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I am hearing from several people that are living in Eastern Europe but earning relatively high burger-tier salaries doing fully remove dev work, around 150k a year. Has anyone on here managed to do this, or know how its done as I am very eager to get in on that shit. It lets you live like a king in a relatively homogenous and peaceful society.

I always thought that these global companies pay salaries at the rates local to the country you live in though. Hence why companies do it. How are people managing to get around that? Are burgers really struggling to find devs in their local stock to the level they will pay Eastern Europeans at mutt wages? Or does it have to be EU countries only?

I must know!

>> No.56242362

Buy IOTA you phag

>> No.56242435

>>56242362
2013 called...they want their advice back

>> No.56242456

what are these numbers meant to be?

2400 euros per month is not the average in France neither the median

777 euros per month is not the average neither the median in Bulgaria

Same goes for all the countries here

Also remote workers have contracts forbiding them to work outside of the country where they are employed and as a sysadmin i can tell you we would spot you in 10 minutes if you had a burger job in Thailand or any shithole like that and you would end up fired immediately

>> No.56242503

>>56242456
> Get a friend to set up a computer in their house and pay them a trivial sum each month
> Set up the Pc as a VPN and connect via the box

How would you stop this from happening?

>> No.56242531

>>56242503
ddos your imaginary friend and see how you bypass that
i can smell a passport bro from 10km away, the same kind of faggot who put a "cool" pic of him on Teams
also you don't have friends in Thailand and Ching-Chong your "gf" don't even know what is a vpn

>> No.56242554

>>56242196
What is the country between UK and France? Did they really include Jersey and Guernsey on this map?

>> No.56242567
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>>56242554
Quoicoubistan

>> No.56242568

>>56242531
You out the vpn in America and connect to it from East Asia and earn big fat American salaries.

Also, lmao, you really think you're gonna be able to spot that in an organisation of several thousand? nigga, I bet you barely talk to anyone in Teams at all being a sysadmin.

Oh not to mention, good luck telling your corporate boss that you used company IT to ddos (literally illegal to do) someone on a hunch based on their Teams pic.

double LOL...LMAO even

>> No.56242569

>>56242456
Maybe after tax?

>> No.56242577

>>56242568
RTO is being enforced in all serious companies
you will wage in the cage deluded passport bro
and no, you won't pass your putrid genes creating a hapa

>> No.56242580

>>56242196
How the fuck are Gayreece and Poortugal so low?
Lower wages than literal communist countries

>> No.56242584

>>56242569
French people are way poorer than you think
50% of the population earn less than 1,850 euros per month an this is BEFORE income taxe
These numbers don't mean shit, this map is retard just like OP

>> No.56242600

>>56242456
I am supposed to be in the office monday through friday but I live 5 states away and haven't told them for 6 months. You're a lying degenerate faggot.

>> No.56242603

>>56242531
>>56242456
Jesus Christ you sound like a seething turbo loser. Jannies are less pathetic than you and they do it for free.

>> No.56242606

>>56242580
meds are the new third world countries of EU, keep up

>> No.56242624

>>56242606
always have been
france will follow soon because it's already 40% african

>> No.56242672

>>56242196
Youre hated in those countries as much as the pajeet that moves to the US to work for nothing + they are xenophobe in Opposition to your shithole.

>> No.56242673

>>56242577
Lots of companies are still WFH. Especially those who want to get top talent.

I can see you're still seething i blew your 'I can spot a passport bro' argument out the water, so are now clutching on straws.

Think you're just mad that you're stuck being a sysadmin in some wage cage and probably married to an overweight burger woman.

>> No.56242680

>>56242672
and yet the pajeets keep coming

>> No.56242751

>>56242680
Because US is not xenophobe. Those eastern european shitholes are though, they beat amerimutt gypsies when they find out youre existence pumps up prices for everything and everybody there.

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>>56242196
Done this in Bulgaria about a 7-8 years ago.
Grossed like 70k GBP per month, which meant around $6k/month net (since you asked in USD), barely did any work, and saved $5k+ of that, which I put into BTC.
Also lived like a king in the meantime.
>2400 euros per month is not the average in France neither the median
>777 euros per month is not the average neither the median in Bulgaria
Either net or 5-10 year old data, probably.

As for how I did my thing, it was actually a salaried job, where my company "resold me" and they had found a high-paying client. In my particular case, the client was paying 70kGBP so the company was a net loss for me, but I guess the client itself was very reputable and helping them get more work, so it worked out for all of us.

>> No.56244066

>>56243634
yes yes a bulgarian company is going to pay 70K gbp per month for a stupid anglo in his 20's

kys nigel your sister sucks mahmoud's cock

>> No.56244130

>>56244066
you must be retarded

>> No.56244142

>>56244130
work on your larp before posting stupid anglocuck
fix your teeth also otherwise Katie will keep sucking jamaican dicks

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>>56243634
>for a stupid anglo in his 20's
A stupid Bulgarian, actually.
Not that I live there anymore.
And it was a government institution, not a Bulgarian company. It also paid less to its employees in London.
Also, on the subject, you can make more money than what those 70k GBP by either joining toptal or simply working for Uber or Leanplum in Sofia ($10k/month). Nexo actually also pay quite generously, but you get the eventual break in by thugs from the prosecutor's office, so wouldn't recommend. But the average Nexo salary for a senior dev in Plovdiv is 10k bgn, in Sofia it's around 12-15k.

>> No.56244152

>>56244147
was meant for >>56244066

>> No.56244188

>>56244147
these are 2023 salaries and nexo and uber are two small companies needing only a very few employees

you bragging about making 6K$ net per month in 2015 in Bulgaria is just a huge lie but I'm used with bulgarian spitting lies because that's all they know to do

also complain about being poor and drinking alcohol like there is no tomorrow

now stop talking with me or i go out in the street and beat up the first bulgarian i see

>> No.56244193

>>56242196
>People already doing it
Sounds like you'd be buying the top.

Same as when millennials and zoomers finally retire to Thailand, and buy boomer bags of real estate that did a 20x.

I already know where you can go to make it, but I'm not telling you. Too many nonwhite zoomies here.

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56244204

>>56244188
> these are 2023 salaries
true, although Leanplum was paying even more back in the day. Epam and Luxoft were also more generous when they were starting.
> and nexo and uber are two small companies needing only a very few employees
Nexo is constantly hiring, not sure about Uber
>you bragging about making 6K$ net per month in 2015 in Bulgaria is just a huge lie
whatever you say man lmao
> but I'm used with bulgarian spitting lies because that's all they know to do
that's true ngl
> also complain about being poor and drinking alcohol like there is no tomorrow
haven't had a drink since 2020, except for one beer in 2021 lol. Also definitely not poor
> now stop talking with me
you're the faggot who's literally stalking me
> or i go out in the street and beat up the first bulgarian i see
go ahead and see how this goes, I don't live in Europe anymore

>> No.56244210

>>56244193
boomers are all getting scammed in thailand, there will be no resale of their auto-destructing condos built by literal chimps

thais are way more vicious than you think, they scam every western boomer going there

>> No.56244220

>>56244204
nexo has no real employees, this company is a complete scam only washing dirty bulgarian money

no one use this shitty website and you know it

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>>56244220
How fucking stupid are you?
They literally have billions in their proof of reserves.
Probably insolvent, which means there's even more billions in missing deposits, so people are using their website, believe it or not. I would never, because fuck Simeon, but you're 1 google search away from seeing how dumb you are.
Their office in Sofia is packed, the hundreds of people working there are netting $10k+month in a perfectly easy and stress-free job.


Could have simply said "Nexo is a SCAM and Nexoshi is a SCAMMER" then I would have agreed

>> No.56244299

>>56244241
everyone is making 50K per month in Sofia yes
the offices are packed with nexo Chads
in the streets of Sofia only lambos and bentley
deluded bulgarian, if only you knew how poor you are

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56244303

>>56244241

Pls give me my money ser

>> No.56244318

https://nexo.careers/team

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA PLEASE STOP AAHAHHAHAAHA LOOK AT THIS FUCKING TEAM FULL OF POORFAGS

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56244333

Ivan, you know what is a "software architect"?

Just put a cuck with a ladder on the pic, bratan

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Zdrasti !!!

Da we make 15,000 euros per month in Nexo

Please do not redeem sir

>> No.56244358

>>56242196
Not a single meaningful reply for OP's question. This board fucking sucks.

>> No.56244363

>>56242531
Kek. Your solution is to ddos a random host connecting to your network. What do you do when they just connect to another VPN?
I hope you get paid lots of money lol lmao even

>> No.56244369

https://bg.linkedin.com/in/jordan-cholakov-28ba1a82

10 years ago he was a call center wagie and now he is making 15,000 euros per month as a "head of risk" in Nexo

The bulgarian dream

>> No.56244385

>>56244358
>>56242456

>> No.56244392

>>56242196
While there are full remote jobs for burger companies for europoor people, you are retarded to think they get a burger salary, they get a "adjusted" salary, ive already read it multiple times in such job offers

Just look at job listings of wikimedia and you will see

>> No.56244406

>>56244392
burgers salaries are trash anyway
they look big because you speak on gross numbers
but after taxes you cucks are poorer than the average swiss

>> No.56244423

>>56244406
Not a burger and yes of course, burgers mind is literally, bigger number better, but disregard cost of living which is also big, the real black pill is that wagies are not better off anywhere really, there is no free lunch

>> No.56244491

>>56242196
I work remotely for an agency in UK in Poland. Not burger tier salary but 60-70k goes a long way there. Saved up for a house back in UK in two years which is basically cheat mode for people under 30 nowadays. Basically I was doing the work anyway and then just moved and never told anyone. Eventually they found out but didn't give a shit

>> No.56244502

>>56244491
there are no house for 120K pounds in UK except literal cucksheds

you can stop larping we are all anonymous here

>> No.56244606

>>56242435
yeah the "digital nomad" is a meme for 2 reasons

1. salaries for fully remote work are adjusting so that a remote dev is EXPECTED to live in a shithole.
2. living "like a king" is not that great if youre still working. yeah you can get food delivery every day and a nice apartment. its not satisfying, and definitely not worth moving away from family/friends

>> No.56244607

>>56242456
Im a Sr. Sysadmin, none of my contracts prohibit this. Regardless I Wireguard back to my home network in America's Dairyland, which shit for brains sysads like yourself cant detect nor do shit about. Lower your tone when speaking to me from now on.

>> No.56245005

>>56244607
senior sysadmin are losers
i will be a devops next year
enjoy resetting Shaniqua's password the 3rd time of the month loser

>> No.56245534

>>56244491
You work remotely as a dev or something else?
>>56245005
No need to get too cocky here, everyone's gotta start somewhere, right? Speaking of dev life, have you ever ventured into coding on a quantum-resistant blockchain with those sweet multi-programming language features?

>> No.56246350

Americans can take a FEIE and pay only FICA on money up to 120k per year. So effectively a 6% tax rate at 120k

>> No.56246479

why did the thread die? i want to read more nerds arguing

>> No.56247178

>>56242196
>>56244606
It's a meme for a variety of reasons.

>Live cheaply and get shitty services and poor-quality of consumer goods
>Pay a premium, and you get quality that is considered "mid" in the developed world
>Eat at a restaurant and get at best diarrhea, at worst food poisoning because your gut has not adjusted to living in the 3rd world.
>Dating is a pain because you primarily end up "dating" escorts as normal girls will quickly understand that you are a "passport bro"
>said escorts are 6s an 7s literal mids in the developed world
>Girls will ask "So anon, you just came...by yourself...here?...why?"
>Come to the realization that every girl you talk to in the foreign country sees places like the states as the defacto "cool" place to be
>Realize you are explaining why you left a "cool" place to come to their shit-hole
>People can smell you're a foreigner and will 5x the price
> VPN power outage for 4 days, good look on finding a non-blocked provider

Remote work is great if you're running your own business, sure, and can put up with the absolute shit show you will inevitably come across.
I fully understand why people are coming to the developed nations in hordes because although they suck, they are the least suckiest option.

Also, I've met some of you "passport bros" and Jesus Christ, I can completely understand why YOU would fly, halfway across the planet just to get sex.


Here's the real alpha
>Move to the countryside
>Enjoy upwards of a 60% reduction in cost of living expenses without moving to Cambodia
>Plan for 6-8 months
>Setup accounts at the local credit unions as they have the BEST & LOWEST lending terms from cars to personal loans
>Debt max on crypto
>Bang rural chicks and not worry about STDS/HIVs
>Go wherever and mog the fuck out of everyone

>> No.56248219

>>56242196
You need all three of these to work remote while travelling/geo hacking.

1. Not be a U.S citizen, be from a country that has lax rules on taxation for people who left their country.
2. Find a job from a U.S company or a relatively high paying worldwide remote job.
3. Setup an LLC in wyoming/NM (best), Dubai (best but needs 1 visit every 180 days), UK. Collect salary in your company as a contractor and pay yourself a salary.

Very few people are able to pull this off. Hence the huge arbitrage and savemaxx opportunity.

t. Been there done that. Saved up 90% of my salary over 7 years from 2011-2018. Now retired at 35.

>> No.56248226

>>56246479
>i want to read more nerds arguing
Isn't this all of 4chan?

>> No.56248473

>>56242569
This is after tax

>> No.56248477

>>56248473
>>56242569
Before taxes*, im a dumbass

>> No.56249573

>>56242196
i'm doing this right now in coastal montenegro (prices going up tho cuz lots of russians moving here). i'm a smart contract dev. a lot of these shaddy web3 companies will pay a lot but won't care where you live.

>> No.56249600

>>56249573
Nice.

Im getting the impression its gotta be done with these smaller start up type companies who are less likely to care when compared to big corps.

How did you land that gig?

>> No.56249609

>>56248219
i retired at 23 by paying myself a salary from a LLC in Delaware and working as a cashier at Target + ramen maxxing during high school

it's easy to get rich, you just hand your llc papers at the closest supermarket and collect taxes + dividends on it then you mortgage your house with a shark loan and you buy Bitcoin at the dip and proceed to sell the macro top

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56249614

>>56249600
he larped for 10 years on /b/ before coming out as a professional /biz/ larper

>> No.56250183

>>56242456
>would spot you in 10 minutes
lmao no

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>>56248219
>Very few people are able to pull this off
Wasn't always the case.
Cyprus was an amazing spot to set up the LLC but they went full brainlet 2 years ago so they ruined a perfectly good thing.
A Dubai IFZA company will set you back almost $10k the first year, and $6-7k/year onwards since they require you to rent an office (and conveniently, there's fake coworking places in the same building where they set it up for you).
The rest of the free zones are not applicable for codemonkeys, and obviously mainland Dubai is not tax free, and definitely not hassle-free.
I'd say it was easy to pull it off 10 years ago, now it's next to impossible unless you're ballin with a $250k+ salary.
But if you're making that much, would you seriously risk it all by offering all those gymnastics to your employer? I wouldn't.
Those 70k GBP that seemed too much for the low iq anon above were the highest salary I've ever been paid by an employer and even without crypto, they would have made me a millionaire within a decade. $250k - imo just suck it up and pay, unless you legit owe 70% in some commie hellhole like France or sth.
>>56249573
Most beautiful place on the Balkans tbqh, well played.
>>56249609
Doesn't this go against CFC rules or whatever their US equivalent is?
Maybe you took advantage when it was still a thing, but I'm pretty sure it isn't nowadays.

>> No.56252361

>>56242531
>i can smell a passport bro from 10km away
why does men going to foreign countries and getting laid anger so many people in america? why should average men stay and suffer when they can have a gorgeous feminine 18 year old european/latin/asian girlfriend?