/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.56820114]

What should I do to make it within the next two cycles?
I don’t think I have enough to make it this cycle without too much risk

[Anonymous No.56820121]

you can still 10x if you play it right

[Anonymous No.56820147]

>>56820114
you have to risk it to get the biscuit

[Anonymous No.56820192]

>>56820121
>>56820147
what would you suggest? I was thinking
A) 75% BTC 25% ETH, then selling ETH for new cycle alts once btc breaks an ath. Selling btc mid 2025 and getting completely out of alts late 2025.
B) 50% BTC 30% ETH 20% KAS (swapping eth same strategy above)
C) 1 BTC, 10 ETH, 1000 AVAX, 200K KAS
D) 70% KAS and then 10% to three new cycle alts with some sort of narrative behind them like gamefi, rwa, ai etc)

[Anonymous No.56820236]

>>56820192
youre overthinking this, go all in BONK and make 9 figures in year/year and half

[Anonymous No.56820282]

>>56820192
Are you willing to put the whole 100k into crypto? If you want to 'make it', option D is your only choice. A, B, and C are fine, but you're not going to see BTC or ETH 10x next cycle, so you're probably not going to get to 7 figs. There's a CHANCE eth could go to 20k, but highly unlikely.

[Anonymous No.56820299]

>>56820114
just get LINK & AVAX and you will make it and thats all you really need.

[Anonymous No.56820318]

RSC new link dyor etc etc

[Anonymous No.56820343]

>>56820236
temping, but I'd be good with just 7 figures, maybe 10% of my folio into it
>>56820282
yep willing to put 100k in. Do you think KAS is a good idea for a majority portfolio? I'll dca across the next few months when there's dumps
>>56820299
hmm what's your price target on these? risky going into old cycle projects. LINK is very complicated and I'm better off with KAS over AVAX it would seem

[Anonymous No.56820346]

>>56820192
C)
But put the ETH into AVAX
BTC is enough to stabilize your portfolio and you really need the potential of Avax and KAS to multiply your gains

[Anonymous No.56820417]

>>56820346
That makes sense, thank you. How do you predict avax and kas performs through the bull?

[Anonymous No.56820484]

Lel after years I came all he way back and I just have 100k link now.

[Anonymous No.56820505]

>>56820114
100% in BITX like me

Then do nothing for a few years until you're a multimillionaire

[Anonymous No.56820545]

>>56820343
I wouldn't have a large cap as the majority of my portfolio if it was only worth 100k, but that's an unpopular opinion on biz. If your goal is to "make it" you won't get there with large caps. You have to be more risky, like the people who were loading tao at $40. Not shilling tao, that's just an example.

[Anonymous No.56820560]

>>56820192
>BTC
you had 10 months.

[Anonymous No.56820572]

>>56820114
The answer is staring you in the face

[Anonymous No.56820670]

>>56820114
dump it into a bitcoin hedge fund.

[Anonymous No.56820697]

>>56820114
Go into Bitcoin miners, like Marathon.
They hold 14,000 BTC and they also product 1,100 BTC per month, so they are a leveraged play on Bitcoin.

Last bullrun MARA did a 70x.
We expect it to do a 20x in 2024.

[Anonymous No.56820728]

>>56820545
what would you suggest instead as an example portfolio? I'm assuming distributing among some mid caps? like 4 new cycle mid caps with different hype narratives? I was thinking kas leans towards mid cap since it's not even on major exchanges

[Anonymous No.56820784]

>>56820697
Co-signed. MARA has been very good to me in 2023. Thinking of trading it instead of BTC.

OP to guarantee a 10X, you should move down the risk curve a bit:

MARA
SOL
INJ
RNDR
FET
...and maybe 1/2 low cap longshots like AIOZ/LCX

[Anonymous No.56820807]

Testing. Fuck nigger jannies and their cum guzzling hobby

[Anonymous No.56820819]

>>56820784
The best thing about a NASDAQ Bitcoin-mining stock like MARA is if you hold it in a retirement account, ALL of the gains are tax-free.
Explosive 2-3x leveraged Bitcoin capital appreciation that's sheltered from ANY tax.

Israel literally has no right to exist.

[Anonymous No.56820883]

besides the obvious btc and eth, im investing in IQT and sol, two strongs, one promising new and one q u e s t i o n a b l e always works for me

[Anonymous No.56820895]

>>56820883
the questionable one being sol is very funny

[Anonymous No.56820897]

>>56820895
the design is very human

[Anonymous No.56820904]

its cute how the bots havent found this thread yest and the few comments are genuine advice, miss these days

>>56820883
i was about to tell you to shut the fuck up but your image saved you

[Anonymous No.56820909]

KAS shill thread
really obvious and gay

[Anonymous No.56820910]

>>56820883
ok but he's saying he doesnt want to take risks, learn how to read

[Anonymous No.56820918]

>>56820697
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>56820883
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Anonymous No.56821383]

>>56820114
Buy IDOs and Presales these ones are the gold mine; there's Funarcade Presale to anticipate.

Funarcade just hit a staggering 200K volume in Epoch 2, in just 3 DAYS leaving Epoch 1's 150K in the dust!
The gaming fun is skyrocketing

Other mid and low-caps to buy as well.

[Anonymous No.56821998]

>>56820904
> the few comments are genuine advice
what would you say the best advice was? So far I'm thinking either
A) 1 BTC 2000 AVAX 200K KAS
B) 70% KAS and 10% to three new cycle alts

[Anonymous No.56822432]

>>56821998
>70% KAS
Please do not put all the eggs in one basket. Especially new ones that could get hacked/fall out of new regulation, etc. Your exchange could collapse, etc. Manage the risk- this shit is inherently volatile.

[Anonymous No.56822487]

>>56820114
Honest to fucking god just buy $100k worth of Bitcoin, today. You will have about $300k in a year. Then sell and do it again to get to about $1 million in 2028. Then buy a more diversified stock portfolio and real estate with that, praying you get a 2x to at least $2 million by like 2036. You will need to continue working a day job before and after this though. You're nowhere near even being able to think about quitting taht. And repeat. That honestly is your best (only) shot at anything resembling a comfortable retirement.

[Anonymous No.56822501]

>>56820343
>I'd be good with just 7 figures
Yeah that's what they all say. You wait until someone calls you a "single-digit millionaire" and then you'll feel it.

[Anonymous No.56823114]

go for mara. i already made over 25% gains in november alone.

[Anonymous No.56823975]

>>56820909
I don't have any ties to the project, just seems like a good gamble. I'd also be open to LINK and AVAX, but obviously there's less upside
>>56822432
what would be a better decision then? split four new alts equally and just holding through the bull?
>>56822487
pretty good plan. What would you recommend that's a bit more risk tolerant? I'm open to at least getting some alts. If not now, within btc hitting an ath to a bit before peak euphoria
>Yeah that's what they all say. You wait until someone calls you a "single-digit millionaire" and then you'll feel it.
All i want is to stop working, travel when I want, provide a comfy life to my family and enjoy my hobbies/find good causes to help. I can do that with 3M-9.9M. No need for 8 digits, I know when enough is enough. Won't tell anyone about being rich either.

[Anonymous No.56825051]

>>56820121
10x? Bro, why settle for crumbs when you got hidden gems like NAKA, QANX, and AZERO ready to hit that sweet 50-100x potential.

[Anonymous No.56825100]

all these retards in the thread settling for 2x’s and 5x’s

wagie inbred clubbed foot cyclop’s

[Anonymous No.56825166]

>>56820114
Get in on RAIL and ADA, this could be your best bet before the next cycle.

[Anonymous No.56825755]

>>56820192
It seems like you have very little conviction, anon. Are you just trying to pick random numbers on the roulette table?

The honest answer is just to buy ~3 bitcoin with your money. It’s not exciting, it’s not sexy, but it’s going to make you more than $30 million in 5-10 years. Most people don’t realize this, and chase higher beta cryptocurrencies to “catch up”. They will regret their decision in time. We all do after several cycles.

>t. 2016 anon

[Anonymous No.56825826]

>>56825755
Thanks for your input anon. I essentially have a few options in my investment thesis and I'm wondering the different pros and cons to them. I know some people that bought btc early, same with eth, link, shib, even pepe and retired early. I just don't see how I can't position myself to get lucky as well, especially as I'm on /biz/ daily year after year. Surely this should give me some edge.
The boomers I've talked to want me to wage until I'm 50s and just dump everything into ETFs. I just want to opt out of this whole system asap before it's too late to get out or I lose my comfy wfh job or my job becomes redundant or whatever in a decade.
>$30 million in 5-10 years
do you really think BTC will be worth $10M each in 5-10 years? not sure I read that correctly

[Anonymous No.56825828]

>>56825755
>he thinks Bitcoin will hit $10m in the next decade
I have exactly 3 BTC so I would be ecstatic if that were the case, but I would not hold my breath desu. Expecting bitcoin alone to reach $70 trillion market cap is more than a little outlandish at this point, but you know I will always hold on to that one full coin just in case the giga-bull scenario really does pan out

[Anonymous No.56825842]

>>56825828
are you holding anything else or just all in btc as well?

[Anonymous No.56825908]

>>56825842
I'm around 50% BTC, 30% ETH and 15% KAS. I hold a bit of FLUX and AVAX as well. I'm not here to shill anybody on any particular coin though. If you know you know, and dyor always

[Anonymous No.56825936]

>>56825908
Pretty solid folio. Any reason you don't just swap ETH for AVAX?

[Anonymous No.56825992]

>>56825936
>Any reason you don't just swap ETH for AVAX?
I've thought about it. The main reason is that BTC just needs to do another 3x and ETH just needs to reach its old ATH, for me to be propelled to millionaire status. I feel like this is basically guaranteed within the next few years. Altcoins like AVAX are more of a risk, but I do hold a small bag just in case. KAS used to only be like 1% of my portfolio, but I bought at 1c and over the past few months it's pumped to being my third largest stack. I believe it can hit $1 in the next bull so I'm not selling yet

[Anonymous No.56826008]

>>56823975
You sound like me at 23. Again
>That's what they all say.
If you want to be more risk tolerant, buy altcoins obviously and sell when Bitcoin peaks.
>When is that
I won't spoil it for you. It took me 7 years to learn how to time all this.

[Anonymous No.56826051]

>>56825992
Makes sense. If starting at $100k, would you still go with the same folio or go higher risk? At this point seems majority btc/eth is prob the best move. Not sure it's smart to buy KAS after it pumped so much either, but I could see $1 in 2025

[Anonymous No.56826055]

>>56825908
Based FLUX chad. YGMI bro :)

[Anonymous No.56826106]

>>56826051
If I was starting with $100k today... honestly? I'd be too much of a risk-averse pussy to put it all into crypto. I'm six figures deep into crypto because I started with a low 5-figure investment. I've always been too much of a pussy to go all in. I started out being 80% in stocks in real estate and I went into crypto a couple years ago to diversify. Looking back on it with the benefit of hindsit, it obviously would have been better to go all in crypto to begin with, but I prefer not to live in the past like that
>>56826055
Kek I didn't even think there was anyone else on /biz/ who knew about it. I'm fucking ready for this run

[Anonymous No.56826119]

>>56825826
Yes, I do. Maybe 15 years. But this isn’t some fantasy - it WILL happen as Bitcoin is mathematically moving against fiat currency. It’s the same phenomenon that gives the stock market an illusion of growth beyond productivity. When you truly understand the asset, you’ll find yourself piling in more and more of your portfolio.

Trust me, I chased many alts (some big winners, most big losers). The alpha here on biz is incredible, but in the framework of short term plays IMO. It’s much higher risk than you’re likely looking for. Bitcoin is as close to a guarantee as you can get.

Admittedly, I do hold about 7% of my portfolio in chainlink. Yes, it’s not a meme. Of any other asset in the crypto space, this one has piqued my interest. Understand how banks and institutions transfer value and realize that this company has poised itself to be the next Google-before-Google play. Much higher risk, which is why it’s a smaller allocation. Things like ETH or KAS are honestly a waste of your time.

>>56825828
That’s a solid stack of BTC and glad to hear your conviction is such that you will not sell. You will be handsomely rewarded for this self control. It seems like a wild projection, but I can tell you none of us thought Bitcoin would hit $20k when it had hit $1k. It seemed like a fantasy. So many people are predicting ~$100k-$300k top next cycle and that should tell you something… hint, it’s not going to underperform that expectation. All the “diminishing return” arguments are fud. Trust me, it will happen and rip to nearly a million in a matter of weeks and many swing traders who thought they could time the market or set a sell limit at “clearly overvalued territory” will rope.

Happy to discuss more with any anon who is curious. I am extremely passionate about what’s happening in this moment, history is being written. We are witnessing the Martin Luther / printing press moment where separation of money and state is inevitable.

[Anonymous No.56826160]

Im 80% kas, 10% Tao, and 10% in Qubic, Aleph, Pepe, Naka, Wojak

[Anonymous No.56826162]

>>56820114
You can aim for 2-3x first and then start selling. Rebuy when there is an eventual strong correction and repeat.

[Anonymous No.56826208]

>>56821998
A

[Anonymous No.56826212]

>>56826106
>If I was starting with $100k today... honestly? I'd be too much of a risk-averse pussy to put it all into crypto
hmm maybe you're right. I'll prob just stick with the safe stuff but go all in on crypto. I just don't see much opportunity in anything else at this point, especially considering the time toll.
>>56826119
wish you luck anon. I think you're correct. At 6 figures, it's just too much to blow on an alt. I'll just play the patient game. Can't imagine btc doesn't pay off in a decade. Alts could also pay off but 9/10 chance it fucks me somehow, whether it be losing my time, sanity, or down to 5 figs
>>56826162
with just btc?

[Anonymous No.56826236]

>>56826119
If BTC hits $200k-300k then I will sell one of them but I will hodl onto the other two for the benefit of my kids and grandchildren. I believe that BTC might "only" top out at 300k in the next cycle, but by the time I die (in the next 40-50 years) we will absolutely see the mega-bull scenario that you're talking about. Bitcoin is absolutely not going to disappear anytime soon, that much is for certain

[Anonymous No.56826296]

>>56826212
>>56826236
Wise anons. Godspeed and keep contributing quality conversation and questions and teachings to the community.

[Anonymous No.56826800]

>>56820114
nice copy pasta

[Anonymous No.56826854]

>>56820819
I see I'm not the only one.
I hold $MSTR as my Bitcoin proxy play in my Roth IRA.

[Anonymous No.56827068]

>>56820192
Why would ETH have just 25% stake in your bag as a blue-chip especially with all the opportunities for ETH staking we have in the space atm. Hearing that the yields for srETH will be around 10% and that's significantly higher than what Lido is offering atm. I love healthy competition.

[Anonymous No.56827171]

>>56827068
Do you mean to say stETH because that's the LST from Lido

[Anonymous No.56827324]

>>56827171
No I actually meant srETH; it's the LST product of StakingRewards and they'll be launching it for the first time on SpoolFi's V2 that supports LSDFi.

[Anonymous No.56827545]

>>56827324
How are they comfortable using a new product as their first choice in stepping into LSDFI?

[Anonymous No.56827585]

>>56826119
>it WILL happen as Bitcoin is mathematically moving against fiat currency.
yep, just keep waiting and in due time it will certainly reach $999999999999999999999 per btc, it is a mathematical inevitability, never mind the fact that another human being has to agree to pay that amount for an internet meme

[Anonymous No.56827616]

>>56827068
>>56827171
>>56827324
>>56827545
Kys pajeet

[Anonymous No.56827627]

>>56820697
Is it weird I'd rather bang #1?

[Anonymous No.56827719]

Straight into audius

[Anonymous No.56827735]

Btc is going to 100k best case scenario. Thats less than a 3x youre ngmi
Most people will die without ever seeing a million dollars in their bank account believe that

[Anonymous No.56827972]

>>56827545
They're also partners with RocketPool; users can already leverage on rETH on the ETH staking pools that have been created

[Anonymous No.56827998]

>>56827735
Oh wait whats that. Oh you dont think so. Despite the fact that 20k to 64k was weaker than 1000 to 20k. Really. Well guess you know better. Its going to 200k then.5x or so. Youre not good at arithmetic are you son.

[Anonymous No.56828041]

>>56825992
A lot of altcoin will surpass its ATH. It's just to know the right ones that will do well. I have picked up ETH, HILO, QANX and INJ so far and they are doing great.

[Anonymous No.56829444]

>>56820114
I'm not sure what you want to buy, but achieving a 10x return is possible with long-term holding. Try doing your own research on XTP and utilize the Tap service. They're expanding into the US market soon and I'm bullish.

[Anonymous No.56829471]

>>56827998
Did you just reply to yourself you schizophrenic retard?

[Anonymous No.56829490]

>>56829471
Yes cause i know thats what youre thinking.

[Anonymous No.56829518]

>>56820114
Have a bag of QANx jeet

[Anonymous No.56829786]

convert all of that shit to LINK

Bullrun will happen in the next year, sell the top

wait a year, buy the absolute bottom
wait another year and a half, then sell the top again

congratulations on your multiple millions

the catch = it will take another 5 years

[Anonymous No.56829812]

>>56829786
would you really go all in on LINK? How much more risky would you say it is than just BTC? Or at least going 50/50 with avax?

[Anonymous No.56829905]

>>56820560
It's still low. You're just going to get a 4x instead of a 8x.

[Anonymous No.56829940]

>>56829812
look, everyone tries to pair avax with link, in reality they are not comparable. nothing against avax, its fine, but its not anywhere on links level

compared to BTC link is like, 1% more risky. fud memes aside link is THE crypto bluechip now, its not going anywhere, it will skyrocket along BTC in the next run

[Anonymous No.56829985]

>>56829940
would you hold anything else but link if all you had was $100k? Is there any strategy you recommend to dump this in the market? I was thinking buying with $20k increments every dip for the next 5 months, then sending immediately to a ledger wallet to store until I sell peak bull

[Anonymous No.56830491]

This thread is a perfect example of how a legitimate question gets a few good answers, then eventually devolves into Jeet spam. It really gets tiring to deal with Jeets pushing shitcoins.

With that, OP, I would probably do something like:
- 50% BTC
- 25% LINK
- 25% riskier alt of your choice (KAS, AVAX, XRP, etc.)

The allocation for BTC is so high because you want to "make it" (I assume that means become a millionaire) in 2 cycles. You could probably play it safe and put even more into BTC. If you wanted to make it this cycle, I would allocate more LINK.

[Anonymous No.56830722]

>>56830491
Thank you anon. Do you think there's merit to just going something like 70% LINK 30% AVAX, or do you think pencils down BTC has to be 50% to not risk too much? From how I see it, crypto in general is a risk adverse asset class and btc is barely more safe than link at this point, but offers much less upside

[Anonymous No.56830734]

>>56830491
Thank you anon. Do you think there's merit to just going something like 70% LINK 30% AVAX, or do you think pencils down BTC has to be 50% to not risk too much? From how I see it, crypto in general is a risk tolerant asset class and btc is barely more safe than link at this point, but offers much less upside

[Anonymous No.56830820]

>>56820114
Going long with 50x leverage on BTC and ETH

[Anonymous No.56831005]

>>56830734
LINK is still far less stable than BTC. BTC has massive institutional backing and is the de-facto crypto for normies. LINK's value is based on adoption, which is NOT a guarantee (but it's definitely likely). My answer was based on your timelines. BTC will likely hit 150-200k this cycle with higher potential for the next cycle. If you can get in around 35k, you could hit a 8x with BTC over a long period of time with low risk.

Personally, this is not my plan. I am of the opinion that this cycle may be the last one to "make it" before massive adoption and legislation. I'm much heavier on alts, and have a lot of faith in LINK's widespread use within the next 2-4 years.

[Anonymous No.56831265]

>>56831005
Nice write up anon how high do you reckon link will go this cycle?

As for the op, I'd say
1 BTC
And the rest 70% link 30% Eth

[Anonymous No.56831291]

>>56831005
do you think the cyclical nature of crypto will stop? I feel like retail sees crypto as a 24/7 worldwide casino and at least for another decade there will be times people widely say fuck it try their luck for a year, lose more than they gained, hate crypto, then fomo back in a couple years when they see their friends and influencers are all talking about it again. As the middle class slowly vanishes, it seems people will try gambling to afford things even moreso

[Anonymous No.56831898]

>>56826160
No Qanx? Not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.56831914]

>>56820114
100% Avax will let you make it with this cycle. Just dont wait too long.

[Anonymous No.56831961]

>>56820114
Spend it all on only fans. That is the only way to make it.

[Anonymous No.56831991]

>>56831914
if you were buying in, how would you go about it? This is the only thing stopping me right now. I'm on Kraken and they're only accepting $10k every 7 days from my checking. Thinking either buying in $10k chunks every dip or $20k if they don't limit how much I can buy at a time. Might have to distribute my money with Coinbase just in case. Also, not quite sure if the exchanges act as banks that will ensure up to $250k. I don't want to lose my cash if they go bankrupt or get hacked somehow

[Anonymous No.56832125]

>>56829940
>he doesnt know

[Anonymous No.56832289]

>>56820114
Hyperpolyglot chains like Cartesi and Qanplatform should be one of major investments

[Anonymous No.56833997]

>>56831991
Tbh, you wont have much time to accumulate. The most important thing is to get your foot in the door, so that you dont miss out on big gains. Buy a bulk during a dip in the next week(s). Like 30-50ks worth. Ideally you should be look at lower-mid $10s Avax. You should have no problem buying on Kraken with a few tens of thousands. Exchanges are off course not insured, but crypto is so mainstream it has staying power. After you have bought keep it in a cold storage (offline) wallet like Ledger. Just remember to sell the top in the coming, 1-2 year. Maintain 40% of your cash as a backup unless you are so far ahead that you can only lose profit (i.e. when you have gone x10). Avax will do probably hit 230-400 dollar this cycle.

>t. Bought eth a single digits in 2015

[Anonymous No.56834078]

>>56820121
>>56820114
We are still in accumulation phase. You can easily 10x and get probably even more by 2025.

[Anonymous No.56834165]

>>56833997
>Maintain 40% of your cash as a backup
Thank you anon. What's the logic in maintaining this? just to buy up dips below my average in case it goes lower after the next few weeks?
Also, would you recommend diversifying with LINK? Seems like a popular combo on /biz/
>>56834078
what's your suggestion anon? So far seems 70% link 30% avax is what I'm willing to tolerate, especially since i can buy/sell through kraken/coinbase. Once btc hits an ath, I'll just throw $1k every paycheck into late pumping alts flipping to eth until I get out q4 2025

[Anonymous No.56835466]

>>56820114
All in BTC. If you feel like gambling, buy ICP and AVAX too.

[Anonymous No.56835624]

>>56820114
junior gold mining stocks