/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.55015949]

>work wagie job for 4 years
>started in high school
>started at $10 an hour (it was better than $5 an hour which is how much I made at my old job)
>finally worked my way up to $14 an hour but the starting pay has increased over time
>guy they hired 3 days ago tells me he's making $14.50
I kinda like this job because it's so close to my house but I'm tired of being jewed around. What do I do now? How do I ask for a raise without mentioning that I was discussing wages? Or should I just tell my manager that I was?

[Anonymous No.55015988]

>>55015949
Just tell them you need a raise.
Name the hourly wage you think is fair
You can start filling out applications at places that pay more and give yourself more negotiating power too

[Anonymous No.55016025]

>>55015949
anon i worked for 5 years after high school made about $500 a week then went back to school paid for it with my savings got a cs degree now i make 100k and my quality of life is exactly the same as it was when i made $500/week because of how much the cost of living went up the past 10 years. in hindsight the best thing for me to have done would have been to just take out a mortgage keep my (easy low stress) job and built equity in my home and passively invest as much of my paycheck as i could afford. i dont know if that would work now because houses are much more expensive now but just sharing my empirical experience in case it helps you. good luck

[Anonymous No.55016044]

I’m so fucking tired of Jews and what they’re doing to the honest average Joe.

Sorry that this is happening to you, OP

[Anonymous No.55016056]

>>55015949
Get another job, but don't accept it.
Show the higher rate to the old boss, day you are leaving unless they do better than this.
Say it in a nice way that emphasizes you like being here, and you've shown you can work hard, etc, but a complete stranger with no history will pay you more.

See what they do. Tell them you'll be taking up the new job offer in a day or so unless you come to a good outcome here.

They either come to the party and fix it, or you leave, knowing they don't think you're worth it.

Your only negotiating power is that you can leave.

[Cramer No.55016063]

Gamble and get the fuck out of the job.
>check the filename

[Anonymous No.55016089]

>>55016044
its not inherently the jews. there will be other obstacles once god finally exterminates them all again

its your fault and everyone elses for not dealing with it. do you campaign retards on a daily basis? no, well jews do and so you lose

deal with it or stfu. crying is a waste of energy

[Anonymous No.55016098]

1. Start applying to other jobs until you get at least one offer you would accept
2. Tell them you want the $14.50 plus $4 your raises would have been or you quit because you found another job.

[Anonymous No.55016112]

>>55015949
Ask for a raise, try for $15. Tell them it needs to work financially for you. If they don't give it to you, do a 360 and walk away. You can find work that is heckin walkable or do something else, don't get jew'd like this.

[Anonymous No.55016129]

>>55015949
>>55016112
*If you're working fast food. If you're doing something even semi-skilled ask for more. You have options breh

[Anonymous No.55016144]

>>55016089
>there will be other obstacles once god finally exterminates them all again
Sure, buddy.

[Anonymous No.55016202]

>>55016129
I'm a stocker at a gas station.
I think I still deserve more than 50 cents above starting pay. But then again when I started here, starting pay was $10 an hour. Also we get dollar raises every year we stay here, so I'd be getting a dollar raise this summer anyways.

[Anonymous No.55016229]

>>55016044
Checked and yeah it is pretty fucked up. I'm not doing extremely hard labor but I still work pretty hard for these people and have since I was 17. It's bullshit.

[Anonymous No.55016234]

>>55016089
I have a great income and work-life balance that works for me, however not everyone should need to work some high caliber job to make ends meet. The purchasing power for the part time worker is abysmal

[Anonymous No.55016272]

happened to me three times in one workplace
feels bad fren :\
quit your job and start day trading

[Jealous No.55016287]

>>55015949
>guy they hired 3 days ago tells me he's making $14.50
Nice.

[Anonymous No.55016310]

>>55015949
I know how you feel, I got in debt at a tradeschool and still owe $34k from ten years ago in order to become licensed and certified in a particular field. Back then, starting at $14 was very decent (this is post 2009) considering how everyone and their dog was looking for a job. The other day at Aldi's I noticed a now hiring sign starting $16.50 an hour with medical, paid holidays, and other benefits. A kid fresh out from Highscool earns a little more without specializing in anything and without having to be in debt.

[Anonymous No.55016454]

>>55016310
>A kid fresh out from Highscool earns a little more without specializing
No they don't. Inflation means they would need to make $18.23/hr to match your original 2013 wage of $14/hr. If you started in 2010, $14/hr then is the same as $19.48 now

[Anonymous No.55016710]

>>55016454
Math is Raysis and should be banished so that Niggers don’t look stupid, you bigot pos

[Anonymous No.55017452]

>>55016454
My ass needs 18.34 tbhdesu

[Anonymous No.55017743]

>>55016310
You make more than $16 an hour now tho r-right?

[Anonymous No.55017798]

>>55015988
Pay yourself

[Anonymous No.55017810]

>>55015949
You're supposed to be looking at what job opportunities you have occasionally and comparing it to your current wage. Then you ask your boss for a job or leave for somewhere that pays better.

[Anonymous No.55018211]

>>55015949
This board always reminds me how horribly I get paid just because my parents weren't rich, maybe I don't want to have kids anymore, maybe my biggest goal is to buy some vr headset with PAPA just so I can evade this reality

[Anonymous No.55018288]

>>55015949
You make money faster by switching jobs. You fucked yourself by sticking with what was comfy.

[Anonymous No.55018824]

>>55016272
Legit where would I even get started with that?

[Anonymous No.55018834]

>>55018288
It's often said that choosing the comfort zone leads to stagnation and pain down the line.
>>55017810
Yeah I'm gonna look around and see what other places near me are paying.
Sad that it's come to this where bosses are jewing good workers around.

[Anonymous No.55019116]

>>55018824
there are 3 tools for this
-candle charts
-order book
-a mix of the two with ''bookmap'' ''quantower'' and ''jigsaw''

for candle charts you can use
-adam grimes 2 courses free of charge
https://www.marketlifetrading.com/users/sign_up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDJpR0Qy-Qo&list=PL1uS5NzTxncSGOzsVQVfgOWlnj9pF5ou-


for bookmap, there are free live sessions with bruce pringle on monday, tuesday and friday at 9.30 ET
https://www.youtube.com/@Bookmap_pro/streams


you have to understand that as a retailer you cant trade anya sset you want. you have to pick your battle and stick to what have a good relative amplitude on the intraday chart and what brings decent money in absolute value.
The best assets for this are the indices, typically the futures contracts for the sp500
. With this contract you can earn 50 dollar if the index moves one point in your direction.

My tips is:
-to reduce your greed a lot. like really a lot. target earning 50--10 dollars per day tops, dont dream of getting 1k/day or even more (even though it's possible, at least in theory)
-to always use 2 or 3 lots in order to take partial profit all the time
-to trade the uropean session too, because the first half of the american session is super crabby and that's how you lose money at the beginning.
-to spend 6 months demo trading, even though you think it sucks and it's too long
-to accept that trading is more about psychology than for instance what indicators you use (especially once you reduce your greed an target a gain of 100 dollars per day)
-to take trading seriously, you can't do it on a real account with having a normie job
-to consider high timeframes like 1 week, 1 day and 15min if you struggle too much with the 1min or 3min chart

[Anonymous No.55019131]

>>55019116
for psychology this is the video to watch

Never pay for courses, never pay for indicators, never pay for discord rooms. just watch lots of free videos on youtube and do months of paper trading on tradingview with a free account. I forgot to add that watching mark douglas first and foremost is crucial, he is the guy who wrote trading in the zone.
>Mark Douglas - How to think like a professional Trader (all parts) | Trading Psychology Seminar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s--sCEcYIGI


Dont trade options cfd, shitcoins and forex.
Stocks would eb oaky if they are super liquid and famosu comapnies only. But futures are just better and you need less amplitudes to earn a decent wage.


For the cheap borkers you have ninjatrader, optimusfutures, degiro, ameritrade. With a capital of 1k, you can trade micro ES, with 10k you can trade ES. Earning 100 usd/day is really easy on ES, because it's only 2 points. However people want more and they start fucking up. Accept that you are at the bottom of the food chain. Accept to curb your greed and spread your entries and spread your exits. That the key to the success.

Personally, for determining the entries, i use the divergences of the oscillators like RSI and stochastics and for the exists I use the exponential moving averages. like this guy
https://youtu.be/z3G5CtABVrA
https://youtu.be/Q1h8nuoNgE4

[Anonymous No.55019136]

>>55015949
get a real job, wagie.

[Anonymous No.55019147]

>>55019116
>>55019131
How much is in your trading portfolio to earn 50-100 per day?

[Anonymous No.55019149]

>>55019136
>curries
Will I at least get a cute jeet waifu if I work in the curry factory?

[Anonymous No.55019158]

>>55019116
>>55019131
Thanks for all the info anon.
It seems most of the videos and articles out there are bs so I appreciate that you took the time to type all that.
Saved!

[Anonymous No.55019166]

>>55019149
>cute jeet waifu
Sorry, best we can do is a fat Micronesian chick.

[Anonymous No.55019169]

>>55019116
>to spend 6 months demo trading, even though you think it sucks and it's too long
Demo trading is crap. You miss the oh shit, I'm loosing feel completely.
I'd rather see him 3 months trading and losing 30 (or 300) bucks losing than seeing him loading hundreds of bucks after he 'trained' 6 months demo.

[Anonymous No.55019189]

>>55019166
Well after busting my ass making doorframes all day at least I'll be able to smash some fat tropical bootycheeks.

[Anonymous No.55019217]

>>55019189
>busting my ass
not really, its about two weeks to get used to it and then nbd for the actual work. just don't let them make you work too much OT

[Anonymous No.55019243]

>>55015988
>negotiating power
>flipping burgers
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you're instantly replaceable and your boss doesn't give a fuck about you. OP just start applying to jobs that pay better

[Anonymous No.55019265]

>>55015949
>How do I ask for a raise without mentioning that I was discussing wages?
Why the fuck would it matter? Americans are cucked beyond belief, terrified of confronting their slave masters.

[Anonymous No.55019303]

>>55015949
Temp agencies usually have laborous jobs that pay more and u can get hired on easily so long as u show up to work. Literally no point to work retail or fast food, u could be security guard as well

[Anonymous No.55020044]

>>55019147
its possible to get that with 1000-500 liquid
im speaking from options contracts, but its simmilar
with options your buying power resets every day, and reasonably timed expiries (1-4 day) can run you about $100-400
and if you have a good setup and levels, you can get $50 reasonably quickly and easily

[Anonymous No.55020052]

>>55019131
bump for mark douglas
yes, he has thought of every concern or experience you might encounter and can help you navigate through it

[Anonymous No.55020202]

You play the long game and become the manager.
Your many years there speak in your favor. Play to your strengths.

[Anonymous No.55020298]

>>55016044
Imagine blaming le heckin boogie man because you white trash couldn’t even afford college. Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.55020973]

>>55020298
If we cant blame THE JEWS then we have no idea who to blame next. This feels good for the 4chin brain.

[Anonymous No.55021064]

>>55015949
Dude you are a skillless worthless piece of garbage. You dont deserve more than 14 dollars an hour. Get real faggot zoomer if you dont like it blow your brains out, i guarantee the world wont be affected by it which is in itself proof you dont deserve more than 14 bucks.

[Anonymous No.55021092]

>>55016044
You are worthless replaceabld dogshit. if you dont like that, become an hero.

[Anonymous No.55021114]

>>55015949
This is why I became a manager. Retail wages are fucked by minimum wage unless you become a 6 figure manager, but it’s a long road of bullshit to get there too.

[Anonymous No.55021473]

>>55015949
This is an easy raise request.
You should hast for at least $18.5

[Anonymous No.55021509]

>>55021473
oh never mind, you are at the same level of job, I thought you ranked up the ladder.
It's over

Ask for 15$ at most if the manger likes and counts on you.

[Anonymous No.55021556]

>>55015949
I just graduated and got a senior data analyst position, the "experience required" part of job offer is a scam to limit the number of applications to process, if you have the skills to do it then nothing else matters.

[Anonymous No.55022586]

>>55021556
That's their little mating dance btw
The male is the one with the long nails and he wiggles his fingies in front of the female

[Anonymous No.55022644]

>>55015949
If you are performing same level and not training ask for what new hires are getting. If you are ever required to train the new hires then you need to ask for $18. Current market wage + experience tacked on.

[Anonymous No.55022697]

>>55020298
>>55021092
>>55020973

Shalom

[Anonymous No.55022817]

>>55015949
All the dumbass zoomers itt are giving you fucking stupid advice from their mom's basement that you should ignore.
You don't have any negotiating power because you are unskilled labor. Any attempts to negotiate will go badly for you, and even if you do manage a raise, the manager will resent you for trying to mog him and will sabotage you.
Your years of service don't matter because your job is unskilled and can be learned rapidly by anyone.
I'm not shitting on you man I have been there too, I'm just telling you the reality of your situation.

[Anonymous No.55022895]

>>55015949
>anon realizes that his "experience" has no value.

Many such cases.