College is an amazing investment

[Anonymous No.55519041]

I’m shocked that there are still people saying bullshit like college is a scam or not worth it and that you should just become a fucking welder or something.

I graduated with $18,000 in student loans in 2019, got a job starting at 70k as a mechanical engineer, I now make 135k as a Mech e and I literally laugh my ass off when I read posts about college grads “drowning in debt”. I literally paid my loans off in like 6 months because I just lived frugally, after that I was set up for life and I’ve never once had to work hard.

I’m genuinely baffled by the anti college stuff, are we just pretending to think it’s bad so there’s less competition? It’s easy as fuck and a guaranteed path to wealth and higher incomes.

[Anonymous No.55519049]

>>55519041
welding is fun

[Anonymous No.55519055]

>>55519041
Not everyone can be a college grad, think about what you're saying retard.
Imagine if everyone took your advice and went into mech E. Your salary would plummet to 20k.
>inb4 they wont be as good as me
even if a 10% is as good as you you're fucked

[Anonymous No.55519063]

>>55519041
Most jobs out there suck and don’t pay 6 figures but now everyone goes to college. This means a lot of people who have college degrees will get stuck with shitty jobs and also have student loans. And lots of people have way more than 19k in loans, more like 50-100k

[Anonymous No.55519082]

>>55519041
You merely bought the bottom of your line of work. Sheer luck, no skills involved

[Anonymous No.55519090]

>>55519063
Less people go to college every year. Quit repeating boomer talking points like it's Gospel.

[Anonymous No.55519095]

>>55519063
The average student debt load is 30k. Not 50-100. Only retards who go to elite private schools with not financial aid end up with mortgage levels amount of debt.

[Anonymous No.55519111]

>>55519090
that's not a rebuttal to what he said retard.

[Anonymous No.55519120]

>>55519041
I made 80k as a highschool drop out managing a Walmart and live in fear of the negative ROI I’m getting by giving it up to go to school. I have to be a doctor or Ivy League lawyer when I graduate to pay for the opportunity cost of giving up on being a store manager

[Anonymous No.55519128]

>>55519055
Unsound argument. The same can be said if everyone picked up trades.

[Anonymous No.55519129]

>>55519111
"Now everyone goes to college".
It's an apples for apples rebuttal of his point. Per Capita and absolute number of students enrolled for undergraduate degrees are shrinking. That's why college grads still make more money than welders.

[Anonymous No.55519161]

>>55519041
I agree, OP. College is a great investment in yourself, and in your future, if you do it right. Anyone who says it's a scam is either:
>too dumb to successfully graduate and salty about it
>thinks all college debt is the mortgage level amounts that you only rack up at some private institution with no financial aid
>has never actually researched it and is regurgitating exhausted talking points made by other retards
>fell for the "just learn to cood" meme and is salty about it
That being said, college is not for everybody. Not everyone needs a degree to be successful, and some people truly are gifted in the trades and can make lots of money doing that instead. Just because not everybody can, or even should, go to college doesn't mean it's a scam either.

[Anonymous No.55519172]

>>55519128
and its true, if everyone picked up trades competition would skyrocket and their income would plummet. There is also not enough demand to fulfill all those jobs

[Anonymous No.55519179]

>>55519129
you'd have to compare the drop in enrollments to amount of available high paying jobs to make the point you're trying to make.

"a slightly lower amount of people are going to college" doesn't rebut his point that a degree doesn't land you high paying jobs like people were promised. if anything, the lower enrollments point to degrees not being able to guarantee high paying jobs, like the original poster said

[Anonymous No.55519184]

>>55519041
Engineering and nursing are like the degrees with most demand. After that it drops quite heavily and gets autisticly competitive

[Anonymous No.55519207]

>>55519041
>a guaranteed path
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.55519210]

>>55519184
Retard here. What do engineers do and how hard is it to get into?

[Anonymous No.55519212]

>>55519041
College is a blatant scam, but it's also true that it's the most convenient univerally agreed upon signal of ability and the market doesn't care about feefees.

[Anonymous No.55519221]

>>55519179
You're not seriously arguing in 2023 that you can't make a decent living with a college degree in this labor market? If that it seriously you're point, than you should log off of this image board and log into indeed because it's obvious that this place isn't helping you succeed in life.

[Anonymous No.55519232]

>>55519210
Pretty hard they get hardest math, physics and statistics courses I'm pretty sure.

[Anonymous No.55519264]

>>55519221
no, I was pointing out that your "rebuttal" wasn't a rebuttal. that graph doesn't rebut his point either.

you're upset because you're trying to make reductionist arguments based on incomplete data and I'm not letting you. you should try to form your own arguments instead of posting graphs and pretending they're relevant.

I'll help you since college apparently didn't teach you critical thinking: the relevant statistic you should be looking at is the amount of people with a degree who are "underemployed". then you'd see that it varies significantly depending on the degree they got, and a broad defense of "going to college" isn't a rebuttal to his point. instead, we would arrive at the real conclusion, a synthesis of both of your points, which is: you should only go if you're getting a degree in something that's worth it.

based on your poor reasoning, I'm guessing you didn't go that route, which is why you avoided making that argument. shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.55519286]

>>55519041
It’s just low iq rightoid cope. Le based tradies seething about how those hecking city liberals with art degrees still make double what they do as a welder, so they make cope posts on here trying to deal with it.
The fact is if you were too dumb for a college degree you are scum, and someone with a high paying degree, such as in medicine, finance or law probably makes in one year what you make in ten.

[Anonymous No.55519287]

>>55519041
$18k is nothing. Some people are $100k debt.

[Anonymous No.55519303]

>>55519286
yes, compliant people who go through indoctrination programs are in higher demand in our fake economy.

I hope your makework email job was worth the yearly clotshot boosters you have to get, faggot

[Anonymous No.55519341]

>>55519286
yea but your wife is probably fucking the mailman or pool boy lmao, cope harder

[Anonymous No.55519346]

I'm half way through right now for combined BA/MA in elementary/special education at a state school. Over 40% of sped positions nationwide remain unfilled, and they pay better than regular teacher positions. As long as you can understand/write IEPs and make lesson plans hit learning goals from them, you're good. Behavior-based seclusion special education is more popular than ever with behaviors from scamdemic isolation, so there will be plenty of work to go around that's unionized, has good benefits, and I genuinely enjoy. I've also worked as a special education aide for the last 5 years full time, and I'm male. I'm not even worried about not being hired, and I can work 5 years as a teacher and go the admin or college teacher route if I want to. Even working full time ontop of classes, the coursework is not hard and, surprisingly, there's room to push back against DEI and inclusion initiatives within the classroom environment. If I teach for 5 years in a special education environment, the federal gov will give me $10k in loan forgiveness for it.

I tried the blue collar thing for years prior to this. You know what it got me? Constant overuse injuries, "unions" that would look at you like you were free money but also the problem when you needed their help, and shit pay for your effort. Skilled work like climbing cell towers and underwater welding pays well, but there's other sacrifices with it as well. It works for some people, but not for me anymore.

[Anonymous No.55519353]

>>55519082
>Sheer luck
unironically this

[Anonymous No.55519362]

>>55519041
>2019
Things were different back around 2008. What other baffling things would you like explained?

[Anonymous No.55519895]

>>55519041
Made 500k a year
As a pressure welder
Traveled Africa to Texas.

Retired at 26

Had a real power process
Elephants to Algerian whores

Your a coddled man from the culdisac of Disney

You will never be a pipeline welder
You will never feel big Montana Sky's or Arabian nights

You will never
Wine them
Dine them
Pipeline em

[Anonymous No.55519920]

>>55519286
Your mom coddled you. In some low energy suburban environment.

The cops were called on you when you lit a fire cracker.

90% of your life was in a coddled school environment. You think you won, but your life can be defined as coddled, castrated, in a open air zoo.

[Anonymous No.55519923]

>>55519286
Don't forget circumsized

The american male with a bachelor's is
Coddled
Castrated
And circumscized

[Anonymous No.55519934]

>>55519041
>>55519923
>>55519920
>>55519895
>>55519362
>>55519353
>>55519346
>>55519341
>>55519303
>>55519287
>>55519286
>>55519264
>>55519232
>>55519221
>>55519212
>>55519210
>>55519207
>>55519184
>>55519179
>>55519172
>>55519161
>>55519129
>>55519128
>>55519120
>>55519111
>>55519095
>>55519090
>>55519082
>>55519063
>>55519055
>>55519049
College to get a real degree is what filter out low class wagies/tradies like /biz/

[Anonymous No.55519958]

>>55519934
These shabbos goyim are 10000%
Coddled by oppressive femensit mommy
Circomsized
Waiting to be castrsted by their coolage educated wife.
C
C
C

You will never lay pipe in morrocan wombs while the French foreign legion keeps Bantus from attacking your critical path line.

Boring coddled men
With boring stories.

My son will come and fuck your wives.

He will lay that pipe

[Anonymous No.55519970]

>>55519934
Another coddled, circumsized, and castrated american suburban chud.

Few facts my boyos

The average american millionaire is a college drop out.

The majority of billionaires
Drop outs

You traded a path , a journey of excitement

To be coddled, like your mom coddled you.

[Anonymous No.55520172]

>>55519041
Like every tool, it depends on how you employ it.
Statistically, most who go to college waste their time by neglecting to utilize the tool or planning in advance how they will use it and how that will benefit the lifestyle that they haven't chosen yet. They rack up debt and then work in the lowest paying jobs that have no relevance to the topics they stuidied in college.
There is a lot of FUD surrounding college but that is true of anything and everything.
>tl;dr most people haven't put any forethought into the lifestyle they want and get little benefit from college degrees they paid for

[Anonymous No.55520175]

>>55519970
>Drop outs
=/= uneducated

[Anonymous No.55520283]

>>55519221
Statistics, correlation does not equal causation. Unless you have a specific profession picked out with some work experience in that area do not go to school, it’s expensive.

[Anonymous No.55520326]

>>55519120
How many hours do you put in though? Would you take $70k to work from home about 25 hours/wk?

[Anonymous No.55520346]

>>55519970
>>55519958
You can't even write correctly, you were filtered out anon. Sorry, most of the low stock kids are

[Anonymous No.55520351]

Should I get my Associate's in Accounting? How much can I make if I start my own business?

[Anonymous No.55520414]

>>55519041
I went to school and got a BS Criminal Psychology, then went into the oil industry and was paid $90k+ my first year, second year was offered $120+, by my fourth year I would have been an Engineer by trade earning over $300k. They did not give a shit about my degree, it was not related. They saw that I showed up and performed exceptionally well. I paid my school debt in a couple pay checks. Realized school was a fucking waste of time. Bought bitcoin at an average of $250 ea with my first year salary in 2013 and 2014. Did not believe in our centralized currency and a good friend told me it was the right timer to buy. I quit my job after the first year because I was earning more money than I knew how to spend and I value my time over anything. Family and friends thought I was retarded giving up a high paying gig like that. I live frugally. Eat lentils for almost every meal and other cheap healthy shit. I started traveling the world, working whatever interesting gig I could find to make ends meet, mainly fancy restaurants and catering food at cool events. I am talented though so I also got a job a private, garden at a mansion, anything fancy. I forgot about my bitcoins. Bro calls me a few years later, “Hey, didn’t you buy bitcoin some years ago?”

Me: yea, why?
Him: they’re up at 15k now.

I check my wallet and realized I never had to work again. Sold all of them at 19k watch it crash and climb but never bought back in.

You don’t need school, it’s a scam. Work hard be willing to learn, and make fantastic investments and life will be easy.

[Anonymous No.55520459]

You paid $19k and immediately got hired, genius. That’s almost half of the average student loan debt burden. There are states where it’s $50k-$100k to go to a public university and many of those cannot land a job.

[Anonymous No.55520476]

>>55519264
Oh wow look I'm part of the underemployment CS grads that aren't in the 70%. Nice!

[Anonymous No.55520492]

>>55519055
You need 125iq for mech eng. That's about 3% of the population

[Anonymous No.55520504]

>>55519286
I like how leftists dont even pretend to respect the working class anymore

[Anonymous No.55520653]

>>55520504
You see left and right while us upperclass look down on naïve poors like you
>t. Ivy league

[Anonymous No.55520661]

>>55519041
>everyone goes to college
>now there s an inflation of graduated people
>lower level jobs still need to be done
Now what? There s already a college inflation because every retard goes to college and graduates

[Anonymous No.55520664]

>>55520653
>doesnt address what I said in the slightest
I'm white collar with a degree

[Anonymous No.55520696]

>>55520664
>You're retarded for thinking in left and right, also you're poor
>Bro I don't understand what you mean
Sounds about right for a retard kek

[Anonymous No.55520706]

>>55520653
Arrogance is unbecoming of a supposed 'upper-class' gentleman

[Anonymous No.55520715]

a useful degree got me out of low wage, white nigger factory work and into a comfy wfh job.

[Anonymous No.55520735]

>>55520706
It absolutely is. That's how I know you've never been around actual rich people

[Anonymous No.55520786]

>>55520735
No True Scotsman

[Anonymous No.55520810]

>>55519041
college is an amazing investment as long as you're not a right wing conservative white male with no weird kinks. for those bigots theyll get to the office and promptly be fired on the spot over and over (yes I was really fired on the spot several times)

[Anonymous No.55520819]

>>55519041
I rarely hire college graduates because they rarely have real world work experience by their mid 20s. self taught employees are less entitled and typically grasp concepts much quicker.
educated != intelligent

[Anonymous No.55520826]

>>55520810
Just be handsome instead
It won't matter your political beliefs and your kinks become alluring

[Anonymous No.55520829]

>>55520810
This is an actual anti right bot thread. They are here trying to change you. This entire forum has changed recently. It’s not coincidence.

This shits getting scary.

[Anonymous No.55520840]

>>55520810
>be an unbearable social retard
>bring up DEMONRATS and DA LIBZ at work
>get fired repeatedly
you need to learn to manage your emotions, retard.

[Anonymous No.55520998]

>>55519041
>I’m shocked that there are still people saying bullshit like college is a scam or not worth it and that you should just become a fucking welder or something.
Notice how it's only college dropouts and tradies who say this. Those of us who graduated with marketable degrees are doing very well compared to these retards.

[Anonymous No.55521020]

>>55519041
it depends on what you study

[Anonymous No.55521021]

>>55520998
everyone who isnt a retard does well in the US. You faggots wouldnt stand a chance outside your coddled bubble of massive endless dollar printing

[Anonymous No.55521931]

>>55519041
>hang out with the top 10% of society
>4 years of partying, sex
>girls are all in their prime, many are there solely to find a man
>network with people who go on to have successful lives
>80k job upon graduation if you go to a good school and major in something in demand

only the dumbasses go into trades

[Anonymous No.55521947]

>go to college
>get degree
>spend years doing meme temp office jobs any retard can do for no money
>at least I'm not a construction wagie though

[Anonymous No.55521997]

>>55519128
Youre fighting against unchecked digits >>55519055 so you're automatically wrong. Luckily he also understands basic labor supply and demand (none of this board has taken basic micro or macro or even read books on them fucking /sci/ and /lit/ are better). You also graduated into the longest and most prosperous (economically) bull run in American history. Congrats on "making it." You've never experienced a recession except what is happening now.

Most of the people complaining are grads around 07-08 when high school students were competing with college grads who themselves were fighting laid off professionals for retail and fast food. Even if you made it several years later you got fucked with interest by a system that promised you the world by checking a list of boxes.
>>55521931
The best pussy isn't in university.

[Anonymous No.55521998]

>>55520653
>>55520735

this reeks of whiny nepobaby arrogance
Awweee did somebody forget their Adderall this morning??

[Anonymous No.55522014]

>>55521931
Except A&M is a cult school full of weird white kids. Woop woop woop woop can't wait to work at Raytheon just like my dad!!

[Anonymous No.55522029]

>>55519041
>I graduated with $18,000 in student loans
So your parents paid for most of it?

[Anonymous No.55522063]

You simply cannot make such a sweeping statement in 2023. You can't. It's gotten too expensive to do so. There are two basic scenarios:

>paying the least amount possible, for the best school possible, for an objectively lucrative and in demand field

good investment

>overpaying for a low demand, non lucrative field

bad investment.

There is no universe where paying $100k for a history or fashion degree is a good investment. You have just guaranteed yourself a career-long debt saddle and your starting pay will be waitress level.

[Anonymous No.55522147]

>>55519041
>got a job starting at 70k as a mechanical engineer, I now make 135k as a Mech e and I literally laugh my ass off when I read posts about college grads “drowning in debt”.
Another underrated hint that's unknown to you is the idea of getting involved into index investment. Nobody gave you that hint up to now.

[Anonymous No.55522185]

>>55519041
What if I'm bad at math and have not done algebra in 20 years.
Is there still hope for me?

[Anonymous No.55522253]

>>55520414
Shit advice bro.
I left Toronto to go into the oil patch. Shit pay, $28/hr in leaf bucks, 12 hour shifts, waking up at terrible hours, man camps, ignorant, vindictive fucktard coworkers, -30 degrees Celsius etc.
Can I get a referral for your $300k job?

[Anonymous No.55522285]

>>55519041
College is a very big scam roasty. How come I graduated from social science with one of the best grades from Yale, yet I've gotten my biggest pay flipping PEPE and NXRA.
>2 years crypto training.
>20 years in school from toddler.

[Anonymous No.55522294]

>>55519041
College is mostly good for people with 115+ IQ.
And even some of the more intelligent people would rather prefer to start accumulating wealth more early in life (albeit at lower salary).
And some feel better when working with their hands.
Apart from a very small number of coping tradies, most people were simply saying that college is overrated and not suitable for ALL people, both of which are true.

[Anonymous No.55522302]

>>55520810
>>55520829
This site was never political. Left/right is a meme and always has been.
Both of you are trying to construct a narrative together.

[Anonymous No.55522304]

>>55522294
rather start accumulating*
sry sleep deprived

[Anonymous No.55522326]

>>55522302
Their representations in murican politics might be a meme, but the left-right spectrum is definitely not.
Your vote in "democracy" doesn't matter.
Democracy is the real meme.
You can MOVE to a more left-wing or a more right-wing country, though.

[Anonymous No.55522337]

>>55520840
>y y y you should've just been a social prodigy AND a perfect scientist

[Anonymous No.55522393]

>>55519041
I studied a very rigorous course in engineering. I graduated and get paid to use almost none of it.
The system is broken

[Anonymous No.55522503]

>>55519041
College is a scam in terms of forcing students to be "well rounded" and take shitty classes to give humanities professors jobs.

In my college years, I was only interested in computer science, engineering, math, and science. Why couldn't I just stack STEM classes, learn a fuck ton of advanced Math and CS, and never have to take a "feminist dance theory and basket weaving" class? If I tried to do what I wanted and just drop out after finishing a ton of the advanced stem classes, no job would give a second glance at me because they all wanted degrees. I wasted so much time, effort on things I hated just so I could get into a job I love today. Imagine if I was allowed to take a ton more stem electives - I could have built so much more cool shit earlier instead of being forced to teach everything to myself on my own time.

And don't give me some philosophical bullshit about how well roundedness makes society better - the moment you charge any amount of money is the moment any "muh society" argument gets thrown out the window. I only wanted to pay to take STEM classes and a shit ton of really cool STEM electives. I didn't want to pay for humanities. I wish I could have just taken stem classes, got a stupid vocational cert after 3 years so entry level jobs wouldn't have ignored me at the time, and gtfo.

I currently make good money at 140k a year plus a decent bonus, but god I wasted a year or two of my best years on stupid god damn humanities bullshit.

[Anonymous No.55522707]

>>55522503
>Why couldn't I just stack STEM classes, learn a fuck ton of advanced Math and CS
they were actually looking out for you. they wanted to make sure you were minimally reproductively viable and could at least interact with the female species instead of going 100% turbo autismo

[Anonymous No.55522777]

College is a retarded institution that exists to finance the pussy pass, and your shit ass attempts at mending the narrative for young men are harmful to the core.

In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if this attempt at a narrative shift is due to the fact that the value of a college education is rapidly getting squeezed by both globalization and all the talent (young men who work hard) leaving it, leaving the tiktok roasties who get subsidized not as rich as they were promised.

[Anonymous No.55522915]

>>55519970
>The average american millionaire is a college drop out.
Joined the club.

>The majority of billionaires Drop outs
Own the club

Your never going to make it if you don't know the structure of this world.

[Anonymous No.55522986]

>>55519221
based on your graph, with a PHD I still cant afford to buy a house.

[Anonymous No.55523013]

>>55522503
The point is to enculturate you into a society of people that is more successful in large part because they all understand each other and share a mode of thought. It didn't work because you spent the whole time seething instead of learning.

[Anonymous No.55523060]

>>55522326
I disagree. The spectrum is just a tool to measure what incentives a society is providing. They shift accoriding to the incentives.
>picrel
Going through the purse is a test. In the few instances it is not, asking people to go through your arbitrarily organized stuff is an exercise in timewasting. It is always faster to take the purse.

[Anonymous No.55523138]

>>55520326
Probably 60
The real drain is the floating retail schedule

[Anonymous No.55523442]

>>55520696
>still fails to address the point
Tes Kaczynski (IQ 167) discussed politics in left versus right, btw. But clearly you are too smart for it.

[Anonymous No.55523885]

I got a bs in a health science and got a 60k/year job out of hustling and also got high level manager job titles that make my resume look amazing. I feel like I need to get an MBA to underscore it all though... I had no idea what I was doing in those positions, I was hired under confidence only it seems.

[Anonymous No.55523937]

>>55519041
Cool true story pepe poster

[Anonymous No.55525278]

>>55522285
PEPE made a lot of degens based profits anon. I was lucky to sell the top and aped in on alts like Near, Dua, Flux and Dot for long term gains.

[Anonymous No.55525404]

Depends on the degree.

Everyone knows psychology, sociology, criminology, anthropology, etc. are completely useless, but the biggest danger of college are the meme degrees everyone is falling for:

> Computer Science (most obvious one)
> Mechanical Engineering and any other type of engineering really
> STEM as a whole

The meme degrees above are completely useless now thanks to oversaturation stemming from YouTube and tiktok. I recommend going for a skill based degree instead, like accounting for example - a skill you can take with you anywhere and get a job or start a business, regardless of employment status.

[Anonymous No.55525500]

>>55519264
You are actually an overconfident midwit. Your graph is no different than mine! It's displaying correlation factors. A person with a psych degree isn't underemployed because they can't find a job. It's because they're women who are working part time. Even with a bullshit psychology degree, you can work as a public school teacher and begin make 4k-6k per month whereas a welder might start out making 18 dollars per hour. The only trades that actually pay are HVAC and electricians and increasingly, truck drivers. All the other construction jobs are bullshit, barely above minimum wage, poverty jobs for Mexicans.

[Anonymous No.55525591]

>>55525500
You're STILL arguing something completely different than what the original poster was claiming.

The argument you're imagining:
>ALL degrees are USELESS and youre ALWAYS better off getting a job in the trades
His actual argument:
>the amount of jobs that pay 6 figures is low and competition is high due to the amount of people with college degrees that you would compete with. and considering the cost of a college degree, college is not worth it for a lot of people

It's telling that "midwit" is the harshest insult you could come up with. All the fancy book learnin' degrees in the world won't help your reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.55525676]

>>55525591
And you're imagining a student with a degree in dildo studies with 200k worth of debt who went to an elite meme college and has delusional exceptions for her career.

The truth is, even with a degree in dildo studies, you're world is opened up. School administration, government jobs, is where people end up if they have social studies degrees.

You're acting like it's an unrealistic prospect to graduate with a humanities degree and end up with a do nothing job that pays decent.

[Anonymous No.55525697]

Idk I got a business admin degree and I never parlayed it into a good job because I’m an introverted social retard. If I can’t continue making money trading this year I’m fucked, but I’m more than content sitting on my ass day trading with my cats instead of whatever bullshit 9-5 I can think of

[Anonymous No.55525717]

If college were such a great deal, why are there so many Democrats crying to big daddy government for student loan relief?

[Anonymous No.55525763]

>>55525591
College is not that expensive for most people that graduate and college degrees massively expand your earnings and earning potential at all ages and stages of life.

It’s just better, no amount of /pol/cel cope is ever going to disprove mountains of real world data. /pol/cels love to cherry pick bullshit like “what if you compare a 25 year old woman with a psych degree to a 28 year old man that became an electrician!” as if this gives a complete picture of the situation. College grads earn more, getter better and faster promotions, and have infinitely more possibilities, it’s still very much worth the money for the vast majority of people.

[Anonymous No.55525780]

>>55525717
A degree doesn’t necessarily guarantee good pay, it just guarantees you can work your dream job in that field or is just a stepping stone to a higher degree that puts you further into debt. And imagine all the grad students who failed their classes or thesis, that’s just more money down the drain

[Anonymous No.55525823]

>>55519207
>I don't even write cover letters because it takes too long
Yeah if he's not personalising or satisfying the bare minimum for applications then of course he'll get rejected

[Anonymous No.55525825]

>>55525404
>accounting
The IASB publishes everything for free. You can teach yourself anything about finance you want these days as well, I would argue a degree is just as useless for finance.

I think the resurgence in positive opinions surrounding college on 4chan that has grown is probably based off pure contrarianism alone, and I think it’s a mistake. College still in 2023 is based off kids not knowing what they want to do in life and spending vast sums of money to dick around for 4 years and pretend they are learning something, then retconning the experience into some passage of rights.

[Anonymous No.55525863]

>>55519041
The ones crying are over paying for things that don't earn. Degrees that doing earn are ok in small amounts, but we're churning out mediocre non achievers at an unsustainable rate.

They're doing their best to invent jobs for them in the HR department (DEI Commissars) but business can only absorb so much waste, and the quality/efficiency dent is growing too large to deny. The coming recession will only make this worse and more apparent.

They need to be reskilled for all the jobs we're outsourcing to third worlders, and stop bringing in the new people. This will be a hard pill to swallow but it's the only way.

This will also fix the job market, housing cost, and energy cost crisis.

[Anonymous No.55527265]

>>55523013
That'd be an ok-ish reason if US college was free. It'd make sense to want people to integrate with society and understand nuanced writing, history, arts, etc. It's why I still support high schools teaching humanities.

But even with financial aid it was $10k per year for the 4 year engineering degree at a cheap state school. To keep myself from getting fucked by debt, I had to work and live at home, making every humanities class not giving me direct benefits in terms of work skills the equivilent of a reverse job. I had to pay huge sums of money to do work that wasn't furthering my skills for my overall career goals at the time.

It's near impossible not to seethe at classes like "history of slavery" and "comic book analysis" when you pay them 10k year from your wagie job to check humanities credit boxes. If the degree was free, they would be fine classes for sure. But if given the chance to not take them and get a degree for a job resume checkbox, I would have taken that opportunity in a heartbeat and saved myself the $10k.

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>>55525676
no, I'm not. you're imagining arguments that weren't made.
>>55525763
"it's just better" doesn't account for costs or trade offs or demand of jobs. it's not better 100% of the time, you're just wrong about that. have fun with your strawmen and rent free boogeymen.

[Anonymous No.55527424]

>>55522707
Imagine trying to teach feminist theory and not enrage man you are fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.55527874]

>>55519041
Maybe I don't care about having a high paying job and would rather make it with crypto and pursue my own passions without having to worry about money.

[Anonymous No.55527905]

>>55519041
College is a scam for retards going for useless degrees like art, women's studies, and black history. It's also a scam because room & board is x5 the industry average. If you avoid these things sure it's a great gig. Also if you're better with your hands and not books, college can't help you but a trade might. For a college-educated engie you don't seem to know how to read.

[Anonymous No.55527918]

>>55525825
Nigger you can do your own taxes for free and have been able to for the past 30 years. But nobody does because it's boring as shit. That's why accountants have survived the automation of their career and will even survive AI. Nobody wants to deal with their W2 so they'll pay someone else to.

[Anonymous No.55528189]

>>55527918
Devs have good opportunities in the wrb3 space in particular, they have the freedom to code smart contracts in any language and make a living out of that fantastically.

[Anonymous No.55528196]

>>55519041
25% of grads work high school level jobs for life
25% if fucking chunky. A hood portion take a decade+ just to pay off their loans too. Overall it's a plan B. Plan A is going all in crypto during a bear market and hoping for the best. College is overpriced as shit too. All that said I should have became a teacher. Easiest fucking middle class job ever

[Anonymous No.55528319]

>>55525500
truck driver isn't a trade

[Anonymous No.55528429]

>>55522777
nice get, Mr. Antman. Care to post a human sized chart?
>>55519221
This chart makes me want to kms as a member of that 1.5 %

[Anonymous No.55529353]

>>55528189
The life time royalties they can get from that is what that make them more attracted to it.

[Anonymous No.55529369]

>>55519041
>College is an amazing investment
no it's not.
t. college grad.

these days everyone has some useless arts degree and even stem grads struggle to find work in their field.

[Anonymous No.55529427]

>>55519041
College was an amazing place to help young talent "discover themselves". MBA at Harvard and internships in FAANG were more helpful.

[Anonymous No.55531152]

its the useless degrees that are a waste of money. the hard ones that no one wants to do are worth it

[Anonymous No.55531235]

>>55519041
>I’m genuinely baffled by the anti college stuff
Anon, it's because you got a degree in something real, ostensibly from a good school. Most people who go to college are average IQ, go to non-prestigious universities, and get make-believe degrees. Normies get memed into college so that boomer alumni can fund bigger and better sports arenas with which they can worship niggers. Just ask any normie how they'd feel if they hadn't gone to college and marvel at how they insist that, yes, they did in fact go to college thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.55531253]

>>55519221
Do these stats mean that those that go to college are likely to make more, or many of those that go to college are more likely from already privileged backgrounds that already have family social connections and family financial assistance to get them in a better position?

[Anonymous No.55531259]

>>55525717
Because they always cry for government intervention regardless of their financial situation

[Anonymous No.55531281]

>>55519090
Do it by major. I hope the drop was from shitty degrees like communications and anthropology.

[Anonymous No.55532570]

Just go to community college and then transfer to state university to get 4 year degree. Then just try to get lucky and get job at big corporation which hires new grads and then job hop a year or two after.

t. graduated with finance degree and about 2 years after I made 125k in 2021 and 105k in 2022 but now stuck at around 80k because mortgage industry is fucking dead right now

[Anonymous No.55532585]

>>55519041

I'm proud my niece is going to college.

[Anonymous No.55532788]

im 450k in student loans fuck off it shouldnt cost this much bootlicking faggot

[Anonymous No.55532980]

>>55519958
bantus are seperated from morocco by other ethnicities so your statement doesn't really make much sense

[Anonymous No.55532989]

Got tricked into doing a trade and it was totally Jew tier

Professors just rambled non stop about how much money you "could" make as an auto tech, total bullshit

First issue was out of the entire city you have maybe 20 big dealerships with 8 techs each, most of these techs have been there since forever and have no intention in leaving. So each year 60 techs if you're lucky enter the field and maybe 10 of them land positions, and then the jewing begins, the highest they will offer you is $12 an hour and you'll take it like a little fag because you know if you don't then you've wasted a year of schooling

They take away your breaks and make you work 6 day weeks, and then righttttt before your 3 months period where you get benefits they fire you and hire a new Mexican and do it again, like clockwork

They don't want to apprentice you they just want cheap labour

[Anonymous No.55533189]

>>55522503
This anon gets it. Very based

[Anonymous No.55533249]

>>55527265
Based and true

[Anonymous No.55533259]

>>55531235
>Just ask any normie how they'd feel if they hadn't gone to college and marvel at how they insist that, yes, they did in fact go to college thank you very much.
kek

[Anonymous No.55533308]

>>55519041
college really is heaven on earth
>dank weed and alcohol every day
>go to class and learn some cool shit
>go to the library to learn more cool shit and write things
>pretty, smart, young women away from their parents for the first time in their lives, in all of your classes, labs, and on-campus jobs
>cool dudes you can make friends with easily, again in all of your classes, labs, and on-campus jobs

trade school has its own merits but yeah

[Anonymous No.55533418]

>>55527265
Okay anon, here is how it works in the most simplified way possible. Other fags in this thread should also read this.
To be a member of the elite you need a few things:
>1. lots of money
>2. high IQ
>3. adoption of elite cultural norms and beliefs
Now, lots of money is generally easy to prove and hard to fake (buy a house in the Hamptons, for example). I'm sure you understand how people demonstrate their wealth.
High IQ is harder. You see, forcing people to do an actual IQ test is considered gauche even outside of elite circles; and elite cultural norms are to pretend that IQ isn't real (we can argue about WHY they do this, but it's not relevant to the discussion). So you have to find some surrogate IQ test to do. The standard one is to go to an elite university with selection criteria that require a high IQ to get in. The content has very little relevance for passing the IQ criterion test.
Some people don't go to elite university and pass the IQ criterion test by doing something that requires you to be very clever - becoming a multimillionaire/billionaire starting from lower social rung is a perennial classic.
Criterion 3 is where it gets interesting. Being born into these families is a great way to learn elite cultural norms, but its not impossible for an outsider to do. The elites are in fact very nice about it - you pass the Ivy League admission (IQ test) and then the curriculum itself is an elite cultural norms indoctrination program!
Other ways to prove you've adopted elite cultural norms are to be a Hollywood progressive faggot type, satanic pedo rituals (according to 4chan), etc.
>what about diversity admissions
Even if a baboon were to get into the Ivy League through affirmative action (faked criterion 2) they will not be able to make a lot of money (failed criterion 1) and will struggle to meet elite norms of behavior besides ostentatious support of LGBTQP etc (failed criterion 3 as baboon can't learn to hold fork properly).

[Anonymous No.55534060]

>>55533308
all of this was true before 2019. now colleges are full of pro-cancel culture woke weenies who will report you for sleeping with a girl who had one drink or for dating a freshman 18 year old when you're 23

[Anonymous No.55534107]

>>55522707
kek

[Anonymous No.55534120]

>>55520351
Associates in accounting is worthless.

[Anonymous No.55534213]

>>55525763
Then repay your fucking loans and stop begging me to do it.

[Anonymous No.55534288]

>>55519041
For the 80,000th time, the man of the future does both. I worked a trade to put myself through college. I'm a journeyman PF, and have a degree. I'll have my own business soon enough hopefully. The only advantage I really had over the average guy is a hookup on an apprenticeship, but that's not entirely hard to come by, and it backfired for me in a couple ways. Should have been a sparkie, should have double majored instead of minoring in what I really want to do. Set a plan, and dedicate yourself to it like a madman, it will work fine. Even in complete failure you will have some certs and things that won't leave you hanging out to dry in the drink or suicide.

[Anonymous No.55534294]

Basically im just not gonna pay 100,000 for a piece of paper

[Anonymous No.55534329]

>>55519041
>Be sysadmin with unrelated degree
>Make $100k
>Know a bit of everything but want to do specialized work
>Go to western governors university for network engineering and complete within a year
>Have interviewed for multiple jobs that pay $120k+, one is as high as $175k for network engineer at major ISP.
The right degree can open a lot of doors, I wish I'd gone back to school 5 years ago.

[Anonymous No.55534421]

>>55521931
>women go to university solely to find a man
lmao this virgin has definitely never been within 10 miles of a university campus