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>> No.55512880

Thinking of getting in on TSM but don't know if I should wait for the earnings on the 20th

>> No.55512894
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>started investing 2 years ago
>portfolio down 70%
>haven't made a single profit
goddamn do I suck at this

>> No.55512896

TMC

>> No.55512897 [DELETED] 
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I hate women

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>>55502078
>>55511138
>>55511152
I come here to clarify that there's a /biz/ FUD campaign against me thinking that I created thread with 300$ gain.

Don't believe false prophets, and that's why I secured a trip.

I will never ever post without a trip about DISH.

Proof that I even posted in that thread with trip, every other ID had 1 post.

It was probably that NVDA guy who I shat on in original thread.

Screencap this post and pic related.

I said I will only post OP's with trip and not participate in threads, as I have more important things to do than screen this garbage board day by day.

Cooking other plays silently.

Whoever posts about DISH without this trip is a fake.

>> No.55512903

>>55512891

>> No.55512906
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later aligator

>> No.55512909
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Daily reminder that we are headed for a major, global banking crisis
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/commercial-real-estate-crash-prices-credit-crunch-office-demand-economy-2023-7
https://archive.is/TWenS
>Commercial real estate values are set to crater as much as 40% by 2025 in these 6 cities Capital Economics said
>San Francisco, Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles, Boston, and Washington, DC.
>Morgan Stanley sees a 40% crash in commercial real estate prices, meaning the sector would suffer an even more severe downturn than it did in 2008.
The banks are all have massive losses from their bonds. Bank of America for example, $100 billion in losses on bonds
https://financialpost.com/financial-times/bank-of-america-nurses-100-billion-paper-loss-after-big-bet-in-bond-market
>Bank of America nurses $100-billion paper loss after big bet in bond market
So. You have the banks getting fucked in their assholes by the bond market. Then you have the banks getting skull fucked by commercial real estate crash. Meanwhile, the inverted yield curve killing lending profitability is pinching the banks nipples. And all this at the same time, deposits are flowing out of the banks - why keep your money in a savings account making 1% interest?
>huge bond losses
>huge commercial real estate losses
>huge lending losses
>huge deposit outflows
You have been warned. You will not listen. You will still be surprised when it happens, and you will say nobody warned you.

>> No.55512913

boycotting this tranny thread, fuck trannys, fuck op,and fuck this thread. i'll see you next one, and you all can thank OP, and the lgbtqia¾+2- community for not getting my picks for today.

>> No.55512914

y'all sleeping on CMPS

>> No.55512924
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>> No.55512926

>>55512898
of all the fucking stocks to shill. DISH? lol.
starlink is going to fuck that company dry no lube

>> No.55512933

>>55512894
my first year was 700 profit and 1400 losses. im down 40%.

this year i was out of the market for 6 months and didnt watch the market. shoulda watched so i could have gotten on the good times early.

just find a proven system to adhere to. and stop random gambling.

>> No.55512936

>>55512873
I think CVNA can go to 70$ this year easily

>> No.55512937

>>55512873
What in the fuck clogniggers

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>>55512873
>the most beautiful woman in the Netherlands is a man
how bullish is this new client base for ulta?

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>>55512926
Norwegian cruise lines.

>> No.55512947

BAH to 200

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predict market open

>> No.55512955

>>55512894
I lost 94% in 3 years from options, we'll see if that continues because I'm getting tempted to try again

>> No.55512957

>>55512953
morning crash. end green

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Lads...
I bought the top...
The very top...
I did it, so that nobody else could possibly lose as much as me...
Please... remember me...

>> No.55512962

>>55512955
>I'm getting tempted to try again
typical gambling addiction

>> No.55512971

>>55512955
trading futures is smart, trading options is retarded

>> No.55512972

>>55512909
Lol bro did you just wake up from a fucking coma? Yeah I'm sure the financial industry hasn't thought about this yet

>> No.55512977

>>55512955
Thank god I never got into options, because I'm definitely too retarded for that and I would be down even more than I already am

>> No.55512978

So are we buying DISH or not

>> No.55512982

>>55512955
How the absolute fuck

>> No.55512985

>>55512978
we are buying SQQQ you ape
Tech tannies getting fucking OBLITERATED this week once core CPI drops

>> No.55512986

what is this shizo PM action? Investors clearly have no clue the direction to take from here

>> No.55512990

>>55512985
>inb4 core CPI is shit but market rallies on "better CPI YoY than expected"
You gotta live with the times my dude

>> No.55512993

>>55512985
I see some version of this comment every week and it never materializes

>> No.55513000

>>55512873
That's something I'd expect from England

>> No.55513003

The Lord is with us today

>> No.55513005

>>55512972
>I'm sure the financial industry hasn't thought about this yet
They unironically have not. All of the banks have functioned, for decades, under the (false) belief that
>Commercial real estate only goes up in value!
They structured their loans, their deals, their balance sheets around this belief. They all took excessive risks, as to them, it wasn't risky as
>Commercial real estate only goes up!
There are people discussing this outside of myself, of course.. just as there were people discussing '08 looming crisis before, too.
>Slow moving train
Only about a week ago, the Fed brought it up, asking lenders to come to the assistance of those with commercial real estate losses
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-29/us-asks-lenders-to-help-firms-with-commercial-real-estate-stress#xj4y7vzkg
https://archive.is/z0mea
The top US bank regulators are asking lenders to work with credit-worthy borrowers that are facing stress in the commercial real estate market.
Financial firms should “work prudently and constructively” with good clients, the government agencies said in guidance on Thursday. The statement from the Federal Reserve, Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and National Credit Union Administration updates guidance on workouts that the watchdogs issued in 2009.
Property owners have come under pressure as borrowing costs soared, causing companies including Brookfield Corp. and an office landlord managed by Pacific Investment Management Co. funds to default on debt. Office owners are particularly struggling as higher borrowing costs complicate financing and tenants pull back given layoffs and the rise of remote work.
Lenders will have to confront tricky negotiations as nearly $400 billion of debt on commercial real estate matures this year. The amount of distressed commercial property assets climbed to nearly $64 billion in the first quarter of this year, according to MSCI Real Assets.

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>>55512971
No. You're just retarded. You don't understand the breadth of options strategies, risk tolerance and hedging

>> No.55513009

>>55512993
two more weeks

>> No.55513012

>>55512990
>>55512985
Only chuds care about core CPI, regular CPI is under 2% annualized and Powell must begin cutting rates soon or he is irresponsibly risking deflation. We don't want any deflation as it is bad for the economy.

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>>55513005
priced in

>> No.55513027

the only question is, do we test 4400

>> No.55513033

>>55513020
You will see.
You will learn.
https://mishtalk.com/economics/the-next-bank-crisis-is-coming-right-up-commercial-real-estate-implosion/

>> No.55513035

>>55512894
Stop goombling and start buying and holding.

>> No.55513039

>>55513005
>>55513033
Medz

>> No.55513040

if fangs dont get slurped this morning, were in for a ride this week

>> No.55513044

daily reminder to get out by September.

>> No.55513050

>>55513033
commercial RE FUD is a literal nothingburger

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4614437-billionaire-elon-musk-says-sell-real-estate

>> No.55513055

>>55513005
Commercial real estate doesn't matter anymore. Once offices get cheap enough Lennar and DR Horton will place bids and renovate them as pod housing for the masses.
The Fed will NEVER let big banks feel even the slightest bit of pain. Regional banks will suffer but big banks like JPMorgan will be happy to absorb them with financial support from the Fed

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oil go up
I am not taking any of this bleed back down crap

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>>55513035
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING. I'VE BEEN HOLDING FOR 2 YEARS BUT IT ALL KEEPS GOING DOWN

>> No.55513087

>>55513066
I guess you bought high growth stocks right at the peak of the bubble. Trust me you're not alone, tons of people got into the market near the top and got stuck

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>>55513066
Try buying low and selling high

>> No.55513095

>>55513066
just use stochrsi on hourly and daily chart and limit orders to get low entry price
and remove any greed

>> No.55513098

>>55513066
what did you buy?
>inb4 penny stocks and shilled /smg tickers like SIGA

>> No.55513100

>>55513066
Oh, uh well start holding other stuff then anon. I suggest a nice comfy boomer index fund.

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>>55513098
Hey I, along with a lot of other anons, made good money on SIGA. It was fun while it lasted.

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i'm about to do a farty and make my pullups rather poopy but i don't feel bad about it because i deserve it for losing all that money

>> No.55513119

>>55513104
most dont know when to take profits especially when a stock is mooning, they get euphoric and believe its gonna be 1000 eoy

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>>55513115
>>55513115
>>55513115
i baked a thread for real men who don't drink bud light while shopping at target incase anybody else is pissed off at op

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>>55513098
SNDL is what's dragging me down the most right now

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WHAST THE FUCK WAS THAT

>> No.55513160

CVNA is pumping yet again LMAO

Up 600% and still going

>> No.55513168

>>55513119
It do be that way most of the time
>>55513131
Everyone's got that one shitty drug stock that they're bagholding. Mine was TRUFF. Dumped it at a 50% loss.

>> No.55513182

>>55513160
No it's not

>> No.55513183

THEY SEE ME FOMO THEY HATIN

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the opening bell anon is missing

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>>55513056

I'm tired of getting cucked by oil all year long

>> No.55513188

>>55513168
>TRUFF
Damn I remember seeing that get shilled for a while. I guess it's just something to learn from in the end.

>> No.55513198

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

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>>55513160
Everytime I think "nah that would be retarded to get into CVNA at this point" it just keeps on pumping. People can't possibly like buying used cars from an elevator that much.
>>55513188
I bought a couple of years ago during the "this is your last chance to get in under .50!" phase of shilling, kek. An anon once said on here to consider your losses a tuition fee for learning how to trade. If you think of it like that, it doesn't feel quite as bad.

>> No.55513218

>>55512955
for options you can follow
https://www.youtube.com/@OptionsMillionaire/streams

>> No.55513225

Are there still some AQB baggies in the thread?

>> No.55513229

>>55513198
A big "fuck you" apparently

>> No.55513232

>>55512977
Me too man, me too. I just buy shit, hold until profit or zero

>> No.55513250

>>55513033
smg is for funny. Warning retards avout the most obvious economic disaster since the last one is not funny. Letting retards lose everything is funny. In the future, before posting please ask youself
>Is this good for the funny?
Thanks.

>> No.55513274

Sell me on this DISH shit.
No walls of text, explain to me as you would a child.

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PAMP EET

>> No.55513284

What the fuck is with these crabs that ruin the market?

>> No.55513292

>>55513250
The retards who read my warning will ignore it, and continue pouring money into the top.
Those with a brain will read it and will accumulate cash, place money in short dated bonds in the meantime.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
However you can still try. You can still try to prevent as many horses from dying of thirst as possible. You can't save every horse.

>> No.55513299

>>55513274
It might be a buy-and-hold until they get bought out by someone
That’s the only upside I can see

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I think crabs should be beheaded and boiled

>> No.55513313

>>55513292
>place money in short dated bonds in the meantime
how do I do this? I agree that commercial RE is going to be wrecked in the next twelve months

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Bobros ....

>> No.55513326

Let me guess, there's yet another fucking Jpow talk coming up so the market is jewing everyone out

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>>55513292
>4 posts by this ID
4 figure account too I'd wager

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What the hell is happening to Microsoft ?

>> No.55513334

>>55513313
>how do I do this?
You can buy them yourself on the treasury website
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/01/heres-how-to-buy-treasury-bills-as-yields-top-5percent.html
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/marketable-securities/buying-a-marketable-security/
You can also have your bank / broker buy for you, but they will take a cut

>> No.55513338

reminder CPI/PPI is in 2 days on Wed.

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>>55513326
CPI, PPI this week anon. Wed, Thu.
Forexfactory's calendar shows these types of events.

>> No.55513363

>>55513347
We have a fed talk every other day

>> No.55513364

>>55513313
for me it's BIL

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>MSFT
>GOOG
>AAPL

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Spent the weekend doing nothing. Now I'm home today taking care of things (What? Things needed doing so I took the day off work to deal with it all in one shot). I ordered another gun online last week,week before, and I hope they send me an e-mail today saying "come and get it" Would make my day even better.

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>nasdaq

Guess we are back

>> No.55513383

>>55513368
What did you get? I just bought an AR10.

>> No.55513386

>>55513328
>heh, 4 posts = 4 figure acct
>1 pbtid
Anon, I

>> No.55513388

>>55512914
>CMPS
Why?

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>>55513328
>4 figure account too I'd wager
You caught me.

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>>55512894
>>55513066
How? You could have bought all the big tech at exactly ATH in 2021 and still would would have been in the blue by a significant margin
Same with energy

>> No.55513407

>>55513368
>I ordered another gun online last week
Why now? Were they having a back to school sale or something?

>> No.55513410

>>55512990
>>55512993
>>55513012
sorry mumu chucklefucks
adults are back in control

>> No.55513412

>>55513376
Not so fast my friend.. look at the IWM

>> No.55513414

>>55513383
Well I've got a shotgun for uh home defense which I hope I never have to use for that purpose already. I bought a little 22 revolver for just playing round with. That's what I'm hoping I can pickup today.

>> No.55513425

>>55513405
awe fuck, it's time to sell my calls and get the puts.

>> No.55513439

>>55513399
>paper statement
Ok boomer. Don't forget your meds.

>> No.55513445

>>55513439
when you have a large enough portfolio, you have money managers my friend.
you will get there too, someday.

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>>55513425
Yeah man, try that on META. Fugg how I detest that stupid stock.

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>>55513439
>doesn't keep physical records
You probably aren't a zoomer so as millennial you should have learned this

>> No.55513486

>>55513445
>he pays retards to put his money in their shitty funds rather than just buying VOO himself
Retarded boomer.

>> No.55513487

so.... when will SOXL be 30?

>> No.55513492

>>55513274
Big pivot to 5G by a company with history of success in dying industry, sat tv.

>> No.55513494

just watched my stock open at +25% to drawdown to 11%. really hope we reach the 25% by close

>> No.55513497

>>55513399
>>55513445
What's on your near term investment radar?

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>Baggie bought puts at the local bottom

>> No.55513513

>>55513504
no i didn't, stop talking about shit you don't even know anything about.

>> No.55513519

>>55513504
and don't let that be an invitation to start talking about anal sex and life as a tranny wearing earings and makeup.

>> No.55513520

>>55513497
bonds. 4 weeks t-bills specifically
there are no equities to invest in right now. it makes zero sense to be buying into equities before a 10%+ market correction in the autumn
I will possibly buy some stocks mid October
right now we are at 19+x forward multiple going into a recession - stocks are not cheap - they will be
>but anon, the summer rally! why not just buy now, and sell before end of summer??
I don't pick up pennies in front of a steamroller

>> No.55513521

ppl who work in banks, what did you major in? please answer i am not a fed collectiing data

>> No.55513525

>>55513399
Pwned

>> No.55513537

>>55513445
you're obviously long the market since the value went up between april/may, yet you're here doom posting.

>money managers
waste of money

>> No.55513540

TMC price target just got doubled to 6$, mining regs look to be in place and I'm up 96k

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>>55513525
>Pwned

>> No.55513555

>>55512909
two more weeks fellow bears!

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surely the market will continue the downtrend from last week since there is absolutely no reason or news on why it should go up again and the market will NOT forget why it dumped last week and start a healthy correction, since thats the only logical outcome. RIGHT?!?!

>> No.55513564

>>55513540
So was your initial investment like 30k

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AJLT

>> No.55513565

>>55513537
>you're obviously long the market
Yeah - naturally net long - diversified across many assets and asset classes. Selling into strength over this summer, taking profits, accumulating cash. Long since September.
It is not time to be net short - but it will be, soon.
>money managers waste of money
You will learn, one day, hopefully.
Even a surgeon goes to another doctor for their treatment

>> No.55513568

>>55513556
It's earnings season and earnings are reflective of last quarter when large sections of the economy were opening up and the AI hype was at its peak, it's likely that a lot of major companies will beat expectations and drive the market up.

>> No.55513572 [DELETED] 

>>55513540
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>> No.55513589

>>55513565
>soon
October?

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>>55513556
Inflation is still high, profits are good, earnings soon (mostly beat bc low expectations), and most importantly FED will confirm this week that it has lost the fight against inflation and that core inflation will be high for at least another year (inflation is bullish for big stocks)

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>>55513566
>66
SOXL will never be under 23 ever again

>> No.55513595

>>55513568
Shit. Better go buy my $AAPL shares back.

>> No.55513598

>>55513554
>warcraft 3 was released 21 years ago

>> No.55513603

>>55513445
>money managers
lol. lmao. Don't forget to tip them.
>you will get there too, someday.
Glad you understand this, but somehow you still seem to have missed the point. Wealth naturally accrues over time for anyone intelligent enough to break the wheel of renting and wageslavery. Having 600k when you're 30 puts you in a significantly better financial position than having the same stack when you're 50+.
Of course, a lot of this comes down to luck. In the end I value process above all else. Your thesis is reasonable, but mostly backwards looking. The whole system of dollar denominated assets may be unsustainable, but every recent historical decision of congress and the Fed has consistently resulted in bailouts for asset holders at the expense of dollar holders. Why would they suddenly change that now?
This will continue until someday the whole country or laborers comes to the slow realization of this Sisyphean loop they're caught in earning a perpetually decaying currency. Someday the whole thing will inevitably explode, whether in inflationary spiral or an eternal depression. That day is not today, nor tomorrow.


>>55513475
I export the digital records. It's good to control your own data, but paper statements are just inevitable future shredding. Waste of my time.

>> No.55513602

>>55513568
so it will be:
"Well we were in full panic last week when we heard about 2 more rate hikes but actually its now priced in and we're getting new ATHs"

>> No.55513607

>>55513602
Yup, such is the market. Goldfish memory.

>> No.55513613

does anyone else put a fibonacci on the RSI and trade based off that?

>> No.55513616

the daily v-shaped recovery on the NASDAQ has been completed

>> No.55513618

>>55513520
Simple enough
Not exciting
YGMI

>> No.55513623

>>55513589
end of August probably time to start building, as September will not be pretty, expecting mid October climax, maybe into November
depends on the Fed bail out actions that will take place

>> No.55513624

CVNA is mooning yet again

>> No.55513625

so bill hader won... nice!

>> No.55513649

>>55513603
That's true about the inevitable shredding. Though It's become a fun ritual for my wife and I to burn our old records together. We have a circular weber grill on the back deck that we use

>> No.55513670

Finally after over 2 years....small cap stocks are healing and my portfolio might finally start to be unheemed

>> No.55513682
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LETS BOBO
>In Kawasaki, Japan, 31 Alpha VOC strains of SARS-CoV-2 were detected from human samples this May and June. The sequence is almost the same as that of the original Alpha. Together with the Delta VOC detected at the same time and place, lab leak near Kawasaki is highly likely


https://twitter.com/hkakeya/status/1678161916072546304

>> No.55513689

Hypothetically, if there were a recession within the next year, do you guys think that retail would be a good sector to invest in?

On one hand, it does seem reasonable to think that a slow economy means less spending across the board and thus retail (like many other sectors) will perform poorly. However, people need to purchase essential goods, regardless of market conditions... I'm torn. What does /smg/ think?

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I fucking caught that down swing just now and turned a -$750 day into a +$600 day

>> No.55513694

>>55512873
>drollanders

>> No.55513707

>>55513682
This is bullish, moron. The Fed will respond with trillions in QE if we have lockdowns again.
>inb4 inflation
Also bullish, you bobos lose in literally every scenario.

>> No.55513714

Buy Joby. This is your first and final warning.

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>>55513689
>People
>Spending less
What? Yeah ok spending might decrease by a BIT, but there is no way people won't take another loan just to get that new and shiny Iphone/iSamsung. And this extends to basically everything

>> No.55513720

>>55513707
>Inflation irrelevant
>earnings irrelevant
>bank failures irrelevant
>more old people than young people irrelevant
>sell button irrelevant

>> No.55513729

>>55513720
It is good you understand how this works.

>> No.55513737

>>55513689
>However, people need to purchase essential goods, regardless of market conditions
they're referred to as 'consumer staples', and there are ETFs (XLP, VDC) specific to that sector if you wanted somewhere to park money. personally i dont bother trying to rotate in and out of stuff

>> No.55513738

>>55513689
No absolutely not. Retail (I'm assuming you mean consumer discretionary XLY) will get crushed harder than other sectors by a mile. XLY is for economic growth, increasing consumption, increasing earnings.
If you do believe in a recession, you should be buying consumer staples (XLP) companies like MCD, CL, KO, PEP, PM, PG, COST etc - all of these companies and the sector has underperformed huge YTD due to market belief of "no landing" - no need to be buying recession stocks if there will be no recession
Healthcare is also good XLV (and has been getting punished, same with XLU (but XLU is a bit more difficult as you have to worry about interest rates a lot more)
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/stocks/08/industries-thrive-on-recession.asp

>> No.55513740

>>55513716
So people will take loans to purchase groceries, oil, fast food?

>> No.55513742

>>55513720
You get it, you'll make it.

>> No.55513756

>>55513689
>if there were a recession
in recession you buy companies with pricing power only

>> No.55513759

>>55513707
>if
lol, the next lock downs are like 2 weeks from now when the chinks invade the twinks and king Biden declares martial law after all the chinese that entered the country illegally under his watch start actively sabotaging the grid so we don't have any internets or electricities, and the price of food sky rockets to the point you can get a mother daughter blow job for a single can of spam.

>> No.55513763

Is the stock market even worth getting into anymore? Isn't the new one world government moving to the blockchain?

>> No.55513769

>>55513738
>>55513689
I also want to be clear, even in a recession, these stocks / sectors will go down too - the whole market will go down. But they will go down less compared to XLY, XLE, XLF, XLI, XLRE etc - they will outperform.
So if you truly believe in a recession, the best move can be to accumulate cash, invest in short dated bonds in the meantime, so when stock prices fall, you are ready to invest back in growth.

>> No.55513771

Trust the plan oilbros

>>55513763
lol lmao

>> No.55513774

>>55513759
I feel like spam already market's itself as a premium product these days

>> No.55513777

>>55513763
HFSP for real

>> No.55513779

>>55513616
Like when you're drawing bart Simpson's haircut almost

>> No.55513783

>>55513777
Explain?

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You're counter trend trading aren't you anon?

>> No.55513787

>>55513737
Well yeah the reason why I asked was because I was considering investing in consumer staple funds.

>>55513738
Yeah I was referring to staples, not discretionary.
>>55513769
>invest in short dated bonds in the meantime
I've begun doing so... Although I do admit that I'm investing across the curve and not just short term. I guess I'm just a bit nervous. I feel like we've been in a bubble for a long time.

>> No.55513788

>>55513716
Kek, spending less. I wish. Actually this year I've spent more than I have in quite awhile. Most of it was for shat that needed doing v.s "fun stuff" Not done yet either. One more thing on the "to do" list then I'm done for the year (I hope). The good bit about it all is I just got a pay hike and I had a good bit sitting in cash so that all helped.

>> No.55513792

>>55513783
>HFSP
"Have fun staying poor," anon

>> No.55513797

>>55513783
crypto has no value besides what anyone makes of it, but stocks have actual value as they're used as a metric for what people believe a company should be valued at based on its performance (usually). youre going to stay poor buying crypto because its literally meant to grift retards like you who think we're all gonna be living in some virtual reality nirvana. invest in stocks now or perish and die poor. no one is going to sit you down and tell you this, so i will be that guy.

>> No.55513801

>>55513786
being a contrarian bankrupts so many anons. Just look at the state of this general.

>> No.55513816 [DELETED] 

>>55513797
>crypto has no value
if crypto has no value, then niggers must have negative value, since they make everything worse

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>>55513801
agreed

>> No.55513828

>>55513797
>stocks have actual value as they're used as a metric for what people believe a company should be valued at based on its performance (usually).
I hate getting into crypto discussions on this board (in fact I try to avoid any kind of discussion here outside of certain generals) but the scam projects you see here are not representative to the real value of the Blockchain economy.

For example, organisations such as Maker, Uniswap and Aave absolutely have value, and that value is based on the services they offer, the research that goes into their design and the welfare they generate to its stakeholders. It's just that 99% of this board is retarded and you often see the worse examples of crypto projects here.

>> No.55513829

>>55513816
black people bring value to the gdp via their labor. you however jerk off to anime. what does that make you, nigger?

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>>55513740
Take my country for example. Absolute shit tier currency that has devalued as hell against all major currencies. You would think people would travel abroad less and less right? No, it has frickin increased.
People are taking loans to all those things and more since they have huge fuckin mortgages to deal with.
Fast food has become ridiculously expensive (wtaf $15 for a burger? Is this for real?) and yet people are consooming more than ever.
Don't even get me started on food. Don't underestimate the normie, son

>> No.55513834

>>55513797
So, should I be shorting stocks because everything is about to implode or should I take long positions?

>> No.55513836

They don't know about NVAX. Lol. They won't listen.


Or will they.

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>>55513816
Everything?

>> No.55513842

>>55513834
yes

>> No.55513848

Bull run alert

>> No.55513850

The Canada deal. It's not what it seems to be.

>> No.55513851

>>55512877
It's funny, because I remember losers pointing to the myth of 1950's America as if it was some great revelation we all need to see. Like people didn't know.

"It's not real!"

Oh, you mean life isn't really like Leave it to Beaver? Thanks for that insight, nitwit.

Generations of short people, ugly people, weirdos, misfits, loser table geeks, getting their revenge on the Internets.

"I can't be a real boy so fuck all of you!"

>> No.55513858

>>55513834
short everything if you wanna lose your money
>>55513828
still no value anon, its a farce meant to take your money

>> No.55513859

>>55513831
I was being sarcastic. I specifically states "essential goods" in my post. Not iPhones or leisure.

>> No.55513862

Bear run alert

>> No.55513865

>>55513862
Bull Run alert, 2 beats 1

>> No.55513866

>>55513783
If you want to build long term wealth, your best course of action is to invest in solid businesses with sustainable cashflows, such that over an extended timeframe you will perhaps achieve a real return on your investment.
Bitcoin has no yield. Crypto has no yield. Gold and silver have no yield.

>> No.55513868

Why Did They Revise The NVAX Canada Contract.

>> No.55513875

>>55513868
to egg on the retarded bobos

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>>55513859
Retail... nowadays that kind of encompasses everything right? I mean, the last time I was in Walmart, they were selling literally everything. But that was back in 2015 so who knows.
Yeah, essential non-durable goods might take a bit of a hit but then again they could simply raise prices as a way to compensate (and of course overcompensate) so who knows?

>> No.55513887 [DELETED] 

>>55513829
>black people bring value to the gdp via their labor
lets say we cut all nigger subsidies so we don't include any section 8 housing or ebt benefits, would their contributions to the gdp offset their year over year property destruction numbers?

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my anova precision combi oven just broke. bearish for my ciabattas

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>>55513875
They. I'm Talking About The Canadian Government. They. Not NVAX.

I'm Talking About The Feds. They Revised The Contract. Look Where They Revised It.

Read This. There Are Skeletons Hidden In The Closet. But Nobody Read Anything. They Don't Look For The Skeletons. In The Closet.

>> No.55513894

>>55513828
>>55513783

I should also say that despite this, I'm not advocating for investing in crypto if you want to build wealth/invest. You're better off investing in ETFs

>> No.55513921

>>55513887
lol you 100% are a failure who lives with his mom. look up the racial statistics of welfare recipients. im pretty sure theres a larger percentage of white people than blacks who are on EBT, given the population statistics of the nation as a whole. you probably make less than 30/hr and are blaming societies problems on someone instead of your own problems on yourself. have a good day! :)

>> No.55513922

>>55513894
This has been helpful. Thank you

>> No.55513926

>>55512924
just don't fucking dance

>> No.55513942

>>55512894
i turn $100 into about 2-3k each year. i liquidate, and go on vacation. this is my 7th time. im not selling again.

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Any reason to buy something like BIL vs. just buying bills directly from the treasury, or through your broker?

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>>55512894
Happens when you buy meme stocks.

>> No.55513950

FAANGcels, not like this...

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>>55513945
You don't have to hold bil to maturity like the t-bills themselves, so if there's a dip with bil you can exit and buy same day.

>> No.55513961

>>55512909
>>55513005
>wants me to short BOA
sorry bro im long NIGGR in america. The only protected class with unlimited gibs, all from BoA.

>> No.55513967

>>55513921
I own a business that did almost 40 million in sales last year, while you're always going to be a nigger.

>> No.55513977

>>55513967
keep larping, or sorry your wife left you, shes happier now tho

>> No.55513978

So, guys, what is the vix saying? are the tigers hidden? what about birds and the chirping thing?

>> No.55513986

>>55513955
Hadn't considered that, thanks anon. Just looking to park some cash for a few months.

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>>55513978

>> No.55514014

>>55513978
>are the tigers hidden? what about birds and the chirping thing?
wtf is this meme?

>> No.55514016

are we gonna get a soxl reversal again?

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HELLO SIRS. Just bought some NDAQ calls and some NTLA. What else should I buy

>> No.55514029

>>55514016
No. I've concluded after several weeks of watching pure crabbing that I am retarded for expecting this market to do literally anything. So no.

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>>55513986
who's your broker? some offer fed funds rate apy on unused cash already, rh gold and ibkr match. I guess i should also say with bil the apy comems in form of dividend.

>> No.55514033

buy calls the market is going to turbo pump, you have been warned.

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>Bonjour

>> No.55514037

Fact: Some uneducated shitstain boomer could buy a house, a car and support a family with his shit tier profession in the 1950s.
Fact: A couple with both husband and wife working full time can't afford even a fraction of that in 2023.

It's a as simple as that.

>> No.55514046

>>55514016
SOXS will continue its journey to 0 taking me along for the ride

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>>55514033
They don't want to listen.

>> No.55514048

>>55514038
why are you always so late

>> No.55514061 [DELETED] 

>>55514037
This is because we had a bunch of democrats who printed a fuck ton more money to buy the votes of lazy niggers through government subsidies.

>> No.55514074

When do I sell my IEP? Will they bounce back to 40 now?

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>>55514047
im not even joking. its the exponential dampening you see! the patterns the numbers. they talk to me, they tell me things. cpi/ppi gonna come in 0.1% cool and then we pump for another month vertical till nvda earnings

>> No.55514084

>>55514037
But did he have porn hub or anime? Why even bother to live in the 50s

>> No.55514101

>>55514037
True but he has a point >>55514084

>> No.55514102

>>55514030
No such luck. I trade in my Roth IRA through TDA.

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>>55514074
>https://hindenburgresearch.com/icahn/
go for it

>> No.55514105

NVAX. Look.

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>>55514102
yeah i have tda also, they only give you 0.85%, bil is what ya want.

>> No.55514127

I submitted a request for tier 3 options in Fidelity more than a week ago. It didn't take long at all to get approved for tier 1 options. Is this normal?

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>>55514127

>> No.55514139

>>55514127
No idea about Fidelity but I got instant approval to Tier 3 when I submitted my stuff for TD. Fucking idiots.

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>>55514112

>> No.55514181

>>55514103
Go for what? 40? Ok. I hold a bit more. I think there is a possibility for short squeeze.

>> No.55514192

>>55514127
Fidelity benefits from you actually having money, so they'd rather you not use options

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>>55514181
it's squeezing rn, 40 solid pt.

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where are my RIVN chads at

>> No.55514208

>>55513866
why wouldnt you start your own business vs investing in one? What if you dont have the capital to invest directly into a business? asking for our poor anons.

>> No.55514213

>>55514074
Whenever you want. I sold awhile ago.
Hard to say what games they play from here, but objectively it's pretty overvalued again above $30. Basically at this point you're just betting on a squeeze as Hindenburg unwinds, but since Icahn has also announced closing his own margin positions against the equity over the next few years, there's no longer any benefit on his end to float the overvaluation via personally accepting in-kind distributions going forward.

So from a fundamental perspective, if you like the assets you're better off swapping over and buying CVI/UAN/XRX/VKSC/etc directly.

>> No.55514217

>>55514037
>just work harder bro

>> No.55514237

>>55513292
Lmfao I expected you to say gold and silver. In any case fuck you retard. If you come to me in shame in the next 5 years we can work on a public announcement of your retardation together and I will remunerate you with a small 5 figure payment for the pleasure.

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>>55514037
Considering your insanely high salaries and low taxes in the US, you guys should easily afford a house within 10 years of working. Here (Northern Europe), more than 60% of your money disappears in taxes and the more you earn, the higher the tax percentage becomes.
Unless you happen to be born into a rich family, say goodbye to living debt-free.
And well, this guy is correct >>55514084

>> No.55514266

>>55514213
What about the div/return?

>> No.55514267

>>55514208
>why wouldnt you start your own business vs investing in one?
Different level of effort. Starting a business is a massive active undertaking. It's labor. It may or may not ever pay off.
And you're putting all your time/effort into that single venture. Through passive investing you can diversify and reduce risks.

I'm not saying that starting a business is necessarily a bad idea, but it's not really comparable.

>> No.55514282

we pump

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so are stocks ever going up from here or was that it? generational top?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge7TgXpxXqY

>> No.55514338

>>55514287
That was it
It’s over
But that doesn’t mean you can’t make MONEY

>> No.55514341

uh.... wtfwt

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>>55514295

>> No.55514351

>>55514295
how long does a dj take to create 1 song ?

>> No.55514357

Is selling calls on stocks with a large dividend with an impending ex-dividend date a good strategy? For example, ABBV has a dividend of $1.48 an ex-div date of Jul. 13. It is trading at $135.12 and the $135 July 14 expiration calls are trading at $0.94.

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JFC!!!!! WTFWT!!!!

>> No.55514368

as soon as a i bought NQ calls the fucking nascuck absolutely SHITS ITSELF> FUCKKKKKKK YOIU

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>>55513888
Suffering

>> No.55514376

>>55514357
yeah its free money strategy that no one ever thought of, including the option market makers

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>>55514368
You'll get the next one.

>> No.55514396

The crash is beginning. Everyone can feel it.

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>>55514396
Buy the dip coward.

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>>55514412
>you'll cowards

>> No.55514436

There era of the Russel is upon us. Praise be the small cap stocks for they will inherit the market.

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fucking heebs are shaking out the paper hands now before they facemelt goyim on wed. fucking TELEGRAPHED MOVES KIKES. NECK YOURSELVES

>> No.55514442

>>55514436
russell is the ugly girl you turn to once you are rejected

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>megacaps

>> No.55514465

I shorted QQQ at 370

>> No.55514472

>>55514357
Usually they'll get exercised the day before ex-div, earning less premium than you probably thought you'd get.

>ABBV has a dividend of $1.48 an ex-div date of Jul. 13. It is trading at $135.12 and the $135 July 14 expiration calls are trading at $0.94.
So instead you kind of have to look at this option as a Jul 12th $135 call for $0.94, or a $0.82 premium, although there's still residual value if it doesn't get exercised. The implied secondary option being the value of the chance that it rebounds past $135 between the 13th and 14th.
MMs hedge these ex-div options with puts, and there tends to be a wide spread between the pricing of calls vs puts that essentially accounts for the entire value of the dividend.

Sometimes you get mispricings though, especially when the dividend size/timing is not known ahead of time. Sometimes you simply luck out, and your counterparty is some uninformed investor that doesn't realize it's optimal to exercise and collect the dividend.
Sometimes, regardless of pricing efficiency, it's still worth making the play because you believe downside risk is low and you're collecting a premium regardless.

>> No.55514478

lol of course were due for another crash only after I purchased long positions after waiting for months :)

looks like were about to fall off a cliff again, sweet

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>>55514478
The Bogle frowns upon your attempts to time the market.

>> No.55514491

>>55513299
who would want it ?

>> No.55514499

HIGHER INTEREST RATES

>> No.55514508

>>55514472
Thanks, I will try to make sure my call is out of the money before the day before ex-div so my underlying shares don't get called.

>> No.55514513

>>55514499
rates were relevant last week, now its all earnings reports etc.
as posted above, we're going higher

>> No.55514519

>VVIX

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>>55514519
cool

>> No.55514540

>>55514513
The market will take a fat shit this week and you're nuts.

>> No.55514552

>>55514519
vol about to shit itself to death soon again. it will spike in the next 2-3 days and then die completely again

>> No.55514554

>>55514267
thank you for the clarification. other than stocks, how would one invest in a business? are there brokers? do i just go up to the business and ask to invest?

>> No.55514568

i cant make money in such a boring homosexual market. this crabbing makes me want to rope

>> No.55514577
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>>55514568
sell options

>> No.55514607

almost never get a reply on this board cuz its all shills and crypto fags, but here goes...

I took a 75% profit on CC (Chemours) and looking for new investments. Thoughts on the following good dividend stocks that are down right now?:

MMM
DUK

Also, I own a shit ton of LTBR and it is finally a little above my break even any thoughts on that or NuCore?

Any opinions on IEP? I had been slowly accumulating and DRIPping so had 500+ shares last spring when the shorts colluded and lost half my value in a week. Bought 250 more at 20 and now it is ~$34 so between that and the >$1000 dividend 2 weeks ago, I have regained most of my losses, but wondering do I continue to hold and DRIP or get out.


Lastly, is there a sell price for Apple? Over the past 20+ years, I have bought and sold it for handsome profits, but missed at least 50% of the appreciation by being out of it. Like right now, I bought 100 shares at about $140 and am holding. would be about a 34% gain so not too bad, but last week would have been 38% gain. IDK, is it just a hold forever stock?

>> No.55514619

>>55512894
>if you invested in the global economy you'd be up 6.46% and not down 70%
fucking stock picking piggies

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>>55514607
iep is a trap
aapl forever hold
mmm not low enough
energy always good

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https://youtu.be/45V5xj_AHA0
thread theme

>> No.55514693

>>55514628
Nothing wrong with some reparations.

>> No.55514704

>>55514607
>MMM
wait till below 90
>DUK
anywhere below 90

you got an answer - not financial advice

>> No.55514723

>>55514628
At what price is MMM a buy? It is like 6.2% Dividend right now and prob going to raise it a tiny bit again next month. I've been buying like 5 shares on the dips below 100, but thinking of buying like 100-200 shares and pick up the $300-600 every quarter.

Also, explain the IEP trap to me like I am a 12 year old. It is obvious that the dividends are paid not on actual corporate profits, but by sales of assets, which would be a problem if every component was a fully mature dinosaur corporation (like 3M), but if the corporations are growing then selling the growth is somewhat sustainable, right? What am I missing? Other than Carl being 87 years old.

Isn't the questions whether the underlying assets are worth the valuation?

>> No.55514734

>>55514704
Thanks.

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Market is too crabby. I want further and additional red.
I am taking care of my neighbor's dog this morning. Is chinese crested rat thing. Same breed as most ugly dog in world. Looks like an chihuahua but chinese. Neurotic behaviour. I am not convinced it has a brain. More of some kind of Rube Goldberg contraption inside it's head running the physical operations.

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>>55514568
Forex options

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>>55514737
16 days until Jerome opens his big fat mouth.

>> No.55514792

>>55514440
What are you predicting on wednesday? Up or down.

>> No.55514809

>>55514792
up simply because the dems are satanic paedophiles.

>> No.55514821

>subbed to this one asmr channel of a young girl that would make asmr videos
>watch over the years as she gets older she looks less and less innocent and takes on more disgusting whorish looks

This must be what fathers feel and go through. It's heartbreaking honestly.

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>>55514295
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wvue2OT-FA

>> No.55514837

>>55514821
I watch VTubers and one turned into a whore after she grew rapidly. Yet, Projekt Melody even though she's a lewdtuber is incredibly wholesome and less of a whore compared to others. It's a pretty strange phenomenon.

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>>55512894
I’ve been holding sqqq for 4 months now.

>> No.55514854

>QQQ crabbing while FAGMAT dumping
Can't explain that.

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>>55514853
Why? When btfp was created it was time to leave.

>> No.55514869

>>55513334
How do non burgers profit from this?

>> No.55514896

>>55514868
Because I don’t want to lose and I’m hoping for tech to crash heavily

>> No.55514900

NIGGER

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>>55514896
Sunk cost fallacy, it's gonna be a long wait anon. There's better ways to get short exposure.

>> No.55514915

>>55514900
say it to my face honky

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>>55514915
sure give me your phone number

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>>55514913
If we look at the business cycle we’re still at the peak. Whose buying tech products or services now? It’s all gay and I’m pissed that my correct bet gets shit on heavily.

>> No.55514947

>>55514934
Is this black friday?

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>>55514939
Let me know when you go green.

>> No.55514969

>>55514934
why don't you give me your momma's phone # then you can come see me tonight eggplant eggplant eggplant wink

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>>55514934

>> No.55514986

>>55514207
I’m here anon

>> No.55514991

>>55514958
>Recovery
>Expansion
>Peak <<<WE ARE HERE NOW>>>
>Contraction
>Bottoming
AI is fake, AI is gay.

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>>55514991
glhf fren

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>>55514984
What are all those lunchtime rowdies up to down there?

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Schizoid market

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>>55515009
>>55515009
>>55515009

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>>55514991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-DgIU4E9Mo

>> No.55515173

>>55514014
Beware the crouching tigers

>> No.55515391

>high volume dump confirming trend is bad
>low volume bots buy up the dip
What's the point in volume trading or anything if some retard forgot to turn off his hedge fund's bots. What a nigger joke of a market.

>> No.55515615

>>55515391
that "retard" is the Fed.