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/smg/ - STOCK MARKET GENERAL Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:25:17 No.56381078 [Reply] [Original]

Hubris Edition

>Educational sites:
https://www.investopedia.com/
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain

>Charts:
https://www.tradingview.com
https://www.finscreener.com
https://www.koyfin.com/
https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com

>Live Streams:
https://www.newslive.com/american/cnbc.html
https://www.newslive.com/american/bloomberg-television-business.html

>Screeners:
https://finviz.com/
https://www.tradingview.com/screener
https://etfdb.com/

>Options:
https://www.optionsplaybook.com/options-introduction/
https://www.optionsprofitcalculator.com
https://optionstrat.com/
https://www.optionistics.com/quotes/option-prices

>Pre-Market and Live data:
https://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures
https://finance.yahoo.com/

>Calendars:
https://www.marketwatch.com/economy-politics/calendar
https://www.earningswhispers.com/calendar
https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/interest-rates/countdown-to-fomc.html

>Boomer Investing 101:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started

>Misc:
https://tradingeconomics.com/
https://finance.yahoo.com/trending-tickers
https://market24hclock.com/
https://fintel.io/
https://www.dividendchannel.com/drip-returns-calculator
https://brokerchooser.com/

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>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:27:13 No.56381095 File: 672 KB, 255x231, 1685229186206672.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381078 First for Hermann Göring

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:27:14 No.56381096 File: 25 KB, 600x600, smg's official Gaza-Israel stance.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Threadly reminder that you either own at least one (1) Israeli stock or you're an antisemite. #SMGStandsWithIsrael

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:27:57 No.56381104 >>56381096 I just happen to believe in American corporate supremacy

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:29:09 No.56381112 File: 10 KB, 256x244, 83988d3f64a12c96aff6a724014e0875fef2d316_hq.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] stocks for this feeling?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:29:17 No.56381114 File: 245 KB, 1170x659, IMG_9305.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 8.50 tomorrow FNKOchads

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:29:18 No.56381115 File: 1.09 MB, 230x158, 1685919500859408.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381095 based >>56381096 cringe

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:30:14 No.56381119 >>56381114 How is your portfolio actually performing? Overall.

Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:31:24 No.56381125
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>>56381096
The only semites I've ever met were actually muslims. I'm starting to think this whole anti-semite thing is just another word game scheme or lie, isn't it?

Also, line might go down tomorrow, or it might not. Do with that secret knowledge what you wish

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:33:08 No.56381130 >>56381112 NVDA on earnings

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:34:13 No.56381137 >>56381125 Personally I think anyone that isn't King Baldwin pilled about the whole thing is pretty cringe.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:35:23 No.56381145 >>56381137 >King Baldwin pilled Qrd?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:36:02 No.56381147 File: 84 KB, 750x1334, IMG_9680.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is tiktok tradeable? whats their ticker, im shorting this fucker

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:37:18 No.56381156 >>56381147 >is the ccp propoganda app traded yeah no

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:38:34 No.56381161 >>56381147 Isn't it Chinese owned, probably Blackrock or State Street got their grubby paws in some of it too would be my guess but I don't really know What they get mad at you for?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:39:43 No.56381167 File: 283 KB, 2900x1414, halal500.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381096 Mashallah I only invest in the S&P BSE 500 Shariah Index

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:40:21 No.56381172 >>56381145 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4SGQZej9s

Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:40:49 No.56381175
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>>56381147
>>56381161
>>56381156
Unfortunately, no, you can't invest in the Tick Tocks.

>ByteDance Ltd. (Chinese: 字节跳动; pinyin: Zìjié Tiàodòng) is a Chinese internet technology company headquartered in Beijing and incorporated in the Cayman Islands.[6]
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ByteDance

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:41:52 No.56381180 File: 133 KB, 1000x842, Absolutely halal.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381167 >Allah actually guarantees your gains Holy shit, this may be worth giving up pork.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:43:57 No.56381198 >>56381161 probably for my anti-semitic posts. anytime some pro-israeli tok pops up i leave a comment how the jews see everyone else as subhuman

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:44:55 No.56381202 File: 1.28 MB, 1120x1600, E46B29C9-3693-4D63-8626-61E6A0D6692D.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Stop losses, take profits. Why is it so hard to do something so simple

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:45:31 No.56381207 >>56381202 Profit taking is based, stop losses are cringe.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:45:49 No.56381210 >>56381202 Why is this lady in the mens bathroom?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:46:03 No.56381213 >>56381112 CNQ

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:47:17 No.56381226 >>56381180 It does make sense though. Going with a hyper conservative portfolio during economic uncertainty means slow gains when everyone else is making fast losses.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:48:09 No.56381233 >>56381210 >>56381202 Because it's a tranny, duh

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:48:18 No.56381235 >>56381202 Deciding when.

Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:48:27 No.56381237

>>56381202
I will elaborate on what happened to me today
>buy SQQQ 18.60
>stop loss 18.45 take profit 18.90
>crabs the whole day
>flashdump in nasdaq brings it within nanometers of my take profit but skillfully avoids it
>nasdaq proceeds to retardpump and take out my stop loss, before closing slightly lower
TLDR; FUCK you

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:49:27 No.56381245 File: 855 KB, 500x281, 1613929837246.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381167 >14.72% >5 years anyone going to tell him?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:49:52 No.56381248 >>56381119 Up 9% this year. Vast majority of it is still Cisco. Really wish I’d bought Crowdstrike 70 dollars ago though desu

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:50:27 No.56381250 >>56381248 Divvies excluded right?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:51:28 No.56381257 >>56381245 >he doesnt know how to buy low sell high >he doesnt diversify Kek, whos gonna tell him

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:52:17 No.56381264 File: 404 KB, 2952x3047, 50eead9c8aa23c7db3e99afaf5670e32.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381198 Oftentimes truth or factually correct information is considered quite antisemitic, and is deemed mal information

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:55:16 No.56381280 >>56381264 other than the jewposting, i cant think of a reason why i'd be banned

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:57:05 No.56381292 is VZ gonna moon at earnings?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:57:11 No.56381293 File: 233 KB, 700x500, 1649054564992.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381257 >implying ...neither of those are points relevant to anything. English must be your second language I take it.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:58:03 No.56381301 >>56381280 Make a new account and start off with pro CCP comments then gradually throw in some jq pills and keep turning it up and see what happens

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:58:33 No.56381306 >>56381292 Doubtfull, cell sales were down last quarter and vz is constantly being mogged by tmus.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:00:12 No.56381319 File: 26 KB, 302x389, wof.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] you guys are holding assets for inflation hedging right?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:01:35 No.56381326 File: 5 KB, 209x241, 1662934761194747.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381319 no There is no hedge. None will be allowed

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:02:15 No.56381332 >>56381326 but tips

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:02:33 No.56381334 >>56381301 i might, idk. i realized most of my free time gets wasted being on it and just seeing big booty bitches and other curated stuff. reminds me of how i slowly quit discord after being on a bunch of 4chan servers

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:02:36 No.56381335 I had unprotected sex :)

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:02:37 No.56381336 >>56381319 Yeah, like REITs and reliable consumer staple stocks.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:02:51 No.56381338 >>56381332 are a lie

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:03:05 No.56381342 >>56381306 at some point though, VZ is the same as it was at 55 and is at 30 now.. same earnings etc Do I gotta wait for a 10% div

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:03:38 No.56381344 >>56381335 Well next time make sure he uses a condom, anon https://www.hiv.gov/federal-response/ending-the-hiv-epidemic/prep-program/

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:04:20 No.56381346 >>56381336 >>56381338 there's actually a trick with tips etfs that no one seems to realize

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:05:02 No.56381352 >>56381346 Anon, please be careful. I don't want you banned for antisemitism.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:05:11 No.56381355
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>>56381319
Yes I bought an ENTIRE shiny silver round in 2021. I'mal be set nigha. I got some tin snips too so I can clip some of it off little by little for food bartering, but I'm not giving up a piece for any less than a quarter cow and I got some cans of chef boyardee in my attic

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:09:04 No.56381384 >>56381342 I havent looked that in depth. Another thing to go into is what else are they diversified into, like T owning WBD.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:14:04 No.56381410 i died for a couple years but im back i'm out of the loop what stocks are we pumping and dumping these days

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:16:00 No.56381419 >>56381410 >pumping oil and other commodities >dumping tech and finance

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:16:05 No.56381421 File: 209 KB, 112x112, 1642129039514.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381410 we trade bonds and indexes now

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:16:56 No.56381424 >>56381293 >starts sentences with an ellipsis >Doesn't know what a comma is >Doesn't know "I take it" comes at the beginning of the sentence So not only are you incapable of understanding how an index works, but you're also illiterate.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:17:47 No.56381428
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>>56381410
Well the pajeet shills never left, there's just slightly less of em, and whoever falls for it will try to pump their own heavy bags til they eventually realized they've been had.

Not much has changed but there are less people here is all

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:19:59 No.56381439 File: 2.66 MB, 498x328, 1613933308977.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381424 >trys attacking my english lol lmao Sad.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:20:52 No.56381443 >>56381384 >>56381384 as far as i know nothing, ive been watching them tank for 3 straight years and its starting to get to a point where you cant really justify it anymore, P/E is like 6 now and dividend is almost 9%

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:21:05 No.56381445
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So, suppose each one of these yield an average of 125 grams, when produced indoors, and 500 grams outdoors, and each gram sells for 10 dollars
suppose i plant 10 of each and sell them at half their gross price, so 62,5x10 for 625 and 250x10 for 2500, about 3125 each (((sugar cane))) plant x10 for a total of 31250

how would i justify this money to invest it in minecraft?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:21:09 No.56381446 >>56381439 his comment was retarded but tries is not spelled like that

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:25:37 No.56381464
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>>56381352
I'm going all out.

When you buy a bond ETF you "lock in" the rate so to say, and even though you don't lock in like you would if you bought the bond itself, depending on the duration you do to an extent.

Let's say you bought $100 of a ten year bond fund yielding 5%. If the interest rate goes down by 1% then your bond fund will increase to $110 and that new fund will be yielding 4%. But you didn't buy your shares when it was $110, you bought it when it was $100. So for you, it would be $110 * 4% = $4.4 / $100 = 4.4%. This works with any number as well
>39$ at 5% -> rates drop by 1% so it increases by 10% -> $42.9 * 4% = $1.716 / $39 = 4.4% yield
The longer the duration and the higher the yield the more extreme this gets. This is bond convexity. If you buy a 20 year bond fund when rates are 5% and then it falls to 4% you get
>$100 at 5% -> rates drop by 1% so it increases by 20% -> $120 at 4% = $4.80 / 100 = 4.8%

It works with tips too. Right now the 20 year tips bond is at 2.51% and LTPZ has an average duration of 20 and is $51. If rates fall back to 1.5% then it'll raise to $61.2. And you'll barely be getting 1.8%. Kinda sucks right? That's what happens because rates are already low.

But here's the kicker, it works with inflation too. Let's say while rates are 1.5% that inflation is 2.5% (lol, we all know its going to be higher). It's going to pay out 2.5% for that current high $61.2. But if you bought it today at $51, then that comes out to 3% inflation payout. Inflation for tips bond etfs causes real returns if the NAV increases after you buy it.

The high for LTPZ was $92. If you bought it today and it got to that point, you'd be getting payouts of inflation times 1.8. Remember when inflation was 8%? You'd get 14.4%, that's 6.4% real returns above inflation, regardless of the actual fucking real return aspect of it.

This makes sense too, if you compare different TIPS ETFs the longer duration ones paid out way fucking mroe

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:28:15 No.56381485 >>56381410 Physical TMV shares hedged with EIS calls is the hot new meta.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:29:59 No.56381501 File: 86 KB, 500x440, 1503689302002.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >skew index

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:30:43 No.56381503 >>56381446 You got me. Point still stands though, attacking grammar and spelling are basically admitting the arguments lost lol.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:34:08 No.56381518 >>56381439 >>56381503 >>56381446 >...neither of those are points relevant to anything. English must be your second language I take it. You're projecting.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:35:36 No.56381530 File: 56 KB, 500x499, 9B498462-5C53-44A6-BF58-591CAC192E55.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] He sold?

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:38:53 No.56381553

>>56381518
>projecting
lol no, I was calling out your bullshi. You didn't address the point and basically just made up some shit as a counter...so you obviously didnt read or are just retarded.

>>56381245
>obviously referring to your small gains
>>56381257
>buy high sell low
not relevant to buy and hold strategy.
>diversity
also no relevant.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:39:16 No.56381554 >>56381464 ok im going all in on LTPZ thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:40:40 No.56381561 I'm ruined

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:44:05 No.56381586 File: 154 KB, 333x734, October Investments Holdings 2023.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Another day. Didn't do nothing. Starting to get colder now so my outdoor walking during breaks/lunch is over with for the year.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:44:06 No.56381587

>>56381553
>English must be your second language I take it.
>trys attacking my english
> attacking grammar and spelling are basically admitting the arguments lost lol
You literally make a semantic argument then say "hurr durr ur rong becuz u maek fun of my retarded english". Fuck off.

>not relevant to buy and hold strategy.
No shit, the point is why would you buy high if you're going to buy and hold? You should've bought bitcoin at 65k.
>also no relevant
If you think having diverse investments is irrelevant, you're probably broke.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:46:18 No.56381599 >>56381586 Hey is your boss still that same fat black woman?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:51:57 No.56381626 Im thinking long USB tomorrow before earnings would be a smart play

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:53:40 No.56381629

>>56381599
Kek, actually my boss is maybe a year older than me and is a white dude. When he isn't there guess who runs the show? Why me of course. Frankly its all kinda laid back easy. No one tells me nothing. No one really asks me to do nothing. I simply just go in, do whatever, then do ho hum whatever I want till I go home. Like today. After doing the things on my list I took an afternoon nap and no one said shat. Been there uh I dunno 18 years so really no one bothers me about nothing.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:55:19 No.56381637
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How can i COPE for not taking profit after being short last week ? I lost all my gains in one day its insane

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:55:42 No.56381639

>>56381587
>No shit, the point is why would you buy high if you're going to buy and hold?
...when the fuck did I say buy high?
>If you think having diverse investments is irrelevant, you're probably broke.
How is it relevant to what you posted retard? and when did I ever claim don't diversify?

Like you arnt addressing any points and just making shit up, thats why I said you must not speak english well, you retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:57:01 No.56381650 File: 248 KB, 1170x1607, A053A253-DF3B-464D-928E-957586C80D54.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does this look like an inverse h+s

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:58:23 No.56381661 File: 176 KB, 220x197, 1697504279725.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381650 I don't even know what that is? bullish or bearish?

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:58:29 No.56381662
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>>56381629
Man I need a job like that, but I'm in the state below you and they probably got DIE only hires now.

Unlike back when you got in that government cubicle, so unless I put on a wig and heels and use pronouns, I don't have much of a shot getting a leech of a state job

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 00:59:39 No.56381670 File: 160 KB, 480x351, pink-bart-wojak.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381650 Looks like something else to me...

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:01:18 No.56381679 this malt o meal peanut butter cereal is burning my throat

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:02:45 No.56381689 File: 680 KB, 543x692, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] should i invest in japan

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:03:02 No.56381693 File: 86 KB, 750x1000, raf,750x1000,075,t,101010_01c5ca27c6.u3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381679 That's kinda weird

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:03:58 No.56381697 >>56381639 >*When the fuck did I say buy high? When you said buy low sell high is irrelevant. >when did I ever claim don't diversify? When you said diversity is irrelevant. You must be a chatbot

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:04:14 No.56381699 I'm at 750k savings and im still depressed WTF When do I get dopamine?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:05:49 No.56381710 File: 428 KB, 334x739, aae.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I boughted more

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:07:07 No.56381722 >>56381697 They are relevant because you're implying I said that, you retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:09:03 No.56381730 File: 101 KB, 2070x575, BED.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381710 Based. I reloaded cash last Friday.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:09:39 No.56381733 >>56381722 If it was irrelevant then you would have no problem buying BTC at 65k. Do I have to explain what relevant means to you?

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:14:44 No.56381760

>>56381662
Yeah I got in during the good period. Although they kinda fucked with the health benefit portion of my retirement package a bit though. (applies to a certain year range; my hire date falls within that). But still it's not bad. Sick time rolls up and can be used as time counted towards retirement. Even gotta handy chart that'll convert it for you (3000hrs = 1 year). Vacation time rolls up to up to a certain amount. They let you carry so much then whatever is over that gets dumped into your sick time. It also grows as your years pass. By the time your at 20 years your racking up 2 whole days a month of vacation time plus the paid holidays,etc you get. Also the dollar value of unused vacation time can be used as a 401k boost/catch up option when your at retirement. Or they pay you for it but you get taxed at a higher rate if you do that.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:20:25 No.56381791 >>56381733 >you would have no problem buying BTC at 65k. I never said buy high so your retarded example still isnt applicable. > Do I have to explain You can't follow a basic conversation so why would I ask you to explain anything.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:21:43 No.56381794 >>56381699 >750k savings you're retarded if you have that in all cash

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:22:34 No.56381796 ADXN ladies and gents.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:23:23 No.56381799 File: 21 KB, 600x324, 1696362162816446.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do fundamentals even matter?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:23:48 No.56381804 File: 91 KB, 1170x733, 26BC916E-E24C-4ED2-9214-865D672AA797.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this bad?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:25:27 No.56381814 >>56381319 Yeah, stocks. They've been a good long-term inflation-beater. They're not very good against short-term inflation, though.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:26:24 No.56381822

>>56381791
The entire premise of your "argument" is that a 14.7% return on 5 years is bad, what your ignoring is literally every single other data point between those 5 years. Buying low and selling high is relevant as you would have to buy in at a low point in those 5 years, then sell at a high point or continue holding.
The fact that you don't know when or how to buy in and cash out tells me all I need to know about how irrelevant your opinion on basic finance really is.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:26:56 No.56381825 >>56381799 they don't until they do and they do until they don't. Sometimes meme lines mean more.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:29:35 No.56381836 >>56381804 only a loss when you sell

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:30:07 No.56381839 >>56381799 not really, the supercomputer at JPM matters more

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:35:50 No.56381869 >>56381794 Nah man, I'm actually peer-2-peer lending the 750k at 15% APR using some mafia loaner broker. I dont ask questions, they give me monthly check, im still depressed tho - help me

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:37:53 No.56381881 >>56381869 nice, with the amount of consumer debt that's racking up that sounds like a safe play

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:38:20 No.56381884 File: 81 KB, 1080x1080, 1645153264248.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's literally over tomorrow isn't it bros https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlKrH07au6E

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:39:44 No.56381894 >>56381699 when you buy the hookers and cocaine

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:50:07 No.56381957 >>56381799 Not when its “priced in”

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:52:19 No.56381967 Think again. It’s going to be green again. We’re so fucking back

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:52:39 No.56381970 is this earnings season bullish or bearish? is this market dying or recovering?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:53:26 No.56381975 File: 68 KB, 1024x1024, Santa Hat Tuxedo Pepe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381561 You want to talk about it, champ?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:54:26 No.56381984 >>56381970 Ath’s before end of year. Vix is subsiding. Commodities going down. Lay offs happening. It’s gonna be fooooking greeeeeen

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:55:00 No.56381988 >>56381626 Based on what?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:56:01 No.56381995 >>56381650 Yeah, pretty much.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:57:37 No.56382005 File: 532 KB, 1698x2048, Stagflationary 70s sector winners.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381814 Depends on the stock.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:57:50 No.56382007 File: 172 KB, 482x382, 1635898523272.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I wish I hadn't sold GD earlier this year.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:57:50 No.56382006 File: 178 KB, 1000x600, 1638401690904.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381984 SANTA RALLY

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 01:57:59 No.56382008 >>56381804 yeah

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:01:57 No.56382031 File: 321 KB, 848x768, brandon.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If dubs, there's another paraglider raid on Wednesday.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:02:45 No.56382038 >>56382031 As much as I want something big to go down, the world loses if Kamala is in charge

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:04:34 No.56382044 >>56382038 On the contrary, it would just put us one step closer to President Jim Jordan.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:05:17 No.56382047 >>56381699 Turns out you are living your life right now. When you "make it", you have the same life. So unless going to work is making you miserable, nothing will change when you "make it".

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:05:41 No.56382051 File: 3.89 MB, 480x480, 1597797224508.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382038 You can't stop it. Just mentally prepare yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:06:59 No.56382060 >>56382038 Will this be the black swan event?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:09:19 No.56382075 >>56382060 sleepy joe doesn’t know what’s about to hit him at least we’ll never have to hear about hunter biden again

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:12:05 No.56382086
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>>56381760
I'll just call up some local state department of bla bla bla and tell the HNIC that I know KO Boomer and that we go way back and that I'm Cherokee or something and see if that gets me in the door

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:19:47 No.56382129 >>56381650 >inverse h+s Cock and balls pattern.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:20:29 No.56382135 >>56382007 Join the kool KTOS klan if you want to drown your regret in piles of money.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:23:25 No.56382153 Oil continuing to rug. Chinamen must think peace is declared.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:33:39 No.56382202 >>56382051 Isn't she a bit old to be wearing Converse?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:35:18 No.56382214 File: 7 KB, 241x250, 1683167995607133.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382153 it will come back...

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:36:39 No.56382220 File: 224 KB, 483x413, 1694139633377327.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382202 I seen a lot of gen x boomers wearing Vans.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:42:15 No.56382256 File: 91 KB, 432x221, 1697398316582165.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The sooner this shit all collapses, the sooner the world can return to sanity.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:42:22 No.56382258 File: 58 KB, 1117x234, mnb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reminder to trust the experts

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:43:27 No.56382266 >>56381112 Pbr. I decided to go less risky stuff like tx/broad south american funds. My smaller pbr stake? Been running wild. Brazils got a lot of room to rape cut.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 02:44:25 No.56382272 File: 75 KB, 850x400, 1652971903092.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382256 True. A lot of people need to get roasted.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:01:36 No.56382340 >>56382256 >sanity Sanity is not necessarily inevitable. It can keep clowning forever until the antichrist comes, and beyond.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:07:39 No.56382367 File: 122 KB, 1546x799, TSLA_2023-10-16_23-06-22.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] tesla short? thoughts? i think it is at support but it failed to make a higher high

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:13:45 No.56382396 >>56382367 Biden admin is trying to torch 72% of the fuel savings of ev

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:20:31 No.56382428 2 months in a row robinhood couldn't handle paying me dividends. I even have to make the dtcc claims myself.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:21:08 No.56382430 File: 12 KB, 474x284, rebel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382031 >WE WILL NOT BE HINDERED

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:21:10 No.56382431 >>56382258 risk managers are a meme

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:25:07 No.56382443 My ai girlfriend got a job coding for meta. She just had uber eats bring ma a steak.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:29:19 No.56382457 Lmao. Buddy, look at the 30yr. >+5bps >4.90% it's only 11:30!

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:31:06 No.56382467 >>56382457 I cant wait until banks start getting run on again

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:34:34 No.56382475 File: 382 KB, 1520x1788, 1659143461725718.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382428 should've used a real broker instead of a bucket shop app

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:38:33 No.56382494 WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT!

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:40:19 No.56382501 File: 187 KB, 720x720, 1696198172296715.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I think that the yield curve is going to un-invert at some point which will be the signal for a recession and a decline in stock prices by up to 60%.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:40:59 No.56382504 File: 770 KB, 2160x1620, IMG_2429.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It’s time to all in YANG GANG

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:44:21 No.56382515 File: 524 KB, 1440x2560, Screenshot_20231016-224137_Robinhood.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382475 You just don't get it

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:44:36 No.56382516 File: 128 KB, 1005x1024, 1691125635848887m.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382501 I think you are wrong and that will never happen and we will all live happily ever after just like my animes

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:46:02 No.56382521 File: 19 KB, 554x480, -.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382504 >Ch*nese scam companies defaulting on foreign investors first imagine my shock.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:46:53 No.56382526 >>56382475 >>56382428 >t. charlie schwabb

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:47:14 No.56382529 >>56382005 >>56381814 But if stocks are a poor hedge against short-term inflation doesn't that mean that accumulating them now is a good play?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:49:06 No.56382537 Schwab would be harder for me to buy and sell the few small positions I can manage to make money in

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:50:10 No.56382542 File: 169 KB, 500x593, K Keep me posted.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382501

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:50:17 No.56382543

I wish I'd got on with the state right after high school. Or at any point before June 2003. After June 2003 they changed the health benefit you got when you retired. Before the change basically you put in your time, you retire, and the state would pickup the cost of health insurance 100% till you went on fed govt dime at 65. Which a full retirement could start at 27 years. Ex: You start at age 19. You'd be retired at age 46. For me, I can still retire at 27 years but the health benefit switched to a dollar contribution amount. So they toss so much per month for health coverage with the difference getting taken out of my pension check. The rub; health costs suck now, it'll suck even more by the time retirement rolls around. The other rub; it's actually fucking cheaper to work far as the health coverage goes. Get the trifecta for me and the Wife (vision/dental/medical) for only $370-380 a month taken out my check.Once retirement day hits that cost skyrockets unless you do the 3rd option; get your own health plan and use the health stipend they give you to help cover the costs. (When I was a single dude I got the trifecta and it cost me just $50 a month)

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:52:16 No.56382547 >>56382529 Anon, inflation is picking back up.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 03:53:16 No.56382552 >>56382543 Have you considered switching to public employment in a blue state?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:00:35 No.56382578 >>56382547 But that's what I mean. Nobody will want them so they'll underperform, which means they might creep into value territory (separately, I'm considering food related stocks as a 70s inflation play, since I figure oil is priced in)

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:03:33 No.56382589

>>56382578
That means accumulating them *now* is a pants-on-head retarded play. There was a famous "Death of Equities" magazine cover (https://ritholtz.com/1979/08/the-death-of-equities/)) that marked an absolute bottom of the market in the 70s, but it was at the end of the decade of inflation.

We're at the beginning.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:14:55 No.56382621 The doom posting is a clear sign we will be green as Gumby tomorrow. Get fucked

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:21:58 No.56382638
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>>56382621
Anon, the fate of world markets depends on the self control of a couple dozen Muslim squad leaders in Lebanon. I'm not saying we'll be red tomorrow. Or even the day after.

I just want you to be aware of the risk.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:22:15 No.56382639

I thought you assclowns said the gobernment was cutting EBT. Everytime I go into the store the person in front of me always gets the SNAP mega discount. I didn't see one SNAP user until a few months back and now I'm the only asshole in the store paying full price for groceries. Who is going to get hurt the most from this and how do I short them>

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:22:28 No.56382641 >>56381637 Wait for the drop.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:22:52 No.56382644 >>56382621 >nuke dropped on china, everyone freaking out, stock market tomorrow looking grim now that 10% of world production has been glassed >BUT UHHH BUY WHEN EVERYONE FEARFUL DURR

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:22:57 No.56382645 File: 34 KB, 525x525, qoy37896fal31.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382504 Love to see it.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:23:24 No.56382647 >>56382639 Shutdown can got kicked to the middle of next month. You can have your SNAP riot livestreams then: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/30/government-shutdown-live-updates-congress-faces-funding-deadline.html

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:26:55 No.56382657 File: 62 KB, 240x210, 1683211170258387.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382515 I don't get it. Is this a zoomer thing?

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:27:41 No.56382661

>>56382647
Thinking on things a bit more the same people using SNAP are likely the same people doing all the shoplifting, so I guess SNAP is better? I'd prefer they don't hand those out like free candy and they restrict it to not be usable for organic produce and alcohol, but it's better than the rampant shoplifting. Too bad grocery stores are too inert to short.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:29:41 No.56382670 >>56382038 >the world loses america loses, which means the rest of the world wins

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:29:46 No.56382672 File: 515 KB, 1000x1000, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] SVIX is my pepper

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:30:23 No.56382673 >>56382672 svix barely moved yesterday tho

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:31:47 No.56382678 File: 19 KB, 699x141, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382673 >barely moved uwotm8

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:35:37 No.56382688

>>56382672
If you're wrong, it will also be your salt :^)

>>56382589
Fair enough. But I'm still fucking around and learning what to actively trade. I have some open bioshits and next lot I'm going to short. It's been a bit of a journey the last month but I'm slowly learning more and more

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:36:37 No.56382691 File: 608 KB, 754x856, bothered.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i need to recoup my losses, but a kind anon keeps telling me to stay away from 0DTE options. i can't rely soley on oil to carry me

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:37:40 No.56382696 File: 31 KB, 495x619, Meditating Apu reminder.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382691 You don't need to make everything back in one day, one trade, or one swing. There's no need to rush.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:45:39 No.56382727
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>>56382696
anon, i made a retirement plan when i was 25. the goal was to funnel money into the stock market for 10 years and eventually have stocks/etfs pay me enough dividend to quit my trade job and work part time so i could focus on trading to earn a living. 3 years into the plan and inflation has made me reduce the amount of money i can throw into my poorfolio, plenty of losses taken in the poorfolio, and now recently i lost my job. i feel like i'm running out of time. this is the first goal i have ever set for myself and i'm already losing. i know i'm getting desperate, but i feel like i can make it still.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:50:19 No.56382746 >>56382038 sleepy joe is going to be the sacrifice. The modern day "gulf of tonkin".

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:51:29 No.56382752 File: 134 KB, 311x435, 1688000406841222.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382727 Just stop making bad investments

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:52:56 No.56382762 File: 260 KB, 1280x720, fuming.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382752

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:55:05 No.56382774 its not possible to know whats going to happen in the markets. therefore....gambling becomes the only sane option.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:56:31 No.56382781

>>56382727
How old are you now, Anon? Don't forget what Daddy Bogle taught us. That "touching" your "PP" (Portfolio) is not optimal, leads to financial ruin. And now that you're between jobs you are tempted to "touch it" more. Don't be a gooner, Anon. Leave your portfolio alone. If you really want to spend your free time doing investing and have enough divvies to subsist you, then make it a career and hit the books like Burry does. Don't chase memes.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:57:19 No.56382785 File: 74 KB, 700x682, file.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382691 VIX futures market maker paypigs exist to service your financial needs. Short the VIX and keep shorting. Just be careful cuz they get uppity sometimes

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:58:42 No.56382794

How's everyone doing today? Good gains? I'm about to start putting some of my money to work in some stocks, maybe 5-7k, but I need to do more research cuz I still kinda have trouble with the vast terminology and strats and such. I also feel like some of the links attached are outdated and overcomplicate things. I don't feel like going too much into crypto unless maybe it's btc. Might put 1k into it, but no more than that. Input is appreciated

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 04:58:44 No.56382795 >>56382746 That'd be some Chutzpah from the kikes, killing a US President. But I wouldn't put it past them. When they feel their global dominance within reach they will do all sorts of crazy things.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:02:14 No.56382806 File: 19 KB, 338x527, 1666080711609870.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Some homeless guy threw coffee at me a week ago, today I saw him and pushed him down I didn't start this war

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:05:48 No.56382832
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>>56382781
>made a retirement plan when i was 25
>3 years into the plan
Bogle was already rich when he started investing, he does it to protect his capital. i don't even know what gooner means. you are right though, i need to study up some more on this stuff, plenty to learn.

>>56382785
i don't trade futures, i suck at presents as it is.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:05:56 No.56382835

>>56382691
A lot of rookie options players over concern themselves with theta decay because they don't fully understand delta. ODTE have very neutral delta that can grow exponentially very fast if the underlying moves giving you a ton of leverage on your contract

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:08:48 No.56382842 >>56382832 >i don't trade futures Take a look at SVOL, SVXY, ZIVB, WEIX, and SVIX to short VIX futures in the stock market. You can also short or buy puts on VXX, VIXY, VIXM, UVXY, or UVIX if you prefer to play it that way

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:09:20 No.56382844 They're begging /biz/raelis to go die for Israel now. It's so fucking OVER. >>56382718

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:10:23 No.56382847
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>>56382794
It's easy, just pick one of these and go from there. Walk before you run.

Double diagonals and broken wing butterflies are my primary trading strategies, but learning this chart is a good first step for you before you try to get all complicated with things like DCA and divvies

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:16:21 No.56382868
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>>56382847
I love these on UVXY. Since it's always more or less on a predictable down trend you can price target the butterfly with a decent amount of precision. And if UVXY goes to the moon you either lose nothing or just a tiny bit. The chances of UVXY blowing through the bottom leg of your spread is infinitesimally remote so even if it does happen it's very rare

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:17:24 No.56382876 >>56382842 so buy any of the first 5 when the market pumps? whats the plan with those?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:17:35 No.56382878 File: 537 KB, 1284x2778, 94979.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382868 to wit. systematically making this trade every week is some of the easiest money in the stock market

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:17:55 No.56382879

>>56382727
if you're saving less than 1k a month the number 1 thing you can do to start building wealth is get a job that puts you in the middle upper class
if you're saving 800 a month for 10 years thats 130k with like a 7% annual rate
if you get a job paying 100k a year and save 3k a month (very doable, i save more than that on 110k a year) then that's 130k after 3.5 years. That means you have 6.5 years to go to university and pay off your loans.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:18:33 No.56382882 Thoughts on TPST?

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:23:15 No.56382900

>>56382794
paper trade for a few weeks/months till you know how the systems work. read during that time. 5-7k is still a decent amount of money, i started with less than that. then when you want to start trading cash you can even start doing like $20 trades. investing is different though, you can just dump it all into index funds and come back in 20 years

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:23:55 No.56382902
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>>56382868
Yea I've done them on that as well quite a bit. Usually it's easy money.

But yea anyway, once that guy gets this simple beginner trader's chart down, he can move on to complex things like setting a limit order or even turning DRIP on his divvies and eventually learning how to read a bid/ask spread. Hell get there

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:24:07 No.56382904 WW3 W3W 3WW

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:26:10 No.56382913
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>>56382876
>so buy any of the first 5 when the market pumps?
They're all good but I'd say SVXY is the happy medium there
>whats the plan with those?
To avoid getting rekt when the market dumps I'd suggest a trend following methodology. Since it's volatility based you could use that as the signal to buy or sell. Here it is: open the VIX6M/VIX chart on the daily time frame. If the 4pm close is below 1.15 buy when the market opens at 9:30am the next morning. If the close is below 1.15 sell at 9:30am the next morning. You could use 1.2 as well. This is just an example though. I'm sure you can do some backtesting and come up with something better. Look at VIX3M/VIX too

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:29:23 No.56382922

>>56382913
>If the 4pm close is below 1.15 buy when the market opens at 9:30am the next morning
I'm retarted. That should be if the ratio is at or above 1.15 buy the next morning. Sell if it's below. Also, FWIW, backtesting shows 1.2 to be better. I should go to bed now

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:30:57 No.56382927 >>56381587 Diversifying is only for people who pick shit stocks.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:31:09 No.56382928
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>>56382879
before i lost my job i was able to save $1k and still pay $2k on my mortgage, which is double the minimum. it was a job that was guaranteed for the next 5 years but unfortunately the contractor didn't hold their end of the deal and my company had to walk away. there's talks of negotiating a new contract but nothing will be set in stone until march, so i've got to find work elsewhere.

>>56382913
>>56382922
interesting, i'll ask more questions before market opens, sleep well

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:35:40 No.56382938 Y'all niggas should be panic buying food and supplies rn.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:37:28 No.56382945 File: 213 KB, 1280x958, 1621746649413.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56382938 way ahead of you, bud. saw the signs before the scamdemic started and slowly accumulated more of what i already bulk buy

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:42:16 No.56382958 >>56381626 >>56382795 Who is jfk

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:42:16 No.56382957

>>56382902
>>56382868
>tfw understand and have traded to equities, options, fixed income, cfds, forex, crypto
>tfw understand micro, macro, greeks, volatility, fundamentals, technicals, risk management and position sizing, seasonality, and even promoted schizo jewish calendar theories
>tfw cannot fucking have consistent gains and be profitable or even break even
Hurts man

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:45:57 No.56382967 >>56381626 If you're going long then don't buy calls right now that's a rookie mistake going into earnings. You're going to get IV crushed so just buy the security outright

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:49:16 No.56382971

>>56382967
What's the risk of buying the stock and selling a CC on inflated IV? I suppose it could drop in value, but the gains offered by writing the option should ideally offset that. You'd be delta neutral, though gamma would affect it.
But then you could be elaborate and hedge the gamma with a calendar spread, but then you're going to eat transaction fees

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:51:32 No.56382977

>>56382971
I did that for a little bit. It is very capital inefficient due to 2 day settlement time for stock. If you want to do that short vol into earnings strat (I wouldn't recommend it) selling puts into earnings accomplishes the same thing with the faster 1 day options settlement.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:57:13 No.56382994
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Why do people here want some kind of a big crash? The economy is doing great, the job market is alright, good quality stocks are as strong as ever... why would you want a crash? Didn't you buy last year?
People make it out to seem like the market is on some sort of an irrational high but it makes sense that the big seven and most other quality stocks are either at ATH or hovering near ATH. Small caps and others that have a big exposure to the high rates are getting kekked. Some tech really is overvalued though (AMD for example) but that is still kind of understandable

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:57:40 No.56382996
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So basically, a brand new trader should learn things in this order, the first and easiest most basic thing first, Advanced Option Spread Strategies.

BEGINNER
1: Advanced Option Spread Strategies Chart
2: option spreads
3:how to sell options
4: how to buy a call or put

INTERMEDIATE
5: Gamma
6:Vega
7: Theta
8::Delta
9: level 2 data

VERY ADVANCED
10: limit orders
11: DRIP
12: Bid/ask spread

EXPERT LEVEL
13: how to buy a single share of stock
14: What red and green candles mean
15:How to count from 1-10

GRAND MASTER
16: How to open a brokerage account
17How to turn a computer on

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:58:36 No.56383000 >>56382994 STFU Baghdad Bob

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 05:59:31 No.56383004 More doom posting. Gonna be long green dildos for the week.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:01:38 No.56383010

>>56382977
>If you want to do that short vol into earnings strat
I accidentally did that with a calendar spread once and ate a 70% loss on the trade, was not fun.

Separate from all that, my last option trade was a bull put spread on XLF. I entered 2x
-37P/+35P on Sept 15th for a Oct 13th(?) exp. At the time I believe that I thought there was a bullish case for $37 and this would be a safer spread to trade. Got $340 upfront, next day it gapped down and I got early assigned. Had to do $7400 on margin and paid interest on it for 2-3 days before I realized that even if I was right, because I didn't have the cash on hand I'd be eating fees and it was better to just exercise my 35P, sell for $7000 and have a net $60 loss (plus fees).

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:04:30 No.56383021

>>56382971
The high premium will help eat cost if earnings leads to increased IV. When the IV reverts again your CC will most likely remain bearish. USB has a 38% IV in the 73% percentile so it's definitely going to revert pretty drastically after earnings unless they defy expectations

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:04:50 No.56383025
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>>56382957
Markets can be frustrating. The fucked thing is no matter what you do there is luck involved, e.g. if you had a long equities strat and started out in 2010 you looked like a genius for 10 years straight. Will it work like that the next 10 years? Nobody knows. In the long run there are some things that seem plausibly axiomatic. Stocks go up more often than down for reasons. Government intervention, corporate efficiency, 401k investors dumping money in monthly, etc. So that said your strategy should take stocks going up into account which means you should favor being long. That's the bedrock. Add to that some uncorrelated stuff like options selling, maybe iron condors, calendar spreads, broken wing butterflys on volatility ETPs.
In short, trend follow equities with a long bias. Pick your poison for signals, moving averages, volatility, breakouts, whatever. Just have a system that backtests well and follow it religiously. I'd say run that with maybe 3/5 of your portfolio. With the other 40%, use a systematic premium farming strategy. Sell iron condors on SPY. Look for situations where SPY is in some kind of range or whatever. As long as it isn't going straight up or down. In that situation definitely don't open an iron condor just to get stopped right out. You want a some amount of volatility so your wings won't be too close together. Maybe look for IV rank at least above 15%. Look for deltas .15 or below on the short legs and open 30-45 days out. Take profit when you're up 50% and stop yourself out if you lose 15% of the premium you received when opening the trade. Never ever let your iron condor go until you reach maximum loss. Always stop out. If IV rank is below 15 consider opening a calendar instead since they are positive vega. And look >>56382878 and >>56382868 for my thoughts on UVXY broken wing butterflys. Just some suggestions. Remember, consistency is key. You are most likely to abandon a strategy right before it makes the biggest profit

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:08:05 No.56383036 File: 1.79 MB, 1024x1024, 1697518300331525.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >markets https://youtu.be/X-f4im0PeUQ?si=b8NGTmVMS8cW9weR

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:08:17 No.56383038 >>56383010 I had something happen and I was negative $144,000 in my account for a few hours til the other legs went through, kek, I don't even remember what it was it's happened so many times to me at this point

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:08:49 No.56383040

>>56383021
>unless they defy expectations
There's that tail risk that I don't like. Every time I've tried something, I get blindsided by something I hadn't considered. Last thing I want to do is set up a strategy that "can't lose unless X happens" and then have it happen

When I was trading biotechs last month, I went long 3 weeks before their PFUDA dates, did 1% risk and scaled by the ATR. Risk was good. Looked at my total ATR x quantity exposure among all open trades, and bought 1/3rd that in LABD. More or less broke even, was up by about $70 at one point but finished down $60. I think the idea was to more or less hedge myself and benefit from positive tail risk on event data.

I think I could probably do that with SQQQ or shorting a spider sector etf on company ERs. I'll have to figure that out though

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:09:08 No.56383042 >>56383025 >stop yourself out if you lose 15% of the premium you received when opening the trade le sigh That should be 50%

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:11:08 No.56383054 >>56383010 Ouch, early assignment. While I had margin when I was doing my earnings trades I never dipped into it. For me 2 large losses completely offset 6 wins, so I stopped. I don't buy options anymore, not even leaps.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:12:40 No.56383063 File: 2.13 MB, 2048x1152, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56383038 >I was negative $144,000 in my account for a few hours til the other legs went through Only one solution in that situation

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:17:45 No.56383082 File: 86 KB, 970x870, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56381078 I am literally a money alchemist.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:19:57 No.56383089 >>56383082 Nice work.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:20:53 No.56383092 >>56383082 Give us some tips anon. How do we become you?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:21:24 No.56383095 >>56383092 most of my alpha comes from short selling

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:24:03 No.56383106 internet was down literally all day (before work til just now) fuck comcast and what i miss?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:24:41 No.56383108 Every piece of advice except 2x the index. Holyyyyyy fuck it’s gonna rip. Might wanna make it 3x

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:25:31 No.56383114
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>>56383025
I'm a big proponent of risk management and trade psychology and agree on being consistent.

If you flip a coin (going long on heads and short on tails), you should be right approximately 50% of the time. Let's say you have an indicator that gives you a baseline or confirmation and you can avoid 1-2 bad trades and that pushes your win rate to 51% - you are now longterm profitable.

Another thing is cutting losers and letting winners run. If you have a perfect 50% winrate, your distribution on individual trades should be a bell curve. If you hold losers and cut winners, you shift the bell curve to negative ROI%. If you consistently avoid bad entries, cut losers, manage risk and let winners run, you shift the bell curve to positive ROI% for free. It's all about managing trades.

The problem is that while I understand this and have started doing this with biotechs (as mentioned >>56383040), it's not quite profitable yet. In aug/sept I did 10 trades (1 option) and was down $300. Of that $300, I paid $110 in fees, $60 on the option loss. If I avoided that trade entirely, I'd have cut my losses in half. So avoiding things like that. Sept/Oct was much better - $140 in fees, but only a net $60 loss so far.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:25:49 No.56383116

>>56383092
there's not much liquidity in what I do, so I can't say exactly what it is, but it uses a quantitative methodology
I got into an argument with the biotech pajeet that posts here, he agreed with every biotech short I had, but was assblasted that I didn't spend months researching them

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:31:10 No.56383132

>>56383114
>Another thing is cutting losers and letting winners run. If you have a perfect 50% winrate, your distribution on individual trades should be a bell curve. If you hold losers and cut winners, you shift the bell curve to negative ROI%. If you consistently avoid bad entries, cut losers, manage risk and let winners run, you shift the bell curve to positive ROI% for free. It's all about managing trades
Yeah it took a while and some big losses to finally hammer this into my head. Now I ruthlessly cut losses and resist the urge to sell winners. Sounds like you have the right mindset and a systematic strategy. You probably are just having a rough patch. It'll pass and you'll start making money
>>56383116
>I got into an argument with the biotech pajeet that posts here, he agreed with every biotech short I had, but was assblasted that I didn't spend months researching them
based

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:40:25 No.56383164
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I had too much coffee earlier today and now I have the worst kind of runny diarrhea and I can't reach my ass because of my weight.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:41:58 No.56383169 Hey so did crouching tiger quiet forest ever have a conclusion?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:42:59 No.56383175 File: 148 KB, 1024x1024, _9aaf3b2c-026d-4cd8-8dbf-c8f5905a3a72.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56383169 nigga got heemed too

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:44:49 No.56383184

>>56383132
I fuck around with my own indicators on TradingView too. I watch NNFX on YT. One thing I want to try is my own volume/volatility indicator.

In particular, if a stock is crabbing in a range, candles also have a fairly consistent height. That means volatility is going down. If a candle breaks out of the range, the only way it can maintain a low volatility is if the candle size itself also decreases. Eg, a small candle breaking the range doesn't matter. In other words, increasing volatility means a trend is forming and it is breaking out from the sideways range. An increase in average volume can also confirm this.

I also like to look at ATR as a % of closing price. I find that tickers that are less than 1.5% tend to take up a huge amount of capital in order to maintain a 1-2% risk position size, while stuff in the 2-6% ATR are plenty volatile and I only need to post like 20% of my account in a position to get a proper trade in, which means more concurrent trades (great if I'm winning). I find that more than 8-10% ATR tends to get extremely volatile and tends to get closed very quickly unless you have a different approach (eg, sizing for 0.5% risk but then doubling your SL)

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:45:16 No.56383186 >>56383175 Yea but why was the forest quiet

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:45:38 No.56383189
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>>56383164
>I had too much coffee earlier today and now I have the worst kind of runny diarrhea and I can't reach my ass because of my weight.
You have options butter elemental bro

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:47:46 No.56383193

>>56383132
I dunno about that advice. Maybe if you're an active trader and you want to free up new capital as fast as possible, but personally I didn't have a single "loser" yet that didn't turn in a winner with enough patience. Then again, I pick solid stocks that I believe in.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:50:39 No.56383201 >>56383116 What are you shorting typically? Exclusively biotech, microcaps?

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:52:48 No.56383209
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>>56383189
Thanks for reminding me to take a shower. I usually do when I wake up and go to sleep. At least I can still get off my ass for that. I'll make sure to wash between all my cracks.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:53:40 No.56383211

>>56383193
Yes, most of the time if you buy the dip on good stocks, especially low volatility mega blue chips like PEP, UNH, WM, ROL, etc. you will profit in the long run. But as you say I'm an active trader trying to beat the market. Think about it like this: if I buy a stock or ETF and it goes up I make money. If I don't have stops I make lots of money. If I have a stop loss and it triggers occasionally I still make plenty of money just not quite as much. If the stock goes down and I don't have a stop loss I lose an indeterminant amount of money for an indeterminant amount of time. It could be a small amount or it could be a whole lot for a long time. However if I have a stop I just lose a little money and then I can redeploy that money into something else while somebody else is holding my former bags.
In short if stocks go up I make money no matter what. If they go down I lose a little bit. Without a stop I lose a lot. Hence I use stops. In effect letting winners run and cutting losers short

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 06:58:09 No.56383220

>>56383211
>>56383193
I have about $8k in bonds and like 95 WMT that I get at a 15% discount through work. I want to write CCs on it for another 1-1.5% yield and be conservative with them; my ACB is around $90-100 a share (dividends and contributions over 5 years).
I have about $6k in my active trading account, with lifetime losses of around $12k. It's going to take a long time to rebuild that capital, but my hope is to be consistently breakeven or profitable and then perhaps join a prop firm... I try to do trend trading on the daily

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:05:13 No.56383250 File: 182 KB, 1334x800, US Treasury Yield Curve 10-16-23.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yields...

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:08:18 No.56383260

>>56383211
To add to this, every strategy has to be one you can live with and it has to fit into your own context. For some people stop losses fill them with anxiety. They get stopped out then the price turns around and they feel bad. They would have been better off psychological just holding onto the losing trade until eventually it turned around. Some people are wired that way. I'm wired such that I prefer to get out of something that's not going my way and get back in when it turns around. It makes me feel good like I "beat the system". It's fun and I can stick with it. I can't stick with holding trades that are going down. Depending on the market environment I may or may not make more money in the long run but it works and it makes me feel better. It helps me stick to my system and make money which is probably the most important thing
>>56383220
>I want to write CCs on it for another 1-1.5% yield
>I try to do trend trading on the daily
I can see why people find covered calls compelling, I tend to avoid them though. Especially as part of a trend following strategy. Consider the facts of trend following. It's a strategy with a higher percentage of losing trades than winning trades yet still profitable since the big winners way more than make up for any losers. However covered calls can end up sabotaging the big trend winners. As soon as a big trend takes off your shares get called away and you miss it. Conversely, there is lots of room for options trading you can pair up with your trend following that doesn't hurt your gains and isn't correlated at all so it can help when your trend following hits a draw down. Opening broken wing butterflies on VXX for example. Or iron condors on SPY and QQQ. The upshot is you really do want option strategies that avoid capping your trend following gains. Covered calls look good because they are easy to understand and implement. They will hurt your gains though. Also, when I mentioned WM I meant Waste Management

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:11:04 No.56383269 >>56383250 >Yields keep getting higher we are so fucked aren't we?

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:11:25 No.56383271

>>56383260
Oh sorry, I meant bonds, (silver!), and WMT are my stable portfolio I dont really fuck with. The only exception is CCs for extra income, even if its conservative. My forever bags. I also have my eye on uranium, copper, sand, water, and EWW
My active trading consists of whatever system I come up with

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:12:09 No.56383272 >OMX YES, I should have shorted more, goddamn, lol. Also just woke up, fuck, I missed the bottom 10 mins ago

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:13:14 No.56383275 File: 90 KB, 1369x799, Screenshot 2023-10-17 at 00-12-57 US Treasury Yield Curve.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56383269 Only the long duration part of the curve, as inflation stays sticky.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:13:31 No.56383276 >futures https://youtu.be/ZBcQBa7nBnU?si=PORuVo6UUN2VeP8a

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:28:45 No.56383313
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>>56383269
>>56383275
Why do yields even matter and how are they even related to the stock markets? Everyone I see making a big deal about this seems like a bunch dumb dicks to me. I have yet to hear one important argument why this shit even matters.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:33:42 No.56383322 >>56383313 In a healthy market environment, bonds have an inverse correlation to equities

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:34:47 No.56383325

>>56383313
Equities compete with bonds. Also the cost to finance debt is a function of yields, especially the 10 year. For companies with a lot of debt that they have to refinance soon this is a big deal. See verizon's stock tanking because they have 150b in debt, ~50b of which is either variable rate or needs refinanced within the next 2 years.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:35:04 No.56383326

Also Scholz is an idiot. He doesn't know how to handle people of different cultures. He explicitly warns Iran and Hisbollah not to interfere. These people rather take this as a challenge then as a real warning. You don't threaten them in this way as they don't want the world to see this threat be effective against them.

>>56383313
They are a risk free "investment"? You could give your money to a bank for return, but banks often have lower rates than states (look at states with less credit rating). But I still might trust a state more than a bank. Also, other than an account @ bank you can trade bonds by selling. So if you buy when yields are high and yields fall again, you could sell them at profit. They are like a mix of a fixed rate bank account (sorry I don't know the international or US term for it, but I mean an account at bank for which they pay you interest on a fixed rate for a fixed time), and stocks as you can sell them again because they can change their value. As if you were selling your bank account contract to another person

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>>56383313
financial assets compete with one another for investor money. why would you buy a stock(or the index) if a risk free asset called a bond yields 5%-10%? it would mean the stock would need to outperform the bond because stocks dont guarantee returns, while bonds generally do(its a loan that is paid back).

bonds are considered safer and as investors age they want more bonds. when the 10 year treasury goes up in yield, it becomes more attractive to investors. the 100 year sp500 average return is 9%. imagine if lending the government money for 10 years gave you 9%(remember they own the money printer and have never failed to pay back bond holders). that would mean, there would be less demand for stocks, which would put downward pressure on stock prices. this is how bond yields/interest rates affect asset prices, not just stocks.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:38:33 No.56383334 >>56383326 Also i other words, if you follow modern port theory, you can short bonds to receive a loan at the RFR and invest in a risky asset for optimized gains

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:40:21 No.56383339

>>56383326
>>56383313
And I mean selling the contract and not also your money with it, as you get your money+profit back. By selling your bond another person simply takes the contract, the obligation the state has towards the holder to pay interest for the remaining time. But this obligation changes in value depending on interest rates, credit rating, time til expiry etc.

It's less risk than dividendfags. I'd rather buy corporate bonds than buy a stock for dividends, as the debt has to be paid first should the company go down the drain.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:44:22 No.56383350 >>56383334 How you short bonds I don't know. Have only seen inverse ETFs for bonds, or maybe some marketmakers who offer CFD on bonds which you can "sell" then.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:46:09 No.56383355 >>56383339 Would buying a junk bond and shorting a company be double dipping on negative exposure? It would be self financing and if it was safe it would be arb'd away

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:47:02 No.56383358 How are there so many people posting at 3-4 in the morning? West coast fags get out so I can post Pepe barrel rolls uninterrupted. t. woke up drunk

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:47:15 No.56383359 >>56383350 Usually shorting at RFR is for institutions and accredited investors, but its good to know the theory for learning about possible money flows. You can use fprwards and futures to simulate them, probably

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:48:33 No.56383361

>>56383313
>Why do yields even matter and how are they even related to the stock markets?
Stocks go up when people buy stocks. However if people sell stocks to lock in a guaranteed 5% gain with bonds stocks will go down. Lots of people find that 5% a compelling alternative. As yields rise the number of stock sellers and bond buyers will increase. Take into account too the number of investment advisers that will steer investors into these increasing yields and away from stocks

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:48:53 No.56383362 File: 44 KB, 660x574, 1631747230899.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56383355 Sometimes it feels like a certain group of people are constantly trying to arb my portfolio away from me

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:51:23 No.56383367

>>56383355
It would be hedging. You short and when the company dies you make profit. If the company surives you get interest by the junk bond. In such a scenario it's better if the company goes sideways or eventually drops slowly until your bonds expires as you also don't want to lose your money you invested there.

I'm shorting EU, but also bought bonds early october/end of september as a countermeasure cause I was pretty sure the market would go up, yields would go down, but I'm unwilling to buy stocks at this environment. Now I have some bonds at good rates, some I sold again at profit although very low, as it was my first time buying bonds and I wanted to try that play out. My timing also wasn't perfect as for whatever reason EU yields moved a day later as if they have a fuckin delay. EU stocks also have this sometimes and bonds/yields seem to have too...

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:52:50 No.56383372 >>56383362 I don't even know what arb means. I only know Arby's. And I don't even know if we have this here in the EU.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:53:22 No.56383374 File: 11 KB, 256x256, file.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56383358 >he doesn't watch his portfolio literally 24 hours a day ngmi

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:56:51 No.56383384

>>56383367
But youd also be paying a borrowing fee for the stock, say 4%. Suppose the bond pays 6.5%. Now youre hold all that weight to have a guaranteed 2.5%, at which point just buy a treasury. The only real situation that feels good is if you want a slow burn on a company that you feel is insolvent. But then something like GME or BBBY has an extremely high borrow cost.

Also what bonds you buying? I buy fixed income with TD. Got a couple monthly banker acceptance at 4.9%

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:57:54 No.56383392 >>56383372 Arbitrage, basically they are constantly trying to Jew me out of my money is all

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 07:58:57 No.56383395

>>56383372
Arbitrage. Risk free guaranteed returns.
It exploits market inefficiencies and often exists for minutes (or seconds) at a time and needs 6-7 figure trades to profit from it. HFT are a consequence of this.
It makes the market more liquid and is literally why "priced in" exists as a concept

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:02:31 No.56383406

>>56383384
>borrowing fee
Yeah, that is right. Didn't think of that as the CFD-brokers I use pay you interest for shorting because of the high central bank rates. They have a different formula.

I bought romanian and spanish bonds. The spanish I sold again, because I expect EU yields (not romanian though) to spike later this year or early 2024, so I would buy them again, hopefully at the same price I initially bought or cheaper.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:04:38 No.56383411 >>56383384 I just checked TLT on CMC and they pay you 1.91% p.a. for shorting it.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:06:19 No.56383417 File: 539 KB, 732x767, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] it's over

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:12:47 No.56383428 >>56383411 >>56383406 That's what I mean, CMC and IG actually pay you for shorting the market. Indices or stocks. Haven't looked at bonds/bond-etfs.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:13:21 No.56383429

>>56383406
That reminds me, I have access to CFDs (and up to 500:1 leverage, lol). Anyways I saw currencies pay you if the interest spread is in your favor
But other stuff like metals, zinc had a positive cost if long, negative if short, and nickel had negative long and positive short
Then crypto cfds had a negative carry cost if long or short

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:13:27 No.56383430 File: 383 KB, 1000x1000, 1631668690900.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I thought I saw a spek of red AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:14:05 No.56383434 >>56383428 seems sussy

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:21:46 No.56383449 >>56383434 You are the max payne faggot. C'mon show yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:24:54 No.56383456 >>56383449 I'm not

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:25:44 No.56383458 File: 279 KB, 413x446, 3245678654345678654.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You are the "I'm getting 20% p.a. to short faggot'?

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:26:23 No.56383460
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Is it possible the global economy is shrinking and the stock market has not caught up yet?

>>56383325
If large companies like Verizon need to refinance because they have a certain amount of debt on variable rate of interest with the likelihood of the FED raising rates we could see bankruptcies and massive layoffs. This will lead to an uptick in unemployment claims, more government spending, and a tightening of private sector spending. This could be rough for 2024

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:28:16 No.56383466

>>56381172
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4SGQZej9s
404
Anyway Arabic semites and jewish semites are the same people, any conflict between those too is the left hand arguing with the right hand. Europeans and anybody non-semitic has no business worrying about this.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:28:50 No.56383468 File: 134 KB, 400x524, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I have a bad feeling. Guaranteed we test the monthly low by Wednesday close

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:29:59 No.56383471 >>56383468 My QQQ puts are ready

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:31:57 No.56383477 >>56383458 It's so easy knowing which posts are yours even without the max payne pics. You are as unironically deranged and schizo as he is. Did your wife and kid get murdered by druggies too?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:33:37 No.56383482 File: 1.04 MB, 723x813, 163456789876534567.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56383477 >It's so easy knowing which posts are yours Bruv you literally called some other dude a payne poster.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:34:00 No.56383483 >>56383458 And I'm getting it.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:35:01 No.56383486 >>56383482 It wasn't him, lmao.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:35:59 No.56383489 File: 58 KB, 720x720, 1689406842880441.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56383482 I'm not the same guy you were responding to. Now answer me did some ass hole on drugs kill your family too?

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:37:05 No.56383493
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>>56383477
>It's so easy knowing which posts are yours even without the max payne pics
Yes because I recommended ORLEN and it's up 26% and you didn't buy and you envy me. Also my wife is fine pic rel.
>>56383483
Good for you.
>>56383486
Didn't check the IDs rookie mistake.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:38:38 No.56383496 >US joins >EU dies It is also right on time, 10:15 am german time. Same thing happened friday. Exactly that time EU started crashing. 10:15am is when the coffee market opens

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:40:51 No.56383500 File: 76 KB, 750x1334, file.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >VIX is up 50 bepis in premarket

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:41:42 No.56383502 File: 11 KB, 336x437, DTg3_uIX4AA_FQu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Fucking premarket

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:41:44 No.56383503 File: 785 KB, 784x749, 43567897654323245678.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56383500 >Pic LMFAO.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:42:41 No.56383507 >>56383201 shorting SPACs seems a good idea given how they are pure scam like the biotechs.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:44:02 No.56383514 We can now expect this market to rallye and die with each fuckin day as we have this israel bullshit

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:45:52 No.56383519 >>56383507 This is a good idea, since SPACs sidestep the IPO process. Also IPOs cant be shorted for 30 days but SPACs are just a business entity

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:51:20 No.56383529 File: 226 KB, 2560x1709, stop.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What is happening to futures??

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:54:26 No.56383540 File: 1009 KB, 756x700, 16578909876543242.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56383529 Just buy JingDong & Alibaba and don't look at the futures.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 08:55:54 No.56383543 It's actually really embarassing that you can clearly tell how the market changes at 10 am/ 4am EST, as then the first burgers join and dictate what EU is going to do. This EU market is so much cucked, it is shameful.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 09:04:19 No.56383560
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>>56381424
>Doesn't know "I take it" comes at the beginning of the sentence
"They are not perilous words when spoken to one of my own caste, I take it" (Twain, Connecticut Yankee).
"You are bound for the coast, I take it" (Cabell, Line of Love).
"He has not much time for composing or singing Comic Songs this morning, I take it" (Dickens, et al., Mugby Junction).

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 09:05:53 No.56383566 File: 400 KB, 2048x1152, 281.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >futures

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 09:21:34 No.56383604 >>56383543 In the big list of how boned everyone is they're boned spectacularly hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 09:26:12 No.56383615 is putting all my money into JEPI so i can take 2 months off a year from work a good strategy?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 09:42:59 No.56383653 >>56383615 No

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 09:53:43 No.56383688 indices have been dead for 1 hr

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 09:58:09 No.56383704 File: 26 KB, 292x245, 1643563854560.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Baking

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 10:01:45 No.56383715 File: 70 KB, 774x625, IMG_9303.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Funko pops Routers Coal WRXs and Luxury water manifolds

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 10:04:47 No.56383723 File: 97 KB, 287x356, 1690865217412659.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56383715 The retarded cock sucker is up

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 10:04:49 No.56383724 File: 394 KB, 2400x1350, b84387bc-9bae-4195-bf34-298b4fc77de6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>56383704 >>56383585 >>56383585 >>56383585 Baked

Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 10:08:51 No.56383734
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I got a trading competition(virtual money) coming where I got 3 weeks to make gains on any stocks in the SP500. I can only buy and sell, no shorting or margins. No options stuff. I'm trying to think of the best strategy. Obviously has to be high risk high reward. Past winners have all made around 30%-50%. Right now I'm thinking of trying to play earnings calls. Just read as much news as I can, read what the company executives are saying, how they are acting to try and get info that way. I reckon if I get lucky and get 7% pumps 5 times during that 3 week period, I might win it. I'm thinking maybe some military stocks are worth looking into and commodities related stuff. Small cap obviously better for riskier plays.

I also wonder how wild the earnings are compared to previous years since there has been a lot of uncertainty in the air which should provide for some nice volatility.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 10:25:03 No.56383780 >>56383326 >Scholz is an idiot Water is wet

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