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The thing that everyone expects never actually happens.

In 2022, everyone was expecting a recession next year, here we are in 2023 and there’s no sign of recession anywhere.

Everyone is now saying inflation is over and we need to worry about slashing rates so a recession can be avoided.

What will actually happen is inflation is going to come back full force. There’s never been a single time in history where inflation had a single impulse and just went back to normal. It’s going to rip back up next year as people look for higher wages to afford housing. It takes a long time for wage increase demands to permeate through the economy, many white collar workers are growing frustrated with their inability to own homes.

Take a look at what is happening in risk on markets like shitptocurrency and tech stocks, they’re roaring back, this generally precedes a massive wave of inflation.

Don’t say you weren’t warned.

>> No.56868893

>>56868875
So what you're saying is 150k bitfuck minimum this bull run

>> No.56868917

>>56868875
This happened during the 1970s inflation

>> No.56868920

>>56868875
>What will actually happen is inflation is going to come back full force. There’s never been a single time in history where inflation had a single impulse and just went back to normal. It’s going to rip back up next year as people look for higher wages to afford housing. It takes a long time for wage increase demands to permeate through the economy, many white collar workers are growing frustrated with their inability to own homes.
>>56868893
>So what you're saying is 150k bitfuck minimum this bull run
The US government CANNOT let the mcmansion market fail. They will cease USD from being a functional currency to fuck with zoomers still making it on crypto through gigachads riding liquidity.
I love the USA. FUCK THE INCUMBENT US GOVERNMENT. They will fucking break USD over their faggot knees to spank it because they think children suffering is sane or even shoot it in the fucking face and issue nuUSD, which would be the sane action except they print it ever dollar bill will have neille degrasse tysons fucking face on it instead of apollo 11 and the grand canyon.

>> No.56868931

>>56868875
correct.

>> No.56868952

>>56868875
I mean... You're not wrong. I'm raising my prices at least 20% next year because my business expenses are up and I also need to pay myself more to keep up with the cost of living increases. Minimum wage also goes up by a dollar this month in my state.

>> No.56868953

Reminder that ALL crypto is the product of American excellence, created by homegrown corn-fed American folks like Sergey Nazarov, Vitalik Buterin, and Satoshi Nakamoto. Type "USA" to say THANK YOU to the greatest country on God's Earth for bringing you these 1s and 0s.

USA!
USA!
USA!

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>>56868920
>>56868953
Imagine being proud of being a fucking am*rimutt LMAO
pathetic browns

>> No.56868981

>>56868953
>russian
>russian
>likely a brit, respectively
It’s over

>> No.56868992

>>56868969
Satoshi Nakamato was a USA PATRIOT

>> No.56868998

>>56868981
amerimutts BTFO
>>56868992
KYS MUTT
GTFO MY BOARD

>> No.56869008

>>56868875
>Everyone is now saying inflation is over and we need to worry about slashing rates
then how is it pricing a 80% chance of cuts before March?

>> No.56869011

>>56868875
>shitptocurrency
kek I am fucking rich and you are not
also buy noiseGPT
N.I.G.G.E.R.G.O.R.I.L.L.A.

>> No.56869028

>>56868875
i also think inflation is coming back, but not because of wage demands
i think the market is currently pricing in the federal reserve becoming the buyer of last resort for US treasuries in the near future
this will cause massive inflationary pressure

>> No.56869033

>>56869008
It would be a major policy mistake to cut. But will probably happen

>> No.56869167

guys I feel a huge inflationary impulse coming in my cock

>> No.56869222

>>56869167
I’m getting ready to goon out myself

>> No.56869237

>>56868875
Inflation is a given, what matters is how high it goes.

>> No.56869255

>>56868920
Keep dreaming its actually the silver Chad's that come out in top. 55 years a of market manipulators losing their power to suppress price.

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>>56868969
rent free Muhammad

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>>56869008
You have it backwards, the fed always reacts to what is happening, they don’t make thing a happen. The treasury is offloading tens of billions of bonds onto the market over the next 3 monthsflooding it with supply this will crush yields. The fed will then follow suit with its interest rates, fuelling the next gigapump of inflation
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2023/11/01/Treasury-Department-debt-bond-sales/3881698846115/

>> No.56869332

>>56869255
>Keep dreaming its actually the silver Chad's that come out in top. 55 years a of market manipulators losing their power to suppress price.
>let me buy another industrial mass producible item that can be taken out of the ground at any moment willingly especially when USA needs computer manfucaturing
Ok next opinion please

>> No.56869333

>>56868875
>tfw McDonalds is $16 per meal now without the app to sell my data to mr shekelberger.

>> No.56869347

>>56869318
Worth noting here too that the yield curve uninverting is the best historical indicator of a recession, so it either debt doom spiral, gigainflation or worse case scenario we get both, just depends how commie the gubment is feeling

>> No.56869412

>>56869318
>billions of bonds onto the market over the next 3 monthsflooding it with supply this will crush yields.
What about demand? They are having trouble selling this dogshit to retail investors and they've consistently been a big buyer.

>> No.56869442

>>56869332
Kek. Man I didn't realize mining was so easy.

>> No.56869500

>>56868875
we have been in a recession for years now you dumb Jewish faggots just keep changing the definition. There was a thread this week showing that 93% of Americans agree your dumb lying and 60% agree that Hamas should rape your women to death

>> No.56869519

>>56869412
True, not as easy to see how that plays out, trouble is at the moment there’s plenty of demand for the long term bonds and fuck all for short term. My best guess would be the fed fills in the gaps but I’m just a Norwegian dirt farmer so I wouldn’t say I’m an oracle. Plenty of different ways things could go but none of them are looking great

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>>56869442
We still have enough white minds to build this you stupid jew

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>>56869318
So we are going into a recession. The question is what will happen with the BTC price.

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>>56869222
>>56869167
Based and goonpilled

>> No.56869633

>>56869542
Yeah not sure, I think if we have a similar crash/liquidity crises followed by the fed going absolutely apeshit as we saw in 2020 it could be a similar type of move for bitcoin. Might go a bunch of other ways. I’m trying to stay nimble in this environment. Some bitcoin, some cash, no leverage. At least until things play out a little more and we can see where we’re going

>> No.56869637

>>56869167
cool I inflated ur mom's impulse

>> No.56869647

This is a 2 weeks chudpoor thread. PEASENTS!

>> No.56869656

>>56869333
checked

>> No.56869669

>>56869633
I am 100% cash in monetary funds and feeling like a retard. Even tho I get around 4% on internest, it is still so fucking frustrating seeing shit go up while I sit with dry powder for a correction that does not arrive.

>fed going absolutely apeshit as we saw in 2020

This was a very unique thing with the covid thing. The entire economy crashed. Would we have had that massive red dildo? perhaps not.

I am considering allocating 50% of my networth on MSTR, so I am in BTC without being blocked by my bank account when I try to move 6 figures into a shitcoin exchanger, and leave the rest on monetary funds, may a big crash happen, then go 100%. I feel like I have to take such a big bet at least once if I want to ever break out of the 6 figure hellhole while still young.

>> No.56869680

Face it; the days of getting "cheap" food at MCD's is long over. But considering the quality of it now going somewhere else seems wise anyway. You'll never again see a legit "dollar menu" where the offerings actually were bigger than a drink coaster.

>> No.56869687

>>56869669
Forgot to add, how about buying TLT or equivalents? if yields go down, then these long term funds of high quality index funds that consist on long duration bonds should go up.

So im thinking this:

-40% monetary funds/ultra short term bonds to keep profiting from the 4% while they still not lower rates
10% in TLT type funds to profit from the market pricing in rates going lower
60% MSTR to be already allocated to BTC because BTC does whatever the fuck it wants and it may slingshot to 100k before year end by all we know.

>> No.56869699

>>56868875
>In 2022, everyone was expecting a recession next year, here we are in 2023 and there’s no sign of recession anywhere.
Redditors are fucking idiots. We've literally BEEN in a recession

>> No.56869701

>>56869669
Events like 2020 are when you dump in a mega load of green, every spare dime you got. Look at the chart. Even with the market taking a dump over the inflation and,etc you'd still be up pretty good if you dumped in then.

>> No.56869705

>>56868875
>Take a look at what is happening in risk on markets like shitptocurrency and tech stocks, they’re roaring back, this generally precedes a massive wave of inflation.
Also you're a newfag. What we had was a bitch pump. If you experienced a bull market before you'd know this is baby shit

>> No.56869737

>>56869669
Yeah I have a similar dilemma, the hardest thing to do is often doing nothing. Cash will still be king when the economy hits the wall though. The main reason I still have quite a bit of bitcoin exposure is that it’s an election year and it’s remotely possible that the bums in office will pump the market preemptively. Whatever happens I’m ready to witness it. I love US clown show elections

>> No.56869753

>>56869612
this inflate my penis

>> No.56869818

>>56869699
>Redditors are fucking idiots. We've literally BEEN in a recession
>>56869737
>Cash will still be king when the economy hits the wall though.
These statements are both wrong aren't they? Won't USD be rugged for the average consumer while the fags in Congress run us into the ground so they can get to their pill bottles in the morning?

>> No.56869834

>>56868875
This is stupid.
Increasing mortgage costs will decrease disposable income.

>> No.56869843

>>56869318
Issuing more UST reduces price which increases yield.

>> No.56869850

>>56869818
The entire stock market is leveraged up to the hilt. When there’s a major downturnthey get margin called they don’t chase bitcoin to cover it, they sell anything they can at any price

>> No.56869858

>>56869850
Same for gold, will be liquidated for USD

>> No.56869883

>>56869008
80% chance something will break before March

>> No.56869890

>my bags are finally packed for the first time
LETS GO DADDY JEROME, PUMP MY BAGS. FUCK POORFAGS

>> No.56869896

>>56869843
Yes, I fucked up the wording on that, I meant the long end of the curve will increase in yield, while the short duration decreases, uninverting the curve. The fed will chase the short end. Again my understanding of this is fairly simple tho as I’m a humble dirt farmer posting while shutting in an outdoor toilet

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>>56868875

>In 2022, everyone was expecting a recession next year, here we are in 2023 and there’s no sign of recession anywhere.

No, they weren't. Are you totally ignorant of what MSM is saying?

>Everyone is now saying inflation is over and we need to worry about slashing rates so a recession can be avoided.

Those people are retarded and have never looked at a chart in their lives.

>What will actually happen is inflation is going to come back full force.

Cool, now give a detailed reasoning why, other than just being "le contrarian".

>Take a look at what is happening in risk on markets like shitptocurrency and tech stocks, they’re roaring back, this generally precedes a massive wave of inflation.

Just totally ignore that treasury note/bond yields are going down.

>Don’t say you weren’t warned.

You sound like a retard speaking in absolutes. You're not a genius and you're no smarter than anyone else. Go back to Rebbit you midwit faggot.

>> No.56870229

>>56869737
>I still have quite a bit of bitcoin exposure is that it’s an election year and it’s remotely possible that the bums in office will pump the market preemptively.
But isn't Bitcoin supposed to act as an hedge against recession by now? So if that is the case, and it also pumps during sp500 pumps, then it pumps on sp500 pumps, and pumps on recession? It always pumps?

>Cash will still be king when the economy hits the wall though.

But my monetary funds will start paying less as they lower rates, so I need another move.

Again, thoughts on TLT? If they lower rates, you get the gains from the increased price per share as yields go down.

With BTC, we got the pump scenario covered, and potentially also may act well during recession?

And with cash, we can buy more shit at cheaper prices.

This is why I think, im going to pick these 3 cards.

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>>56868875
>here we are in 2023 and there’s no sign of recession anywhere.
Your world is wall street don't you? A RE Agent? RE investor. You should swing by main street every once in awhile.

>it’s going to rip back up next year as people look for higher wages to afford housing.
This is delusional. People have been seeking higher wages all year and its still not growing fast enough.

>Take a look at what is happening in risk on markets like shitptocurrency and tech stocks,
Pull your head out of wall streets ass and look around.

It really is diffrint this time.

>> No.56870310

>>56870229
Yeah my rookie guess would be that TLT BTC and cash is a pretty good safe play, covers plenty more f scenarios and you have good optionality to do some slurping if everyone gets rekt. Bitcoin is a bit of a wild card, will likely perform very differently depending on what sort of recession we get. My base case would be that bitcoin goes down with everything else in a crash scenario and likely recovers quicker than anything else. In a long slow drawn out recession possibly it crabs lower but still outperforms stocks. Possibly performs badly if the gubment actually cuts spending and stops printing money but I don’t see that happening

>> No.56870447

>>56869850
>The entire stock market is leveraged up to the hilt. When there’s a major downturnthey get margin called they don’t chase bitcoin to cover it, they sell anything they can at any price
Yes but the US gov will just pump USD with the printer making USD worth less, why would you sell international currency crypto for a currency that needs serious fixing. Obviously in the macro it might take years for crypto to break free of USD, but I swear the people in charge DO NOT know what they are doing like really do not and crypto will have a stranglehold on USD while USD still has a stranglehold on the world, USD is barely holding down crypto these past few years as the lies come unraveled

>> No.56870452

>>56869542
If you are too dumb to see whats going on you deserve to be wrong.
The crash was frontrunned, hiking rates used to correlate with rising assets, this time its the opposite

>> No.56870554

>>56870447
Agreed. I’m just talking about keeping plenty of dollars for slurping and risk management

>> No.56871415

>>56868952
I had a restaurant that was fucking awesome. Smaller but made decent money and was the best place on the mountain. Everyone is eating less, drinking less, cheap and pissy.

>> No.56872136

>>56868875
so you are saying my bitcoins will go to $500k instead of 250k? based.

>> No.56872329

Yes, everyone (even soccer moms have crypto now) is going to get rich. There's nothing wrong with that picture.

>> No.56872758

>>56872329
Meh. Lots people had MSFT in the 90s.

>> No.56872810

>>56868875
>The thing that everyone expects never actually happens
>People therefore begin to believe that the opposite of what was anticipated will happen
>The universe pulls the rug out from under everyone and the opposite of that, i.e., the original thing, happens

Who tf knows anymore. The only certainty is that SPY is going under 200.

>> No.56872840

>>56870447
>international currency crypto for a currency that needs serious fixing
what if you want to buy a house?

>> No.56872854

>>56869542
>The question is what will happen with the BTC price.
3k.

>> No.56872944

>>56872329
all that should matter to you is that blackrock is handing you the easiest gains of your life just like tsla did when it painted all the way up into the SP500. the midwit in you is going to psyche urself out and think it cannot be this easy but guess what nigger it is. dumping a propped up anything onto 401k wageslaves is nothing new. btc could be 5 million and wageslaves still have to auto buy it. bow down to larry and name a blunt afer him.

>> No.56873018

>>56872329
they have peanuts though and most cashed out at every cycles end and bought back in hysterical mania


normies having $500 worth of crypto =/= them becoming rich

>> No.56873139

We are not in a recession unless CNN says so. Inflation is good because it means higher wages. Bidenomics is working.

>> No.56873300

>>56868875
Yes you're right. Bitcoin is the indicator for inflation. If it goes up in price it means non-holders are in for a tough time over the coming years.

>> No.56874155

>>56868920
Okay, but they need to keep pensions afloat, too.

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>>56868875
This all sounds oddly familiar

>> No.56874196

>>56869834
Unless politicians come in to "help the middle class" with free money to avoid a housing crash. I want all those retard who bought a house 2-3x its value during covid to crash hard and sell me their home for cents in the dollar. I dint think it will happen though.

>> No.56874961

>>56872840
>what if you want to buy a house?
Sell to USD which BTC looks like it's about to put on a strapon and fuck it raw because the fags in government spread their assholes too much and are diseased pusbags waiting to explode and spread their halo flood disease all over the white house so we have to put hazmat suits on and cleanse the poor abused buildings

>> No.56875548

lmao at beartards

>> No.56875849

>>56869008
discard those gambling odds by easy money addicted degenerates on withdrawal.
remember when the experts said that (positive) 2% yields would be unsustainable, therefore will never be reached?

>> No.56875880

>>56868875
>The thing that everyone expects never actually happens.
not only is this not true, even if it were true it would still be incredibly low IQ to expect the exact opposite of what everyone is expecting to happen, at every turn

>> No.56875905

>>56868992
Nakamoto is George Washington reincarnated