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>> No.55676465

Gme ftw

>> No.55676472

ENVX, PACW, and TUP will have 150 percent gains today. Source : I can feel it.

>> No.55676485

we test 4600

>> No.55676489
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Only nuclear war could make the yield curve invert this badly.

>> No.55676491
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Let it go, lad. Holding out hope for a former p& d to p again is a losing game.

>> No.55676494

I've made so much fucking money on PACW. It's fair price is 9.50 after the merger new right?

>> No.55676497
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are you not enjoying bidenomics?

>> No.55676507
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No, I want off Mr. Brandon's wild ride.

>> No.55676510

from what I've seen, the merger doesn't complete until next year and its not clear what price the 65 percent of a BANC share will be, JPM is buying their mortgages now.

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>> No.55676558

$30 SOXL by end of next week

>> No.55676564

war is bullish and would fix the economy
people need fear

>> No.55676565

>nuclear armageddon is bullish

>> No.55676571
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>Robbinhood just raised their APY to 4.9%
Holy fuck.

>> No.55676577
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wait, I am still waiting to buy 300 shares of AMD at $100

>> No.55676583

Uhhh guys, shit is pumping in the big boy way

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>> No.55676624
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My shell shares dont.
And PLEASE stop posting goblinas.
I dare you.

>> No.55676626

Lagarde will pump the markets harder. It always happens.

>> No.55676630
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why dont you own nrgu

>> No.55676654

there is literally no case for intel in the current year
their gpu work is doa
they are ruled by jeets
they keep killing products
their core products are vastly inferior

>> No.55676667

>they still spend a lot of money on brand recognition
>that somehow still works despite being dogshit for 5 years
granted amd's had their bad press too but it's sort of baffling the inertia that gigacorps have just look at IBM lol

>> No.55676708

EU also completely forgot about yesterday. This market is the real scammarket. Worse than US.

>> No.55676715

Their besr chance atm is that their foundry service overtakes TSM somehow or an invasion of China renders TSM inoperable and the industry turns to IFS. Tbh I think there is a decent chance of one of those things happening, the former is even somewhat in INTC's control as they were top dog not so long ago. It looks like they're currently positioning themselves for exactly this. They'll be an anchor investor for Arm's IPO and have announced they'll fabricate Arm chips. Arm as an architecture is currently eating x86's lunch in several markets and they plan to or already have entered every market x86 is in. x86 is loaded down with legacy shit so Arm might be able to dominate the CPU market in 5-10y. AMD could be in hot water if that happens.

>> No.55676728

>x86 is loaded down with legacy shit
And what is that "legacy shit" exactly? x87 FPU instructions?

>> No.55676729
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>ECB gigahiking today
Are you read for today guys? The ECB is taking over FED's job of properly take care of the high core inflation and will ensure the companies stop taking advantage of the high core inflation and low PPI. The ECB has realize that the way of the people is what actually matters. They are on our side now, bros. What a time to be alive.
No longer will we pay $3 for a dozen eggs and no longer will we pay outrageous prices for gasoline.

>> No.55676748

any further questions?

>> No.55676756

The fact that the CPU still starts in 16-bit mode and has to be laboriously switched to 32 and 64-bit for one thing. The ISA being huge and complicated for another. Dozens of different instruction sets (e.g. SIMD) because AMD and INTC have been competing for who can add the most. x86 is bloat. Arm is bloat too but not as much. Before someone mentions it, RISC-V is probably decades away from being usable for anything serious.

>> No.55676757

>inflation at 3%
uh everything here still costs over 70% more, how the fuck do they calculate the inflation rate lmao

>> No.55676758

good joke. She will talk about wage inflation again, despite Nestle raising prices by 9% and others most certainly too.

>> No.55676766

when will trump pump dwac

>> No.55676775

>the CPU still starts in 16-bit mode and has to be laboriously switched to 32 and 64-bit for one thing
5 nanoseconds of startup time, the horror
>Dozens of different instruction sets (e.g. SIMD)
I.e. an industry standard that's literally on every chip in existence more expensive than 30p? You should check out the shitshow that is ARM SIMD instruction sets, and that's one fucking company.

>> No.55676791
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bros, all of this giga pumping is rather concerning...it really does feel like something is bound to break eventually and when it does it will be a total shitshow.

>> No.55676792
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Prices are simply rising slower than before (still significantly higher than normal though but who cares about that?). Also, since inflation rate calculations include many different factors, we can have higher food inflation which can be outclassed by a decrease in electricity prices for example, giving the illusion of a lower inflation. It's all bullshit and falsified statistics anyway. Remember the famous quote about statistics m8: "the only statistics you can trust are those you falsified yourself". The single most based quote I've ever read. Never ever trust anything coming from a governmental body/agency.
Obviously, they are on fuckin repeat mode and have been for the past two years now. What do they even do? Like actually what do they do in their job? They keep saying the same things and haven't brought anything new to the table. Do they just drink coffee and sit around all day, talking about their hippie days? I would really like to know.
They will once again divert attention to "wage gains" and oh how the economy is affected by the fact that workers are greedy and demand money for their work... all the while companies are making gigantic fuckin profits because many have signed ZIRP contracts and get nice deals from the banks.

>> No.55676799

don't care, still buying intel

>> No.55676806

Inflation is simply how fast prices are increasing. If they've already increased, then it'll stay at that high price, unless there is deflation.

>> No.55676811

>They are on our side now, bros.


>despite Nestle raising prices by 9% and others most certainly too
Ya, many companies hiking prices by more than inflation because they can and others are doing it.

>> No.55676815

I don't know, but Lagarde earns 400k a year I think. Don't know what she has done besides being a sentenced once when she was a minister in france. But the penalty wasn't executed, kek.

>> No.55676841
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No no guys you don't understand, companies need to hike prices so they can compensate for the higher producer prices (even though PPI has decreased significantly and is way way lower than CPI) and to pay off their massive loans (which they took when interest rates were zero or sub 2%).
Yet, the inflation has been repeatedly blamed on the wage growth of the lower classes. It is true though that the lower classes have been really really greedy as of late. Consoooomin to their heart's content and keep taking more and more loans in a "high" rate environment. Fuckin normies. No wonder companies keep hiking prices. They know normies will keep buying.

>> No.55676842
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It's fucking over

>> No.55676853
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for bobo

>> No.55676858
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according to my estimates, stocks are expensive right now

>> No.55676862

1M treasuries are 5.5%, you're still getting ripped off

>> No.55676870

nasdaq is unstoppable lol

>> No.55676875

COIN and PLTR have gone up, my puts are finished.

>> No.55676889

HOGS bros WTF is happening? Why are the OJ niggers dabbing on us?

>> No.55676890
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It’s only because they cost more money. I expect this will continue until they cost less money. This is financial advice.

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wil stoks go up or down? apu apustaja is in the lab to find

>> No.55676913

Oil might be wonky, Gasoline and Fuel oil less so atm.

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>posting this pink haired slut
what a slut

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oj gang rises

>> No.55676920
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evrything got more expensiver this month but not as much as last month :) thx for listening evry1, any questions??

>> No.55676943

i missed jeromes speech. can some give me the qrd of important stuff

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>> No.55676956

Someone asked him about wealth inequality and he just gave the journalist a sneer and ended the conference early

>> No.55676959

What's the problem with holding TQQQ for 30 years?

>> No.55676962
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Yes hello when do things start to get less expensive? Thank you sirs

>> No.55676968

You may die tomorrow

>> No.55676969

It was weird because I'm 99% sure Powell said they voted not to raise rates, but it's being reported as a rate hike.

>> No.55676972
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I was really drunk at yesterdays office party. I pulled my dick out, climbed on the roof and vomited on the floor several times. And I clocked in 20 mins too late today.
I think I'm in trouble, how do I recover from this (financially speaking)?

>> No.55676974

You'll recover as soon as you take your meds

>> No.55676978
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it sez here that prices wil b stable at are 2% target thx :)

>> No.55676984

Delta ?

>> No.55676986

I swear I constantly read "higher profit forecast/Gewinnprognose" and at the same time there are several german institutions now even talking about a possible summer recession and everybody shitting himself. Exports dropping etc and they all still make profits.

I see a lot of US small/midcaps red on investing.com earnings calendar. This has to eventually also break the fuckin big corps.

Now I even got a message in my market maker talking about investors ignoring negative seasonality. Fed meeting yesterday was interpreted bullish.

What negative seasonality? July is THE bullish month for EU and US also I think.

>> No.55676989
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Companies need to hike prices to make payment on their new debt which is higher now because the CB's around the world hike rates.

>> No.55676991

why cant you handle your alcohol ?

>> No.55677009

I can usually handle alcohol because I drink at home a lot. I didn't know what kind of alcohol everybody was bringing with them but I always see normies taking shot so I brought a bottle of schnapps. Nobody wanted to drink it so I got nervous because I've made a mistake and drank it myself.

>> No.55677032

yeah you need to drink only a little in risky occasions. schnaps is wierd choice tequila, lemons and salt is normie gold.

>> No.55677048

Job party. Drinking like hell. Whats wrong with you

>> No.55677065
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David Soxl is pumping my bags yet again.

>> No.55677076

How is META making this much money? AI powered ADS? Whatsapp doesn't have ads I think. Facebook has ADS. When I log in it's only absolute garbage. Even things that look like cheap garbage, worse than Alibaba/Wish level or on par. And if it's some other services it looks like a scam company.

>> No.55677086
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wonder what stocks do this pattern with sp and nasdac during fomc? sometimes it dumps and then goes up

if yuro wasnt closed that pattern would be a easy play 3x leveraged etfs.

or if a stock mimics that then good chance to get cheapies on your preferred stock

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They fired a lot of useless people. Interestingly, the expenses coupled to personnel are projected to increase.
META is a weird one. I am honestly chocked how fuckin well that company is doing. Must have a bunch of ZIRP help from the banks

>> No.55677101

they are targeted ads anon. you can decide yourself what you want to see.

>> No.55677106

I meant downsides.

>> No.55677120
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>Nasdaq futures
So, that's it, we're pumping for the next 10 years now?
Why didn't I buy yesterday... Well, I guess I can still buy today.

>> No.55677121

I have a belief that office parties are just a scam to set people up for failure. Why would you even go to one let alone drink at one. If they are mandatory then show up, shut up, and Irish exit as soon as you can.

>> No.55677129

Yeah it's so weird considering how bad the ads are, all I get is ads for dragon dildos and my gf gets ads from family planning clinics for some reason.

>> No.55677132

Fuck off, I just logged in. The first ad was San Miguel and undereath there was Amazon.com. What is this ad? Will they refer me to Amazon to buy beer from there?

Second was ESN (Whey etc). Overpriced.
Third: Strong Viking (Some midlifecrisis sports event). Is that even profitable?

I don't drink beer. I eat whey but not fuckin ESN. I do lift, but don't do meme shit.

>> No.55677138

It can be good for your career. I go to every work social I can. You get more promotions being an underachiever everybody likes than an overachiever that nobody really knows. Your bosses and senior colleagues may reveal things to you and you'll be more in their mind when they're deciding who to promote or what tasks to assign to people. Plus there are often free drinks and food, and I enjoy working more/work better with people I like.

>> No.55677143

Sounds like they have access to your browser history.

>> No.55677148

>Irish exit
Is that leaving without saying goodbye?
In germany I heard it's called "Polnischer Abgang" =polish exit.

Kek, I was once accused doing that. And rightfully so, I don't want to roam the whole fuckin techno club to look for each and every person to say goodbye after raving the whole night through.

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>The meltup has officially begun

Let us enjoy these good times while they last. EV sector is going to be the place to be this run

>> No.55677159

sorry, I was not aware you frequent reddit.

>> No.55677173

In order for my portfolio to be constantly green across the board I need the DOW and the RUSSLE 2000 to both be pumping. How likely with they stop being heemed?

>> No.55677177

People who know how to write in a proper manner use space. Sorry that it's 4chan etiquette to not do so. I'm here occasionally since 2011 (fit/pol/biz). I won't change,

>> No.55677190
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>Is that leaving without saying goodbye?
Yes, basically you are avoiding the long conversations people like to start as you’re heading out the door.

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I do this all the time.
Even in the supermarket and the gas station

>> No.55677223

Great, I'm an Irish/Polish exiter and I'm proud to be one. Except when I see the people on my way out, then it would be rude not so goodbye, but I'd say it's all dependent on the festivity and the size of the place.

>> No.55677245

I do think le reddit spacing meme is overdone. It's reddit spacing when almost every sentence is a separate paragraph. Far worse than reddit spacing is when someone writes a paragraph explaining their viewpoint followed by one short line in a separate paragraph for punchiness.

Don't like it? Tough.

>> No.55677257

You can overdo it. But 4chan is being overly autistic in the opposite direction. It's ironic, cause most here think they are more intelligent than others and smug about, but write like a retard.

>> No.55677285
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If I receive a mail where idea/subject/theme A is not separated properly as it should be with a new paragraph for idea/subject B/theme B, with a space if very thematically different, I don't read it, simple as.
Now everyone uses proper spacing. They don't have the choice in the matter, I became their boss.

>> No.55677366

we dump

>> No.55677383

time to buy MCD

>> No.55677401

>write like a retard
We’re not writing essays here. We post as we would speak if we actually had the motivation to get out and meet. It’s part of 4chan culture.

>> No.55677433

My country's economy is imploding, based

>> No.55677435
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waiting for ABBV earning

>> No.55677438

Thoughts on TESLA?

>> No.55677451

Anyone explain why CROX is dumping? Results look great: revenue up, costs down, debt down, new products, guidance increased. Oh well, might buy more at open, maybe it's a sell the rumour, buy the news situation.

>> No.55677457

damn cuh I feel for you as I have embarrassed myself under the influence too

>> No.55677479

is reddit

this isnt
I still love you

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>> No.55677488
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ENVX is gonna pump hard today

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heelow niggers
i have
>ctrl f
>no results

looks like the OIL brothers are eatin' well this mornin'. index futes green too. might be a breddy gud day for all, barring sudden rug pullin' news

>> No.55677515

If jobless claims come in lower than expected Nasdaq is going up 3-5% today

>> No.55677517

I sold my son's just a few days before the DOOMP but have been peeking in on it regularly, slowly recovering nicely. I hope that keeps up, it was a strong hold up till then, and a nice divy.

>> No.55677528

>Data matters
How many reports do you need until you realize that it doesn't matter anymore:

Germany is in a recession, was in one and probably will stay and it's going for another ATH.

>> No.55677532

Wish I didn't fuck around buying abbv. Only have a small bag hoping it'd go down more

>> No.55677536

You sold your kids you sick son of a bitch!? Who did you sell them to? Baggot? Poor kids are probably getting diddled as we speak by that Jewish goblin.

>> No.55677538

Data matters when it gives a reason to pump. Low jobless claims will pump up yields. High yields mean more interest income for megacaps. The script gas flipped and rate hikes now stimulate the economy

>> No.55677553
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No, he's in a STOOKS program where he gets to buy STOOKS on the program owner's dime and keep the gains at the end. It lasts for 3 years and each year he gets to sell one of his STOOKS and buy a new one. The selection was made last fall and I advised ABBV due to the patent expiration which was coming up (now passed).

>> No.55677559

Oh, and I do the actual selling/buying for him in his account. hence "I sold".

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>> No.55677574

Oh, you had me spooked for a second.

>> No.55677577
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S&P futures are almost at the March '22 peak. The only significant high after that is the all time high. This is what an actual double top looks like (assuming it doesn't break and head straight to 6000).

>> No.55677580

Yes. I hope so. August month down

>> No.55677585
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And here's some less objective commentary

>> No.55677587

Why wouldn't it break and head to 6000? Earnings are great and higher rates are stimulating the economy. Megacaps have a lot of cash and are collecting 5.5% risk free. It's the best of both worlds, good earnings and free interest income. I'm curious if there is a real counter argument to this

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I advise, give outlays, and leave the decision to him, then execute. He knows not to get anywhere near Baggot because Baggot shorted DE a while back and anyone who shorts DE is a commie traitor fagjewniggertard. Disclosure, my son holds green af DE.

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>> No.55677600

Look at CAC, full recovery.

Sartorius, absolute meme company with shitty earnings compared to last year pumping like crazy the last days. The market has gone mad.

>> No.55677606

Because high rates now stimulate economies. The higher the rates the higher the future earnings. The script has flipped in a way no one expected

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>> No.55677621

1st data drop of the day in less than 15 minutes:
ECB decision

>> No.55677626

Student debt doesn't matter when the Fed is giving megacaps free interest money. It's a form of QE. And the higher the markets go, the higher rates will go. Just imagine the melt up when rates hit 10%

>> No.55677631

NYMEX are terrorists

>> No.55677637

Didn't John Deere go woke though?

>> No.55677639
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>none of this has to do with the money supply

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There isn't. ZIRPs are a fuckin scam and I hate that fuckin concept. There is no reason to invest in anything besides Megacaps right now. Small cap is getting eviscerated because of the higher rates, mid cap is kind of keeping up due to the inflationary pressure on customers, and megacaps are enjoying ez cash, low PPI, high prices, and of course as small companies are going to hell, they can pick them up for cheepsies.
It feels almost orchestrated

>> No.55677652

Nah, just some rando regional intern sponsoring a small local event, I'm sure they were put into a woodchipper. Verification not required.

>> No.55677681

UUUU still a good buy?

I see a lot of push for nuclear

>> No.55677687

We're heading back to high inflation. Now megacaps can raise their prices and collect higher and higher interest income. There is no way to defeat high inflation unless there's a black swan event

>> No.55677689
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>the pump has completely stalled ever since QE turned off and the M2 money supply decreased
is there even a point in buying the market until it comes back online?

>> No.55677693

motherfuckers won't even let it hold still long enough to finish making a limit order on UNG (not low enough for me to buy more BOIL).

>> No.55677695
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Money is going to where it is secure, i.e., megacaps. Just look at the MZB, oh wait you can't since the FED removed it just when they started printing in 2k20. They printed insane amount of cash and most of it probably went into the stock market, which is also why the market is pumping like crazy these past three years.
Look at M2, once again increasing since people are taking loans. Things are never again be cheap since normies are willing to pay as much or even more than what companies want.
Heh, I love looking at these graphs. These "high" rates haven't made a fuckin dent. Completely useless. FED once again completely dabbing on the people

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>> No.55677708

>assuming it doesn't break
This is the problem with chart patterns. You can only definitely say what pattern it's drawing when it's finished and the bullish or bearish movement has happened.

>> No.55677711

The worst part is that even bonds are yielding less than 2%. The entire thing is smoke and mirrors and without the wizard behind the curtain blowing smoke it doesn't move

>> No.55677716

Not only haven't they made a dent in inflation, but high rates are stimulating inflation now. Now you can get crazy stock returns plus high interest income

>> No.55677718
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Yeah but your money isn't tied up if you wanna FOMO at the top

>> No.55677722
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The worst has yet to come. If only they knew how catastrophic thins will be.

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McDonald chads, we're eating good tonight. Seriously, who the hell thought they wouldn't beat? It's fuckin McDonalds in an inflationary environment...

>> No.55677736

Why would that ever happen? I'm seriously interested to read a compelling argument for a market downturn

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>> No.55677744

Im going to market sell all my shorts at open and pile into commodities. Look at fuckers.

>> No.55677746

Stock Market isnt fun anymore.
I think i just put 1k€ into MSFT every month and dont bother right? When do we get bull Timeline again?

>> No.55677749
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>they are posting the graphs again

>> No.55677751

yeah into fagman, ie the nasdaq

>> No.55677752

two more weeks! the market is extremely resilient and fundamentally sound. inflation is pretty much under control and jobs are plenty.

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Here comes the 1st GDP read for the quarter.
!! Previous GDP was revised up from 1.1 to 2.0% !!

>> No.55677756

Schizos with graphs make a thousand false predictions a day in these threads don’t even reply to them.

>> No.55677758
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>Inflation went up in Germany and Scandinavia
>Core inflation extremely high in Euro Zone
Yeah m8 let's just do the same thing as the FED. Let's not look at the data. Monkey see, monkey do. Fuck this fuckin continent.

>> No.55677772
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>plus high interest income
Not true. Look at the tips yield. 10 year bonds went from 0.5% yields all the way to 4% but the tips yield for 10 years, so the actual real return after inflation, went from negative 1% to 1.5%

Across the ENTIRE yield curve real yields are all below 2%.

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>tfw it turns out that MUH LINES was the true fundamentals all along

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This graph is out of date now. There is not a single bear in the past year that is not trapped.

>> No.55677783

Retards are on some new paradigm shit right now it’s unreal. Puts will 10x on a random day next wk then 5x again in the days after

>> No.55677796

I kneel, i sold before the datas

>> No.55677805

But how does that fight inflation? Now people and megacaps get free money from high rates. It's the best of both worlds. Great earnings, wage growth, and you get 5.5% on your cash risk free. The yield curve is inverted so companies can take out 5% loans and then use 5.5% interest income to pay them back

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>> No.55677814

US PCE Prices Advance Actual 2.6% (Forecast -, Previous 4.1%)


>> No.55677820

ECB just gave indication that they may be less hawkish moving forward
>"The Governing Council’s future decisions will ensure that the key ECB interest rates will be brought to levels sufficiently restrictive to achieve a timely return of inflation to the 2% medium-term target and will be kept at those levels for as long as necessary."
>Meanwhile, in July now they are saying:
>"The Governing Council’s future decisions will ensure that the key ECB interest rates will be set at sufficiently restrictive levels for as long as necessary to achieve a timely return of inflation to the 2% medium-term target."
>The difference being that in June, they were still able to pre-commit to a further rate hike. But now, they can't really do so for September and the language reflects that. I would expect Lagarde to reaffirm that they may still hike again after the summer but as things stand, that is certainly not going to be a given like the decision today.
>EUR/USD is down slightly from 1.1125 to 1.1100 currently while euro area bond yields are also slumping with 10-year German bond yields now down 5 bps to 2.40%.

Unironically very bearish, as the dollar trade was built upon "Oh the ECB (and others) will continue to be hawkish and aggressively hiking, while the Fed is done - long the Euro!"
Now that idea is being tested, a whole bunch of dollar shorts, euro longs will unwind, making DXY rise
DXY rising = very bearish
the market rallying has been all built upon the dollar falling, and falling rapidly
now that is being put to the test

>> No.55677823

We're landing softly.

>> No.55677824

>Now people and megacaps get free money from high rates.
1% yields is a fucking joke anon

>> No.55677825

So we pump, right?

>> No.55677826

bears are fucking stupid. what part of line goes up do they not understand?

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>> No.55677840

No it's not a joke. Companies can take out huge loans at longer duration and then use short term treasuries to pay back the loan. It's hyper QE

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Got puts that expire today so I hope that pans out for me.

>> No.55677844

we had a huge crash last year yet bobo still feels entitled to more. fucking die.

>> No.55677845
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dedollarization is actually the biggest paradigm shift

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Does anyone here enjoy anything?
I find it hard to look at SHIBART's art without getting depressed because these things will eventually take away from my work as an artist

>> No.55677852

The March '22 highs were just breached

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speaking of YIELDS
I nooticed that the HOOD yield on uninvoosted cash went up to 4.9% last night, up from 4.65%. I'm not Gold presently because I'm too invoosted to benefit from it.

>> No.55677857

I wonder if a replacement currency will ever actually emerge or if the multipolar meme will stay and everyone will try to trade in their own currency.

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That's the biggest surprise. The dollar isn't losing power to the euro or the yen or the yuan or some new brics currency, its just small countries deciding to trade with each other using their own instead of the dollar.

For example the ENTIRE ASEAN region dropped the dollar and is now using their own currencies with each other. And trading with India and China and others with their own currencies.

Which means they are all buying each others bonds essentially making QT for the dollar on a small but growing scale

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Every buy I've ever made has been pure genius and every sell I've ever made has been fucking dumb.
I should be 150k richer than I am right now but I'm not because I'm a skittish faggot.

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If the economy is so great and all, why the hell is copper down then? Reeeeeeeeee stop fuddddding my copper (still up nicely but I want more).
It will be interesting to see how long the FED maintains its "restrictive" policy, benefiting the megacaps while killing normies. Will they quit as soon as inflation goes to 2% or will they hold for an additional year or two? ECB already made it clear that they desire to turn on the printer as soon as inflation hits the desired 2%...
Why 2%? Why does it have to be 2%? Fuckin bs economics from the boomer era

>> No.55677878

There is an apex, nigquitity, the money created by both the negro leveraging the loans for consumption well beyond the means provided by the loans plus income, and the lender leveraging the value of the loan as if it were held by a responsible White college dropout and making more loans and investments, will inevitably run out of fuel as the inflation needed to cover will reduce demand because it's going toward essential goods and services for both consumer and producer. That's the inevitable scenario the house of niggers can fall before that as it would have in 2020 if student loans weren't paused

>> No.55677879

15,461 of em sheesh

>> No.55677883

dollar just went green on the day, after being down fairly big
get out now. unironically, this is the top
this is the moment that the dollar trade has switched from bullish to bearish; the fundamentals behind the dollar falling just got crushed by ECB
>SPX 4,605
>NQ 15,728
this is the top. the rally will not continue as the dollar reverses. you will wonder why - why is the market falling after great earnings?
this is why. expectations for ECB policy are now declining, dollar shorts must unwind, euro longs must unwind
reminder: US stocks are priced in dollars!

>> No.55677888

this isn't really a good way to think about this because you don't want to be holding anything for too long. There is always more opportunities.

>> No.55677899

Bulls are in full euphoria mode. Literally everything is good for the mkt. just put more money in at whatever price. Manias will never stop npc are flock animals and can always be fools just wait a few months and start a new pilpul campaign

>> No.55677902

So when are we loading up on puts?

>> No.55677905

I'm pretty sure the people who have held for 30 years have beaten my performance pretty soundly, but hey that's just me

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>> No.55677921

you should be now
I cannot emphasize enough how big of a deal this is, /smg/ doesn't trade currencies, doesn't understand bonds, doesn't understand currency movements
this is a huge, huge, huge deal - the entire basis for the market rallying just got undone; the market has rallied in nominal terms (dollar terms) as the dollar has gotten completely crushed
the dollar has gotten completely crushed because investors/traders/institutions expected that other central banks would continue to aggressively raise interest rates relative to US monetary policy; that the Fed would pause, while ECB continued to hike aggressively
this is no longer the case, after ECB release today
in other words, all the dollar shorts are now trapped, all the euro longs are now trapped; they are forced to quickly cover or sell their positions, forcing dollar higher
the market rallying was predicated upon DXY falling, and falling below 100 parity especially
after ECB release today, that is not going to happen - huge smashing of expectations (and the market hates when expectations are broken / the unexpected occurs)
Unironically, this is the top

>> No.55677922

If we are talking about indexes sure. But singular stocks on the other hand gets a little iffy. Though I guess I am wrong to say you shouldn't be holding anything for too long. Indexes and (gags) bonds would be fine.

>> No.55677931
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predict market open

>> No.55677935

And when you are older, you will realize that you should have never ever sold
When I was in college, Amazon was trading in the $24 range and I bought and sold it several times
I bought and sold Apple several times over the years

If I would have just left my money invested in both I would be much richer today

>> No.55677937

Anyone have thoughts on MRSN? Seems like a lot of volume

>> No.55677939

brief sell then green escalator

>> No.55677940

WTI has breached $80 lmfao, nice market you have here central bankers

>> No.55677949

Whatever, line go up forever. Any dip is temporary and should be slurped. Buy now or be priced out

>> No.55677959

Whatever companies lose from currency fluctuations they make back from interest income. Rates are going much higher. 8-10% FFR will give companies a cushion against currency issues

>> No.55677963

QQQ down to 381.40

>> No.55677972

nasdaq big pump and the dump

>> No.55677974
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what in tha fuck are these motherfuckers trying to achieve

>> No.55677975

Denial phase. Can’t wait for bargaining

>> No.55677976

If you unironically believe that interest rates are going to 8-10% (which even I, someone who is very bearish on bonds doesn't think yields will get that high)
then you should be selling absolutely everything, and be building a short position
the banks balance sheets cannot withstand 4% 10yr - if you think that they can withstand 8% you are smoking crack lmao. The banks will face catastrophic failure at even 4.5% 5% rates; everything will blow up, major financial crisis (similar to how we saw the pension funds in UK blow up when their 30yr hit 4% in the Autumn)
It is literally impossible for interest rates to hit 8% again, as we would face thousands and thousands of bank failures before yields even approached those levels

>> No.55677980
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You guys said we will have a recession.

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I'm lost 30% on NVDS, I'm not regretting it, I just bought little bit too early.
It's a matter of months now

>> No.55677989

The Fed will bail out the banks, isn't that obvious? This the bugs & pods timeline. Free money for megacaps and everyone else gets screwed

>> No.55677992

we did. it was in 2022
we bull market now
nothing but blue skies and green arrows from here on out kid

>> No.55678013

The Fed is literally unable to do so. They have already used up their emergency fund.
>durr the Fed will just print money, and bail out the banks with it!
Lol. The Fed doesn't have the power to do this, this is a misconception.
Why do you think they ask the big banks to buy the failing banks? Why do they have the larger banks do the bail outs?
And why have the larger banks all announced "No more! We will not, cannot, bail out any more banks"
I don't think you understand how many banks there are in the US, especially relative to other nations. USA has 4800+ banks
You cannot bail out 4000 banks lol.

>> No.55678020

And yes, I think the FFR is going to 10% and probably higher. The script has flipped: high rates now stimulate the economy via megacaps. The higher rates go, the higher stocks go. The higher stocks go, the higher rates. It's a loop that will not be broken for a long time

>> No.55678031

Eh, we'll get a recession but not right now. This stuff takes a while to play out, maybe recession in 2024, maybe even 2025. The market has lots of time to move upwards between now and then

>> No.55678034

They can just create more money and expand BTFP to infinity. 10% FFR will be hugely beneficial for bank earnings

>> No.55678035
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feds fucked. alien groundwork is being laid now. they are going push space cash by 2024 to save the system. long SOXL

>> No.55678043

treasuries are never tied up, just sell them

>> No.55678044
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A bear market is not a recession. I want wagies to lose their fucking jobs.

>> No.55678045

You are smoking crack.
This is your argument:
>Higher interest rates will absolutely crush consumption domestically, as consumers will not spend as much with interest rates 2x what they are right now
>Higher interest rates will crush economic activity, as businesses, corporations, institutions, will not be able to borrow as much at rates 2x what they are right now
>Businesses will not be able to expand, will not increase their orders, overall demand will fall, with interest rates 2x what they are right now
>corporations will make up all of these losses, because they'll receive higher interest rate payments on their cash!!! YAY!!!!
You're dumb. No. The losses would exceed the interest gains 10 fold.
And again, we cannot reach even 5% yields without thousands and thousands of bank failures.

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I really need to read up on currency and its effect on the market. I still can't wrap my head around why the sentiment strong dollar = weak market is so prevalent. I mean, the dollar is the strongest it has been for the past 10 years and the market is only accelerating its growth...

>> No.55678052

reminder that the market =/= the economy
2000-2010 was fucking great for the economy and us stocks fucking crabbed lmao

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>> No.55678062

DIS bros...this is our time

>> No.55678063

Where did I say higher rates will crush consumption? In fact it's the opposite as we're seeing now. Higher rates stimulate the economy and give consumers extra income. It's a form of QE. The government gave everyone money in 2020 and now you get interest income on it

>> No.55678068

This person is correct. Mega caps have been ‘safe haven parking spots’ for $ but no one stopped to say wait a second I’m parking at a 45 p/e and they can’t grow into the multiple without a breakthrough which isn’t very fucking likely to happen. Perceived safety of crowds is mega fucking danger when ppl try to exit the same door

>> No.55678070
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This. Inflation always go into companies pockets. Said so since 2020, but /smg/ wouldn't listen.

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I legitimately don't understand the rampant economic pessimism. I mean yeah, I was 15 too one time and I thought every spooky headline meant the end of the world, but I've seen over and over again how the line literally always goes up in the end. Just go the fuck out into the world and realize that nothing is as bad as the media wants you to think it is. I guess you can play the short game if you have the money to burn but are you doing better than the people here who were just buying and holding throughout 2022? I'm up over 150% from my low last October, it wasn't hard it just took time.

>> No.55678075

Are you retarded? Look at a graph of DXY, the dollar is down from the highs when the market was tanking. If the dollar keeps pumping, the market will follow it conversely.

>> No.55678077

>Higher rates stimulate the economy and give consumers extra income
Lol. You are retarded. No. God no.

>> No.55678081
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>up nearly 3% in premarket

>> No.55678086

They shut down the world over the flu. The world is messed up. Stock market is great though, the more clownish the world becomes the higher stocks go

>> No.55678089

I'm up 6%, get on my triple leveraged level

>> No.55678092

Of course I know that but let's look at 2k21 during which dollar pumped and stocks mooned...

>> No.55678095
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actually went ahead on a few more shares of BOIL right there now!
got a good bit more UNG, and even sold a little KOLD.

>> No.55678097

Can you prove me wrong?

>> No.55678101

Nice. I have a bunch of covered calls that offset my gains a little.

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I bought Logitech when the sub imploded and made 25%. What's my next play?

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Give me a good stock tip

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>> No.55678141

>it’s just spoopy headlines
>it’s definitely not ppl lying abt their financial situation living on credit cards(worse than just paycheck to paycheck)

>> No.55678151


its a druckenmiller AI long

>> No.55678154

>Can you prove me wrong? (re:
>>Higher rates stimulate the economy and give consumers extra income
>In general, higher interest rates discourage consumption and encourage saving.
>Interest rates affect the cost of borrowing money over time, and so lower interest rates make borrowing cheaper - allowing people to spend and invest more freely. Increasing rates, on the other hand makes borrowing more costly and can reign in spending in favor of saving.
>Higher interest rates increase the cost of borrowing, reduce disposable income and therefore limit the growth in consumer spending
>We estimate that a 1
percentage point increase in interest rates can substantially reduce consumption
growth, so that other sectors would have to grow 6-10 percent in inflation
adjusted terms just to maintain a basic overall growth rate of 3 percent
>lower interest rates encourage the agent’s consumption across all states
>When rates increase, meaning it becomes more expensive to borrow money, consumers react by refraining from making large purchases and pulling back their spending

Yes. I can prove you wrong. The entire world can prove you wrong. Lol. You are saying something that is the exact opposite of the truth. The equivalent of you saying
>The Earth is square!
>Can you prove me wrong???

>> No.55678158

Seriously, De Guindos, can he speak with a little more accent? You can't understand him. He's practically speak spanish with english words.

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>> No.55678168

Even though I'm poor, I can confidently say I don't live paycheck to paycheck and don't have credit card debt. So at least I have one thing to feel good about.

>> No.55678183

>In general, higher interest rates discourage consumption and encourage saving
I hate to be that guy but g1. Interest rates at a 15y maximum and spendinng has decreased what... 1%? My anecdotal experience is telling me that spending has increased and consoomerism hasn't decreased one bit

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You will work for FAGMAN, make your weekly rental payment, eat the bugs and be happy.

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ASML. Good ass big semi/tech company which is still relatively far away from its ATH despite great earnings and an especially good position in the semis industry

>> No.55678212

You need to understand that those statistics that you are looking at for consumer spending are in nominal terms, not in real terms.
In other words, if inflation goes up 6%, and consumption falls, the nominal number will still be positive. They are not adjusted for inflation. When adjusted for inflation, consumption has been falling.
You also need to understand the dynamic that takes place during high inflation. The consumer doesn't want to hold onto their money and hold off from making purchases, as they expect their money to be worth less in the future, they expect whatever they wanted to buy to be more expensive. So rather than save their money, they will INITIALLY (emphasis on initially) will try to "spend their way out of inflation" - why not buy today for $1.00 when tomorrow it will be $1.10?

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>> No.55678241

>Muh credit cards!!!!!
People have been gnashing their teeth about this for years and literally nothing has happened. Credit card debt doesn't mean shit about the economy unless people are completely unable to service their minimum payments. Otherwise, you shouldn't be surprised that people have moved away from cash in 2023

>> No.55678242

U can’t speak logic into a mania. Like a fever it must run it’s course. Just hope u aren’t holding puts too early or miss the initial reversal bc when it happens these bull fucks will be no where to be found

>> No.55678244

>Yes. I can prove you wrong.
The script has flipped this time around. In 2020 there was insane stimulus from world governments. Companies took at huge loans at low rates. Households had checks sent to them in the mail from the government. Everyone got free cash.
Now in 2023 the Fed is raising the FFR quickly. People and companies get free interest income on the free money they got, AND they get wage growth, AND they get a booming stock market, AND companies get record profits from inflation.
Besides that, the yield curve is deeply inverted. So companies can take out a long term loan for 5% and pay it back with short term treasuries yielding 5.5%.
QE never ending. We just entered a phase of hyper QE that will never end
> We estimate that a 1 percentage point increase in interest rates can substantially reduce consumption
And did that happen? No, people are buying more than ever

>> No.55678246

pre market is on fiyah

>> No.55678250
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I... I just want one win it's been weeks... i don't know what to do.

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Good post. It might be different for the US but last time I checked I believe adjusted spending is also close to ATH here in Scandinavia. People here have short-term bound mortgages and loans (which is absolutely retarded and they will pay for it dearly this and next year as the loans get re-financed but NPCs will be NPCs) so they keep spending and spending.
The thing about spending since one assumes things will be even more expensive in the future holds especially true in regards to the housing market. A lot of people I know bought a house last or this year since houses actually have some physical value and since the market is so un-safe right now.
But as has been made clear several times before, economy =/= market.

>> No.55678255

Lmfao thank u for taking the bait. I actually own a company in the space and the chickens are starting to come home to roost.

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Selling my TSLA, maybe you should buy because I lose every single time

>> No.55678267

People and companies get free interest income on the free money they got
You have to lock your money up for that.

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when he's not a permabull

>> No.55678278

Can you expound on this, m8? I would love to see people lose their shit over this. As someone who refuses to become an economic slave (refuse to have a filthy loan), it pains me to see all these normies live on ez mode because they can just keep getting away with this crap.

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>> No.55678283

I’d be will to make one or two interest only payments on her loan. Given access to her openings of course.

>> No.55678284

>You have to lock your money up for that.
You can put it in treasury bills or a high yield savings account, you don't have to lock up your money for long periods of time

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>> No.55678298
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Chipotle bounced back from -8% to -0.2%, How? What did I miss?

>> No.55678307

its down 7% wtf are you talking about

>> No.55678308

>I was just pretending to be retarded!

Bro you need to realize that the entire world runs on debt and if you aren't using debt to your advantage you're falling behind.

>> No.55678309

>See! They're buying more than ever!!
Households are unironically already out of their savings, and will be completely 100% out by October
They do not take advantage of higher interest rates lmao.
>Wow!! I'm so glad that interest rates are higher, as I am receiving such large interest payments on the government bonds I own, which will allow me to consume more!!
Said no one, literally ever. Lmao.
You are completely delusional and out of touch with reality of how many average people even own bonds
>Direct household participation in the bond market fell to 1.3%, according to a recent survey by the St. Louis Federal Reserve
only half of the US population even owns stock, let alone bonds
60% of the US population lives paycheck to paycheck
We have over $1 trillion in credit card debt - the majority of the nation is having to use credit in order to make ends meet, putting themselves into $100,000 worth of debt (average debt per household)
All of these people are affected by higher interest rates. They have less disposable income, due to their higher interest payments. They cannot borrow as much and spend it in the economy, due to higher rates.

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Just woke up. What did I miss?

>> No.55678313

being a permabull is so damn comfy and ez money

>> No.55678318

just wanna add to my QQQ but it wont go down

>> No.55678321

Nvm the chart was fucked or idk.

>> No.55678325

JPow said fuck bobo, kill a bobo, roundhouse kick a bobo in the face, throw a baby bobo into a blender, smash a bobo's face in with a sledgehammer

>> No.55678330

>entire world runs on debt
I know but I've seen people make it without having to resort to any kind of juden loans or having to take a bank dick up their arse. I strive to be that good

>> No.55678332

>they missed the bottom that was in october

>> No.55678335

This thing feels like a bloody powder keg. I can't play this.

>> No.55678336

opening bug maybe idk I was checking it on marketwatch>>55678321

>> No.55678349

It's going to keep going up until Biden leaves office. If you think Biden will win in 2024 then buy now. If you think Trump will win, then hold your money and wait for him to crash all the markets agains

>> No.55678350

>Households are unironically already out of their savings, and will be completely 100% out by October
Then the government will just provide more stimulus, what's stopping them from doing that?

>Said no one, literally ever. Lmao.
See here:
>"The interest rates actually make it better for us because we're earning more money on deposits."
That data is from January, the economy has exploded since then
>only half of the US population even owns stock, let alone bonds
You don't need to own bonds to get high income from a high yield savings account
>60% of the US population lives paycheck to paycheck
Does not matter at all. The poorer people get, the more the government will have an excuse to stimulate megacaps. Plus poor people love to use credit cards and rack up insane debt

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People decided the vinigger sauce shortage wasn't really that important

>> No.55678355

The economy isn’t the market, and as long as Janet keeps spending and not issuing longer term bonds (lol she refuses to do this because it’ll fuck everything up) we are essentially just blowing the biggest bubble known to humans.

>> No.55678365

Don’t listen to the other retard. Yes debt at a good rate for a quality busn is smart but these fucks are racking up 10’s of thousands on credit cards to buy rounds of shots for $20/shot to pretend to be rich. It’s systemic and you likely have friends pretending to be fine but 20% apr ain’t the devil u want to dance with.

>> No.55678371

Average American now has 10k in credit card debt.

>> No.55678379

>racking up 10’s of thousands on credit cards to buy rounds of shots for $20/shot to pretend to be rich
Brah I don't know what neo-conservative content creators you follow but that is simply not happening on a large scale. Could you have picked a more exaggerated example?

>> No.55678398

That's a lot of demand, bullish

>> No.55678399

puts are so fucking cheap right now

>> No.55678404

His example is obviously illustrating an idea, quit playing dumb
People absolutely rack up credit card debt to live a lifestyle they can’t afford. The buying shots at a bar thing was just his way of illustrating it
Hate when people play purposefully dense to score some cheap “gotcha”

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>Then the government will just provide more
stimulus, what's stopping them from doing that?
>pic related
We literally cannot afford to do so. We have seen a 20% decline in tax receipts in this same period from last year.
>Oh, well they can just issue more bonds, and borrow money, and use that money to stimulate the economy!
What is the government crowding out effect
>The crowding out effect is an economic theory that argues that rising public sector spending drives down or even eliminates private sector spending.
>To spend more, the government needs added revenue. It obtains it by raising taxes or by borrowing through the sale of Treasury securities. Higher taxes can mean reduced income and spending by individuals and businesses.
>Treasury sales can increase interest rates and borrowing costs. That can reduce borrowing demand and spending.
Not only will we have crowding out, we will also see a big spike in inflation
We are also approaching $1 trillion on debt service, we are at 129% debt/GDP
It is not sustainable, not possible
>They tend to be older and they're enjoying higher asset prices and bigger returns from their savings.
Higher interest rates is very different for anyone who doesn't have a massive nest egg, doesn't already own a home - the drivers of consumption
>You don't need to own bonds to get high income from a high yield savings account
There aren't high yield savings accounts, which is why money has been flowing out of banks, into money market funds. This is also extremely bearish, as the banks are getting their balance sheets destroyed by capital outflows + real estate crash + inverted yield curve
>Does not matter at all
You will see. Henry Ford figured this out 100 years ago, when he realized his employees couldn't purchase the cars he was selling.

>> No.55678412

Lmfao you cannot be serious. Of course people are racking up CC debt, to look wealthy.
I have 5 sbilings, 4 of them pretend to be wealthy. Me and my brother are the only ones who have $ for a downpayment on a home, in our family.
I have friends who act similarily, too.
It is absolutely the way people act, right now. Pure financial irresponsibility.

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I just want it all to crash and burn...is that so much to ask?

>> No.55678423

I secured my SOXL profits. It might have a lot more to go, but 9.58% daily gain is 9.58% daily gain. Had to do it to 'em!

>> No.55678424

SOXL up 10% today. Hot Damn.

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my talent to buy the exact fucking top every single time is truly astonishing

>> No.55678441

>We literally cannot afford to do so
So they'll just raise the debt ceiling, the republicans completely caved last time
>What is the government crowding out effect
And that's proven wrong. The government has done insane stimulus since 2008 and the stock market has done nothing but gone up
>Treasury sales can increase interest rates and borrowing costs. That can reduce borrowing demand and spending.
Already disproven. Higher rates are bullish for risk assets in this environment
>we will also see a big spike in inflation
Inflation is bullish for risk assets. Inflation + high rates is the holy grail of high profits for megacaps
>Higher interest rates is very different for anyone who doesn't have a massive nest egg
Correct, but the stock market doesn't care about normal people. Megacaps benefit from pain
>the banks are getting their balance sheets destroyed
And how are major banks doing these days? From what I've seen they're making new all time highs and doing great
>Henry Ford figured this out 100 years ago, when he realized his employees couldn't purchase the cars he was selling.
We're in the bugs and pods timeline, this is by design

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>RSI hasn't dropped below 40 in over 6 months
Holy moly bears are getting absolute destroyed

>> No.55678452

>49% of Americans depend on credit cards to cover essential living expenses
It's honestly much worse than what he was even saying in his example to make a point
They are going into massive debt just to make ends meet, to buy things like groceries, gasoline, pay their rent.
There is also a ton of extravagant travel spending going on right now on credit - which is truly a "go into debt to pretend to be rich"
>Visa Card Spending Tops Estimates With Strong Travel Demand
>"fueled by travel growth from the ongoing recovery and summer tourism.”
literally people are putting themselves into debt in order to go on vacation, so that they can post pictures of them looking at a sunset on Instagram, so that their friends think better of them

>> No.55678455

The First Room-Temperature Ambient-Pressure Superconductor


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what's up my /smig/gers. ABBV is treating me very well today.

>> No.55678472

On days like today I like to look at the chart for sqqq knowing that faggot bears have been going all in on it thinking they know something the market doesnt

>> No.55678477

It will end in tears. The problem, as always, is timing.

>> No.55678478

scale into positions. buy 1/4 size at a time. that way you trick the market gods

>> No.55678481

It's "common" for your clients to spend "tens of thousands" on shots?

Your cynical attitude is blinding you to how absolutely fucking normal this is in a world that no longer relies on a global reserve currency that is actually backed up by ANYTHING.

>> No.55678482

Stun-locked. I can't make a play. Not the worst thing but just annoyed. Also, $GOOG kept climbing after I sold it all so a bit peeved there, too.

Profits are still profits.

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uh bros how true is this thing on fidelity

>> No.55678505

that's been the sentiment since 2016

>> No.55678511

>buying EV shit
>buying Chink EV
You honestly deserve it, I have no sympathy

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>order didn't go through because 10 cent too high
>It's now dumping

>> No.55678529

>So they'll just raise the debt ceiling
this isn't an issue of "do we have the legislative ability to raise more funds to issue stimulus"
it's a solvency issue - and an issue that is only going to increase as time passes, as foreign demand for US debt (and dollars) is decreasing
>The government has done insane stimulus since 2008 and the stock market has done nothing but gone up
This is all central bank liquidity. More dollars chasing the same number of assets. If the government hadn't borrowed / spent money that it took from taxing other individuals, we would have had even more growth.
>what is the fiscal multiplier
>Higher rates are bullish for risk assets in this environment
Lmao. No.
>Inflation is bullish for risk assets.
>the stock market doesn't care about normal people
It doesn't, until it affects their bottom line. When "normal people" can no longer afford to go out to eat a restaurant, can no longer afford to buy a home, can no longer afford to go out and consume, then the stock market cares.
>From what I've seen they're making new all time highs and doing great
Stock price ≠ financial health
Wow, did you see Enron?? It's at $90 a share!! Clearly they are doing fantastic, since the share price is so high!
>We're in the bugs and pods timeline
Unironically, the bugs and pods timeline is extremely bearish for stocks, and why it will not happen

>> No.55678531

>10Y Approaching 4%

>> No.55678533

>Pure financial irresponsibility.
It's free money bro. Have you never heard of bankruptcy?

>> No.55678536

I'm currently carrying 2k on credit and 8k in a personal loan but its this way because I wanted to vacation and currently buying house from family but needed a bridge loan between now and a long dated closing.

>> No.55678537

>Your cynical attitude is blinding you to how absolutely fucking normal this is
Lol. 49% of people using their credit card to make basic ends meet is not "fucking normal" as you put it

>> No.55678539

for me its sell yesterday to realize losses. the stock turns around and goes up 2 days.

emotions always fuck you over. shoulda trusted my stop.

>> No.55678554

only thing garunteed to go up forever is NVDA. Infinite future growth. What you expect that to reflect in fundamentals? You get to be early so stop crying.

>> No.55678559

Lmfao u have no idea how it actually works. You are full of shit

>> No.55678560

kick ass, BLESSED

>> No.55678568

>You get to be early so stop crying.
>P/E 237

Okay bruh

>> No.55678569

What happened to CROX? Earnings looked good, did I miss something?

NVDA is the new BTC lmao. Not sure if I should hold it to earnings...

>> No.55678570

COIN is finally doing the needful for my puts

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Its coming this fall. Stay strong Bo-Bro.

>> No.55678575

It's completely normal to use credit cards to pay regular bills UNLESS a majority of them are unable to service the minimum requirements of the debt.

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>> No.55678579

NOCbros I got heemed...

>> No.55678581

Dollar is now up 0.69%
2 year yield 4.92% +6.6bps

>> No.55678587

Not being your exit liquidity, sorry.

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>> No.55678606

I'm just being irrationally bulish because of how overpriced nvda is being gamma squeezed up on a "growth" opportunity that I dont believe will pan out because it drives cost of revenue skyward.

>> No.55678613

new bread

>> No.55678621

based. i am know remembering all the anons here that had the audacity to short it and got absolutely btfo

>> No.55678625

It is normal to use credit cards to pay bills, and then pay off the debt owed.
It is not normal to rely on credit cards to make ends meet, where you would be unable to pay your rent that month, unable to eat food that week, unable to fill up your car with gasoline without using the credit card, and then also having so much debt accrued that it would be impossible for you to ever pay it off
We are currently in this situation
>yeah, well, it's fine, since they aren't delinquent, yet!
we are already seeing a sharp rise in delinquencies and defaults across all forms of debt, and this is prior to the economy truly getting weak or unemployment increasing. The powder keg is full of explosives, it just takes the economic weakness spark to blow it up, where we do see a huge majority of people unable to service the minimum payment requirements

>> No.55678735

Not to mention that paying minimum’s means the debt is actually going up monthly. It’s beyond fucked and everyone’s acting like it’s A OK

>> No.55678944

what was your last loss

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