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56642313 No.56642313 [Reply] [Original]

90% of the world's problems would go away if we just had a hard money system where your savings aren't just being devalued all the time.

>> No.56642334

>>56642313
too bad we're going the other way, UBI with CBDCs, negative interest you have to spend it within a time limit.

>> No.56642385

>>56642313
the only theory-of-everything style fix for the worlds problems is massive depopulation.
so far we have found one habitable planet in the universe and the extreme majority of the human population on it are completely fucking worthless eaters

>> No.56642428

>>56642385
hello klaus

>>56642334
unfortunately

>> No.56642445

>>56642334
Just call a spade a spade. It's socialism. Don't fight it, it's bound to fail. Making it is just surviving the collapse.

>> No.56642461

>>56642445
socialism is working in Europe though
they live far better there than we do here

>> No.56642498

>>56642428
>hello klaus
he wants to enslave the planet to enrich himself and his crew, thats the opposite of fixing the worlds problems with less people.
and when i say what i said above im including all races, 95% of white people are the same lazy, midwit, low survival instinct genetic mush as the rest

>> No.56642513

>>56642313
>COVID hits
>government unable to helicopter money
>businesses shut down
>mass unemployment, logistics links broken, degradation, death
I mean, MAYBE it would be possible with high taxes but you're opposed to those as well

>> No.56642528

>>56642445
>its da sogalisms
brainwashed amerimutt golem monkey spotted

>> No.56642531

The entire infrastructure of humanity is designwd to keep you poor because if you weren’t there wouldn’t be enough resources for the “important” people. You get taxed on your pay to pay other taxes, you buy taxed groceries with your taxed income. Every system in place that could make you more money has rules in place to make you lose money. Gambling and investing both want to fuck you ocer but just enough of a win rate to get you hooked and when you do win you get taxed on that aswell

The timid man says to hell with risk I’ll just put it in savings but in most cases the interest is lower than inflation.


>But taxation is good it supports infrastructure and gives us health care and education
Just the bare minimum with the lowest possible quality possible so that we have to keep paying taxes

The only way to win is cheat as often as possible

>> No.56642565
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56642565

>>56642513
Or you know, maybe not shut down the whole economy over a bad cold? The ability to print money enables government retardation like that.

>> No.56642571

>>56642461
>socialism is working in Europe though
by what metric?
it used to work when europe was made up of nations of people who lived together for thousands of generations, developing shared identities and thus social cohesion, people cared about each other because there was personal protection in the greater collective wellbeing.
today people living in europe are cut and pasted npcs who could be picked up overnight and moved anywhere, seeing no change in their lifestyle whatsoever, its why so many of them are accepting of the unlimited niggers being shipped in as these new niggers simply fall into line with the rest of the herd and lead similarly vapid short sighted lifestyles.

>> No.56642600

>>56642461
lol

>> No.56642607

>>56642565
If you don't shut down the economy, more people die. The fiat system saves more lives.

>> No.56642612

bitcoin fixes this

>> No.56642623

>>56642313
put savings in bitcoin or other crypto you trust

problem solved

>> No.56642630

>>56642571
>by what metric?
they get 4-6 weeks of vacation and free healthcare. the average mutt can no longer afford a house or a car so it's basically equal footing in terms of being able to CONSOOOOOOOOM.

>> No.56642631

>>56642607
>>56642513
IN THESE UNCERTAIN TRYING TIMES DARK WINTER OF THE NEW NORMAL
AS CITIZENS (DECLARED OR UNDECLARED) OF THE GLOBAL VILLAGE MUST COME TOGETHER AS ONE, BUT APART, AND BUILD BACK BETTER WITH SOME NEW EXTENDED LENGTH TEMPORARY GLOBAL RULES TO KICK START THE 4TH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION...

>YOU WILL WEAR THE NWO PROVIDED IOT COCK CAGE FOR YOUR PROTECTION
>YOU WILL DRINK THE RECYCLED PISS
>YOU WILL EAT THE BUGGIES
>YOU WILL EAT THE CRICKET BURGER
>YOU WILL DRINK THE COCKROACH MILK
>YOU WILL EAT THE MAGGOT CHIPS
>YOU. WILL. EAT. THE. BUGS.
>YOU WILL TAKE THE MANDATORY VACCINE
>YOU WILL WEAR THE MASK WHILE EATING
>YOU WILL WEAR THE MASK WHILE SLEEPING
>YOU WILL STAY 6FT APART FROM OTHERS EXCEPT FOR DURING YOUR CORPORATION APPROVED BLM RALLIES
>YOU WILL NOT REMEMBER DR SUESS
>YOU WILL NOT QUESTION OUR SCIENCE
>YOU WILL KNELL WHEN THE GEORGE FLOYD ANTHEM PLAYS
>YOU WILL GIVE PUBERTY BLOCKERS TO YOUR CHILDREN
>YOU WILL ACCEPT CORPORATION SET UN MIGRANT QUOTAS
>YOU WILL SOCIALLY DISTANCE
>YOU WILL DESTROY DR SUESS
>YOU WILL CLAP FOR OUR BLM HEALTH HEROES
>YOU WILL OBEY THE CURFEW
>YOU WILL STOP SEEING YOUR LOVED ONES
>YOU WILL REPORT DISSENTERS
>YOU WILL GIVE UP YOUR PRIVACY AND FREEDOM
>YOU WILL USE NEWSPEAK
>YOU WILL EMBRACE MASS SURVELLIENCE FOR YOUR SAFETY
>YOU WILL TAKE THE VMAT2 GENE KILLING MARK OF THE BEAST "VACCINE"
>YOU WILL BE PLACED IN DEATH CAMPS IF YOU RESIST
>YOU WILL RENT YOUR CLOTHES
>YOU WILL LIVE IN POD HOMES WITH YOUR VAXPASS™
>YOU WILL NOT TRAVEL WITHOUT YOUR YOUR VAXPASS™
>YOU WILL EMBRACE THE CASHLESS SYSTEM
>YOU WILL HAVE PROPAGANDA BEAMED INTO YOUR MIND
>YOU WILL ONLY ACCEPT OUR VERSION OF HISTORY
>YOU WILL ONLY READ PRE APPROVED CONTENT
>YOU WILL ONLY HEAR PRE APPROVED CONTENT
>YOU WILL ONLY SEE PRE APPROVED CONTENT
>YOU WILL ONLY THINK PRE APPROVED CONTENT
>YOU WILL NOT DREAM UNAPPROVED CONTENT
>YOU WILL WORSHIP OUR NEW WORLD ORDER ELECTRONIC GOD DEMIURGE
>YOU WILL ACCEPT THE NEW NORMAL
>YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY

>> No.56642651

>>56642607
>morality
is a spook clouding your vision. Why do you care that some people will die of a cold that effectively only weeds out the extremely weak in society (that would otherwise have died if there weren't significant work put in by everyone else) who are a net drain?
Why would you destroy your own economy, hurting the many, to save the few?

>> No.56642732

>>56642651
>muh cold
What if we're not so lucky next time? At some point you have to agree that government needs more power to handle extreme cases like that.

>> No.56642751

>>56642461
>they live far better there than we do here
retard

>> No.56642778

>>56642732
>we should give the government power
they do NOT have your best interests at heart. Give them emergency powers and they will find a way to call anything a national emergency.
the government is not your friend, and even if the worst comes to worst, I'd rather let 2/3rds of the population die than live every day underneath tyranny; because if you give the government the power to enact it, its a matter of when, and not if.

>> No.56642806

>>56642778
>they do NOT have your best interests at heart
Depends on the government. Fiat is a dangerous tool, but if you put in enough checks and balances I think it's fine.

>> No.56642822

>>56642806
Fiat has never served the public well anywhere its been implemented though

>> No.56642889

>>56642822
All countries use fiat nowadays, and only small amount of completely retarded ones have had issues with overprinting. Most of them are able to keep a tight budget. Fiat != infinite gibs.

And US obviously is an exception, since they print shitton not because they're retarded but because it benefits them.

>> No.56642899

>>56642806
>but if you put in enough checks and balances I think it's fine.
until they ignore them and the courts take 12 years to go through the investigation process
t. canadian

>> No.56642920
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56642920

>>56642313
>a hard money system where your savings aren't just being devalued all the time
We did. Didn't work.

>> No.56642935

>>56642899
Skill issue. Make better, more transparent governments.

The reason why you like hard money so much is because you're autistic, so you want simple, idealistic answers to this complex and messy world we live in.

>> No.56642937

>>56642920
Shalom

>> No.56642992

>>56642935
>transparent governments.
jumbo shrimp

>> No.56643152

>>56642935
>you want simple, idealistic answers to this complex and messy world we live in.
>t. retard that said "Skill issue. Make better, more transparent governments." in the same post

>> No.56643771

>>56642313
Ok. Now build a government that can perpetually defend its continuity without relying on robbing its citizens. Its always gonna be a shitshow, and imo thats ok.

>> No.56643854

>>56642313
>nobody spends money
great job

>> No.56643866

>>56642385
The people who are actively working towards this goal consider you one of the worthless eaters as well

>> No.56644845

>>56643866
i consider myself one, ive added nothing to this world

>> No.56644889

>>56642920
>We did. But jews couldn’t manipulate it easily so it had to go.
Ftfy

>> No.56645019

>>56642461
>than we do here
4chan is hosted in Japan, where is "here"?

>> No.56645063

>>56642571
europe was one of the most violent continents on earth kek. the EU experiment is only 40 years old and like all of the west primarily benefitted boomers.

>> No.56645067

>>56642313
Nobody will get into that, we're corrupted to the core to think we depend on them, it happens even in the simplest of things, like people thinking they need telegram when there's beoble kek

>> No.56645072

>>56642528
Nice try. I'm a leaf. I'm watching it happen in real time.

>> No.56645076

>>56645067
Cuz telegram has a lot of nice functions

>> No.56645083

>>56642937
I'm gonna get very antisemitic, I advise you to go away

>> No.56645086

>>56645067
We sounds like multitude, faggot, I do not believe in your system

>> No.56645092

>>56645067
Ah yeah sure, everyone will change their preferred app to use yours, cope

>> No.56645095

>>56642461
>socialism is working in Europe though
not bad r8 this a solid 8 on the b8-ometer
have a (You) and expect at least 9 or 10 more

>> No.56645110

>>56645019
basedeu jappers

>> No.56645122

>>56642445
>Just call a spade a spade. It's socialism. Don't fight it, it's bound to fail. Making it is just surviving the collapse.
Its collectivism, not specifically socialism you brainlet retard.

Ultra-collectivism and over-socialization are some of the greatest evils of modern society. Ted Kacyznski was utterly right.

>> No.56645132

>>56642313

Hard money systems don't work because your society's rate of growth declines while elites hoard their money instead of pumping it back into the system. Meanwhile, another nation takes on a fiat system and for a period of time they can outgrow you and take you over until they eventually collapse.

We have not found anything better yet unfortunately.

>> No.56645137

>>56642313
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks, OP.

>> No.56645213
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56645213

Correct.

Money literally flows, monetary expansion causes money to flow almost exactly like electricity, it flows into liquid assets just as electrons flow into low resistance, or water flows into unobstructed channels. The wage/productivity divergence e.g. is caused by this phenomenon, as labor is an exceptionally illiquid asset. The same pattern is seen in other illiquid assets like housing, notice that high-end housing has seen a SHARPER decline (factored for money stock) than low-end housing, which is to be expected as high-end property is even less liquid than normie SFH. In contrast, liquid assets which have reached full capitalization exhibit a flat trajectory when factored for money stock (gold, broad market) while liquid assets that have yet to reach full capitalization exhibit upward trajectory after factoring (BTC, tech sector). The social decline always associated with monetary debasement is caused by this money flow phenomenon, as monetary expansion results in the ineffective parasitic net transfer of resources from income earners to oligarchs, or more broadly, parasitic resource transfer from illiquid asset holders (labor being exceptionally illiquid) to liquid asset holders.

This is not bad because it's 'unfair' this is bad because it's INEFFICIENT, Economy is naturally positive sum, but fiat allows the manipulation of Economy to favor zero and even negative sum economic transactions. Blasphemy! Economy will not abide -- "The market ahh finds a way" -- and a way it found.

BTC solves money by being transactionally easy hard money, BTC being the best liquidity sponge guarantees it's continued organic growth. Bitcoin is an inevitability.

>> No.56645249

>>56642513
>dumb faggot thinks the response to the coof was organic
QEi & CARES act were not in response to lockdowns, lockdowns were in response to QEi & CARES act.

>> No.56645273

>>56642920
Gold failed for transactional not economic reasons. BTC solves money by being transactionally easy hard money, BTC's Becoming is guaranteed by the systemic economic value gained by fiat's demise.

>> No.56645277

>>56642385
only because we enabled them to breed like roaches with welfare.

>> No.56645288

>>56645132
Of course they work. People in hard money systems, figuratively, play a game that involves two fundamentals:

1. Self sufficiency
2. Income generation

They grow veggies, manage a piece of forest and have a remote job. They continuously reinvest abundant resources into property development. They get a gun.

It's a different life.

>> No.56645292

>>56642935
>n-no don't build robust fault tolerant systems, build a brittle perfect utopia!

>> No.56645380

>>56645132
You're a retard. Money isn't resources, it's a unit of account, you don't gain more oil/lumber/steel/manhours when you print, you just pervert the distribution of existing resources and the market signals carried by prices, fucking up economic calculation. Oligarchs love this because it enables risk-free capital gains, but it should be self-evident that risk-free gains must definitionally be parasitic

>> No.56645423

>>56645132
I sure am glad that democracy has stopped those evil elites from instituting a hard money system that would only benefit them.

>> No.56645430

>>56645277
urabnisation and industrialisation caused it, the current limp and sickly semi conscious beings we see walking around are a new breed of humanoid never intended to exist at all.
every stage of "progress" just protected a new group who had previously been excluded from natural selection, the explosions in populations we have seen in every area of the world that industrialised have suffered from this.
post industrialisation, any person who could push a button or turn a wheel was suddenly as valuable as the next guy regardless of their potentials, with every medical advancement the sick were saved and left to breed, the most retarded were fed no matter their worth to the greater society.
the worst of the lot was probably the lightbulb that removed the cold, dark, silent nights of the old where there was no escaping your darkest thoughts, you had no choice but to face yourself and come to terms with whatever you found, flick on a light switch and youll never have to take that rite of passage.
the people you see in this world today were products of a factory, we're 7th generation zoo animals. today in actual zoos we see wild animals that are freshly caught and thrown in cages bash their heads against the wall until their dead or attack any human that goes near them, its almost impossible for them to breed naturally, those who survive the zoo are the most docile and readily accepting of eating from buckets, its the most dociles genes that are passed on and it only takes 3 generations for the old wild instincts to be gone forever.
the least accepting of this virtual reality from every human generation has been lost to madness, isolation, prison, wars etc. the most compliant move on.

>> No.56646088

>>56645132
Gold, silver and to a lesser extent copper were used as currency for thousands of years across all cultures. The crisis of the third century was partially caused by the silver content of the denarius falling to a fraction of what it once was. But I'm guessing you knew that Moshe.

>> No.56647290

>>56642313
henlo fren i saw'd u at da pond

>> No.56647715

just do some normie economic math and post it on researchhub already

>> No.56647864

>>56645292
>robust fault tolerant system
>can't handle a pandemic
baka

>> No.56647917

>>56642498
What makes you think you'd make it through the purge? On top of that, don't worry about it. The new stage of evolution is upon us and it's going through our birth rate like a hot knife through butter. No longer will physical factors determine who passes on their genes. Its not about who can survive the cold, or who has the better immune system anymore. We're past that. It's about who is stronger willed, stronger in the mind and the soul. Who can be disciplined enough to not fall prey to the mind viruses of transgenderism, nihilism, anti-natalism, and more. Who can avoid overindulgence to the point that they destroy their hormonal balances and become infertile or they fry their dopamine receptors so much that they kill themselves due to being able to experience joy or they destroy their attention span so they can't do anything or any of the other hundreds of mental bear traps that we unwittingly created for ourselves.

We have created a society that is the breeding ground for the ubermensch. It's not survival of the fittest anymore. It's survival of the wisest.

On the other hand, the massive drop in population is only going to effect civilised nations. So competency is going to drop massively and things are going to be rough for the next century at least. Enjoy.

>> No.56647923

>>56642313
>90% of the world's problems would go away
just get rid of 90% of the world's population

>> No.56649556

>>56642334
Wouldn't this backfire and people buy hard assets to circumvent this anyways?
>b-but they gonna ban gold and crypto
Pokemon cards still exist. Same with bottle caps. This would just cause even more people to transfer wealth into things that hold value if anything. People use and hold onto cash because its easy to leave in a bank account and not worry about it going anywhere.

>> No.56650974

>>56647864
Hard money handles pandemics fine, scamdemics don't happen under hard money

>> No.56650994

>>56645063
The EU benefits no one but a select elite
Normal boomers get the short end of the stick here as well

>> No.56651013

yes monero and metal

>> No.56651014

>>56642313
>a hard money system where your savings aren't just being devalued all the time
>money doesn't devalue
>people sit on their money instead of investing
>economy goes to shit
>>56642385
>>56644845
based

>> No.56651034

>>56642313
Maybe kings and lords had it not wrong by issueing a new currency every year or so

>> No.56651429

>>56642313
one country in europe back in the 30's and 40's did it but they were dragged into a war as it is putting a stick in the kike eye

>> No.56651657

>>56645213
Good commentary