hedera hbar

[Anonymous No.54988295]

1,500 TPS monthly demand will stabilize the price at roughly 0.04$
3,000 TPS monthly demand will stabilize the price at roughly 0.08$
6,000 TPS monthly demand will stabilize the price at roughly 0.16$
12,000 TPS monthly demand will stabilize the price at roughly 0.32$
24,000 TPS monthly demand will stabilize the price at roughly 0.64$
48,000 TPS monthly demand will stabilize the price at roughly 1.28$
96,000 TPS monthly demand will stabilize the price at roughly 2.56$

[Anonymous No.54988307]

The best tech in the world can't make up for constantly missed roadmap goals, a shitty marketing team, and two huge projects that turned into vaporware

[Anonymous No.54988341]

>>54988295
>current TPS will stabilize the price at $.025
ogey i will kill myself now

[Anonymous No.54988425]

Hedera will easily be doing 100,000TPS by next bull run so this is amazing news

[Anonymous No.54988429]

>>54988295
Hey man, I was using bad data when I made that, it will actually be closer to 1.2 cents per 10,000 tps. I corrected my calculations by looking through dragonglass and averaging the price per transaction.

Make a copy and play with it yourself, my man.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h3JyOgyLD72c6vJ1m5nKS8NBFvC8vcz2ldDfARuouzQ/edit?usp=share_link

Once again, tps won't have an effect on price until node operators and stakers are paid out based off the TPS coming in, as right now it's a flat 6.5% yearly rate for staking. Once there are permisionless nodes, though, the feedback mechanism will be in place.

I apologize for my lack of due diligence, I was using a calculator I made a year and a half ago and we only really have usable data in for how the TPS is likely to be distributed between usecases about 5 months ago.

Unless NFTS blow up super hard, I don't expect the numbers to change. (NFT's cost $0.001 as opposed to consensus and token services that cost $0.0001

We are gonna make it either way, my friend.

[Anonymous No.54988466]

>>54988295
>>54988307
>>54988341
>>54988425
>>54988429
>disguised Hedera hate thread by btc eth xrp ada algo and icp baggies
>fails to mention xrp and Ada both hit $3 with ZERO product
Cope. Harder. Then kys.

[Anonymous No.54988769]

>>54988466
I am >>54988429, I believe hedera will change the world and have over 300,000 hashes myself. I am just trying to give accurate information. Hedera will have over 10 million TPS within my lifetime, once nodes and sharding is live nothing will stop it.

[Anonymous No.54989038]

>>54988769
We’ll you’re also fucking retarded because 10,000 tps at .0001 is $1. Avg trx fee is higher, if Hedera website is accurate then it’s .001.

[Anonymous No.54989106]

>>54989038
that's not fair.
he created the spreadsheet way before Atma.io took off.
yes, the average transaction fee is 10x higher then based off a flat average of fees.
it's skewed to higher number in the short term because of token/contract creation.

[Anonymous No.54989169]

>>54989106
If you think nfts have crescendoed with moon boys think again. Smart contracts and nfts will go hand in hand, underpinning most of our future fininfra. Yes tps will be insane, but nfts and smart contract costs and rent will also be insane.

[Anonymous No.54989190]

>>54988466
How was I funding retard

[Anonymous No.54989370]

>>54988429
>>54988769
how do I use your spreadsheet to spit out a price per hbag?
I want to see what the model says for
>current tps @ 1k
>only 35 billion in circulation
>only 2/3rds of that 35 billion staked
>and the 0.001 cost per transaction

[Anonymous No.54989520]

https://vocaroo.com/1mLN9gM84WaH

[Anonymous No.54989570]

>>54988429
>>54988769
I also second guess if 66% of circulating supply staked is too optimistic.
eth only 15% of what could be staked is staked.

[Anonymous No.54989834]

Set N to whatever number your stack is. I have it at 100 because it makes the math line up so that I can confirm everything's working properly, you can change it to whatever you need it to be.

I have set the TPS to 1000 I think that's pretty self-explanatory.

Set P to 4.66 repeating, as that's what's described in your initial conditions. (100% * .7 * .6666)

Set V to .001. I leave this to you and keep it at .00012, as I'm driving right now and don't want to have to fuck with my links to the second page or change it back later.

[Anonymous No.54989843]

>>54989370
The selected cell in the attached picture indicates what the price would have to be to reach the rate that you asked for. If I changed the price per Hbar to 0.001, as opposed to 0.00012, then I would expect the price of an hbar given your conditions to be $0.021.

Edit: I realized that there was a go back function so I put your information in and that's in the screenshot but I'm not editing my text.

[Anonymous No.54989893]

>>54989570
That's so funny. I always assumed that basically everyone would always be staking.

Also, I'm going to leave the Google sheets changed to your specifications, except for the price per transaction which I'm reverting back to what I want it to be. So feel free to make another copy of it now with the program closer to what you want it to be

[Anonymous No.54989964]

God damn it I lost some of my explanation somehow. I blame it on the asshole merging into my lane.
The first two line explanations were cut off for some reason.

Set I to anything, it was supposed to figure out what H bar would naturally tend towards over time but I don't know enough about infinite series to make the math work. It only affects things in the bottom right area of the calculator which can be ignored.

Set the average market rate to whatever you think the market will want out of it in terms of Interest per year. Higher interest would require H bar to be worth less, lower makes hbar worth more. I doubt it would be much lower than 6.5% though in a world where the FED is giving 5% interest rates.

[Anonymous No.54990352]

>>54988295
Nigger please, are you really shilling me tradewashing numbers?

[sage No.54990472]

>>54988295
>hedera hbar
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Sage No.54990666]

>>54988295
KEK NGMI

[Anonymous No.54991095]

>>54988295
>HBAR
Not only does it sound like the shittiest coin out there, but it is.

[Anonymous No.54991429]

HBAR is like the Andrew Yang of crypto. Pathetic

[Anonymous No.54992539]

>>54989964

Technically the apy can be anything, so long as TPS is high to keep rewards account at 250mil, the % would just equate to a smaller amt of hbar (not value) as the token increases in price.

Or maybe im retarded,

[Anonymous No.54992645]

im lost with this excel, Im trying to follow, I put the numbers you told me but if I keep everything as is, the # of rewards per day is less than what Im getting now 227k is like 40hbar per day but calc says 15hbar

[Anonymous No.54992702]

>>54992539
alright. here's what I'm thinking.
I plugged in the stuff to the model, I didn't get the right numbers.
so new model.
we've got 1 billion transactions over 10 days.
and over that time, that's 100k (1 billion * 0.0001).
times 36, for total number of days, that's $3.6 million.
that's assuming no change to right now.
alright, well we can do definitely do 10x 1 multi-billion dollar business.
so now we're talking 40 mil.
50 billion coins, lets say there's 25% staking, that's more then eth.
so 40 million divided by 12.5 billion, = 0.0032/coin
that means hbag is currently trading around 10 times more then 10x the revenue should justify.
which, that sounds terrible, but it's not, it's actually really healthy for a speculative asset.
when we had 60k of annual revenue, hbag was worth $0.50.
so just extrapolate.
imagine no new traffic.
1.2 million is 20x 60k.
so we're currently 20x better then we were back then.
son of a bitch, we can actually hit ~$9 this run at peak.
so there are two things to learn.
your model is great, but it's undervaluing human psychology, the speculative nature of this.
many real stocks will be like 40x PE.
basically everything in crypto is like that.

[Anonymous No.54992760]

>>54992702
it's not my document, I'm just a retard trying to get an idea of how rich I'll be in 10-15 years and how many years it will be before I will never have to worry about a "job" ever again (the MOST important)...

for your 1billion/10 days can you extrapolate the f'n to predict how fast it will be in 5 months if we keep going at this rate, like took 1 year for 1 billion + 8 months for 2 billion etc... This metric is what interests me as this has had an exponential growth and we still only have 1 usecase live.... This could be an interesting metric to add

[Anonymous No.54992790]

Why does Leemon look so odd? What race is he

[Anonymous No.54992878]

>>54992760
right now it's 1 billion every 10 days.
'simples as', as the bongs would say.
avery denison is around what 14 billion company?
they're kind of small, in comparison to the other use cases, even though they're massive.
it's a bit like being 6' in a company where everyone is 6'2".
anyways, businesses have been working on their use cases, privately, for around a year or two.
so, we're not gonna see exponential growth.
we're gonna see a series of short term explosions, that make it like the step function they've promised us.
these businesses solutions will just randomly come online and pump transactions by another billion or 2 (as a metric of every 10 days).
so if I had to say, where are we at in December?
I would probably write off December because people want to celebrate Christmas, so really November., and that's still 6 months from now.
and yea, how things are going, I would estimate, based on the trends, we can get 8x the tps we have now.
that does not mean we'll get 8x the price, at December.
the price action is still strongly correlated with btc, for now, at least.

[Anonymous No.54993805]

>>54992790
demon

[Anonymous No.54994338]

>>54988295
bump for reasons

[Anonymous No.54994516]

>>54992645

I tried to explain it in a more coherent way. I'm really tired, tho and it came through poorly I'm sure.

I'm realizing I need to remake this in a way that people who aren't me can understand it.

Thank you for the 15% eth staking insight.

https://youtu.be/tuiHv3Aj19g

[Anonymous No.54994527]

Let me stop you right there. Hedera nodes are ran by corporations dude.

[Anonymous No.54994570]

>>54994527
For now.

[Anonymous No.54994578]

>>54994570
What happens later?

[Anonymous No.54994670]

>>54994578
Right now only council members are able to run nodes. The decentralization plan will enable permission nodes and then permissionless nodes, eventually.

Right now everyone's getting paid 6.5% from the treasury via proxy staking to a council node. But in the future you will be able to run your own node and the amount you get paid will be based off the number of transactions done on the network, as the value will come from the transactions.

Because the fees are denominated in US dollars, it is a self-correcting mechanism. And I'm looking to the blessed day where I can run my own node.

[Anonymous No.54995355]

>>54994670
they need to hurry the fuck up

[Anonymous No.54995770]

Tick tock Hcucks, those billion plus tokens aren’t going to slurp themselves.

Be a good slut and remember to swallow too. These bars aren’t going to exit themselves you stupid pay pig.

[Anonymous No.54996871]

>>54995770
Thats fine, id rather put 5k into hbar than leave it in a bank or put it into stocks. Only thing I need fiat for now is a down payment, and to pay bills. This will be changing within thw next 5 uears once Ill be able to use my hbar as collateral to own more real estate and buy necessities and as a simple man of God, that aint much.

Hbar is inevitable

[Anonymous No.54996909]

>>54995770
if hbar dumps to zero i will still be happy
because i did not spend that money on plastic dildos like you, you compulsive describer of homosexual activities

[Anonymous No.54996914]

>>54995355
It all needs to happen in good time, we need a wide distribution of coins to really be able to make the transition without someone gaining 1/2 of the network control.

>>54996871
God be with you

[Anonymous No.54998097]

>>54996914
Same to you,

Mance spoke about permisioneless nodea coming sooner than later so Ill just keep staking until then. Would also like to reiterate how important De-Rec will be to not only hedera but to crypto in general especially with all these hardware wallets getting hacked when recovering and the nearly impossible act of recovering funds from CEXs. Also batch contracts is also big! The pieces are coming together, TPS is already leagues ahead of the competition, these updates are building the 100 year foundation.

You wanna gamble put 1k into Doge at under 8cents. You want generational wealth put the rest into hbar and keep disregarding clown world.

I may be a hedera maximalist but I see myswlf as more of a minimalist with my investments as there is NOTHING even close to being as good of a "gamble" as Hedera. Why spread myself thin when I can just go all in. If crypto fails, all DLTs fails and out of all the DLTs none come close to hedera. Im not autistic enough to come up with excel files for future predictions as other anons but im just spergy and cynical enough to see the birds from the trees.

[Anonymous No.54999890]

New council member announcement.

I can't wait for the ~16 billion in assets they manage to mean fuck all to the price.

[Anonymous No.55001264]

>>54996914
yeah i agree bro

[Anonymous No.55002061]

>>54999890
whoa really, new council member?
how do you know the announcement is coming up?

[Anonymous No.55002445]

>>54990472
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[Anonymous No.55002504]

>>54988295
I bought 6k HBAR as an excuse to DM May Chan

[Anonymous No.55002720]

>>55002504

[Anonymous No.55002772]

>>54988295
Go to reddi,t

[Anonymous No.55002809]

Does any other coin make consistently the least amount of money the way in that Hedera HBAR does?

[Anonymous No.55003281]

>>54992790
He is one of THEM

[Anonymous No.55004064]

>>55002061
It's already happened, a swiss company with subsidiaries, to hold assets over 16 billion euros.

[Anonymous No.55004761]

>>55002504
leave them alone or i will beat your ass

[Anonymous No.55004772]

>>55004761
talk shit, get hit

[Anonymous No.55004938]

[Anonymous No.55004993]

GIVE ME YOUR HBARS. THEY'RE MINE.

[SAGE No.55005075]

>>54988295
Another jeet scamcoin. I dream of a purge of this board.

[sage No.55005757]

is this shitty thread alive? lmao

[Anonymous No.55006233]

ice age, when?
i can't wait to hunt some mammoths bros

[Anonymous No.55006694]

>>55005757

Bum for anons to see excel file

[Anonymous No.55006863]

How dumb do you have to be to still be buying this stupid shit?

[Anonymous No.55006981]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HSHART

Continue to multiply your hfarts by the the price you think it's going to be a decade from now.
>It's going to be $0.05

[Anonymous No.55008337]

>>55006981
Move that decimal over 3 to the right

[Anonymous No.55009208]

>>55008337
I'm going to say it.
$50 EOY is fud.

[Anonymous No.55009244]

>>54988295
you cant stablize a speculative asset. dumdum

[Anonymous No.55009274]

>>54988466
every hbar thread is either hate or self hate. there are some deluded bagholders sometimes, but they can be filed under the "self hate" category as well

[Anonymous No.55010413]

Honest question to anyone still here, do you think we have enough interest to create an hbar general?

[Anonymous No.55010552]

>>55010413
only one way to find out.

[Anonymous No.55012214]

>>55010413
Put a link to the excel sheet above, in the thread post

[Anonymous No.55014123]

>>54988295
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[Anonymous No.55014459]

>>55014123
>I drew lines on a chart!

That doesn't work, faggot. HBAR is doomed

[Anonymous No.55014870]

We have too many hbar threads, I made a general to contain this bullshit.

>>55014860

[Anonymous No.55015653]

>>55014123
did this ever worked?

[Anonymous No.55016485]

>>55014123
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[Anonymous No.55016748]

>>55016485
Literally you. Lmao

[Anonymous No.55017196]

>>54988295
>HBAR
This jeeetshills don't have a shred of shame.