/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.57104650]

Anyone hang out with normies who lease pic-related or similar for $500-1000 / month and tell you that you should definitely upgrade your $5,000 shitbox?

What reasoning do they use? Is it safety?

[Anonymous No.57104710]

>>57104650
no, mostly perception of others. some like the cars, I guess

[Anonymous No.57104746]

>>57104650

One of buddys uses to lease a dodge charger. Then he leased an $80k Ford SUV. Idk what he drives now, but he always leases a new car for like $500 - $600 a month.

[Anonymous No.57104767]

>>57104650
>>57104746

Oh and his reasoning is that he likes looking rich to other people. I'm not joking.

[Anonymous No.57104765]

Give it to me straight biz, should I be leasing over buying?
What’re you doing rn, would you repeat?

[Anonymous No.57104783]

>>57104650
They’re right. Only a literal poor would drive a $5k shitbox. And if you do have money and drive one of these things then you’re a fucking weirdo and anyone can see that.

[Anonymous No.57104925]

>>57104783
>this is your brain on keeping up with the jones'

[Anonymous No.57104962]

>>57104925
Cope. No one cares if your “frugal”

[Anonymous No.57105019]

>>57104650
>Anyone hang out with normies
>who lease
no I only hang out with people who own cars

[Anonymous No.57105025]

>>57104962
>your

[Anonymous No.57105052]

What I save by driving 3 20 year old shitboxes I put towards fake internet money so I can pay off my house ans buy a better one. Snowball effect.

[Anonymous No.57105123]

>>57104746
>>57104767
Thanks for posting the reasoning, it's the best. As I said, my friend went with the "oh your safety matters" argument. I think he was just trying to tell me I look poor, but I am not sure.

>>57104765
I am not sure - I think the key take away is to be within your budget. The whole "lease vs buy vs finance" decision really does boil down to "can you invest the principal better. Only you factually know that.

>>57104783
>>57104962
What is the "non poor" amount of money/income to you? Just curious.

>>57105052
Owning multiple cars is always a shit. Also, I am not convinced the $5000 shitbox actually saves you money if you keep it top-notch. You literally replace everything - I am too lazy to list out the parts so you believe me I know what I am talking about, but everything related to the clutch and the suspension and the brakes will get swapped if you want to drive a shitbox normally. And that's on top of sensors and random electronics like ignition coil, injectors, air cabin heat distributor, etc.

[Anonymous No.57105129]

"we only have one life"

said my ex-gf before leasing an audi q3 with her minimum wage salary

[Anonymous No.57105152]

btw, i don't have a car but i bought my house cash
i might consider buying a car (cash too) in 2 or 3 months but it would be quite useless as I'm 100% wfh

i live in eastern europe where having a nice car is very important for roasties but i already have a high iq gf speaking 4 languages and who is a lawyer

not sure why i tell you guys all this but carfags really are the niggers of the faggot race

[Anonymous No.57105209]

No. A fool and his money…

[Anonymous No.57105230]

if incelism was a car >>57105209

[Anonymous No.57105278]

>>57104650
Nope.
Dave Ramsay says that you should save double-the price of your car before you buy one. So if you want to buy a $50k car, you should have $100k saved up.

When I spent $54,000 on an Audi a few years ago, I had already saved up $250k in my brokerage account, and had over $500k in my total assets.
Most of my friends are the same way, they have nice cars but they also invest a lot too.
And none of us lease cars.

[Anonymous No.57105302]

>>57105278
you have a 2016 white audi? are you a top or a bottom?

[Anonymous No.57105314]

>>57105278
Is that a base A7? My friend said "it's the same as an RS5, except the engine!". Do you relate to him? Could you tell us a little bit about yourself?

Like, what drives a woman to purchase an "Audi" that needs CTR gap insurance*? Do you tell your gf that the CTR doesn't have a heads up display and no heated steering wheel? Like how do you do it? I really want to know.

*Insurance for the emotional distress of getting gapped by a Civic Type R

[Anonymous No.57105330]

>>57105123
>Owning multiple cars is always a shit. Also, I am not convinced the $5000 shitbox actually saves you money if you keep it top-notch. You literally replace everything - I am too lazy to list out the parts so you believe me I know what I am talking about, but everything related to the clutch and the suspension and the brakes will get swapped if you want to drive a shitbox normally. And that's on top of sensors and random electronics like ignition coil, injectors, air cabin heat distributor, etc.

Any new car you buy now will depreciate at least $20k by the time the warranty runs out. What paid-off shitbox will incur $20k in repairs over the course of a decade? I guess a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari would.

[Anonymous No.57105341]

>>57104710
But BMW?

[Anonymous No.57105344]

I just buy $12k Hondas.
Usually under 100k miles, but if a little over, whatever.
Cheap
Last forever
>but women will judge you...
You'll never make it. Get a nice car when you're rich.

[Anonymous No.57105350]

>>57105302
>Eastern europe fag
It's a stock picture, my car is silver.

>>57105314
Nope, prestige trim.

>My friend said "it's the same as an RS5, except the engine!". Do you relate to him? Could you tell us a little bit about yourself?
No, I don't give a shit about that, and anyone who says crap like that is a complete loser.
I also don't have Gap insurance. I don't know why you would want to pay extra for that. Just drive safe.

The point is to have way more saved than what you spend on a car. If you can't do that, then you should not be driving around in an expensive car.

[Anonymous No.57105387]

>>57105330
> What paid-off shitbox will incur $20k in repairs over the course of a decade?
Easy if you aren't doing the work yourself.
> clutch, flywheel, throwout bearing, fork: Easily 3-5k
> full suspensions easily 2-4k
> calipers, disks, pads, lines + bleed all around: 1-1.5k
> A/C - 1.5k
> exhaust 1k (especially if you do all the way to headers)

Those are Civic prices. That's an INCOMPLETE list of what needs done on 5k Civic (with 150k+ on it). I am not even talking engine mounts, MC, and other random shit.

A used car is a good deal if you have nothing and/or want something that just runs but meets no other criteria. If you want your old car comfy, it gets almost as expensive as depreciation. The only thing is that you can get a higher performance car than you normally would.

>>57105350
> prestige trim
u wut. Don't count it unless it gets you and S or an RS engine. Holy shit.

You *really* need CTR gap insurance from the way you are talking. I am sensing you might even need BRZ / I4 Mustang/Camaro gap insurance.

[Anonymous No.57105388]

>>57104767
>he likes looking rich to other people
Then he should drive a 1994 Honda Accord, like Jeff Bezos did.

[Anonymous No.57105427]

>>57104783
This is why I drive shitbox even when rich
Why tf you would let normies know at all

[Anonymous No.57105430]

>>57104650
Gas trucks are unironically a store of value better than boomer rocks

[Anonymous No.57105450]

>>57104650
Rich people drive whatever the fuck they want to.

Poors drive what they have to.

Copes drive what they imagine rich people drive.

pic related, richest man in the USA used to drive this truck

[Anonymous No.57105452]

>>57105278

This, none of my friends or family have ever financed their cars, its always been straight up cash purchase. Who even finances their cars? Seems like an incredibly bad idea for a depreciating asset

[Anonymous No.57105481]

>>57105052
>Snowball effect.
this, I had some money laying around but it was a boring market so I spent some and I can afford to. Its not that it cost me 5k to buy a nice pc. It costs me 15k to not have that invested. I think I am only spending 5k but what I am really doing is losing 20k. Anything I buy for "myself" doesn't make me money is a compounding opportunity cost.

[Anonymous No.57105511]

>>57105387
>Easy if you aren't doing the work yourself.
lol your own numbers only add up to $13k and you won't need to replace that whole laundry list of stuff in 10 years on a normal car unless you either get really unlucky or you're driving some 1970s shit with no quality control. You're totally out of touch with reality.

[Anonymous No.57105525]

>>57105511
G/o/ back. A car with 150k on it needs all of that and more unless you drive it under 45mph in the city and that's it.

[Anonymous No.57105559]

I think it's just cope. I've never paid more than $2,000 for a car and my one friend has been leasing cars for about 5 years. He would always shit on my cars, talking about how I have to fix them more often but he finally came up to me a month ago and told me how much it sucks paying for a car every month and I'm really smart for buying older cars. All they care about is optics and what other normies think of them

[Anonymous No.57105562]

>>57105525
>A car with 150k on it needs all of that and more
... and even then it only costs $13k by your own estimate. Is 13 a larger number than 20? I look forward to your next cope.

[Anonymous No.57105578]

>>57105387
Anyone who buys an S7 or RS7 is either retarded, or is doing it with their parents money. Those things eat money like crazy.
Be jealous more, faggot.

>>57105450
Christian Bale still drives a 2003 Toyota truck. Thought he also owns two Lamborghinis.
https://21motoring.com/christian-bale-car-collection-cars-that-christian-bale-drives/

[Anonymous No.57105596]

>>57105562
>>57105387
>That's an INCOMPLETE list of what needs done on 5k Civic (with 150k+ on it).

How is your reading comprehension champ?

[Anonymous No.57105623]

>>57105578
> Be jealous more, faggot.
Of what? Your slow-ass car?

[Anonymous No.57105635]

>>57105596
>i used the word incomplete therefore my estimate is definitely short by more than 50% and you should just make up another $7k of repairs out of the blue that I failed to mention for no apparent reason.
Okay, you've convinced me.

[Anonymous No.57105706]

>>57105635
> 7k
> 50% or more of 20k

Buddy, let me help you out: https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/FSIQ
Have your slow Audi friend take it too.

[Anonymous No.57105772]

>>57105578
Your daily driver should always be a reliable beater that’s not fancy or pretty but get the job done. Then you have your toys if your into cars which are ones you enjoy on your spare time.

I have one better I drive daily and a bunch of toys which I drive every once in a while, you’d rarely see me in them. Unfortunately they’re not lambos yet

[Anonymous No.57105786]

>>57105706
>7k
> 50% or more of 20k
lmao

[Anonymous No.57105803]

>>57104783
Literally EVERY big country house here has a 20 year old Volvo or Range Rover parked in front of it.

[Anonymous No.57105808]

>>57105623
>Drives a shitbox. Makes fun of other peoples cars.
How much do you have invested?
Is it zero dollars?

>>57105772
Eh, I'd rather only have one car.
My toys are things like surfboards, snowboards, kitesurfing gear, etc.

[Anonymous No.57105830]

>>57105387
What the fuck no. I have a 10 year old civic with 155k on it. Bought it new back then and have done almost all the work myself. The only thing other than oil, coolant, trans fluid (cvt, yes it's reliable), plugs and brake pads I've needed to do was the front bearings, which cost $600, and two calipers which were a couple hundred bucks maybe. Maintenance per year is under $1,000. I have NOT been kind to my car either. It gets thrown around twisty rural roads for fun, and has had to do many years of rough winter service practically immersed in salt and beat up by frost heaven roads. Plus two years of me living on a long and very shitty dirt road which I commuted over every day and seemed to always be disgustingly muddy. The fucking car looks and drives nearly like new. My only complaint is the stupid snap clips on the nvh panels get shitty and just break when you pop them off after a handful of years, so when I go 80+ a couple of them flutter a bit and it's annoying.
Honda and Toyota sedans are ridiculously inexpensive to own even when a decade old and run hard their whole life.

[Anonymous No.57105842]

Yea but having a nice car is awesome. Driving fast and looking cool is good for ur soul anon

[Anonymous No.57105847]

>>57105830
What matters is how much money you're able to save/invest.
How much are you investing each month?

[Anonymous No.57105851]

>>57104650
$500?

[Anonymous No.57105861]

>>57104650
Tldr; im a hardcore car guy. Here’s a few tips
Never buy new, always buy ~2year used with 20-40k miles. Biggest hit to depreciation is taken by someone else while you take over what is essentially a near new car.
Never buy the first model year of anything.
Buy cars that don’t do a model refresh often. For example any modern volvo product or a Maserati. A Volvo XC90 still looks like a fresh luxury suv despite coming out in 2016. A comparable Mercedes GLE was facelifted in 2015 and outdated/replaced by 2020. Buying a new Mercedes or BMW with a <5year cycle life is about as smart as lighting a bonfire with your cash. Unironically Maserati is one of the smartest moves. New ones depreciation like a rock in the first 1-2 years and the model cycle life is suuuper long. The Maserati Levante is still on sale after getting lunched in 2016. The previous gen Maserati gran turismo was on sale from 2007 to 2019 and not only made you look rich but was arguably one of the most beautiful design coupes…ever. And no headache of trying to “keep up” with whatever new model is coming due to the long cycle time.
So yea, buy 1-2 year old cars from brands with long cycle times and timeless designs. That’s the trick

[Anonymous No.57105870]

Girls from my work are just scraping by and got brand new cars, I told them to get a 2012 civic and run it to the ground , they told me they’d never get a car that old , most people just suck with money

[Anonymous No.57105889]

>>57104783
It’s honestly pretty split between people who keep old cars and buy newer ones , not as extreme as you make it out to be . I’m gonna keep my 2013 car till it becomes too much to repair

[Anonymous No.57105908]

>>57105278
Yeah but Dave Ramsey gives advice for actual retards and it works for them sometimes, were tryna make it

[Anonymous No.57105921]

what does biz think of Honda Pilots? I know shit about cars, other than that Honda is recommended as a sturdy brand. I prefer SUVs because while I don't do much that necessitates a truck but I like having towing capacity to use every once in awhile.

I'd by used, thinking one a bit under 100k miles.

[Anonymous No.57105923]

>>57105830
Good job anon. I have an equally well worn and depreciated…although not nearly as reliable commuter car (a VW)…when I still commuted. Same story, 160k miles, <2000/yr in maintenance because everything is kept up to date…not as cheap to keep as a Japanese shitbox…but hey, reality is German engineering is a marketing trick. The krauts don’t understand the concept of “design it so it can be maintained without specialty tools or procedures”.

[Anonymous No.57105931]

everyone at work also drives old shitboxes and so do my frens

[Anonymous No.57105982]

>>57105921
Aim for under 50k miles. Most cars are designed to survive 100k without major things breaking. So at 50k you have lots of trouble free driving ahead

[Anonymous No.57106069]

>>57105861
You should only be buying a used Maserati if you're a mechanic and can do the repairs yourself.
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/this-italian-car-marque-has-3-of-the-vehicles-with-the-worst-depreciation-on-the-market/

>>57105921
They're good cars, and if you take care of them regularly it should be easy to get 200k miles on them.
Unfortunately, most people don't go by the maintenance schedule, and this comes back to bite them in the ass when they ruin their car because they didn't want to spend a few hundred bucks on routine maintenance.

[Anonymous No.57106210]

I recently bought and sold a nice car to drive while doing a few months work on my shitbox daily. It would be almost worth it when you see how people look hard.

[Anonymous No.57106259]

>>57104650
that kind of shitbox is not safe, but retarded sheep might think so.
i dont care about what other people talk so i literally dont know what someone just told me. i do this to protect my own toughts so i dont get influenced by mindless drones.

[Anonymous No.57106547]

>>57104650
I hate cars, shit breaks down by itself
they are expensive to maintain
and besides something nice always costs an arm and a leg, I'd rather use a fucking skateboard, or maybe a scooter if XOR spoils me a little bit

[Anonymous No.57106650]

>>57104650
yeah a bunch of my friends lease expensive vehicles (1k/mo + $200/mo insurance)

i used to just drive shitboxes into the ground but recently splurged and bought a used gx460 that just came off of lease for $45k in cash

buying the wrong shitbox can cost a lot of money, buying the wrong new car can cost a lot of money too. just know what you're in the market for and set personal expectations.

[Anonymous No.57106663]

>>57105861
>Never buy new, always buy ~2year used with 20-40k miles.
based and truthpilled
>Buy cars that don’t do a model refresh often.
based and truthpilled
>For example any modern volvo product or a Maserati.
bro idk u lost me here, just buy anything from honda/toyota that isnt hybrid

[Anonymous No.57106680]

>>57105921
i think the sweet spot for used SUVs is around 50-60k miles
at 100k you might be asking for a disaster unless you knew the previous owner.
transmissions can be a time bomb in older hondas and toyotas if the fluid was not changed regularly (~30k miles)

[Anonymous No.57106696]

>>57105861
Bruh you are not going to convince me that buying a used maserati is reasonable lmfao

[Anonymous No.57106843]

>>57105330
I live in heavy road salt area and congested urban area. I spent 15k maintaining a first gen crv over 75,000 miles. It broke the lower ball joints 3x and had to be towed. Each time the lower ball joint broke, and the wheel essentially fell off while at highway speed, it incurred several other broken components for an average repair cost including tow or ~$2500 3x. The other $7,500 of repairs included tires 2x (~$1,200), complete exhaust system 2x ($1,000), gas tank & fuel filler neck ($800) and random bullshit I had to fix myself from getting rear ended, side impact, and head on collisions at low speed. I paid $2,000 for the car with 80,000 miles in good condition and about $1,800 per year in insurance. Cheap cars are only cheap if you can fix it yourself. I could’ve bought another car at any point and given I was hit 3x in that car didn’t want an expensive car for fear of being hit. I thought being frugal was smart. My average maintenance cost was abt $3,000 per year. I think a newer car is probably better use of capital and your time

[Anonymous No.57107017]

>>57104650
Gold-chain-race behavior

[Anonymous No.57107325]

>>57106843
This anon *actually* had a used car.

[Anonymous No.57107347]

>>57104650
OP the only people I know driving expensive Beemers and EVs are also rich af and they can afford to constantly replace their new cars with better more expensive ones every couple years.

[Anonymous No.57107362]

>>57104650
Status thing, flexing. Showing off to wife/parents/brothers. They always buy new.
Which is odd to me, because as I soon as I start talking with them about how cool it'd be getting a shitbox, learning to work on cars and improving it overtime, they suddenly drop off the status thing and they confess they wish they hadn't gotten the new car.

[Anonymous No.57107389]

>>57104650
Lol if it was safety, they'd be fine with a 2004 shit box Honda Civic or a 30 year old Volvo.
It's simply a matter of consumerism, simple as.
The only time a lease makes sense if you're a high income professional who does a ton of commuting. You simply cannot worry or waste time worrying about constantly getting service done, so it just makes sense to have a new or newish car with zero issues other than keeping it full of gas. But that would only make sense if you're making like $200k + a year and if you're traveling a lot of your job

[Anonymous No.57107463]

>>57104710
anything post-2005 bmw is pure vanity and has nothing to do with automotive enthusiasm. Even post 2000s BMWs are fucking pushing it.
OR actually buy the cs version if you 'have money'. only time i excuse a modern BMW and for the love of god no Z models.

[Anonymous No.57107504]

>>57105842
>Yea but having a nice car is awesome. Driving fast and looking cool is good for ur soul anon
based nice car enjoyer

[Anonymous No.57107809]

>>57104650
Can you even buy 5k shitbox these days? Thought all those old cars got chewed up already.

[Anonymous No.57108654]

>>57107325
When I bought that car a new civic was ~21k and interest rate was 2%. Monthly payment would’ve been $350, ins was same $1800.
Insurance & maintenance on my $2,000 car was ~$4,800 per year vs ~$6,000 insurance and loan payment (with ostensibly no maintenance). Over 5 years I spent $24,000 on maintenance and insurance. With purchase cost - $26,000. I ended up scrapping the car for $750. I would have spent more on the new car but my salvage value would’ve been ~16,000 or more.

[Anonymous No.57108708]

Who buys or leases these?

17-20 year old dudes with rich dads, real estate agents and white collar workers for image.

Depreciation is insane. Get a 5-10 year used one that’s boomer owned when the economy crashes if you want.

It’s better to buy new that be a Gypsy with 20 year old or rebuilt Benz / BMW / Audi.

Sports cars are horrible to sleep / lay in.

I guess it would be okay if you leased and worked in sales

[Anonymous No.57108767]

Btw I got and pounded the most pu$&y in my 2 door Japanese hatchback

[Anonymous No.57108782]

>>57104962
Your wallet cares

[Anonymous No.57108839]

>>57105278
That’s bs advice lol
Every car I had except for my first one was over 95k and I alway lease my cars. I buy them on my business so it’s different but the % you pay on a carlease is so low (atleast where I live) that I am making more investing the amount of the car than I pay interest on the lease.

For example my current car is a brand new Porsche cayenne coupe (just got it delivered btw!) and it costed me 167k, I did a 0% downpayment and pay 2380/month for 59 months and 20% the 60th month. In 5 years I can sell this car for 90-110k so in reality it only costed me 70k ish for 5 years (excluding insurance, maintenance and taxes).
But I can use that 167k to buy a renovation project or put it in the stock market or whatever. I can easily make 6-10% a year so buying that car instead of leasing would lose me atleast 60k a year

[Anonymous No.57109602]

>>57104783
I have a 2006 shitbox Sedan and was really tempted to get a new car a couple months ago but realized I should keep the 30k invested in crypto now I've tripled that money lol stupid manlets and retards lose so much money on their cars just to try and impress retarded women

[Anonymous No.57109639]

>>57105209
I live in a tourist town full of geriatric snowbirds. I'd get slammed into every time I drove that thing at night.

[Anonymous No.57109647]

>>57105559
no i seriously look down on anyone who cant lock up >$10k in a vehicle that they can drive until theyre tired of it then sell it (with minimal depreciation) into a very liquid market. oil changes, tire changes, and mechanic work are for slaves.

[Anonymous No.57109800]

>>57104650
It's about not being comfortable with your own skin and needing to extend your sense of worth to material things.

If a man has no achievments he'll go for a job title that makes it well respected. Not fufilling or well earning.

If a man has no reason to drive anywhere to see friends or family, they'll buy a nice car to always have one reason to drive anywhere. Showing off their nice car.

Luckily I hang out with mostly in between trades and college folk. Shitboxes and Trucks are their number one pick.

My favorite is the flex where they still keep a 2006 toyota sequoia running in 2023. Fuck your bmw series 3, a toyota with over 300000 mileage is a mark of a true car lover.

Only place I believe BMW's should exist regularly is Germany, Austria, Spain and Russia. They manufacture them, they are all drivable from factory onto roads that at least pull their full potential, and they can teach bad drivers fast mistakes.

[Anonymous No.57109822]

>>57104650
its not a bad deal. brand new car for $500 a month vs $500 a month on average for repairs on a beat to hell 200,000 mile corolla/civic/whatever

[Anonymous No.57111009]

>>57104650
It depends on your situation.
If you're poor and renting then it's retarded to spend that much money on leasing a car and basically poor people behavior.
If you have money invested and own your own property then you don't need to live like a turbo-poor so you can splash out on a few luxury items. Cars hold no value in the medium to long term so getting one and trading it in for a new model every 2-3 years imo is a no-brainer, especially in a time of high inflation and low interest rates from dealers desperate to sell their products.

[Anonymous No.57111059]

>>57105481
That just sounds like gambling addiction.

[Anonymous No.57111069]

>>57109822
>vs $500 a month on average for repairs on a beat to hell 200,000 mile corolla/civic/whatever
Have you ever actually owned a car?

[Anonymous No.57111068]

>>57108839
This is interesting
I drive a 2008 focus and have around 350k invested

[Anonymous No.57111070]

>>57104962
All this statement proves is that, again, you're dependant on the approval of other people. Sad!

[Anonymous No.57111594]

>>57105341
nobidy said they were smart kek

[Anonymous No.57111701]

>be me
>buy Prius for 6k
>Corona and Inflation happens
>drive car for years
>look at online carwebsite
>Prius 9k

[Anonymous No.57111795]

>>57105123
I will list the repairs I’ve done on my 2 vehicles with 200k+ miles on each. I have owned for 7 and 10 years

>starter
>distributor
>batteries
>bearings
>brakes
>tires
>oxygen sensors

That is a decade of daily driving for about $1,300 in repairs.

[Anonymous No.57112732]

>Buy good used car for $5k
>Drive it up to 200,000 miles
>Minimal repairs except routine maintenance, always go by manufacturer's schedule, use synthetic oil, etc.
>During this time frame, save/invest over $500k
Seems like the best strategy.
If you're a frugal/cheap loser who doesn't have a good job, it's all for naught if you can't save/invest money.

[Anonymous No.57114286]

>>57105123
>Owning multiple cars is always a shit.


Not really. Believe it or not there are people who go outside and need actual utility beyond commuting to work with their vehicles. It's very nice to have both truck and a car.

I don't own multiple vehicles, but I absolutely will when I can afford it.

[Anonymous No.57114321]

>>57111795
How are your control arm bushing and shocks still alive? How is your clutch still alive? How is your exhaust not rusted out? How does the car not need to be repainted? Etc.

>>57114286
Maybe if you own a real estate business or are super into something specific like offroading.

[Anonymous No.57114366]

Americans are brain dead consumers, that’s how their society and economy operates.

[Anonymous No.57114535]

>>57114286
>going OUTSIDE

>>57104650
seriously, go where, name one place you need to go

[Anonymous No.57114712]

anyone?
buy a car to go where?
to the store? - no way
to go to wagie job? - kys
to make money? - you are what a taxi
to go and see grandma? - fuck her
to do what?

the only thing you need a car is to drive a kid to school and your wifi to get blacked