/smg/ - STOCK MARKET GENERAL

[Anonymous No.56407251]

Jerome Edition

>Educational sites:
https://www.investopedia.com/
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain

>Charts:
https://www.tradingview.com
https://www.finscreener.com
https://www.koyfin.com/
https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com

>Live Streams:
https://www.newslive.com/american/cnbc.html
https://www.livestreamy.net/bloomberg/

>Screeners:
https://finviz.com/
https://www.tradingview.com/screener
https://etfdb.com/

>Options:
https://www.optionsplaybook.com/options-introduction/
https://www.optionsprofitcalculator.com
https://optionstrat.com/
https://www.optionistics.com/quotes/option-prices

>Pre-Market and Live data:
https://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures
https://finance.yahoo.com/

>Calendars:
https://www.marketwatch.com/economy-politics/calendar
https://www.earningswhispers.com/calendar
https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/interest-rates/countdown-to-fomc.html

>Boomer Investing 101:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started

>Misc:
https://tradingeconomics.com/
https://finance.yahoo.com/trending-tickers
https://market24hclock.com/
https://fintel.io/
https://www.dividendchannel.com/drip-returns-calculator
https://brokerchooser.com/

previous /smg/ >>56406056

[Anonymous No.56407267]

>>56407251
number go down tomorrow prepare ur buttholes

[Anonymous No.56407273]

>>56407251
>tesla
holy actual fuck baggies are you OK?

[Anonymous No.56407279]

>Set stop losses.
>Cut losers and underperformers.
>If you wouldn't buy it, don't hold it.
>If you're exposed to one industry, buy protective puts on the shittiest company in that industry.
>Size down *and* up so you can sleep at night.
>Most importantly, fuck jannies.

[Anonymous No.56407285]

Dividends are extremely relevant

[Anonymous No.56407294]

Inshallah, may John Sperzel get sepsis again if he doesn't sell this shitty company tommorow.

[Anonymous No.56407298]

>>56407273
When will it happen to NVDA?

[Anonymous No.56407303]

>>56407273
>10% today
Holy fuck. Is it time to unleash the pink wojaks?

[Anonymous No.56407312]

NO JUSTICE
NO PEACE
NO BPS INCREASE

[Anonymous No.56407318]

>>56407298
It will happen to the entire tech sector. It's just a bubble looking for a pin, and I think the market's found it

[Anonymous No.56407321]

>>56332612
>>56332612
>>56332729
>>56332729
>>/biz/thread/56332576#p56332612
I try so hard to make you money /smg/
You never, ever listen.
You should start listening.
>pic related
Buddy..
Buddy.. buddy.. buddy... I told you people not to get involved in that. I warned you about the bonds. You still never listen.

[Anonymous No.56407324]

>>56407273
don't gloat just yet. wait. $120 beckons.

[Anonymous No.56407330]

>>56407273
Amazin. Will it rebound or fall further from the tree?

[Anonymous No.56407332]

Oh my god, it's happening. No panic!

[Anonymous No.56407333]

>>56407273
does anyone even still hold TSLA?
Would've thought by now they all realized the play was to pump and dump onto passive S&P investors, and that's already long since passed.

[Anonymous No.56407339]

>be me
>work 2 jobs for 3 years and make tons a money
>get burnt out and quit one job. barely work the other one
>no motivation to work but do not have F U money to retire
I need advice anons. this is financial

[Anonymous No.56407340]

What are the chances the market follows the trajectory of this arrow?
>webm related.

[Anonymous No.56407342]

>>56407321
I have been short QQQ for about a week. A week before that I was short NVDA.

did YOU listen to ME when I told you to short QQQ and TLT, and buy gold and oil?

[Anonymous No.56407343]

>>56407321
So is it time to short now?

[Anonymous No.56407345]

/smg/, I made some hot cocoa and... you know... I'm actually NOT really feeling any better about the whole thing

[Anonymous No.56407351]

>>56407321
I have no idea who you are, but last time someone was spamming about how I never listen, they were shilling BOIL into a 70% decline. So why the fuck would I listen to what a random stranger tells me?

[Anonymous No.56407358]

>>56407345
well did you put a little rum in it?

[Anonymous No.56407360]

>>56407339
>he can’t work 10 ft jobs for 50 years

Lmao, pathetic

[Anonymous No.56407371]

>>56407358
No I only have vodka
I'd go buy rum but I CAN'T AFFORD IT

[Anonymous No.56407377]

>>56407371
i'd give you a little nip of mine anon

[Anonymous No.56407379]

>>56407321
What's the move now? I'm a blind follower so I'll be sure to listen

[Anonymous No.56407382]

>>56407285
Wouldn't you much rather have delicious, safe 5% coupon yields from your friendly neighborhood US treasury?

[Anonymous No.56407388]

>>56407377
Checked
But I only drink the absolute cheapest garbage

[Anonymous No.56407387]

>>56407340
>start investing during trump
>get anally gaped in 2018, 2020
>switch to democrats cuz no recession since carter
>get anally gaped

FUCK!!!!

[Anonymous No.56407397]

I think buying COIN is the play right now. Unironically.

[Anonymous No.56407409]

>>56407397
HUT > COIN

[Anonymous No.56407410]

>>56407345
>>56407371
> Day's Gain -3.96%
I might do a little cheap vodka and hot coco myself after today.

[Anonymous No.56407412]

>>56407371
I too am out of rum.

[Anonymous No.56407415]

>>56407409
anything bitty adjacent is good.

[Anonymous No.56407418]

>>56407345
>>56407410

[Anonymous No.56407421]

i would love a little cocoa with a nip of something tonight but it's still 72 degrees
how am i supposed to get my comfy spook on

[Anonymous No.56407423]

>>56407273
The market assumes TSLA is a proxy for Twatter and SpaceX. Watch TSLA go sub 100 if either of those companies go public

[Anonymous No.56407430]

>>56407418
Don't >> my own webms back at me....

[Anonymous No.56407431]

>>56407360
I guess it was my mistake for asking for serious advice on /smg
I have debated just trading and shit posting full time since I have about $250K but seen to many stories of people just losing it all.

[Anonymous No.56407432]

>>56407339
>advice
>If you know you know
>Error: Our system thinks your post is spam. Please reformat and try again.
>Verification not required.

[Anonymous No.56407436]

>>56407409
Do you want a play even spicier than HUT? Spicier than HUT calls?

BITW.

[Anonymous No.56407437]

>>56407382
No because the dividends I buy increase yield yearly

[Anonymous No.56407440]

Tfw might get a job at the federal reserve. I will survive at least bros.....

[Anonymous No.56407446]

>>56407387
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[Anonymous No.56407447]

>GBTC made new ytd high
It's only a matter of time until btc follows, 36k before eoy?

[Anonymous No.56407451]

I swear to God the faggots doing this shit will pay. OXY will hit 70 dollars and I will retire from my job next year. Suck my nuts.

[Anonymous No.56407452]

>>56407437
Then perhaps I can interest you in some delicious, positive real yield TIPS?

[Anonymous No.56407454]

>>56407431
I don't know what to tell you. If you don't want to work you'll have to get another sufficiently large income stream to stay afloat.
>I have debated just trading and shit posting full time since I have about $250K but seen to many stories of people just losing it all.
it's either that, internet poker, streaming, or selling feet pics on onlyfans

[Anonymous No.56407462]

>>56407371
Bacardi is actually serviceable decent rum

[Anonymous No.56407467]

>>56407431
>I have about $250K
250k is fuck all to work with unless you get really lucky.

[Anonymous No.56407475]

>>56407452
Shoo shop Yellen.

[Anonymous No.56407478]

>>56407447
I'm not looking at December 31st, I can tell you that much.

[Anonymous No.56407485]

>Less than two weeks until next rate hike.

[Anonymous No.56407490]

>>56407475
BUY THE FUCKING BONDS OR I'LL AUDIT YOUR VENMO! YOU WANT THAT, YOU FUCK?!

[Anonymous No.56407492]

>>56407294
>fucking with companies shilled by niggers

[Anonymous No.56407496]

When are we going to be bullish again? I'm sick of losing money.

[Anonymous No.56407497]

>>56407451
>Investing in the Occident
Lol. The animal is dead.

[Anonymous No.56407499]

Reminder that dividend stocks get the rope during high yield bond times

[Anonymous No.56407503]

>>56407431
You can live in Eastern Europe and prolly some places in Asia if you can earn 5-7% on 250k.

[Anonymous No.56407504]

>>56407490
YAMERO I KNEEL I WILL BUY THE BONDS FOR ISRAEL

[Anonymous No.56407505]

>>56407467
What would be the amount you would recommend?

[Anonymous No.56407510]

>>56407454
Or just work a fun job that pays living expenses and just compound that 250k.

[Anonymous No.56407511]

>>56407462
yeah it is.

[Anonymous No.56407519]

>>56407497
everything will be fine
I believe in it

[Anonymous No.56407521]

>>56407496
join us oil & gold KINGS and you may be bullish once more

[Anonymous No.56407523]

>>56407503
I have a house, a girlfriend who I am proposing to next month and a life here in America anon.

[Anonymous No.56407527]

>>56407496
September next year.

[Anonymous No.56407531]

>>56407496
Have you considered these fine selections on our menu? https://etfdb.com/etfs/inverse/equity/

[Anonymous No.56407536]

>>56407523
Did you put your house into a dakota trust anon?

[Anonymous No.56407537]

>>56407523
Well back to work then.

[Anonymous No.56407539]

>>56407332
dangit i can only edge for so long!

[Anonymous No.56407542]

>>56407523
Man I'm glad I didn't marry my ex. The *week* I lost my job she ran off and slept with someone else.

[Anonymous No.56407543]

>>56407451
You should have bought FANG and VNOM instead of some Buffett memeco.

[Anonymous No.56407545]

>>56407485
>Halloween FOMC
Spooky.

[Anonymous No.56407546]

>>56407505
Up to you and your lifestyle, you can get 6-8% easy if you know a bit, a lot of us are 10% or more but your have to get a bit lucky and time the market properly.

[Anonymous No.56407547]

"i am become poverty. The destroyer of wealth"

[Anonymous No.56407552]

>>56407499
checked
>If you were THIS
>waiting for THIS
>a sign IS IT

[Anonymous No.56407554]

>>56407542
truly reality is stranger than fiction

[Anonymous No.56407555]

>>56407539
I wonder if Yellen is doing more or fewer shrooms now.

[Anonymous No.56407557]

>>56407547
I DON'T KNOW HOW HE KEEPS GETTING AWAY WITH IT

[Anonymous No.56407560]

The fed won't hike. They won't hike even at the end of this year. Biden talk today will drive yields past 5% for the 10yr tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.56407561]

>>56407539
30Y taking a breather

it's over, Yellen won...

[Anonymous No.56407565]

>>56407547
Interest rates should be counted as inflationary so jpow can't hike

[Anonymous No.56407566]

>>56407546
>a lot of us are 10% or more
Pretty sure most smiggers are -99%.

[Anonymous No.56407568]

>>56407552
Don't dead open inside.

[Anonymous No.56407576]

>>56407536
Is that like a rabbi trust?

[Anonymous No.56407582]

>>56407536
irrevocable trust, same thing with my IRA's and Brokerage account
>>56407537
gains goblins fr fr
>>56407542
Sounds like a whore, my gf knows she and her entire family would go missing if she did something like that.
>>56407546
I am up 33%+ this year.

[Anonymous No.56407594]

>>56407566
If it weren't for my 0dtes I'd probably be doing ok.
Gambling is like buying hope the same way alcohol is like buying happiness.

[Anonymous No.56407596]

Based HOOD doling out an early interest payment after a pretty down day.

[Anonymous No.56407602]

>>56407547
I told you niggers you would all eventually hate Jerome. That fucker is going to bring us into a great depression because he keeps wanting to soften the blow when he is just prolonging the inevitable. At this point let the baby have its medicine.

[Anonymous No.56407603]

>>56407560
True. No more hikes, but he will hold.

[Anonymous No.56407609]

>>56407566
I like to give them the benefit of the doubt

[Anonymous No.56407620]

>>56407594
>0dtes
If you play with these options idk where you find the courage or is it just pure stupidity...

[Anonymous No.56407622]

>>56407547
I love this guy. He has kept true to his word about higher for longer. I remember back when everybody was saying the Fed would have to pivot once 2% FFR was hit lol.

[Anonymous No.56407633]

>>56407594
I just buy MGK VUG VOO and hedge when RSI gets over 70 on spy

[Anonymous No.56407638]

>>56407620
I did one for fun/as a joke and then got upset that I lost money so I did more today.

[Anonymous No.56407641]

>>56407622
They couldn't have been more wrong but this what Jerome is doing is going to lead in a debt trap spiral.

[Anonymous No.56407645]

>>56407566
After this convo I think 99% of smg are less than $1k account robinhood retards.

[Anonymous No.56407648]

>>56407641
that fate was sealed ever since the GFC bailout and ZIRP. And you know what, I'll take it any day over hyperinflation.

[Anonymous No.56407649]

>>56407645
I have over 50k in an Etrade account tyvm.

[Anonymous No.56407656]

>>56407499
>>56407552
>>56407568

[Anonymous No.56407657]

>>56407645
That's just rude.

[Anonymous No.56407665]

>>56407638
Ahh... Revenge trading, great way to "recoup losses".

[Anonymous No.56407671]

>>56407665
It's scary how easy it is to get sucked into that. I think I'm just going to buy bonds for a while.

[Anonymous No.56407676]

>>56407648
Hyperinflation is still coming though. It's just being prolonged. Literally we need an intervention on governments everywhere and have them literally take any dime that isn't being put into self maintenance into paying off the debt. Soon the interest on national debt won't be payable and then every country will be in hell mode.

[Anonymous No.56407678]

Can we have another pump or a few more? I want to short again. I don't want a fast crash, a slow bleed over the next months is fine with me.

[Anonymous No.56407680]

>>56407298
when they stop selling 3x their usual revenue in ai chips

[Anonymous No.56407683]

>>56407671
Embrace apathy when it comes to the market. Bonds seem decent now.

[Anonymous No.56407687]

>>56407676
I don't think we'll necessarily get hyperinflation. I think we'll see monetary debasement and sustained high inflation a la the 70's though. Material realities are such that commodities will simply lead the charge.

[Anonymous No.56407689]

>>56407576
Essentially. Only time your assets can be touched is as result of criminal actions (kinda scary but...dakota trusts have some methods) like they automatically close any investigation/requests within 14/30 days which gives prosecutors/state little time to try and investigate your assets.

[Anonymous No.56407697]

>NDVA AH

[Anonymous No.56407703]

So what oil company should I buy to be ok regardless of whether anything interesting does or does not happen.

[Anonymous No.56407718]

>>56407703
XOM, CVX or CNQ, simply can't go wrong with either of those. Personally I'm also a big fan of ARX but that's more of a natty producer.

[Anonymous No.56407721]

>>56407452
Then the starting yield isn’t as attractive

[Anonymous No.56407732]

>>56407687
You unironically there are youtubers showing the change in price for everyday goods and it's obviously here to some degree already. I'm talking more than 50% price increases on some basic items from just last year. It's dead obvious the government is just lying when it comes to their calculations of price increases because the reality is becoming more glaringly apparent. To some degree I'd argue hyperinflation is already here. We just have price controls on a few fixed commodities like oil and gas.

[Anonymous No.56407737]

>>56407452
"Real." Isn't their consistent arbitrage in the spread if you believe CPI is accurate?

[Anonymous No.56407745]

>>56407732
>you know
Fixed

What I'm trying to say is that they always announce a crises when it's too late. Like recessions in general. We already knew we were in a recession and they are just know getting ready to say we are.

[Anonymous No.56407746]

>>56407732
I'm pretty sure we're actually teetering on the edge of deflation right now. If you ignore anything with any kind of manufacturing value add prices seem to be going down.

[Anonymous No.56407748]

>>56407703
For me, it's OKE

[Anonymous No.56407754]

>>56407697
only 1% down?

[Anonymous No.56407757]

>>56407746
>I'm pretty sure we're actually teetering on the edge of deflation right now.
lol
>>56407748
OKE is fartgas

[Anonymous No.56407758]

Ok you oil fags if you’re wrong I will personally make sure 4chan is destroyed.

[Anonymous No.56407759]

>>56407746
I don't know about that. I have yet to really see any serious deflation happening or price decreases.

[Anonymous No.56407768]

>>56407732
>>56407746
Kek the system is so unstable that without FED liquidity for a year or two the whole shit implodes and you get 1930s deflation. but if they start QE again you're going to pay double for everything in a year of two.

[Anonymous No.56407766]

>Bears have no actual thesis
>Muh bond yields isn't actually a thesis when yields are being manipulated by foreign governments
>US debt has never been a thesis
>Israel vs Palestine has never been a thesis
>US consumer credit has never been a thesis
>Rate hikes no longer a thesis
>Inflation no longer a thesis
>Ukraine no longer a thesis
I tired of you faggots shitting up every thread for over a year. You actually had arguments when the Fed was actively tightening and things were more up in the air, now we've been back to regularly scheduled programming for over ten months. Funny how no one points out that retail is overwhelmingly bearish and keeps shorting every headline. Bunch of short sighted retards.

[Anonymous No.56407769]

something i realized is the lag effect on the economy. what im referring to specifically is oil. oil went down to ~$84/barrel, we're just now getting cheap gas (at least i am, currently $3.10/gallon). so within a few weeks gas prices will start climbing again

[Anonymous No.56407773]

BOIL>OIL
Verification not required.

[Anonymous No.56407776]

>>56407757
Labor prices: down
Produce prices: down
Housing prices: down
It's all gowing down. But stuff like bread, fast food, new cars etc are all getting more expensive.
What's really bad is real wages are probably going down (even inflation/deflation adjusted) so it will still feel like prices are going up to people who switch jobs.

[Anonymous No.56407777]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

[Anonymous No.56407779]

>>56407758
oof oomphie

[Anonymous No.56407783]

>>56407732
>>56407745
I'm well aware of the incredibly high inflation of the past few years but that's still not "hyperinflation", just very steep inflation. Hyperinflation would imply high and growing inflation, but we've actually begun to see some disinflation in goods. Services are still inflating moderately above expectations though which is why I think there may still be room for one rate hike.

[Anonymous No.56407786]

>>56407759
It's definitely not serious yet, you have to look for it to see it. That's why I say "teetering on the edge." We're not there yet.
>>56407768
Yeah they're really out of room to maneuver. Who knows what will happen next year desu.

[Anonymous No.56407788]

>futures

[Anonymous No.56407791]

>>56407321
you just go off Bollinger Bands?

[Anonymous No.56407794]

>>56407758
just don't sell the second you experience some volatility. And welcome aboard.

[Anonymous No.56407795]

>>56407339
>>56407431
Anon, this is real advice. With the money you have buy a rental property (duplex, fourplex, etc.) and/or a business (car wash, laundry matt, etc.) so you can be your own boss and have semi-passive income regardless of what happens to yourself or the economy.

>I have debated just trading and shit posting full time since I have about $250K but seen to many stories of people just losing it all.
99% of traders cannot beat a basic bitch ETF. People here posting their 400% gain days never post when they ate a complete dick. If you want to want to fuck with stocks then take the boglepill.

[Anonymous No.56407799]

>>56407783
Yeah but even the way they calculate inflation has been changed to downplay just how dramatic inflation really has been.

[Anonymous No.56407801]

>>56407758
$113 seems a bit high. You're definitely going to see some bumpiness.

[Anonymous No.56407802]

>>56407703
XOM and CVX's balance sheets both look solid. They can survive some bad times.

[Anonymous No.56407803]

>>56407786
>Who knows what will happen next year desu.
We can only guess.. My guess is they overtighten then they get to loose as per usual.

[Anonymous No.56407808]

>>56407776
>>56407732
Anecdotally, my grocery prices have fallen drastically since last year. Tons of stuff "on sale" all the time, BOGO deals, 3 for 1 deals, affordable meat, etc etc. No more $8 butter and eggs. If people just look at the ready-made, processed shit and say "IT'S SO EXPENSIVE" then they deserve the pain - the raw materials to make bread haven't skyrocketed, if you aren't a lazy faggot you could make like 10 loaves of bread for the price of a bag of flour.

>>56407786
Why are you such an alarmist faggot?

>>56407795
>Just be a landlord bro!
Lmfao get the fuck out of here!

>>56407799
>Is it inflation
>or is it price gouging?

[Anonymous No.56407809]

>>56407801
When I buy I buy or I’ll never buy
That’s how I do

[Anonymous No.56407812]

>>56407799
that's true and there are revisions made in post which muddies the waters. Overall though there clearly is disinflation. I can personally even see some of it in my daily purchases here in Yuroland. Chicken, which I eat a lot, is down quite a bit from a year or two ago. Still above pre-coof obviously though.

[Anonymous No.56407813]

MOVE CLOSER TO YOUR WORLD MY FRIEND
TAKE A LITTLE OF TIME
MOVE CLOSER TO YOUR WORLD MY FRIEND
AND YOU'LL SEE

https://youtu.be/BFJ2yoTsBds

[Anonymous No.56407814]

>>56407799
I think if it were as extreme as people make it out to be the TIPS spread would be worse. They've definitely screwed around with it but that probably only accounts for 1-2%.
The real flaw is the idea of measuring inflation "as the consumer experiences it" with a basket of goods. It's broken fundamentally, not so much in execution.

[Anonymous No.56407815]

>>56407546
>>Up to you and your lifestyle, you can get 6-8% easy if you know a bit, a lot of us are 10% or more but your have to get a bit lucky and time the market properly.
Lol, are the best traders of the world located in /smg/?

>>56407467
>250k is fuck all to work with unless you get really lucky.
LOL, what fucking crack are you smoking? He is better off than 99% of the country (and most of the world). If he has no debt then he is truly free.

[Anonymous No.56407817]

>>56407732
Good point. Official statistics regarding inflation are irrevelevant.
Its autistic to treat them as anyhting else than propaganda. And then wonder why interest rates keep rising.

[Anonymous No.56407819]

>>56407776
Those are indicators we're just heading towards stagflation. Its going to get much, much worse.

[Anonymous No.56407824]

>>56407808
>Lmfao get the fuck out of here!
And why the fuck not? Also why did you ignore my other advice about buying a business?

[Anonymous No.56407828]

>>56407817
they're not irrelevant. Goods have cooled down but services inflation remains hot which is why Jay-Pow is still being hawkish and fearful of inflation. Follow Wolfstreet, he breaks down the data very nicely

[Anonymous No.56407829]

>>56407808
>No more $8 butter and eggs. If people just look at the ready-made, processed shit and say "IT'S SO EXPENSIVE"
Yeah this has been my experience as well. I went to Wegman's the other week to try it out and a lot of even their unprocessed stuff seemed to have a 2-10x markup on a lot of the stuff at Aldi. There's a serious "advertising spread" in some of this in addition to the extra cost of manufacturing value add.

[Anonymous No.56407832]

Is now a good time to short soxl?

[Anonymous No.56407835]

>>56407828
>they're not irrelevant
They are since they dont reflect reality
Peter Schiff has proven this years ago

[Anonymous No.56407837]

>>56407815
>Tell me you're in 5 fig without showing me you're in 5 fig hell.
lol

[Anonymous No.56407841]

>>56407832
Bro fuck you. You should have shorted it when it was above 20

[Anonymous No.56407843]

>>56407746
Call me crazy, but I'm getting so many sale emails I think you actually might be right.

[Anonymous No.56407844]

>>56407795
>take the boglepill.
Thats unironically what I do and I am up 33% this year.
becoming a landlord with mortgage rates being 8% and prices still way high does not seem like a good option.

[Anonymous No.56407845]

>>56407835
They're the best we have, and they're close enough to provide some meaningful context to where inflation is headed. If you're wondering why the Fed is still hawkish it's because services inflation is still hot

[Anonymous No.56407848]

>>56407819
Yeah deflation isn't a good thing in a debt driven economy.

[Anonymous No.56407854]

>>56407848
It's good if you have cash under the mattress.

[Anonymous No.56407855]

>>56407815
>best traders of the world
I'm a barely passable trader and was over 11% till today. I just started this year so this is my all time figure too.

[Anonymous No.56407857]

>>56407809
I know what you mean. You always have to balance "expensive" against "but it might get even worse."

[Anonymous No.56407860]

>>56407854
Oh yeah for the 10% or so of us with absolutely no debt it's pretty awesome. But we do have to live in the same country that will deteriorate from the effect.

[Anonymous No.56407859]

>>56407848
there's no such thing as "debt-driven" anything. all economies are supply-driven.
deflation, and a recession, are the cure.

[Anonymous No.56407862]

>>56407848
It's really good if you don't have any debt. Lots of cheapies.

[Anonymous No.56407866]

>>56407815
I have a mortgage at 3% but other than that no debt. I can live off of $3k a month so roughly 12% returns on my current portfolio. So I guess I need to keep stacking until $500k

[Anonymous No.56407867]

>>56407808
>>56407829
>groceries
this reflects the inflation data pretty well. Goods have cooled down and disinflated a bunch, but services inflation is still rising faster than projected.

[Anonymous No.56407868]

>>56407824
Because being a landlord is parasite bullshit. Speculating on something 99% of people consider a necessity makes you a humongous asshole.

>>56407829
Yeah isn't it amazing how the average consumer just doesn't pay attention to this stuff and then cries about inflation? The groceries in Wal Mart come off the same fucking truck as the ones in the more expensive stores down the road but somehow the prices are 30% lower, makes ya think

>>56407832
Seriously? Why? What material reason would anyone have to short semiconductors right now?

[Anonymous No.56407871]

>>56407867
I think my favorite statistic from the last monthly CPI report was that bread rose at twice the rate of flower.
Everything someone's hands touch is getting more expensive.

[Anonymous No.56407874]

>>56407812
That would be deflation as the price goes down, disinflation would be inflation but at slower pace.

[Anonymous No.56407876]

Another day. Figuring up how much my pension will be jacked once the new pay hikes are effective by 2025. Nice 9.98% Debating on if I'll also jack my 401k contributions 10% to match. I mean hell I don't need to. As it is the 401k money will outlast me (I gotta live to 115 before it runs out). But then again that 10% extra a month won't kill me either.

[Anonymous No.56407880]

>>56407871
>Everything a corporate middleman has the ability to place a higher price on is getting more expensive
ftfy

[Anonymous No.56407883]

>>56407871
makes sense considering everybody and their dog was demanding pay raises while inflation ran rampant. This will eventually lead into layoffs, probably.

[Anonymous No.56407885]

>>56407855
Bro, passive VOO is up 14%

[Anonymous No.56407886]

>>56407868
>What material reason would anyone have to short semiconductors right now
To make money?

[Anonymous No.56407894]

>>56407855
Good now get the same results for a decade or two.

[Anonymous No.56407896]

>>56407885
Yeah but I didn't get started till Spring of this year so it has a few months on me. I'm more than double the S&P spanning the exact timeframe I've been trading.

[Anonymous No.56407897]

>>56407880
>>56407883
heh.
People are socializing less because they get less value out of socializing (whether it's buying,selling, employing, being employed etc.) That's the fundamental problem. People see their side and blame the other side but there's a much deeper problem here.

[Anonymous No.56407901]

>>56407809
Even if share price goes down they still pay a monster dividend. Either use that dividend to lower your cost basis and pocket the money or reinvest it into more shares. Might as well pretend you lost that money buying daily options and let it ride.

[Anonymous No.56407904]

>>56407897
Could you elaborate what you mean? This is an interesting perspective I haven't thought about.

[Anonymous No.56407915]

>>56407894
aight

[Anonymous No.56407920]

>>56407901
>monster dividend.
>3.22% yield

[Anonymous No.56407921]

>>56407333
No one holds it, nope, nobody. The cult just disappeared overnight, mmmhmm.

[Anonymous No.56407922]

>>56407904
In other words everyone is hoarding. It's not just asset hoarding but a kind of "labor hoarding" to go with it where the return on being hired or hiring doesn't justify the cost and you're better off either going without or doing things yourself.

[Anonymous No.56407924]

>>56407915
Seems easy when you say it. Keep me posted in 2033 if we're alive.

[Anonymous No.56407926]

>>56407901
Oil is really a 1-2 year play the way things are shaping up. Plenty of time for profits to get into your bank account even if you bought at a local high.

[Anonymous No.56407930]

>>56407387
Covid, stupid.

[Anonymous No.56407934]

>>56407886
So instead of making money simply by investing in a profitable, in-demand sector, you would rather being a cynical short sighted retard bandwagoner? This is the mindset that keeps the market from moving forward

>>56407897
>>56407904
>>56407922
>People are socializing less
Disagree, I work in the entertainment industry and people have never spent more on concert tickets and band merch and VIP meet-and-greets etc. I work sold out shows all the time and I'm not even in a major entertainment hub.

[Anonymous No.56407937]

>>56407920
Isn't it incredible how the last couple of years have absolutely obliterated the sense for what a large yield is?

[Anonymous No.56407939]

>>56407342
I'm long TLT.. Why are you short?

[Anonymous No.56407944]

>>56407746
Recession = deflation so yes.

[Anonymous No.56407945]

>>56407920
Monster to me I guess. I like to start small and let dividend growth and time do all of the heavy lifting.

[Anonymous No.56407950]

>>56407922
Do you mean the "bid" and "ask" spread between laborers and employers is too big and that disincentivizes employment in general? The way I see it is that consumers are beginning to show cracks due to record low savings and increasing credit burdens. I think the US labor statistics imply that more and more people are working part time (working two jobs? Or bosses cutting employees to a minimum? Both?)

[Anonymous No.56407955]

>>56407934
I think you truly convinced him to not short anymore

[Anonymous No.56407958]

>>56407939
Simple. Bond market continues selling off without an end in sight so far. TLT chart's bottom has fallen off and it's in perpetual falling knife mode. I don't see any evidence of strength returning to the bond market right now.

[Anonymous No.56407960]

>>56407950
Yes. It's not surprising the ask side is coming down, that was bound to happen. I don't think it will come down enough to solve our problem though.

[Anonymous No.56407962]

>>56407921
I don't see much vocal TSLA pumping in random interactions any more. Still see plenty for NVDA.
Obviously someone still holds all the shares, but it truly feels like a lot of the float has been successfully dumped into various passive/indirect funds.

[Anonymous No.56407965]

>>56407766
and the bull thesis?

[Anonymous No.56407968]

>>56407958
We live in such retarded times

[Anonymous No.56407980]

>>56407965
Everything is fine
You all are being hyperbolic

[Anonymous No.56407981]

>>56407924
By then I will have had a single share of BOIL go to $15,000,000 USD some random mornin'.

[Anonymous No.56407986]

>>56407766
Respect
The
Lag.
Powell even talked about it today. They're not pausing because they think they're done, they're pausing because they know there's a 1-2 year lag between the hike and the effect.

[Anonymous No.56407998]

>>56407758
Lol bought 200 shares 105, sold 110, easiest grand of my life.

[Anonymous No.56408010]

it feels like the lows for the s&p 500 might be in.

[Anonymous No.56408016]

>>56407945
>dividend growth
oh, you're the divvy growth retard.
Well, if you want to buy into a 3.2% yield that's grown 4.5% larger over the past 5 years, be my guest. Meanwhile I hope you're aware that risk free 30Y inflation protected treasuries are currently yielding more than 2.5%

[Anonymous No.56408018]

>>56407955
Yeah I wish it was that easy. Too bad most people are dumb chimps.

>>56407965
Oh I dunno, the economy is actually doing way better than retail doomers say it is. Decades-old economic paradigms no longer apply and boomer-tier Econ 101 strategies are bunk. The reality of the world that we live in, right now, is that the US is in charge and everyone else is going to play along in perpetuity because it benefits them too. More people, more money in circulation, more prosperous economic activity. The only reason to short is because of cynical bandwagoning, exactly the mindset of that other anon.

>>56407986
Wow lmao is "Respect the lag!!!!" going to be the new "Higher for longer!!!!!"? Hahahaha you idiots LITERALLY ALWAYS come up with some new bullshit to twist into your doomer narrative

[Anonymous No.56408026]

>>56408018
This has to be bait.

[Anonymous No.56408037]

>>56408026
No, the economy is an NFT. We all just have to believe.

[Anonymous No.56408038]

>>56408018
>he thinks the stock market is the economy

[Anonymous No.56408039]

>>56408016
It’s not my position in xom we’re talking about. Only a very small portion of my DG portfolio is in oil.

[Anonymous No.56408042]

>>56407962
Better short it for a new price of $100 then—if you’re sure…

[Anonymous No.56408049]

>>56408038
Hahahahaha so when it suits the bear narrative, the stock market is not the economy - got it

[Anonymous No.56408051]

>~ur losing a lot of money arent u~

[Anonymous No.56408069]

Anyone wanna buy some 0dte tsla puts tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.56408072]

>>56407837
Doesn’t change what he said.

[Anonymous No.56408074]

>>56408042
TSLA has been a pretty good short, yes.

[Anonymous No.56408081]

>>56408049
It's actually what Mumus are saying constantly.

[Anonymous No.56408085]

>>56408018
>More people,
We don't have more people, just more immigrants. And among the people here fewer and fewer are working (fewer and fewer are even capable of work.)
The rest of your post is literally "it's different this time."

[Anonymous No.56408088]

>futures

[Anonymous No.56408090]

>>56408074
I bought 187, sold heroically 207. Then it went 300. Not 3 months ago. It isn’t the result, it’s the dream.

[Anonymous No.56408092]

Yeah

[Anonymous No.56408096]

You know what, I'm about to say it
I don't care that you bought TLT

[Anonymous No.56408102]

>>56408088
Knock it off.

[Anonymous No.56408108]

>>56408088
DXY is the only one that matters. ES00 is full of shit.

[Anonymous No.56408112]

>>56408072
It does, if you know what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.56408122]

>>56408112
Most of the country doesn't save or invest at all, I'm not sure comparing people here to them is productive.

[Anonymous No.56408123]

>>56408102
that's not a gamble I would dare to make, good luck anon.

[Anonymous No.56408124]

>>56408085
People aren’t working because we are starting businesses. This will be the decade of the entrepreneur

[Anonymous No.56408128]

>>56408122
Don’t bother with the Wolf uh no cap Wall St over there…

[Anonymous No.56408130]

>>56408123
NFLX did a 500x bagger for those who believe din PAPA Powell. I believe

[Anonymous No.56408135]

>>56408085
No what I'm actually saying is "it's exactly the same this time", as in, retail bears are once again claiming that the sky is falling, and for one reason or another nothing will actually happen. We'll be higher than where we are now one year from now and bears will still be screeching about some new spooky thing.

[Anonymous No.56408136]

>>56408122
most people save and invest

[Anonymous No.56408142]

>>56408128
I've never seen that, is it good.
>>56408135
Of course there are always doom posters. You have to critically interpret the argument.

[Anonymous No.56408146]

I think Oil will continue to hold this high or rise. I think the Middle East and most oil producing countries are fed up with the west and will keep prices higher for longer.
I also think the US is losing its strength on the global stage and will seek to reestablish itself through some conflict.

XOM is also THE energy company (including the other top names). If green energy ever becomes profitable they'll just switch to producing that too.

XOM analysis over 1-2 years
>max possible downside, 10%
>likely upside, 40%

[Anonymous No.56408154]

>>56408146
>XOM is also THE energy company
this. They're essentially THE sector. I trust moves in XOM more than moves in XLE

[Anonymous No.56408161]

BLOODBATH TOMORROW

[Anonymous No.56408162]

>>56408122
>I'm not sure comparing people here to them is productive.
Its not, its a pointless argument.
>>56408128
lol

[Anonymous No.56408178]

>>56408090
>I bought 187, sold heroically 207. Then it went 300. Not 3 months ago. It isn’t the result, it’s the dream.
Not sure what your point is. Its easy to catch a random 10% swing on anything in isolation.
Volatility goes both ways. Tesla is flat since S&P inclusion, and is presently sitting approximately halfway between its peak valuation and $0.

Regardless, I'm not quite sure why people like you instantly jump to aggressively shouting to short shit, immediately, today if I'm not bullish. You realize there are 10s of thousands of stock tickers out there to trade, right? 99.9% of them do not pass my criteria as short or long plays at any given moment. Within that vast range, some may look decent, some look questionable, and some may look kinda dogshit. I can use my brain and make an informed opinion on something despite not holding an active position.

[Anonymous No.56408181]

>>56408130
You will never be profitable long term "believing" in something irrelevant to your trade. The only thing that matters for a trade you've put on is did it meet the criteria of your thesis, and what criteria will invalidate your thesis. In general, sticking in a losing trade longer than 10 to 15 minutes is going to cause too much emotion and be detrimental to your future trades. That being said this line does match up to some wicks, so there could be hope you can get out at break even.

[Anonymous No.56408186]

>"Over the next 7-10 years, I would not be shocked to see double-digit rates on long maturities," says @RickSantelli
as the 10-year yield climbs to 5%.

>He shares his biggest takeaway from today's action.

Fuckin how with that debt?

[Anonymous No.56408191]

>>56408186
people making those claims of 7%+ rates are completely delusional
not because the rates would never go that high / fundamental market forces should have them that high, but because hundreds if not thousands of banks would have blown up in spectacular SVB fashion long, long before we even touched 6%

[Anonymous No.56408207]

>>56408142
In my best interpretation I genuinely think retail bears are wrong, for the second year in a row and for the same reasons. I was right last year and I guess we'll just see if I'm right again this time.

[Anonymous No.56408230]

>>56408207
It is a pretty shaky heuristic argument. Most of us aren't really sure *why* the yield curve consistently inverts before recessions.

[Anonymous No.56408247]

>>56408230
Did the yield curves invert during huge foreign bond dumps last time too?

[Anonymous No.56408253]

>>56407958
You're basically betting on financial apocalypse at this point to the degree it's questionable if you even get paid out. If you want to short bonds short JNK. As I understand it treasuries have taken a heavier beating and spreads haven't blown out yet. I mean you're nearly two years late on this bear market, the recent move has been relatively peaceful.

[Anonymous No.56408256]

>>56408207
Wtf do you mean second year in a row? You think nobody ever takes profits?

[Anonymous No.56408268]

>>56408256
Since August 1st we've been shidding and farding every week on some new nothingburger headline, it's not just profit taking

[Anonymous No.56408270]

Weighted average price-to-sales ratios:

S&P 500 Index
>2.37

Russell 2000 Index
>1.14

[Anonymous No.56408280]

>>56408253
The US has defaulted on its debt before.

[Anonymous No.56408289]

>>56408270
Every single small business is going to get liquidated.

[Anonymous No.56408290]

>>56408270
Don't get tricked into the root cellar cum sex dungeon cum tornado shelter in Wyoming where they keep Russell in chains

[Anonymous No.56408291]

>>56408253
All I'm doing is following the trend. I'm not calling for an epic "financial apocalypse" necessarily but I need to see some confirmation to the contrary before I back off from this trade

[Anonymous No.56408301]

>>56408280
Too big to fail is too big to fail for a reason. Who's going to pay you and how can you even guarantee you can use the digits on a screen in that scenario? I think financial apocalypse is upon us but even if not there is still a lot of uncertainty on making such a late bet. If you feel the treasury is doomed then buy gold. I don't say that judgmentally. Buy some physical metal, it's been money for thousands of years. You don't have to be Scrooge McDuck but it's a smart hedge.

[Anonymous No.56408309]

Bought leap calls to far OTM and figure I'm just going to break even. Just going to sell now and try again. I want to make money but I'm not brave enough.

[Anonymous No.56408311]

>>56408291
>I'm not calling for
I know I say you would be walking into if the scenario played out. Seriously you're really late in the game if you're going to short at this point, haven't you been paying attention to the recent insanity in equity markets? TLT can be bid back up for many many reasons.

[Anonymous No.56408313]

>>56408301
NYSE and CME survived the default. Just because something big blows up doesn't mean everything does.
The Frankfurt stock exchange has existed longer than the idea of Germany as a state.

[Anonymous No.56408321]

>>56408186
The market weighted average rate is 4%. And the vast majority of debt in existence 90%, is fixed rate.

[Anonymous No.56408322]

>>56408313
You are in serious denial about the current financial and geopolitical situation, which is why you must vaguely appeal to history.

[Anonymous No.56408324]

>Plan all week to buy Netflix calls
>Know earnings call is this week and expect it to pump
>Remind myself not to fuck up and forget to buy calls on Wednesday
>Even consider putting a reminder in my phone so I don’t forget
>I forget
>NFLX up 16% today

I will fucking kill myself.

[Anonymous No.56408326]

>>56408311
>the falling knife could be captured successfully
that's ok you do that and I'll remain on the other side of the trade. Good luck to us all.

[Anonymous No.56408330]

>>56408290
Hey, maybe I enjoy having a masochistic portfolio.

[Anonymous No.56408334]

>>56408321
while this is true, it is typical for companies to constantly issue new debt, refinance old debt, roll debt, usually within 1-2 years of the hiking cycle, they are forced to now refinance or issue new debt at these higher and higher rates (which they cannot afford)

[Anonymous No.56408338]

>>56408326
What's your position?

[Anonymous No.56408342]

I shilled the opposite of my position. It worked.

[Anonymous No.56408347]

>>56408338
I bought some 80 and 75 puts dated to January and February a while back. What about you?

[Anonymous No.56408354]

So when will we hit the bottom?

[Anonymous No.56408359]

>>56408347
No you didn't

[Anonymous No.56408363]

>>56408359
you're funny

[Anonymous No.56408365]

>>56408334
they've got a few years to hope for rates to come back down. probably tighten their belts in the meantime (i.e., layoffs)

[Anonymous No.56408366]

the markets going to back up once the low iq lemmings finally understand the pow pow said no more hikes and that all they are doing now is keeping rates high to avoid bonds crashing, all the money being poured into the market and creating a bubble they wont have tools to fix, right?

[Anonymous No.56408368]

>>56407333
43% institutional ownership.

[Anonymous No.56408383]

>>56408365
I think you're missing my point
that even if the debt comes mature after 2025, they are still being forced to issue new debt (today), roll previous debt (today), refinance old debt at these higher rates (today)
that it is taking a bite out of their finances and ability to borrow money and grow, even if the other bonds issued are not coming to maturity for several years
bond issuance is not a "one and done" thing

[Anonymous No.56408393]

>>56408383
yeah you dont understand the chart. they loaded up while the getting was good.

[Anonymous No.56408400]

It's like they're using my money to pay for their fuck up.

[Anonymous No.56408417]

>>56408366
Powell is irrelevant to what is going on.
The 2 trillion Biden deficit is driving this

[Anonymous No.56408418]

>>56408368
Buy and hold, and baghold.

[Anonymous No.56408477]

>>56408393
again you're not understanding
it is not "one and done"

[Anonymous No.56408495]

>>56408178
k

[Anonymous No.56408497]

>>56407251
I just saw a 4chan banner advertisement for "Join the /biz/ Discord." Are you guys serious? Like, are you actually? Who is doing this? Is /biz/ bigger than /smg/?

[Anonymous No.56408503]

some kind of big event is about to happen involving the US that is going to tank the markets. smart money is moving out of tech and into oil

[Anonymous No.56408506]

>>56408497
probably yet another pump & dump scheme for cryptotards

[Anonymous No.56408511]

Yeah it's just porn mostly though.

[Anonymous No.56408536]

>>56408495
Glad you understand now

[Anonymous No.56408597]

>>56408417
i mean, i think what was priced in to was the potential 100b aid package, which is going to command a higher rate because of the us downgrading, but J Pow basically said they have already won and that the us extremely strong

[Anonymous No.56408637]

When do we get a limit down day?

[Anonymous No.56408643]

>>56408637
when it would be the most obvious in retrospect

[Anonymous No.56408653]

old man is addressing the nation
not that anybody cares
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video?category=livenews&ocid=msedgntp&cvid=edf454ded0014eb582c53bb12afa3a03&ei=38

[Anonymous No.56408658]

>>56408637
limit downs only happen when no one expects them, every forum and youtube channel is saying a crash is happening in 2 weeks so it wont

[Anonymous No.56408675]

>>56408658
Exactly. Just like last year, we had months of "the Big One is about to happen!" until everyone realized the bear narrative was hollow and we pumped for six months

[Anonymous No.56408698]

FLY ME TO THE MOOON

[Anonymous No.56408704]

>>56408637
two weeks or less
but actually this time
cap it

[Anonymous No.56408711]

MARA will likely crab in the 7-9 dollar range for the next 2 months until it breaks upwards in late december/early january.

[Anonymous No.56408721]

>>56408698
sunny days ahead for oilKINGs

[Anonymous No.56408724]

>>56408653
He's mostly saying they're building 3 prisons and they're locking up most of the Republican opposition in time for the election.

[Anonymous No.56408728]

>>56408653
yelling at clouds is over

[Anonymous No.56408729]

>>56408698
One job. Buy oil.

[Anonymous No.56408740]

>>56408637
doubt you're going to see it anytime soon.
when I would bull post last year around this time, I got so much hate for it. That's how you knew it was the bottom.
Similarly, any suggestion to sell was met with aggressive responses in late 2021, which was of course the pico top.
There's still many retards on here and everywhere else expecting a great crash.
When the idea of a limit down day is met with ridicule and people scoff at you, that's when you might get your beloved limit down day.

[Anonymous No.56408744]

>>56408724
he actually sad:
>we condemn the terrorist attacks
>i told israel to follow the rules of war and to not kill civilians
>i secured a humanitarian aid package for gaza
>im going to introduce a bill to provide aid to our allies
>this aid is going to be used to buy new american made equipment to replace the old stuff we are giving to our allies
>america needs to stop both the rising antisemitism and islamaphobia and we all need to get along
pretty bullish, $100b into american companies

[Anonymous No.56408761]

Old equipment = gold bars
New equipment = lead bars

[Anonymous No.56408768]

>>56408744
My calls expire next week. I plan on holding over the weekend. The war willl end and a speaker will be chosen. Bullish Monday for sure.

[Anonymous No.56408787]

>>56408637
The way this is going it won't be until the end of the bear market on the final capitulation. It might be a good time to catch the knife when it happens.

[Anonymous No.56408796]

>>56408768
we might retest the 4200 support level on the sp500 first but everything seems to be pointing to a bull rally, including all the retails shorting or holding all cash waiting to jump back in. If we break below 4200 though, the bears could get their day

[Anonymous No.56408822]

>>56408740
I think it's time for bullposting again

[Anonymous No.56408833]

Futures status?

[Anonymous No.56408836]

>>56408503
Sometimes there isn't a catalyst and there doesn't need to be one.

[Anonymous No.56408845]

>>56408833
positively futuristic dubsman

[Anonymous No.56408849]

are dividends included in the income calculation when determining the rate you pay for taxes on qualified dividends? or is it all income before dividends?

[Anonymous No.56408855]

>>56408833
Checked. Apparently sleepy Joe was a hit.

[Anonymous No.56408857]

>>56408796
Retail does not matter. Liquidity is draining rapidly.

[Anonymous No.56408867]

>>56408857
>Liquidity is draining rapidly
Sauce?

[Anonymous No.56408868]

>>56408867
reverse repo has halved.

[Anonymous No.56408879]

>>56408868
And why does that mean the market won't rally?

[Anonymous No.56408882]

>>56408721

[Anonymous No.56408891]

>>56408889
>>56408889
>>56408889

[Anonymous No.56408894]

lmao national debt up to 100k per American today
great timing for massive war spending, possible energy supply shocks, and uncontrollably rising treasury yields
>>56408824

[Anonymous No.56409044]

>>56408833
>not just watching VOO or SPY in your HOOD 24 hr market