/XMR/ Monero General

[Anonymous No.55522408]

Welcome to the Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's leading decentralized P2P privacy cryptocurrency!

Monero is secure, low-fee, and fungible, meaning users can send XMR around the globe despite corrupt governments or broken financial systems. Innovative privacy features such as Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses, and Ring CT ensure that Monero's blockchain is obfuscated -- In other words, the financial history of all Monero users is encrypted from the prying eyes of adversaries on a public blockchain, with transactions being visible only by a user willingly providing a view key.

Monero has also improved upon the scaling downsides of current popular cryptocurrencies. To avoid high fees, dynamic block size ensures that the size of the blocks will increase as the amount of transactions increases. Further, the mining network algorithm RandomX establishes that anybody with a CPU can participate in mining, preventing the ASIC miner domination that creates a high barrier to entry. Lastly, the mining network will be preserved by Tail Emission -- instead of the block reward falling to zero like with Bitcoin, the block reward gradually approached 0.6 XMR in June 2022, where it will forever stay. This constant linear inflation means the inflation rate will asymptotically go to zero while continuing to provide an incentive to miners to maintain the network.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.

XMR Redpill: https://yewtu.be/wq6w03E2DS4

XMR Stats: moneroj.net

USE Monero: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/

OFFICIAL WEBSITE - getmonero.org

WHERE TO GET MONERO?

>KYC:
Kraken
Binance
Bitfinex

>Non KYC:
LocalMonero
Morphtoken
Bisq
Kucoin
Tradeogre
Crypto ATMs
see: kycnot.me

>Mining
archive.is/TWOah

HOW TO STORE MONERO?

>Desktop
Official Gui/Cli
Feather

>Mobile
IOS: Cakewallet
Android: Monerujo

[Anonymous No.55522417]

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>55459774

[Anonymous No.55522422]

START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL
START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

[Anonymous No.55522432]

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

[Anonymous No.55522451]

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Buy silver/gold bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Buy books with XMR
https://monerobookstore.com/

>Monero-only Airbnb
https://safehouse.homes/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.win/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Archetyp
>ASAP
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>Darkmoon
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>HighSupply #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/n5tGcLQP


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

[Anonymous No.55522459]

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE


>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

[Anonymous No.55522465]

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.


>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total BTC = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings BTC would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per BTC and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

[Anonymous No.55522634]

I saw a thread linked about someone making a marketplace and asking for some XMR?
Anyone got the link or address?

[Anonymous No.55522662]

>>55522634
89EwAxkxTxx9czgzGUcegZj5C9FhNojnBMAEJoesfn7gP8YXzq5n3caZbvMY3JxMZTMVgh8dbpojSSRX4Ujk86wAB8U6wx9

[Anonymous No.55522694]

Reporting in,
fuck Bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.55522735]

>>55522634
>>55522662
>Guys im totally not Lebanon who just got banned for samefagging and saying he's using xmr to sell drugs.

sigh we can't ever have just a general.

[Anonymous No.55523111]

>>55522408
>SEX WITH MONERO-CHAN
>IMPREGNATING MONERO-CHAN

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.55523133]

Reporting in
##################################
Swimng Pool - https://pastebin.com/raw/Mb7Dyg24
IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
##################################
Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

[Anonymous No.55523575]

For the Captain!

https://redcircle.com/shows/CaptainBlackbeard

The King of Pirate Radio that supports and promotes XMR.

>New Episodes beginning Mid-August

[Anonymous No.55523583]

>>55522634
>Introducing Neveko: https://github.com/creating2morrow/neveko
>full-stack privacy application with gpg messaging, monero multisig and built-in i2p marketplace
>Still a work in progress, and pretty much an alpha. But run it, and give feedback, file issues---very much appreciated.
>Monero + I2P = ( THE FINAL SOLUTION to the taxman question )

Unfathomably based and agoristpilled. Kudos for going with I2P instead of Tor, this is the way.

Post a reminder in every General, this is exactly the kind of thing the circular Monero economy needs.

[Anonymous No.55523695]

I think someone needs to develop something like athena app but that includes monero as well, make your payment app so good it includes the payment of other CryptoCurrencys by default

[Anonymous No.55523716]

>>55523583
You have a donation wallet? Work this good shouldn't go unappreciated, or do you plan on integrating the support like xmrig?

[Anonymous No.55523731]

>>55523716
Yeah it's here
>>55523402
LebAnon we know it's you.

[Anonymous No.55523757]

>>55523731
>>55522662
Nope, different addresses, LebAnon always uses same one to verify himself
Stop trying to push your schizo agenda on everyone

[Anonymous No.55523762]

>>55523716
I am not the developer.
Check the linked github page.
The developer says sending XMR is unnecessary. Just test Neveko, file/report bugs, and maybe help with the documentation.

Ignore the beggars in this thread.

[Anonymous No.55523766]

>>55523757
>Multiple ID's this thread
>>55523751

So is it you or is it not... how would we know, also if someone is impersonating you fucking based kys faggot beggar.

[Anonymous No.55524100]

What did Zooko mean by this?

[Anonymous No.55524165]

Don't forget, transaction privacy is just one part of a holistic approach to your security! Check out the XMR general opsec discussions!

>Previous discussions
PGP - pastebin.com/K5uK4vvg
File Verification - pastebin.com/64jdYSua
Compartmentalization - pastebin.com/fduPVLmV
Case File Reading - pastebin.com/6Jgr2zsL

[Anonymous No.55524173]

>>55524100
It screams we are compliant please buy our token.
Can't wait until they run out of money, should be soon.
Hell maybe some of their more talented mercenaries will jump ship for some of that CCS money.

[Anonymous No.55524199]

>>55524100
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.55524215]

>>55522408
>>55522417
>>55522422
>>55522432
>>55522451
>>55522459
>>55522465
>>55522634
>>55522662
>>55522694
>>55522735
>>55523111
>>55523133
>>55523575
>>55523583
>>55523695
>>55523716
>>55523731
>>55523757
>>55523762
>>55523766
>>55524100
>>55524165
>>55524173
>>55524199
checked

[Anonymous No.55524217]

I don't like how the shillers of this coin promote crime and encourage me to partake in it.

[Anonymous No.55524229]

>>55524215
ooops, wrong button

[Anonymous No.55524343]

>>55522422
>>55523111
>>55523133
>>55523766
>>55524100
>>55524199
checked

[Anonymous No.55524344]

>>55524217

[Anonymous No.55524712]

>>55524217
Zooko is that you?

[Anonymous No.55525900]

[Anonymous No.55526228]

>>55524217
Crime is relative anon, buying a beer down the street might be legal in most places today, but some places would call that a crime. My personal dream is to convince the burrito place down the street to accept XMR.

[Anonymous No.55526315]

>>55522408
There’s not even any crimes worth doing anymore. The government took them over

[Anonymous No.55526517]

>>55524165
This weeks discussion is, don't be like this fucking guy. Kek
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/former-security-engineer-international-technology-company-arrested-defrauding

[Anonymous No.55526619]

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

[Anonymous No.55526624]

Hey guys gather around I have something to tell you guys, it's extremely important alpha nobody knows here, only for your eyes...

You ready?

[Anonymous No.55526632]

This is what Monero chuds don't want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

[Anonymous No.55526869]

>>55524344
salatin enjoyer
>>55526228
I feel like our victory is inevitable

[Anonymous No.55526900]

Announcement is I'm gay....
Guess nobody cares.

[Anonymous No.55527046]

>>55526632
> Zcash was designed to protect consumers' financial privacy while retaining compatibility with global AML/CFT standards
Is anyone this retarded? You must be trolling lmao. Even LTC with mimblewimble or BTC with coinjoins (which are by no means perfect) have more credibility in the privacy space than whatever the fuck you're peddling.
Do you even know who your target audience is retard? You think you're gonna sell "compliance" to og crypto-anarchists and people who depend on privacy to survive? Compliance is what dogs broken at training school exhibit. Go sell NordVPN subscriptions to midwit teenagers on tiktok, you'll have more success there.

[Anonymous No.55527057]

>>55526900
Sorry to hear that anon, I hope you feel better.

[Anonymous No.55527107]

>>55526900
based

[Anonymous No.55527109]

>>55527057
>>55527107
Thanks anons.

[Anonymous No.55527794]

>>55526632
I dunno if it's just me, I prefer Monero, it still remains significantly more private and secure than its more popular brethren.
and I have more conviction after seeing it on tokenmetrics bullish list.

[Anonymous No.55528033]

>>55526619
> Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.
Even they admit that it's obsolete, picrel.

[Anonymous No.55528073]

>>55526619
> Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.
Only a limited feature set of Zcash (t-transactions), the signature features (shielding, deshielding and z-transactions) aren't available on most exchanges and not even in most applications.
So Zcash is effectively just a mixer, in which case you might as well use any other crypto asset with mixing, like Bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.55528158]

>>55522408
What do you all think will happen to the price of monero when CBDCs are released?

[Anonymous No.55528165]

>>55528033
> Eli Ben-Sasson

Kol ‘od balevav penimah
Nefesh Yehudi homiyah,
Ulfa’ate mizrach kadimah,
‘Ayin leTziyon tzofiyah;

‘Od lo avdah tikvatenu,
Hatikvah bat shnot ’alpayim,
𝄆 Lihyot ‘am chofshi be’artzenu,
’Eretz-Tziyon virushalayim. 𝄇

[Anonymous No.55528170]

>>55527046
>Go sell NordVPN subscriptions to midwit teenagers on tiktok
Uff. You killed him dude!

[Anonymous No.55528179]

>>55525900
monerochan is a cute

[Anonymous No.55528338]

>>55525900
keked and checked
good meme anon

[Anonymous No.55529210]

>>55522408
I asked Chat CPT to write me a Monero article and edited it to be a little useful.. what to you think about the following article?

___

Catching Money Launderers: Operation Areopagus

Introduction:

Money laundering using Monero, the process of disguising the origins of illegally obtained money, has become a global epidemic that poses significant threats to economies, governments, and societies. It enables criminals to legitimize their ill-gotten gains, fund illegal activities, and erode the integrity of financial systems using the thinly regulated Peer-to-Peer (P2P) methods. However, authorities worldwide are stepping up their efforts to catch these money launderers and dismantle their networks both online (using shady websites like Localmonero) and offline using underground networks. This article explores the strategies and tools employed by lawful actors to combat money laundering and financing of terrorism using Anonymity Enhanced Cryptocurrencies (AECs) like ZCash, Monero and Dash.

[Anonymous No.55529222]

>>55529210

Strategies for Catching Money Launderers using offline payment methods:

1. Creating fake 'buyer' profiles on P2P sites like Localmonero and gather sufficient number of real-world address that are used for 'Buy Monero with Cash' and 'Sell Monero with Cash'.

2. Sharing data with international task forces to cast a wider net on individuals involved in illicit activities using Monero.

3. Strengthening Financial Regulations and Monitoring: Governments and regulatory bodies have implemented stringent anti-money laundering (AML) laws and regulations. Financial institutions are required to conduct thorough customer due diligence, monitor transactions, and report suspicious activities to relevant authorities. This proactive approach helps identify potential money laundering activities and allows for prompt intervention.

[Anonymous No.55529252]

>>55529222
4. Enhanced Data Analysis and Technology: Advanced data analysis tools, such as artificial intelligence and machine learning algorithms, are increasingly
used to detect patterns and anomalies in financial transactions. These technologies can identify suspicious activities, even in vast amounts of data,
helping authorities target their investigations more effectively.

5. International Cooperation and Information Sharing: Money laundering is a transnational crime, and effective detection and prevention require
collaboration among countries. International organizations, such as the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), facilitate cooperation, encourage the adoption of global AML standards, and facilitate the exchange of information among member countries.

6. Strengthening Law Enforcement Agencies: Governments are investing in training programs and resources for law enforcement agencies to enhance their
capabilities in detecting and prosecuting money launderers. This includes specialized units, such as financial intelligence units (FIUs), that focus on
analyzing financial data and coordinating with other agencies to investigate and prosecute money laundering cases.

7. Public-Private Partnerships: Collaboration between the public and private sectors plays a crucial role in sneeding money laundering. Financial
institutions, including banks and payment processors, are required to implement robust AML measures and report suspicious transactions. Additionally,
partnerships with technology companies and fintech firms enable the development of innovative solutions to detect and prevent money laundering activities.

[Anonymous No.55529262]

>>55529252
Conclusion:

Catching money launderers using AECs is a complex and ongoing battle that requires a multi-faceted approach. Strengthening financial regulations,
leveraging advanced technologies, promoting international cooperation, empowering law enforcement agencies, and fostering public-private partnerships are
all critical components of the fight against money laundering. By combining these strategies and continuously adapting to evolving tactics employed by
criminals, global efforts to catch money launderers can effectively disrupt their networks and protect the integrity of financial systems worldwide.

[Anonymous No.55530365]

>muh statistical language model
everything in that sharticle is useless without the ability to link transactions to wallets

[Anonymous No.55530801]

>>55522408
>>55522465

Op remains a clueless ignorant nigger about where liquidity actually comes from for monero and for BTC

[Anonymous No.55530818]

>>55530801

[Anonymous No.55530877]

>>55528165
>>55528170
>>55529210
>>55529222
>>55529252
>>55529262

[Anonymous No.55530965]

Threadly reminder that there is now a parallel XMR General on the darknet imageboard BitChan where you can post with the absolute maximum degree of privacy possible.

Why bother? Well, remember that every time you post on 4chan the content + your IP address are being logged and that data can and will be made available to LE/glowies upon request.

So if you need to ask a very delicate question, want to make a potentially incriminating announcement or you otherwise just absolutely positively DO NOT WANT to risk being deanonymized, the BitChan thread would be the place to do it.

The slightly higher barrier to entry also serves as a badly needed retard filter so a lot of us post there simply to avoid the hordes of mouth breathers that befoul this otherwise delightful basket weaving forum.

>How do I access BitChan?

You need to have I2P configured & running on your device. Fortunately, pre-configured browser bundles are now available and make everything easy. Since most of you lazy faggots are still using Windows we'll default to that for the following guide:

1. Visit https://i2pd.website/ and click on 'Download I2PdBrowser'.
2. Download either the I2PdBrowserPortable_xxx.7z or .exe file. Extract/install it.
3. Run the StartI2PdBrowser.bat batch file to launch. Adjust firewall settings/port forward as required. Port forwarding > UPnP

A cmd window will pop up and initialize the process. A windowed Firefox instance should soon appear. DO NOT RESIZE IT! Browser fingerprinting is a thing. Once pic-related appears you are officially browsing the darknet! You can monitor yr I2P service by visiting http://127.0.0.1:7070/ in yr *regular* browser.

Then simply copy/paste the following link into the address bar as per usual:

http://bitchan.i2p/thread/BM-2cVPN9mi9oBKATjNxKkopHJSCU9ah7wQwW/047186ce462d

You may have to complete a CAPTCHA on your first visit. Also, NEVER, EVER ENABLE JAVASCRIPT!!!!

Keep in mind that page loading takes longer on the darknet, so be patient.

[Anonymous No.55530978]

>>55530965
Deploy on tor and I’ll join your forum. Fuck i2p.

[Anonymous No.55530999]

>>55530978
>Deploy on tor and I’ll join your forum. Fuck i2p.

[Anonymous No.55531013]

moneromarket.io

[Anonymous No.55531611]

>>55530365
Yeah chatgpt is fucking useless

[Anonymous No.55531929]

>>55530999
It actually is on tor though, it's accessible with both.

[Anonymous No.55533359]

[Anonymous No.55534499]

up or down?

[Anonymous No.55535728]

>>55534499
Down to finish the M

[Anonymous No.55535773]

I have more exciting news...

[Anonymous No.55535797]

>>55535773
What is it Anon? I'm excited already! What's the news?

[Anonymous No.55535804]

>>55535797
I'm going to need a group of at least 10 hairy men to gather around, someone bring the organic coconut oil.

[Anonymous No.55536087]

Get real, you can't even audit the supply, which is uncapped btw and there's basically no hashrate securing the network.

Bitcoin only, everything else is just burning money.

[LebAnon No.55536333]

>>55536087
kek
seethe more
1)supply can be audited, its just not as straightforward as BTC you dolt
'print_coinbase_tx_sum'
you can verify the total amount of XMR created in coinbase txs( aka minting new coins
since I dont think you have any due diligence done, youre just seething)
regular txs dont create or destroy coins, only transfer. hence why these amounts are hidden - its a feature, not a bug,
Monero has cryptographic checks to ensure coins arent created or destroyed in this, go audit the code

2)18.4 million XMR is the cap on main coin mined, but "tail emission" comes to the rescue
which is downright genius - dont get me started on atomic swaps ,
so 0.6XMR per 2 minute block after the main emission to incentivize miners UNLIKE bitcoin
watch sound money, safe mode
This model causes less than 1% inflation initially, and this decreases over time
so its not uncapped in the usual shitcoinery sense

3) hashrate is lower than bitcoin because of the smaller size of the network
WITHOUT compromising on security, God bless RandomX, TRUE money, for any CPU
hecne why decentralized

4) "BiTcOiN OnLy, EvErYtHiNg ElSe Is JuSt BuRnInG MoNeY"
Mnoero is what people think Bitcoin is and makes (((bankers))) seethe
true digital money

I'll always push away fuddies

[LebAnon No.55536340]

>>55536333
you know my trips don't lie

[LebAnon No.55536357]

>>55536340

[Anonymous No.55536403]

>>55536087
> Bitcoin only
https://github.com/sethforprivacy/presentations/blob/main/Moving%20Past%20Tribalism%20to%20Freedom%20via%20Monero.pdf

[Anonymous No.55537484]

>>55526517
>(i) conducting token-swap transactions, (ii) “bridging” fraud proceeds from the Solana blockchain over to the Ethereum blockchain, (iii) exchanging fraud proceeds into Monero, an anonymized and particularly difficult cryptocurrency to trace, and (iv) using overseas cryptocurrency exchanges.
How was he caught?

[Anonymous No.55537607]

>>55536087

Go away, grandpa, you are drunk.

[Anonymous No.55537933]

>>55526517
>>55537484

DOJ has a habit of making up fake stories either to scare the plebs or to give a heads up to it's own people.
It also appears to be a hitpiece on DeFi.

There are so many 'tells' in that article.

> published on 711

> Chad Plantz, the Special Agent in Charge of the San Diego Field
Chad who is a plant, capische?

> Tyler Hatcher, the Special Agent in Charge of the Los Angeles Field Office of the Internal Revenue Service
> Hatcher
He is good at hatching plans they say!

> SHAKEEB AHMED
Shakeeb means Patience in Arabic
How patiently did they catch the bad guy!

> He then allegedly tried to hide the stolen funds, but his skills were no match for IRS Criminal Investigation's Cyber Crimes Unit.
> but his skills were no match for IRS Criminal Investigation's Cyber Crimes Unit.
Oh my! bad guys beware!
Look at the last paragraph of IMF's DeFi report last week.
Creativity-less fucks! /s

> he searched for the terms “can I cross border with crypto,”
> he visited a website titled “16 Countries Where Your Investments Can Buy Citizenship . . .”
How convinient!

> AHMED, 34, of New York, New York,
He is one year older than 33. Based.

> The charges contained in the Indictment are merely accusations, and the defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.
Yea, they always say that after taking a big ol steamy dump on the alleged accused.

[Anonymous No.55538546]

Monero scores place 37/40 and last out of all real cryptos in "Institution-Grade ESG Ranking".

https://ccdata.io/research/esg-rankings

[Anonymous No.55538594]

>>55538546
FUCKING BASED

[Anonymous No.55538656]

>>55538546
Why is that only the kiked up coins have A ratings?

[Anonymous No.55538688]

>>55538546
>Monero scores place 37/40 and last out of all real cryptos in "Institution-Grade ESG Ranking".

HOLY BRAGGING RIGHTS!

[Anonymous No.55538853]

Federated marketplaces are the future. Somebody needs to get on this.
https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/395#note_21836

[Anonymous No.55538904]

>>55538546
>zcucks didn’t even make it on to a list that includes the internet computer

[Anonymous No.55539679]

Is this safe:
>Buy BTC on kyced exchange
>transfer to Tresor
>Tresor to tradeogre
>Buy xmr with the BTC on tradeogre
>send xmr from tradeogre to own xmr wallet
>send xmr to dnm

[Anonymous No.55539787]

>>55539679
> by xmr on lm
game over.

[Anonymous No.55539800]

>>55539787
>>55539679
I mean game over for glowies

[Anonymous No.55540024]

>>55538546
Based. we need to be #40 at the official ESG ranking. In fact, we need to be banned and end up in a separate list for anti-environment, anti-social and anti-governance

[Anonymous No.55540229]

>>55538546
That shit looks arbitrary to deny us the win. Considering there's literally no crypto that goes solely by "circle," the second is a cex stablecoin, and the other is cex swap shitcoin, there's no way that untraceable money isn't a problem unless they are in on the joke. CZ having a party noose is enough to bring the ire of the jew, I get, but how the fuck is untraceable currency not digital hitler in their eyes?

[Anonymous No.55540881]

>>55538904
>>zcucks didn’t even make it on to a list that includes the internet computer

Zcucks never fail to amuse.

[Anonymous No.55541446]

>>55539800
rip glownigs

[Anonymous No.55541476]

Okay guys I was just joking I'm not gay I swear!
I didn't mean for XRP to win their lawsuit with my homosinuality.

[Anonymous No.55542675]

It's not even funny at this point

[Anonymous No.55542828]

>changenow LNBTC to Monero down
glowies shut down my secret super cheap onramp >:(

[Anonymous No.55544103]

Reminder that moonfags get the rope.

[Anonymous No.55544149]

>>55537933
>Chad Plantz
fucking kek

[Anonymous No.55544806]

>>55542675

[Anonymous No.55546331]

[Anonymous No.55546892]

>monero crabs while rest of market moons
>just chillin here unfazed

At last I truly see

[Anonymous No.55546944]

>>55546892
>rest of market moons

pump & dump wash trading.

[Anonymous No.55547067]

ERC-5564 will make monero obsolete. You guys are too dumb to know that though.

[Anonymous No.55547084]

>>55546944

Cope harder, baggies. BTC will soon hit $100K while you faggots will still be stuck at $150 and larping as cypherpunk badasses kek

There really is no second best.

[Anonymous No.55547137]

hey is there anywhere to play XMR poker?

[Anonymous No.55547305]

>>55547137
XMR poker? Yeah maybe in the trash with a hobo

[Anonymous No.55548057]

>>55547084
>BTC will soon hit $100K while you faggots will still be stuck at $150 a
Good, bitshit would be serving its only purpose, then: buying XMR with it at the top of the bull market cycle.

[Anonymous No.55548268]

what are the implications of drug deregulation on the price of XMR

[Anonymous No.55548373]

>>55548268
Short term probably a drop, due to secrecy not being needed anymore in getting now-legal goods.
Medium term it will probably return to normal prices (or even rise) when inevitably unregulated drugs become way cheaper (due to them not paying any kind of tax).

[Anonymous No.55548974]

>>55535728
man can only hope!

[Anonymous No.55549161]

Funding complete!
Wallet SDK for android:
https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/vd-wallet-sdk-android.html

[Anonymous No.55549470]

>>55549161
Moner is simply becoming uncensorable.. isn tit?

[Anonymous No.55549567]

>>55536087
1)supply can be audited, its just not as straightforward as BTC you dolt
'print_coinbase_tx_sum'
you can verify the total amount of XMR created in coinbase txs( aka minting new coins
since I dont think you have any due diligence done, youre just seething)
regular txs dont create or destroy coins, only transfer. hence why these amounts are hidden - its a feature, not a bug,
Monero has cryptographic checks to ensure coins arent created or destroyed in this, go audit the code

2)18.4 million XMR is the cap on main coin mined, but "tail emission" comes to the rescue
which is downright genius - dont get me started on atomic swaps ,
so 0.6XMR per 2 minute block after the main emission to incentivize miners UNLIKE bitcoin
watch sound money, safe mode
This model causes less than 1% inflation initially, and this decreases over time
so its not uncapped in the usual shitcoinery sense

3) hashrate is lower than bitcoin because of the smaller size of the network
WITHOUT compromising on security, God bless RandomX, TRUE money, for any CPU
hecne why decentralized

4) "BiTcOiN OnLy, EvErYtHiNg ElSe Is JuSt BuRnInG MoNeY"
Mnoero is what people think Bitcoin is and makes (((bankers))) seethe
true digital money

[Anonymous No.55549583]

>>55549470
indeed brothers
godspeed, wgmi
death to fiat

[Anonymous No.55549588]

>>55549583
Fuck off Lebanon

[Anonymous No.55550177]

>>55549588
wtf is wrong with you schizo

[Anonymous No.55550224]

>>55550177
Get over here and get that bussy ready for me boy, I like my men hairy and disgusting from the summer heat and middle eastern preferably.
Now get ready for the BIG surprise.

[Anonymous No.55550487]

>>55550177
new bot, be nice.

[Anonymous No.55550565]

What are some cool porn sites or telegram groups I can pay with monero?

[Anonymous No.55550725]

>>55550565
Sublimedirectory.com

[Anonymous No.55550737]

>>55550224
sage

[Anonymous No.55550766]

when will monero cryptocurrency be worth more than $200? I have 4.34 of them

[Anonymous No.55550915]

>>55550766
>when will monero cryptocurrency be worth more than $200?

Next Thursday.

[Anonymous No.55551022]

>>55547084
>BTC will soon hit $100K

lol as if. BTC only keeps bleeding real-world economic relevance while public sentiment on crypto only keeps getting more and more negative thus the pool of available fools only keeps shrinking, the odds of another massive bullrun just keep getting worse and worse, the upcoming halvening notwithstanding.

Sorry, bucko, the only thing that gives crypto SUSTAINABLE value is permissionless economic activity e.g. the consistent sale/purchase of goods & services on the black market, free from State interference, something Monero will soon have a monopoly on.

[Anonymous No.55551807]

>>55551022
So when it does hit 100k what will your cope be? More "it's not real, it doesn't count because it's wash traded"?

[Anonymous No.55551870]

>>55550725
I was hoping for something more spicy, I can pay for that site with fiat money too

[Anonymous No.55551874]

>>55550915
Gongo, Gringo, Congo, Chondo

[Anonymous No.55551936]

Ok i have been using bitcoin and just trying to preserve its pseudoanonimous privacy its fucking hard its almost as if that shit was a pilot for cbdcs or bitcoiners are just fucking incompetent

Anyways i would like to know could we build something like lightning but for monero, i know monero already scales pretty well by itself but i think it could get even stronger if we could do what lightning allows bitcoin to do.

Because basically with lightning bitcoin is more than just money, lighting allows bitcoin to be web servers, emails, websites, identity confirmation, lightning apps i feel the endgame for this protocols its not just to be money as well but more.

Because lets compare this to centralized garbage like wechat, the chinese love it because its convenient and they can do everything with it however they are bugman the people around me also think chinese are bugman for loving their goverment so much, i feel bitcoin privacy doesn't cut it and a one technocratic world goverment will simply absorb bitcoin, also elon musk wants to make twitter an everything app, basically people like centralization so why we don't do everything that makes bitcoin "great" and repeat it in monero or is it too hard, i don't know if it would be as simple or even possible and i mean i know some programming but not enough so i would like some thoughts on this.

[Anonymous No.55551971]

>>55522408

Your participation needed:

Global. Hyperinflation. General. /GHG/ >>>/pol/434464027

[Anonymous No.55552008]

>>55551870
Lemonparty.org
Try not too nut too hard.

[Anonymous No.55552356]

>>55551807
>So when it does hit 100k what will your cope be?

No chance it hits $69K again, let alone $100K. This ain't 2018 anymore, the average normie is now by default more likely to immediately associate any mention of crypto with "scam!", there's just been waaaaaaaaay too many crypto scandals over the past few years for them to believe anything else, and rightly so.

And as mentioned, the shadow economy activity that was the primary source of organic demand for BTC for the past decade is now drying up and going exclusively to Monero.

The math simply doesn't work, BTC is now a house of cards that is being propped up by the hopes & dreams of delusional bagholders, and that can't last forever.

>More "it's not real, it doesn't count because it's wash traded"?

Why don't you ask the ghost of Bernie Madoff about how real his yields were?

[Anonymous No.55552435]

>>55551936
>Anyways i would like to know could we build something like lightning but for monero, i know monero already scales pretty well by itself but i think it could get even stronger if we could do what lightning allows bitcoin to do.

Seth has been looking into it, nothing planned as of yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XVMUVvwxUE

[Anonymous No.55552614]

>>55551936
> basically with lightning bitcoin is more than just money, lighting allows bitcoin to be web servers, emails, websites, identity confirmation, lightning apps i feel the endgame for this protocols its not just to be money as well but more.
That would be RGB (which is either an alternative to lightning or a layer on top of it, depending on who you ask), not lightning.

[Anonymous No.55553951]

[Anonymous No.55554317]

>>55551936
There are plans for payment channels (see the talk that >>55552435
links), but LN routing breaks privacy pretty badly.

[Anonymous No.55554428]

>>55551936
>Because basically with lightning bitcoin is more than just money, lighting allows bitcoin to be web servers, emails, websites,

I assume this involves using bitcoin to pay for some VPS? You can already pay for VPS with almost any cryptocurrency. I used litecoin/monero to pay for a webserver/seedbox the other day.

> identity confirmation,

I assume this just involves keypairs? You can use any cryptocurrency with signature functionality for this. Or you can just use GPG.

> lightning apps i feel the endgame for this protocols its not just to be money as well but more.

If it just involves paying for some service with low fees, then it could be implemented in monero with payment channels. If these services involve scripting or lightning routing, then it probably can't be ported to monero because scripting and routing breaks privacy, unless it can be implemented with scriptless scripts (https://github.com/BlockstreamResearch/scriptless-scripts).).

I'm interested in how these services are implemented, if you have any links to share. I have been keeping my ear to the LN discussions, but most of the bitcoin articles are aimed towards low-info users.

[Anonymous No.55554478]

>>55526619

Kekus, Z brethen even created a parody for Monero-chan.

[Anonymous No.55554766]

Can someone explain to me or link a good source on how Monero works and specifically how its different from Bitcoin?

[Anonymous No.55554847]

>trading volume up >30% in the last 24 hours

What did they mean by this

[Anonymous No.55554969]

>>55554766
>Can someone explain to me or link a good source on how Monero works and specifically how its different from Bitcoin?

>nobody inspecting the blockchain can deterministically prove which output is being spent. (Ring Signatures)
>nobody inspecting the blockchain can determine the amount of XMR being transacted. (Confidential Transactions)
>nobody inspecting the blockchain can determine to whom the XMR was sent. (Stealth Addresses)
>Dandelion++ provides network-level shielding of IP addresses. I2P/Tor are also an option.

>TL;DR: Monero addresses and amounts do not appear on the blockchain and thus cannot be derived through chain analysis.

https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MoneroIsUntraceable

Bear in mind that ring signatures are slated to be ditched for full-chain membership proofs.

[Anonymous No.55555578]

We flip ETH in 2024, and ETH will be 500b in 2024.
Keep that in mind. Maybe buy some shitcoins in the interim. Cats perhaps.

[Anonymous No.55556595]

>>55538546
lol they're also seething at busd, a shitcoin for sure but a chink runs it

[Anonymous No.55556597]

Monero can't scale, the blockchain will grow so large the average user won't be able to run a node.

"decentralized" kek

[Anonymous No.55556605]

>>55540229
they don't want to give us too much attention, kind of like how they say they're going to beat russia every day when they're getting their ass blown out

[Anonymous No.55556633]

>>55548268
deregulation will never happen

even when you get decriminalization it's always a corrupt scheme where growers and sellers have absurd taxes, I live in a legal weed state

xmr is still a top 3 currency right up there with silver and gold and easier to send long distances, we don't even need the black market, although there will always be a black market due to the folly of man

[Anonymous No.55556653]

>>55556597
based on your fragile mind

[Anonymous No.55556681]

I'm back and I'm gayer than ever.

[Anonymous No.55556793]

>>55555555

[Anonymous No.55557519]

>>55554847
Everything is fucking rigged.
I hate this clown show>>55552356

[Anonymous No.55557540]

>>55556597
>pruned node ~60gb
>full node ~100gb
>1tb SSD ~$60
>4tb SSD ~$200
>8tb SSD ~$400
I think it is okay to worry about this potential problem later.

>>55556681
Sorry to hear you haven't recovered from your affliction.

[Anonymous No.55557574]

I entered into the trenches of buttcoin, can someone explain a little bit better to me the diference between nodes and miners.

Here was the argument they gave between them when i left,

I looked for some basis for the assertion that "nodes" decide the future of the network, but as far as I can tell, non-mining nodes just keep a local copy of the blockchain (possibly pruned), which they validate. They don't have the capacity to select new transactions.
It's not clear to me what would happen if a non-mining node rejected a new block (whereas, if a _mining_ node rejected another miner's block, that might cause a split).

Right bitcoin is "proof of work" and the only nodes doing "work" in this context is mining nodes. Imagine you had a full node w/o any mining, I think you could more or less trivially turn that into what appears to be N full nodes with different IP addresses.


Which is why bitcoin only cares about "work" (never mind that organizations can buy huge amounts of graphics cards or asics).

Also btw i won the debate faggots said that was disruptive and they fell insecure in their anti crypto narrative lmao after i left still they kinda defended themselves and i also feel i need just more, i wanted to really fuck them i disrupted their confidence but they also disrupted me as well, how do i get a 100% clear win next time.

[Anonymous No.55557576]

>>55557540
Ah it's alright waiting on my gay-remover from amazon should be here in a few days.

Think I picked something up at a bar during pride month.

[Anonymous No.55558193]

Has anyone had luck selling on moneromarket? I've been waiting for admin approval for my posts now for about 18hrs, I know these things can take a little time but it makes listing items a pain.

[Anonymous No.55558210]

>>55554847
>What did they mean by this
They mean they are using the same strategy they use for PM to keep XMR price down.

[Anonymous No.55558220]

>>55557574
Most people do not form their beliefs from a rational basis. They have an emotional reaction, personal bias, etc. and then extrapolate backwards from their conclusion to justify why they believe that if someone presses them on it.

The blocksize war was fought because Blockstream has a severe conflict of interest in that they need crippled throughput on Bitcoin so that their layer-2 solutions have a market. They needed to make this policy palatable to the greater Bitcoin community however, so they got the usual suspects (most of whom were direct employees of Blockstream) to exaggerate how badly the node network would be damaged if the block limit was raised. The original arguments had some kernel of truth to them, but because the average IQ of BTC people has lowered so dramatically that the subtlies of the original arguments are lost on them, so instead they have to switch it with an even more dubious, but simpler, assertion that non-mining nodes are deep-down just as important as a mining node is (hence, obsession with microscopic block size even to the detriment of users actually wanting it to work as money).

You really don't have to waste your time sparring with these people. They are in the exact same psychological space as the smart contract techno-babble shitcoin cults you see here (ICP, HBAR, LINK, etc.)

[Anonymous No.55558335]

>>55558220
yea I feel like even discussing them anymore is wasted breath, other than to laugh at their massive failures, like solana going down last year, that was hilarious

I think you just replied to an astroturfer or maybe I'm just jaded, but it's just so common now

[Anonymous No.55558863]

>>55556597
>>55549567

[Anonymous No.55559216]

>>55527794
Okay, I hate Monero, and never liked Zcash, how about boughting something like secret?

[Anonymous No.55559249]

>>55559216
>how about boughting something like secret?
how about you stop shitting on the street?

[Anonymous No.55559493]

>>55559216
sir... ...I.. ..good morning?

[Anonymous No.55559534]

>>55559216
>how about boughting something like secret?

[Anonymous No.55560107]

>>55559216
the monero no feed the village, plz do the needful and buy my shitcoin sers plz. kek what fucking retards even buy this shit, you cant even use it to buy anything.

[Anonymous No.55560347]

>>55560107
I saw a video about how people in Kenya cannot buy dried Norwegian fish with their shitcoin, have to buy it with dollars, but their government doesn't allow them to trade for dollar directly so there are waiting lists and black markets dollars with higher ratio.
I wonder why these people don't use some sort of crypto instead, if it's only internet issue or what.

[Anonymous No.55560438]

>>55560347
They need education literally the only way to teach people out of their system is teaching them directly

[Anonymous No.55560716]

>>55522408

Your participation needed:

Global Hyperinflation General. /GHG/ >>>/pol/434576953

[Anonymous No.55560741]

>>55523133
el basado

[Anonymous No.55560868]

>>55523583
This looks fucking cool, definitely going to dive in on this tomorrow.
>>55523716
Agreed, I get testing and participation is support, but I'd definitely throw some Nero's into a pot for this

[Anonymous No.55561095]

Is anyone aware of any Lightning network to Monero trading pairs ANYWHERE?

[Anonymous No.55561275]

>>55560107
I know that for some weird reason people shill SCRT here, but its not that bad (considering everything besides monero is a shitcoin).

Its part of the cosmos ecosystem (which is a neat concept if you disregard the lack of privacy and POS).
Its a multi chain with a built in DEX. (McAfee vision btw, monero being hard to put on a dex).

SCRT on top of that adds some fake privacy (good enough to deter home invaders and friends) and has a warped Monero token with an on and off ramp. As far as defi goes its better than ETH in function.

#1 So a defi DEX monero on/off ramp (even if clunky and somewhat centralized)
#2 tokenised monero for a) yeald farming
-if your into that, I'm not
b) a sneaky way to hold monero (tokens are considered separate cryptos from the unwrapped pair legally) if monero becomes illegal in your jurisdiction
# 3 has bridges into ETH and Binance crap
# 4 whole Cosmost inter chain network

ATOM or SCRT are far from the worst holds in this crypto clow market and if your not into that shit it does offer utility (even if a MIT psyop) to monero users (like myself).
Since our list of allies and crypto ATMs grows scarce I would be grateful that it exists.

[Anonymous No.55561911]

>>55557574
Miner (or pool) centralization has been an issue with Monero (top two hold 54.8% of hash rate) and Bitcoin (top two hold 48.6% of hash rate) both, and CPU vs ASIC mining hasn't really solved the problem.

Regardless, there's not much rogue miners can do in PoW systems besides refusing to confirm transactions or double-spending. But they can't submit invalid transactions, break consensus rules, or spend funds that aren't theirs, all full nodes would reject such blocks. They can't manipulate transaction relaying (unlike in PoS) since that's the nodes' job. And they can't effectively rollback the chain given the exponential increase in computer power needed for every block you want to roll back.

But if rogue miner centralization ever became a real issue such that certain txs are getting blocked for a long period of time or you have to wait forever to avoid double spends, then you'd just hardfork, everyone who agrees the rogue miners are a problem are an issue would update their software, and problem solved. But until a fork is actually needed it's a non issue, and prioritizing security is more worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.55563210]

[Anonymous No.55563299]

>>55561095
Trocador as in the OP has BEP20 and lightning. Best used on i2p of course.

[Anonymous No.55564539]

Still waiting for definitive proof that there isn't an inflation bug the devs are using to dump on everyone else.

[Anonymous No.55564591]

>>55558193
He's just one guy, give him a break. But unless you're selling cockli invites, fiat or pictures of whores, it probably won't sell unless you vouch to accept returns and risk someone sending you a broken swap when refunded.

[Anonymous No.55564829]

>>55564539
You could just use Bitcoin. Then you can use a chain with definitive proof that there were multiple inflation bugs instead of having to wait around for a "what if" with Monero instead of wasting time making intellectually-bankrupt posts in a perfectly good thread.

[Anonymous No.55565027]

Tranny coin

[Anonymous No.55565206]

>>55565027

[Anonymous No.55566005]

>>55565027

[Anonymous No.55566193]

>>55564591
Yea i t seems slow moving and a lot of the posts are shit or obvious rip offs like overpriced electronics, useless services or people trying to sell stuff that can be tormented for free. Still like the idea though and it stands as a good poc

[Anonymous No.55566664]

as time goes on our position only gets stronger while bitshit only gets weaker, it feels so good to know what's going to happen

[Anonymous No.55566984]

>>55566664
Monero is inevitable.

[Anonymous No.55567164]

>>55566664
? What level of delusional cope is this? BTC remains an 500+ billion market cap as monero is 5 billion market cap. Expecting to beat BTC returns is delusional- you already lost. But expecting to beat USD inflation is more attainable.

[Anonymous No.55567333]

Friendly reminder that while Bitcoin might be backed by institutions, Monero is backed by pure Colombian cocaine.

[Anonymous No.55567389]

M00NERO

[Anonymous No.55567541]

>>55567164
>What level of delusional cope is this?
The level only equal to laser eyed cyber hornets.
One side has tech on its side so let's see how it will play out.

[Anonymous No.55567562]

>>55567164
>What level of delusional cope is this? BTC remains an 500+ billion market cap as monero is 5 billion market cap.

The only delusional cope here is you actually believing Bitcoin's price and market cap mean something.

BTC hit 4 and then 5 figures only thanks to demonstrably fraudulent trading that roped in countless unsuspecting fools and that figure currently stands only because a critical mass of bagholders still believe they'll all become millionares someday soon just by holding.

So now its just a question of long it takes for them to realize that their lofty expectations are a mathematical impossibility, at which point the panic selling can commence and the only thing left holding BTC's price up will be the organic, non-speculative demand it is now rapidly losing to Monero.

>Expecting to beat BTC returns is delusional- you already lost.

1. BTC's "returns" are simply new speculators cashing out the old ones, also known as a "ponzi scheme", hardly anybody these days is actually buying BTC because its the only way to acquire certain goods and services.

2. Monero's value is proportional to the amount of demand for it from the digital shadow economy, and that economy i.e. the online black market has an insane amount of growth potential in the years ahead as the selection of available goods & services keeps expanding.

TL;DR: the only thing still keeping BTC at 5 figures is wash trading, NGU narratives and delusional bagholding while the only thing Monero needs to eventually hit AND remain at 5 figures is simply sustained demand from the shadow economy, which btw is immune to State interference and is already valued in the trillions of dollars.

So really it just comes down to Monero continuing to be the best goddamn privacy coin in world, which certainly seems likely for the foreseeable future.

[Anonymous No.55567804]

>>55567333
>Friendly reminder that while Bitcoin might be backed by institutions,

BTC/crypto is not "backed" by institutions, they just see it as another opportunity to earn commissions from selling junk assets to rubes.


>Monero is backed by pure Colombian cocaine.

Utilitarian demand is the only thing that counts.

[Anonymous No.55568218]

>>55567562
Prices mean everything, they tell you how much demand there is for a good and how much effort the economy should spend producing that good. Just because you don't like some of the sources of this demand doesn't mean they aren't valid. Especially since market cap determined miner revenues which determine chain security.

[Anonymous No.55568357]

Test

[Anonymous No.55568424]

>>55568357
Icles

[Anonymous No.55568567]

nice try

[Anonymous No.55568657]

Monero is racist

[Anonymous No.55568791]

>>55523111

[Anonymous No.55568860]

>>55567804
Regulations will bring institutions in and there are projects building bridges. NexeraID and PolygonID are definitely going to aid institutions.

[Anonymous No.55569070]

>>55568218
>Prices mean everything, they tell you how much demand there is for a good and how much effort the economy should spend producing that good. Just because you don't like some of the sources of this demand doesn't mean they aren't valid. Especially since market cap determined miner revenues which determine chain security.

Fucking automod keeps banning me for unspecified words, picrelated.

[Anonymous No.55569088]

>>55568860
>Regulations will bring institutions in

Do you even understand where you are, moonfag?

[Anonymous No.55569453]

>>55568218
>Prices mean everything, they tell you how much demand there is for a good and how much effort the economy should spend producing that good
This is the argument of traditional economics where the assumption is that market is always right.
Behavioral economics on the other hand argues that market isn't always right.
Arguing that market is always right while having animal coins in top places is laughable.
I'm no economics nerd tho just David Kim enjoyer so I'm sure people can correct me.

[Anonymous No.55569673]

>>55569453
Behavioral economics is a coping mechanism for looser. Irrational actions and anti-free market interventions get exploited until they are corrected (or just result in a loss of resources).
By the way this is how bubbles function. If you ask why is where fraudulent demand, you must ask why would market actors do such a thing. Inflated demand comes from cheap credit permitting to establish higher prices. This is why money behaviour study can be even used for stock markets. Because its entirety nowadays is government created cheap credit. Or in other words inflation. Inflation not only raises the prices for commodities and services, but in general it arises from lower purchasing power. Lower purchasing power paired with unchanging supply of goods will simply result in higher prices. That applies to every aspect of the economy, including that of Bitcoin.
As new money gets created, it seeps into the economy in a complex, unpredictable path, like a liquid penetrating soil. At the end it will reach every little nook and corner. This includes stocks, credit, college tuition, insurance, and yes Bitcoin and crypto in general. In fact, cryptocurrency enjoys a special status as it is close to the source of new money, the banks. So it is unsurprising that an otherwise unsustainable cycle of just cutting the block reward in half expecting the price to double, survived in the 2010s which was an era of a massive credit-boom, as demonstrated by the rally of the DOW.
New money, cheap credit artificially increases the perceived prospects of investments as it hasn't reached every part of the economy yet. This will cause widespread misallocation of resources, or in the case of investments, malinvestments. It is only because of this (ie the FED and its influence over the economy) that people would see the money in faking statistics. Otherwise, there would be less retards with money going around spending where they otherwise would not, money that they otherwise would not have.

[Anonymous No.55570750]

Are we getting a better alternative to monero market? My listing has been there and there's no users contacting me. I've heard the same for others too

[Anonymous No.55570756]

>>55570750
For the record, I've been there for many months now

[Anonymous No.55571153]

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[Anonymous No.55571329]

After having to live with bitcoin alone for some days and learning and using the intricacies of lighting, i have to say that maxis are correct we don't need other shitcoins, its a little bit complicated to pass between normal wallets and lightning wallets but if you put enough satoshis you could maybe replace normal electronic dollars, however cash is still king and i hope it never goes away, however if this countrys try to move to digital cash onlh they will dig themselves into a graveyard deeper they in the long term will not survive, maxis spected bitcoin to be sovereign individuals with bitshit alone but from my experience meh its fucking imposible to do it, the pseudoanonimous nature of bitcoin becomes irrelevant in an environment with kyc customers law everywhere, bitcoin atms are just spyware waiting to deanomize you or worse scam you, heck if we had monero atms it wouldn't matter that the atm has a camera i can just simply create a new address and not worry about the atm owner later trying an extorsion me ot just one of connection where all my transactions can become visible to any secret agency, goverment or any group that has an interest in you if they discover you have bitcoin which is more likely because society and social media is making a panopticon every aspect of life even in some things you deserve some level of privacy, which i think your financials are maybe the most important aspect of privacy and what most criminals would be interested in, lightning itself works when you already opened a channel but its a pain in the ass when you need to wait, if only bitcoiners cared a little bit more about privacy because fucking hell in reality bitcoin is the cbdc they were always worrying about, no one imagined a world where cars and plastic would be so common today yet technological change imposes over society and monero will impose itself over bitcoin if bitshit doesn't fix its privacy problems.

[Anonymous No.55571419]

>>55570750
I wonder whats the starting point for this economys to work maybe we just need more gambling

[Anonymous No.55571675]

I like the tech but I just can't accept an infinite supply, why the hell would you willfuly devalue an asset like that? No store of value, sorry.

[Anonymous No.55571691]

>>55571675
Get new fud faglord

[Anonymous No.55571784]

>>55571675
>infinite supply
pretty low actually. also linear inflation. all offset by hodlers suffering "died of suddenly"

[Anonymous No.55571825]

>>55571675
>infinite supply
also, current rate
https://p2pool.io/tail.html

[Anonymous No.55571892]

>>55567562
>>55567804
rubes are going to feel immense pain, which I will savor

[Anonymous No.55571911]

>>55569070
I don't buy the argument that the majority of Bitcoin's price doesn't count due to wash trading, or that Bitcoin is wash traded more than Monero given:
>decreasing exchange balances and increasing number of addresses holding Bitcoin, real demand
>adoption by El Salvador, Liechtenstein, Bitcoin ETFs, & Africans who use it regularly to transact/escape inflation
>its price was manipulated downward more than anything, given FTX was selling paper Bitcoin and dumping customer deposits into shitcoins
>wash trading can't sustainably support prices since no new money is being added to the system, yet price continues to steadily grow over the long term
Ultimately, you can't effectively compare real-world adoption between Bitcoin and Monero. But you can compare prices, which is the best metric we have. Whining about them being a scam because you don't like it is pure cope.

[Anonymous No.55571919]

>>55569673
>As new money gets created, it seeps into the economy in a complex, unpredictable path

jews are pretty predictable actually, they're doing a martyrdom of the us government and all institutions atm

even blackrock is promoting the pump and dump of bitshit onto the end consumer

this is perfectly predictable that jews will try to steal your money with a shiny object

my question is, what you will you say when the behavior of these jewish businessmen sucks the last drop of life out of bitshit and it cannot be denied any longer that bitshit is a failure as a currency

will the market be "correct" then

[Anonymous No.55571926]

>>55571919
Two more weeks, like always.

[Anonymous No.55571929]

>>55570750
>>55570756
maybe your product is just shit, esse

>>55571675
why would you base a currency on the fact that all of it will be destroyed in 30 years

[Anonymous No.55571949]

>>55571911
it is empirically true that bitshits are being scammed, because their currency has no usecase

it isn't about whether I like it or not, it would be incredible of people had high enough iq to realize they're being scammed and form a functioning economy, but, they are clearly too stupid to understand this at the moment

it just gives me more time to accumulate assets that are actually valuable

[Anonymous No.55571955]

>>55571926
in my opinion it has 4 years left maximum, even the miners won't be able to deal with the 2028 halving

[Anonymous No.55572689]

>>55571949
You shift goalposts, defining valid use cases to only be things you like, then declare that you are right, because the coin you don't like has use cases you don't like, so they don't count.

[Anonymous No.55572751]

>>55572689
because of the tokenomics and other failures of bitshit it isn't a store of value, it isn't a currency, it is a blatant scam by any definition

just because it is temporarily inflated by very unscrupulous people, that doesn't mean it is a sustainable movement, currency, anything

[Anonymous No.55573318]

>>55571675
You have wownero if everything falls apart to you

[Anonymous No.55573383]

>>55570756
Same. I just think they lack the critical mass of users to really get going. Probably takes at least 5 to 10 times the amount of current users.
I sold some odd non-crypto stuff there just for fun and was extremely surprised when someone bought it. That said, my other listings are still there without buyers.

[Anonymous No.55573759]

>>55571911
>I don't buy the argument that the majority of Bitcoin's price doesn't count due to wash trading

Oh its not just the wash trading, its also the rampant Tether manipulation

>Tether Manipulation Pushed Up Bitcoin's Price, Researchers Find
https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2018/06/13/tether-manipulation-pushed-up-bitcoins-price-researchers-find/

>Tether dominates bitcoin trading
https://newmoneyreview.com/index.php/2021/10/11/tether-dominates-bitcoin-trading/

Manipulation all around, the fruits of an unregulated clownmarket.

>decreasing exchange balances and increasing number of addresses holding Bitcoin, real demand

lol that's not real demand, that's taking your lottery ticket home for safekeeping, "real" demand = non-speculative demand = I only need BTC to pay for these goods & services

And there's more than enough BTC left on exchanges to wash trade, don't need more than it takes to send back and forth between colluding accounts, hence the "wash"

>>adoption by El Salvador

lol its barely being used and basically nobody finds it useful

>The Salvadoran Chamber of Commerce found that only 14% of businesses in El Salvador had conducted bitcoin transactions between September 2021 and July 2022, and 3% felt that being able to use bitcoin was valuable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_in_El_Salvador

>Liechtenstein

lol not adoption, they're just thinking about adding it as another payment option, its not going to be made legal tender or anything like that.

>As stated by the Prime Minister, the franc is the principality’s official currency, and Bitcoin would not be accorded the same status as the franc, in an interview with the German daily Handelsblatt published on May 7.

And of course they won't actually be holding any

>Risch says the plan calls for instant conversion of any cryptocurrency received for Swiss francs

https://finbold.com/liechtenstein-plans-to-accept-bitcoin-as-a-payment-option/

[Anonymous No.55573765]

>>55571911

>Bitcoin ETFs

lol not adoption, Wall St has a long and storied history of knowingly selling junk assets to investors to earn on commissions, crypto is no different.

And Bitcoin ETFs would just be paper BTC sold purely for speculative purposes, not for actual use as currency.

>Africans

M-Pesa, not BTC, rules the roost in Africa, Africans are too poor to pay for BTC's ridiculous TX fees lol

>>its price was manipulated downward more than anything

lolololololololololololololololololol holy shit!

>>wash trading can't sustainably support prices since no new money is being added to the system, yet price continues to steadily grow over the long term

No, see, wash trading is for pumping the price, delusional bagholding + sat stacking culture is for supporting the price, which clearly doesn't always work lol

And we've already covered this: if a majority of people buying BTC have an expectation of profits then the math breaks down.

>Ultimately, you can't effectively compare real-world adoption between Bitcoin and Monero.

lol yes we can, its just a matter of looking at where BTC has historically dominated real-world markets and then watching it being displaced by Monero

>darknet economy sector
>ransomware sector
>gift-cards-for-crypto sector
>etc


>But you can compare prices, which is the best metric we have

lol seriously? Its a largely useless metric for obvious reasons, or do you think it actually means something when the memecoin of the week inexplicably moons hard?


>Whining about them being a scam because you don't like it is pure cope.

lol they are a scam, you can't trust something that is very obviously being manipulated before your very eyes. Only actual adoption means something.

[Anonymous No.55573864]

>>55573759
I have some hope that el salvador will adopt monero, it seems like the smartest pivot for them

[Anonymous No.55573900]

How to run local node on android?
i'm afraid it would drain my battery very fast. i just want to run the node, not mine.

>>55573864
el salvador won't make the same stupid mistake twice. forcing people into a currency is not very smart, if the currency is good enough then just let people use it without government interference.
on the other hand, a smart move for el salvador would be to declare the country some sort of safe haven for crypto industry attracting many companies that are being forced out of existence in globohomo countries.

[Anonymous No.55573920]

>>55573900
they are already doing what you said basically, as far as I know crypto and tech industry has no taxes there

[Anonymous No.55574044]

>>55573900
>How to run local node on android?
i'm afraid it would drain my battery very fast. i just want to run the node, not mine.
Use this: https://github.com/nahuhh/android-termux-monero-node

It doesn't drain battery much, except during the initial block sync.

I would suggest selecring the pruned node, which takes around 70 GB of disk space in your phone. You can select a microSD card on your phone to store the blockchain.

Running a node on android rocks. I get my monerujo andrpid wallet connect to the local node running on the same phone. No need to trust anyone.

I also sync the node on the local public wifis or leech on the govt wifi networks. Lol.

>Regulate This.

[Anonymous No.55574886]

>>55526228
This, adoption expansion because burritos and bitches.

[Anonymous No.55575217]

>>55574044
I can't wait for seraphis so we can share the sync key(or whatever the hell its called) with the node and have instant sync times in our wallets.

[Anonymous No.55575399]

daily reminder:

> Seraphis
> Jamtis
> Full Membership Proofs

[Anonymous No.55576058]

>>55558193
I've had an item listed there for months. I just listed another. I really think it just comes down to increasing the number of users. The things I listed are good quality and have a use so I'll just wait and hope for an increase in the user base.

That said I've been hording XMR for a couple years now and spending very sparingly. I'm at a point were I want to use XMR for daily purchases. But Cake wallets recent shut down of their gift card purchase function has made that more difficult. As it stands I think coincards is the only other option for normal purchases for XMR. Not as good as Cake was imo because they charge extra fees for giftcards where Cake would either charge no fee and/or provide discounts. ngl feels bad to have so few places to spend.

[Anonymous No.55576085]

>>55575399
>daily reminder

[LebAnon No.55576560]

>>55576085
based

[Anonymous No.55577722]

>>55576085
it's not currently possible for them all to hold 69 xmr since I'm not selling my stack

[Anonymous No.55579374]

Why are most darkweb sites still using BTC?

I feel like if they only accept BTC it must be a fed entrapment operation

[Anonymous No.55579466]

How much monero is enough btw?

[Anonymous No.55579563]

>>55579374
>Why are most darkweb sites still using BTC?

It's hovering at around 50% now, with most new markets these days being Monero-only. At this rate BTC will be fully abandoned within a couple of years.

Why? Its the easier option, DNM customers are often lazy faggots who prefer to buy crypto on Coinbase so some admins continue to indulge them.

>I feel like if they only accept BTC it must be a fed entrapment operation

As time passes and more DNMs go Monero-only the pressure will ramp on the holdouts to finally flip lest they start being branded as fed honeypots.

>>55579466
>How much monero is enough btw?

An unknown amount.

[Anonymous No.55579603]

>>55577722
holy witnessed anon

[Anonymous No.55579766]

>>55556597
no true decentralized network can scale the storage side, it's a law of physics. Bitcoin is 300Gb+ and will never scale that, Ethereum is 2Tb+ and will never scale that. Only a checkpoint/archive can emerge

[Anonymous No.55580126]

>>55579766
xmr’s full chain is less than 200 gb currently, and storage technology seems to be advancing faster than the needed space increases. Are you aware of how cheap terabyte drives are?

[Anonymous No.55580457]

>>55571153
Never had any connection problems with proton, if anything mullvad tends to be more inconsistent in speed from my experience.

[Anonymous No.55581726]

[Anonymous No.55581761]

>>55581726

Monero-chan is cute! Cute!

[Anonymous No.55581985]

>>55572751
Fucking retarded nigger tier logic. If you are too retarded to use crypto as a deflationary store of value currency then you are too retarded to own monero.

[Anonymous No.55582155]

>>55579766
Checked Satan digits
Law of physics? Nigger put on a graph the scaling of the blockchain size vs the cost of a tb of storage. Don’t start making imaginary transactions. The current real world as it stands transaction usage which is reflective of the reality.
retarded niggers like you are a plague on the world.not that the wor@; doesn’t need a few plagues here and thrre5, but fuck you.

[Anonymous No.55582958]

We're Hitting Comedy Levels That Shouldn't Even Be Possible

[Anonymous No.55583047]

>>55572751
Ordinals and NFTs are heckin valid. Get over it chuddie.

[Anonymous No.55583052]

>>55582958
I genuinely don't understand how people can be stupid enough to look at BTC and XMR and conclude that BTC is better.

It's a clunky piece of shit with high fees and is completely traceable.

[Anonymous No.55583084]

>>55582958
what the fuck happened to this dude

[Anonymous No.55583168]

>>55583052

Bitcoin has superior mining security, a larger anonymity set, better scaling and perfectly adequate privacy solutions.

Oh yeah, and an unstoppable network effect.

[Anonymous No.55583203]

>>55583168
Glowniggers literally busted a cheese pizza ring by looking up addresses in the bitcoin ledger retard.

Cannot be used for anonymous commerce

[Anonymous No.55583435]

>>55583203
So your argument is that Monero helps child pornographers?

[Anonymous No.55583482]

>>55583435
Yes

[Anonymous No.55583495]

Uhhh are we being GOY'ed by cake labs?

[Anonymous No.55583604]

I just want to have a holding currency that won't be perpetually susceptible to fees. I don't live in the US and any of the exchanges I could use charge big fees for trading. Give swap power please. PLEASE.

No bullshit, IS monero viable as a "cash/holding" currency to exchange with other currencies? I don't want to hold USD (or CAD or EUR or...)

[Anonymous No.55583630]

>>55583482
Not much of a marketing strategy

[Anonymous No.55583645]

>>55583630
On the contrary, it has an actual use case not covered by any currency.

[Anonymous No.55583991]

>>55583645
Maybe start a service to anonymously fund people that kill pedophiles, fund accounts for inmates convicted of killing chomos, would get better cred

[Anonymous No.55584012]

>>55582958
Mutinywallet asks you to enter your seed phrase IN BROWSER lmfao
>these are the 'people' telling you king shitcoin is the future
Maxipads are unironically a decade behind the rest of the crypto community for supporting this shit

[Anonymous No.55584022]

>>55583435
Do you think being so transparently disingenuous fools people into thinking you're just pretending to be retarded?

[Anonymous No.55584055]

>>55583630
The point isn’t that any specific group is using the currency. It’s that the currency is so secure that people doing some of the most evil shit imaginable use it and aren’t getting busted because of it. That’s a pretty solid selling point, but I do agree with >>55583991 that we need a minecraft fund to handle what the traditional banking regulations and legal system cannot

[Anonymous No.55584221]

>>55579374
exactly, that's the only purpose, is to track you

[Anonymous No.55584227]

>>55579466
personally, I think 100 is a point where you can kick your feet up and be comfortable

[Anonymous No.55584248]

>>55581985
deflation of currency overtime means it is no longer currency

if I hold a babe ruth baseball for 200 years, no one will even know who he is by then, when all government systems collapse, no one will care about that ratty old baseball, the ink will probably fade

essentially, that's the process bitshit will go through over the next 4 years

[Anonymous No.55584400]

>>55584055
But at that point shadow banks and the rotschild benefit from invinsible money

[Anonymous No.55584471]

Can i ask why does bitshitniggers not want to increase bitcoin tps at least to 10 or 12 that would help a little bit, lighting right now is so fucking dogshit still

[Anonymous No.55584493]

>>55584471
Every trade has to happen inside the safe walls of CEX.
That way everything is SAFE and no fees.
Don't worry about it goy.

[Anonymous No.55584520]

>>55584400
everyone benefits from fungible money

[Anonymous No.55584703]

>>55584248
Deflation is bad for debtors (governments and jews) so they've sold you on the lie that deflationary currencies don't work. Even with deflationary money, people will still buy food, houses, iphones, drive their cars. They'll just avoid unsustainable debt-based spending sprees in favor of products and investments that offer real benefit and real growth, in order to outperform currency deflation.
If investment decreased, prices would go up, disincentivizing against just holding Bitcoin in favor of investment.

[AnonLeb No.55584713]

>>55584471
>>55584400
Why you so bitter LebAnon?

[Anonymous No.55584716]

>>55584703
>>55584248
Use deflation to destroy the VC zombie corps, corrupt governments, and bankers.

[Anonymous No.55584807]

>>55584703
continual deflation leads to mass hoarding, like in rome with the vatican who held half the gold in vaults

deflation on a nonstop basis with no possibility of inflation, isn't a currency, lost supply overtakes circulating supply

babe ruth baseballs aren't a viable currency, you have a worthless antique

[Anonymous No.55585162]

>>55571153
Thanks man. Great reading as usual.

[Anonymous No.55585684]

Does anyone know how to generate a stable diffusion monerochan that looks like pic related?

[Anonymous No.55586073]

>>55583604
>No bullshit, IS monero viable as a "cash/holding" currency to exchange with other currencies?
It has an inflation rate lower than gold, it has a non-zero price floor because people buy drugs with it, it's actually safe to hold and use because it is fungible, and it has low fees so it can actually be used as cash.

It has tail risks of an inflation bug, but then again so does fiat.

[Anonymous No.55586648]

Can it be possible? Seems, that xmr/btc is not positive.

[Anonymous No.55586953]

>>55586648
>Seems, that xmr/btc is not positive.

Did you miss all the stuff about price action being fake and gay?

[Anonymous No.55586984]

>>55586953
Last 1-2 moths had no internet. But before have seen something about that, but did not save the proofs...
Can you please give me some proofs?

[Anonymous No.55587023]

>>55586984

Scroll up.

[Anonymous No.55587070]

>>55587023
Could find only >>55573759
That's all?

[Anonymous No.55587075]

>>55586648
Ah yes, if the trend continues, Monero will be -0.5 BTC 2030. I sure see no problem with drawing straight lines and expecting price to follow disregarding any and all fundamental analysis. What a great idea anon!
In all seriousness, it should be common knowledge that TA simply does *not* work for larger time frames. Even those all-time BTC charts must invoke fundamental reasons for price action or be over-fitted to the past.

>>55586953
I feel like just outright denying price action won't convince anyone. Simply pointing out where Binance started printing paper Monero on the graph is a better idea. Or ask them why has Monero broken the downnwards trend since around Spring 2022. Or how come BTC dominance has been downtrend since 2017? They have to concede to artificially inflated money out-pricing artificially devalued money.
>inb4 BTC price is inflated
Sure, but altcoin prices are even more so. Most of the cryptocurrency marketcap is just air. Nothing more, nothing less. Just pure air. That affects Monero as much as it does any proper (PoW pre-2017) cryptocurrency, since they have a non-zero non-speculative price.

[Anonymous No.55587210]

>>55587070

>>55522465
>>55552356

[Anonymous No.55587260]

>>55587075
>I feel like just outright denying price action won't convince anyone. Simply pointing out where Binance started printing paper Monero on the graph is a better idea. Or ask them why has Monero broken the downnwards trend since around Spring 2022. Or how come BTC dominance has been downtrend since 2017? They have to concede to artificially inflated money out-pricing artificially devalued money.

The only people that take muh price action and TA charts into consideration when buying crypto are moonfags.

People who actually need Monero because of what it does will buy (and use) Monero regardless of price.

[Anonymous No.55587277]

>>55587210
thank you

[Anonymous No.55587416]

>>55552356
>>55587210
>>55587277
Just read this paper, in it he states:
>Substantial mitigation of bitcoin price manipulation, and hence volatility, could increase bitcoin’s value by about 40%
>When price has been manipulated, any such comparisons are then skewed, and would likely have a detrimental impact on both the assessment of current value and forecasts of future price
>increased volatility in bitcoin prices increases the required discount rate and
reduces value
You absolute nigger, you chopped off his conclusions in the fucking abstract

[Anonymous No.55587444]

>>55587416
The entire conclusion of the paper is that due to manipulation volatility has been elevated, which artificially depresses prices in the long term

[Anonymous No.55587449]

>>55587260
Monero is a good currency. It's price should appreciate in any free market environment. But it (relatively to overpumped assets) it does not. That disparity can be an must be explained to newcomers. Sure do use your monero. But nobody has authority to say what do with your money. Whether to spend it or not is a personal choice and savings play a crucial part in the economy's function and is a primary factor in something being money.
Imagine this, people hold money to spend later. For such a scenario to occur whereas people do not save, it implies that people do not expect any value from holding. This is what's called hyperinflation, whereas the future is so uncertain money looses its value beyond a few days to individuals, thus people rush to spend and prices increase.
Monero is money, and thus behaves like any other money would when matched with legalized fraud (fractional reserves, like Binance, KuCoin, etc have) or with inflated assets (likes of Bitcoin or altcoins). This isn't hard to explain and doesn't even need 50 citations. Price action isn't fake and gay, it's faked and manipulated, the price is still there and adheres to logic and reason.

Also to take into consideration long-term price action is the opposite of what a trader does. Minute or hours charts are incredibly common among that phenotype, and it comes to no surprise when they try to venture into all-time charts (analysis the likes of >>55586648), they fail miserably because their mindset and tools are barely working on the short-term, so long-term is outright impossible.
>when will it moon? wait two weeks
What does the communists, the democratic voter, and the modern day day-trader have in common?

[Anonymous No.55587802]

>>55587260
digital gold is a usecase

I also hold real gold, both for the same reasons

digital gold is almost perfect as a store of value and currency

[Anonymous No.55587815]

>>55587449
>What does the communists, the democratic voter, and the modern day day-trader have in common?

low time preference

[Anonymous No.55587816]

>>55587416
>You absolute nigger, you chopped off his conclusions in the fucking abstract
>>55587444
>>The entire conclusion of the paper is that due to manipulation volatility has been elevated, which artificially depresses prices in the long term

Sooo...fraudulent BTC price manipulation absolutely *is* happening but if it were somehow mitigated then confidence and stability would return and the price maybe could increase over time accordingly (assuming organic demand for Bitcoin persists and grows)? Wow, mind blowing conclusion!!!

>Price manipulation causes economic harm beyond the losses incurred by investors, and that damage is not hypothetical.

The paper's ultimate conclusion is that BTC's historical and current price action is indeed meaningless because it doesn't accurately reflect organic supply and demand.

>First and foremost, it means that technical price analysis of bitcoin over the suspect periods is likely meaningless; bitcoin’s price did not reflect equally motivated buyers and sellers, and therefore bitcoin’s price cannot be indicative of market psychology.

>Another conclusion of this research is that even fundamental analysis of bitcoin is problematic. Fundamental analysis typically relies on historical relationships between price and some other metric to ascertain if an asset is overvalued or undervalued. When price has been manipulated, any such comparisons are then skewed, and would likely have a detrimental impact on both the assessment of current value and forecasts of future price.

[Anonymous No.55588292]

>>55587816
You shilled that conveniently cropped paper constantly to demonstrate Bitcoin's price was artificially high. The second someone actually read it showing evidence that Bitcoin's price is artificially low, you shift goalposts, which is impressive.
The paper's conclusion isn't price is meaningless, but that price analysis takes volatility into concern since volatility increases risk. Whales increasing Bitcoin's volatility in pursuit of short term gains decreases risk adjusted returns. The paper's conclusion is that if their shenanigans were mitigated, the price of Bitcoin would be 40% higher.

[Anonymous No.55588635]

>>55584807
>Money supply is deflating, I guess I'll just starve to death and live in a cardboard box cause muh gains

[Anonymous No.55588801]

>>55588292
>You shilled that conveniently cropped paper constantly to demonstrate Bitcoin's price was artificially high.

The price *is* artificially high, that's entirely the point of price manipulation. BTC's price before the manipulation kicked off in 2013 was circa $150.

>The second someone actually read it showing evidence that BTC's price is artificially low, you shift goalposts, which is impressive.

lol how about you try actually reading the paper? The price manipulations specified are all UPWARD manipulation, not DOWNWARD manipulation, there's absolutely no suggestion of deliberate price suppression.

>The paper's conclusion isn't price is meaningless

it literally uses the world "meaningless"

>price analysis of bitcoin over the suspect periods is likely meaningless
>bitcoin’s price cannot be indicative of market psychology.

>Whales increasing Bitcoin's volatility in pursuit of short term gains

lol so you finally agree there is in fact rampant fraud and price manipulation occurring?


>but that price analysis takes volatility into concern since volatility increases risk

Yeah, price manipulation is harmful and inhibits rational investors, its hardly a revelation.


>The paper's conclusion is that if their shenanigans were mitigated, the price of Bitcoin would be 40% higher.

In theory. In theory, things could also go the other way, especially since fraud is involved.

>In theory at least, substantial mitigation of bitcoin price manipulation would increase bitcoin’s value by about 40%, based on a naïve Capital Asset Pricing Model.

The same would also apply to any other asset, btw.

>The Capital Asset Pricing Model (CAPM) is the most popular model of the determination of expected returns on securities and other financial assets.

And then you have to ask: 40% of what? What is the "correct" BTC price? What if the actual demand for BTC is waaaaaaaay lower than we all think? It's already losing its primary source of organic demand for the past decade.

[Anonymous No.55589512]

>>55588801
>read the paper
Upward manipulation always comes with a corresponding crash, as the manipulators cash out. Take pages 4, 12, 13, 17:
>Severe crashes are not indicative of
investors fleeing bitcoin but are instead corrections to sustainable levels of buyer-seller equilibrium
>18 million matching buy and sell bitcoin transactions
>Bitcoin is later sold at an inflated price for dollars
>bitcoin gained 212% to nearly $13,000. Shortly thereafter, bitcoin’s price declined until December of that year where it traded around $7,000
And most recently, SBF selling customer deposits for paper Bitcoin.
Manipulators aren't supporting the price over the long-term since they always want to cash out more than they put in. But the paper's ultimate conclusions are that over the long-term:
>one can estimate that bitcoin’s annualized daily volatility would be approximately 50% of what the historical price record indicates
>substantial mitigation of bitcoin price manipulation would increase bitcoin’s value by about 40%
>Absent manipulation, bitcoin’s volatility would be lower and therefore its price would be higher
Any investor with more than two brain cells takes volatility into account, volatility always adds risk and hurts price appreciation, it's not a "in theory, things could also go the other way", that's retarded. But somehow you missed the entire point of the paper.

[Anonymous No.55589710]

>>55588635
>money supply will deflate forever till it goes to 0
>just gotta hodl right guys, everyone wants bitshit

this is a bitshit

[Anonymous No.55590199]

>>55589512

lol so you agree there is in fact rampant fraud and BTC price manipulation occurring?

>one can estimate that bitcoin’s annualized daily volatility would be approximately 50% of what the historical price record indicates
>substantial mitigation of bitcoin price manipulation would increase bitcoin’s value by about 40%
>Absent manipulation, bitcoin’s volatility would be lower and therefore its price would be higher

Ah, pre-scandals cryptoworld assumptions. "In theory, at least". You know what isn't an assumption? BTC's artificially inflated price.

[Anonymous No.55590638]

>>55590199
I admit that all cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin, Monero, stocks, precious metals, real estate, etc, are subject to manipulation. In the case of Bitcoin the effect has been to artificially suppress the price (probably the case of Monero too, but we have minimal on chain metrics as proof). That real demand persists despite this manipulation. That one of the goals of transparent blockchains & DEXs is to limit this manipulation (something Monero can't do). And that you've been BTFO by the same paper you shilled as evidence against Bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.55590946]

I mean the role of separate money from the state is occupied by bitcoin, monero is too unknown for this, i am not saying bitcoin is better, its horrible but bitcoin usage means the network effect will rise faster than other CryptoCurrencys because in the end there can only be one CryptoCurrency.

[Anonymous No.55590996]

>>55590946
yep only monero, monero is the financial final solution

bitshit already failed man, owned by blackrock and the fbi, it's a pump and dump to 0 on low iq baggies

[Anonymous No.55591010]

>>55590946
>I mean the role of separate money from the state is occupied by bitcoin
That's bullshit. You cannot separate money and the state using a TRANSPARENT ledger.

>monero is too unkown
Markets are waking up. Opsec critical ones are leading the way. Others will follow.

[Anonymous No.55591067]

>>55590946
>monero is too unknown
This Google thing is pretty good buy too unknown, everyone uses AOL

[Anonymous No.55592166]

>>55590638
>I admit that all cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin, Monero, stocks, precious metals, real estate, etc, are subject to manipulation.

We're talking about crypto, BTC in particular here. Non-crypto assets are at least subject to regulations and monitoring.

But yeah, you can't actually say it, can you? As expected, it would be too damning of an admission.


> In the case of Bitcoin the effect has been to artificially suppress the price

holy shit, this is comedy gold! So when BTC famously shot up from $150 to $1K in the space of 8 weeks, that was actually price suppression?

Wash trading as price suppression, lmao


>That real demand persists

What "real demand" is that? Who would be buying BTC right now if it was still $150?


>despite this manipulation.

Upward price manipulation. Generating the illusion of high demand to sucker in greater fools is the entire point of this kind of price manipulation.


>That one of the goals of transparent blockchains & DEXs is to limit this manipulation

BTC's transparency totally is a feature and not a bug, you guys!

[Anonymous No.55592186]

>>55590638

>And that you've been BTFO by the same paper you shilled as evidence against Bitcoin.

lol the paper *clearly* states that "BTC's price has been fraudulently manipulated (upward)" repeatedly over the years.

You're the only one hilariously trying to spin this manipulation as price suppression on account of one paper's proposed *theory* that

IF global Bitcoin trading could somehow be forced into strict trad-fi compliance (good luck making that happen) and
IF the optimistic market assumptions of years past still hold true in future (as scandals abound and general crypo-skepticism only keeps growing) and
IF people of this blackpilled future will somehow still be willing to *consistently* buy into an asset historically associated with fraud and manipulation ("its different this time, we promise!")

then the "real" value could potentially increase up to 40% from the unspecified baseline over time as stability and confidence return.

Wow, wash trading is literally short selling!


You're huffin' some potent copium there, pal.

[Anonymous No.55592307]

>>55592166
>>55592186
In the long-run manipulators add no net value to the system overall while increasing volatility. How is this so hard to understand?

[Anonymous No.55592321]

>>55592307
>In the long-run manipulators add no net value to the system overall while increasing volatility
Then why bother with manipulation? Because it’s fun?

[Anonymous No.55592423]

>>55592321
>Then why bother with manipulation?
Because their goal is to withdraw more value from the system than they put in, not leave money in the system. Their net effect is negative or at best neutral. If Bitcoin was primarily driven by manipulation you wouldn't see a steadily rising baseline over time (blue, natural appreciation), you'd just see the price zig-zagging over the short term (yellow, hype/manipulation) with a flat baseline, like most altcoin charts.

[Anonymous No.55592488]

>>55592321
It's the same deal with Monero, you have a steadily rising floor representing real growth, with a bunch of short-term noise representing cyclical hype & manipulation.

[Anonymous No.55593383]

>>55592321
>>55592423
>>55592488

>Yes, I know the BTC price has been blatantly manipulated thru wash trading and Tether fuckery over the past 10 years but trust me, bro, all that systematic fraud has actually had minimal impact on the now 5-figure price, it would have totally gone that high even without these shenanigans, FOMO not absolutely required! Check out the lines on this chart!

[Anonymous No.55593600]

>>55593383

Yeah, I just don't see how BTC would have grown into what it became without the publicity it got from that first fake bullrun.

[Anonymous No.55593749]

>>55593600
>Yeah, I just don't see how BTC would have grown into what it became without the publicity it got from that first fake bullrun.

Well, over a long enough period of time and sufficient demand from a growing economy its certainly possible. But that would require BTC be viable as digital cash, which it ain't.

[Anonymous No.55593797]

>>55593749

but bitcoin is digital gold now kek

[Anonymous No.55593868]

>>55593797
>but bitcoin is digital gold now kek

Ah yes, when BTC can no longer function as the P2P e-cash Satoshi envisioned, just change the narrative, bro!

[Anonymous No.55593968]

>>55593797
>digital gold
lmao sure, if you mailed your physical gold to the FBI’s headquarters for safekeeping this is exactly the same thing. Hooray for the future!

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[Anonymous No.55596090]

>>55593749
based, if only bitshit was monero

[Anonymous No.55596096]

>>55593797
bitcoin is a digital antique

a digital babe ruth signature that morphs into a more smudged and less reputable signature over time, eventually until none of them are left

[Anonymous No.55596097]

>>55568791
top lel