Income tax is illegal

[Anonymous No.56067738]

Everybody knows this btw, there used to be no income tax anyhwere in the world until around 1900
Property tax is illegal, if you have something where you need to pay a yearly fee to not get it seized, you dont have it.
Therefore property tax is the government illegally seizing your property.
Fixed taxes are obviously illegal, its just extortion and was used on occupied land.
VAT is discussable, should only be used in war times, car tax should be used only for roads.
Trade tax and costum tax and the only legitimate taxes, the main income source of states should come from MONEY PRINTING.

[Anonymous No.56067749]

>>56067738
Libertarians are literally boys who live in fantasy lands in their head

[Anonymous No.56067751]

>>56067749
Im not even lolbertarian, im on the right wing, but the governments all around the world obviously implemented slavery

[Anonymous No.56067759]

>>56067751
>but it did go back
to make room for VAT

[Anonymous No.56067771]

>>56067749
>DUDE IF YOU DON'T LIKE BEING RAPED BY THE GOVERNMENT THEN YOU MUST BE A LOLBERTARIAN LOL
What causes this kind of retardation?

[Anonymous No.56067773]

>>56067749

maybe but it's not impossible. During the guided era the government functioned entirely on tolls, and tariffs.

OP is going further and allowing for car tax to provide for road construction and VAT for emergencies.

It would be a much smaller government but possible.

I guess the only thing missing are police and fire infrastructure. But I think we could do that without taxation - ie. voluntary subscriptions to fire or police service of our choice. Probably would be a lot less corrupt than the current police service

Although you would still need federal or state police and military for the really bad areas who chose to have no police service and for major crimes. But tariffs would probably be enough to cover that

[Anonymous No.56067782]

>>56067751
>>56067771
>>56067773
>dude what if like taxes didn't exist bro
Grow up

[Anonymous No.56067787]

>>56067773
you are all 10 years old if you think you could run a modern state by levying tariffs and a road tax for the roads and thats about it.

[Anonymous No.56067790]

>>56067782
They literally did not exist 150 years ago
And we have way better tools to produce food and products nowadays so it should be much easier

[Anonymous No.56067791]

>>56067751
wait is this real, between 1900 and 1920 the rich went from paying less than 20% tax to paying 80% tax and they didn't revolt or complain.

No of course it's bullshit because we know that the rich in US do not currently pay 40% tax. They pay capital gains tax which is between 0 to 20% of income depending on earnings

[Anonymous No.56067794]

>>56067787
Money printing is the big one....you know who profits today from it?
But yes 90% of government workers including military and police should be fired

[Anonymous No.56067800]

>>56067782
grow up isn't an argument

>>56067787

why? What has become essential for government in the modern era that was not essential in the 1900s?

I suppose social security is the only thing but that is achieved through things like unemployment insurance so I really can't think of anything

[Anonymous No.56067803]

>>56067791
Its marginal tax, the tax of the last dollar earned
And well they were happy they did not get communism i think. Also its a WAGIE TAX, the rich rich have and had loopholes

[Anonymous No.56067810]

>>56067751
>>56067771
>>56067773
>>56067790
>>56067800
>Because I don't like them
Not an argument kids

[Anonymous No.56067812]

>>56067782
bootlicker

[Anonymous No.56067825]

>>56067810
I gave exact arguments you scum
I refuted your arguments aswell

[Anonymous No.56067826]

>>56067810
My argument is not I don't like them (I mean I don't but that isn't the agreement I'm using) , it's we could exist just fine without them.

I think OPs point is that we have existed without them just fine historically and I added that sure, I think we could pay for essential government needs with tolls tariffs and emergency VATs

Now if the majority wants them for some weird masochistic reason fine, I don't care. But then you'd have to at least agree that taxation is not a matter of necessity but a matter of prefernce

[Anonymous No.56067836]

>>56067810
you will never have a real vagina

[Anonymous No.56067848]

>>56067826
what kind of life would you expect to lead under this system?

[Anonymous No.56067855]

>>56067848

one rather similar to the life I lead now

I mean there are countries today with no income tax,

Bermuda, Monaco, the Bahamas, and the United Arab Emirates

I shouldn't be some unimaginable fantasy and it shouldn't conjure up some mad max style anarchic fantasy. It was real historically and there are regular, middle income nations today that get by fine without it

[Anonymous No.56067859]

>illegal
And yet they're enforced by the police and the law everywhere. Define "illegal"
>Muh natural law
Nobody cares, especially not the people with power that will ruin your life

Pay up

[Anonymous No.56067860]

>>56067826
this guy fucks
and is not a troon

[Anonymous No.56067867]

>>56067855
how would the state make up for that loss in income tax receipts?

[Anonymous No.56067872]

>>56067738
my crypto exchange doesn't send me any tax forms whereas my bank does for interest in a savings account. so if i were to cash out of crypto, how would anyone know if neither the exchange nor i report it?

[Anonymous No.56067879]

>>56067872
if you profit more than $600, Coinbase will send a 1099 to you and the IRS

[Anonymous No.56067889]

>>56067867
By offering fewer services. Much fewer.

Ie. today the state pays for roads. In this world the state would still do roads but by charging drivers directly (those who use the roads pay for it). This way someone like me, who commutes to work on a bike wouldn't have to pay so Joe can drive his SUV.

I think public transit would still exist. Many african countries have better and cheaper public transportation than we do, because it's all privately run.

Police and fire would have to be run as a subscription service.

So in the end - how is that reality that different from the reality I lead now. I guess I may have to pay slightly more for subway and bus service. But that's still a maybe because I hear Tokyo's subway is profitable and it's a lot better than the dinky public transport network they have in my city which is priced similar to theirs

[Anonymous No.56067891]

>>56067859
Well yes because we life in a slave system.

[Anonymous No.56067901]

The laws have been implemented by a representative government, voted in by the majority.
It is legal if they declare it so.

If you don't like it, renounce citizenship and form a new sovereign nation. However, if you choose this path you must prepare to defend yourself. They will likely take every opportunity to remove you from your land by force, declare your individual rights invalid, and throw you in their jails.
Even if you succeed in gaining true control over your land, you will be alone. Economic sanctions are guaranteed. There will be no trade possible, you must be ready to become entirely self-sufficient.

[Anonymous No.56067906]

>>56067889
you are too young to be here (the internet)

[Anonymous No.56067912]

>>56067889
... I pay for police in the current reality through taxes, in this reality I would have to pay for police service voluntarily.

I would prefer that because I've had to call the police twice in my life, and my brother once. Both times the police took about 24 hours to arrive for me. My brother who called about being defrauded had the cops laugh in his face and do nothing. Subscription police service is preferable as far as I'm concerned and I think most people would choose it if given the option

[Anonymous No.56067921]

>>56067912
this is genuinely the most retarded board on any chan.

[Anonymous No.56067925]

>>56067906
well if you're so convinced of your maturity and superior intellect, it should be easy to refute me

all you would have to do is name one thing of value we get with taxes that we wouldn't be able to get without income tax

All you have to do to refute me is to just name one thing. Instead you're resorting to namecalling because you're unwilling to admit that you can't even name a single thing

[Anonymous No.56067942]

>>56067889
>By offering fewer services. Much fewer.
Yes, what comes to my mind is military and police which needs massive cuts, all social programms financed by the government which need to go to 0. Intelligence agencies which should ONLY work vs foreign states (its illegal to use it vs your own citizens anyway). Schools and universities need cuts and reduction in time. Bureaucracy needs a 90% cut. No Programs for foreigners aswell.

[Anonymous No.56067943]

>>56067925
your entire existence is predicated on living in a country with the resources to allow you to post this inane shit on the internet, and in return you have to exchange some of your labor.

[Anonymous No.56067948]

>>56067901
well it's actually a lot easier than that. You could just save up or get enough skills and move to Bahamas Bermuda or one of the UAE countries. There done, no tax just like that.

It's actually not even that out of reach for most people in the US. I think the reason it's not happening is because most people actually don't care too much about taxes or money.

I mean no one really likes it, but it's not a huge fighting issue for most people

[Anonymous No.56067956]

>>56067848
A more natural life.
Governments make life only worse.
>>56067867
As i said btw, the main thing is money printing.
>>56067901
Democrazy is stupid. But well yes your argument is similar to one before, power goes before rights>>56067891

[Anonymous No.56067968]

>>56067943
The government does it for free.
To control people.
And if you work you get most taken away.

[Anonymous No.56067979]

>>56067943
That's not true, the internet and freedom of speech would exist with or without the income tax

>>56067942

Police would be funded more (subscription service) meaning we'd probably spend more on them than we do now.

This can be filled in by state and federal police through tariffs and tolls and fines etc.

No intelligence agencies - that was the dream of JFK, Robert Kennedy and Nixon. Not such a bad thing.

Universities getting cuts - I guess, but I thik tuition is more than enough to run universities. I think this cry for federal funding they do all the time is mostly bull

social programs and programs for foreigners - I think you're talking about welfare.

Here is an example from my city.

We have two shelters for homeless youth. One is run by a church, and the other is run by the government. The church one is nice, it has rules, no drugs, a curfew and things designed to change the people. The government one doesn't bother - all the drugs you want, no curfew, and the conditions are squalor

We can do welfare. Historically we the people have always done welfare. The new deal only came about to solve a temporary problem - the great depression (which incidentally we now know was caused by the government - it's consensus that governments failure to expand monetary supply caused it)

Well it's not the great depression anymore, so why not give private charity back it's traditional role. Why the insistence that the government do it when all I see is them perpetuating the conditions of poverty rather than fixing it

[Anonymous No.56067984]

>>56067738
higher incomees should be taxed a lot
lower income taxes really don't make sense

[Anonymous No.56068023]

>>56067979
Im european i have to say, universities are free and you get paid by the government to attent. Therefore cuts are fine.

[Anonymous No.56068025]

>>56067948
>You could just save up or get enough skills and move to Bahamas Bermuda or one of the UAE countries.
This is the more realistic option, but it's not a true solution. You're trading slavery to the american empire for obedience to some middle eastern kings.
In the end it's the same point though - you need to decide what matters to you, and how much you care.

If you despise taxes, the only escape is to move somewhere with no taxes, or form a big enough group of like-minded individuals to change the system where you live. As much as we like to pretend to believe in some universal ethics or morals, in the end it really all comes down to power.

Most people really don't care one way or another. They're content as long as they have food, water, shelter, and some kind of basic purpose.

[Anonymous No.56068056]

>>56068025
well it's not just middle eastern kings, there's also Monaco which is an European king. But yeah all in all I think what we can learn from this thread is that democracies such and are totalitarian shitholes while absolute monarchies are based and give their citizens the greatest freedom and property rights

[Anonymous No.56068130]

>>56068056
Monarchies are not inherently superior. If you piss off the king, even unintentionally, you face exile or possibly beheading. Technically there are similar legal risks in the western world though..
When it comes to fiscal policy anyway, Monarchies do tend to be more consistent. Here in the US we waffle every 4 years on pretty much every major policy. Impossible to rely on subsidies and expect to accomplish anything real. Grifts and scammers abound, on both sides of the party line. That kind of transition only happens in monarchies upon succession. Typically, even a new generation of rulers will choose to maintain similar policies to most of his father's.

The nice thing is that you can vote with your feet. If things start to look questionable, just leave. If you want to live your best life, go where you're treated best.
Personally I'm pretty content to stick around in the US. I'm comfy, I have plenty, and I'm out of wagecuckoldry living smoothly off my investments. As a US citizen, I'm a slave to the empire even if I do move. Federal taxes still apply to foreign earned income of non-resident citizens above a floor of ~100k. I believe we are the only country that does this. It would be a multi-year effort to renounce citizenship and I simply don't care enough to struggle through that process.

[Anonymous No.56068196]

>>56067738
Yea its an unapportioned tax.
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/taxation/publications/abataxtimes_home/19nov/19nov-counterpoint-jensen-unapportioned-wealth-tax/
An Unapportioned Wealth Tax Has Constitutional Problems

The amendment which supposedly overturned the constitutional protections against unapportioned taxes was never ratified by the required number of states.

[Anonymous No.56068202]

https://www.taxnotes.com/tax-history-project/tax-history-originalist-misunderstandings-income-and-repatriation-tax/2023/06/30/7gxlm
This is essentially a snopes tier debunking of "those dumb originalists who actually take the original meaning of the constitution at face value" with "living document" subversion, a-la-Ginsberg.

[Anonymous No.56068207]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFGDSfw4Zls
Strange But True: U.S. Supreme Court Ruled Income Tax Is Unlawful

[Anonymous No.56068208]

>>56068130
yeah I hear that alot,

If you don't like how things are here (in Canada) leave.

I guess sure. But leaving a country and starting a new life in another country is actually hard, it's a long term investment that you have to save up for and you have to have a country willing to take you etc. You can't just pick up and move.

It's also not something open to most people. I don't think the average wagie has the money in terms of savings or the in demand skill set to be able to pick up and move.

[Anonymous No.56068473]

>>56067738
bump

[Anonymous No.56068967]

>>56068196
The fact alone that they needed an amendment for the income tax tells you something

[Anonymous No.56069289]

>>56067738
Property tax is illegal, if you have something where you need to pay a yearly fee to not get it seized, you dont have it.
I don't know man, I like property tax. Probably shouldn't apply to your primary place of residence but it definitively should to everything else. You don't want people hogging land and doing nothing with it.

[Anonymous No.56069319]

>>56067771

Don't waste your time Anon. 80% of 4chan is Redditors and Glowies.

The only real 4channers are Right-Libertarians, "Alt-Right" EthnoNats and Kekistanies (Clown-Worlders).

[Anonymous No.56069341]

>>56069319
>The only real 4channers are Right-Libertarians, "Alt-Right" EthnoNats and Kekistanies (Clown-Worlders).
I can't even tell you which I am anymore. Clown Worlder profiting from a career with an insane globalist company. Building a healthy white family, with no interest in anything more than my town and a few friends beyond it. The country can and should burn.

[Anonymous No.56069434]

>>56069289
It should at least not count for the first residence yes

[Anonymous No.56070383]

>>56067889
>I think public transit would still exist. Many african countries have better and cheaper public transportation than we do, because it's all privately run.

[Anonymous No.56071181]

>>56070383
here in my city in the west buses are invariably late, you will constantly run into late buses

When I lived in Africa you would never have late buses, they were always on time, and there would be tons of them. Why, they all look like this and they are owned by private citizens trying to make money. Ie. these guys rush through as fast as they can, try and pick up as many people as they can, and try to be as respectful as they can, because it's their money on the line.

Here in my city, people tried to open up their own bus routes to compete with the government, unfortunately they couldn't because it's illegal to operate private bus service within the city