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55189815 No.55189815 [Reply] [Original]

UBI is being trialed in the UK and if the government are willing to trial it then they are thinking of implementing UBI in the future.

>> No.55189837

Pretty cool if it happens, let them print the pound to shit so I can pay off my mortgage for free

>> No.55189848

What you gonna get for 1.6k brit bongs? barely pays living space

>> No.55189852

EU citizen here, when will we get this here?
If even a shit third world country like bongland has this we can't be that far behind

>> No.55189862

>30 people
What are the odds it's 10 jews and 20 Muslims?

>> No.55189880

If you didn't inb4 ubi then you fucked up. Should've got on esa and pip when you had the chance.
>>55189848
They should be paying rent for you anon.
With esa/pip I could live in any house and they have to pay any rent amount.
It's retarded but true.

>> No.55189911
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>>55189815
>thinks guberments will let him keep his playmobil monies after achieving their monopoly through CBDCs

>> No.55189956
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>>55189815
Imagine putting in place UBI and allowing record number of migrants in.

This will end badly.

>> No.55189969

>>55189911
You don't know anything about their plan. UBI is a necessary step.
If they manage to roll out CBDC (kek) they'll have it in the code that you need to spend it on certain thingsd within certain times. Basically like a versatile food stamp that can't be arbitrated by anons who collect.
In southern Ireland they already take it back off you if you didn't take it out the bank within three days and that's what they'll try roll out with CBDC's.
Wouldn't be surprised if the big corporations tried similar tactics. Reduce wages but offer a token that can only be spent in their stores/partners stores.
The funny thing is that the CBDC's will not even be necessary to achieve that. They just speed up the process.

>> No.55190000

>>55189969
>swap CBDC into crypto

ez

>> No.55190022

>receive bongbucks in UK
>become a slumlord in albania

based

>> No.55190048

>>55190000
If they leave that loophole open then yeah.
But that's the danger with CBDC right?
They can just change the code whenever they want like a politician changes policies.
That's what they are doing now but without the CBDC so their policies are unenforcable.
Southern Ireland is a good example because it's devoid of work opportunities and everyone is in a poor relatinoship with the bank.
Just do some research, or talk to irish anons, to see what kind of fuckery the banks are pulling over there.
In any case, if you're on UBI in bonglend you should be getting your rent paid and YOU should look into claiming disability/carers or whatever else you can. Afaik the PIP is applicable to the employed too. It's harder to do now and you get less than you used to but you can bump up the numbers easy.
I know people who are getting free stuff to. TV's, PC's, appliances, internet, etc. All paid for them on top of the UBI.

>> No.55190279

>>55189848
>>55189815
invest in fast food chains, starbucks, cinemas, drug companies, etc.

when the normies get UBI well all know thats exactly where the money is going. oh and precious metals and crypto of course. What the elites dont want you to know is that is how they are going to kill off the masses. if people didnt have work they would smoke, drink, eat themselves to death in a year. The gameplan is just to invest where the normies are going to spend their money.

>> No.55190355

>>55190279
>if people didnt have work they would smoke, drink, eat themselves to death in a year.
This isn't true. It takes a lot longer to die from these things than you expect. Pharma wants to kill people slowly, not fast. Maximum value extraction.
And the statement implies wagies are any different. I've yet to see that. The ones who are different just spend different.
But yeah, business as usual.

>> No.55190460

>>55189815
>n=30
who gives a shit

>> No.55190722

>>55189848
Do you even live in the UK? That's easily a single person's total living costs outside of London.

>> No.55190746
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>>55189815
The need to cancel the benefits of zogbots and many others who get significantly more every month. There are boomers who get 2 pensions in the US from their past union jobs, it's like around 7-8k a month

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>>55190048
>Southern Ireland

>> No.55190786

>>55190773
It's a good example of where things are going for britain. Or do you think our banks and government will behave any different?

>> No.55190898

>>55189848
£1600 is literally my non-discretionary monthly budget. If I didn't have that expense, I'd max my wife's ISA in addition to my own.

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>>55189815
> to see how it would change the lives of the group

?

>> No.55191039

>>55189815
my shitty country (italy) will remove our proto-UBI this summer, kek

>> No.55191062

If they paid me this I would just split it every month half in bitcoin half in gold

>> No.55191074

>>55191062
You'd be removed from the trial.

>> No.55191090

>>55191074
What if this becomes for everybody?

>> No.55191115

>>55189815
Literally more than i make and i work 9 hour days lmao

>> No.55191140

I'm not getting much less than this as a NEET by the way. And others are getting more.
This is just UBI rates. You'd be entitled to other benefits AND get your rent paid for you if you received this.

>> No.55191160

>>55191140
What the fuck. How do i neet? Im working 45 hour weeks, rarely any lunch and with danger pay 'uplift' and i bring in £1.55k a month.

>> No.55191166

>>55191160
Jesus Christ thats brutal, you should’ve learned a trade son

>> No.55191192

finally, someone is going to help the NEETs.
it's about damn time!

>> No.55191246

>>55191160
Grim, is that like £22k or £10/hour gross?

>> No.55191277

>>55191246
Yeah £10 an hour

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>>55191160
>>55191277
I recommend acquiring a reach truck or counterbalance license, I've been on £16.37 + up to £2.50 an hour performance bonus since January in the East Midlands at a Warehouse.

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>>55191062
That's probably why real UBI will never be implemented.

>> No.55191421

>>55191414
people like him at the top 1% of the iq bell curve. everyone else will buy a new car and a bunch of iphones every years

>> No.55191451

>>55189852
Finland tried it, but decided it wasn't worth it. This won't get much farther than a headline either.

>> No.55191461

Sensationalist headline. It doesn't work and obvious as fuck that it isn't sustainable. Won't see the light of day.

>> No.55191518

>>55191160
I think you missed the boat on the higher rates for good benefits.
With the introduction of UBI everyone is being diverted into that instead of the old system which is being left as is for those on it until further notice. (Doubt they will get around to taking people off of it because physically disabled get it and that's a lot of work)
I basically just have autism and social anxiety which prevents me from entering any workforce which requires me leaving the house and interacting with people. I also have an eating disorder which prevents me from eating goyslop and requires me to make my own food 100% of the time. All these little things add up to points on your 'disabilites' which effects the rates you'll get.
You need to play it up a little, like the migrants do, or they just ignore you. They get social workers automatically because of language barriers which speeds up the process for them as the social worker is to the benefit system as a lawyer is to the legal system. Their job is to get you the best deal. Employees who decide whether you get benefits are the opposition in that analogy, trying to prevent you from getting your benefits. So if you get a bad rep, just seek better rep.
You can have these benefits while working too by the way, just lower rates depending on the 'disability.'
In england you are also eligible for discount mortgages with the right to buy scheme for up to 90-120k depending on where you live and banks CANNOT refuse you loans based on where the income comes from, they have to apply the same formulas for everyone.
If i wanted to, i could get the same rates i'm getting and apply for work permissions to earn up to an extra 120 a week. (20 per week is allowed without permissions)
And, even having said all this, there's probably still stuff i'm missing out on such as grants and programs to help me along.
>tl;dr jewmaxx the shit out of the system

>> No.55191707

>>55191451
Which is funny since the results were slightly positive actually: the participants didn't work any less than the controls so this idea that UBI makes people lazy doesn't seem to be true at all based on this study at least and the participants seemed to have improved mental health. Basically right wingers would be against it no matter what the result of the study was because they're retarded and don't understand basic psychology (or any kind of science really).

>> No.55191882

>>55189815
>>55190460
If it's just 30 people you basically can't see what the effect on the economy as a whole would be just how it affects these 30 people specifically. It would be interesting to see at least a full city of people participating in this to see the wider effect.

>> No.55191929

>>55189956
haha holy fuck their country is dead

>> No.55191932

>>55189969
>buy potatoes with it
>distill potatoes in to vodka
>sell vodka
>buy gold bars

>> No.55191950

As a bong that lives abroad, would i be able to get my free UBIs? would it be worth taking a short holiday back to the old country to get the UBIs set up and then leave?

>> No.55191955
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>>55189956
Oh noe not the whiteys! However will life go on without them!

>> No.55191984

>>55191707
What about the death of your currency as you're pumping out guaranteed pay to tens of millions of people?

>>55191518
Bro, I don't have the time to be that poor, I'm too interested in music and having a family to put all that thought into it.
Don't you get bored as fuck?

>> No.55192325

>>55191950
>30 people
>could be
I don't think you need to start planning yet anon.

>> No.55192333

>implying i can't afford to do things and don't have family
What i posted seems like a lot of work but that's just the inital setting up. I haven't been in contact with them for years beyond a ten minute phone call.
I can do anything i want on benefits. I can actually get paid to do them. Keep in mind my bills are minimal. Rent is paid for me. I could move anywhere and the landlord could charge anything and the rent will still be paid for me.
I have enough spare cash to go on holiday right now and still receive the benefits while on holiday. The holiday can be as long as i want if it's under the limit for being considered expat. Useful if i wanted to arbitrate on the living standards and save even more money.
I can get sponsored for hobbies. Part of the 'grants and programs' i mentioned. Though to a limited degree and my hobbies don't require sponsorship.
The only issue would be if i wanted the latest phones, cars, subscriptions, takeaways, clothes, alcohol, smoked, drugs etc. Which i don't want to do. I had a period where i did try all that and found it a futile pursuit and a waste of a life and money personally. But that is what most people are spending on and why they are poor. Whereas i need to avoid upper savings limits that would begin cutting into my benefits. I.e i need to LOOK for things to spend money on or to store value in.
And imagine what it's like if you were living with family with these benefits. You'd have even less expenses.
>tl;dr If you need to work to occupy yourself and have fun anon then what are you going to do once you have enough value saved to not work?

>> No.55193854

>https://knowledge.insead.edu/economics-finance/universal-basic-income-lessons-failed-experiment
already been tried in canada, these slobs were disincentivised to work, and it will be the same in bongland
nobody is suddenly gonna work for fun, commies get the rope

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55194063

>ctrl+f "AI"
>no results
low iq thread of not-knowers

>> No.55194066

>>55191707
you are either retarded or lying
they gave 2k unemployed people like 500€ a month, those people did NOT start looking for jobs more than others, they were just happier
it's just welfare, but if you would give that money to millions instead of a few thousands you will have to deal with inflation too

>> No.55194638

>>55193854
I have seen similar results on a study done on the Seneca Indian tribe, which decided to use their casino money to give every tribal member a basic income (and that is on top of the "free" health care and other benefits injuns on reservations get from the feds) back in the mid-2000s. And so far it has made things worse there; far less people want to work, especially the entry level jobs, which in turn has actually caused poverty to increase. This is because without people starting at those entry level jobs, they lack a pathway to higher end jobs. Crime and other measures of social dysfunction have also increased.

>> No.55195127

>>55194063
>watches “the matrix”
>determines necessary steps to get from here to there
>be director of engineering at google
>>55192333
larp

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>>55195127
spotted another low iq brainlet

>> No.55195277

>>55195151
>The following predictions were made by Ray Kurzweil in his book The Singularity Is Near.
>The Singularity Is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology
>Originally published: 2005
unironic retard spotted

>> No.55195360

30 lucky sons of bitches. Universal Basic Income is the solution to poverty. Any anons who've had to survive on less than $100 know what hell is like.

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>>55189815
>ubi for everyone!
how will we afford this?
>print money give it to plebs
what about inflation?
>you'll have more money to "fight it"
so we are going into hyperinflation?
>not we, you.

>> No.55195493

>>55195433
Trickle down economics is the system we currently have. Rich people always win, they own all the assets. Universal Basic Income would be a trickle up economy.

>> No.55195500

>>55195433
it’s thought that if the whole social security machine was shutdown then this is the amount they can afford to give each person for overall zero sum

>> No.55195548

>>55195127
Nope. Everything i said is easily verifiable.
Once you're on the benefit system it's difficult to be taken off unless you stay in the pool of job-seekers who need temporary financial assistance.
If you are willing to admit you are autistic, which some people seem to have trouble with, you are technically disabled and can avoid having to excuse yourself for not being employed by getting a different class of benefits which is long-term or event permanent depending on the disability/circumstances.
I get >14k per year. It went up just a couple of months ago. I have enhanced rate of esa and pip. But i don't think they offer these anymore with the introduction of UBI. You'd need to look into it.
Others have more points due to greater/physical disabilites. When on esa, and some other classes of benefits, rent is guaranteed to be paid in full so i don't pay it at all.
And legally, as long as i'm considered a citizen, they cannot prevent me from living elsewhere as long as i fill the requirements for being considered a citizen. But housing probably wouldn't pay rent to portugal, i'd need to look into that. Not that i have done this because it would conflict with some of the disabilites i claim i ahve and prevent others from receiving carers. I'd also have to change circumstances and remove points for financial support. But it would only be a slightly lower rate.
As for expenses; I pirate all content. I cook all my own food. I don't smoke. I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I don't buy brand clothes. I have no iphone. I have no car. I don't shop online. My expenses are practically nil anon. Some of my expenses are even covered by family because i cook for them too frequently enough. That's not to say they give me financial support, actually the opposite.
And i'm only as bored as the next person with free time and few obligation and can occupy myself easily. I enjoy daily walks, hiking, drawing, gardening, cooking and i have a large family with many birthdays.

>> No.55195952

>>55195548
you say you can live where you want and whatever the rent it must be paid. that cannot be right

>> No.55196068

>>55195493
>>55195500
wrong. it is a scam to put money into the hands of retards to pump asset prices.

>> No.55196335

>>55196068
not wrong. but you are right too. modern economies are based on consumerism. if the people can’t buy stuff then everything starts to fall apart

>> No.55196415

>>55191160
I get 1.4k, a month and rent paid. I'm on ESA and PIP. I could also get a brand new car if I wanted via the motability scheme.

>> No.55196754

>>55195952
The housing are obliged to pay rent if i'm on esa.
Perhaps not outside the country though. But i'll still get benefits if i'm outside the country but within time limits of tax residency.
Honestly just look it up.There's a reason why there was a bunch of afghans getting their mansions paid by the housing. It's policy.

>> No.55196846

>>55195952
There's some getting 5m+ rent paid per month.
I suspect they were friends with the landlords and worked it out between them.
Not sure if it's still happening but probably as there is no legal way for the housing to appeal it afaik and no policy change has taken place since.
Yes anon, shit is this fucked.

>> No.55196872

>>55189815
where do I apply?

>> No.55196962
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lol, not gonna happen, they don't even have the money, they are just seeking funding, looking for some dumb richfag to fund some poors for 2 years, lol

>> No.55197038

>>55196335
you can't just print money and give it to people, they must work for it. UBI is a inflationary scam masquerading as a solution to put more money in the hands of business and more control to the government centralising and enslaving the population further. the people must spend energy in the form of effort for a healthy economy.

the ONLY way UBI can work is if that country has a MASSIVE deflationary economy. usually this is bolstered by sales of some scarce natural resource like oil. ironically it might work in Venezuela, Saudi Arabia or the US some 20 years ago.

there is a reason no countries have implemented it.

>> No.55197266

>>55197038
>print
no
>>55195500
which you even replied to. learn to read bro

>> No.55197359

>>55189815
Wouldn't Ubi make inequality worse? Give Ubi to functional people with a job and they will invest it this windfall, retards will use it not to get a job and spend it all on goodies

>> No.55197451

>>55197266
they will print

>> No.55197487

>>55196415
what is esa and pip?

>> No.55197608

>>55197451
they will print, regardless

>> No.55197899

>>55189862
30 Muslims. 20 of them somali

>> No.55197958

>>55197359
No because UBI is paid with taxes on the functional people. So don't worry the same people will keep paying for everybody which is the definition of perfect equality according to the left.

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>>55189815
Not for me. I was shut in for 3 months during covid and it became a living hell. Couldn't wait to get back to work. I was much less productive because time literally stopped for me to the point that reality didn't feel real anymore and I began to have schizo, GTA homicidal tendie-cies which was scary. Now i get why some of you NEETs lose your shit and go on killing sprees. Being shut out from the world is unhealthy af

>> No.55198289

>>55197487
Employment support allowance and personal independent payment
As i keep saying, they switched to UBI and fucked everyone from getting onto these. I don't think it's possible anymore but check. I haven't kept up to date with the benefit changes in recent years beyond finding out if mine own will be effected which is a phone call/email. Usually they take the liberty of informing me without me having to take the initiative.
I'm sure you can get them while working too, but lower rates.
idk how anon >>55196415 gets 1.4k though, must be super autistic
I get 596 from esa every 14 days and 514 every 28 days from pip. So 1.1k per month

>> No.55198324

>>55198041
you can participate as much as you want in society, there's just less motivation and incentive because some people feel the social stigma and get embarassed
i don't though, everyone has opinions on everything and they should be kept to themselves
take alcohol and drugs, i think you're a retard and wasteman if you take them
how easy is it to dismiss that unwanted opinion from someone you don't care about? very

>> No.55198493

>>55191090
You'd be removed from society.

>> No.55198627

>>55191518
1. They know it's ending
2. If it was a stipend guaranteed till end of the life bunch of bums would live on this and play video games or get drunk

It makes no sense, in the end nobody wants to clean the toilettes

>> No.55198760

>>55198041
>I began to have schizo, GTA homicidal tendie-cies
Wagies when they can't wage

>> No.55198787

>>55198627
Are you replying to the right anon?
I agree with 1 it's unsustainable.
But there are ways around this with CBDC's and tokenization. Not that i advocate them. I'm using my funds to escape this gay system where i could have been cozied up in a mansion with my family on taxpayer money.
Why would i want to work and pay tax for someone else to do that? It makes no sense and i have no incentive to contribute. But even removing the mansion i still have little incentive to contribute to a gay system like that.
Don't get me wrong, disabled anons should be supported. But obesity, autism etc. are not real limitations for entering the workforce. Some can learn to cope, adjust themselves, or find employment that suits their needs.
But there isn't enough jobs and there never will be...

>> No.55198966

>>55189815
Do any white people get it?

>> No.55198989

>>55189815
Hell yeah, I finally get to raise my tenets monthpy rent by £1600

>> No.55199071

>>55191955
das rite

>> No.55199099

>>55189848
What were you going to do with the 0 bongs before hand you hand?