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Rebellious delinquent female traders edition

>Educational sites:
https://www.investopedia.com/
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain

>Financial TV Streams:
https://watchnewslive.tv/watch-cnbc-live-stream-free-24-7/
http://www.livenewson.com/american/bloomberg-television-business.html
https://watchnewslive.tv/watch-fox-business-network-fbn-free-24-7/

>Charts:
https://www.tradingview.com
https://www.finscreener.com
https://www.koyfin.com/
https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com

>Screeners:
https://finviz.com/
https://www.tradingview.com/screener
https://etfdb.com/

>Options
https://www.optionsplaybook.com/options-introduction/
https://www.optionsprofitcalculator.com
https://optionstrat.com/
https://www.optionistics.com/quotes/option-prices

>Pre-Market and Live data:
https://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures
https://finance.yahoo.com/

>Calendars
https://www.marketwatch.com/economy-politics/calendar
https://www.earningswhispers.com/calendar
https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/interest-rates/countdown-to-fomc.html

>Boomer Investing 101:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started

>Misc:
https://tradingeconomics.com/
https://finance.yahoo.com/trending-tickers
https://market24hclock.com/
https://wallmine.com/
https://fintel.io/
https://www.dividendchannel.com/drip-returns-calculator
https://brokerchooser.com/
https://www.chathamfinancial.com/technology/us-market-rates

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>> No.56933224
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First for Titan Machinery

>> No.56933232
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HIGHER
FOR
MUCH,
MUCH,
MUCH LONGER

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/the-fed-watcher-who-called-the-2007-housing-bubble-expects-interest-rates-to-stay-high-for-much-much-much-longer-it-s-payback-for-the-unsustainable-free-money-era/ar-AA1lf7Pe

>> No.56933234

Selling $40k worth of bitfarms, what do I buy? costco/apple/voo? Give me ideas, yo

>> No.56933240

>>56933234
MONEY
MARKET
FUNDS

>> No.56933250

>>56933240
I'm in Canada bruh, so GIC? I dunno... So you think there's a crash in the near future or what

>> No.56933261
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>>56933232
personally, I think there will be a fakeout rate cut or two and catastrophic pump in inflation before we get much higher rates. But. Maybe Powell will stick to his guns and just keep them where they are during this mini-recession.

>>56933240
Just buy short-duration US treasuries and hold them to maturity at that point. If the gov defaults money market funds will too anyways.

>> No.56933263

>>56933234
Treasuries and brk.b.

>> No.56933276

>>56933234
QQQ

It's always QQQ when I don't know anything else desu

>> No.56933304

>>56933232
I don't expect rates to go anywhere for the next year. The economy is doing fine and so is inflation. There is currently no need to change anything

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>>56933250
>in Canada
>bruh

>> No.56933413
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I'm hungover...
Open the fucking markets anyway please...

>> No.56933449

>>56932881
>What is microsoft and apples arch nemesis?
Microsoft's is propbably the SEC with the creative accounting they did with that AI deal.
Apple's is China, and the $1000 phone market in general.

>> No.56933466

>>56933207
I quit my 16k job with 8k in btc, mara and MSTR, also LLP and some save. Wish me luck

>> No.56933495

>>56933380
hey man at least we get tax-free trading including options

if i 10x my 150k (leaf) dollars it'll all be mine!

>> No.56933519

Does anyone know how to bookmark Tradingview with a particular ticket? This way I would be able to have a list of tickers in a list without paying the premium. I already have used all free spots.

>> No.56933528

>>56933234
Why are you selling now? arent we supposed to moon once ETF accepted?

Im considering going all in on MSTR with my 400k€, if I were to only double this, I would be able to just live off putting it all on the sp500 and withdrawing 3% yearly (there are no good dividend ETFs here in europe like SCHD)

I just need a 2x.

>> No.56933551

>>56933240
I already have all of my money on DWS Euro Ultra Short and AXA Tresort Court Terme which are giving around the €STR index (so around 3.90%)

But rates going lower so they will stop being that profitable.

I cannot buy US treasures 1-3. I have an TLT equivalent in Vanguard 20 Euro Treasuy, I bought like 5k, and bought right at this local top of 155€

Anyway I don't want to miss on the BTC fomo so im considering all in on MSTR. I think im going to be so fucking bitter from missing on potential megafomo due liquidity crunch than seeing it crash like 50%, it will recover anyway.

>> No.56933556

>>56933466
>LLP
I was considering mining stocks but im scared that they fuck up, the halving is brutal for their finances. How do you even measure potential price points for your mining stocks? I do know that the MSTR is basically a sightly leveraged BTC position, but how the Fuck do you measure MARA? And what about BITF or CLRK?

>> No.56933570

>>56933304
I think the same. Theres no data JPow could point to that would justify a rate cut.

>> No.56933573

>>56933519
take the free month stack your watclist before it ends. havent tried it myself but could work

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>>56933570
no no, Mr. Hymen said there would be 6 rate cuts next year

>>56927849

>> No.56933605

>Rebellious delinquent female traders edition
literally me

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>>56933605
>literally me

>> No.56933654

>>56933224
Could never surpass John Deere

>> No.56933657

>>56933495
I didn't know that, breddy gud!

>> No.56933662

>>56933495
What, burgers don't have a tax free account?

>> No.56933671

>>56933573
I still have a lot more stuff on my watchfrom from before they limited it.

>> No.56933716
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>>56933224
Solid recovery from that earnings dump.

>> No.56933728

>>56933556
>>LLP
That's not Bitcoin oriented, it's a satelite stock that's supposedly going to the moon end of the year. As for he mining stocks, its he only think I can buy in interactive brokers, so I'm jumping in now before it explodes. There's also bitf but I haven't bought in because I don't have the cash for it.

>> No.56933732

>>56933528
>>56933234
ETF approval will cause an enormous "sell the news" pullback, especially as initial flows data disappoints.

We'll likely then crab between 30 and 50k until late 2024 as the halvening effect kicks in.

>> No.56933746

>>56933728
LLAP

>> No.56933756

>>56933732
Yeah but what if it goes into a mega fomo before it gets approved

and what if there is more demand than expected

>> No.56933769

>>56933662
We do. Roth and Traditional IRAs are self directed with a shared $6.5k/yr contribution limit, while work-provided 401(k)s offer a more limited list of fund choices but have a $22.5k/yr limit and are often sweetened by an employer match.

401(k)s are available in either Roth (taxed when you contribute) or Traditional (taxed when you withdraw) varieties and typically get rolled over to an IRA when you switch jobs.

I think for Canucks it's: TFSA = Roth IRA

>> No.56933770

>>56933728
Yeah I meant to quote MARA

You didn't answer to, how the fuck do you measure if a mining stock is a buy or not?
Why would you buy on BITF now?

I have cash, lots of cash, and I dont know where to put it, so im going all in on MSTR

I have no idea about your statelite stuff, why would it explode in price anyway

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>>56928641
Philosophers and engineers were assaulting Trump voters and we won’t be forgetting it anytime soon.
>>56930288
You didn’t need a tax ID number to get a Bank account? The trick is to keep your earned income as low as you can. Income taxes are mostly based on what you earn. I live outside USA and have no earned income to show so taxes are 0.

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anons, which broker is the best one to start a joint account? is that even possible?

>> No.56933775

>>56933756
Nta, but I think that's what's going to happen. All time high greed

>> No.56933785

>>56933775
we're at almost 8 weeks of green, think we've seen quite a bit of greed by now, and no selling. First red candle and I think we have a really bad time

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>>56933770
I don't know, it's been shilled he a lot and as I said, it's one of the only ones that my broker let's me buy. I'd go into BTIF now because it had a Friday jump of 22%.

The satelite thing supposedly won a lawsuit that's gonna pay them biggly, so it's a penny stock that might explode EOY.

>> No.56933808

>>56933556
>>56933770
Read the Investor Relations pages of the various miners. You'll see they basically don't make money because BTC mining difficulty adjusts based on the network's computing power.

However they often have piles of BTC on their balance sheet and are a target of leveraged hype dollars that get thrown their way. So when you buy BITF, MARA, CLSK, whatever, you're just playing a hot money game against other people like yourself who are FOMOing into a market they don't quite understand.

>> No.56933812

>>56933800
oh these are reasonable amounts
im talking 400k

so im not sure if its a good idea to gamble around with mining stocks or pennys

its already fucked up enough to go all in on MSTR, but I dont want to get priced out.

>> No.56933821

>>56933785
I hope not, since a lot of people are going to bet on it being the ticket out of wage slaving. But I'm seeing it crab and it's got me worried it'll go down and then skyrocket. The thing is I don't know when

>> No.56933836

>>56933812
Haha, that's the only thing I have to my name, so I'm gambling it all. If I where you I'd just buy Bitcoin and let it sit, since with the ETF there's going to be scarcity, or buy the etf

>> No.56933852

>>56933756
Look, not to pick on you but saying
>Im considering going all in on MSTR with my 400k€
and thinking
>I just need a 2x.
is the exact kind of buyer you see at the *end* of pumps, not the beginning. BTC may go up an additional 10 or 25% from here, but then crash back 40-50% and crab for another year.

Now ask yourself: Are you willing to baghold through that to get your 2x in 2025?

Can you stomach opening your brokerage one morning and seeing only 200k€?

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>>56933808
I understand BTC but not how mining companies operate. The BTC thing is, its limited in amount, its not mutable, and so on. Cool, but I dont know every ins and outs of the mining companies. I know MARA has the a lot of BTC, but MSTR has more.

Also what about Blackrock? they barely have any. Dont they have to buy a fuckload for the ETF.

>> No.56933869

>>56933852
How's the Bitcoin thing going to play out? When to sell and then buy the dip? Do you think it's going down this week?

>> No.56933873

>>56933852
Well the question is, can I stomach seeing it go to 100k where I sit on monetary funds that are going lower due rate cuts while these fucking cryptobros 2x+ their money? Fuck it.
I lost my income, I lost my fucking business, im too tired, I have been dead for an entire year anyway. If I could 2x this motherfucking money, I could live off it.

>> No.56933882

>>56933821
I have never seen BTC go for more than 9 weeks of green candles, so im counting on that correction happening, I will buy there.

>> No.56933893

>>56933856
MSTR doesn't do mining. It's a pseudo-ETF similar to GBTC. COIN and HOOD are brokerages that will pay out in a picks-and-shovels way.

To learn about the miners you should read up on Bitcoin itself and then the investor presentations they have on IR pages. Each has different approaches and gimmicks.

>Also what about Blackrock? they barely have any. Dont they have to buy a fuckload for the ETF.
They will buy more (or sell) based on market demand for the ETF. For now they're just forecasting and getting a feel from their customers.

>> No.56933900

>>56933893
>MSTR doesn't do mining.
Yeah thats why im interested, so I dont have to deal with the dynamics of owning a mining company.

>> No.56933914

>>56933250
buy the constellation software floating rate debenture and earn a 6.5% real return with upside if inflation comes back

CSU.DB

>> No.56933928

>>56933900
Well take a look at your pic. I don't think MSTR will convert to an ETF. And people have only bid it up to $9.3b (when it's only $7.6b worth of BTC) because there are no alternatives.

Which means the moment there *are* ETFs trading 1:1, MSTR would plunge to $7.6b or lower.

If you want a reverse situation (buying $1 of BTC for 90 cents) look at GBTC.

>> No.56933953

>>56933869
Look at the candles and the types of posts on /smg/, reddit, wherever. Dumb money always buys last.

>>56933873
Despair and hopelessness can be a good thing if they allow you to stomach drawdowns and bagholding. Just look at something like the 2019-2020 BTC market for what you could go through.

>> No.56934006

>>56933953
Okay but what top do you expect btc to reach? Is it really going to 100k or what

>> No.56934016

>>56933771
>pic
grim.
Home school your kids people.
>>56934006
At some point, yes. I recommend going back and seeing how it performed before and after the last halvening, it follows a patter, and the pump will be higher with the dozen crypto ETFs that are set to be approved by May.

>> No.56934023

>>56933928
>cathie dumping GBTC
yea I'm thinking that's a buy

>> No.56934026

>>56934006
>Is it really going to 100k or what
Crypto has no ceiling because fiat has no floor.

>> No.56934034

>>56934023
This nigga gets it. BITW's another fun one I hold but I am also a massive degen.

>> No.56934048

>>56933654
Doesn't have to

>> No.56934065
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>>56933654
Nothing could.

>> No.56934097

>>56934016
What can I expect my return to be if I invested 800 bucks in btc after halving(if I don't sell)? It's the only amount interactive brokers let me put in

>> No.56934128

Boom boom boom
Tup BOOM erware

>> No.56934152

>>56934097
Two to three digits, not necessarily positive

>> No.56934213
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Threadly reminder that dividends are irrelevant. If you want a bit of cash from your stocks, you can sell some.

>> No.56934221

>>56934152
80k?

>> No.56934225

>>56934213
Based

>> No.56934256

>>56934213
If you want cash, get a loan secured by your investment holdings

>> No.56934272

>>56934256
Incredibly semitic.

>> No.56934292

>>56934272
It's more tax advantageous

>> No.56934321

>>56933232
>the fed watcher

>> No.56934322

>>56933519
You just add a query parameter for the symbol
https://tradingview.com/chart/<your saved chart>/?symbol=CHDN

>> No.56934362

>>56934213
>"you can just realize a capital gain completely at your own convenience!"
>wakes up one day, underwater on TSLA and other retarded buys
>will be waiting a decade to break even
its weird how everything i have that's up 50% to 3x, where i could realize a capital gain if i wanted to, pays some kind of dividend

>> No.56934382

>>56933207
I wanna suck her middle finger

>> No.56934429
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Excuse me?

>> No.56934582

Anyone actually gamble here? I've been doing my own paper trading of parlays on NFL games that pay out 100x and each weekend I get either 1 out of 4 or really close to winning one and it would more than make up for the cost to lay down the other bets.

>> No.56934591

>>56934582
example >>>/sp/137411916

>> No.56934729
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>>56933928
From what I've heard MSTR will continue to offer a premium. Also ETF sucks because the profits are fucked long term due commissions.

>> No.56934746

>>56933953
>Despair and hopelessness can be a good thing if they allow you to stomach drawdowns and bagholding. Just look at something like the 2019-2020 BTC market for what you could go through.
But that was the ATH, we are half the way throught the ATH in a bull market. If it corrects from 120 to 60k then so be it. What I dont want is get priced out and be the idiot that didnt buy.

>> No.56934757

>>56934582
You mean like slots/poker/sports betting? Only for entertainment. I do enjoy gambling but buying stocks is much less work and produces more consistent gains.

>> No.56934763
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Alphabet will be the first FAGMAN to show weakness, their AI was a failure, their search is getting more worthless, SEO is a dying industry, they have no enterprise moat, no consumer obsession like apple or meta. There will be a power vacuum where the rest of FAGMAN tries to take market share, microsoft will win, apples product lines will get progressively worse until they start dropping production of their computers dumping their marketcap next, meta will rise but the chip wars will heat up and their iphone moment will never come with their VR shit. Meanwhile cloud computing will get more expensive and software standards will fall even harder as microsoft takes over, traditional microsoft software will start malfunctioning, the AWS cloud will start malfunctioning as resources are taken to increase bitcoin mining for the next 10 years. Some time in late 2030s china will actually collapse and raid taiwan, AI services will start to fail as chip production plummets and domestic chip manufacturing can't keep up, bitcoin mining will start failing as result. In the early 2040s people will start using low power monero mining nodes and precious metals as global trade is failing and energy is becoming too scarce to maintain the global economy. You should be opening shorts on alphabet and longing microsoft for the next 5-10 years, open shorts on microsoft approximately 2-3 years after they buy meta and apple around 2031. Move some dividends into btc up until 2035 but keep btc profits in monero on a secured node running gentoo so you will not be stuck when the great technology crash happens around 2037.

>> No.56934767

>>56934746
3k CME gap still unfilled, you'll have the opportunity to buy some time.

>> No.56934780

>>56934757
Yeah, like this >>>/sp/137413093
I could do five different versions of this, and risk $500 the the chance to make 100k+
I work from home and watch sports center all day, and I've been really close on these parlays most of the season. They offer to buy you out if you're in the lead, so I'm thinking about trying it next week.

>> No.56934787

>>56934729
>ETF sucks because the profits are fucked long term due commissions.
I don't think 0.75%/yr - on the high side - exactly qualifies as "fucked" when you're talking about Bitcoin.

>>56934746
We are pre-halving, and 2.5 years after a previous ATH. Mid-2019 sure seems like a valid analogy.

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>>56934763

>> No.56934872

>>56933756
Dump to sub 40K, pump to 46-48K a week or two before ETF announcement, then dump to 30K for sell the news event. Calling it now and will put my money where my mouth is once I see a clear divergence on the chart.

>t. Bought 16K last year

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>>56934780
As long as you aren't treating it as entertainment go ahead. "The house always wins" is the phrase for a reason. They wouldn't dangle that delicious reward if they didn't have hedges against it. I do enjoy casino gambling over stock market gambling. Maybe if brokerages added reels and spinners to the options buying screen it could compete.
>Checks vegas stocks
Wow almost all of them are still eating dirt. Why aren't they performing better? Last time I was at Vegas it was majorly packed, and it wasn't even peak season.

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>>56934787
Your BTC grows with the shares, ETF dilutes your investment.

>> No.56934944

>>56934892
Yeah, I suppose for MSTR you can look at the enterprise or book value or whatever that is and it'll keep being treated as an actively managed, slightly levered ETF. Though I suspect a lot of money invested in it would switch to plain, vanilla 1x-from-Blackrock exposure when that option becomes available.

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>>56934834
JPMorgan is a joke and will go down in flames with the federal government and the entire financial industry of america. These banks and government stooges are worthless and they know it. The entire economy and "stability" rests on surplus energy and cloud computing. The first is going away and the latter with it. Bitcoin mining was the greed honey trap they fell in and its real purpose with ASIC mining was to accelerate the electric grid failing. It's why the real schizophrenic crypto nerds moved on to monero cause individual CPU processing would outlast complex chip capitalism wars. The entirety of our post 911 FAGMAN hallucination world is going to collapse before bitcoin mining exhausts itself. You can't legislate the natural laws of the universe. They know this and they respect the knowledge of the ancients and their mythology of chaos and stability cycles like the egyptians did. The elite always follow the path of the bible and its references in ancient mythology. Monero is the chosen money of the chaos age during which israel as a state falls before the reset into new order where precious metals are agreed on as money in the post electricity world as time goes on its flat circle path and leads us to ancient kingdoms again.

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>>56935016
>jones back on twatter
This year is going to git gud.

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China bros...

>> No.56935101

>>56935078
I'm giving Xi got one (1) month to deploy two (2) trillion worth of stimulus. Failure to deliver and I write off every Chink stock market.

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>>56934944
Yeah but if I wait for the ETF to buy I may get priced out. There's some priced projections here and there that predict we'll see 30k ish again but who knows. What the fuck would you do? I may put in 300k. I need 100k in monetary funds anyway to have some cash comming in since I have no income now.

>> No.56935161

W E E D
E
E
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>> No.56935170

>>56935078
It's just a little deflation in an economy built entirely upon debt totaling 300% of GDP and growing, I'm sure it's nothing.

>> No.56935212

Anons why are orange juice futures so expensive?

Jan 24 futures have been trading around 400 points aka $60k. One contract is 15000lbs. So we're talking like $8 per liter of orange juice. This is basically a wholesale price, why is it higher than normal orange juice for sale in my local grocery store?

>> No.56935265

>>56935121
Well I'm not you. I'm currently like 35% GBTC and 10% BITW, but the rest of my portfolio is keeping pace with that so I'm not feeling FOMO one way or the other. After New Years I'll probably throw a few % into short term BITO or COIN puts, then a couple weeks after approval shift to 2x or 3x leverage.

However if you have a life, this is your first time investing in crypto, and are asking randos on /smg/ for advice, your best bet is probably going all in now and not checking the balance a single time until mid 2025 when you sell it all.

>> No.56935275

>>56935212
Some citrus greening disease is absolutely destroying the Florida orange juice crop. However there's probably a WTI vs Brent deal where global orange juice supply can flow back into the US.

>> No.56935279

>>56935212
Some chink pest is killing orchards.

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Reminder that the Polish government is currently engaging in election interference against the United States on behalf of Joe Biden. Poland is a direct threat to US democracy and needs to be sanctioned accordingly by the next administration.

>> No.56935298

>>56935284
I see your game. You just want a chance to cheaply invest in Eastern Poland.

>> No.56935317

>>56935284
why is she doing that

>> No.56935334
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>>56935298
They're extremely active in these threads, and on /k/, and on /pol/. They're obsessed with covering for the Biden administration's fuckups, not the least of which is fucking up the US economy. This is financial advice.

>> No.56935344
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56935344

Polish oil anon are you here? How do you play oil market now that we had that nasty dump few days ago

>> No.56935386
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56935386

Because of daily rebalancing, LEVERAGED ETFs provide super-linear returns when the index has a positive run up.
The same is also true in reverse for inverse ETFs.

This is like an option pay-off.
>Figure 1, 2x Leveraged ETF vs Index returns.

>> No.56935413
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56935413

>>56935386
>like an option
So how about holding long and short leveraged ETFs simultaneously? Now it's like a long straddle.
>Figure 2

Just pay fund fees for optionality.

>> No.56935435
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56935435

>soft landing

>> No.56935448
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56935448

>>56933207
This is what they look like at 16 but in 5 years they become single moms with fuzzy headed kids.

>> No.56935452

>>56935212
It is frozen concentrated orange juice (you need to add water)

>> No.56935461

>>56933232
Basically
>"We cooked the books with inflation but it's still going to show over the long term"

>> No.56935464

>>56933232
Basically the market was 'pricing in' the fed promising cuts. On wednesday Jpow will come out and lay his brass balls on the table while the market is pumping and say "no cuts" and take no questions. Then your life-savings SOXL-based portfolio will invert and fall to zero.

>> No.56935478

>>56933234
VT

>> No.56935499

>Cigna abandons pursuit of Humana, plans $10 billion share buyback

What do we think anons, CALL or PUT?

>> No.56935573

>>56935499
Call, they're literally telling you that they're buying their own stock.

>> No.56935589

>>56934875
Exposure to china?

>> No.56935612

Is january going to short squeeze or dump? Max pains are so low

>> No.56935669

Got a question for the older folks here. If in your late 20s you came into some money, like the upper end of tens of thousands, what would you have done with it?

>> No.56935679

>>56935284
>Polish
I knew we couldnt trust them
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1702067320349359.webm

>> No.56935699
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56935699

>>56935386
>>56935413
Get your head around this one!
>Portfolio 1: 100% SPY
>Portfolio 2: 50% SSO, 50% SDS
>Portfolio 3: 50% UPRO, 50% SPXU

>> No.56935725

>>56935573
So if I buy 10x leveraged calls tomorrow at 8am CET, what could possibly go wrong?

>> No.56935736
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56935736

This is the most bullish monthly chart ever. Gold will fucking explode in 2024 or 2025.

My bet is Fed will be forced to cut next year to prevent total financial meltdown due to upcoming debt re-financing and bank bailout ending in March (supposedly)

If they have to chose between cutting rates back and spiraling into 10-15% inflation or letting banks default they will always pick inflation.

They will try to inflate the debt away which will lead to a stagflation like we haven't seen in history. Gold and oil will quadruple.

>> No.56935739

>>56935725
You lose all your money. Infinite upside though!

>> No.56935750

>>56935725
the market and be very finicky about when exactly it wants to price in buybacks
so you could very easily be theta raped

>> No.56935761
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56935761

Be more sentimental

>> No.56935766

>>56935739
>>56935750
Ok and what if I buy 10x leveraged certificates?
This way I only lose all my money if the stock literally drops 10%

>> No.56935793

>>56935766
Are you comfortable with a 10% trailing stop? I haven't pulled up their chart, but I try to place my stops based on how much it typically moves in a range, and I'll tighten it up if I feel like it's nearing a top and exit with a profit.

>> No.56935822

>>56935793
My experience is that 10% for a 10x factor is way too tight. You need more like 20% AND you only set the stop loss if you're already up like 30%

>> No.56935852

>>56935822
Yeah. Typically when just buying regular stock I try to enter with a 15% stop. Really depends on how much of your total portfolio you're willing to risk.

>> No.56935874
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56935874

>futures

>> No.56935900

>>56935852
Well for the options/certificates it's just pocket money gambling tier for me. Like 2% of the total money on my broker account

>> No.56935942

>>56935900
If you like the stock then I'd say go for it.

>> No.56935968

URANIUM
3
O
8

Is buying
UUUU & UEC, at market price tomorrow morning like buying Bitcoin in 2018?

Is URANIUM a five year hold?

Is the URANIUM BULL THESIS still intact?

>> No.56935997

>>56935265
This wouldn't be a problem if I didnt lose my income. How the fuck im going to do this.

>> No.56936055

>>56935942
I don't like it per se, i just wanna figure out how well my "trade on obvious news" works kek.

So far it's been like 6/7 (even tho I panicsold 3 of them like a brainlet), and for the 1/7 it was just being too late on the news

>> No.56936099

>>56935435
Did that shark really try to fly?

>> No.56936158

>started with 15k in 2019
>17k in 2022 before i got a job
>too busy to trade now
>50k total from all accounts just putting into ETFS with very little volatility
so this is it huh.... is the boomer strategy all i'm good for?

>> No.56936159

So short squeezing on January opex

>> No.56936240

>>56936158
I wish i did the boomer strategy.
I have 25k in Soxl and 25k in china.

>> No.56936261

>>56936158
wut etfs

>> No.56936271

>>56935699
Incredibly fucked up.

>> No.56936279

>>56936099
You idiot, that's a dolphin.

>> No.56936298

>>56936261
just dividend etfs like SCHD and VOO.

>> No.56936306
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56936306

>>56935761
That's because people see $15 Big Mac meals and feel the economy is fucked. Economists try to handwave this away.

>> No.56936323

>>56935968
Maybe not UUUU. There are other speculative URNJ-type holdings out there.

>>56935997
How much do you need to live? This investment plan does not take much time, so you can surely get at least a part time job to cover living expenses.

>> No.56936376

the unit i've been renting has been uninhabitable for 10 consecutive days due to a complete and total blockage caused by the landlord's faulty plumbing installed by the previous owner.
financially speaking, how do i profit from this?

>> No.56936394

>>56936376
call the landlord?

>> No.56936400

>>56936394
the landlord was notified ten days ago and has not begun repairs.

>> No.56936407

>>56933732
>initial flows data disappoints
GBTC already has $27b AUM, BTC ETFs are the largest ETF launch in the history of ETFs by an order of magnitude. Remember this is a big halving, it's the inflection point were BTC's inflation (1.7% now) permanently falls well below gold's (2%), at all future points BTC will only ever be a better and better fixed unit of account.

>> No.56936416

>>56936400
you know where he lives? send him your doodoo and tell him to flush it for you since you can't.

>> No.56936422

>>56936416
directly above me. they've already been down here and seen the problem (it took 3 days of fighting to get them to come down and see it). they were quoted on a fix. they have yet to do anything.

>> No.56936431

>>56933732
>the halvening effect kicks in.
What happens during the halvening?

>> No.56936439

>>56936431
>>56935121

>> No.56936446
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>futures
https://youtu.be/0bj4i-sW44s

>> No.56936452

>>56934763
based

>> No.56936468

>>56936439
Why would price go up after halving?

>> No.56936477

>>56936468
Because generation of more coins gets cut in half.

>> No.56936479
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56936479

Put an offer in for the royalty rights of a lil pump song. This would be my first royalty income producing asset if I win the auction

>> No.56936495
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56936495

This is a bit out of my price range for this type of investment but I can see this doing very well

>> No.56936500

>>56936407
Sure, but how many fundamentally good/bad investments do you know that didn't behave exactly how you'd expect short term due to flows or beating/missing expectations in some way?

>> No.56936511
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56936511

>futures

getting real tired of this shit

>> No.56936519

>>56936479
>>56936495
These seem like terrible investments.

>> No.56936520
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56936520

>>56935968
yes just buy URNJ, easy double if not more. i have some positions up 200%+

>> No.56936535
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>> No.56936559

>>56933928
MSTR is also a profitable consulting company, MSTR is pretty neutrally priced right now

>> No.56936570

>>56936519
Why? I want physical checks in the mail. I’ll shill the music or tv shows across the internet.

>> No.56936572

I feel good about the future.

>> No.56936584

>>56936535
>People thought the market would always go up
They were right. Stock market recovered 20yrs later

>> No.56936587

>>56936570
you are half a decade late for shilling lil pump old man. dont waste your money
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmCeuK_YgQs

>> No.56936597

How can I make money from the war in middle east?

>> No.56936601
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56936601

Look out below

>> No.56936605
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56936605

>>56934213
Threadly reminder that the dividend card pays $5 more, and that some of us prefer passive income.

>> No.56936609

>>56936587
Someone already outbid me on that lil pump one anyway. My new target is the stoop kid episode of hey Arnold

>> No.56936611

>>56936597
What war in the middle east?

>>56936605
>Owning bank stocks
Monopoly Man ngmi

>> No.56936629

>>56934213
Those arguing against the relevance of dividends provide the following argument. Let’s say a company’s stock is worth $10. In scenario A, it provides a $1 dividend. In scenario B, it retains its earnings. According to them, the two scenarios are equivalent because of the following math:

Scenario A – with a dividend
Total value = Dividend + (Stock Price – Dividend)

= $1 + ($10-$1) = $10

Scenario B – without a dividend

Total value = Stock price = $10

In other words, the total return is the same because the value of your stock drops by $1 after issuing the dividend (which is paid from the company’s assets). So according to them, this is like transferring money from one pocket to the other. Ben Felix – who has become famous, thanks to his well-known Youtube video on the “Irrelevance of Dividends”

>> No.56936636

>>56936597
How I made 7 figures in Q4: Bought every plane ticket from Tel Aviv to major jewy cities (NYC, LA, London) and flipped them at 500x markup. This method is called "Taste of your own medicine"

>> No.56936641
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56936641

>>56934213
But Ben Felix and others who repeat the above sentiment are wrong. While the math for the immediate stock price + dividend is the same because the dividends come out of the stock price, the difference behind the scenes is very large.

Re-Invested Dividends Buy Proven, Existing Cashflows

When you use your dividends to purchase additional shares in a company, you are purchasing more of the same, proven cashflow that the company has already demonstrated it can pull off. There’s no speculation. Mind, I’m not saying that dividends are guaranteed and that the company won’t cut them in the future. But the company has shown that it can generate the cashflow it already has, and you are using your dividends to buy more of the same.

In other words, you are using your dividends to purchase another tap, compared to retained earnings, where the company only promises to grow the size of the existing tap.
Each time you re-invest your dividends, you are purchasing another tap that already exists.

Retained Earnings are Only a Promise of Future Growth

When a company retains its earnings, it’s making the following promise to you:

I will invest this money into the company to generate at least the same returns as the one I’m generating now, if not more. These earnings will be in addition to my existing operations.

The last part is important. The company is promising to grow its business at an Internal Rate of Return (IRR) that is at least the same as what it is currently generating. That growth hasn’t happened yet. It is a speculation. It may never happen. There’s a good chance that the company will fail to generate higher returns on its retained earnings than what it is currently generating.

In general, I don’t believe that magical, revenue-growing opportunities are just randomly lying around in which companies can easily invest their retained earnings at a higher IRR than their already existing cashflow machine.

>> No.56936649

That pasta is fucking stale and dividends don't matter

>> No.56936654
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56936654

>>56936298
>SCHD
Very nice. Looks like youre set for the future

>> No.56936663

>>56936649
Reveled to you in a dream huh? I’m just glad you can’t refute the pasta.

>> No.56936681

>>56936500
Doesn't matter. Trying to swing BTC is irrational as the long term value is too strong, and given this will be the largest (by far) ETF launch in history it's silly to believe we'll fully price-in the ETF before launch

>> No.56936695

>can't refute
You did it in the first post, just moving money from one pocket to another. It's just a psycological trick.

>>56936570
>I’ll shill the music or tv shows across the internet.
to who?

>> No.56936696

>>56936323
around 1k a month. I live with my mom. I guess I could leave like 50k in monetary funds while interests are decent.

>> No.56936698
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56936698

>>56936535
Don't worry, money printer will just brrr us out

>> No.56936706

>>56936654
I cannot buy this shit in europe. Any altenratives?

>> No.56936727

>>56936323
What's wrong with UUUU?
UROY ?
>>56936520
KING
what are the five largest holdings in URNJ ?

>> No.56936730

>>56936611
Not war yet but there's a big potential
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1733923887031709850?t=DUdi4S4EQkJAVgqvcpnZaA&s=19

>> No.56936739

>>56936698
>don't worry, there's no such thing as NIGGERS AND JEWS

>> No.56936780
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>>56936739
We can dream anon.

>> No.56936795

>>56936780
Really though, why the fuck were they growing plants in the sink?

>> No.56936803

>>56936795
probably just watered them

>> No.56936806
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56936806

>>56936795
...do you not?

>> No.56936812

>>56936727
>What's wrong with UUUU?
Potential delays getting their mines up and running I think. Plus a lack of focus by also going after rare earths. DYOR though.

>UROY ?
Could also work, though it lags URNJ.

>what are the five largest holdings in URNJ ?
ETF DB is your friend: https://etfdb.com/etf/URNJ/#holdings

>> No.56936829

>>56936806
For one thing, my kitchen sink doesn't get nearly enough sunlight.

>>56936803
Yeah but why not just fill a glass and use that to water the plants rather than moving their giant pots, having much less precise watering, and potentially spilling dirt each time? I guess that's why they're poor.

>> No.56936859

>>56936605
>it's better because it's worse but I'm lazy and incompetent
diviecucks disgust me

>> No.56936864

>>56936695
It points out how dividends are incredibly relevant. Sorry you got BTFO man

>> No.56936872

>>56936812
Positions in the URNJ
UEC 1
UUUU 4
UROY lucky 13


UUUU rare earth. Check

YGMI, Anon

>> No.56936878

>>56936864
dividends themselves are irrelevant but the angle of investing in companies that are financially stable for long term dividends is sound

>> No.56936893

>>56936706
Dont know anon. Maybe a vanguard equivalent?

>> No.56936905

>>56936641
buybacks do the same in a tax advantaged manner, diviecucks ETERNALLY blown the fuck out

>> No.56936919

All I know about dividends is it's hilarious when some "safe" divvy favorite like KO or T or BTI gets absolutely rekt out of nowhere.

>> No.56936920

>>56936641
>>56936878
>>56936905
Divies are only powerful when you have millions. Buffet makes billions off divies because he has such large positions. for anyone else its like who cares.

>> No.56936940

>>56936422
What country? Which state?

>> No.56936941

>>56936905
This.

>> No.56936950

>>56936905
Especially when they're AMR-tier insane.

>> No.56936959

>>56936905
Stock buybacks are supposed to be the perfect form of returning money to shareholders. After all, they increase the price of the stock without any taxation event! Buybacks appear to be the magic pill that forever puts dividends in the shade. Why would you waste money on giving a dividend, when you could purchase back your own stock? Well, here’s why buybacks are a terrible alternative to dividends.

Dividends vs Buybacks: Investing vs Speculation

I will show, how buybacks encourage short-term thinking by company executives whose compensation depends on the stock price and stock-related metrics like EPS. Buybacks encapsulate the fundamental difference between investing and speculation. Speculation concerns itself with price movements, while investing concerns itself with cashflows.

Buybacks Reward Sellers and Often Penalize Existing Shareholders

I find it a cruel irony that by purchasing its own stock, a company is rewarding those who sell their shares and are no longer investors, while existing investors are left with paper gains that can evaporate in the wind. Particularly when the impact of the buybacks is mitigated by stock dilution in the form of stock-based executive compensation. The only ones who win in that scenario are those who sold out of the company, and the executives.

Apparently, I’m not the only one who thinks this. I have my problems with Buffet’s policy on Berkshire dividends, but in this matter, his views are my own. In Buffet’s 1999 letter to shareholders, he had this to say:

>Now, repurchases are all the rage, but are all too often made for an unstated and, in our view, ignoble reason: to pump or support the stock price. The shareholder who chooses to sell today, of course, is benefited by any buyer, whatever his origin or motives. But the continuing shareholder is penalized by repurchases above intrinsic value. Buying dollar bills for $1.10 is not good business for those who stick around.

>> No.56936985

>>56936920
I feel like if you want divys you just rebalance into bonds when you're close to retiring. Because then you have the income you need and just need to keep up with inflation.

>> No.56936991

>>56936905
Dividends, on the other hand, are a direct reward to long-term shareholders who are incentivized to keep holding the stock to reap its benefits. If they sell, they stop receiving those benefits. Why should a company provide liquidity to those who want to sell their shares?

Buybacks Benefit Company Executives More than Shareholders

we can’t assume that what’s good for the shareholders will also be good for company management. Stock buybacks are so popular because they benefit executives in the company whose compensation is based on stock options and hitting EPS targets.

In a study for the Harvard Business Review titled “Profits Without Prosperity: How Stock Buybacks Manipulate the Market, and Leave Most Americans Worse Off“, William Lazonick makes the following point:

>In 2012 the 500 highest paid executives named on proxy statements averaged remuneration of $24.4 million, with 52% coming from stock options and another 26% from stock awards. With ample stock‐based pay, top corporate executives can gain from boosts in stock prices

>The only plausible reason for this mode of resource allocation is that the very executives who make the buyback decisions have much to gain personally through their stock-based pay.

Executives are also often compensated based on the company hitting certain EPS targets, which makes them purchase shares even when it makes no sense:

>for the 500 highest paid corporate executives…total remuneration…was increasingly in the form of restricted stock awards that require the company to attain EPS targets.

Bottom line: There is ample evidence that stock repurchases are overly utilized to meet EPS targets to confirm with analyst expectations, to pump stock prices for enhancing executive pay and stock-based compensation.

But in theory, it should still be fine, right? Dividends or stock repurchases are all the same thing! Nope.

>> No.56936995

>>56936829
Some plants only get watered on occasion, and the soil has to be completely flooded with the extra drained out the bottom.

>> No.56937002

GME is the only stock that matters faggots. Don't be a hedgie cuck

>> No.56937011

>Buybacks Reward Sellers and Often Penalize Existing Shareholders
See, this is where your whole argument falls apart, aside from the one pocket vs the other nonsense.

>> No.56937012

>>56936940
WA, king county

>> No.56937014

>>56936905
Stock Buybacks are Most Often Inefficient

Basic common sense will tell you that stock repurchases only make sense when the share is trading at below its intrinsic value. The same principles of investing apply when purchasing your own shares, as when you buy those of another company. Ideally, a company is in a better position to know the intrinsic value of its shares, so wouldn’t companies buy back their shares at attractive prices? But this doesn’t happen.

If the thesis is true, then share buybacks should increase during recessions and lowered prices, and decrease during bull-runs, right? After all, if share prices are depressed beyond reason, then it’s the perfect time to pick up your own shares on the cheap. The truth is that the reverse happens.
>executives often claim that buybacks are financial investments in undervalued shares that signal confidence in the company’s future as measured by its stock-‐price performance. But as we have seen, over the past two decades major US companies have tended to do buybacks in bull markets and cut back on them, often sharply, in bear markets

Lazonick, W. (2014). Profits Without Prosperity: How Stock Buybacks Manipulate the Market, and Leave Most Americans Worse Off. Paper prepared for the Annual Conference of the Institute for New Economic Thinking, Toronto, April 10-12, 2014 (p. 11).

>It appears to us that many companies now making repurchases are overpaying departing shareholders at the expense of those who stay….I can’t help but feel that too often today’s repurchases are dictated by management’s desire to “show confidence” or be in fashion rather than by a desire to enhance per-share value.

Letter to the shareholders of Berkshire Hathaway, Inc – 1999

>> No.56937023

>>56936905
In short, buybacks are losing you money, and overpaying for stocks, benefiting those who sell their shares at the expense of loyal shareholders. And why? All to pump the stock price that enables corporate executives to benefit from stock-based metrics like EPS, either directly through performance incentives, or indirectly through meeting analyst expectations.

Without Dividends, Buybacks Make no Sense

The only real benefit I can find in buybacks is that they increase the dividend per share, assuming that the payout ratio remains constant. Whether it would have been better to pay the dividend in the first place depends on the price at which the shares are repurchased, among other things, so I can’t say definitively whether it’s good or bad.

However, note that it again, comes down to the Gordon equation. A buyback only makes sense if it either:

Increases the dividend yield
Increases the growth of that yield
These things can happen with a buyback, but it’s not guaranteed. Certainly if a company like Berkshire is committed to never paying a dividend, then a buyback has no benefit.

>> No.56937024

>>56937002
>one post by this ID
I like to invest in companies that have at least made a yearly profit since 2016

>> No.56937032

>>56936985
>I feel like if you want divys you just rebalance into bonds
Yes but that hasnt been the case wit ZIRP. Which is also a valid argument that divy stocks arent paying out new rates based on 4-5% FOMC. theyre still paying like its ZIRP which is silly when im exposed to risk.

>> No.56937034

>>56937012
>WA, king county
Leftest shithole?

>> No.56937037

>>56937034
yes i hate it here.

>> No.56937045
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I like buybacks and divvies

>> No.56937054

>>56937037
That sucks. Hopefully that actually works in your favor. Contact the local news station, I've seen local stations do 3-5 minute stories on locals being fucked over one way or another. Landlord have other properties or tenants?

>> No.56937060

>>56937045
Me too. That’s why I like Visa so much.

>> No.56937064
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Bets on opening futes in 7 minutes?

>> No.56937070
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>>56937064
>futures

>> No.56937074

>>56937054
they don't, just me. i'm thinking i can just break the lease and leave since they've violated the warranty of habitability.

>> No.56937085

>>56937074
Might be worth it to get an attorney. Also, check your renter's insurance coverage.

>> No.56937097
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>futures

>> No.56937104

>>56936629
>>56936641
>When you use your dividends to purchase additional shares in a company, you are purchasing more of the same, proven cashflow that the company has already demonstrated it can pull off.
This isn't a valid refutation of dividend irrelevance.

The argument applies to buybacks too: if you hold all your shares through a buyback, you're investing more deeply into "the same, proven cashflow that the company has already demonstrated it can pull off." So this supposed advantage of dividend stocks is also present in no-dividend buyback stocks.

In any case, the "proven cashflow" doesn't increase your returns in general because the market prices that in. It's public information, after all.

>> No.56937105

>>56937023
>>56937014
>>56936991
Stay poor paypig taxcattle.

>> No.56937123

>>56937104
This is a valid refutation of dividend irrelevance and frankly it blows your arguments out of the water. I’m sorry that you are taking dividends relevance personally but that’s just the world you live in.

>> No.56937127

>>56937105
>buys back stock at all time highs

>> No.56937129

>>56937123
>This is a valid refutation of dividend irrelevance
No.

>> No.56937132

>NATGAS AND OIL

>> No.56937139

Europe pumping as always.

>> No.56937150

>>56937127
Beats a 40% haircut which rapes compounding.

>> No.56937156

boil bros i dont feel so good

>> No.56937165

i have too much stuff, how do i get rid of stuff without feeling bad about wasting stuff

i bought too much with my covid gains a year ago and some of them are not even opened yet

>> No.56937173

if dividends are irrelevant then why do you keep posting about them

>> No.56937184

>>56937156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHESy8XsJPs

>> No.56937199
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56937199

>>56936959
>>56936991
>>56937014
>>56937023

>> No.56937210

S&P and DOW green
techtroondex RED

>> No.56937214

>>56937165
Regift to friends and family or donate to Goodwill/Salvation Army.

>> No.56937235

>>56935699
OK what am I missing here? If you are long term bullish on S&P 500 why wouldn't you just go in on UPRO ?

>> No.56937244

>>56937173
To inform investors of dividend irrelevance.

>> No.56937269

>>56937244
Impossible they’re too relevant. Thankfully I’ve introduced the pasta.

>> No.56937273

>>56937235
Anon's pointing out some silliness that, due to market trends and rebalancing, Portfolio Visualizer can show you profiting well from a mix of [ETF + its inverse counterpart].

>> No.56937280

>>56937244
but if they're irrelevant then isn't it irrelevant to tell people they're irrelevant?

>> No.56937282
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56937282

Gentlemen, there's a puzzle in the >futures market before you. Do you see it?

>> No.56937288
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>futes

>> No.56937297
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56937297

>>56937282
I don't.

>> No.56937318
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56937318

yall
this isn't funny

>> No.56937322
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56937322

>>56937297
Curious that everything is flat on a CPI and Fed week. Except...

>> No.56937336
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>>56937322
....small caps?

>> No.56937339

>>56936829
My dad has a ton of orchids in an outdoor greenhouse. Every Sunday he brings each one inside and rinses any particles left from the fertilizer he uses on them. Says it is better for the soil to fully rinse it.

>> No.56937356

>>56937322
NATGAS

>> No.56937365
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56937365

>>56937336
>>56937356
Bravo, gentlemen. It seems the outdoors and markets are both heating up.

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>>56937365
ok thank you that was a fun investigation

>> No.56937391

>>56937280
No, "dividend irrelevance" means dividends aren't relevant to building a portfolio in some models of investing. It doesn't mean an investor who misunderstands dividends suffers no downsides.

In practice, investors who misunderstand dividends have lower expected returns—because their portfolios have too little diversification, for example. Investors would benefit from knowing about dividend irrelevance theory, so telling them about it is valuable.

>> No.56937435

>>56937373
>no mention of NIGGERS AND JEWS
>fun investigation

>> No.56937457

After reading this thread I’ve decided Cigna and Mara are buys

>> No.56937465

>>56937457
Don't forget SAVE

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>>56937465
Yea both save and coincidentally spirit aero systems too. But I think this is my favorite chart

>> No.56937537
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56937537

whats his endgame?

>> No.56937545

>>56937457
And not bitfarms, the fuck? These niggas spent a TON of $$$ to make more $$$
Take this with a grain of salt cause I have 80k in this shit but I'm not selling. Well selling 40k but still

>> No.56937554

>>56937545
I like bit digital and hut 8. They remind me of bitf

>> No.56937561
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56937561

i thought drudgereport was supposed to be "high iq" journalism

>> No.56937564

>>56937537
>whats his endgame?
easy
>Fed, I've covered my shorts, I'm ready for you to pump my bags.
>Fire up the printers!
... and soon ...
>DO IT ALREADY FFS!!!

>> No.56937586

>>56937537
He's a Jew, so raping and murdering gentile children

>> No.56937589
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56937589

r8 my pc setup smg

post ur set up

>> No.56937598
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>>56937589
me

>> No.56937610

>>56937589
how's Canada?

>> No.56937631
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56937631

No one believed him, and now they're forced to watch and learn.

>> No.56937640

>>56937589
>needing a pc
I trade using remote viewing and telepathy

>> No.56937642

>>56937610
shit, i make cad$100K yearly when i could be making us$100k yearly if i moved down south for the same job

i only cope because i dont have to pay taxes on my CAD$100K+ profit so far
i hate my job though i want to retire in 10 years so i hold cad$30k worth of a pennyscam that sells ai dashcams, ill wait for as long as i need to since their pe is 8 no significant debt so theyre profitable but their cashflow is mixed depending on quarter... so a bit worried regardless

>> No.56937677

>>56933771
>You didn’t need a tax ID number to get a Bank account?
I don't even remember being issued one. I live in Scandinavia as a NEET but recently turned my life around on a prospective path due to STEM education.

>> No.56937734

>>56937554
>bit digital
Chink scam
>hut 8
Woman CEO

You are warned.

>> No.56937743

>>56937561
Not since the mid 2010's. Guy got bought off or blackmailed or just went off the deep end.

>> No.56937766
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56937766

Iranian refineries are exploding and oil is doing jack shit

>> No.56937786

>>56937537
being a retard in the most public way possible.

>> No.56937795

>>56937766
Oyvey I wonder (((who))) did this?

>> No.56937798
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56937798

>>56933207
im short rig long kubota and the mexican peso. Fuck oilbros and inflation hedgooors.

>> No.56937800

I told you guys before, that all you have to do is buy calls on QQQ and you have an infinite money hack.

>> No.56937802

>>56937734
>Woman CEO
Fidelity too, and only because she's descendant from the founder.

>> No.56937821

>>56937786
he does seem to be losing it. wonder if hes mentally all there

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>japan up 2%

>> No.56937914
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56937914

The mentalities held, perpetuated and encouraged here tend to be very bad.

Verification not required.

>> No.56937923

>>56937857
What's the exchange rate?

>> No.56937977
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56937977

>divi vs no-divi autists at it again

>> No.56937978

techtroondex dragging the S&P down, DOW is green.

>> No.56937989

Looks like OIL will be ok.

>> No.56937996
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56937996

>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

https://youtu.be/zTuD8k3JvxQ?t=42

>> No.56938022

>>56937798
RIG? More like NIG

>> No.56938024

>>56937857
Unless Ueda hikes rates, its fucking over for japan.

>> No.56938031
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56938031

> futures

Bobros

>> No.56938047

>>56938024
They have to do something, their currency is falling again

>> No.56938058
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56938058

>>56938047
>>56938024
>japan tries to force their people to spend money by causing inflation
>finally succeed after 30 years of this bullshit
>"OH SHIT INFLATION HURTS, WE NEED TO FIX IT"
how long until this retarded boomer generation dies

>> No.56938062

I'm removing all of you anons from my friends list.

>> No.56938064

>>56938058
Just looking at how they reacted to everything for the last 40 years it's like a scam that was constructed. I wonder if Singapore and HK will follow suit. China already is.

>> No.56938068
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56938068

>>56938062

>> No.56938071

>>56937821
hes especially got nuts over oct 7 israel stuff. like he cant comprehend the goyim turning on him so hes had a meltdown.

>> No.56938080

>>56938058
The problem is that inflation would have made sense in 1993 but by 2023 the economy of japan has settled into a 'new normal' and inflation can only be bad for a country where people accepted low wages and cheap, little apartments the size of my closet as the norm.

>> No.56938081

Are dividend stocks good enough for retirement? How do I find the best one

>> No.56938085

>Oil
good
>Brapgas
lmao

>> No.56938088

>>56938047
>They have to do something, their currency is falling again
They shouldnt do anything until i buy all the figures i want. let it keep falling.

>> No.56938089

>>56938064
There's like a genetic predisposition to certain kinds of civilization cycles.
The Asians are doomed to lemming off cliffs. The muslims are doomed to like 2 generation long empires. The Africans can't even build anything.

>> No.56938091

>started new job
>lots of driving and traveling
>won't be able to check the market as frequently
Being a wagie is hell

>> No.56938097

>>56938085
Yep, every next day I am thankful I cut mine loose at 2.88.

>> No.56938109

>>56938089
That's so crazy. I was thinking recently how come Nigeria seems to have a glass ceiling. Same with South Africa. Some of those dudes in charge are actually really, really smart but they choose to do corruption to each other

>> No.56938116

>>56938091
yeah but you can buy more now and dont need to sweat volatility as much. id like a job right now too.

>> No.56938135

>>56938081
Yes
>how do I find the best ones
Google dividend achievers.

>> No.56938137

>>56933207
Did /biz/ increase the post limit this is still going to the top after 300 replies.

>> No.56938148

>>56938116
I'm just gonna dump a grand into VOO each month

>> No.56938153

new

bread

when

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56938154

>>56938137

>> No.56938158

>>56938137
What orders do you got cued up for Monday?

>> No.56938168

>>56937914
>Okay,
>Sell it all.

>> No.56938173
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56938173

>dividend aristocrats
https://www.nasdaq.com/stocks/investing-lists/dividend-aristocrats
>dividend achievers (10 year dividend increase history)
https://www.marketbeat.com/dividends/achievers/
>check dividend history, dividend growth history, payout ratio etc.
https://www.financecharts.com/
>dividend calendar
https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/dividends
>dividend growth calculator
https://dividendathlete.com/dividend-investing-
calculator/
>what are qualified dividends and how are they taxed
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/q/qualifieddividend.asp
>REITs
https://www.reit.com/what-reit
>power of dividend growth
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/04/072304.asp

>> No.56938192

>>56938158
Selling everything.

>> No.56938197

>>56938148
>VOO
Why be so boring? find something good to buy instead.

>> No.56938212

>>56938158
I’m gonna start this with soxl fr fr. Ten year plan

>> No.56938231

>>56938229
>>56938229
>>56938229
>>56938229

>> No.56938242

>>56938109
All they can do is form tribes that run back and forth over each other.
Even if you force them into European style countries they just form gangs and do that.

>> No.56938355

>>56937012
There are probably rental laws in your state that obligate a landlord to fix vital shit before a certain amount of time. A lot of the time they have to pay you for each day they don't have it done.

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>>56936559
Whats a price target for the next halvening? I want to buy buy 600$ seems expensive for a big entry.