You will obviously need to download and install either the Tor or I2Pd browser bundle to access the darknet.


You will also need an unknown amount of XMR to play. Don't stake more than you can afford to lose.

Optionally, you can voice chat and coordinate over Jitsi for a more authentic social experience. Jitsi is FOSS and end-to-end encrypted.


Note that unlike with clearnet gaming, playing over Tor with Monero is by far the comfiest way to play because your identity, IP address and money trail cannot be established so you don't have to worry about legalities or about the tax man coming to collect his share of your winnings.

Good luck!!

>> No.57429425

imo the best way to help monero adoption is to offer jobs to people in countries like Argentina and pay them in xmr. just any job that can be done over the internet and as soon they get xmr they will start looking for ways to spend it which eventually will lead to circular economy.

>> No.57429763

Why do p2pool payout outputs require 60 confirmations to spend instead of 10?

>> No.57429770

sidechain confirmations vs. Monero mainnet confirmations

>> No.57429833

the problem is all of us are the argentina, lebanon, or similar poors that want jobs paid in XMR, instead of being rich chads that will fund XMR based businesses and salaries

>> No.57429933

What hardware do you use anon?

>> No.57430277
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>Nicolas van Saberhagen

>> No.57430286

Nicolas van Sneederchucken

>> No.57430590
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>> No.57431541
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So, fun fact: ARM Mac Minis are about twice as efficient in H/s/W as x86 PCs... if and only if you can get them booted into Linux and get XMRig set up for them, with your Monero node running on another box or mining to a pool. Getting the Minis up under Linux, writing all the connective glue code and config files, and building XMRig is left as an exercise for the reader.

>> No.57431665

whale spotted. congrats anon

>> No.57431900

Yeah but that requires buying one of those aids infested pieces of shit. At least try to find them in the ebay damaged goods section.

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>> No.57434160

According to this article, Finnish authorities could trace back Monero transactions: https://cointelegraph.com/news/nigerian-exchanges-face-licensing-hurdles-as-analysts-urge-sec-guidelines-overhaul

How did he fuck up?

>> No.57434165

wrong article, I meant this one: https://cointelegraph.com/news/finnish-authorities-traced-monero-vastaamo-hack

>> No.57434274

He used Binance and had poor transaction amount/timing opsec. Anons in a prior thread found the original source article.


>> No.57434489

I'm Satoshi

>> No.57434535
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If true it’s only natural to prefer privacy coins since btc lost its way in that regard among others. feel free to pump all our bags

>> No.57434610
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>privacy coins
That's harmful in 2024. The WEF told us to support more sustainable and safe alternatives.

>> No.57434647

Does anyone have this monerochan.png?

>> No.57434765
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further discussion in that thread >>57434187

>> No.57435033

Fuck that scammer.

>> No.57435053

Also keked at the SV logo. Is it a dragon because Satoshi Nakamoto is a name from my chinese cartoons?

>> No.57435313
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that alone is evidence csw is not satoshi.

>> No.57435320
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>trying real hard with the 'fear the government and its mass surveillance state, it will crush you' etc psyop.
Based and COINTELPro pilled
Lemme break the intelmarkers down for anons who might be lurking

> Jan 22
Jan is 11th month in Julian Calendar
Jan 22 = 11.22
This is a Marker for a false flag.
Look up the date on which JFK died (but in Gregorian calendar)

> demanded 40 Bitcoin
40 Days of rain
Symbol for intel house cleaning.
A marker for the usual suspects.

> exchange for not publishing records of over 33,000 patients
> 33
> 33
> 33
Someone pissed off the wrong guy.

Date of Tweet = January 19, 2024
or 1.19 in Gregorian calendar.
911! what is your emergency?

>> No.57435538

Not an expert but I think he should have broken up his txs once he received his xmr from the no-kyc exchange. His xmr went no-kyc -> own wallet -> binance, but the no-kyc exchange has all the info of the first tx (address of receiver and amounts), while binance has the info of the amounts, so the middle step could be deduced. He should have went
no-kyc -> own wallet -> break up amounts own wallet through multiple addresses -> multiple kyc exchanges

That way the middle steps would not be deduced as easily. Then again multiple exchanges might be able to tell if they share info that the dude happened to fund approximately 40btc worth of xmr in a short period of time, which is also why he'd need to do it over long periods of time. That said, this would be impossible with Bitcoin or any other coin that I'm aware of. The onramps and off ramps are what kills you.

>> No.57435633


>> No.57436274

I hope you are trying to be funny, if not, get help. psychiatric help

>> No.57436359

How do we convince 'normal' artists online to accept XMR for commissions/donations? Seems like NFTs have harmed the reputation of all cryptocurrencies in the art world.

>> No.57436459

Oi Vey!

>> No.57436466

Monerochan is a cute

>> No.57436516

I am living in your walls, anon. I have my radio equipment and DEWs pointed right at your bed

>> No.57436701

NFTs are getting pretty big in the art world as a way to sell commissions. But they're all clustered around Tezos. Not much use for privacy coins for them. Only the really degenerate loli/shota/furry/fetish artists would care much about Monero. Otherwise, they'll all stick where the artists are, and where there's already a lot of digital infrastructure for artists.
It could have been a thing with Mordinals, but that hurts privacy so overly large tx_extra got/is getting forked out right?

>> No.57437118

What do we think of BIP-300/drivechains?

>> No.57437187

There is an XMR bounty on doing a preliminary research on them: https://bounties.monero.social/posts/103/4-069m-research-implementation-of-drivechain-on-monero

>> No.57437201
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The BTC guys who support it seem to suggest it as a killer of all "alt coins". Is this a nuclear arms race?

>> No.57437223

has brc-20 killed erc-20?

>> No.57437406

"It's not like NFTs, it's just money you can't get locked out of. [send link to coincards]"

>> No.57437427

Also if you really wanted them to adopt it, you'd have to do it by offering free tips in Monero, and then following through on it.

>> No.57437919

erc-20's weaknesses are things brc-20 is worse at (fees, slowness).

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>> No.57440045


>> No.57440054

i got my first monero today :DDDD
also got my second monero
i have two moneros

>> No.57440120
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Got some more Mac Minis on order from ebay. This is surprisingly fun. I think I can go all the way to 100kH/s raw CPU performance by adding more since each one is net profitable on power.

>> No.57440127

is it worth getting into XMR mining as a poorfag? my energy is very cheap but i dont have much capital to start mining

>> No.57440138

You should buy some moneroj first (and sell stuff on MoneroMarket) but if you've got cheap/free power you can basically scrounge ewaste and mine that.

>> No.57440200
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We're reaching levels of based previously thought impossible.
How much kH/s per Mac mini? I'm mining on my MacBook with 4kH/s too and I like its power efficiency. Adds a nice bonus to my main CPU that I mine with when I'm not using it.

>> No.57440236

It's about 3kH/s/node raw but these are base model chips with a 4-4 BIG.little setup. Yours is probably an MBP with more big cores.

>> No.57441223


Well done. Now start earning XMR

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start using monero

>> No.57441489

looks like she's packing an elephant trunk

>> No.57442174


>Full-membership proofs

Monero is the final solution to the taxman question.

>> No.57442196

can someone explain those? many thanks

>> No.57442251




>> No.57442277

I you don't mind answering this, how much does one cost and how much does it currently earn you per month after you subtract the power cost?

>> No.57442589


FCMPs = bye bye ring signatures

>> No.57442700

i get it now but why that man is wearing a maid costume?

>> No.57442815

i rewatched it and found out it was because he is "a servant of the monero community" lol

>> No.57443408

top kek

>> No.57443606

Wirey! you were supposed to be based and x-pilled

>> No.57443638


>> No.57443664

Why aren't we starting a gig XMR thread here? We could get tripfags to escrow for $5 gigs until they gain trust.

>> No.57443769

How does e-commerce work in cryptocurrencys

>> No.57443827

I see the same slow creep, I just don't think it's the work of an organized group and I think the "symbolism" you notice is an incredulous mind attempting to ascribe greater meaning and identity to a place where there is no meaning or identity beyond the pursuit of material wealth.
Fungus doesn't know that it is "spreading", it isn't "aware" of the fungus beside it, it just advances on wherever can provide sustainable conditions. The way we organize ourselves as a species provides that environment in many places.

When tribals couldn't understand where the sky water came from, or why sometimes it didn't come, it was the sky gods they blamed, not the water cycle.

>> No.57443831

Do you mean specific ecommerce frameworks? Or in general? You can use websites like moneromarket.io but you have to trust the website since they'll escrow. Otherwise there were some solutions like OpenBazaar which were P2P with rating systems and other users providing the arbitration in case of disputes. You can also just sell on ebay and say you accept cryptocurrencies, but the client has to place more trust in you since they cannot chargeback once they pay you. So until you are very trusted, you should probably accept traditional payment methods too. Then there's also taxation considerations IF you care about that. Capital gains tax mostly. You need to note what was the XMR/USD price when you receive payment and then when you use your XMR in theory you should pay tax on the gains because of any price increase. And vice-versa, if the XMR price has fallen by the time you get to spend it don't forget to ask the IRS for a refund so that they can tell you to eat a dick.

Someone correct me/check me: Does moneromarket.io escrow in a custodial way where they keep your money? Or is there some contract magic where the website only arbitrates who will get the money but cannot steal the money because they are never in custody of it?

>> No.57444317

>I think the "symbolism" you notice is an incredulous mind attempting to ascribe greater meaning and identity to a place where there is no meaning or identity beyond the pursuit of material wealth.
Yea? Tell that to my fraters.
> When tribals couldn't understand where the sky water came from, or why sometimes it didn't come, it was the sky gods they blamed, not the water cycle.
But.. we do it. Like WE, literally WE. So I know when WE are doing it!
Anyways, goodbye!

>> No.57445942

this would be cool

>> No.57446189

For example that monero guy selling candles in moneromarket how would someone like him sell candles in internationally

>> No.57446211

Does it break any rules of /biz/? I'm not usually here.

I can prepare a post with instructions and post it here for discussion.

>> No.57446245

I don't understand the question. You make an account on that website, then you create listings for what you want to sell. People pay into the escrow, give you their address, you send the items, and when they confirm they received the items, they release the money from the escrow so you get paid. International sale doesn't make a difference you just need to charge more for shipping and you need to ship internationally.

>> No.57446251

The power cost is effectively zero in winter since I have electric heat and can turn my thermostat down to compensate. My power company has tiered pricing so I'll see what this actually costs me in summer running a stack of Minis.

>> No.57446390

As long as you aren't advertising your own gigs it shouldn't break the rules, but who knows the the retarded jannies this board has.
Might be best to run it in this thread for a while

>> No.57446502 [DELETED] 

and thank you for mentioning
I unironically want to open a kebab stand , promoting XMR usage, like I'd educate each customer and give a free wrap for someone who downloads a wallet etc...
hardcore guerilla marketing
I saved up around 40$ so far from a crowdfunding page I made, that someone on /biz sent me around a week or so ago
so far what I do is either find something to barter with for XMR , or sell it for fiat because I need to live

>> No.57446627 [DELETED] 


if anyone is interested

>> No.57446638

Thanks. Assuming zero power cost and that the mac minis cost ~$400 each and that they each do ~2KH/s, that would earn you ~$0.07 per day. That's ~$2.1 per month. If you never sell the minis and you mine forever at the same daily earnings, that's equivalent to a ~6.3% yearly return on your $400. If you are paying for them the average power cost in the USA then that drops to ~2.7% yearly return.

>> No.57447168
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>p2pool mini
>Last block found: 1d ago

>> No.57447266

I'll give if you post your original xmr address.

>> No.57447387

what about this:

►x2 CPU = $94

►Dual Socket MB = $89

►x2 RAM = $28

►decent power supply = $30

TOTAL = $241

Just live boot some linux os from usb stick, no need for hard drive.
Each CPU will give you around 10Kh so the whole setup will be around 20Kh.
Based on your calculation this will get you $20 per month assuming zero power cost.

>> No.57447586
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OK maybe it could look like this, and again, I have no clue if this will result in bans if it's actually used:

Welcome to Monero Gigs!


0.01 XMR = $1.68
0.02 XMR = $3.36
0.03 XMR = $5.04
0.04 XMR = $6.73
0.05 XMR = $8.41
0.06 XMR = $10.09

Gig offer templates:

> I will ___ for 0.03 XMR. I require one of these escrows:
> 1) !!_____ 2) !!_____

> I will ___ for 0.03 XMR. I require this escrow: !!_____

> I will ___ for 0.03 XMR. I do not require an escrow nor upfront payment.

Gig request templates:

> I will pay 0.03 XMR for someone to ___. I require one of these escrows:
> 1) !!_____ 2) !!_____

> I will pay 0.03 XMR for someone to ___. I require this escrow:
> 1) !!_____ 2) !!_____

Escrow offer template: (Always post escrow offers with a secure tripcode)

> I will escrow up to 0.06 XMR.
> Base fee: 0.005 XMR
> Extra fee in case of dispute: 0.005 XMR


Do not break 4chan rules.
Do not get involved in gigs related to breaking 4chan rules.
Do not offer gigs requesting upfront payment without an escrow.
Do not pay upfront for gigs without an escrow.
Do not request a gig without an escrow.
Do not accept gig requests without an escrow.
Using an escrow means that the fee will be subtracted from the listed, escrowed amount.
Keep everything under 0.06 XMR.

No reputation? Try offering some gigs without escrow using a secure tripcode.

>> No.57447747

Add something to cool those but yeah.

Two of them use 330W without even taking into account the rest of the computer. I read somewhere that mac minis use 10W which is what I used before for my calculations but now I find that they use 26.5W. So you get about 13 mac minis to reach the power consumption of just these two CPUs. Still, >>57446251 said his power cost is zero because during winter he uses electrical heating anyhow. And I bet that his electrical heater is more than 330W on average so even the two CPUs you pointed to would be "free" to run for him.

So anyhow, your yearly return with this sort of CPU would be ~106% if you don't exceed the power consumption of your electric heater. If you had to pay average USA power costs for it
you would be losing money at a rate of $270 per year for every such motherboard you run.

>> No.57447925

Do it, the network always needs more hashrate.

>> No.57448096
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>Each CPU will give you around 10Kh
xmrig site says that CPU hits 42kH/s, is it wrong?

>> No.57448177

nvm im retarded that was for 4 CPUs

>> No.57448478 [DELETED] 


here you go
I just like subaddresses

>> No.57448694

what does /xmr/ think of this thread? >>57440096
is monero a good store of value?
do (you) use it as a store of value or only as a medium of exchange?

>> No.57448731

moneromarket escrow is custodial iirc

The key advantage with the minis is that they're modular, I can scale them up, scale them down, or upgrade them with newer chips one at a time (M4 Pro?) if Monero difficulty spikes in a year or two. If I can get cheaper power year round then it'll make sense to build PC-based rigs with a bunch of GPUs hung off to mine other coins.

>> No.57448933 [DELETED] 

Please don't be a troll

>> No.57448989

About half of my liquid assets are in it. It will always have value to people due to utility so I think it's a good store of value that will become better over time as its utility grows due to WEF policies coopting BTC and other crypto.
I think Monero could only fail due to some black swan event but BTC's potential path to failure is already visible because of (((KYC pressure))) and an inherent lack of fungibility.

>> No.57449049


You have that backwards, 4s are mains and 8s are subs. You should really consider using a secure tripcode, my friend. I'll see what I can do. Do you want it to the main address, subaddress, or that stupid website?

>> No.57449115

>store of value or only as a medium of exchange?
both are deeply correlated. a store of value is something that has utility in the present and that will have the same(hopefully) utility in the future, thus preserving the value. So a good medium of exchange is a good store of value.

yeah but i'm not sure, when you mine with xmrig it only uses like 50% of your CPU.
it only uses the physical cores, not the threads, so maybe it wont use the full TDP.

can anyone confirm this?

>> No.57449121

Nah, I've got a decent stack of Monero as insurance, but a lot more money in property and Bitcoin.

>> No.57449188 [DELETED] 

I'll make a secure one sorry about that
And yeah I misspoke
The main one if you can
And godspeed bro

>> No.57449572

To the 89E...wx9 please anon
I hope you have it
I'll secure my tripcode

>> No.57449599

Thank you brother

>> No.57450002

Is it possible to run Monero over the java implementation of I2P? I try to avoid needlessly running C/C++ apps that face the internet.

>> No.57450025

wouldnt the btc miners collectively vote to reduce the difficulty if it got to these insane exponential levels?

>> No.57450069

you're moonfaggots, leave the thread immediately

>> No.57450281

60 more and I'm set
Godspeed to you and your family man

>> No.57450690

Java i2p is the reference implementation so yes. i2pd is recommended because it's lower resource usage.

>> No.57451141
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Tether has just printed another $1 billion USDT out of thin air, at this rate we'll be hitting $100 billion issued USDT within a few weeks.

>> No.57451181

(((Hyperinflation))) kek
>mfw got banned for being antisemitic

>> No.57451193 [DELETED] 


If anyone is interested

>> No.57451206

yo bros, monero is the only thing left to be excited about, in life, also asian women, nothing else

>> No.57452204


Why bloat your system with Java when its not necessary?

>> No.57452587

First of all I already use java for a few other things so it's not an extra installation for me. Second, internet facing programs written in java are typically less prone to exploits especially the ones created more than a decade ago who don't rely on shitty 3rd party libraries. There are two things that I remember that had been used in Java applications that could be exploited for RCE: deserialization exploiting apache commons, and the log4j fiasco. Both exploits because of shitty, bloated apache libraries. C/C++ apps on the other hand are choke full of potential RCEs and I remember around 2013-2016 when some teams in Google or wherever were simply putting them one by one to test with Valgrind or whatever and were dropping CVEs like madmen.

Are people actually buying those newly printed USDT? I know there's a lot of "conspiracy theories" around USDT being used to pump BTC but honestly I don't know how the'd do that without demolishing USDT's price or destroying their ability to redeem it to USD. If they print a million USDT, and use it to buy BTC to pump the price, that's a millions USDT in the hands of people who want USD instead of BTC. You expect that the next step for these people is to sell USDT for USD and that means that the Tether company should take out about 1 million USD from their reserve to keep the price of 1USDT~=1USD. Am I wrong? Someone care to explain their scam, step by step?

>> No.57452677

Ironically my only use for USDT is to obtain XMR.
>Buy USDT with fiat on good goy exchange
>immediately transfer USDT to no-fiat exchange
>immediately swap for XMR
>withdraw XMR to proper wallets
Unless Tether depegs over like a 20 minute window I've got no exposure. If LTC atomic swaps were better supported I'd just do that straight from the good goy exchange and stop buying USDT entirely.

>> No.57452718

checked and based.

>> No.57452835

>got banned
From where? Was it a monero related thing?

>> No.57452919
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Is p2pool main worth it with ~20kH/s? Mini can go days without finding a block so it feels like the hashes are just wasted.

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>> No.57453110

LMAO 99.9% people in this thread dont event need that privacy and nobody cares bout them

>> No.57453331

I just like the coin.

>> No.57453442 [DELETED] 

Erriciano whatever his name was blocked me on Twitter and called me an antisemit on the XMR IRC
I got unbanned but he left salty kek

>> No.57453703 [DELETED] 

shut up, kike nigger

>> No.57453725

`Should I buy this dip or wait for 150 again?

>> No.57453767

I like fungibility. I like cash, that's why I like XMR.
Privacy is a byproduct of good design, just like Chain analysis and the cucked concept of tainted cions is a byproduct of Bitcoin's design

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>> No.57454847

I'm Satoshi

>> No.57455735
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slow news day but Matthew's gotta get those daily BTC maxi vids out one way or another. Funny thing is when you compare using XMR as BTC's second layer it piss's all over Lightning in terms of easy of use and fees. But what I do I know.

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>I got unbanned
XMR confirmed based.
It's cringe. If he truly cared about truth he'd get a Monero dev or someone knowledgeable on to talk about this instead of making so many debunked stock videos.

>> No.57456245
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>Monero is what bitcoin wanted to be
>Attributing volition to code?
Kek, you can tell this truth hurts them.

>> No.57456393

>truth hurts them
monero baggies saying their alt is "what bitcoin wanted to be" just makes us all cringe as much as when eth baggies talk about "ultra sound money" or nano baggies talk about the "nakamoto coefficient" of their centrally issued shitcoin.

>> No.57456576


>> No.57456592

It literally is true, Satoshi talked about many Monero features as a good thing.

>> No.57456881

is the EU ban already priced in or is it gonna dump?
I want to buy some more but i also wanna wait for some cheapies
and yes i use XMR as a store of value

>> No.57456959

Fuck off moonfag

>> No.57457038

why are you so mad nigger?

>> No.57457131
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Like other Bitfags, all he can do is keep parroting "muh price action" over and over again while hoping nobody realizes how meaningless that metric is on account of all the manipulation that has taken place over the years.

The demonstrably fraudulent nature of BTC's price action is the Achilles heel to exploit here, just keep blackpilling curious normies on the realities of wash trading and stablecoin shenanigans and eventually we'll hit critical mass and the whole thing will start to implode.

>> No.57457149
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FYI moonfags get the rope

>> No.57457156

nigger i just want to build my stack at a lower price. I dont think it will or want XMR to moon

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>I dont think it will or want XMR to moon

then why stack? moonfags stack. Chads spend.

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Stop being a fucking retard sperg. You're not impressing anyone. Plenty of people in these generals have been stacking for years and will continue to stack. You know why? Because fuck you, that's why.

>> No.57457285

>then why stack?
why not? I think XMR will organically grow over time as the circular economy grows. I want to already have a sizeable stack by the time normalfags are starting to use it.
I'm gonna be listing some stuff on moneromarket soon too to help build my stack, but i'm autistic and like seeing my wallet number grow over the months.
I agree with this. People 'stack' USD in their savings, i'll stack XMR in the same way. There's nothing wrong with it, my moonfaggot gambling plays will stay on eth and other shitchains

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>I think XMR will organically grow over time as the circular economy grows

I agree. But keep that to yourself, we don't want a BTC-style HODLtard hoarding culture to take root here, the Monero economy lives or dies by our spending habits.

>> No.57457391

Spending is fine, i already pay for my VPN with xmr and buy steam gift cards with it pretty often, but the same way i don't spend every dollar i get from my paycheck i'm not gonna spend every coin that hits my wallet. I like saving money and saving on a chain that has an actual economy is good, imo.
People saving is part of a healthy economy.

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Go stack Bitcoin instead moonfaggot

>> No.57457426

I stack both. seethe and dialate harder.

>> No.57457474

Good, enjoy watching your moonboi bitfag bags go to zero once tether collapses

>> No.57457491

ring signatures have been obsolete since before monero spawned from bytecoin. zk proofs were the only seriously considered feature, but bitcoin from day one was designed as a network of transparency where every coin is accounted for at all times.

monero baggies just can't accept that they're obsolete before they managed to accomplish anything.

>> No.57457502

If you think tether will imminently collapse and take the rest of the market with it, why *wouldnt* you stack XMR? It would be one of the few coins relatively safe from tether imploding.

>> No.57457517

Because you're supposed to spend Monero not hoard it like some ponzi moonboi

>> No.57457526 [DELETED] 

Im not a low impulse control nigger like you, i like saving money.

>> No.57457540

kek, you alt baggie copers really are just buttcoiners by another name. doesn't it embarrass you to expose your ineptitude and inability to capitalize on the easiest money the world has ever seen online?

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Oh I agree with you, I'm just saying we shouldn't be actively encouraging the non-spending of XMR like those laser-eyed retards love to do, especially while the economy is still in the critical bootstrapping phase, we need as much XMR spending as possible right now and for the forseeable future.

Lack of spending has stunted the BTC economy and allowed XMR to slowly start overtaking it. So keep spending, fellas, its how we establish a *reliably growing* source of demand and get *sustainable* long-term NGU.

>> No.57457665

There's only so much spending one person can do. I spend XMR whenever i need to, but i dont waste money on things i dont need.
As it is, most people need to go through a CEX to either buy XMR or buy something to swap with XMR. If you are just going to immediately spend it after purchasing it, its not a circular economy, its using XMR as a middleman.
Until people are getting paid in XMR people saving money over time and spending when they need to is in my opinion better for the economy than people only buying XMR when they need to spend it.
For example, in 10 years i could buy a car with XMR with the coins i have in my wallet. Someone who doesn't save would have to turn USD into XMR to do the same thing, and at that point its essentially using USD to buy a car with XMR as middleware for the transaction.
I just think saving is better for a circular economy than linear transactions of USD>XMR>Product

>> No.57457744

And ofc balance is key, currencies are meant to be spent and saved to different extents. If you pay for everything in XMR you'll probably be spending more than you are saving.
Right now i have very minimal expenses and live frugally so i'm saving more than i'm spending.
Only doing one and not the other is kinda retarded though

>> No.57457834

>I'm just saying we shouldn't be actively encouraging the non-spending of XMR
We should be actively encouraging the *use* of XMR, not just the spending of it.
Spending it is using it
Saving it is using it
Getting paid in it is using it
Tipping with it is using it
Donating it is using it
Mining it is using it
A healthy economy has everyone doing all of those things in whatever ratio suits them the best.
List things on marketplaces, build your stack, buy things with it, donate to charity with it, give money to your frens with it, but dont do just one of those things.

>> No.57457873

also just since i've been posting so much might as well add: buy a 3d printer with your XMR and print some fucking guns

>> No.57458467

can i use it to pay my taxes?

>> No.57458558

>BTC is for hodling, i.e. saving money
>XMR is for spending
I think almost everybody itt thread can agree on this.

>> No.57458661

Is there a way I can mine Monero on some old phones and tablets I'm not using? How does that work/pay out?

>> No.57458680

Bitcoin is hot potato money. you better get rid of it while the fees are low and your chain hasn't been analyzed yet or get rekt forever by miners & chainanal

>> No.57458693

BTC won't be for saving for long when it goes to zero because no one uses it

>> No.57458697

I spend XMR for BTC. Me galaxy brain.

>> No.57458705

I'm pretty sure you can run xmrig on android. You can also mine via web miner on moneroocean.

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>>BTC is for hodling, i.e. saving money

Bitcoin is now largely useless:

- too volatile and unpredictable to function as a reliable store of value
- too expensive and insufficiently fungible to function as a reliable medium of exchange
- diminishing utilitarian demand due to it sucking so much

Bonus: rampant price manipulation creates a false sense of value that will inevitably evaporate over time.

Conversely, Monero has constantly GROWING demand from real-world commerce sectors due to its superior MoE fundamentals, which in turn lays the groundwork for it to eventually become a reliable SoV.

TL;DR: Monero is going places, Bitcoin is breaking down.

>> No.57459529

>Cucking Bitcoin on the dark net
Lol. LMAO even.

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Binance delisting wen?

>> No.57460862

IIRC MoneroOcean disabled the webminer because it was being flagged as malware.

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Checked. There are maxipads in other threads loudly insisting the opposite as if buttcorn wasn't still at 60% of ATH while the value of the dollar has halved since 2017.

>> No.57462064

XMR is both for spending, and saving. At least I can count on spending my saved XMRs in the future. BTC chain is just a clogged mess of ordinal NFTs which push the fees high.

>> No.57462606

post the source next time

>> No.57462687

>I think almost everybody itt thread can agree on this.
If by everyone you mean viewers, then, yes, because most crypto "users" are clueless blockstream cuckolds.
If by everyone you mean posters in /XMR/ then, no, because anyone using ANYTHING except BTC knows how much BTC sucks.

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Fixed it.

>> No.57462850


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>Monero is going places, Bitcoin is breaking down.

>> No.57463122

Any way to buy on GOG using XMR?

>> No.57463130

GOG has been threatening to retroactively revoke library access from people, fuck them. Use coincards and buy physical games, or buy used on MoneroMarket.

>> No.57463137

I've got all offline installer of my GOG games so I don't really care if they remove my access that much (though I will lose updates for some newer games I suppose).

But can you explain what exactly they said? Remove library access if you do what?

>> No.57463181

tl;dr get banned for wrongthink lose gaemz

>> No.57463343

Stupid Whore = Your Mom

>> No.57463451


DESU I don't care about this.

I don't expect people to let me use their services without terms, and they are free to make those terms be as harsh and idiotic as they like. Think of it this way: would I really care if they had instead shut down their forums and comment sections? I would not, cause that's not what I bought off of them. So why should I care about them limiting speech on their forums and comment sections when I can easily pretend that they shut them down and be unaffected? The forums are just an extra service, I don't have to use them. (and I'm not using them anyhow except to search for bug fixes in some cases)

If someone sells me a car, and a month later they give me a call and say "btw if you enter our shop again while wearing a red shirt and don't leave when asked to leave, you owe us your car, that's the new rules of our shop" would I be affected? No, I don't need to enter their shop again, I just need the car I purchased, and I have that.

Now, if they started banning users because the user said something they don't like on a different network, that would be very different.

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>> No.57465009

I shit you not: XMR‘s purpose is to be spent on BTC.

>> No.57465136

BTC is not drugs

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>> No.57467208

hello i have bought monero a few years ago and then kinda forgot about it. what are you people up to? did z cash die off already?
btw never selling.

>> No.57467239

people ITT will call you a nigger for holding and not selling.
Z cash isn't 'dead' per se but its not used anywhere near XMR levels.
You shouldn't sell your XMR but you should use it to buy stuff. Its probably not going to exponentially gain value, its steadily growing as people use it for transactions.

>> No.57468703

literally nothing except this general is has become total garbage
don't check the price

>> No.57470196


Zcash is basically on life support these days, the OG leadership is leaving in droves.

>> No.57470206

>20% dev tax
Sounds like a complete joke. Literally how do any "privacy enthusiasts" support it?

>> No.57470540

They don't, they're glowniggers.

>> No.57471323

What's the best VPS and domain name provider that accepts XMR?

>> No.57471888

check cock.li's hosting platform. pretty sure its called cock.box

>> No.57472268

privex.io imo

>> No.57472269
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Big businesses are too fragile to deglobalism
AI energy demands will never be met
Bitcoin is too energy intensive and will shut down itself
Fiat currencies can't exist in state federal conflicts of interest
Banks are too weak to cybersecurity failures and federal reserve bond market destruction to exist in future
Those who startup culture monero businesses now will be the leaders of the fall simple as 1 XMR == 1XMR

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Would anyone be interested in Lion's Mane mushroom coffee on MoneroMarket? I happen to be physically close to a supplier.

>> No.57473464

Uhm why does it have a GX attack that needs 4 energy, allows you to attach another 5 energy, when the only other attack that you can use after using the GX move once is an attack that costs 4 and which discards all energy cards? What's the point of attaching 5 just to waste them on the next attack?

It's a pity they didn't try cock.box too.

Have you tried them or heard from anyone that has?

>> No.57473505

>xmr green
>other crypto red

is the bullrun over ?

>> No.57473512

No, that's just me buying an unknown amount of Monero today.

>> No.57473624

>Lion's Mane mushroom coffee on MoneroMarket?

>> No.57473652

Cool, I'll get some this weekend and post a listing.

>> No.57474156

The trick is that way too many people use leverage and don't cash out to fiat until it's too late, hence all the pink wojaks whenever King Shitcoin dumps. It's basically the opposite of XMR where most buyers buy spot and withdraw immediately and most sellers immediately go to BTC or fiat and withdraw immediately.
>this is half the reason exchanges don't like XMR, it fucks with their ability to run fractional-reserve, see Binance's strategic "suspension of withdrawals" to drop the price of XMR enough for them to buy in to cover their liabilities.
(if this is sounding familiar to anyone who remembers stock brokers turning off the GME buy button it should)

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>> No.57477776

goddamn comfiest coin around

>> No.57477796

so close

>> No.57478651

>Are people actually buying those newly printed USDT? I know there's a lot of "conspiracy theories" around USDT being used to pump BTC but honestly I don't know how the'd do that without demolishing USDT's price or destroying their ability to redeem it to USD. If they print a million USDT, and use it to buy BTC to pump the price, that's a millions USDT in the hands of people who want USD instead of BTC. You expect that the next step for these people is to sell USDT for USD and that means that the Tether company should take out about 1 million USD from their reserve to keep the price of 1USDT~=1USD. Am I wrong? Someone care to explain their scam, step by step?

Everything besides monero on the crypto spehere is fake and mega retarded.
The emphasis is on retarded. Bitfagots are insane. They do not see bitcoin or crypto as a tool, its more of a cult. Like a guy owining a car, never driving it, or caring how fast it can go, what brand it is or what. Its just holding a car as religious icon or something. So there no thinkin on the part of bitfagots. They do not care that thataer is wortless, or that you can't cast out with the company. Or that bitcoin is a scam/trash. Nothing makes sense, because they are not looking for sense. Its a cult

>> No.57478985

I'm Satoshi

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You hit the nail on the head! Just retards playing the "number go up" game on their Robin Hood app.

And why do shitcoins have so much market cap? Why is there so much dumb money on the crypto market? Examples:

Solana $42.7billion
XRP $27.5billion
Cardano $17.9billion
Avalanche $12.4billion
Dogecoin $11.3billion
Polkadot DOT $8.7billion

These shitcoins probably don't even have software you can download like Bitcoin Core and a real blockchain, not to mention any meaningful traffic on the blockchain. Are these marketcaps basically kids (number go up gang) hitting buy and sell on Robin Hood hoping to get rich?

In the meantime, a real coin like XMR has a ridiculously low marketcap in comparison ($3billion).

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>And why do shitcoins have so much market cap? Why is there so much dumb money on the crypto market?

It ain't real. Price manipulation is the norm.

>> No.57482305

Dogecoin is basically a fork of LTC so you can run nodes and miners. XRP's promise of "line go up" is basically "Ripple's business plan requires high price per coin for the products to function at scale" and you CAN run a validator (PoS) node, but there are much higher system/network requirements to run a node so it's impractical for most people to do it at home.

Everything else on that list? Total scam.

>> No.57483532

Clown market, bro.

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Maxis remind me of vaxxies

>> No.57483673

>we don't want a BTC-style HODLtard hoarding culture to take root
We also don't want a culture of spastics that sperg out any time some talks about buying XMR and saving XMR. You are espousing actual literal BTC maxitard culture when you berate people for holding Monero.

>> No.57484581

hodltards get the rope.

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>there's this good money, it's better than all the alternatives
>but don't save your wealth in it

>> No.57485132


lol who is being berated? Emphasizing the importance of spending regularly in order to grow and strengthen the Monero economy is hardly an aggressive stance.

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>>but don't save your wealth in it

Legit saving in parallel with regular spending is the sweet spot. A HODLtard by definition will not spend until the MOONS & LAMBO era is ushered in.

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