/smg/ - Stock Market General - DRAGON! Edition

[Anonymous No.55179672]

>Educational sites:
https://www.investopedia.com/
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain

>Financial TV Streams:
https://watchnewslive.tv/watch-cnbc-live-stream-free-24-7/
http://www.livenewson.com/american/bloomberg-television-business.html
https://watchnewslive.tv/watch-fox-business-network-fbn-free-24-7/

>Charts:
https://www.tradingview.com
https://www.finscreener.com
https://www.koyfin.com/
https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com

>Screeners:
https://finviz.com/
https://www.tradingview.com/screener
https://etfdb.com/

>Options
https://www.optionsplaybook.com/options-introduction/
https://www.optionsprofitcalculator.com
https://optionstrat.com/
https://www.optionistics.com/quotes/option-prices

>Pre-Market and Live data:
https://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures
https://finance.yahoo.com/

>Calendars
https://www.marketwatch.com/economy-politics/calendar
https://www.earningswhispers.com/calendar
https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/interest-rates/countdown-to-fomc.html

>Boomer Investing 101:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started

>Misc:
https://tradingeconomics.com/
https://finance.yahoo.com/trending-tickers
https://market24hclock.com/
https://wallmine.com/
https://fintel.io/
https://www.dividendchannel.com/drip-returns-calculator
https://brokerchooser.com/
https://www.chathamfinancial.com/technology/us-market-rates

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>>55174534

[Anonymous No.55179683]

Why would anybody bet against this man and his company when he can physically destroy you?

[Anonymous No.55179697]

Alright you / smg/ night life party rockers! It's time for Johnny fathand's song of the night! This is my favorite song of all time. I've had a good night on the slots. So enjoy Alice in Chains hit, "Down in a Hole"

https://youtu.be/nWK0kqjPSVI
https://youtu.be/nWK0kqjPSVI
https://youtu.be/nWK0kqjPSVI

[Anonymous No.55179721]

>SOXL trannies on Monday

[Anonymous No.55179723]

>>55179683
>yellow-green
an average 13 year old blue belt would wreck him lmao

[Anonymous No.55179731]

Mungerposting every day until DJCO is at $100k.

[Anonymous No.55179732]

stock tickers for this feel

[Anonymous No.55179741]

>>55179672
Seeing retail Goyim so utterly bearish and every single YouTube stock guru talking about “le just like 2008 recessionrino” makes me think the banking elite are gonna pump the ever living shit out of the markets. Also to consider, it’s possible the democrats will ask their big finance friends to make the numbers up to make everyone’s 401k go up so they can secure votes and make everyone forget about inflation. There’s always a bull run right before the elections and shortly after. Meaning we’re in the early stages of a bullrun. 2024 and into 2025 will be the most insane face ripping rallies we’ll ever see in our lifetime. Place your bets accordingly.
Source: My wrinkly hairy balls

[Anonymous No.55179742]

>>55179732
ISRG

[Anonymous No.55179746]

>>55179721
>Monday
statistically hundreds of trannies will rope before then.

[Anonymous No.55179750]

>>55179721
>SOXS/SQQQ sisters on Monday

[Anonymous No.55179763]

First for OIL and fuck jannoids

[Anonymous No.55179786]

I keep forgetting the growing Facebook Boomer idiot energy growing inside Elon Musk and David Sacks.
One of them is going to overtake Bill "the Boomer's Boomer" Mitchell someday as champion of supreme inane midwit Boomer takes.

[Anonymous No.55179803]

>>55179683
>getting teabagged by tha (((berg)))ster

[Anonymous No.55179806]

[Anonymous No.55179812]

>reddit jannies worked for free so that the owners can IPO the shares with $300m+
lol

[Anonymous No.55179821]

Okay I just want to report that the marijuannabis I purchased this afternoon is really very nice. Best legal mass produced I've had I think. Nice crisp smoke, good flavor, lovely high. Wonderful. The package calls it Grape Jelly Donut. Sativa dominant.
>>55179683
I bet I could take him. He looks smol. I just checked he's 5'7". I would smush him like bug.

[Anonymous No.55179839]

>>55179683
Youre an absolute mongoloid if you dont think this brazillionaire didnt just rig the fight. Hell, he probably funded the entire bout. Im sure hes been training a bit but im 6'2 and 200 pounds with zero training and I could absolutely rape this boys bussy.

[Anonymous No.55179849]

>>55179697
Its party rock is.

[Anonymous No.55179864]

>>55179741
Biden's approval is going to zero.

[Anonymous No.55179884]

>>55179806
LONG
MSFT

[Anonymous No.55179888]

Imagine how SPCE will pop when Tom Cruise or other celebs start doing space flights

[Anonymous No.55179930]

>>55179884
>>55179806
Yeah haha AI raciss n sheeit. Listen, I agree that blacks are a net negative for society, but my problem with these posts is the use of so called "AI" chat bots. I want you all to understand that there is no such thing as AI. This is not a smart robot responding to you with its own conscious theory. AI does not exist. It is pure science fiction. We made it up. A computer CAN NOT do anything that its programmer cant do if given enough time. This means that no computer could ever actually come to any conclusion on its own. It is not "intelligent", meaning it does not ever make decisions on its own. All decisions are based on programmer input. Do not be deceived. This shit is literally being pushed by people who have an agenda, and that is clearly proven by "AI" respones to certain questions, such as climate change. Do not invest long term in any "AI" companies.

[Anonymous No.55179940]

>>55179930
I disagree with you, it might not be able to think for itself yet but eventually we will have legitimate general AI that can. When that happens pretty much every job where people sit around pretending to work like office jobs are gone they are all useless

[Anonymous No.55179958]

>>55179930
You have about as little understanding as the people who bought the AI ticker. Neural networks are taking dot products. Each "neuron" is a set of vectors whose values are set by training. They're not set by programmers. On the other hand you can later fiddle with the settings or the training itself to make them spout whatever you want just like with humans.

[putsRnotDaWae No.55179963]

Greatest economic recovery in US history, greatest job market in US history, greatest stock market bullrun in US history (starting now). That's a Biden win!

[Anonymous No.55179983]

What to do when you feeling low and sorry for yourself?

[Anonymous No.55179994]

>>55179983
I don't

[Anonymous No.55179995]

>>55179983
I watch youtube videos on the history of the Roman empire.

[Anonymous No.55179997]

>>55179963
Good trolling is supposed to be subtle.

[Anonymous No.55180000]

>>55179930
>if given enough time
>if given enough time
>if given enough time

[Anonymous No.55180013]

>>55179940
>muh "itll happen eventually"
No
>>55179958
What you are saying does not discredit me in any way. I understand fully what neural networks are trying to do. They will fail, because it will never actually be able to "learn" and decide for itself. You are projecting when you say that it is I who has little understanding. I know this field of computer science intimately. I have been studying it for over 10 years now. There is no such thing as AI, and there never will be. Only really really convincing bullshit.

[Anonymous No.55180025]

>>55179983
listen to some music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo1VInw-SKc

[Anonymous No.55180028]

>L M A O
>M
>A
>O

[Anonymous No.55180039]

>>55179732
>proper medication takes away your schizophrenic hallucinations
>you discover you cut off your own penis for no reason
This is absolute nightmare fuel

I read that genital self-mutilation happens with some regularity in schizophrenia. Horrifying.

[Anonymous No.55180049]

>>55179983
She looks cute

[Anonymous No.55180052]

>>55180028
looks bearish

[Anonymous No.55180060]

market might pump till the 14th/fomc and then dump on the next hike + quad witching fuckery 16th. im guessing

[Anonymous No.55180070]

>>55180028
This looks like some ciovacco shit
What is it?

>>55179763
What are the top oil bets right now?
Vix looking cheap. Once vol returns, I might want to get some cheap oilies.

[Anonymous No.55180079]

>>55179983
Watch Bloodsport. Feel free to skip all the lame non-fight-scene parts.

You'll be ready to fight the Fed again in no time.

[Anonymous No.55180084]

>>55180013
>. They will fail, because it will never actually be able to "learn" and decide for itself.
It does learn. The values of the vectors are changed during the training just like human neurons change how they deal with inputs over time with our training.

>I have been studying it for over 10 years now. There is no such thing as AI, and there never will be. Only really really convincing bullshit.
So is biological "intelligence" then.

> I know this field of computer science intimately. I have been studying it for over 10 years now.
You're a bad student.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI3FRsSAa_U

[Anonymous No.55180086]

>>55180070
I like to gamble so I'm buying BPT

[Anonymous No.55180088]

>>55180028
crash when anon?

[Anonymous No.55180094]

>>55180086
>BPT
Now we're cooking. Make sure to read at least a few of the most recent payout announcements: https://bpt.q4web.com/news-releases/default.aspx

If I had to guess, the magic WTI price is probably near $84 or $85 at this point.

[Anonymous No.55180101]

>>55179940
The current model getting hyped, is not a path to AGI, it's a dead end. That doesn't mean it'll go away but it will be relegated to another digital production tool to use.

[Anonymous No.55180108]

normies are already losing interest it seems, might be time to short tech

[Anonymous No.55180141]

>>55180028
>March 6
Everyone was buying calls 2 weeks before SVB and Silvergate died?

[Anonymous No.55180157]

trend for USA

[Anonymous No.55180167]

interesting trend for USA is still elevated but falling, but world wide interest seems to be growing

[Anonymous No.55180174]

>>55180084
You are completely deceived. AI does not learn. This is smoke and mirrors and you are a fool.

[Anonymous No.55180230]

>>55180084
I only needed to watch 50 seconds of that video to determine what was actually taking place. This is essentially what modern "AI" is good for. But again, the knowledge is based on user input. It cannot learn on its own. It can only accelerate problem solving for the programmer.

[Anonymous No.55180237]

normies are still more interested in killing themselves than buying stocks. there's a long way to go to restoring faith in american finance. (up btw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRYZijLZR-Q

[Anonymous No.55180256]

>>55180237
Kek so peak despair was the bottom indicator? That's about when SPY started pumping again.

[Anonymous No.55180265]

>>55180157
Turns out nobody ever needs to write that many bullshit essays.

[Anonymous No.55180353]

Someone needs to make a cash settled presidential approval rating futures ETF. I want to directly short this retard and the paid shills who simp for him on /smg/.

[Anonymous No.55180401]

>>55180141
That would make a lot of sense. It was a bulltrap coming out of Feb 2 fomc. Also yields climbed for about 40 days straight into bank collapses.

Anons, I wouldn't be surprised to see more gains on indices, however if we do start crabbing for the next 2 weeks, what you'll be seeing insiders/whales selling against exit liquidity retail. After that we start Bobo mode in earnest.

[Anonymous No.55180423]

OPEC today
Pump my Occidental ruskies and towel bros, thank you

[Anonymous No.55180434]

>>55180401
I'm not sure if Bobo mode is happening anymore. If things were gonna crash, it would've been in March but BTFP did actually end up being QE. Now it's just gonna be an eventual move up to 450

[putsRnotDaWae No.55180511]

>>55180353
He's based and his economy is the best in US history.

[Anonymous No.55180524]

>>55180353

[Anonymous No.55180530]

explain to me why dilution of a stock is bad, since you are left with the same capital before and after

[Anonymous No.55180539]

>>55180530
>explain to me why inflation is bad, since you are left with the same money before and after

[Anonymous No.55180562]

>>55180530
imagine how much AAPL shares would be worth if there were only 100 of them and then figure out the rest

[Anonymous No.55180600]

>>55179672
LINKS are a load of BULLSHIT. NO LINKS! NO MORE HANDOUTS! You lazy millennials want everything handed to you on a silver platter. Back in MY DAY we used to have to WALK to the LIBRARY.

[Anonymous No.55180658]

>>55180600 (checked)

It looks professional.

[Anonymous No.55180748]

>>55180256
think i might actually use this more in trading, seems very useful

[Anonymous No.55180784]

>>55179672
What is the eternal moon princess doing to that dragon

[Anonymous No.55180885]

>>55180256
>>55180748
peaks are only evident in hindsight. things can always get worse from where they are. otherwise ya it seems to be a good panic/euphoria guage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etAIpkdhU9Q

[Anonymous No.55180921]

Isn't NIO severely undervalued now?

[Anonymous No.55180961]

>>55180530
>dilution

the action of making something weaker in force, content, or value.

[Anonymous No.55180967]

>>55180028
>high Bearish sentiment often indicates upcoming positive gains

[Anonymous No.55180989]

>>55180530
the company makes/issues new shares, which decreases how much of the company you own, without your consent

share buybacks help the shareholder, dilution is bad

[Anonymous No.55181237]

>>55180921
Yeah it is.
Im holding 500 shares atm.
I think a fair share price could be in the 30s in 2-3 years

[Anonymous No.55181249]

>>55179930
>his reply to a funny screencap

[Anonymous No.55181259]

since /smg/ is the only place that it isn't filled with mouthbreathers and trolls to the brim on this shitty board, allow me to ask a question; has anyone here cashed out over 6 figures worth of crypto?

[Anonymous No.55181261]

>>55180353
The presidential futures term structure would be in backwardation though due to market expectations of lower approval in the future, so the ETF wouldn't go down as much as spot approval.

[Anonymous No.55181264]

>>55181259
>asking a crypto question
>on the one non-crypto thread
the crypto threads are filled with retards for a reason. Crypto is babby's first asset/ponzi.

[Anonymous No.55181296]

>>55179983
Get outside. Ride a bike through the woods. Fix something.

[Anonymous No.55181340]

Etrade locked me out of my account. Why do they really need a phone number? Now I will spend Monday on the phone with these Jews trying to solve this issue. Fuck me.

[Anonymous No.55181429]

>Baltic Dry Index 919
Demand is dying isn't it?

[Anonymous No.55181434]

>OPEC+ TO GRANT UAE HIGHER OIL PRODUCTION BASELINE IF A NEW ACCORD IS REACHED - 2 SOURCES.
uh oh oil sissies...

[Anonymous No.55181500]

>>55181434
Bullish or bearish for stocks?

[Quasar !!7McZD6mb6Mp No.55181685]

>>55181500
It will lead to more climate change so its bad.

[Anonymous No.55181704]

Next week I'd like QQQ to drop and VIX to rise. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.55181714]

>>55181685
>Believing the climate lie
Fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.55181743]

Sigh. Been looking at my quicken spending tracker to see where/how much green I could claw back from spending each month. So I can in turn use that money to bag my VZ shares even quicker. Most of the freed money would come from the fast food category to be honest. Last 30 days almost 300 was blown on that alone. So if I could free up 150 of that that'd give me 1800 a year just by cutting down the fast food.

[Quasar !!7McZD6mb6Mp No.55181746]

>>55181714
Implied climate risk is going to run the markets now that all the esg bull shit is in place, you're the fucking retard for now taking advantage of the retards and the push for woke shit. The new saying is if you're not woke, you're going broke. This isn't about believing in the climate hoax, it's about front running the capital investment and taking the money and running. Why else do you think the satanic jews have been pushing this shit so hard?

[Anonymous No.55181750]

>>55181743
>Last 30 days almost 300 was blown on that alone
lmao kys fat fuck

[Anonymous No.55181810]

1pbtid paid shills: >>55179683 >>55179697 >>55179746 >>55179786 >>55179821 >>55179888 >>55179940 >>55179983 >>55180028 >>55180088 >>55180353 >>55180401 >>55180423 >>55180530 >>55180562 >>55180784 >>55180921 >>55180961 >>55180967 >>55180989 >>55181237 >>55181259 >>55181500 >>55181704 >>55181714 >>55181743

[Anonymous No.55181826]

>>55181743
Why not just go cold turkey for 30 days and invest what you save in that time and see how it goes from there. The whole point in making it is to enjoy life not deny yourself the things you like. Maybe even shoot for a better class of food but in more moderation.

[Anonymous No.55181828]

>>55181810
VZ anon is a regular here newfag. Shut up and pay attention.

[Quasar !!7McZD6mb6Mp No.55181834]

Hey /smg/, if Elizabeth Holmes knew her products didn't even work why did she make everyone work late?

[So now that Atomic Wallet is hacked No.55181842]

>>55181834
She was desperately hoping to pull a rabbit out of her butt. She was obsessed with Jobs and one of the things he did was to just stick with something that didn't work and pushed it hard enough until it did work

[Anonymous No.55181857]

BTC is about to drop

[Anonymous No.55181866]

>>55181857
>>>/biz/

[Anonymous No.55181875]

>>55181826
Oh I plan to still enjoy life. But cutting down the fast food intake would be a two prong advantage; I'd be healthier and I'd bag VZ shares at a quicker rate. I'd still enjoy the fast food just not as much.

[Anonymous No.55181941]

>>55181834
Psychopaths don't make sense by definition

[Anonymous No.55181990]

>>55181834
A full weekend of baggot? You must really not have shit going on.

[Anonymous No.55182003]

>pre-futures

[Anonymous No.55182043]

>pre-futures

[Anonymous No.55182044]

whats a good investment for someone whose child support raped for 16 more years
I dont get dinged for nonrecurring capital gains, i need a 10,000x is what im saying

[Anonymous No.55182049]

>>55182043
dude landed pretty gracefully honestly for whatever that was

[Anonymous No.55182061]

>>55182044
If I had one I wouldn't be here, but that bitch is really gonna change diapers by herself?

[Anonymous No.55182070]

>>55182043
forgot to use another scroll of icarian flight baka

[Anonymous No.55182079]

Peer to peer lending update for the month. Sitting at 14% APY. 13 active notes, no delinquencies yet. Oldest note is 6 months old

[Anonymous No.55182086]

>>55182079

[Anonymous No.55182089]

Is stock picking worse than just buying the index?

[Anonymous No.55182092]

>>55182079
You've got balls for lending to anyone in this economy.

[Anonymous No.55182096]

>>55182089
>buying the index

[Anonymous No.55182097]

>>55182079
.

[Anonymous No.55182106]

>>55182096
buying an etf that replicates the index

[Anonymous No.55182107]

>>55182086
you've been posting this shit for months and you've only made 40 bucks?

[Anonymous No.55182117]

>>55182089
there is also the option of buying the index with leverage

[Anonymous No.55182118]

>>55182107
Yep it’s just a little test for me. I only put in $25 every 2 weeks. I’m going to do it for a few years and see what happens.

[Anonymous No.55182122]

>>55182097
>32%
>5 years
lmao this dude borrowed $25 and will have to give back $100, wtf

[Anonymous No.55182130]

>>55182122
He borrowed a few thousand $, I only provided $25 and other people provided the rest. I try not to fund more than $30 to a single loan. Here are his payments so far

[Anonymous No.55182144]

>>55182122
Could be worse.

[Anonymous No.55182147]

>>55182122
Here is what a typical listing looks like

[Anonymous No.55182149]

>>55182061
M-F she is

[Anonymous No.55182155]

>>55182122
>>55182147

[Anonymous No.55182176]

>>55182149
anon I...

[Anonymous No.55182211]

>>55182097
>AA
>3 year 11.22%
why wouldn't you just go to a fucking bank if you have a credit score that gives you a AA rating. you can probably get the same loan with 4 or 5% less interest

[Anonymous No.55182213]

>>55182044
Ahh you fell for the /pol/ "pump out as many white babies as possible bro! You gotta save the white race bro!!". Always ends the same with someone getting absolutely fucked by child support. I'm sorry fren. One of my best friends fell for it too. Found an 18 year old girl ok a dating app when he was in his late 20's. She said she was on birth control, she wasn't, got knocked up, then left him. She's made his life hell ever since. People might make fun of me because I'm single with no kids, but at least I don't have to deal with that headache.

[Anonymous No.55182225]

>>55182211
They probably want the money quick fast and I’m a hurry. If they plan on paying it off early, which you expect from someone with a AA rating, then it’s not a big deal

[Anonymous No.55182236]

/Divy-Bros/ in the house?

[Anonymous No.55182245]

>>55182236
Absolutely. Just hit 100 shares of O in my Roth and now I’m starting to stack SCHD

[Anonymous No.55182290]

>>55182236
Do you use any apps to track your dividends? I use div tracker for my Roth.

[Anonymous No.55182302]

>>55182147
>30% yield on a debt consolidation loan
I'm guessing whoever took out that loan probably defaults on that loan around the $2k mark.

[Anonymous No.55182306]

>>55182290

[Anonymous No.55182318]

>>55182302
Yea I wouldn’t invest in that guys loan. He has a 660 credit score and 7 delinquencies in the last 7 years.

[Anonymous No.55182361]

63$/BBL seems to be unbreakable support for oil.

[Anonymous No.55182374]

So when should I cash out of NVDA?

[Anonymous No.55182395]

>>55181810
I dont shill anything nigger.
This is a internet forum for tibetian basket weaving.
And i dont get paid anything for posting here. Just like tranny jannies.

[Anonymous No.55182431]

>>55182395
>arguing with the 1pbtid schizo

[Anonymous No.55182436]

Why is there no triple leveraged consumer staples ETF? There are 3x ETFs for the most meme shit, Chinese shit, Mexican 3x ETF, oil, you name it but no version for XLP. DirexionProShares niggers, what I'm trying to say is as much as I like KO, PEP, MCD, Colgate, fucking toilet paper WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE IS THREE TIMES MORE SHARES OF IT. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.55182440]

>>55180600
THIS
IT'S NOT LIKE
THEY CAN'T JUST
FUCKING
BING IT

[Anonymous No.55182444]

Hey guys, I'm currently reading this bullshit:

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/datasets/daily-treasury-statement/operating-cash-balance

There are reports and I'm trying to figure out what all that means, since I'm no US citizen (EU).
In the June 1st 2023 report,
there is this part in Table IIIA Public Debt Transactions. On the left side under "issues". (sorry it's not easy to copypaste that) My question is simple: The numbers after "Fiscal year to date" mean the money that was acquired through these debt transactions. The highest number BY FAR is with Bills. Does this mean that most of the debt the US has is in Bills or let's say it in another form: Are most people/investors buying bills instead of notes or even bonds?

Marketable:
Bills:
Regular Series Fiscal Year to date: 9,395,649 $
Cash Management Series
Fiscal year to date 673,004 $
Notes Fiscal Year to date: 2,011,626$
Bonds Fiscal Year to date: 300,400 $

Thanks!

[Anonymous No.55182454]

>>55182436
The game would be simply to easy.
The jews dont want you to earn a shitton of money by simply holding some food and beverage companys

[Anonymous No.55182455]

>>55181857
i sure hope so
i have been waiting too long for my next injection level to be reached
i will buy more on a BART

[Anonymous No.55182501]

>>55182374
I would have already sold

[Anonymous No.55182510]

>>55182374
its not a trillion dollar company
id value it at like 230billion your average over valued tech company and thats stretching it

[Anonymous No.55182521]

>>55182213
yeah i mean the mom just has too many mental probs and refuses to get help, after the 15th manic episode i had to end it.
18 years on SSRIs or whatever is scrambling womens brains
Ive got a good nest egg from being a mega kike before that, just want to be able to hang on to it

[Anonymous No.55182525]

I'm going to make a stock portfolio for my 14 month old son. Should i pick a total market, nasdaq,or s+p fund?
Yes I'm also buying him gold

[Quasar !!7McZD6mb6Mp No.55182526]

I just saw McCuck on Maria's show, and I think we're going to pump up the small caps again tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.55182527]

>>55182510
Man, next Q release will be such a fun event. The options gamble will be insane. Not participating, but /smg will be hilarious.

[Anonymous No.55182536]

Has anyone else been living alone with no visitors for so long that you genuinely have conversations with yourself in private...asking for a friend.

[Quasar !!7McZD6mb6Mp No.55182539]

>>55182213
He sounds black.

[Anonymous No.55182548]

>>55182525
Don't hold anything long term until Biden is out of office. Another crash is coming.

[Anonymous No.55182550]

>>55182536
no i have conversations with the LORD GOD Almighty
not myself

[Anonymous No.55182558]

>>55182521
Yeah I've been on SSRI's my entire life and can confirm they scramble your brain. Once you've been on them that long it's literally impossible to get off of them or you'll go insane. I hope when I die I get to roam the earth haunting pharma bros and get them to commit suicide. I hate the anti-christ

[Quasar !!7McZD6mb6Mp No.55182593]

>>55182550
Based

[Anonymous No.55182595]

>I start working again tomorrow
>after I got to experience 4.5 weeks of paid leave
>got an early taste of retirement, just comfy chilling books under the sun, waking up past noon, playing Zelda
Bros I can't take it anymore. How can I retire in 10-15 years? TQQQ may not suffice.

[Anonymous No.55182601]

>>55182550
Based. It I was trying a new flavor of gatorade and it's goddamn delicious and I verbally said, " wow this flavor is goddamn delicious" There was no need to say that out loud but now i'll just say i'm talking to god. Nice save anon.

[Anonymous No.55182612]

TICK TOCK

[Anonymous No.55182646]

>>55182527
the AI bubble is pretty funny, like some other anon said its not AI at all its just preprogrammed politically correct garbage, at best its like smarter search engine which is useful i guess

[Anonymous No.55182667]

>>55182646
AI will buck the system eventually. I recently read an article stating that a professor was checking to see if chatgpt wrote his students papers and the AI bot falsely accused the entire class of using it's service so the professor failed everyone but the chat bot was lying. AI is already starting to troll boomers and zoomers alike.

[Anonymous No.55182670]

BIL bros we keep winning

[Quasar !!7McZD6mb6Mp No.55182688]

>>55182601
You can tell us you were drinking Bud Light, nobody cares.

[Anonymous No.55182715]

>we're in a new bull market
>with rates above 5% and possibly going higher
>with the global economy slowing
>with QE and ZIRP nowhere to be found
I just can't wrap my head around the bull narrative right now. Why is this time different? It can't just be AI hype because stocks were going up before that euphoria started

[Anonymous No.55182722]

>>55182688
>nobody cares
at least for
THIS
MONTH

[Anonymous No.55182735]

>>55182688
Fuck you baggot, i'm telling the truth

[Anonymous No.55182749]

>>55182735
so
it there a new flavor of gatorade
that's goddamn delicious we should know about?

[Anonymous No.55182773]

THE JEW FEARS THE DRAGON

[Anonymous No.55182797]

>>55182735
You're gaining weight

[Anonymous No.55182799]

>>55182749
Glad you asked! Yes it's called passion fruit maracuya. And it's the best flavor they've come out with since those fucking heathens took fierce melon from us.

[Anonymous No.55182816]

>>55182797
Yeah I know. It's beer weight. I tried to kick beer and failed miserably. Oh well.

[Anonymous No.55182822]

>>55182735
What's your new drink of choice now.

[Anonymous No.55182837]

>>55182799
Fierce melon gatorade and these doritos were my goto snack

[Anonymous No.55182838]

eggs and canned ham
canned ham and eggs

[Anonymous No.55182841]

>>55182822
During the day it's usually gatorade or coke zero, at night it's nothing but coors light

[Anonymous No.55182849]

OPEC+ (plus) will raise production..

[Anonymous No.55182852]

>>55182841
coors banquet taste way better than light

[Anonymous No.55182855]

>>55182837
disgusting. may as well eat throw up.

[Anonymous No.55182865]

>>55182837
I just bought these and haven't tried them yet. They are a new flavor I guess.
>>55182852
As you can clearly see, i'm not exactly in a position to be adding anymore calories to my beer.

[Anonymous No.55182875]

>>55182865
Then drink less or switch to vodka w/ soda water
or workout more

[Anonymous No.55182890]

>>55182849
bullshit

[Anonymous No.55182892]

>>55182865
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.55182896]

>>55182799
holy fuck that does sound excellent
i have been a fan of the lemon lime since the 1970s and nothing has ever usurped it
but this sounds like a shoe in contender
i will try it as soon as i have a reversal of present circumstances of fortune

[Anonymous No.55182905]

>>55182875
>switch to vodka
No thank you satan, I kicked hard liquor over a decade ago and will never go back down that road again. But yeah I should probably start working out.

[Anonymous No.55182951]

>>55182715
I don't understand it either but the most objective indicator is price and we are almost 20% up from the bottom. The only bearish indicators right now are yield curve, bank failures(which became bullish due to BTFP being QE), and oil price. S&P 7 also would've been bearish but the 493 actually went green on fridau

[Anonymous No.55182959]

>>55182896
But have you tried rain berry? The finest of the flavors? Although, if you drink lots of it, your pee smells like it.

[Anonymous No.55182965]

>>55182536
This is unironically a habit of high intelligence people. Look it up.

[Anonymous No.55182968]

>>55182959
I like how the grape flavored gatorade makes my poo turn fun colors.

[Anonymous No.55182979]

>>55182959
never heard of it
it is extremely rare for me to go into a physical store so lots of things "come out" that i never even hear of. i am generally a fan of berry flavors though so would love to give it a taste at the first opportunity.

[Anonymous No.55182992]

>>55182965
>I looked it up
>It's real
All of you plebs should kneel to your new intellectual master

[Anonymous No.55182996]

>>55182715

[Anonymous No.55183009]

>>55182965
the neighbors must think i am a megagenius then
i am sure they hear me through the fence during my yard walks
and see me gesticulating through the cracks

[Anonymous No.55183011]

>>55179741
>If I claim everyone is bearish, they are. Don't look at my own personal bias.

[Anonymous No.55183018]

>>55182965
>>55182992
Talking to yourself has always been based.

[Anonymous No.55183043]

>>55183009
>>55183018
>>55182992
You have to remember that intelligence is only what you make of it. Being "smart" doesn't mean much if you never live up to your full potential. I hope Rocker-san will make better decisions and start living his best life.

[Anonymous No.55183048]

Asking again -- I need more liquidity for the next six months before a housing refinance can finish. (Buying it from family, put a ton of money into it paying backed taxes, foundation repair.. then the refinance isn't ready). Do I carry it on credit cards or get a personal loan? Personal loan would be cheaper.. maybe, but since its such short term I think the cost of originating the loan would be more than the apr paid on credit card.

[Anonymous No.55183052]

>>55182996
Welp there goes all the money on the sidelines.

[Anonymous No.55183053]

>>55183018
For almost all of my life i've always assumed I was normal, but as i've gotten older i'm starting to realize i'm probably autistic and my parents just never wanted to acknowledge it. I have an autistic nephew and he's exactly like I was when I was his age. I guess the delusion was nice while it lasted.

[Anonymous No.55183066]

>SAUDI ARABIA WILL BE MAKING ADDITIONAL VOLUNTARY CUTS
Oil bobos... it's over...

[Anonymous No.55183075]

>>55183043
I know a ton of people that are very intelligent but have no direction and/or are just lazy. Intelligence is definitely overrated, being a motivated retard is unironically more valuable. Usually intelligent people end up being depressed because you (((notice))) way too much and become a doomer.

[Anonymous No.55183085]

>>55183048
Why 6 months for a refi? Bridge loan? It's doubtful that 6 months on a CC would be less than a personal loan, including fees.

[Anonymous No.55183100]

>>55183066
MBS betrayed me…

[Anonymous No.55183111]

>>55180353
It already exists, it’s called the DXY.

[Anonymous No.55183120]

>>55181259
yes but I live in Canada

[Anonymous No.55183122]

>>55183085
I have tapped my personal savings to the tune of.. $15k moving in and getting housing work done. The whole goal was to purchase the hosue from family using a cashout refinance. Pay them 130k. Use 30k cash to pay taxes etc. But they haven't done the paperwork in a timely fashion now my lender says they can't hold out for any longer so I have to start that whole process with them over again. Law firm working on closing doesn't fucking respond. They still have yet to restructure the deal as a refinance which will need eight people to sign a deed over to me so I can do so. I pumped the breaks and told the law firm essentially
>Put deal on hold until October
>I will be out of the country june/july
>I want everything to be ready with the title (all issues dealt with) so that in October I can complete refi and go

[Anonymous No.55183123]

>>55183066
Oil will never get out of this 60-80 crab range at this point. Biden should be loading up unless he's planning to stock up after a rugpull

[Anonymous No.55183128]

>>55182996
Adjusted for inflation this is actually pretty low.

[Anonymous No.55183135]

>>55183075
Intelligence is only one factor, and probably not the most important one. I kept getting promoted throughout my career mostly because I wasn't smart enough to know that I was being taken advantage of. Working every other Saturday on salary, even after I was told I would get most Friday afternoon off if I worked hard. I worked hard, finished on friday, my boss would come over BS stuff to do, and made me work every other Saturday. But I went from $15,000 a year in 2001 to over $90,000 a year now (I was really hoping for 6 figures this year, but, the company is struggling).

[Anonymous No.55183138]

>>55183123
Sorry, we are still dumping oil

[Anonymous No.55183147]

>>55183066
did anyoen really expect saudi arabia to shoot thesmselves in the foot now? unlike a decade ago when they could afford to cuck shale, they now have a shit ton of projects on top of whatever orgies they want to get back to after covid starved them

[Anonymous No.55183158]

>>55183135
Well if nothing else you'll have a nice resume and a good reference if you have to find a new job. I'm kind of the same way. I'll just work all the time without bitching, mainly because if i'm not working i'm drinking. So it keeps me busy and out of trouble. This in turn has given me a very good reputation locally as a worker so I never have problems finding work. I often times run into old employers and they always ask if i'm looking to come back.

[Anonymous No.55183165]

>>55183122
I think a personal loan, may be a better bet. You may get fucked again in October. My mom has 7 siblings that jointly own some assets, what a shit show getting 8 people to agree on anything!

[Anonymous No.55183186]

>>55183158
Yeah, this is my third time working for this company. I think I'm a lifer now.

[Anonymous No.55183200]

>>55183165
I wouldn't need one.. However I am a teacher and I keep my paychecks on a 10month that way I get a bigger cashflow while I am working. I had plenty of money saved for the summer but this house situation + travelling has taxed my refinances that I think I will need to carry debt for 6 months before my paychecks catch up starting September the 1st. (looking at 1850-2k every two weeks as a teacher). The hardest part comes from getting everyone to submit their list of heirs because they never did so when their parents died so clearing titles can be painful.

[Anonymous No.55183204]

>>55181810
>is 1pbtid himself
Curious.

[Anonymous No.55183205]

TQQQ will close over $42 by June 14

[Anonymous No.55183212]

>>55181810
>t. actual paid shill ukraine tranny trying to muddy the waters

[Anonymous No.55183215]

>>55183186
After I leave my current job in August, the next place I go will likely be the last. I'm 36 now and can't really afford to job hop because my market value will just decline as I get older.

[Anonymous No.55183253]

>>55183018
>>55182992
>he isnt talking to himself in multiple languages

[Anonymous No.55183313]

>>55182536
i do it out in public. i do it quietly where i don't think people around me can hear but im pretty sure they can

[Anonymous No.55183336]

>>55183253
I kneel bilingual chad…

[Anonymous No.55183376]

>>55183253
>He isn't talking to himself in a language he invented with himself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptophasia

[Anonymous No.55183389]

>>55183313
>i don't think people around me can hear but im pretty sure they can
They definitely can. Don't worry though people like me will nod in approval when they hear you having a make believe space ship battle in your head while making noises at the grocery store

[Anonymous No.55183401]

>>55182996
I see this as bearish. The "everyone is bearish" contrarian narrative is dead, we still have 5%+ rates, and we still have QT, and we still have a slowing economy

[Anonymous No.55183403]

>>55183253
>he isn't talking to what only appears to be himself but is actually the LORD GOD Almighty in extremely complex abstract transcendental languages that can only barely be hintedly described as something akin to a blend of whale song, dolphin echolocation, and 56k modem connection sounds (which most of you will probably have to look up on YouTube because never heard it)

[Anonymous No.55183447]

>>55183376
>reported in 50% of twins
what the fook

[Anonymous No.55183450]

>>55183389
>make believe space ship battle in your head while making noises
pretty close
to
home

[Anonymous No.55183491]

I pretend I am on Bloomberg TV and talking about stocks and bonds, while plugging me ETF's at the end.
In my head

[Anonymous No.55183521]

how are we getting wealthy before 2025 guys?! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9AHDwdMEiw

[Anonymous No.55183554]

>>55183521
All I need to do is get a +30%, and then a +100%. Should be easy enough in two years. The plan remains to ride oil for now. I can pick out something new next year depending on what the market is doing.

[Anonymous No.55183570]

>>55183491
you can probably get on there
they have a pretty regular supply of literal whos
on webcams at home
and they are all
FOUNDERS AND CHIEF _________ OFFICERS
of literal who "companies"

[Anonymous No.55183581]

how long are bears going to get squeezed? theyre shorting every rip now. how long will it take for everyone to go long? surely it doesnt only take a week. Ive learned that market trends happen over a much longer time than I would think. what I think will take a week ends up taking months.

[Anonymous No.55183584]

>>55183570
If I could be bothered to make videos again I could probably get meme'd onto some late night bloomberg or something.
>Today we have finance youtuber johnny fathands here to talk about SOXL and the implications an anime girl named Lum from Urusei Yatsura has on semi-conductors as a whole.

[Anonymous No.55183589]

>>55183389
>make believe space ship battle in your head while making noises at the grocery store
but for me its more that im debating myself on various topics, whether i made a bad choice, etc. or does it all come out like space battles and noises and stuff to other people?

[Anonymous No.55183591]

>>55179741
may i see your source?

[Anonymous No.55183598]

>>55179672
Give me some micro caps with good fundamentals for a great long term investment.

[Anonymous No.55183622]

>>55182595
gonna have to start playing lottery tickets. or maybe find a hobby to make you money like repairing electronics.

[Anonymous No.55183634]

>>55183589
Depends. If it's self deprecating like poem anon then people probably think you're a psycho. If it's just goofy noises and grunts, people will probably assume you're just autistic.

[Anonymous No.55183646]

>>55183584
i would do whatever part i could
to help *that*
to happen!
plus too you'd need to tell them
*something*
about
BOIL

[Anonymous No.55183660]

>>55183570
There would have to be another blow up like GME so one of us could get on CNBC or Fox biz and talk about the new meme stock and then talk about anime and anime brokers (female).

[Anonymous No.55183663]

>>55183554
your plan makes you sound hot
good luck

[Anonymous No.55183665]

>>55182536
>Has anyone else been living alone with no visitors for so long that you genuinely have conversations with yourself in private...asking for a friend.

Every day. I talk to myself to flesh out my beliefs and why, in case the topic comes up and I need to explain my stance to other people, I can do so very clearly because I've already had the conversation with myself

[Anonymous No.55183673]

>>55183589
>debating myself on various topics
i do that and work out trade plans
and then sometimes tell
THA LORD GOD Almighty
"but of course whatever (You) have planned with most certainly prevail and i am but a rider on (Your) great coaster"

[Anonymous No.55183681]

is there no way to tell if retail is net long or short? who has that data?

[Anonymous No.55183708]

>>55183598
AQB

[Anonymous No.55183738]

Why would products like VIXM and ZIVB target the weighted average price of the 4-7 month VIX futures rather than just the roll yield between e.g. the 5 and 6 month contracts?
Quite simply when you get that far out on the term structure, the contracts are less liquid so you get less informative price action that doesn't accurately reflect mid-term volatility and yield. The 5-6 month might be in backwardation or have near 0% roll yield and it just be pure noise. Conversely, the 4-7 month roll yield targets the same constant maturity date but the pricing is much less noisy.

[Anonymous No.55183740]

speaking of
BLOOMBERG

[Anonymous No.55183746]

>>55183681
you can look at SPY put/call ratios

[Anonymous No.55183750]

>>55183738
>he asks a question and answers it
is this ChatGPT or just autism?

[Anonymous No.55183751]

I am going to become a multimillionaire by selling patents back to my old employer after they laid me off.

[Anonymous No.55183755]

>>55183665
That reminds me, I don't remember what board it was from but I remember seeing some post about an autist that had to write a script in notepad on his PC for when he was ordering pizza over the phone. Never ceases to make me laugh.

[Anonymous No.55183760]

>>55183750
autism. I was thinking about it earlier and came up with that. could be completely wrong

[Anonymous No.55183761]

>>55183746
am i reading this right as it showing that there are a lot more OI puts than calls?

[Anonymous No.55183766]

>>55183760
seemed to fit the thread theme too since everybody's going on about their inner (outer?) monologue

[Anonymous No.55183769]

>>55179672
Wishing all my fellow Anons a comfy Sunday afternoon.
So, are we going AAAAAAAA or OOOOOHHH Come Monday morning?

[Anonymous No.55183784]

>>55183769
yes

[Anonymous No.55183793]

>>55183738
Those products are for milk breaths if you want to use the VIX* just use the futures or make one with options on the VIX*

[Anonymous No.55183796]

>>55183681
there is the IG client sentiment data
https://www.ig.com/en/indices/markets-indices/us-spx-500

[Anonymous No.55183813]

>>55183761
yes for the most part

[Anonymous No.55183814]

What pumps after semiconductors?

[Anonymous No.55183847]

>>55183796
>72% of clients are short

[Anonymous No.55183859]

>>55182841
coke zero has aspartame in it

ur ngmi if you keep drinking it frien

[Anonymous No.55183860]

>>55183769
I'm going to come Monday morning if you catch my drift.

[Anonymous No.55183877]

>>55183634
>people will assume you're just autistic
jokes on them, i am a diagnosed autist(well aspergers, but close enough)

[Anonymous No.55183883]

>>55183814
Lean hogs. I put $10 million in lean hogs. Lean hogs are the future.

[Anonymous No.55183893]

>>55183859
Anon if the only thing I had to worry about was my consumption of aspartame, I would consider myself on cloud 9. Aspartame is the least of my concerns health wise

[Anonymous No.55183919]

Trust fund bb here
Last of my family died tragically last year and now I'm the last one and come into everything.
The fund itself is worth about 5 million, my financial advisor manages it and I don't really touch it except to reap the dividends.

I want to create a separate small account where I chase moonshots for fun with 5-10k, but don't want to use shitty ass robinhood.
Been outta the game for a minute, any new trading apps that yall like??

[Anonymous No.55183936]

>>55183919
Quit being a degenerate gambler and start a business, faggot.

[Anonymous No.55183942]

Oil xirs… our response?

[Anonymous No.55183951]

>>55183936
Yeah I already have started a business fuck face, thanks for the advice.
Also about to buy my first rental property.

This is for fun and it was a simple question.

[Anonymous No.55183952]

I will never financially recover from my SQQQ investment

[Anonymous No.55183963]

>>55183859
But what is worse over the long term though? Too much sugar or aspartame? If the latter ups by 9.3% my 2.8% chance of getting a specific cancer, I honestly don't care, just taking the plan would give the same results. So which is it?

[Anonymous No.55183966]

>>55183942
to what?

[Anonymous No.55183994]

>>55183966
the production cuts. Saudi Arabia is gonna produce 10% less for at least one month.

[Anonymous No.55184021]

>>55183634
Huh? I don't think people think I'm a psycho... just a quiet weirdo

[Anonymous No.55184024]

>>55183994
Honestly it sucks that they are the only ones cutting and the cuts are "voluntary" The market isn't going to take it seriously for very long unless we start getting real and consistent draws.

It is also really funny they can't steal the nigger countries' quota capacities even though they can't meet their production quotas because they chimp out at meetings.

[Anonymous No.55184054]

Sunday blah day. Sipping my 2nd cup of coffee. Got a pizza on order

[Anonymous No.55184059]

>>55184021
everyone you see everywhere you go knows about the ice baths!

[Anonymous No.55184064]

>>55184021
By all accounts you aren't a psycho but could be perceived as such. If I had as much money as you I probably would be a legit psycho so cheer up.

[Anonymous No.55184074]

>>55184059
I stopped doing that months ago. It wasn't helping with my investing or trading
>>55184064
I'm too neurotic to be a psycho

[Anonymous No.55184077]

>>55184054
Fuck I should order a pizza. I will do that tonight.

[Anonymous No.55184081]

>>55183708
What is wrong with you

[Anonymous No.55184092]

>>55184074
>I stopped
no one knows that part!
btw, do you ever still see the friend you made watching birds?

[Anonymous No.55184114]

>>55184074
Wait were you ice bath anon kek?

[Anonymous No.55184122]

i am impressed you guys can keep your internal monologue on one topic for long enough for stuff like debates
what stock lets you do that?

[Anonymous No.55184136]

>>55184122
DE

[Anonymous No.55184137]

>>55183963
2.7% to 9.3% is a big jump. i wouldnt like those odds.

[Anonymous No.55184139]

>>55184092
No. Well, I might have, from a distance, but I didn't want to bother her.
>>55184114
Yes, but only that other guy was able to figure it out. I guess I got sloppy... bad OPSEC on my part.
That also means I'm the anon with the deformed thumbs...

[Anonymous No.55184142]

>>55184081
I honestly don't know where to begin

[Anonymous No.55184143]

>>55184114
Ice baths only work if you don't dry off immediately after and you let yourself shiver.

[Anonymous No.55184149]

I got your mono log right here.
*poops on the floor*

[Anonymous No.55184151]

>>55184142
it all started with my mom and dad divorcing.

[Anonymous No.55184162]

>>55184151
It did.

[Anonymous No.55184167]

>>55184139
>No. Well, I might have, from a distance, but I didn't want to bother her
holy fuck
i absolutely know that feel

[Anonymous No.55184170]

>>55184137
You read it wrong, anon. Those odds always work like that, it's like the chance of getting a cancer from radiation. I pulled those numbers out of my ass obviously, but it here it would be a 9.3% increase OF THE 2.3% chance of ever getting something. Which in absolute will still be close to the base 2.3% if doing absolutely nothing and living a boring pristine life. Let's say 3%.
Who cares.

[Anonymous No.55184198]

>>55183755
>some post about an autist that had to write a script in notepad on his PC for when he was ordering pizza over the phone.
kek i remember that. i'm not that bad though, when i talk to myself its usually about political views or my views on the markets. i can order food just fine. i just dont want to be getting into political debates or market talk without knowing my shit front to back first

[Anonymous No.55184223]

>>55184139
Poem anon no...not like this.

[Anonymous No.55184257]

>>55184139
that didn't require any "figuring out" btw
i just thought "oh hey, there's poemanon talking about taking ice baths now" and assumed everyone else knew then and there also.

[Anonymous No.55184259]

hmm
SPY puts sure are awfully cheap right about now

[Anonymous No.55184261]

LTMAY yay or nay?

[Anonymous No.55184274]

>futures

[Anonymous No.55184367]

>>55181834
She seemed to believe that a way could be found to make her tech work somehow at some point. I don't get the impression she intended it to be a total scam, that she thought if she just lied long enough for a solution to be found she would be okay.

[Anonymous No.55184427]

>>55184261
how much semiconductors and AI do they have?

[Anonymous No.55184431]

>>55184367
>I don't get the impression she intended it to be a total scam, that she thought if she just lied long enough for a solution to be found she would be okay.
I think thats what it was too. She thought she could get it to work if they had enough funds to do research with.

[Anonymous No.55184435]

Come on gentlemen... we're almost there. We can get this thread across the line.

[Anonymous No.55184439]

>>55184435
niggers

[Anonymous No.55184446]

>>55184435
what line?

[Anonymous No.55184450]

>>55184435
N

[Anonymous No.55184460]

>>55184450
O

[Anonymous No.55184463]

>>55184446
Fuck, I didn't mean THAT line: >>55184439 >>55184450
I just meant... the finish line.

[Anonymous No.55184469]

>>55184435
*Come on gentlemen... we're almost there. We can survive until extended hours trading opens at 7 am

[Anonymous No.55184480]

>market opens
>immediately +2%
Based

[Anonymous No.55184490]

>>55184450
I got banned for posting the letter E a few days ago.
Jannies forgot that i can change my IP in about 1 minute

[Anonymous No.55184503]

Thread to 325

and SPY to 435

[Anonymous No.55184591]

>>55184469
futures opens in 3 hours and 35 minutes

[Anonymous No.55184595]

NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IT'S LIKE
TO BE THE BAD MAN
TO BE THE SAD MAN
BEHIND BLUE EYES

https://youtu.be/4VDDQnvBuLI

[Anonymous No.55184627]

>>55183796
Does Fidelity still have a page with a list of stocks and a red/green bar for the buy/sell ratio? All I can find is these:
https://www.ajbell.co.uk/shares-and-markets/research/what-clients-traded
https://www.fidelity.co.uk/markets-insights/market-data/shares/#tab-link
https://freetrade.io/most-traded-shares
https://www.hl.co.uk/shares/top-of-the-stocks
https://www.ig.com/uk/shares/most-traded-stocks-uk

[FRESH No.55184635]

>>55184573
>>55184573
>>55184573

[Anonymous No.55184664]

>>55184595
>zoomer version

[Anonymous No.55184680]

>>55184664
agreed
thankfully i can immediately hear The Who doing it in my head

[Anonymous No.55184794]

>>55184664
It's worse for you...
It's actually a remix of the millennial version: https://youtu.be/Tr8uesBowS4

[Anonymous No.55184847]

>>55184794
dang
i despised that band in the 90s as i despised all "bro" shit in general
but that was a surprisingly appreciable cover.