Trader here

[Anonymous No.57069566]

The volatility you guys seek with crypto is available on options on stocks. Real companies.

I’m not bashing but, could we transition /biz/ to step away?

I’m also sure some of you guys get institutional research, or some twitter hedge fund guys.

Let’s prepare /biz/ for 2024.

Thought?

[Anonymous No.57069591]

Posted this a while back

https://archived.moe/biz/thread/56678999/#56678999

Ondas was 0.74…

[Anonymous No.57069592]

Nice try, kike. I'm not selling and I'm not getting duped into buying options via pay for order flow accounts.

[Anonymous No.57069603]

>>57069592
And I’m not selling anything. I just wish some anon would post great DD or earnings play.

The whole /smg/ is too fast to properly follow.

[Anonymous No.57069615]

>>57069566
trying to get people into options on 4chan? that's pretty low brow buddy. Did wallstreetbets lose all their money already?

[Anonymous No.57069634]

>>57069615
No. I used to day trade but got too busy. Now i’d like to get back into it, i like reading some /biz/ stuff but it’s only crypto… there’s like real companies with low cap, putting patents out, etc. And i rather go that route that bothering to even think about uniswqp for this or that shitcoin, you know?

[Traitor here No.57069646]

>>57069566
The violence you guys see with GITMO is untenable non-options on stalking. Red Countries.
I'm not bashing guts, good he transitioned bits two steps away.
I'm all so sure you gays get institutionalized dessert, or sum shitter sledge funk gays.
Let's repair /rizz/ 42024.
Thots.

[Anonymous No.57069650]

>>57069603
If you're too dim to even read a thread with less than one post a minute why the fuck should we believe you're any smarter than we are?

[Anonymous No.57069672]

>>57069566
>yeah come on goy gamble with options where we control all the liquidity in options and the underlying asset prices
>just forget about GME and how manipulated that was and all the trading stops we put in to kill the short squeeze
Hmmm nah I'll keep playing with bitcoin and LINK and you niggers can just pony up a $3,000,000,000,000 if you want to manipulate all the prices.

[Anonymous No.57069714]

>>57069634
There are too many shitcoins here that's for sure, but that's because they are ideal for dirt poor 3rd worlders dreaming of a lucky 100x.

But trusting in the stockmarket is foolish, it is manipulated and not for our benefit. Most of a portfolio should be in bitcoin, even blackrock have said this.

[Anonymous No.57069717]

>>57069672
That’s why follow the smart money.

[Anonymous No.57069734]

>>57069714
It’s not.

Even following https://twitter.com/TicT0cTicks and playing with options is more tempting than buy wordofthedayDoge.

[Anonymous No.57069814]

>>57069734
>boomer stocks
Sorry sweaty, the future is on chain, we're pioneers, and crypto is now true land of opportunity

[Anonymous No.57069821]

>>57069734
URL dropped 6 posts in, nice and subtle

[Anonymous No.57069825]

>>57069646
this is ai

[Anonymous No.57069864]

>>57069814
Whixh coin then?

[Anonymous No.57069944]

>get involved in a market even more scummy and rigged than crypto
lol, no thanks

[Anonymous No.57069960]

>>57069864
Literally anything will pump, like every cycle.
If you're speaking about which one will be widely adopted, it's like asking which of the companies in the '99 will survive and thrive after the crash, none knows until it happens.

My bet on survival and growth is on ICP, but who knows, sometimes the best doesn't win, sometimes it's just the one with the most interests behind.

[Anonymous No.57069997]

>>57069566
>Real companies
o really
so do these companies tarde by PE or just by "whatever the 401k retards pick and choose"?
how come money is leaving regional banks but their fucking stock keeps going higher? maybe the BTFP money is being used for buybacks?
you're a complete fucking retard

[Anonymous No.57070039]

I play with options sometimes but only when I'm nearly 100% sure its going to play out the way I want. Theres no "oh well it might rebound back one day" if things go south: you lose all your money. Also, even if the price goes up, if it doesnt go up the full amount you wanted or even higher depending on how close you are to expiry you once again lose all your money. That being said i made a decent amount with a $12 call on mara. Sold it all off at 17... if only i held to $24... man. Its harder to diamond hand options because you lose a fuckton of unrealized gains/losses if it dips just a little bit, even if youre still in the money

[Anonymous No.57070047]

>>57070039
Also my mara play happened after i lost on a bigger money bet that failed because the price was like 10.75 when it needed to be 11.50... lost all my dang money

[Anonymous No.57070677]

>>57070039
This.

Thats what Im talking about. GJ anon.
I wish biz would talk about this more.

[Anonymous No.57071004]

>>57069566
Back to your containment thread
This is a crypto board stock baggie

[Anonymous No.57071037]

>>57071004
Sadly, yeah. Nothing about business per se as well.

[Anonymous No.57071080]

>>57069566
HELLO SHILL
explain
how do you trade them stonks, post links to website where you do that

[Anonymous No.57071087]

>>57069566
i don't participate in markets where I can't easily take custody of the assets I am trading
simple as

>>57069603
with that being said check the financials for vodaphone and dish network
youre welcome

[Anonymous No.57071123]

>>57071080
Well, I posted some DD about ONDAS. Since then, we have x2 and it's just starting.

It's a real stock. You don't have to wander through uniswapmeme, or whatever the fuck.

I'm not a shill. I have nothing to gain. I'm a bit frustrated that /biz/ is heavily crypto centered when the same vol can be had with stocks.

>pic related.

AI drone are in vogue, signed by Biden adminstration, etc., yet no one talks about it and prefer to buy shitcoins.

Fine. I'm just saying put yourselves in the shoes of a family office, or a hedge fund.

[Anonymous No.57071137]

>>57071123
hello bot, please a post a link
do you know what a link ( URL ) is ?

[Anonymous No.57071145]

>>57071137
https://archived.moe/biz/thread/56678999/#56678999

https://twitter.com/ive_m5

[Anonymous No.57071151]

>>57071137
Sorry, I'm a bot. Wrong link.

Idk man, go open an account with Robinhood. Depends where you live.

[Anonymous No.57071165]

>>57071151
>>57071145
archived - not a trading platform
twitter - not a trading platform

post a link you faggot

[Anonymous No.57071176]

>>57069603
>great DD or earnings play
you are destined to lose money.

[Anonymous No.57071184]

>>57071176
OP can't even post a link
he is a retarded tech-illiterate boomer

[Anonymous No.57071187]

>>57069566
KYS nigger.

[Anonymous No.57071208]

>>57070039
>Sold it all off at 17... if only i held to $24...
Don't judge your past decisions based on hindsight. It will lead to foolish decisions in the future based on nothing but "what if it does this". You have to always consider your decisions based on the information available at the moment you made them.

Here's an idea for what you could have done: cashed the options and rolled the proceeds into shares. That's what I'm doing with sold calls and puts on MARA.

[Anonymous No.57071231]

>>57070047
>Also my mara play happened after i lost on a bigger money bet that failed because the price was like 10.75 when it needed to be 11.50... lost all my dang money
Yeah, fuck options in general but especially buying them. For small guys it's essentially impossible to properly manage your risk because the cost of a single contract is over the amount you should reasonably be risking anyway. It's like showing up at a poker table and the buy-in is your entire bankroll. You're guaranteed to lose.

[Anonymous No.57071248]

>>57071231
Yes. However, don't you feel more confortable trading options than shitcoins? And we're not even talking about straddle, etc. Legit asking tho, not a shill.

[Anonymous No.57071254]

>>57071248
post a link to a platform where you can trade options

[Anonymous No.57071267]

>jp morgan
>mere rothschild lieutenant
yeah no, no thanks

[Anonymous No.57071289]

>>57071254
https://robinhood.com/us/en/

Here. I removed the ref link.

[Anonymous No.57071299]

>>57071087
You take custody of the contract. Which is the asset you trade. Most are closed before expiration.

[Anonymous No.57071322]

>>57071289
you must be a real baller, like a real trader god, if you are on robinhood

[Anonymous No.57071441]

>>57071322
I'm not in USA, so I'm not on Robinhood.
IG market, Saxo Banque, Interactive Brokers, you name it.

[Anonymous No.57071447]

>>57071322
lol this

[Anonymous No.57071456]

>>57071441

[Anonymous No.57071471]

>>57069566
Stocks always require you to pay taxes. Crypto lets you avoid this.
Besides which, playing with options is just asking to get cucked by the big finance jews. I'm aware that any real price movement crypto has seen in the last 10 years is the result of money jews in one shape or another, and I'll take advantage of that best I can.

[Anonymous No.57071483]

>>57071471
>Crypto lets you avoid this.
Nah, if you trade crypto and cash out your bank will start asking questions and report you to some authority and they'll charge you for avoiding taxes as crypto 2 crypto exchange is a taxed event.

[Anonymous No.57071486]

>>57071471
Well, here’s the context.

I used to browse /biz/ back in the days. I bought Chainlink in 2017. I loved to follow the threads, but now it’s overwhelming idk what to do specially in crypto.

It’s very displeasing to browse biz now.

[Anonymous No.57071501]

>>57071471
>Crypto lets you avoid this.
Please explain how.

[Anonymous No.57071519]

>>57069566
You know mr larper, if you actually knew how to trade, you would know options are for DECREASING volatility, not for getting liquidated on 100x like all you newfags think.

[Anonymous No.57071546]

Not telling. I want my baggies first. And,
I.
Want.
Them.
Cheap.

[Anonymous No.57071575]

>>57071519
>you would know options are for DECREASING volatility
wrong
they are for taking ADVANTAGE of volatility or reducing the HARM said volatility would cause you

[Anonymous No.57071598]

>>57071483
you don't cash out and simply use crypto to pay for shit you'd otherwise use your paycheck for (other than things which require legit bank transactions), hence saving that money

[Anonymous No.57071601]

>>57071501
>buy crypto with cash
>use DEX

[Anonymous No.57071635]

>>57071575
The point is that you use options to hedge. The way you worded the OP implies you don’t need crypto because you can „just“ Degen on a leveraged Tesla call or some equally retarded bullshit.
Nobody who‘s handling less than 7 figures even needs to be handling anything more complicated than single stocks.
You aren‘t and shouldn’t be „taking advantage of volatility“ if you’re just a regular dude, you’re just getting a worse sharpe for more effort.

[Anonymous No.57071653]

>>57071601
>>buy crypto with cash
How to buy 10 BTC with cash without getting murdered for the cash?
>>use DEX
They report to the tax authorities.

[Anonymous No.57071657]

>>57071635
>you use options to hedge
yes

or you can use them to construct any kind of risk exposure you ever want. less risk, more risk. anything you want.

[Anonymous No.57071668]

>>57071598
Where2git groceries with crypto?

[Anonymous No.57071729]

>>57071668
crypto.com

[Anonymous No.57071755]

>>57071729
dope

[Anonymous No.57071853]

Options are fun. Crypto is actually the future though, no reason to fade crypto

[Anonymous No.57071935]

>>57069566
go back

[Anonymous No.57071949]

>>57069603
>/smg/ is too fast to follow
lmao ok grandpa

[Anonymous No.57072152]

>>57071299
This is a blatant lie, the semites in charge worked really fucking hard in the last 20 years to make so you're just beneficiary of the contract, and not owner of the asset.
No it's not yours, in case of default of the custodian you're getting rugpulled.

[Anonymous No.57072193]

>>57071949
> I gotta refresh, ahhh! Dopaaa

[Anonymous No.57072247]

>>57072152
this the vast majority of options contracts expire worthless. OP is probably another wsb faggot desperate for more losers to buy his bags while he coordinates on discords to pump and dump.
>Remember when one of the wsb mods was found working for Citadel?
>Remember when the mods pump and dumped the reddit NFT collection they were awarded by admins?
>Remember the WSBCoin scam that got them doxed?
They're currently seething as wsb is basically dead, no one posts any DD or trades, its 90% bots in daily threads.

[Anonymous No.57072263]

Every time I buy options I lose 50% in a day.

[Anonymous No.57072357]

Make an options trading general everyday, call it /otg/, end of thread

[Anonymous No.57072410]

>>57071248
>don't you feel more confortable trading options than shitcoins
In certain aspects, yes. It depends on what options since there's considerable variability even on the same ticker across different dates. I don't trade shitcoins though, tried it a bit last bull, made a little money but really not my cup of tea. They both go in my "do not touch" basket. Daytrading in general has cost me money and a lot of time, where weekly/monthly swinging fucking prints and costs me practically no time.

[Anonymous No.57072419]

>>57069566
>Thought?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/o2opV6V5V5g

short video of me trading

[Anonymous No.57072429]

>>57071123
>too dumb to play options in crypto
>cant even figure out uniswap
>"look at my 2x!" (LOL nice returns gramps)
>"yes goy come to our markets!"
nah fuck off lmao, eat shit moshie

[Anonymous No.57072452]

>>57071635
>You aren‘t and shouldn’t be „taking advantage of volatility“ if you’re just a regular dude, you’re just getting a worse sharpe for more effort.
absolutely, 100% true, but no one will listen because they somehow think they can "beat" the system, or at least they hope they can because at the very least they know its *possible* to land 100x with options, however remote that possibility may be. These people trade options because they have bought the idea that they *might* get rich quick. The options dealers simply profit by selling them these hopes and dreams.

[Anonymous No.57072478]

>>57072429
>too dumb to play options in crypto
this is actually something that I am interested in, given how fucking volatile crypto is (and how volatile the volatility can be). Main issue is liquidity.

[Anonymous No.57072527]

>>57072452
so your advice is don't gamble. that's fine I guess, but you're just judging people's behavior here. you can gamble with options and any other financial security for that matter. options can be used sensibly to achieve all sorts of goals. gamble on your own discretion.

[Anonymous No.57072619]

>>57072527
>options can be used sensibly to achieve all sorts of goals
you ain't from round these parts

[Anonymous No.57072679]

>>57072410
Playing 0dte options on Tesla or Nvidia is a lot more entertaining at least than wondering where to buy Solid.

But im talking day-trading in general. Why not load XOM calls if you think WTI is gonna pop? Etc.

With crypto, where’s the edge?

[Anonymous No.57072687]

>>57072357
Please do.

[Anonymous No.57072700]

>>57071949
Yeah,
Like I’m going to read 300 messages per thread with an average of 5 threads a day.

[Anonymous No.57072732]

>>57072700
>he doesn't sit in /smg/ 24/7

[Anonymous No.57072778]

>>57072732
>ngmi

[Anonymous No.57072795]

>>57069566
institutional research is dogshit quality and worse than what I pumped out as an undergrad

crypto is just a fundamentally more attractive asset class than equities and equity options. The sooner you learn this and pivot to the real growth market, the better mr JPM

[Anonymous No.57072852]

>>57072795
How do you know about their quality?

[Anonymous No.57072881]

>>57072679
>more entertaining
Trade for profit, not entertainment. If you're "having fun" you're probably oversized.
>Why not load XOM calls if you think WTI is gonna pop?
Oil stocks can and often do diverge from the price of crude oil. They are moderately correlated over the long term but that correlation is not evenly distributed in the short to medium term. There's a bunch of other variables related to the function of these businesses which may distort that price signal. And the stock market is so fucking efficient that any price correlation between crude and oil stocks that does exist is likely to be priced in, in real-time by algos so I couldn't exploit it even if I wanted to.
>With crypto, where’s the edge?
The edge is how hilariously inefficient the market is. Since there are no fundamentals there's a very small set of variables to consider. Sentiment, supply dynamics and price action. Technical analysis works better because the charts are largely driven by human emotion and self-fulfilling prophecy. Price is 100% subjectively determined. There are no "fair value" algos instantly correcting pricing inefficiencies based on a cashflow valuation algorithm which updates in real-time, because there are no cashflows. I have very little competition from institutional players for a vast number of reasons which make it unattractive to them.

[Anonymous No.57072929]

If you don’t see why crypto is the future you’re fundamentally retarded. data breaches of credit card providers and banks are worth hundreds of billions up to trillions, centralization is actually a hindrance to the system as it makes the rules as it sees fit and then just follows those rules to continue winning. Trading worthless and operationally expensive dollars to own the operationally “cheap” bitcoin system makes sense

[Anonymous No.57073028]

>>57072852
i work buyside and get access to all the major equity research platforms, JPM included

generally all trash, only worth speaking to the covering analysts on the phone and getting their real opinion and market analysis, anything in print is dogshit

[Anonymous No.57073059]

>>57073028
Lucky anon.

[Anonymous No.57073085]

>>57069566
>I’m not bashing but, could we transition /biz/ to step away?
I've little idea on how to make money on wallstreet stuff as I am just a crypto nerd. Where to start? OK, I get options and puts, but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.57073114]

I just sell covered calls on over bought shit I own. Then buy them back after the dip

[Anonymous No.57073316]

>>57069566
Can I self custody a stock? Didn't think so.

[Anonymous No.57073393]

>>57073028
Don’t tell me there’s no edge when they go overweight on a stock and present a decent analysis, compared to buy x on here.

[Anonymous No.57073516]

>>57069566
sir, this is an indian board

[Anonymous No.57073536]

>>57071231
if your bankroll is $200, log off and get a job

[Anonymous No.57073539]

>>57073393
analyst buy ratings are predicated more on what level of business that firm does with the bank than the outlook for the shares over the next 12mo

sell side analysts generally know their companies and the industry quite well and are great to speak to on the phone to learn about both of those things and also to get feedback from what other investors they speak with are buying/selling and generally what the positioning setup is like in a name or sector

they're terrible at stock picking and their actual target prices are more or less pulled out of their ass to justify their rating

[Anonymous No.57073557]

>>57073539
So it’s all manipulation.

>tfw /biz/ is so far ahead trading on unmanipulated markets.

[Anonymous No.57073567]

>>57069566
>>57069603
There are already 14 million members on Wall Street Bets. This is a mostly Indian crypto board, most are from countries that don’t even allow option trading.

[Anonymous No.57073777]

>>57069566
b4ck t0 r3ddit f4660t

[Anonymous No.57073901]

>>57072619
A stock buck who's beggin' for a breaking

[Anonymous No.57073932]

>>57069566
im not looking for vol

[Anonymous No.57073938]

>>57069603
>post great DD
This can only really work on a site that isn't ephemeral in the way this site is.
This is why we don't really do DD, we just have our own way of doing things, we watch all sorts of indicators, sentiment, technical, fundamental , and trade on that.

[Anonymous No.57073956]

>>57071145
i'll bite, what's pt

[Anonymous No.57074991]

>>57073956
Wish I knew. But it’s just 80mcap rn. It’s all approved in patents.

[Anonymous No.57075947]

[Anonymous No.57076535]

>>57069566
sorry that no one is buying your over-priced scam options.
buying options is as retarded as is buying insurance to make money.

[Anonymous No.57076574]

Ff*fffffffffff

[Anonymous No.57077750]

>>57069566
If I was you I'd be more worried about Jamie Dimon cashing out all this stock.