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55677514 No.55677514 [Reply] [Original]

They can't get away with this.
>Fed approves hike that takes interest rates to highest level in more than 22 years
>The Federal Reserve approved a much-anticipated interest rate hike that takes benchmark borrowing costs to their highest level in more than 22 years.
>The quarter percentage point increase will bring the fed funds rate to a target range of 5.25%-5.5%.
>While policymakers indicated at the June meeting that two rate hikes are coming this year.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/26/fed-meeting-july-2023-.html

>> No.55677525

>>55677514
>They can't get away with this
Just did

>> No.55677529

not only can they get away with it, people want it

>> No.55677533

>>55677514
>Oh no our debt is spiraling out of control, whatever shall we do??
>Let's farm the goys and threaten them that we'll take their lives away if they don't pay up, after we threw away their past 20 years of taxes, familial wealth, and infiltrated their personal wellbeing for another 5 years cause we can't be bothered to recover the spin right now
>Great idea Mr Powell! Add another 0.25% to the python script!

>> No.55677560

>>55677525
>>55677529
The situation is fluid. They'll be forced to cut rates by the end of the year. The economy will collaspe if rates stay high.

>> No.55677789

>>55677560
>The economy will collaspe if rates stay high.
Two more weeks.

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>It's the apocalypse because of 5.5%

>> No.55678129

>>55677560
The economy will collapse if consoomers don't get their prices brought back down via deflation. The average American has 10k in credit card debt. Fuck, I have 4k in a 0% loan that jumps to 28.9% after 18 months because my A/C went out and despite living like a hermit on 95k pretax salary I struggle to save up a sufficient emergency fund with every fucking thing being 100% more expensive than it was in 2019. Normoid pay check to paycheck debtard consoomers are utterly fucked beyond belief.

>> No.55678161

>>55678129
You became the one thing you hate, a consooomer fagot

>> No.55678180

Just stop individual consumption you fucking retards. This is the folly of individualism where everyone has to do something on their own instead of pooling resources like rent space and food. Organize some friends, buy food wholesale and cook for each other, do the same with transport and housing and you will be alright.

>> No.55678193

>>55677560
yeah yeah, I remember when faggots like you were saying they can't raise interest rates at all.

>> No.55678206

>>55678180
>just live like a prole goy!
lol so this is what it has come to? How about organizing to return to the gold standard so they can't just print money endlessly and cause issues like this in the first place?

>> No.55678240

>>55678206
That;s what everyone else around the world does when times get hard. But because you live alone in your expensive woodshed and drive a uselessly large fuel guzzler 100km to work everyday, the concept of shared resources is alien to you which is why you will continue complaining and suffering.

>> No.55678317

>>55678240
>That;s what everyone else around the world does when times get hard.

Well if America becomes "everywhere else in the world" then it's truly over.

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>>55678240
>But because you live alone in your expensive woodshed and drive a uselessly large fuel guzzler 100km to work everyday, the concept of shared resources is alien to you which is why you will continue complaining and suffering.

>> No.55678429

>>55677560
You know markets crash when they pivot though right?

>> No.55678504

>>55678180
Shut the fuck up COMMIE.

>> No.55678593

>>55677514
you bears are literally ALWAYS WRONG

>> No.55678603

>>55678206
The dude gives you an option to succeed the way everyone else in history has and you’re being a faggot about it. If you want to travel fast go alone, if you want to travel far go with friends.

We need to form gangs to express ourselves upon the ruling class.

>> No.55678632

>>55677514
I still can't believe how shortsighted nu/biz/ is. Anyone with a functioning prefrontal cortex and especially those who long know this is for the best.

>> No.55678781

>>55677514
And that’s a good thing!

>> No.55680739

>>55678129
>struggling on a $95k yearly salary
>unplanned home maintenance has to go on a credit card
ngmi

>> No.55680744

>>55678193
They can't. The system is about to break.

>> No.55680759

>>55678632
>crashing the economy with no survivors is a good thing
You have no idea how bad things are about to be if the fed doesn't pivot asap.

>> No.55680769

>>55680744
Thats what they actually want though, the whole point of crashing the economy is to kill demand and destroy money velocity. They would rather destroy the dollar than actually cause hyper inflation because the chosen people knows what happens if they allow that.

>> No.55680788

so im pretty brain dead and potato, what does this mean exactly? dont go and get a home loan during the rate hike? what will this affect in general?

>> No.55680860

>>55680769
>because conspiracy theory
Into the trash it goes

>> No.55680872

>>55680788
Everything gets more expensive for consumers. Corporations are passing on their increased costs and making higher profits than ever.

>> No.55680891

>>55680759
Be me, 22 years old. Earn about 70k pretax in a flyover state. Live with parents while I get feet under me and build up savings. Why would I not want everything to come crashing down? I can’t afford a ghetto cuckbox given current prices of homes with rates this high (30 yr mortgage is over 7% and I’m 22 with a short credit history so I’m not going to get the best rate). So if rates are going up, that leaves homes coming down as my other option. I’d love to see those leveraged Air bnb and tik tok landlord faggots have their world come crashing down. I’ll acquire their house at 20% under intrinsic value as well.

>> No.55680900

>>55680860
No kidding “destroy the dollar to avoid hyperinflation” if that isn’t word salad then I don’t know what is

>> No.55680925

>>55677514
If you can't make money in what is clearly about to be an obvious bear economy, then you wouldn't make money in a bull one.
Just short auto manufacturers.

>> No.55680949

>>55677514
Theyre just milking goyim for debt and turning everyone into slaves. Saddle you with debt at extreme rates, then level off the inflation and make you pay.

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>>55678180
You should kill yourself immediately.

>> No.55681004

>>55680900

Its actually quite simple, and nothing they clearly arent already getting ready to do.

What the fuck do you think CBDC's are for?

>> No.55681006

>>55680872
Anything that is traditionally bought and sold on credit from financial institutions gets more expensive. There are a lot of upstream implications for this, but a lot of those same goods actually drop in value.
>houses
Lower evaluation since almost nobody pays cash for homes, landlords included. Construction is likely to slow down as developers can't finance new builds, however; that means lowering timber, copper, concrete, and steel prices.
>vehicles
Typically a fixed cost for production, so fixed(ish) sales cost. Expect lower sales figures, so drops in steel and electronics prices as well.
I'd hold puts on steel right now. Maybe short a few manufacturers, and plan on buying IE bonds. Things will bottom out soon enough, then we should all go on a buying spree.

>> No.55681029 [DELETED] 

>>55678180
This is actually how a lot of shitskins manage to own businesses after 3-5 years showing up without ever having used deodorant.

They organize along extended families and racial communities and pool resources to make sure their money is reinvested in their families and their racial community by living together, hiring each other and lending money to start businesses internally.

When you buy something on Amazon a dropshitting poo or chink makes a couple of bucks half a world away and the rest is slurped by Amazon, never to be seen in your community.

>> No.55681096

>>55681029
And the sheer amount of butthurt tenants / wagies getting mad at that Anon's post calling him a communist should be proof enough of having struck a painful nerve.

The truth is the average American in particular has been conditioned to be a debt baggie from birth and gets violently mad when told that's why they're in debt and poor with no prospects, also at the sight of cyclists in the shoulder lane but that's a deeper psychological scar than buying Jordan's on credit.

>> No.55681114 [DELETED] 

>>55681029
They also eat poop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04
As far as jeets go, I knew a guy who managed buildings for a chain apartment corporation and the jeets were always his biggest frustration. They would have a limit of like 4 people to a unit, like husband wife 2 kids, and the jeets would bring like 18 people into one unit. Put their mattresses all over the floor, a pipe bursts or shit breaks and they dont tell anyone. So yea he finds out theres a water leak after the people downstairs report it and he goes to fix it, apartments full of these cockroach jeets and the entire floor is flooded, seeping through the roof. Needs to fix the entire roof and anti-mold into adjoining apartments and like tens of thousands of dollars in work, on top of the loss of use of the apartments since people need to move until its done and then they have to go after 18 jeets all named Muhammad Jaffar Pajeetington or Jaffar Muhammad Jaffar or Muhammada Pajeetinging Muhammad Jaffar. Thats one way they scam the taxi industry, they have 18 names and so when they get pulled over theyre all Muhammad Jaffar. Use 1 ID, car never stops moving.

>> No.55681144

>>55678129
you make almost twice as much as me and I've never had less than a $20k cushion for a decade. you're paycheck to paycheck goycattle yourself.

>> No.55681153

>>55677514
>inflation at 3% and rapidly dropping almost at target 2%
>TIME TO HIKE RATES MORE DURRRR

Abolish. The. Fed.

>> No.55681180

>>55678180
This is the way.
The jew fears the white man communes hence hyper-individualism was pushed onto people so hard from all media front and any initiative of individuals coming together and sharing resources was stomped out by the roots calling them cults and burning them alive ie Waco. Now they label them white supremacist groups.

>> No.55681195

>>55681180
Communism is jewish. Communes are a jewish communist larp. Bernie Sanders lived in a commune, he never did any work. Just like real life. Communes are just jewish slave schemes on a smaller scale, a way for a bunch of parasites to leech off others. Everyone works, you dont work you dont eat.

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>>55677560

>> No.55681321

>>55681029
I read posts like this and I wonder. This is not what white people deserve for raping the shit out of every country they colonized? Your grandfathers exploited a people and Siphoned their resources (for the British empire) and now you're surprised they are cockroaches. I'm honestly curious what your opinion on this is. If you beat a dog everyday can you be mad at it when it eventually bites you?

>> No.55681429

>>55681321
>If you beat a dog everyday can you be mad at it when it eventually bites you?
>109 countries

>> No.55681807

>>55681429
You Anglos weaponized the Jews to be your money men. Stop trying to externalize.

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>>55681029
Black Americans even pulled that off with Greenwood, OK once.
They WAZ KANGZZZ
Verification not required.

>> No.55681836

>>55677560
>The economy will collaspe if rates stay high.
it's a comedy show and you're the stooge
honk honk

>> No.55681841

>>55678193
>they can't raise
they can raise all they want
the treasury cannot pay the interest
unless of course, they sell more bonds to pay the old creditors (ponzi scheme)

guess who's going to buy those bonds

>> No.55681845

>>55681807
Jews weaponized Anglos using money, anon.

Anglos are just upset they aren't getting their money (and higher quality of life) anymore.

>> No.55681991 [DELETED] 

>>55681845
The House of Normandy and other British elite knew damn well what they were doing with Jews like the Rothschilds they weren't just sitting without agency in the process.

>> No.55682276

>>55681991
>109 countries
Nothing is stopping it from becoming 110. How many golden ages throughout history were preceded by the abolition of jews?

>> No.55682305

>>55681321
>This is not what white people deserve for raping the shit out of every country they colonized?
>deserve
topkek
Morality, guilt, blaming, deserving, justification etc. is for the dumb and gullible. Everybody is guilty of something and everybody who kvetches instead of solving a problem are just as guilty. The saudis got just as rich as "white" people from the oil they sold.

>> No.55682326

>>55677514
Combine this with zoomers now having to pay back student loans and that means recession is imminent. most likely will start to show it's ugly head around october.

>> No.55682765

>>55678240
>>55678317
These are both fair points worth considering.

>> No.55683125

>>55677560
>The economy will collaspe if rates stay high.
And hyperinflation will happen if they keep being pussies

>> No.55683133

>>55681029
>They organize along extended families and racial communities and pool resources to make sure their money is reinvested in their families and their racial community by living together, hiring each other and lending money to start businesses internally.
Why don't whites do this?

>> No.55683175

>>55683133
>freemason digits
gee I wonder why

>> No.55683179

>>55677560
Economy collapses then the stocks crash faggot more of 4Q 23 to 1Q 24

>> No.55683184

>>55678180
>MMT smoothbrain

>> No.55683215

>>55678129
This is actually mostly true. Prices right now are not sustainable and they will only get worse. Something is going to have to give at some point, but wages are sure as Hell not going to go up meaningfully and prices sure as Hell aren't coming down, so it doesn't look good. The country is legitimately decomposing and the worst hasn't even hit most people yet. Just wait until the average asshole ends up with a parent who can't wipe their ass anymore or can't walk and they get to taste that "best healthcare in the world" when the hospital tosses them out on the street and says "good luck with that!"

I'm sure these people living paycheck to paycheck are going to enjoy their new $6,000 a month nursing home bill and you better fucking believe insurance doesn't cover that. Wait until they switch student loan payments back on. Wait until all these women in their 30s without kids suddenly get nailed by the torrential downpour of a realization that they missed the bus on having them. And on and on. The horrors that await most people are incomprehensible. There's a good reason a lot of people who can manage it are bailing the fuck out of the country right now and even THEY are getting confronted with certain realizations like the U.S. doesn't just let you leave.

>> No.55683233

>>55677560
>The economy will collapse
FTFY

>> No.55683338

> FED APPROVES HIGHEST RATE HIKE IN 22 YEARS

25bps is nothing new

>> No.55683380

>>55678206
>How about organizing to return to the gold standard so they can't just print money endlessly
Those are very dangerous words you just said. Do you want to get "neutralized"?

>> No.55683394

>>55678180
THIS SO MUCH!! WE CAN JUST GO TO COLLECTIVE CONSUPTION INTEAD!! :D

>> No.55683404

Canada did a 75bps hike, bet mutts don't have the balls to do that

>> No.55683413

Can't say I really get the logic of this latest hike. Inflation is like 3% annualized, and that still includes a high month or two from 2022. We're basically down to 2.5% now, I thought the Fed's goal was 2%. Yeah the stock market's booming, but last I looked it's not the Fed's job to keep the DOW "in check." They're supposed to keep inflation low and keep people employed. They've already achieved this.

>> No.55683621

>>55683133
That's what mennonites and huddarites do

>> No.55683649

you guys know this will be the last rate hike this year before it comes down right?

>> No.55683705

>>55678129
just open the window you god damned faggot
ngmi

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>>55678129

>> No.55684044

they are stockpiling as much fuel as they can so they can throw it into the overheating boiler. they know the rate hikes aren't cooling anything down. they just want something to slash with reckless abandon when the inevitable comes. it's like a man with a noose around his neck climbing higher and higher before he jumps. the pretense of rate hikes is entirely gone, rates exist only to be cut.

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>> No.55684246

>>55678206
Hey! Cool it with the antisemitism!

>> No.55684718

>>55681321
Every single ethnic group over a population of 1m is descended from an empire that, at one point, was the strongest in the world and did the same "raping the shit out of" that you seem to only think Britain did.

>> No.55684788

>>55684044
Your metaphor, nor explanation, make any sense.

>> No.55684817

>>55678129
>struggling on 95k/y

retarded, what the fuck are you spending your money on

>> No.55684847

>>55677560
The economy isn't real dumbass
The recent job claims have proven the data is manipulated by the corrupt bidens

>> No.55685049

>>55681029
there is enoug hland on this earth for each man to have his own patch anon shutup

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>>55677560
The mandate of the Fed isn't to make the numbers in your portfolio go up, it's to make sure inflation doesn't spiral out of control. They've done a fantastic job of it so far.

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>>55681029
>They organize along extended families and racial communities and pool resources to make sure their money is reinvested in their families and their racial community by living together, hiring each other and lending money to start businesses internally.

This is a lie. This only works if you're a minority living in a foreign country that you have NO CHOICE but to look out for each other. Here in my country the Philippines, families often have one person doing all the hard work while the rest are just leeches or do not contribute in any meaningful way. That means that one person (usually the eldest son or daughter of the family) has immense pressure put on him or her to finish school, get a high paying job and taking care of the parents and his younger siblings. Usually, the household kinda prospers a little but the eldest then becomes depressed, overworked and stressed. When the eldest becomes sick or needs help financially/emotionally, the people he/she has helped turn a blind eye to them. This creates resentment that usually boils over into big family fights, eldest being ostracized and disowned for not doing enough or for outing the family's dirty laundry and for daring to stop the abuse. 3rd world shitholes remain a shitholes for a reason. Stop romanticizing collectivism, it's not as great as you paint it out to be.

>> No.55685311

>>55681214
top signal

>> No.55685327

>>55683413
>Inflation is like 3% annualized
CPI is fake, real inflation is much higher and they know it, thus the rate hikes

if Powell means what he says, he won't cut until large institutions start going bust and threaten the very system

>> No.55685402

>>55681321
go watch all the Walt Bismarck videos on bitchute and then apologize for doing 9/11

>> No.55685626

FED is going to keep on raising interest rates unti iinflation is under control at 2%. Eventually something is going to break since people are not going to buy stuff with high interest such as car financing forwhich will lead to deflation and a recession with job losses causing a housing crash since people can't afford mortgage payments.

>> No.55685845

>>55683133
because whites are big on kicking their children out at 18 instead of supporting them so they can achieve greater success faster.

>> No.55686082

>>55677560
Lmfao no just the housing market in the great planes, south and southwest

>> No.55686154

>>55683133
Whitoids are subhuman and killed their families with shit like feminism, sexual liberalism and abortion. Probably 3/4 of Gen Y and Z won't even have kids at all.

>> No.55686157

>>55677514
This was EXPECTED. Have you not been paying attention?

>> No.55686163

>>55685240
Lmao are you retarded inflation has been out of control for 2 years now.

>> No.55686177

>>55683621
Mormons too

>> No.55686227

>>55684817
It’s about 5k a month after taxes. Ain’t much he can do.

>> No.55686237

>>55686227
if that's 5k after taxes your employer is giving you shit healthcare and you live in the wrong state.

>> No.55686244

>>55686227
I earn $550 a month and doing fine.
you're retarded with money

>> No.55686305

>>55681321
Whites' colonization of the planet wasn't [race] [hurting] other people, it was [group of humans] [outcompeting] others by way of technological innovation. Anyone would have done what whites did had they managed to invent guns and ships before them (people like Ottomans and Asian nomads did plenty of "raping the shit out of"), there's no reason to take it personally unless you're a butthurt descendant of the conquered with an inferiority complex. Blame your weak ancestors if you're gonna be like that

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>>55685240
lol lmao. The Fed's job is to pump the oligarchs bags you dumb little statist
---m2
1970: $0.5T
1980: $1.5T
2000: $4.5T
2020: $15T
2023 $20.8T

---mspus (median sales price of US houses sold)
1970: $24k
1980: $64k
2000: $165k
2020: $329k
2023: $436k

r2: 0.98 (!!!!!!)

The fiat grift requires continued and ongoing debasement to function, Jay the Faggot will do a Volcker, and by that of course I mean manipulate inflation and money stock statistics to paint a rosier picture than reality, actual inflation has been 5-10% per annum since the '80s, as evidentiary by the price of everything from hamburgers to houses. The only thing that would stay the oligarchy's hand away from further debasement is a mass secessio plebis, but workers have shown time and time again that as long as they have their goyslop and their blue cat people fucking whales in IMAX they'll happily continue to take it up the ass. Never forget what debasement is: a parasitic transfer of resources from income earners to oligarchs via asset inflation

>> No.55686318

>>55685626
High interest rates cause greater debasement as the interest is paid with more debt, 100T USD shitcoins by 2030, flee fiat as fast as you can

>> No.55686666

>>55678593
They will keep waiting for price to fall until we get a new ATH.
I've stopped listening to those calling for $10K, I'm now staking my bag with promising alts like SIDUS, RIO, NXRA and others with BTC and ETH still remaining as my biggest bags

>> No.55686727

>>55683413
How ? I live in South Florida and the homes are selling at 150-300 percent from 2019

>> No.55686737

>>55683839
Most of this inflation started during covid when trump printed trillions for trumpbux and boomerloans that got embezzled and forgiven

>> No.55686852

>>55686666
Only Faggots wait for 10k on BTC. Been DCAing during the dip on BTC, Matic, Sylo and Arrr. I know we should be seeing more bullish sentiments next year.

>> No.55686864

>>55678240
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AOk3wBuQNcE&pp=ygUNbW9uZXkgbWFzdGVycw%3D%3D

gold standard is also jewish

>> No.55686906

>>55686666
I like NXRA better here, its building some nice products for other projects to use

>> No.55686915

>>55685626
>something is going to break
People have been saying this for 1,5 years now. The only thing that broke for a week was gilts and looking back it was more of a technical and regulation issue. US seems to be fine, some more banks will fail and someone will bear losses from real estate but those are not systemic issues.

World economy and trade is incredibly unbalanced and when you take the main funding currency from 0,5% to 5,5% something big has to fail. Europe is going through a mild recession and rebalancing but even Deutsche Bank is profitable so it is a nothingburger. Japan is still capping rates and seem to be doing fine. Chinese property sector and manufacturing are fucked but it is a closed financial system so it cannot really have a big impact globally. Where are the pressures man, what if nothing is going to break.

>> No.55686935

>>55686915
The pressures will come in a few years time due to resource scarcity due to current under-investment, these rate hikes are draining money from areas where it's needed and it's not being replaced by savings. Commodities will shoot up as shitholes like India continue along China's footsteps and global demand exceeds supply. The fact that we're not using as much oil as we were in 2019 isn't due to it being displaced by renewables or anything, it's because we still haven't recovered.

There's a lot of delusional copes about global demand for a lot of things and people over the course of covid got some bizarre ideas about how the economy functions.

>> No.55687015

>>55686935
Don't agree. Rate hikes are designed to weaken demand so they are draining money from the consumers who do not have as much disposable income to spend on whatever including oil. If anything higher rates mean that commodities will get absolutely crushed in price, go look at 1980s. There will be no resource scarcity.

>> No.55687031

wtf is this bullshit I was thinking 10-12%
I'm going back to bed

>> No.55687066

>>55687015
During the 80s the global south were still living on a bowl of rice a day in total poor mode. Nobody back then really took no notice of Indian or Chinese demand for consumer goods because they couldn't buy shit. Now we have China still growing and consooming more, India following suit and other countries in the region like Vietnam coming up rapidly.

And also, the OPEC crisis of the 70s had caused western governments to over-invest in oil, leading to the 1980s oil glut. You had 10 years of torture and pain being ended all at once with boons like the North Sea Oil. Compared to now where we have hung ESG and the threat of environmentalist regulations over the oil and mining industries like the sword of damocles, and fucked around with demand by having lockdowns leaving oil companies bagholding. The renewables hype about "solar panel's moore's law" and this delusional belief in peak oil demand have also crippled investment severely, all that mania got funneled into Elon Musk's pocket to deliver overpriced electric cars.

There's been some serious diminishing returns in mining and the US shale boom only has the permian basin to peak before it all peaks. The next shale plays in Argentina and Russia aren't easily accessed due to political instability. Squandering all that printed money on tech stocks and electric cars and underinvesting in raw materials is what's going to fuck us all in the ass soon. The consequence of the tech and crypto investment bubbles during covid isn't just the bagholders, it's the malinvestment because that money coming from more needed long term investments like copper mines which became too risky compared to failed bibleo game company stocks and digital coins.

>> No.55687087

>>55678129
>The economy will collapse if consoomers don't get their prices brought back down via deflation
Woah dude, cool it with the antisemitism

>> No.55687118

>>55682276
You mean abolition of whites AND Jews. Where you find one, you find the other. The master can’t live without the slave, and the slave without the master. Neither can parasite and host. Both must be destroyed.

>> No.55687124

>>55683179
Never happened. And liberals run things. Look at Friedman. Look at Alec Baldwin. Look at the Clinton’s. You think they will start a Revolution on their own time? Lol kys

>> No.55687227

>>55686082
>housing market in the great planes, south and southwest
what about it? qrd

>> No.55688083

>>55687118
Nah, nice try Moshe.

>> No.55688205

>>55685240
When the Federal Reserve was created its mandate was to use actual currency and not infinitely printed Fed Res Fun Bucks

>> No.55688233

>>55677514
we're already beyond salvation

>> No.55688368

>>55683179
Inflation brings the economy to a hault when no one has any money to buy anything because prices are too high. We are seeing it now with the housing market. No one is buying. No one is selling. Houses sit on the market then go off market without a sale. New construction has stopped. Restaurant parking lots are empty while fast food drive throughs are packed. Beef sits on the shelves as chicken is being sold out. Hobbiest stores are ghost towns. No one has any fucking money. I make cement for a living and the only sales that's haven't dropped off are government projects using goyim tax shekels.

>> No.55688385

>>55683215
succinctly put, anon

>> No.55688391

>>55688368
Also hault =/= crash. We can crab forever with stagflation at 0.01% growth.

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>>55677514
We knew it was coming
You did nothing
Nobody will do shit
Better post a digested info in "black twitter" groups because they will do something

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55688441

>>55688414
>posts a thumbnail as an image
Holy shit, I fucking hate redditfag refugees so much it's unreal.

>> No.55688607

>>55677560
rates do not matter, its excess liquidity that does and all signs point of massive global money printing happening behind the scenes not reported on official balance sheets
the current setup is the best possible outcome for the government, prop up asset valuations of the elite while squeezing the middle class into the underclass and back to 2 tier medieval serf system we go

>> No.55688676

>>55678180
This site is 18+ kiddo

>> No.55688808

>>55677514
Can someone explain this rate hike thing to me?

>Hike rates
>Now interbank lending happens at higher interest
>This send shockwaves to other interest rates and generally nudges them higher like yields on government bonds and mortgages.
>many banks have overinvested in government bonds seeing them as very liquid items but the rising yield causes a drop in value of older bonds that still yield lower yields compared to the ones currently issued and if the bank needs to liquidate them they have to incur losses.
>many homeowners have mortgages on high value houses that they can only pay off at low interest rates.
>new homeowners will not have the budget to bid on houses that they could have bid on if the mortgage rates were lower.
>this causes consumers to lend less which causes a drop of money influx into the system, dropping inflation.
>government interest on debt continues to soar to over a trillion a year causing the deficit to expand faster than normal
>government doesnt give two fucks though so they just rollover their debt and the interest they need to pay on it into more debt faster than usual.
>the consumers tightening their belt vs the government just rolling over more debt faster and faster will determine whether raising rates will actually combat inflation or if it will spiral into hyperinflation.
>also banks will die.

Do I have this right?

>> No.55688839

>>55683133
We expanded too far, too fast. Our technology outpaced our culture and religion, and seeing the gains we made in the rationalistic, scientific sphere we began treating individual humans as purely material and rational actors, making them easily swap-able cogs in a machine. We have forgotten we are spiritual and animalistic creatures and the importance of culture and bloodlines.
People move halfway across the country to work a job, severing community and family ties. En-masse, whatever culture/family ties a small community might have had is entirely sublimated and dispersed into a culture of atomized hedonism in pursuit of the next materialist gain.

>> No.55688855

>>55677514
they are literally crashing the economy with no survivors, the US was sold out from within.

>> No.55688864

>>55677560
>I typed goy so that mean I know what I am talking about
two more rate hikes fucking retard, you don't know shit you massive fag.

>> No.55688880

>>55685626
government can't afford to pay the interest on its debt lmao

>> No.55688884

>>55677560
> The economy
Fuck you and your low rate shithole paradigm

>> No.55688913

>>55688839
> Our technology outpaced our culture
Yet we can't house people
You're wrong. Our system is about extortion by fiat, through housing.

>> No.55688916

>>55678129
Prices will never go back down, that's not how inflation works.

>> No.55688921

>>55688916

I agree. housing market goes up forever.

>> No.55688928

>>55688855

Housing market is not going to crash anon. Its going up forever with no correction. Buy now or cry later.

>> No.55688963
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>>55688368
People are buying and selling, just not you, commoner. Things have already broken, you the worker has been buck broken, look at all the strikes/near-strikes in the last year, how many have resulted in workers clawing back even Jan 2020 real terms earnings? UPS union "win" just happened, 17% over 5 years, a massive real terms pay cut even if we only see 2% real inflation over the next 5 years.

The corruption of Money is the problem.

1) Hard money forces positive sum activity as everything has to balance.
2) Hard money fell out of favor for transactional not economic reasons during the industrial revolution.
3) Politics always favors soft money because it enables easy and opaque theft.

Social spending acts as a supply-side subsidy for labor, a worker CAN'T sell their labor for less than subsistence, but what happens if we give them food stamps, subsided housing, Medicare? Well now they can sell their labor for less than it costs to produce!

But wait! How were those social programs paid for? Deficit spending? Exactly. Deficit spending is an expansion of the money supply (simple dilution), it robs ALL income earners and gives to asset holders (as an increase in money supply will naturally inflate assets), a HUGE and on-going parasitic transfer of resources from income earners to oligarchs, THIS is the driving force of the wage/productivity divergence seen since the 60s.

Notice that this also suppresses incomes of higher paid workers by convincing them the nominal gains on house value is wealth instead of inflation, why boomer dominated fields (mechanical engineers etc) get paid so poorly, $60k seems like a lot if you bought 30 or 40 years ago, but you haven't gotten wealthy, your real terms income has just drilled through the mantle.

To fix the problem we MUST fix Money, without tackling the root all other "solutions" are built on sand. Pic related, with BTC we finally have the means for practical grassroots capital flight from fiat. We can fix Money.

>> No.55689035

>two more rate hikes announced
>market pumps
I can't wait for every fucking retard pumping this shit to lose everything, fucking cattle queers.

>> No.55689068

>>55688928
>>55688921
Dullard. Factor for m2 and weep. This is the power of the fiat corruption of money, those who are getting fucked slightly less will simp for the system believing they benefit. Idiot.

>> No.55689273

>>55688928
when it retraces by -1% (like now) next time, these jew-fellating faggots will call it an apocalyptic crash like every jewstream media mouthpiece does every single time it's happened since like 1990, yet a year or two later, median price was always higher

>>55688963
didn't read that supremely goyish walloftext

>> No.55689318
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55689318

Who has that banks collapsing bingo card? We're about to start using it again

>> No.55689340

>>55677514
Extortion is the practice of obtaining benefit through coercion. In most jurisdictions it is likely to constitute a criminal offence; the bulk of this article deals with such cases. Robbery is the simplest and most common form of extortion, although making unfounded threats in order to obtain an unfair business advantage is also a form of extortion.

Extortion is sometimes called the "protection racket" because the racketeers often phrase their demands as payment for "protection" from (real or hypothetical) threats from unspecified other parties; though often, and almost always, such "protection" is simply abstinence of harm from the same party, and such is implied in the "protection" offer. Extortion is commonly practiced by organized crime. In some jurisdictions, actually obtaining the benefit is not required to commit the offense, and making a threat of violence which refers to a requirement of a payment of money or property to halt future violence is sufficient to commit the offense.[1] Exaction refers not only to extortion or the demanding and obtaining of something through force,[2][better source needed] but additionally, in its formal definition, means the infliction of something such as pain and suffering or making somebody endure something unpleasant.[3][better source needed]

The term extortion is often used to refer to usury or to price-gouging, though neither is legally considered extortion. It is also often used loosely to refer to everyday situations where one person feels indebted against their will, to another, in order to receive an essential service or avoid legal consequences. Neither extortion nor blackmail requires a threat of a criminal act, such as violence, merely a threat used to elicit actions, money, or property from the object of the extortion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_as_slavery

>> No.55689362

>>55677560
kek, screencap when they keep here until 2025.

>> No.55689392

The economy is going to collapse. Just be ready when it happens, more ready than others. Dont be low hanging fruit my frens. You dont need to go full prepper, just spend 20 bucks on like 3 months of pasta.

>> No.55689504

>>55678180
we don't have to live like spics or indians just because the third world is moving in.

>> No.55689523

>>55686727
I sold my home in FL for $720k (cash) after having bought it for $410k in 2017. I was renting for $3500 per month before moving to another state where I now pay $2300 per month for a "townhouse." I'll be moving in a few months to an apartment where I pay $1600/month.

It's a good time to leave FL if you want to save money.

>> No.55689705

>>55688963
nailed it, good job.

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>>55689273
>didn't read that supremely goyish walloftext
people who can't be bothered to read this much text don't belong here. fuck off back to tiktok.

>> No.55689763

>>55684788
real estate is stable and the stock market is booming in spite of rising rates. forgot all the macroeconomic principles of adjusting rates. they are raising them solely so they have room to lower them once the economy slows down even the slightest bit. as opposed to raising them to intentionally slow the economy down.

>> No.55690070

>>55683133
They did. Just on a much bigger scale. That's where the concept of the modern nation-state came from. It only works as long as everyone in the country treats the nation as their extended family network. This is now breaking down and white people are slow to adapt because the old system is so deeply ingrained in their cultural attitude.

>> No.55691202

>>55689392
>90 days of food can be purchased for $20
hahaha no

>> No.55691684

>>55680860
People who use the word 'conspiracy' as if it has some innate dirty connotation are the worst. You suck.

>> No.55692120

>>55689763
Higher rates expands money stock as debt is paid with debt not tax revenue

>> No.55692344

>>55691684
Cry me a river brainlet.

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55692585

>>55677514
That's it, im using a mixer (mikusu i guess) from now on, the government is no longer trustworthy

>> No.55693862

>>55692585
>from now on, the government is no longer trustworthy
The government has been trustworthy up till now?

>> No.55694675

>>55678180
do you honestly think anyone on this board has genuine friends?

>> No.55694697

oh noooo now instead of paying hundreds of dollars more we will pay hundreds of dollars plus some more more oh nooo

>> No.55694744

>>55682326
two things that happened this week- bank of japan announcing they are changing yield curve control and china selling dollars on the open market-both indicate that the crash is near (or even beginning, but not yet in a way that it can't be hidden)

>> No.55694884

>>55693862
You are replying to a shitcoin shill

>> No.55694902

>>55688607
>excess liquidity
why does the excess liquidity make system collpase?

>> No.55695930

>>55694884
My bad.

>> No.55696140

>>55677560
>The economy will collaspe if rates stay high
it's doing fine

>> No.55696692

>>55678429
Not this time
It was frontrunned because noramlly markets go up on rate hikes so now we have that in
>>55677560
The real reason is the state debt

>> No.55696700

>>55685240
No you retard by refusing to hike in 2021 they started a massive inflation

>> No.55696714

>>55677529
I live in San Diego, ca and the housing prices here are so fucking insane that they continued to rise in most middle class+ areas despite the rate hikes. This city is the definition of priced out. Even if they raise rates again it will have little to no effect.

>> No.55698292

>>55696700
>y refusing to hike in 2021 they started a massive inflation
This. The fed should have gone straight to 5% in 2021 and allowed the economy to spaz out and crash. Had they have done this they would have already lowered rates and the economy would be booming its way up. Instead we have death by a thousand cuts and crabbing before a major economic down turn. Shit it fucked desu. Hysteria and delusional FOMO are the only things holding this market up.

>> No.55698718

>>55698292
The Fed's job is to pump the oligarchs bags, not "full employment" or "stable prices" or whatever dumb fucking excuse they tell you, QEi/ZIRP followed by 'higher for longer' will greatly increase money stock (remember, interest is paid with debt), m2 will be no less than $45T by 2030, and could reach as much as $100T

>> No.55698727

>>55677514
If everyone called Jerome Powell racist and said stuff about how this is black genocide we can get QE back

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>>55688913
i don't get it.
I see individuals owning many properties that are rented and poor wagies paying the lanlords mortgages off only because they don't want to live on the street.

I don't see many companies and financial mediators succeeding in this scam though. Vonovia stock seems to be in freefall.

If you can't win againts them - join them. How can i joined the winning party ? I don't want to exploit my fellow man but I don't seem to get better options in this.

>> No.55698763

>>55698718
>The Fed's job is to pump the oligarchs bags
That's my point. The fed could have crashed it all, devastated poorfags and some sacrificial richfags, then pumped it back up already. Maybe I am wrong but it certainly seems like we could be past the nickle and dime qualitative tightening and hand wringing already. High time to move on ffs. Instead we are mired in never ending "two weeks" crabbing.

>> No.55698774

>>55686727

Prices are never going down anon, don't get confused. Lower inflation just means they're going up slower than they were in 2022, but they're still going up.

Homes and rental costs are just one of many components of the CPI and inflation too.

>> No.55698805

>>55698756

The only way it works is when interest rates are 3%. I own a home (outright, no mortgage) that I rent out. The rent I'm getting currently, which is the market rate, is a couple hundred dollars less than a mortgage would be if I bought the same house with 20% down on a 30-year fixed at 6.5% interest. And that's before insurance, property taxes, maintenance, and all the other costs associated with landlording.

>> No.55698974

>>55698763
That's the thing, crashing it would be good for workers, not bad, clearing the dead weight from the system would be AMAZING for commoners, slow inflationary grind up is the worst outcome for the masses, so that's what will happen

>> No.55700185

>>55687066
This makes sense to me

>> No.55700199

>>55688839
This also seems to ring true

>> No.55700287

>>55698974
>slow inflationary grind up is the worst outcome
Its over. The doomers were right all along. There will be no golden bull run. A long slow collapse of first world economies from here on is inevitable.

>> No.55701693

>>55683839
Most of the money printing, and the whole of the MRNA vaccine development happened under this faggot's watch

>> No.55701899

>>55684817
when you buy clean meat and clean food and take proper care of yourself it gets expensive very quickly. sure you can save a lot of money by buying junk and letting your body go to shit but then whats the point. then factor in the astronomically high fuel costs and housing costs and you can pretty much start struggling on 5k a month

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>>55688963
I personally believe the real reason they wanted to crash the economy was their own intern power struggle combined with a gut feel of how well they will be able to blind and steer their future generation of subjects.
There must be a cyclial nature to how corruption and power works inside their ranks, and the joker was the internet. They did not foresee how much that furthered the free flow of information against them, in short, exposing them, while they did all they could to embrace digital terror 'themselves'. Their problem always has been being unable to create healthy incentives to keep people 'in line', but are unable to.

The internet prossibly has more than 1000x'ed the avaliability of information about them, if you think about it, and any sane, practical and free-spirited person can tune in and out of whatever information he or she thinks is valuable for the perservation of himself and his own people.
People realizing moral self-sovereignity and liberty of choice can always spot a gremlin of chaos when he's been trained and informed of how much in the dark evil really moves.

Which is why they poisoned the well with convid and the sterilization outroll. It wasn't mainly about control over this monetary system, built on the back of western civilization, but about culling the in-few-generations would-have-been fully redpilled, culturally vibrant populace completely building their own juridical system, churches and castels anew.

Now we're stuck with their finest breed of politicians to enforce the structural destruction of our collective achievements by the same economic system that gave the west an unfair advantage over other enslaved races and nations. It's greed, people. Greed..

It's almost inconcieveable how life under 'normalcy' in the next few, not-worth-the-squeeze cycles will act out.
Sound money, of course, will be confiscated when any 'legitimate government' collapses, and will happen again, this time, possibly with crypto instead.

>> No.55703627

>>55688928
>buy now or get priced out forever
>up only
>a new paradigm

>> No.55704476

Not high enough. final rate at 7.5% - 8% might do the trick

>> No.55704919

>>55688607
agree with STD anon here
rates can be all 7% and sheit, it is just o price out plebs of housing
if they print trillions for themselves every other month >>55686308
then whatever, rates can't help it but can make it worse though

>> No.55704940

>>55678603
The problem here is that you are relying on other people, and people are unreliable and sometimes untrustworthy.

>> No.55705100

>>55683215
B00kmarked

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>>55686308

>> No.55706834

Does that mean it still isnt the time to buy a home?

>> No.55707024

>>55703140
tl;dr

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>>55677560
>The economy will collaspe if rates stay high.
NONSENSE!

>> No.55707040

>>55706834
If you need a house to live in its generally always a good time to buy.
If you own a house and need to live in it it's not a good time to sell.
If you want to stack houses as investments it's not a good time to buy.
If you have houses stacked up as investments its a good time to sell.

>> No.55707062

>>55707032
I disagree. The current economy is not designed for high rates. It has been built up through the 2010s on artificially low rates. The economy will need to transition to higher rates which entales a crash or rated will need to be dropped to prop up the current economy. There cannot be high cost of life/business with high rates. High costs are only sustainable with low rates.

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>>55707062
nothings happening chud

>> No.55707171

>>55707124
>Why would they lie to us?
hmm....

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>>55707124
>nothing happening
>all mayor cities keeling over

>> No.55707857

>>55707182
Imagine holding commercual REIT bags right now. kek

>> No.55707887

>>55681321
The worst mistake Whites made was not exterminating you 'people'.

>> No.55707942

>>55677514
>They can't get away with this.
That is one of the most naive things you can say in economics. Of course they can.

>> No.55707952

>>55678180
This is the FEDs secret power & why we cant fight them. They realized that ppl hate eachother even more than we hate the FED
Communities are AWFUL

>> No.55708086

>>55707182
incredibly based

if you're worried about your debt, you should be stoked about inflation debasing the denomination of your debts
(...you are increasing your salary by continuing to advance your career, right retard? oh you're not? lmao)

>> No.55708101

nooo you can't just save the world economy!

>> No.55708289

>>55677514
I'm scared bros. I'm trying to get my first job in my field but the belt is tightening and hiring freezes plus clients not paying...

the only thing left might be a federal job

>> No.55708428

>>55708289
>only thing left might be a federal job
>posing on 4chan
not for you, bud. good luck on the background check

>> No.55708918

>>55707182
Why not convert them into housing?

>> No.55708927

>>55678129
>living like a hermit
>95k pretax salary
>no cushion
Learn to cook

>> No.55709173

>>55708918
Because its not that simple nor economically viable. Read through this thread for explanation. >>55704634

>> No.55709823

>>55677514
This entire thread is highly antisemetic.
Be better.

>> No.55709955

>>55678129
>six figure hell
i know these feels

>> No.55709992

>>55706834
There are currently a bunch of chink owned advertising excuse me , news media that tries to spread the story about
>Buy houses gweilo
>Plice go up
The chinks that did their capital flight into western real estate while chinese real estate is in a perpetual crash want YOU to buy their concrete cement block bags.

>> No.55710007

>>55689318
Credit agricole looks like it's a sneeze away from going belly up. Same goes for dutch banks and Canadian banks that are in for tilt if their real estate market sneezes.

>> No.55711684 [DELETED] 

Hey janny why not delete this thread as well in your failed attempt to control (((narratives)))

>> No.55711767

The day after this news most stuff I am following prices went up at least 5% lol, I was wondering why everything went up, so this is why... Shit.

>> No.55711786

>>55711767
It's still a short covering and bag distribution pump. The pump in equities since late May is purely driven by hopium and manipulative advertising

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credit tightening cycle finally hits, no more weekly grocery shopping, buying the newest shitphone or whatever on a credit card and personal loan

>> No.55713642 [DELETED] 

>>55681991
the british elite are jews too, and always have been.

>> No.55714929

somehow the thread got abandoned by the advertisers

>> No.55714947

>>55706494
Not adjusting for inflation or the buying power of the dollar. Cringe.
You shoulda included all the reponses on that post.
good bait though.

>> No.55714964

>>55713553
>chart
yikes

>> No.55715670

>>55714964
The chart is beautiful. It shows a credit tightening situation that is, as it was planned, going to fuck one enemy nation the hardest, China. A country with no relevant internal market, too much fled capital parked in real estate and dependent on the US and west importing their sweatshop products.

Its always great when a plan comes to fruition. Italy wasnt the last that is going to leave the belt and road initiative

>> No.55715743

>>55715670
>this information presented in the chart will only effect china
moran

>> No.55715999

>>55678603

The way everyone else in history succeeded was by exerting power over others. The only sustainable collaborations are ones built on a trust level only present among family members.

>> No.55716091

>>55681321
You're ancestors being weak shitskins is not the fault of superior races.

/biz/ desperately needs geoflags. The number of subhumans seething at whites is getting out of hand.

>> No.55716136

>>55715743
No, it is of course also going to effect overall monetary base and money creation in general, it is going to have an effect on consumption in the domestic US market, demand for jobs in the US and wages, but overall the ones that are going to be effected the most by a tighter credit situation in the US are transnational companies that used the decade long low interest rate environment to extract capital from the US and spread it all around the world, as also the real estate market and a largely foreign investor class that is going to have to hold tight onto their bags

>> No.55717047

>>55716136
>foreign investor class
I hope they get economically raped.

>> No.55717072

>>55677514
You could've leveraged this news with Blackswan if you wanted to. More info at blackswan dot biz

>> No.55717168

>>55716136

Yea and wake me up when the housing market actually dumps. Its keep pumping and rising in America

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>>55717168

>> No.55717673

>>55680739
I can spot you Toronto pajeets from space

>> No.55717743

>>55677514
At least we saved old people from the flu by shutting down the world and got orange Hitler out of power and are sticking it to Putler. Price worth paying.