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55233032 No.55233032 [Reply] [Original]

Crypto absolutely BTFO. Gensler is on to your bitcon. The party ends now!

>> No.55233037

>>55233032

what does this have to do with chainlink

>> No.55233053
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55233053

Well. He isn't wrong.

>> No.55233066

>>55233037
SHUT UP NIGGER

>> No.55233081

>>55233037
Chainshit is an unregistered security

>> No.55233122

>>55233032
agent milton

>> No.55233163

>>55233032
He is right though even if he is a kike.

>> No.55233172
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>>55233032
Gensler is working with Satoshi to take all these criminals down. You should have listened.

>> No.55233184

>>55233163
If he's concerned he should seize sbf's funds and return them to his customers.
If he does not do this, he is not concerned.
Actions speak louder than words.
The law must be applied non-arbitrarily or it is simply anarchy.

>> No.55233189

>>55233053
But he is neither right. It is just the Americans afraid losing the deal that Nixon made back in the day, that got fucked up by a Chicago puppet that didn't want to lose his crack addicted sons personal grift country. Proof Of Work, all that matters for the next 40 years

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55233216

>>55233032
(((Gensler)))

>> No.55233262

why does he never mention FTX? at least as an example?

>> No.55233311

>>55233053
>not be allowed to undermine the well-earned trust
>well-earned
are you dense?
>>55233262
knower. apparently he also courted binance back in 2019 - crypto conversations over lunch in japan, Gensler even shared his congressional testimony ahead of time with CZ.

>> No.55234954

Imagine thinking Bitcoin can be killed. Did you jpmasons not learn anything. We are going to hang you from the window crosses of your offices

>> No.55234966

>>55233216
Why aren't they hiding themselves better?

>> No.55234969

>>55233032
> Reminiscent of what we had in the 1920s
So exploit the hell out of it to make it or your family will starve, cool thanks fedboy

>> No.55234997

>>55233311
>Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a manlet scorned.

>> No.55235025

>>55234966
All they can really do is double down over and over and over

>> No.55235037

>>55233081
>t. bought xrp and ada

>> No.55235108

>>55233032
he's unironically right
but retards deserve to lose capital for being retards

>> No.55235155

crypto is a scam, only retards don't know this

>> No.55235198

>>55235155
Hey agent. Less of a scam than usd, at least pow like btc

>> No.55235244
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55235244

There's a lot of scam in crypto, but not all are bad. Gensler is just protecting his banker mates. It's not hard to work out. I guess we see what happens after June 13th.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/us-financial-services-committee-sets-date-to-discuss-future-of-crypto

>> No.55235316

>>55235244
Not protect. If he doesn't go after eth, then the banking cartel is really afraid and it's not about protecting his banking bodies but protecting their largely failed extremely cost intensive attack on bitcoin, because they see their play fail

>> No.55235395

>>55235316
I doubt they will go after eth, there's a reason why eths competitors get sued. Hopefully after the hearing they will create and new agency to take care of crypto.

>> No.55235409

Yeah I see the timing... You need to not post on this board anymore meth heads. The grift dies naturally and there is no fiat to be made with meth scams on here anymore

>> No.55236027

>>55233032
99.9999% of crypto absolutely is and the 0.0001% that isn't doesn't want to identify as crypto

>> No.55236042
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55236042

SEC v. Crypto
“A decent rule of thumb,” I wrote in March, “is that all cryptocurrency exchanges are doing crimes, and if you’re lucky your exchange is doing only process crimes.” Like:

1. Is your exchange operating an illegal securities exchange in the US? Yes! Yes it is! The view of the US Securities and Exchange Commission, at least, is that every crypto exchange in the US is illegal. You might disagree — plenty of crypto exchange executives disagree, and we will talk more about the arguments below — but realistically, if you are trading crypto, you simply cannot be too squeamish about strict adherence to US securities law.
2. Is your exchange stealing all of its customers’ money? It might be! Some are! Others are not! This is the one you should mostly care about, if you are a customer.

These things are not especially correlated because, again, every crypto exchange is violating US securities law. “Oooh I shouldn’t trust my money to those guys because they are violating US law”: Sure, yes, a reasonable position that would save you from a lot of crypto disasters, but also one that would prevent you from trading crypto entirely. Your choice!

I am overstating all of this but not by much, man, not by much.

>> No.55236047

>>55236042
Yesterday the SEC sued Binance, the biggest global crypto exchange, and its founder Changpeng Zhao, for operating an illegal securities exchange. Today the SEC sued Coinbase Inc., the biggest US crypto exchange, for operating an illegal securities exchange.

There are basically two ways for a crypto exchange to get in trouble with the SEC. The good way is that you get in trouble for running an illegal securities exchange. In April, the SEC sued Bittrex Inc. for allegedly operating an illegal securities exchange; any reasonable reading of the Bittrex case made it clear that similar cases were coming against Coinbase and Binance. Just being a crypto exchange in the US is, in the SEC’s eyes, illegal.

The bad way is that you get in trouble for stealing all the money. Last December, the SEC sued FTX Trading Ltd., a big crypto exchange. Here is the SEC’s complaint against FTX. I am absolutely certain that the SEC thinks that FTX operated an illegal securities exchange in the US. But that does not even come up in the complaint. There is too much else going on. FTX allegedly stole all the money! When an exchange steals all the money, the SEC focuses on that. When it doesn’t steal all the money, the SEC focuses on the illegal securities exchange stuff.

>> No.55236059

>>55236047
And so one question about this week’s cases is: Is the SEC suing Coinbase and Binance for being crypto exchanges, or for being bad crypto exchanges? Is the claim here “you let people trade crypto, which we think is illegal,” or is it “you let people trade crypto and steal their money”?

With Coinbase, I think the answer is obvious. Coinbase is, as crypto exchanges go, quite law-abiding. It is a US public company, incorporated in Delaware, listed on the Nasdaq. It went public in a direct listing in 2021, filing extensive disclosures with the SEC. Its financial statements are audited by Deloitte & Touche. Its business model seems to consist of taking money from customers, using the money to buy crypto, and keeping the crypto somewhere safe with the customers’ names on it. I hesitate to make any bold claims about any crypto actors, and I have been wrong before, but it is my impression that Coinbase does not steal the money.

And in fact the SEC’s complaint against Coinbase is very dry and focused entirely on the fact that Coinbase did not register as a securities exchange. Again, in the SEC’s view, every crypto exchange is violating US securities law. But Coinbase is doing so politely and, relatively speaking, harmlessly. Not totally harmlessly — “Coinbase’s failure to register has deprived investors of significant protections, including inspection by the SEC, recordkeeping requirements, and safeguards against conflicts of interest,” says the SEC — but relatively.

>> No.55236067

>>55233032
But he's right. Almost everything in crypto is a scam. Binance lists shitcoins every day that they know are shitcoins that will pump and dump on the morons who buy them.

>> No.55236069

>>55236059
With Binance, the answer is more interesting. Binance is, as crypto exchanges go, sort of an average amount of law-abiding? It is notoriously opaque, headquartered nowhere, a web of confusing entities designed to avoid regulation. (The SEC quotes its chief compliance officer saying, in 2018, “we do not want [Binance].com to be regulated ever.”) Like FTX, it has its own token, called BNB; it has its own affiliated trading firms; it has separate platforms for US customers (Binance.us) and for the rest of the world (Binance.com). It was sued by the US Commodity Futures Trading Commission in March, mostly for letting big US customers (high-frequency market makers like Jane Street and Tower Research) trade on its Binance.com exchange through their offshore affiliates, though there are not zero mentions of terrorist financing in the CFTC complaint.

>> No.55236079

>>55233037
Kek

>> No.55236090

>>55236069
And similarly the SEC’s complaint against Binance includes some claims that Binance was doing bad stuff. Binance has some affiliated market makers — firms including Sigma Chain AG and Merit Peak Ltd. that are allegedly controlled by Zhao and that traded on Binance.com and Binance.us — and the SEC hints that they got up to shady stuff:

>For example, by 2021, at least $145 million was transferred from BAM Trading [i.e. Binance.us] to a Sigma Chain account, and another $45 million of funds were transferred from BAM Trading’s Trust Company B account to the Sigma Chain account. From this account, Sigma Chain spent $11 million to purchase a yacht.

And:

>From at least September 2019 until June 2022, Sigma Chain AG (“Sigma Chain”), a trading firm owned and controlled by Zhao, engaged in wash trading that artificially inflated the trading volume of crypto asset securities on the Binance.US Platform.

And more generally:

>The SEC also alleges that Zhao and Binance exercise control of the platforms’ customers’ assets, permitting them to commingle customer assets or divert customer assets as they please, including to an entity Zhao owned and controlled called Sigma Chain.

>> No.55236100

>>55236090
But the SEC does not dwell much on these claims, [1] and for the most part the Binance complaint is the same as the Coinbase complaint: Binance is accused of operating a crypto exchange that was open to US customers and that listed crypto tokens that are securities, without registering as a US securities exchange. I am tempted to read yesterday’s lawsuit as kind of an endorsement of Binance by the SEC. The SEC, and before it the CFTC, investigated Binance carefully and wrote a 136-page complaint about every bad thing it could find, and all it could find is that Binance is running a crypto exchange.

Still, while the arguments in the two complaints are mostly the same, Coinbase’s and Binance’s attitudes are very different. The key legal question, which we’ll discuss below, is whether the crypto tokens listed on Binance and Coinbase are securities. If they are securities, then probably Coinbase and Binance (and Bittrex and everyone else) are operating illegal securities exchanges; if they are not securities then everything’s fine.

>> No.55236113

>>55233032
It's a good thing. Most of cryptocurrency is security, especially one that offers fixed 5-10% APY via staking. That's the definition of security by textbook. I want to see Coinbase delisting shitload of tokens in the next few days.

>> No.55236126

>>55236100
Coinbase recognized that this was a potential risk, and set up committees and procedures to ponder and mitigate it. From the SEC’s Coinbase complaint:

>Recognizing that at least certain crypto assets were being offered, sold, and otherwise distributed by an identifiable group of persons or promoters, in or around September 2018, Coinbase publicly released the “Coinbase Crypto Asset Framework,” which included a listing application form for crypto asset issuers and promoters seeking to make their crypto assets available on the Coinbase Platform.

>Coinbase’s listing application required issuers and promoters to provide information about their crypto assets and blockchain projects. It specifically included requests for information relevant to a Howey analysis of the crypto asset. …

>Additionally, in or around September 2019, Coinbase and other crypto asset businesses founded the Crypto Rating Council (“CRC”). The CRC subsequently released a framework for analyzing crypto assets that “distilled a set of yes or no questions which are designed to plainly address each of the four Howey test factors” and assigned to the crypto asset a score ranging from 1 to 5, with a score of 1 indicating that an “asset has few or no characteristics consistent with treatment as an investment contract,” and a score of 5 meaning that an “asset has many characteristics strongly consistent with treatment as a security.”

>In announcing the CRC’s creation, Coinbase stated, “[a]lthough the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission has issued helpful guidance, whether any given crypto asset is a security ultimately requires a fact-intensive analysis.”

>> No.55236145

>>55236126
Very responsible, though the SEC disagrees with Coinbase’s conclusions and has quibbles with the process:

>Between late 2019 and the end of 2020, Coinbase more than doubled the number of crypto assets available for trading on the Coinbase Platform, and it more than doubled that number again in 2021. During this period, Coinbase made available on the Coinbase Platform crypto assets with high “risk” scores under the CRC framework it had adopted. In other words, to realize exponential growth of the Coinbase Platform and boost its own trading profits, Coinbase made the strategic business decision to add crypto assets to the Coinbase Platform even where it recognized the crypto assets had the characteristics of securities.

>> No.55236153

>>55236145
Meanwhile here is how Binance’s wonderful chief compliance officer described his fact-intensive analysis of whether Binance listed security tokens in the US:

>As Binance’s CCO bluntly admitted to another Binance compliance officer in December 2018, “we are operating as a fking unlicensed securities exchange in the USA bro.”

Just a much clearer perspective! Coinbase hired a lot of lawyers and did a lot of analysis and wrote a lot of checklists to convince itself that it was legally running a crypto exchange in the US. Binance was like “well obviously this is illegal in the US, ah well.” The SEC absolutely agrees with Binance.

This might work out well for Coinbase: It might be able to go to court and portray itself as a good actor who tried to follow the law, while Binance looks like a bad actor who tried to ignore the law; Coinbase might win against the SEC and Binance might lose. But I have to say that, so far, Binance’s approach seems smarter. (Though obviously don’t put it in writing, etc.) Binance noticed that it's illegal to run a crypto exchange in the US, and did it anyway, but minimized and compartmentalized its US exposure: It has relatively few US customers and seems to keep most of its business out of the US. Coinbase went all-in on the possibility of running a legal and regulatorily compliant crypto exchange in the US, and now the SEC has said that that’s impossible. If the SEC is right, what is left for Coinbase?

>> No.55236181

>>55233032
Gensler has stated for years Bitcoin is the only digital commodity.

Nice try shitcoiner faggot. Say goodbye to your worthless shit tokens tho.

>> No.55236186

>>55233037
Chainlink is an illegal security. One of the worst premined scamcoins in this cesspit.

>> No.55236262

>>55236042
>>55236047
>>55236059
all this shit on the false premise that secondary sales of crypto assets are securities (they're not). The SEC has conceded this court, and has only ever shown that ICOs or similar, where devs take money before the real tokens or chain even exist, are securities, not secondary sales of tokens that have utility value.

These suites are last ditch efforts to smear crypto and they'll take years until the SEC "wins" on some minor detail like staking as a service or something. Just exchanges crypto will never be illegal its just the new FUD we'll be hearing for the next few years.

>> No.55236340

ok everyone
i see the pattern now
if pricks like him appear saying shit like this its a bottom signal
what is the top signal? tell me pls

>> No.55236371

>>55236262
Yeah, but in the meantime the SEC will drain liquidity from crypto by shadow banning the exchanges from banking services and without fiat on and off ramps crypto is dead. So in the end it does not matter at all if the SEC wins anything in court when the one they are suing are long bankrupt. And remember, there is no remedy against a government agency frivolous lawsuit, they are exempt from any liability by law. So even if they lose they win.

>> No.55236418

>>55236371
SEC has no power to do that lol. The entire biden admin incl. the treasury has been trying to cut off crypto for years now and only partially succeeded, they took out silvergate's SEN, and played wack a mole taking out certain exchange's ACH transfers, but in the end they have really no ability to stop individual wires and.credit card payments.

>> No.55236432

>>55233032
Don't care not selling

>> No.55236442
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>>55233032
can someone explain to me what's the big deal if crypto gets declared as securities?

>> No.55236453

>>55236432
Seems kinda dumb to hold on to worthless fake internet money now that the feds are shutting down your scam.

>> No.55236464

>>55236418
All thet have to do is ask banks to stop enabling criminals. Do you think they will not comply? Remember "terrorism financing"? Reckon anyone was actually convicted of being a terrorist before their bank accounts were frozen? Or more recently "domestic terrorism"? All it takes for you to get fucked is being accused, nobody gives two fucks about your legal rights, everyone just covers their own ass.

>> No.55236534

>>55236464
Completely differemt. First, SEC are civil suites, not criminal, and they aren't even found liable let. If.you sent money to a sanctioned person that's actually a crime YOU, the account holder, committed. Payments to a crypto exchange are 100% fully legal, regardless of some civil suites ongoing. They can't just block those so easy.

>> No.55236570

>>55236153
Okay let’s discuss the basic theory of the SEC’s case here, which we previously discussed when the SEC sued Bittrex:

1. If you run an exchange that offers securities trading in the US, you need to register it as a securities exchange with the SEC.
2. Binance and Coinbase offer trading of crypto tokens that are securities.
3. They did not register their US exchanges as securities exchanges. [2]
4. Bad!

Point 1 is a bit more nuanced than that; there are, for instance, stock trading venues that are not registered as securities exchanges, though they are registered with the SEC under other rules. But from the SEC’s perspective the important thing here is that the rules for securities exchanges are designed to protect investors. In particular, they tend to require a separation of three key functions — the exchange that matches buyers and sellers, the broker-dealer that trades on the exchange on behalf of customers, and the clearinghouse that actually moves the money and securities — that are usually combined in crypto. In the stock market, you go to Robinhood’s website to put in an order to buy stock on the New York Stock Exchange, [3] and the Depository Trust Co. keeps custody of the stock and settles the trade. In the crypto market, you go to Coinbase’s website to put in an order to buy crypto on Coinbase, and Coinbase keeps custody of the crypto and settles the trade.

>> No.55236576

>>55236570
But the main point here is Point 3: Are crypto tokens securities? [4] The SEC’s basic view is that most crypto tokens — not all of them, not Bitcoin, but most of them — are securities under US law. Coinbase’s view, certainly, is that lots of them aren’t. The particular question at issue here is whether a list of popular crypto tokens — the SEC cites a bunch including Solana’s SOL token, Cardano’s ADA, Polygon’s MATIC, Filecoin’s FIL, Decentraland’s MANA, Algorand’s ALGO, Axie Infinity’s AXS and Voyager Digital’s VGX — that were listed on Binance and/or Coinbase are securities. [5]

The US securities laws define a “security” to include, among other things, any “stock,” “certificate of interest or participation in any profit-sharing agreement,” “preorganization certificate or subscription,” “transferable share, investment contract, [or] voting-trust certificate.”

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55236597

Just bought another BTC, safe and sound in cold storage.

>> No.55236612

>>55236597
So what are you going to do when you need to convert it into real money?

>> No.55236618

>>55236570
"crypto tokens" themselves are never securities because they have no contractual meaning. Thr SEC is trying to argue the way they might be offered to customers are "crypto asset securities" that is, binance having a stock-like ticker, stock-like price feed and price chart, making no distinction between invesentment and personal use, etc. makes that a security even if the underlying crypto asset isn't.

IMO its a prelude to wanting to push for purchase limits, aka capital controls to prevent capital flight to crypto, but it will be sold as a limit to only allow people to buy an amount that would be reasonably needed for non-investment, utility use.

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>>55236153
>we are operating as a fking unlicensed securities exchange in the USA bro
Based.

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>>55236612
>So what are you going to do when you need to convert it into real money?
I'd use a dex or an atomic swap if I wanted to convert it to Real Money (XMR)

>> No.55236663

>>55236442
Sellers, buyers, middlemen will all need to comply with securities laws.
The regulatory process which aids to upheld the law is lengthy and expensive.

>> No.55236669

>>55236659
So you will use a fake exchange to convert it to different fake money that you still wont be able to use.

>> No.55236681

>>55236618
>they have no contractual meaning
wat

>> No.55236697

>>55236669
>convert it to different fake money
When did I say I'd trade it for fiat funny money? Only one of us holds worthless statist toilet paper, faggot

>> No.55236712

>>55236697
I can use my real fiat money to buy real goods at my local real grocery store. Try to do that with your bitcon or... lol XMR.

>> No.55236716

>>55236712
good goy

>> No.55236750

>>55236681
A crypto token legally entitles you to nothing, and on one owes you anything. While a security is an arangment with someone. A crypto token may have meaning withing a decentralized protocol but that is like commodities which may have naturally utility.

>> No.55236776

Bullish for ccip

>> No.55236801
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>>55236712
>keeps his money in a centralized shitcoin that's been rugging non-stop since the 60s
State/oligarchs main means of control stems through Fed funny money, they can't meaningfully control the economy, only influence it through fiat fuckery. Reduce your dependence on fiat, reduce their power.

>> No.55236824

>>55233032
The guy is bald and ugly. I'm just going to go fuck his wife

>> No.55236972

So if i Live in US should i covert all my alts to BTC? Id take a hefty loss on some, do i say fuck it and just take the tax write off?

>> No.55236977

>>55236750
that's not what defines a security
but it will become a requirement

>> No.55237434

>>55236972
Yes

>> No.55237464

>>55233262
Isn't he the best friend of the daddy of Alameda ceo?

>> No.55239158

>>55237464
Same group of inner kikes. But Gary is currently very useful

>> No.55239166

Why do American Jews dictate all these things to non-Jews, I don't fucking get it

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>>55233032
>well earned trust

>> No.55239185

>>55236697
Credit cards are als fake money so w/e

>> No.55239939

>>55239166
jews are stupid and mistake patience with weakness, it always ends with them either been thrown out or killed

>> No.55239988

>>55233032
>crypto is all hucksters, fraudsters, scam artists
well ... he's not wrong

>> No.55240028

>>55239988
And yet, eth isn't on the chopping block yet. If Gary doesn't soon shows he is serious he lost

>> No.55240619

>>55239158
Damn, Gary is a lifesaver as this fucking dip is the perfect opportunity to accumulate some serious gains. I'm loading up on Kava, Mni, Sand, Ocean, and Fet like there's no tomorrow. No way this issue is gonna last long, so let's take advantage of it while we can. Time to make some serious gain.

>> No.55240893

>>55233184
>>55240028
jogs my noggin

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>>55233189
I thought channers were smart until I read this. POW is like a retired whore who's got a worn pussy hole and doesn't have a future. Reason why I don't snooze on quantum resistant blockchain that is decentralized like PoW, Energy-efficient like PoS, developer friendly and privacy enabled.

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>>55233189
I thought channers were smart until I read this. POW is like a retired whore who's got a worn pussy hole and doesn't have a future. Reason why I don't snooze on quantum resistant blockchain that
uses POR, decentralized like PoW, Energy-efficient like PoS, developer friendly and privacy enabled.

>> No.55241458

>>55236669
Xmr is fully usable for everything from milk to gasoline.
I can buy guns, ammo, cocaine, animal feed, medicine.
What else do I need to buy?

>> No.55241470

>>55236712
Not a problem at all.
Does your business not accept xmr tokens? You are missing out on business and are overpaying taxes.

>> No.55241484

>>55233032
its afraid...

>> No.55242157

>>55241484
You are an idiot and need to drop the act and fuck off for good and never return

>> No.55242198

>>55242157
Are you jewish?

>> No.55242643

I hope Gensler goes after scammers like Pentoshi, gainzy, and DonAlt

>> No.55243052

>>55236113
>I want to see Coinbase delisting shitload of tokens in the next few days.
It's already happening. Crypto winter is for weeding. I earn upto 15 and 45% APY on SCRT and AstraDao respectively.I think 5% is quite poor IMO.

>> No.55243307

>>55236597
Only real chads know to take their assets off exchanges to self custodial wallets. Mine is on Wasabi and Sylo where security is top tier.

>> No.55243359

>>55233053
>crypto shouldn't be allowed to undermine the well earned trust of the capital market
Are you fucking kidding me?
What retard trust these fucking bankers?

>> No.55243394

>>55236059
I hate that this article is written under the assumption that the SEC are the good guys and here for your benefit.

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>>55242157

>> No.55244280

>>55236340
>what's top signal?
Its different this time (this is a general euphoria signal)
Im a trading genius, haven't made an unprofitable move all year!
Don't sell we're headed higher!
Just letting out some steam for the next run up!
[Lots of new markets pumping that have no discernible value add]
Generally, just watch overall sentiment transform from despair to greed and absolute poorfags start putting the cart before the horse (I.e. should I trade in my nissan for a ferrari or a lambo lol)

>> No.55244306

>>55233172
He was literally laughing at this clown during his classes

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>>55236442
Much higher gas fees. It's a lose/lose situation. Well it's een fun boys. Shall we discuss meme stonks again since crypto isn't worth it amymore?

>> No.55244413

>>55233032
And how exactly is this any different from stocks?

>> No.55244443

>>55233032
Yes, and?

>> No.55244475

>>55234966
they don t care anymore, they have so many anti-antikike laws that they will jail your ass