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Welcome to the Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's leading decentralized P2P privacy cryptocurrency!

Monero is secure, low-fee, and fungible, meaning users can send XMR around the globe despite corrupt governments or broken financial systems. Innovative privacy features such as Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses, and Ring CT ensure that Monero's blockchain is obfuscated -- In other words, the financial history of all Monero users is encrypted from the prying eyes of adversaries on a public blockchain, with transactions being visible only by a user willingly providing a view key.

Monero has also improved upon the scaling downsides of current popular cryptocurrencies. To avoid high fees, dynamic block size ensures that the size of the blocks will increase as the amount of transactions increases. Further, the mining network algorithm RandomX establishes that anybody with a CPU can participate in mining, preventing the ASIC miner domination that creates a high barrier to entry. Lastly, the mining network will be preserved by Tail Emission -- instead of the block reward falling to zero like with Bitcoin, the block reward gradually approached 0.6 XMR in June 2022, where it will forever stay. This constant linear inflation means the inflation rate will asymptotically go to zero while continuing to provide an incentive to miners to maintain the network.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.

XMR Redpill: https://yewtu.be/wq6w03E2DS4

XMR Stats: moneroj.net

USE Monero: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/

OFFICIAL WEBSITE - getmonero.org



>Non KYC:
Crypto ATMs
see: kycnot.me



Official Gui/Cli

IOS: Cakewallet
Android: Monerujo

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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe


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*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****

Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.

>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained

>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes

>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard

>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable

>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball

>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated

>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides

>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token

>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch

>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam


- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

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Never forget what this is ultimately all about.


>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!


>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)

>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing

>Buy silver/gold bullion with XMR (US only)

>Monero-only VPS hosting

>Buy books with XMR

>Monero-only Airbnb

>Win XMR!

Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Asur Market
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>Drugula #
>Gofish Market #
>HighSupply #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/n5tGcLQP

>LocalMonero is now available on I2P

Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project

or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/

>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund

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>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.

>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!

>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.

>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.


The console is accessed via or the menu in Android.

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>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total BTC = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings BTC would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per BTC and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.


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For The Captain!


The Greatest Pirate Radio Show. Friend of XMR and a great example of what XMR can enable and create.

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Why do you think monero hasn't been banned yet? My theory is that politicians gets bribes through it so they keep it around.

>> No.55594470

Remove KuCoin from the Non KYC list. They are pozzed now

>> No.55594514

Banning something outright is usually counterproductive (war on drugs) creates undue attention. More effective to have it slowly delisted, make on/off ramping difficult for the normal person, slowly suffocate wherever one can.

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>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

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This is what Monero chuds dont want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

>> No.55594636

On and off ramps have always been one of the biggest issues with crypto IMO. The only solution I see to that is to not use on/off ramps. which is unfortunately hard.

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Reporting in,
fuck Bitcoin.

>> No.55594693

Exactly, they don't have to ban it, just make it difficult enough for enough people.

>> No.55595424

Monero is gay lol just checked the price and it’s exactly the same as in 2020. This shitcoin never pumps.

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>Welcome to the /XMR/ General opsec discussion!
Back once again I am pleased to bring another opsec topic in the hope that we can
increase the level of basic opsec knowledge among the XMR community. This discussion
will be centered around virtual private networks, their use cases, limitations and tips on choosing a provider.

>Previous discussions
PGP - pastebin.com/K5uK4vvg
File Verification - pastebin.com/64jdYSua
Compartmentalization - pastebin.com/fduPVLmV
Case File Reading - pastebin.com/6Jgr2zsL
>Virtual Private Networks - pastebin.com/FDA85DMV

Don't nullify the benefits of using the worlds premier privacy cryptocurrency by
failing to follow simple opsec procedures! Thank you for reading and as always
your suggestions for future topics, comments and shitposts are appreciated!
>OpsAnon's public key - pastebin.com/kiEVscyb

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Reporting in
Swimng Pool - https://pastebin.com/raw/Mb7Dyg24
IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

>> No.55595758

Any drawings of Monerochan getting blacked? Would be willing to commission some if there are artists here

>> No.55596101

the fbi, needs monero 100x more than we do

they need time to accumulate

>> No.55596376

I'm working on a project on monero stagenet

when i send transaction, it takes a while and i see my transaction list with pending;

after a while, pending transaction go to zero and there is not transaction at all...what i'm missing?

>> No.55596523

> looking to the left

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>Introducing Neveko: https://github.com/creating2morrow/neveko
>full-stack privacy application with gpg messaging, monero multisig and built-in i2p marketplace
>Still a work in progress, and pretty much an alpha. But run it, and give feedback, file issues---very much appreciated.
>Monero + I2P = ( THE FINAL SOLUTION to the taxman question )

Unfathomably based and agoristpilled. Kudos for going with I2P instead of Tor, this is the way.

Post a reminder in every General, this is exactly the kind of thing the circular Monero economy needs.

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Threadly reminder that there is now a parallel XMR General on the darknet imageboard BitChan where you can post with the absolute maximum degree of privacy possible.

Why bother? Well, remember that every time you post on 4chan the content + your IP address are being logged and that data can and will be made available to LE/glowies upon request.

So if you need to ask a very delicate question, want to make a potentially incriminating announcement or you otherwise just absolutely positively DO NOT WANT to risk being deanonymized, the BitChan thread would be the place to do it.

The slightly higher barrier to entry also serves as a badly needed retard filter so a lot of us post there simply to avoid the hordes of mouth breathers that befoul this otherwise delightful basket weaving forum.

>How do I access BitChan?

You need to have I2P configured & running on your device. Fortunately, pre-configured browser bundles are now available and make everything easy. Since most of you lazy faggots are still using Windows we'll default to that for the following guide:

1. Visit https://i2pd.website/ and click on 'Download I2PdBrowser'.
2. Download either the I2PdBrowserPortable_xxx.7z or .exe file. Extract/install it.
3. Run the StartI2PdBrowser.bat batch file to launch. Adjust firewall settings/port forward as required. Port forwarding > UPnP

A cmd window will pop up and initialize the process. A windowed Firefox instance should soon appear. DO NOT RESIZE IT! Browser fingerprinting is a thing. Once pic-related appears you are officially browsing the darknet! You can monitor yr I2P service by visiting in yr *regular* browser.

Then simply copy/paste the following link into the address bar as per usual:


You may have to complete a CAPTCHA on your first visit. Also, NEVER, EVER ENABLE JAVASCRIPT!!!!

Keep in mind that page loading takes longer on the darknet, so be patient.

>> No.55599579

> BitchAn
Does it have a .onion? Won't bother installing i2p

>> No.55599978

>I2P configured & running
Requests read/write access to entire disk. No thanks.

>> No.55600046

run it in a vm then, or get a cheap stinkpad, there’s lots of solutions

>> No.55600219

Prestium is an easy option to get into i2p

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>Prestium is an easy option to get into i2p

Was just about to post this. Also comes with Featherwallet installed by default. The discerning gentleman's choice.

>> No.55600254

No idea why you schizos are trying to make i2p a thing when tor is so much better from a user perspective. i2p is slow like a dog, a huge pain in the ass to install and run, and can expose your identity or use your network as part of a botnet if not configured properly. Fuck that, come back in 10 years when the tech is battle tested and there is a one-click solution to install.

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>> No.55600764

You can look at the source code right now, point me to the problems you think it has

>> No.55601260

> go audit thousands my thousands of lines of code for free
yeah I have nothing better to do with my life nigger
turn off your i2p right now and try doing a google search, 80% chance you'll see a captcha because your IP has been used by a russian botnet and is now blacklisted everywhere.

>> No.55601343

>come back in 10 years
I2p initial release was 20 years ago. Its obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.

>> No.55601432

>I2p initial release was 20 years ago
20 years and still a completely broken product that nobody wants to use lmao really makes you think

>> No.55601546

Oh that’s why dnm’s are moving to support it instead of tor?

>> No.55601606

>turn off your i2p right now and try doing a google search, 80% chance you'll see a captcha because your IP has been used by a russian botnet and is now blacklisted everywhere.

Objectively false. This does happen if you run a tor exit node, however.
>t. Donates ~1 tb/mo to the i2p network

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>20 years and still a completely broken product that nobody wants to use lmao really makes you think

I2P is better optimized for hidden services because that's ALL it does by default, Tor has to juggle being a clearnet proxy as well, which increases the risk of crossover data leakage.

I2P scales better with more users since its an actual P2P network that seeds data rather than just leeching it as per Tor.

I2P is a fully underground cypherpunk project developed by crypto-anarchists, Tor was started by the US govt and is still funded by them to this day.

The average user is too ignorant to know better so forcing I2P adoption is necessary the same way forcing XMR adoption on DNMs has proven to be the only way to get rid of BTC, if it was up to normies BTC would still be the only option there.

>Is Tor Trustworthy and Safe?

>There is a growing chorus of people who blindly recommend Tor to anyone looking for online anonymity. This recommendation often ignores mountains of evidence suggesting that Tor is not the “privacy tool” it’s made out to be.

>No privacy tool is above criticism or scrutiny, and each has pros and cons. Unfortunately, Tor has garnered a cult-like following in recent years among people who pretend it’s infallible. Honest criticism of Tor is often met with accusations of “FUD” and ad-hominem attacks, so as not to disrupt the collective Groupthink.


>> No.55602225

All this deep cyberpunk lore is needlessly obscure for the average normie and is just gatekeeping at this point. Silk road was magical because any 90iq pothead was able to use it. If you want to increase XMR adoption, you need to provide a way to onboard new users that doesn’t involve a steep learning curve. Just packaging i2p in an app like the onion browser would be a good first step.
Maybe that’s why xmr completely skipped the bull market and is at the same point as it was in 2020 (and same as in 2017).

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>Just packaging i2p in an app like the onion browser would be a good first step.

>> No.55602325

>Just packaging i2p in an app like the onion browser would be a good first step.
Doesn't the I2PdBrowser bundle already exist?

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>> No.55603843

Why would a Russian botnet use i2p in a way that'd cause Google to block it? You can't access google services over i2p.

>> No.55603860

Meant for >>55601260

>> No.55603874

My favourite coin and it’s still not in my folio :(

>> No.55603925

I know that feel. Gotta finish the grind before cashing out to Monero.

>> No.55604027

>t. Tech midwit
If you think that's "deep cyberpunk lore" you should just stick to telegram on your macbook

>> No.55604363

Who is the artist and can they make a monerochan?

>> No.55604448
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I love Myon-anon's Monero-chan Artstyle.

>> No.55604828

>Gatekeeping plebbitors like you

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>Remove KuCoin from the Non KYC list. They are pozzed now

What's the consensus on this?

>> No.55604912

that isn't myon.
it's vostoemisio.

>> No.55604919

Kucoin is cucked and kycpilled unfortunately

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>Kucoin is cucked and kycpilled unfortunately

In that case they gotta go.

>> No.55605031

Thanks for reminding me why I don’t hold xmr anymore and only use to launder my other crypto gains. Some day someone will productize all of this and sell it to normies.

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>I don’t hold xmr anymore


>> No.55605405
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You sure?
Pic rel is Myon-anon's OC...

>> No.55605430
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>and only use to launder my other crypto gains.
Everyday is Laundry Day!

>> No.55605528

yeah. because i bought it ;)

>> No.55605630
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>Everyday is Laundry Day!

oldie but a goodie

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>If you saw Monerochan, the anime girl who holds the 2orld on her shoulders, if you saw that she stood, sweat running down her chest, her knees buckling, her arms trembling trying to hold the world aloft with the last of her strength, and the greater her effort the heavier the world bore down on her shoulders - what would you tell her?
>I... don't know. What... could she do? What would you tell her?
>To shrug.

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>If you saw Monerochan, the anime girl who holds the world on her shoulders, if you saw that she stood, sweat running down her chest, her knees buckling, her arms trembling trying to hold the world aloft with the last of her strength, and the greater her effort the heavier the world bore down on her shoulders - what would you tell her?
>I... don't know. What... could she do? What would you tell her?
>To shrug.

>> No.55606791

OK, so if this is good as they say it is then why is the price so low? Could well be an inflation bug.

>> No.55607018

because the truth is people in the space dont care enough about privacy yet, brainlets are busy buying up obvious jeet scams to go to the moon or whatever. That hay day is coming to an end sooner than you think. Regardless of the price, monero works for me, right now and that's all I really care about.

>> No.55607216

Because monero is actually a token not needed that gives you no yield. You can always _use_ monero (swap coin to monero, swap monero back to coin you actually need, magic! Trace is lost)
There is no reason to hold monero itself. It’s just a mixer. Except if you’re a drug dealer or other lowlife scum who actually needs to use this stuff on a day to day basis. In that case your problem is not magic internet money lol you’ll get caught anyway given that even the chip in your computer/phone is backdoored and 5 out of the 12 people you share your connection with on i2p are feds.
Some day the tech behind monero is just gonna be copied and grafted on a smart contract platform with 1 second finality transactions.

>> No.55607510

Can I copy my pruned chain to a new pc or I have to download the whole thing again and prune?

>> No.55608302 [DELETED] 

You can just copy the blockchain, pruned or not, and monerod will continue where it left off

>> No.55608349 [DELETED] 

Monero does not work as a privacy condom. Timing correlations and value correlations on the public chains will dox you alone, not to mention the data collected by the swap services you use.

Ringsigs provide best privacy when you spend 1 or two coins at a time, which are of a medium age (a few weeks). Young coins allow for easier timing correlations, old coins are rare and therefore reduce privacy as well.

Based on this, I'd suggest to keep as much in xmr as you keep cash in your wallet to cover your daily and regular expenses.

>> No.55608508

This coin is going to need some rebranding, i mean most normies don't like the fact this is the same coin to tax launder and that its used by criminals.

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Monero only trading platform with escrow

Sell and buy in the Monero economy

>> No.55608739

> he cares about normies

>> No.55609036

don't worry about it, maybe you should buy puppyinu

>> No.55609041

ok, more for me, enjoy the bugs

>> No.55609154

Yes you can copy the prunee blockchain file to a new computer and start a new monero daemon on your new computer.

The pruned blockchain will continue syncing the new blocks as pruned. It will keep working as a pruned node.

>> No.55610393
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>OK, so if this is good as they say it is then why is the price so low?

Because Monero has to appreciate in value the hard way: thru good old-fashioned organic economic activity.

As opposed to all the wash traded, Tether-funded junk out there. Price action is a meme in this clownmarket.

>Could well be an inflation bug

If that were the case there should be an abundance of dumped supply on exchanges. The exact opposite is true.

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>Because monero is actually a token not needed that gives you no yield

All yields in crypto come from newer investors, which is the literal definition of a ponzi scheme.

>There is no reason to hold monero itself. It’s just a mixer.

I love the logic here:

>Don't hold the coin that derives value from being used
>Hold coins that somehow (wink wink) derive "value" despite lack of use

>> No.55610910

Tether-funded junk


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Tether (ticker: USDT) is a stablecoin pegged to the USD. It is supposed to maintain a 1:1 ratio of USD reserves to printed USDT, so that Tethers can actually be redeemed for greenbacks on demand.

The problem is that Team Tether is notoriously evasive about third-party auditing of their USD reserves, we simply have to take it on faith that they have the exact amount of USD in reserve as they're supposed to. It's literally "Trust me, bro"

This issue is compounded by the fact that Team Tether casually prints millions/billions of dollars worth of USDT whenever they feels like it, all ostensibly backed by real USD reserves. And they then apparently use those USDT to buy up i.e. save BTC whenever its in danger of crashing too low.

>The pair saw a strong and questionable pattern in Bitcoin prices. Bitcoin had its biggest spikes when two things happened: Prices started dropping, and lot of Tether was being printed.

>The authors focused on the 1% of all one-hour intervals between the beginning of March 2017 and end of March 2018 that featured the largest combinations of large Tether issuance on Bitfinex, and big Bitcoin buys on two other exchanges, Bittrex and Poloniex. Just before the start of each period, Bitcoin prices were under pressure. But in each case, it appeared that a single huge buyer rode to the rescue, pushing the token sharply higher by the end of the 60-minute interlude. The “whale,” whose identity remains a mystery, was using Tether to buy Bitcoin and hike its price. “We saw a regular pattern of very sizable price reversals,” recalls Shams

>Those large buys reversed the downward trend in Bitcoin and boosted its price well above its level before the dip began. “This player either showed clairvoyant market timing or exerted an extremely large effect on Bitcoin’s price,” states the study.

TL;DR: USDT is printed out of thin air and used to artificially prop up the price of BTC (and other coins), which in reality is insanely overvalued.

>> No.55611501

I'm grateful that the average person is so stupid to be so late to the party and will make me unfathomably rich

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I guess it’s appropriate that fiat money is pegged 1:1 to fiat money. Still surreal to see it happening

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>has committed to publicly issuing a complete report of its reserves each quarter

lol still no actual third-party verification tho, they merely assure us that they have "reserves" without specification.

>It’s one of crypto’s biggest mysteries: Where are the billions of dollars backing Tether, and are these reserves robust enough to support the world’s largest and most important stablecoin?

>Despite government investigations and demands for transparency, Tether has never produced an audit of its balance sheet and has generally refused to name its banking partners — conjuring existential fears over the $68 billion stablecoin’s dependability.



>> No.55611855


But how does this relate to wash trading?

>> No.55611918

>anonymous european sim cards
Do these work?

>> No.55611933

There’s no direct dollar-to-bitcoin exchange you can do outside of those atm’s. Everything on an exchange is either Tether, USDC, or some other stablecoin that’s “supposed” to be 1:1 backed by US dollars

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>But how does this relate to wash trading?

Wash trading is more for getting a pump & dump going. You know those failed attempts at a bull run you see every once in a while? That's wash trading. Every successful bull run? Triggered by wash trading.

Tether is for keeping the BTC price from crashing below a certain threshold, it all seems to be highly coordinated.

>Griffin suspects that a similar dynamic is operating today. He says that collusion to prop up Bitcoin would mean that a clique of buyers agrees to purchase together when the price nears a floor. Let’s say that trigger is $16,000, a figure Bitcoin almost always remained just above during its time of extreme stability. If Bitcoin experiences heavy sales threatening to drive its price below $16,000, in our example, the whale club enters en masse. “That $16,000, for example, could serve as a coordinating mechanism,” says Griffin. The manipulators could drive the price up to near $17,000, then sell part of their winnings in many small trades that don’t move the market. They could pocket big profits just letting the price bounce back and forth in the tunnel between $16,000 and $17,000

>Growing confidence that Bitcoin won’t breach $16,000 would encourage more speculators to join in the buying. Then the group can agree to set a new floor at $18,000. “In crypto, a group of manipulators can push Bitcoin to higher floors unless a big party moves against them,” says Griffin. But it’s much harder to short Bitcoin than to short stocks or bonds. We aren’t seeing evidence of another group moving to drive down the price, giving a stronger hand to any possible club of bulls. “Most of the players in the space have a strong incentive to maintain a price floor,” says Griffin

Muh price action

>> No.55612063

We should care about normies though, every normie lost is another source of taxes for the feds.

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Give it to me straight monero bros

Are we going to make it?

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>Give it to me straight monero bros
>Are we going to kick off a thriving parallel economy and keep glowies seething?


>> No.55612232


Wait, what is the actual value of Bitcoin then? What happens if/when Tether rugs?

>> No.55612417

>Wait, what is the actual value of Bitcoin then?
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s in the high triple digits
>What happens if/when Tether rugs?
Total Moonfag Death. Imagine what would happen in the “real” economy if MSFT and KO scamwick’d down to zero at the same time and then the companies announced they’re closing shop for good

>> No.55612477

Why would Tether willingly kill a lucrative business model? So long as they acquire pre pumped Bitcoin for cheap and sell for higher than they bought, then they're beating the US gov and banks at their own game.

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>tell me you were born after Bitcoin without telling me you were born after Bitcoin

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>Wait, what is the actual value of Bitcoin then?

that's the $21 million question, isn't it? It absolutely is nowhere near $30K, the amount of utilitarian (non-speculative) demand for it has been in unrelenting decline since Monero started taking over its original usecases, so most people buying it these days only do so because they've fallen for the NGU narratives and sincerely believe they can become millionaires just buy holding it. And we all know how the math works out in that paradigm.

Personally, I think its worthless, but that's only because I have very strict standards and appraise by usefulness. BTC clearly sucks as a medium of exchange and the forced digital gold narrative doesn't make sense when BTC doesn't have intrinsic value like actual gold does nor is its value pegged to real, sustainable and growing economic activity as per Monero.

lol"hardest money ever created" and soon you won't even be able to buy a bag of weed with it in the very crypto-based economy it spawned.

>What happens if/when Tether rugs?


>> No.55613050

I like it when normies miss out on things.

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didn't like neither so i made my own

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>Why would Tether willingly kill a lucrative business model?

He likely meant "what happens when Tether is inevitably exposed as a fraud and the USDT price crashes to $0 USD?"

>> No.55613387

is it for xmr or for 4 xmr?

>> No.55613517

No MRL until koe is back from vacation or why there are no logs?

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could someone explain what "spent" is for check_reserve_proof ?

>> No.55613705

Only two more weeks, two more weeks for the last six years.

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>Only two more weeks, two more weeks for the last six years.

>the obvious scam hasn't collapsed yet so that means it never will.

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>Monero carrying dollars
Mark Hunter doesn't get it.

>> No.55616984

Any other book as good as the sovereign individual, whats next after that book

>> No.55617261

The Bitcoin Standard is good, it mostly talks about gold, the history of money, & fiat. There's Curtis Yarvin's writings (Unqualified Reservations). And more recently, The Network State by Balaji. Also, Ludwig von Mises' books are probably required reading though start with some of his shorter works before reading Human Action.

>> No.55617436


Cope. Halvening and Blackrock will push Bitcoin to $100k by next year. Screencap this.

>> No.55618991

GUI wallet or Feather? Or is there something better?

>> No.55619135

Please kill yourself. You will never make it.

>> No.55619210

guys i want to transfer 10$ from cash to xmr. how do i do this? crypto atms aren't my preferred path. my plan is to open a craigslist and say that i will be giving 10 dollars in exchange for the equivalent in monero. Does anyone have any alternative ideas? I don't really want to use any exchanges

>> No.55619770

Can we build an ai politician that works like blockchain where every node gives computing power to the ai

>> No.55620146

What's the best way to swap some xrp into xmr

>> No.55621396
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Alright, announcing the return of the /XMR/ bookclub! This time dipping into the realm of economics with a book of Murray Rothbard. We all know that Monero means money, but does that really entail?
What is money, how does it arise, and most importantly, how do governments undermine it?

We'll be reading the first two chapters (since the first one is the introduction with barely 2 pages) of the book "What has the government done to our money?" for the next Sunday (the 30th of July). This part of the book serves as an introduction to the topic, explaining how does money arise and function in a free society without government intervention.

Murray is excellent at boiling down concepts to the bare essentials, so the book can be read without any previous education on the subject. It was indeed written and last amended in the 1970s, after the abolition of the gold standard for the US dollar. But despite this, the book still holds up today since Austrian economics approaches human action from a deductive, axiomatic standpoint rather than a purely empirical one.

The website will be updated adequately, however no need for a torrent this time around, since the book is publicly available at the courtesy of the Mises Institute with different formats
But just in case, I uploaded a local copy of the English pdf as well.

The book is short one each section can be read in an afternoon, so the plan is to finish this in 3 sessions, so by the 13th of August.

>> No.55621404

(character limit)

The problem with the Bitcoin standard is mostly when it arrives at Bitcoin. Like the section about altcoins. UR is not really my cup of tea to be honest. And I haven't heard about The Network State before, but reading into it, seems aligned with this general. The page count is a concern though. HA definitely requires previous reading, but getting through it would be nice. I'll keep these in mind for a next book, so thanks.

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>> No.55621819
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>This is the genius behind Random X

>> No.55622440

shit politics, but solid code.
I'll take it.

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Wasn't it tevador that created RandomX?

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this is just the redditor brain effect, say woke things for internet points and validation "POWERFUL!", "le racism BAD!", "thank you Howard for not liking slavery!", not a sign of development skills

>> No.55622858

Any instances in court proceedings of large busts caused by failure of the tor network itself?

>> No.55622928

Is have to look but there are examples of people getting shoah’d because they ran an exit node
Reminds me of Stallman. Genius that does amazing work in his domain, but has the absolutely coldest political takes in the universe

>> No.55622965

Based Chan. Checked its price prediction on TM Price prediction and it's not looking good ATM. I will probably move on.

>> No.55623565

>Stallman. Genius that does amazing work
what does he do aside from interviews?

>> No.55623580

your mom

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>>Any instances in court proceedings of large busts caused by failure of the tor network itself?

>The FBI used the NIT to de-anonymize thousand Pedos on Tor

The US law enforcement conducted an unprecedented hacking campaign leveraging on the network investigative technique (NIT) to de-anonymize Tor users.

According to Motherboard, the server running Playpen was seized by the FBI from a web host in North Carolina, then the law enforcement managed the computer to track its visitors. The agents used the a network investigative technique (NIT) to obtain the IP addresses of the Playpen users.

Also in that case the authorities used the server as a bait for online pedos, then the Bureau placed the NIT on the servers and used them to de-anonymize TOR users accessing the illegal content. With this technique, the FBI identified the IP addresses of visitors.

The NIT was also used in 2011, by agents running the “Operation Torpedo,” it was the first time that FBI deployed a tracking code broadly against every visitor to a website, instead of targeting a particular user.


>> No.55624668

yo I think dem niggas printed a lot, n shit

>> No.55625515

>My theory is that politicians gets bribes through it so they keep it around.
it's a reality, not a theory:

>> No.55626740

this article claims there are many no log vpns and you can pay for them anonymously with BITCOIN. in another article claims nordvpn doesn't keep logs, incredible.

>> No.55626786


>one foreign politician paving the way for his future bribe income
what is this schozo shit?

It hasn't been "banned" because it can't be.

How do you shut down a distributed system if all nodes don't agree to shut down?

I and many others have reiterated this for years, are you new? Are you just shitposting to pass the time? Why does it seem like /XMR/ has absolutely no memory?

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someone who is good at photoshop or gimp, please edit picrel into monero-chan and monero-theme'd clothing

>> No.55627629

moonboys begone

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>moonboys begone


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crazy just i just read the free epub on my kindle (yes im a better than you), My fav point about this book related to monero is Medium of Exchange is the most important thing to become money

>> No.55629957

Infinite supply will ruin this coin. Damn shame.

>> No.55630059

>schizo op once again 20% of all replies
kek you guys are so fucked

>> No.55630165

just like gold the new reserve currency

>> No.55630166

You're here, too :)

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Sincere thank ye to this community for yer generous support and donations! Yer generosity was applied to a banner campaign here on the chinz which increased listeners 300-500% per day. Yer positive energy largely led to this project continuing. Merci, Merci, Merci for everything ye have done for us!!!

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>It hasn't been "banned" because it can't be.
>How do you shut down a distributed system if all nodes don't agree to shut down?
Shut the fuck up nerd, everyone knows xmr is decentralized you're not special in pointing that out. We're talking specifically about laws and legislative pressure. People who are too autistic to have normal conversations are insufferable
Pic related is you, fucking dork

>> No.55630986

Does randomx continue to get more difficult as more blocks are mined?
Who's to say CPU power won't scale at a faster rate?

>> No.55631012

Monero is my baby, it's one of the very few with good investors ratings on tokenmetrics, i am stacking more of it and 5 years from now I will have hundreds of thousands of dollars that glowniggers can’t touch.

>> No.55631075

>Does randomx continue to get more difficult as more blocks are mined?
It gets more difficult to mine if the time between blocks is faster than the target of 2 minutes, yes. Monero has an automatic difficulty adjustment to compensate for ever increasing hash power.

>> No.55631288

literally who?

>> No.55631814

Op just fucking kill yourself in a wash trade you stupid fucking nigger. Go wash your fucking nigger teeth in a trade you brain dead jannie nigger. You absolute fucking retard

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>Op just fucking kill yourself in a wash trade you stupid fucking nigger. Go wash your fucking nigger teeth in a trade you brain dead jannie nigger. You absolute fucking retard


>> No.55632634

>crazy just i just read the free epub on my kindle
Told you, it's a short book. But I'd rather have discussions about the sections rather than the book as a whole
>My fav point about this book related to monero is Medium of Exchange is the most important thing to become money
True, the a century of fiat banking has distorted our conceptions of money, and alongside that the conceptions of trade. If a market doesn't have a good medium of exchange, how are actors in it supposed to do economic calculation? What about an entire economy?

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is it not ideal, to build a hydro electric dam in preparation for the hyperinflation of the dollar, in order to mine xmr, and supply your homestead with a renewable source of energy

hyperinflation will bring a general state of anarchy

>> No.55633091

the hydro power will also be useful for a million other things, as will the river itself.

>> No.55633104

indeed, think the power will shift to people who have power and the ability to generate the most efficient currency, xmr

of course gold and silver will still be used

rule of law will collapse and people who have the ability to generate their own electricity will be the local warlords

>> No.55634208

I need a little monerochan to put as a mascot in the bottom right corner on a site I am making. Suggestions?

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>> No.55634288

pls tell me I will make it with this coin. Im so sick and tired of wage slaving so im going all in xmr

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>pls tell me I will make it with this coin.

Not sure about that but you will definitely become a gun-toting crypto-anarchist.

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to be honest, you won't become a millionaire with Monero unless you invest a lot. It's just way too stable (which is good, at worst I've been down about 30% while some other cryptos went down +80%). I have most of my money in XMR but expect at max a 10x (needs 100k invested to get to 1 million) over the next few years.

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>It's just way too stable

Its stable for now but I highly doubt moonfags and speculators are just going to idly sit by and watch as XMR gradually appropriates BTCs usecases without aping in en masse at some point.

I mean, the CoinCards CEO just recently revealed that XMR dominance for US gift card purchases is now at 68%, should hit 3/4 soon. And we all know what's happening in the darknet and ransomware sectors.

Eventually a critical mass of people are going to realize "holy shit, XMR is actually flipping BTC!!!" and then human nature will take its course. And this General will become unbearable.

>> No.55635077

we're in a transitionary period, I can't wait to see what happens in 2024 and then 2027-2028

bitshit miners aren't stupid, they know they're on a sinking ship

>> No.55635106

>bitshit miners aren't stupid, they know they're on a sinking ship
The only way bitshit mining will be profitable in the future is if electricity costs become extremely low, like for example harnessing the geothermal potential of a volcano. Maybe President Bukkake isn’t as dumb as we thought

>> No.55635128

Here are couple of arguments why it won't:
Almost all of the potential new buyers will be skeptical due to being burned by crypto at some point(btc, shitcoins doesn't matter)

On ramps are already a problem(can't buy on coinbase or in some countries) thus limiting the velocity/acceleration. This will only get worse since fomo retards won't use swaps/dex or whatever delusional idea you have.

Muh illegal FUD, muh inflation bug etc. No matter how many times things are explained the average Joe just doesn't have the time/interest/brain power to understand why it's bs.

Current UX is terrible(seraphis will hopefully be live and fix most of it by that time).

And of course there is the endless price manipulation that affects all crypto to various degrees.
All it takes for the fomo retards to sell absolutely everything and kill any potential price movement is few days of red.

There are other points but you get the idea.
I'm saying this as a bagholder so feel free to call me retard that I am.

>just two more weeks
Kek. The btc situation will be interesting tho.

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>Almost all of the potential new buyers will be skeptical due to being burned by crypto at some point(btc, shitcoins doesn't matter)

The established narratives around Monero i.e. "the only goddamn coin that's used!", actual economic relevance, etc give rise to a much more favorable perception. Its pretty obvious to everybody by now that Monero isn't a scamcoin like most other shit out there.

And since growing economic use = increasing demand = consistently rising price = speculators WILL get involved at some point, there's no way to avoid it.

>On ramps are already a problem(can't buy on coinbase or in some countries) thus limiting the velocity/acceleration. This will only get worse since fomo retards won't use swaps/dex or whatever delusional idea you have.

You have to look at it from the POV of somebody who missed out on BTC and has now become utterly convinced that since XMR is following the exact same usecase trajectory it will eventually also hit 5 figures.

What lengths wouldn't somebody with that conviction go to in order to acquire XMR? Imagine if acquiring $150 BTC right now required you to learn how to use a DEX......how much effort would you put into figuring it out? Probably as much as it takes.

>Muh illegal FUD, muh inflation bug etc. No matter how many times things are explained the average Joe just doesn't have the time/interest/brain power to understand why it's bs.

The average Crypto Joe apes into obvious scams out of sheer greed, NGU is the only thing these mouthbreathers notice.

>Current UX is terrible(seraphis will hopefully be live and fix most of it by that time).

Imagine if acquiring $150 BTC right now required you to to struggle with a terrible UX......how many hurdles would you be willing to put up with? Probably as many as it takes.

It really all just comes down to a critical mass of moonfags becoming convinced that "X is the next BTC/ETH/INU/PEPE/etc", that's crypto in a nutshell and why narratives prove so decisive.

>> No.55635811

Is this shit ever going to hit $460 again or is it just going to stay at $160 forever?

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Do the needful.

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>It's pretty obvious to everybody by now
No it isn't
>there's no way to avoid it.
Monero could just be a niche project that stays in the shadows for decades. But I agree with your overall sentiment and think that a normie awakening is inevitable considering the importance of digital cash.
>new buyers
investors in bull cycles are retards. them getting fooled by x token, won't prevent them from getting fooled by y token 4 years later. I think what you mean to say is that Monero isn't particularly exciting as a project, and it won't bring in that rabid new money until at some point a hype event occurs, probably.
Will always exist for any type of investment. Literally anything. The only investment that you can't fud is maximizing yourself, and probably having a diverse portfolio.
>current ux is terrible
Sorta yes, sorta no. crypto on a whole is pretty bad difficult for boomers and annoying for the younger generations. mobile wallets are very simple already, but onboarding and explaining crypto is hard so instead it just gets branded as number go up. Monero does have a few ux things that make it more difficult than other cryptos though and I agree that this will improve with Seraphis and other ways to easily onboard.
>price manipulation
agreed. Monero appears to be somewhat removed from this by not being listed in as many places, but it is fractionally lended.
>just two more weeks
Yeah exactly and we were saying the same thing when dnm adoption started in 2021 lol. There has been almost no new hype for Monero from normies, but we see continued legitimate organic growth in userbase and transactions, which is fantastic though. Also following Monero since ~2016 and the amount of new development coming out is at its highest pace easily. It's also great to see these threads are doing so well in a bear market with discussion.

>> No.55635870 [DELETED] 

>t. living in hyperinflation
>t. economic collapse and port (((explosion))) survivor
fuck keynesians
stack crypto/metals
hoard food/meds/ammo
learn to live minimally
if the XMR bro who posted 3 months ago is here
I need you, I learned , I got better like you suggested
don't let me down


>> No.55635953

>Infinite supply will ruin this coin. Damn shame.
No. This feature makes Monero the best. Gives it price stability and scares away the moonbros.

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>> No.55636250

stop being a beggar fag

>> No.55636291

if bukele was smart he would already have shifted to monero

for all his positives he's failed massively on buying american and chinese bitshit bags, it seems he really thinks that this bitshit play will work

>> No.55636296

why have you been copy pasting the same dogshit fud for 5 years now

>> No.55636309

where will the fbi, and the chinese, and blackrock shift their giant crypto mining operations, if not to monero, you are clearly a fucking retard

usecase equals worth, the current usecase of bitcoin is to dump on unsuspecting retards but it's coming to a close

feds and jews need monero 100x more than we do, it's the best money ever invented

>> No.55636315

more importantly it guarantees longevity

>> No.55636373

They mine whatever is profitable. Right now, Monero is one of the less profitable coins to mine.

>> No.55636380

yes, and when the bitcoin halvings happen and half the profit of bitshit, in 2024 and 2028, then the project will be abandoned

>> No.55636391

I wasn't talking about Bitcoin at all, I was talking about Monero

>> No.55636403

I'm not begging

>> No.55636426

yes and you replied to a post talking about how monero will overtake bitcoin, based on the planned obsolescence of bitcoin and the fact it becomes half as profitable to mine every 4 years

>> No.55636533

Why Monero require the failure of Bitcoin to succeed? It does what it does and it does it well. Litecoin, ETH, etc., all have their market and don't need Bitcoin to fail to meet it.

>> No.55636536

I used to think usecase equals worth, then I bought and held XMR for 7 years. Maybe it just doesn't have a use case

>> No.55636542

*Why does Monero

>> No.55636573
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>Maybe it just doesn't have a use case

>> No.55636656

it doesn't but bitcoin failing, which it will, accelerates the process of our ascension

>> No.55636669

the global financial powers see dumping on retards as a bigger usecase than perfect money at the moment

but that system is planned to fail, because the halvings are stupid

these powers don't want to allow monero to be truly grassroots, they'll invest heavily, it's the only rational thing to do

>> No.55636679

If it's not necessary, then don't worry about them. Let them keep doing their thing and just focus on Monero being the best it can be.

>> No.55636697

I'm not worried about shit, it's just the only logical series of events, if you have any argument against it other than just being a contrarian then you're free to speak

but you just want to be a shitposter

>> No.55636714

In response to the statement "where will blackrock shift their giant crypto mining operations?" I responded "wherever is most profitable, and Monero has poor mining profits right now" which is a fact.

>> No.55637170

>reddit spacing
>spamming posts instead of responding to multiple anons in the same post
>being hostile and attacking anybody who isn't being a moonboy fag (like you)
>completely misunderstanding my post
/pol/ third worlders are the worst.

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Unless you are a time traveler, you cant predict what will happen with BTC price 5 mins from now let alone 15 years from now. The only clear thing is it is deflationary in nature and clearly far more valuable than the USD. You are a dumb niggers. This thread is mostly 2 dumb niggers posting bullshit theories.

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Another thing Monero chuds don't want you to know: the founder of Monero Fluffypony is an admitted Interpol informant.

Its not unthinkable that he's revealed certain vulnerabilities to them, XMR could be compromised and you'd never know it

>> No.55638411

>XMR could be compromised and you'd never know it
The great thing about open source software is that any claims about what it does or does not do can be supported by linking to the relevant portion of the code. You seem to know more than me, so please, tell me what vulnerability is present and how you can prove it

>> No.55638423

>make innocent looking site with webminer.
>go to computer shops, phone shops, go to the url
>minimise tab
do this all day every day


>> No.55638857

He can't do shit because the code is open source while your zcash garbage is closed source and the ceo already admitted you are compliant faggots oh yeah but xmr was a ceo no we don't have CEOs stupid znigger faggot

>> No.55638903

Why not go one step further and get some malware on a usb drive so it's more persistent?

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>> No.55639402


>zcash garbage is closed source

For real? I don't care about that shitcoin, but how can crypto even be closed source?

>> No.55639428

It's open source.

>> No.55639430

it can with scams.

>> No.55639497


zec is piece of shit coin (that will switch to proof of stake) made in zion in collab with mossad, they have a large gaping axe wound backdoor that allows easy access to your "privacy" while you spend your years in pound me in the ass prison.




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>the founder of Monero Fluffypony is an admitted Interpol informant.

First of all, Fluffypony is not the founder of Monero, retard, he was lead maintainer for a while.

And no, Interpol reached out to him for "help", he answered "lolwut?" and they never replied back.

Later some galaxy brain "investigator" on Twitter decided to ask GPT-4 AI for its professional opinion on the matter and concluded that Slicc Ricc is indeed an Interpol informant lmao

In any case, its not like he is in possession of some secret key that can unmask all TXs, that's the beauty of open source.

>> No.55640494

what most likely happened: guy took money from interpol, built some useless chainalaysis-like tracking tool, it probably did not help at all with anything because you just can't hack into sound cryptography. He scammed then. Or nothing at all happened.

In anycase, the Monero network doesn't care and goes on.

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btw, maybe you'd care to explain how this is actually good for Zcash?

>> No.55640640

Is a 1.5% fee OK if I'm getting the XMR instantly ? No need to wait to withdraw? And I'm only doing minimal buys of like $20 or less.

>> No.55640651

You don't buy on Kraken to avoid KYC?
biying $20 at a time can only be inefficient. Buy 500 once, no?

>> No.55640782

>chat jeetpt
>objective tool of deduction
There’s disclaimers on the site that tell you it’ll flat out make shit up rather than say it doesn’t know the answer. If anyone was looking for a reason to ignore everything said by a bluecheckdrone this is it

>> No.55641456

Anyone know why the hashrate jumped that much ?
11 june 2023 : 2,6 GH/s
23 july 2023 : 3,49 GH/s

>> No.55641753

The economy slowing down is encouraging server farms to get roi by mining. It was as low as 2.2gh about a month ago and the gains were in multiple megahash increments, so its not just zoomers and their 13900k.

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>> No.55642759

>38 pbtid
>constantly bumps his shitty thread so it doesn't 404
Get a life

>> No.55642876 [DELETED] 

we litterally have customer service shifts scheduled most of the time

>> No.55642899

Based we need a xmr general.

>> No.55643593

>you aren't being NICE to us
holy shit you're a prissy little faggot

bitcoin will not double in value every 4 years, which means it will fail as a currency because mining isn't justified, gg, fucking retard, now get the fuck out of the monero general

>> No.55644592

bump and seethe

>> No.55644627


>mining isn't justified

Then difficulty's going down. What is your point?

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No. If you haven't noticed, the whole board is dead

>> No.55644715

XMR is the last sensible thread in /biz/ (maybe apart from /pmg/ which sadly is schizo in many ways). Honestly I don't wanna conspiracy idiocy here. Like, "BTC price is all big conspiracy" and all that.

Even 1 or 2 years ago there was sometimes some actual discussion in outer /biz/, but now everything is shitposting, literally indistinguishable from some stupid AI. Totally useless and boring.

XMR was and will be my comfiest hold. It's comfy levels are just divine. Maybe monero general thread was mistake.

>> No.55645240

Maybe you're right, I like Monero a lot, but the same schizos spamming their Bitcoin will go to zero theories, or tripfagging and posting personal photos in the privacy-themed thread, makes things feel less comfy. But there's no where else to have decent conversation.

>> No.55645581

I have to be honest only a small part of the population uses crypto as intended which means buying goods and services and i refer to that to bitcoin, why does bitshit not care about solving fast enough its privacy problems, lightning can't sustain the entire globe and its kinda dogshit to use, also layers2 make the experience of the end user hard to use which is just a no no for any sofrware aplication if it wants to be sucessfull.

>> No.55645600

Also btw who controls xmr, the nodes or the miners? How much consensus does xmr need for an update

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Whatever happened to the haveno exchange? Is it even in development anymore? There last blog post is from last year saying that some dev decided to quit.

Are there any decent bisq alternatives that exist for monero?

>> No.55646038

Fun fact: lightning network makes this shitcoin obsolete.

>> No.55646059

>who controls xmr
The devs

>> No.55646115

That isn't how value works.
If you want to know the real value of something look for its utility.

>> No.55646549

stopped mining over two years ago, in this thread after a long time. So, whats up with Monero nowadays, bros? Still no adoption? Still just treated like stocks, as with every other crypto?
I only got into monero because I genuinely believed that it could replace fiat currency and be a viable currency. But all people do is buy low, sell high, basically treat it like stocks. How the heck is a currency supposed to be stable when it loses 90% of its value overnight? Now, I'm too blackpilled to care anymore, we're never getting our parallel economy.

>> No.55646596

Feeling a bit blackpilled myself too. Lots of personal things have come up in the past two months that have forced me to go full "survival mode" and put a lot of things into perspective. Getting really, really tired... I don't know where I'm going with this, just wanna say I relate.

>> No.55646606
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in the bitchan thread yesterday, someone asked about xmr musicians and shouted out mother suo. his stuff is cool and I wanted to bring that topic over to here and see if any of you knew of other artists.

>> No.55646634

I guess it's just that when all the chips are down, I don't really give a fuck about the ethics of anything beyond supporting myself and my family. Thinking about anything beyond that is a privilege. You've got to have a lot of cash before you even start thinking of investing, let alone preserving it. That's the biggest normie filter right there. Until then, expect people to be scrambling and grasping at any and all straws near them to keep afloat. Monero is just too damn hard to acquire. Nobody wants to talk to a human to get crypto, they want to talk to a computer (aka exchange).

>> No.55646642

Kraken not easy enough for ya?

>> No.55646657

idk about them, but coinbase requires so much personal info and makes you wait a week before you can withdraw any crypto to exchange to xmr. A system where you can just enter in your credit card info, your wallet address, and nothing more would be ideal. Honestly not sure why such a service doesn't exist on the dark net. It's not that hard buy a pre-paid gas station visa card anonymously.

>> No.55646658

NTA but whats the point of a decentralized anonymous currency, under your control, when you hand it over to a deanonymized, centralized platform that can lock you out?

>> No.55646829

Bought 80 XMR today

>> No.55646883

>real knife
>fake video game knife
society is doomed

>> No.55646997

Its the nodes retard

>> No.55647028

Still that's still a bit of a problem since Monero sacrifices node decentralization somewhat.

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>> No.55647279

I am reading cryptonote whitepaper, whats wrong if bitcoin is inflexible how does xmr differ from bitcoin in terms of flexibility

>> No.55647307 [DELETED] 

cryptobear is the obvious answer. ytcracker has a few subtle nods in his lyrics too, if you pay attention to it.

>> No.55647314 [DELETED] 

cryptonote whitepaper does not describe todays version of monero, zero to monero or mastering monero are better resources

>> No.55647696

If we could store data in atoms how much space we have now available for our nodes

>> No.55647881

Dynamic Block sizes come to mind

>> No.55647935

We already know how to store data into DNA

>> No.55648004

I am become XMR, runner of nodes

>> No.55649252

>laws and legislative pressure
To do what? To take it down how exactly, you smelly mouth breathing mongoloid?

To wag their fingers and threaten tax authorities will *really* look into the XMR chain to find my transactions? Get fucking real.

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What exactly do I do with my monero? I took all the shit I had in doge after it crashed and threw it into XMR. Its been there for about two years and hasn't even changed that much. Is there any point in keeping it or should I just dump it for something else?

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>> No.55649362

what the fuck are you saying, do you know what network means?
Dynamic Block sizes, randomized pow algorithm to fuck ASICs and making it fairer to participate, tail emissions securing the network forever instead of meme magic
what do you do with btc, eth, doge?

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>should I just dump it for something else?


>> No.55649582

Use it to buy/sell things? Thats the whole point. If any cryptocurrency is to become more than just a vehicle for speculation people need to exchanges goods and services for it. I try to find things I can purchase with it regularly, not necessarily just drugs either, I've bought coffee, honey, electronics and online services with it recently.

>> No.55649721

I am clearly not representative of the general population, but heck that feels great to have XMR in a cold storage vault, and $100 worth of XMR in a hot wallet on my phone, it's literally freedom money. I can do whatever I want with it, it's so much more real that my bank account, these coins are mine and I can always transact. This is huge

>> No.55650101

bitshit will never have new supply
why don't you fall down and bleed to death
I'm just a poor boy from a poor family
cringe, go all in on bitshit
then security is going down, what's your point, is it a shocking revelation to you that if all the mines close you don't have a currency, let's say we found gold in 2000bc, then the mines were only open for 20 years, do you think we'd be using gold as a currency now, no you stupid dastardly fiend

>> No.55650132

Daily reminder: "Privacy coin" is a trick used by bitcoin maxis to reduce the value proposition of Monero. Do not propagate this. Monero is just the best coin, period.

>> No.55650231


>> No.55650306

>launder my other crypto gains
how? monero atomic swap only works for BTC afaik...

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>monero atomic swap only works for BTC afaik...

ETH <-> XMR swaps are done with others planned.

>> No.55650425


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MoneroChads are just that fearless.

>> No.55650529

*their pictures, missed the plural

Hello everyone, I am holding an anonymous cryptocurrency so the feds don't know what I'm up to, please tell them and/or come to my house and break my knees.

>> No.55650554

fuck you, it's not an anonymous crypto, it's just good normal crypto, fuck you. I will continue to repeat this until the entire internet follows my doctrine.

>> No.55650573

The homepage of getmonero.org describes it as such, "Private, decentralized cryptocurrency that keeps your finances confidential and secure."

>> No.55650632

How? I'm only aware of the BTC atomic swap, which isn't even available to me.

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|How? I'm only aware of the BTC atomic swap, which isn't even available to me.

Our girl came through.


>> No.55650743

Can I have 60 XMR I'm living in hyperinflation

>> No.55650758

> XMR in a cold storage vault,
How does one go about it

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>Can I have 60 XMR I'm living in hyperinflation

Sure thing, buddy. Sent you a little extra just 'cause I like you.

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Aw shucks you're swell.

>> No.55651090

maybe they're just fans of the design, also, no matter how hard the feds try they cannot trace

>> No.55651115


>> No.55651523

If i were to make propaanda for xmr would i get paid

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>If i were to make propaanda for xmr would i get paid

Nigga, this ain't Madison Avenue. Everything we do we do it for her.

>> No.55651589

Make a proposition for a marketing plan and maybe get funding, but no one is going to pay you to hand out AI monerochans on a Mongolian shrimp farming board

>> No.55651656

brainlets fail to realize bitcoin has infinite emissions relative to their life-span (and more inflation relative to monero until 2040)
math is hard
here's a literal bitcoin maxi acknowledging tail emission isn't inflationary btw:

>> No.55652856

bitcoin does not have infinite emissions, it's dead man, let it go

>> No.55652884

You aren't Lebanon, nice try though actually rather give you 20xmr than that begging faggot.
Good on you trying to take money from that massive nigger.

>> No.55653362

>infinite emissions relative to their life-span
again, you can't fucking read. what I said was:
>infinite emissions relative to their [your] life-span
bitcoin will be mined in 2100+ and you will be dead. it's not up for debate.

>> No.55653833

no it won't bitshit will cease being mined in 2028 when it fails to be profitable and usable as a currency

many miners will quit in 2027 and get out early

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>Hello everyone, I am holding an anonymous cryptocurrency

>> No.55653929


>> No.55655173


Monero baggies love playing word games and deflecting but at the end of the day infinite supply = infinite supply.

And that's why Monero will never be able to do what Bitcoin does.

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> Zcash

>> No.55655847


Infinite supply over an infinite timescale, you unmitigated retard.

>> No.55656626

> XMR Redpill: https://yewtu.be/wq6w03E2DS4

yewtu.be video can't no longer be accessed using that kind of shorter URL, for the next post replace it with:

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Updated, thanks.

>> No.55657662

When will XMR be quantum resistant ?

>> No.55657709

Like 1-1,5 years

>> No.55658792


Not something you need to worry about atm

>> No.55659406

gold is gold

digital gold is digital gold, I'm glad we've come to this conclusion for the 1000000th time

>> No.55660302

bump for Disclosure Now

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>> No.55663583

Bretty good show. I wish there was more music though.

>> No.55663777

when is xmr going on sale it's so overpriced

>> No.55664018

Absolutely no one cares about Monero, so there's no incentive to ban
Also it's impossible to enforce the ban without going full into Chinese firewall

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>Absolutely no one cares about Monero, so there's no incentive to ban

It's already been soft-banned in Australia, South Korea and Japan, can't buy XMR domestically.

>> No.55664173

>can't buy XMR domestically
legally, you should clarify. in my part of muttlardistan people literally do drug deal drops through the taco bell drive thru, no reason to believe xmr couldn’t be part of that equation

>> No.55664427

We know what money is, money is simply information, communist
and lenin were fucking retarded when they tried to get rid of money by inflating the money supply but they didn't realize money is simply the universal medium of exchange,
now that we know money is simply information then we also know
monero is also the best CryptoCurrency because its the most fungible one. One of the aspects that make digital money superior is that it also can divide almost at infinity, physical cash suffers because of that.

The key to acquire millions of users is physical monero, let me explain, lets say we develop a layer 2 in monero that i don know has smart contracts or its just lightning. Lets say i put 1 monero in one smart contract with 10 subdivisions possible, now i print 1giant qr code that represents 1 monero that i can cut it into 10 pieces because that one giant qr code is made of 10 qr codes and this smaller qr codes every single one of them has a value of 0.1 monero.

Can we get something like this, a lot of people are fucking retarded when it comes to digital money so we need monero or lets say bitcoin in an analog way.

>> No.55665121

Why buy this when Zcash is the coin with zksnarks?

>> No.55666414

How lonely and retard you must be to come into XMR channel to spam your Zshit

>> No.55667770


Because Monero can achieve equivalent privacy without riskier moon math.

>> No.55667908

>Because Monero can achieve equivalent privacy without riskier moon math.


It's over.
Zecshit and bitshit on suicide watch.

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>> No.55669739


Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ IRSς IRSι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ
- Jezus

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opote prosefchomaste

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Thank ye so much for listening and yer positive energy, mate!!! It be a challenging balance to figure out the right balance of music, humor and various stuff we want to throw in every broadcast. But we seriously appreciate how much ye enjoyed the music and want more! Check out the next broadcast, which will have one of the best soundtracks ever. We usually try to keep everything a secret before release but we are absolutely giddy with how bad ass the next soundtrack is. <3



>> No.55670284

means wat?

>> No.55671481

"so we pray" in latin alphabet phonetic modern Greek. English is my first language and I'm not even sure that "so we pray" is a phrase used among Greeks, but whatever.

>> No.55672550

I still don't see the point of this when CoinJoin and Lightning exist. Token not needed, period.

>> No.55672572

Kek no one uses that shit and many of those who do use custodial wallets. True retards. Bitcoiners don't care about privacy and opsec, only line go up.

>> No.55672914

neither of them work

>> No.55672921

>posted two days ago.

>> No.55673237

good luck using the LN in dark net markets

>> No.55673268

I've never used a darkweb market, I don't use drugs

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>I still don't see the point of this when CoinJoin and Lightning exist

Do you see the heavy hitters of the privacy space using and endorsing CJ or LN? Exactly.

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>good luck using the LN in dark net markets

Mention LN on Dread and you'll immediately be shut down.

>> No.55673512

soon it will be illegal in europe to go over your meat ration, and you'll have digital euro, sucks to suck, you will eat the bugs

>> No.55673577

NEW THREAD: >>55673576
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