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[Anonymous No.54827408]

I'm starting a manufacturing job making $16 an hour 12 hours a day.
Is my life over?

[Anonymous No.54827430]

>>54827408
You'll likely quit after a month, so no.

Manufacturing is a dead end though.

[Anonymous No.54827447]

>>54827408
Just enjoy the pent up rage and motivation you'll feel, then strive to better your circumstances.

[Anonymous No.54827453]

>>54827408
I have an IT degree and certs but can't find a job for that. I'm at the point where I need money to live

[Anonymous No.54827470]

>>54827408
thanks anon i was feeling demoralized but then i read this post

[Anonymous No.54827558]

>>54827453

What kind of certs do you have? Do you home lab things?

Without any experience you have to fight your way through tier 1 helpdesk jobs where you are assigning / troubleshooting the most basic tickets. Assuming you're in the US, good luck making more than 20$ an hour starting out. IT is broad but pays bad until you git gud. But first you must wade through the swamps of indian technicians, arcane forum postings, and semi relevant youtube videos to the problem at hand.

Years will go by and you will still feel as if you hardly know anything. At least it has been like that for mtself.Good luck.

[Anonymous No.54827570]

Welcome to chinmerica

[Anonymous No.54827597]

>>54827408
why, retard

[Anonymous No.54827608]

>>54827408
Why did you take this job? Just become a security guard, you'll get paid more for less hours. Fucking hell, 12 hours a day. I can barely do 8

[Anonymous No.54827615]

>>54827408
If you've never worked 12 hours shifts before or in a factory setting before, know you're in for a really miserable fucking time. If you think being a standard wagie for 8 hours is bad, wait until you feel what those extra four hours feel like. I seriously doubt you'll still be there next month, but if you've found yourself in this situation, yes, you are probably badly fucked. However, there is hope anon. Get a CDL and be a truck neet instead for comfier wages

[Anonymous No.54827625]

>>54827615
Papers please

[Anonymous No.54827661]

>>54827615
You literally just drive, listen to podcasts, and play vidya in the sleeper in the back. Most of the truck stops are extremely well equipped and you will no longer wish you were dead every second

[Anonymous No.54827694]

>>54827408
I would an hero if I had that life, damn

[Anonymous No.54827698]

>>54827558
just comptia A+ right now. I already know it's pretty useless, but I figured I would've been able to get a damn help desk job with it.
I have a home server that I do different projects on

[Anonymous No.54827723]

>>54827558

Replying to my own post to further add with my own lived (gnostic?) experience. Not trying to demoralize. I don't have a degree but with 5 years of working low level wagie helpdesk tickets I was able to talk my way into a liveable wage. 6fig burger bucks. My niche relies on being able to intelligently talk about distributed systems from a big picture perspective. I live in a tech hub and employers don't care as much about a degree as you might think. I've had job offers for 6 figs without even having to touch a CLI during the interviews. The better engineers I know do not have a compsci/IT degree. They are autodidactic logicians with a passion for learning that is impelled, in part by the wagie desire to not be homeless. In short, get on your grind lil nigga and you can stack bread in your

[Anonymous No.54827770]

Show up to work on time every day.
Do your job and don't complain.
After you are good at your job start asking your boss how you can move up in the company.
Congrats you move up fast and beat out 99% of zoomers.
You will make much more $ in manufacturing than IT, this will be replaced by AI.

[Anonymous No.54827776]

>>54827698
Comptia A+ usually isn't enough. It is a good starting point. It sounds like tired advice but try getting aCCNA if you're going down the hardware/networking/systems troubleshooting route. The certs will only take you so far. There needs to be an implicit knowing of things + a niche skill in the field that makes you considered legit in the eyes of peers/colleagues.

[Anonymous No.54827781]

>>54827770
Lol

[Anonymous No.54827784]

>>54827408
What are you manufacture OP? Something cool like craft whiskey?

[Anonymous No.54827795]

>>54827770
This is FUD. Not all of IT will be replaced by AI. Someone has to keep the machines and their interlinked hardware running throughout various technological lifecycles and implementations of new physical tech. Think of the billions of aging routers and cables that will eventually need replacing. AI can't do that.

[Anonymous No.54827879]

>>54827615
>Get a CDL
Google search on "free CDL". Lots of companies need drivers and will pay you while you learn., Got my free CDL B through N.J. Transit.

[Anonymous No.54827896]

>>54827615
>Get a CDL
Google search on "free CDL". Lots of companies need drivers and will pay you while you learn., Got my free CDL B through N.J. Transit

[Anonymous No.54827924]

Do you at least get paid overtime for those 4 extra hours each day?

[Anonymous No.54827990]

>>54827776
I on the other hand have over a decade of practical but not professional experience of troubleshooting all of the usual basic shit, data recovery off of conventional hard disks that had seized or failed, install and setup of home broadband and DSL connections with their wireless APs, with both stock and custom firmwares, PC builds and maintenance, Windows ADS setup and administration for remote hosts, local and remote Linux and BSD hosts configured for live web services, proxy and caching services on Linux hosts for customer facing services in the front end, and local and remote caching proxies for sqlserv and mongodb and postgresql databases in the backend on both Windows and Linux hosts with a solid understanding of the basic underpinnings of the ntfs, ext4 and zfs filesystems with relation to write and access performance and patterns on physical and virtual local and remote hosts, experience with configuration and management of popular container orchestration tools and toolchain development stacks for writing and testing native applications on both Windows and Linux, also wanting to learn BSD(M), with comfortable working knowledge of bash, powershell, and git.
I'm an unemployable retard.

[Anonymous No.54828059]

>>54827625
If they had any brains they would demand that the DOD and the airforce institute a DMZ at the borders and secure them with live minefields scattered by air drop from fixed wing aircraft. cheap, efficient, and sure as hell reliable.

[Anonymous No.54828063]

>>54827990
We live in the age of the niche. Automation is peeling away the need for broad, general expertise. Hone your knowledge on one specific area and yagmi.

[Anonymous No.54828103]

>>54828063
I actually wasn't being facetious.
I'm trying, and I'm not starting from scratch by any stretch, but I have no professional experience and no network to lean on. I'll have to pay my way to sit for those damn certificates and it still might not be enough.
I feel like I'd have more luck conducting my own business. I'm hoping for anything that'll keep me on my feet and allow me to work both with software but also on physical hardware.

[Anonymous No.54828198]

I will say I've been keeping up with the Maths, statistics, and CS coursewares Harvard and MIT have been doing since lockdown, staying on top of the materials and looking for more, which has helped me through learning how to write, build and reverse engineer applications, along with learning more about compilers and cross compilation between windows, linux, and android.
At this rate, I'll have finished products I can possibly sell before I can get sustainable employment like a fucking normal person.
Thanks for reading my blog.

[Anonymous No.54829425]

>>54827408
Your life ends when your biggest source of income is a gambling site with duckies and candy that pays you to join one of two factions per month...
Living like this sucks, but Pool Party is paying me so well that I'm not complaining.

[Anonymous No.54829480]

>>54827990
if you want to learn bdsm just buy a gimp suit and pop down to your local gay bar. not exactly hard is it stop crying

[Anonymous No.54829514]

>>54827408
As someone who's in their late 30's and worked more then my share of shitty production jobs, I can tell you 12 hour shifts are always untenable in the long run.

The human body isn't meant to stand in one place and do repetitive tasks for that long, your feet and knees are going to be fucked by the 2nd day.

Realistically how long do you think you can keep up a schedule where after factoring lunch break and commute you're on the job for 13 hours a day? With 7 hours of sleep that leaves you 4 hours to do everything else, shower, shit, eat, cook, do laundry, etc.

Then by the time your extra long weekend comes along you will feel so fucked up it will take a full day and a half of bed rest to recover.

There is a reason over time pay starts after 8 hours and goes for 1.5 the going rate.

[Anonymous No.54829535]

>>54827770

>move up in the company
>in manufacturing

[Anonymous No.54829565]

>>54829535
The worst part is being a supervisor typically means you make like 20% more with 50% more responsibility.

[Anonymous No.54829592]

Lots of lazy zoomer faggots itt

[Anonymous No.54829629]

>>54827924
>t. summerfag doesn't realize OT kicks in after 40hrs into your shift

[Anonymous No.54829649]

>>54827924
Of course not they'll have OP sign an averaging agreement.

[Anonymous No.54831569]

>>54827990
Even with those skills, I think you'd have to suffer through low level corporate helpdesk for a few years to understand the IT grift. Having a solid understanding of Linux filesystems is a good start. I don't do any database monkey stuff so I cannot offer advice there. Ive seen a number of medium/large organisations that don't even have much of a Linux presence in their network/server system not including the things running some embedded version of Linux with limited CLI access. After a few years of helpdesk you could probably get a job at a small/medium organization taking care of some of their servers. When I say heldesk I mean fielding tickets that range from 'help I need my lenovo password reset' or 'we plugged these 3 new computers in and they can't reach the internet' or 'our paging system has a bug in its latest firmware' to 'we need to add a global NAT rule to the new firewall array in our DMZ to allow it to BGP peer with a newly acquired company's network' or '11 out of our 50-odd domain controllers are not replicating properly after working fine for the last 6 months'. There is a whole gamut of things out there that you will see. At the low tiers of heldesk, the expectation of you is to not solve everything but do the most initial of troubleshooting before sending it off to the proper channels (ie. tenured organization staff/consulting teams who understand the system at an implicit level). You need to see hundreds of problems/tickets on a network larger than your home's flat VLAN that was autoconfiged by your ISP router. Assuming you've learned something after all of those hundreds of tickets you have a chance at being employable at a living wage.

[Anonymous No.54831604]

>>54827408
that sounds fucking awful lmao

[Anonymous No.54831609]

>>54827408
probably. i worked in a factory for 2.5 years on rotating shifts. there was variety in the sense that we rotated through different jobs, but it was extremely boring for the most part. the worst job was a tie between
>pulling boards out of a 400 degree press (double gloved hands), rotating them, and shoving them into a drying rack. 12 boards a minute for 8-12 hours. fumes made your eyes water and cry. unbearably hot in the summer.
>grading painted boards for defects. 6 spotlights shining on a conveyor belt. 1 board every few seconds. visual hallucinations toward the end of a shift because of how insane the task was.
the only cool jobs were running the press while the operator was on break, and driving forklifts.

[Anonymous No.54831649]

>>54827770
t. retard who never worked in manufacturing

i had a coworker who went to county jail but kept his job because of FMLA leave secondary to admitting he had a drug addiction problem. he got out of jail after a few months, came back to work, and almost immediately won a bid on a higher paying job within the factory, because he had built seniority while in jail and bids were scored on the basis of things like seniority.

[Anonymous No.54831657]

I promise you being homeless is a way better option

[Anonymous No.54831664]

>>54827408
46k a year post tax and you can even live homeless the other 12 hours

[Anonymous No.54831691]

I am working in a warehouse and get $24 CAD/hr. It's hard work. 12 hour days 3 days a week. But it is helping me fund renovations, I am selling my house after renovating, then renting a retail space and going full-time into my gaming PC side hustle. If you know the job is a step on your life path vs the final destination, you can enter a mental zone where it's not bad at all and you can actually enjoy the simplicity of the job for a period of time. Good luck man

[Anonymous No.54831704]

>>54831569
you are such a boring motherfucker

[Anonymous No.54831742]

>>54827453
Think about it this way. Factories, especially second shift have such a high turn over rate it won't be too difficult to move up. Best advice is dont miss work or be late and don't dick around especially if you have downtime, it gets noticed even if no one says anything to you. Also, material handlers generally make more than operators so that could be an easy jump initially.

[Anonymous No.54831743]

>>54831704
I would never fuck my mom

[Anonymous No.54831759]

>>54827770
Pretty sure everyone laughing at this post has never worked in manufacturing.

[Anonymous No.54831767]

>>54831704
Tech people are literally like that, I think it is strivctly due to cowardice. If you are around men that arent cowards all you have to do is look them in the eye and give them your word and they trust you with their own life. Not with tech. With tech you must prove you can do 10x what the job requires, with absolute fluidity no friction at all. They want this confidence because they are sniveling cowards.

[Anonymous No.54831771]

Not all factory work is laborious. Did you get put into a good department or position? Is there an easy path to management?

I worked at a bottom of the barrel warehouse as a summer job once. Worst department, heavy shit to lift constantly, so much turnover that I was the 2nd most tenured guy on the team after 3 months of work.

[Anonymous No.54831814]

>>54831759
no it's a retarded post and you'd need to have a chromosomal defect to find it plausible.

[Anonymous No.54831818]

>>54827408
>Is my life over?
Yes.
t. $26AUD an hour manufacturing pleb

[Anonymous No.54831832]

>>54827770
This is true but it only works if there arent a bunch of people ahead of you in line. If you have to jump over 10 people with 15 years at thr company then forget about it. Best is to find a company that is growing rapidly.

[op No.54831847]

Get ready to live at the plant for less than $40k a year. Find a click to hang out with at work or you will be miserable and everyone will talk shit behind your back. Guys who work these jobs think they are the best person to ever run that machine even though it only takes anyone off the street 2 weeks of training to master pushing the buttons and cleaning up their area.

[Anonymous No.54831892]

>>54831767
Not sure if you're calling me a coward or IT types in general. I'm tall and /fit/ and am not autistic to the point that I avoid eye contact with people. It is true that most people in the field are either skinnyfat betas or desk ogres that hardly see the light of day. Lots of those people are cowards in normal social interactions but are often very confident in the couple of tech skills they have. I'm only referring to senior engineers/techs that have real experience and are 'important' enough to work on company infrastructure projects that have 6+ figure budgets. Everyone in IT that does not do those things takes orders from someone who does.

[Anonymous No.54831896]

>>54831767
Not sure if you're calling me a coward or IT types in general. I'm tall and /fit/ and am not autistic to the point that I avoid eye contact with people. It is true that most people in the field are either skinnyfat betas or desk ogres that hardly see the light of day. Lots of those people are cowards in normal social interactions but are often very confident in the couple of tech skills they have. I'm only referring to senior engineers/techs that have real experience and are 'important' enough to work on company infrastructure projects that have 6+ figure budgets. Everyone in IT that does not do those things takes orders from someone who does.

[Anonymous No.54831927]

>>54829629
Depends on the company. I've worked in several places where OT is considered anything past 8 hours a day, though 2/3 of these where Unionized so they collectively bargained for that

[Anonymous No.54832242]

>>54827408
It must be very tolesome

[Anonymous No.54832313]

you are doing great, bro. you will literally make more than every investor on /biz/ with absolute certainty that if you put in the hours, you will get payed a set amount, 0 risk. i too work in manufacturing. industry is solid. i despise the concept of making money of off money, although i'm guilty of it and lost money.

[Anonymous No.54832344]

>>54827408
I was really into cnc as a teen. My secondary (high) school even sold me their Denford Orac cnc lathe after I started trying to build my own from scratch; literally casting the sucker following dave gingerlys how to build a lathe book.

I've look at some machinist jobs but the pay honestly isn't all that impressive. Need to already be conversationally familiar with fanuc and various other controls, go from diagram to finished parts etc. Not far off minimum wage, 12h shift.

Being able to program, setup and run massive machining centres etc, I'd definitely rate that as enhanced skill. It's very definitely not something commonly taught at school. It also requires a very inherent understanding of materials, tooling, the machine itself and geometry.

[Anonymous No.54832440]

>>54832344
very cool. i'd like to one day have my own workshop with a late, a column drill, milling machines, welding equipment, etc. and work on a farm, with a good wife, children, a car and 80 k in cash. just apply to a machinist jobs, as long as you're enthusiastic, you might get in and they will teach you everything.

[Anonymous No.54832460]

>>54832344
cnc is a meme unless you work for a specialized industry, like aerospace, medical device, optics, nuclear, etc.

[Anonymous No.54832466]

>>54827408
Thats barely 1k a week, you could become a labourer make atleast 1k a week and work 40 hours.
Dont thinks its worth it mate

[Anonymous No.54832498]

>>54832460
consent non consent is rape.
Luckily for you, I'm Chris Hansen, and I like rape!

[Anonymous No.54832538]

>>54827408
i would say if you are in a cheap area then yea, but if its near a major western city will be hard to finance your life

[Anonymous No.54832594]

>>54832460
or simply produce products and sell them. no need for high tech applications. consumers will buy anything that catches their eye.

[Anonymous No.54832674]

>>54827770
>move up in the company

[Anonymous No.54832732]

>>54827453
I bet that manufacturing job pays overtime. You’re so lucky to get it.

[Anonymous No.54835293]

>>54831759

I've worked in manufacturing for a decade. Hard work is not a reliable way to move up, outside of moving to a slightly higher position on the floor, assuming you don't have to compete against a senior/superior ass-kisser for the job. If you work hard at a job that nobody else wants to do, you'll be stuck on it because they know no one else wants to run it, and don't want to jump through the hoops to find your replacement. If the company relies on peer reviews (co-workers giving their opinion on your performance, behavior etc) and someone else with more time in wants a promotion, or someone else sucks up to the supervisor and you don't, they'll throw you under the bus. If you get a decent gig in the plant, people that want to get in your area and/or people who work on opposite shifts will try to fuck you over to make themselves look good.

It's very rare that any place nowadays allows a floor worker to move into an office position, and if you want that, you'll have to become such a slimy, backstabbing cocksucker to pull it off that you have to be certain you're capable of going all the way without exposing yourself.

A lot of these plants have suffered so much in terms of workforce after covid that it's a borderline free-for-all. My last job wouldn't even confront a guy that threatened to shoot the president of the company over the vaccine mandates because they just couldn't find anyone to work. In fact, he got promoted into my area by sucking at all the other jobs, never making production and was even awarded with something that looked like a pistol case which was found in the IT office.

[Anonymous No.54835438]

>>54827408
16/hour sounds like entry level utility work
i'm a financial controller in a factory, and i can tell you this with confidence
if you're reliable, perform good work, and especially have a positive attitude, you'll probably be a supervisor in 3-5 years, and a department manager in 10 years, give or take
if you're not any of those things, you'll remain in wage hell
since you have a degree in IT, it seems unlikely that you want to be a manufacturing supervisor/manager, so if the plan is just to bide your time for a year or so, it doesn't really matter what you do, as long as you show up

[Anonymous No.54836150]

>>54831569
Spent a couple months solid playing with different tls and ssh implementations, learning how to configure firewall rules and caching proxies when I was teaching myself about how to configure and network containers, both on linux and android. Android doesn't support networking containers by default because of Google's security policies imposed on their kernel, but you can work around the restrictions in a pretty messy way.
I think in recent years there are tools that let you run it natively whereas you couldn't do shit when I was starting out.

I was able to play around with nginx, kubernetes, and a myriad of infrastructure management tools, but the scale and amount of data I was using doesn't translate to anything in the real world; it was just a shitty time sink learning to play with toys.
It's helping me out while I've been playing with stable diffusion and llama on my own shit.

[Anonymous No.54836302]

I'm still not as screwed as this guy
>>54827408

[Anonymous No.54836453]

>>54831691
The thing that sucks about warehouse jobs is that a lot of those places intentionally avoid teaching you transferrable and useful skills. I've seen people waste 4 years of their life at those places because "the money was good" but they had to do so much mandatory overtime they never had any time to develop other useful marketable skills, so they just felt like they were at a dead end and wasted time.

[Anonymous No.54836783]

>>54836453
This is exactly it. It's modern slavery all dressed up. Overtime is deceptively a life killer.

[Anonymous No.54837075]

>>54827770
this
>t.no degree and moved up in manufacturing and now at least have an office inside the factory

[Anonymous No.54837264]

>>54836783
Yep that's how people get stuck in warehousing their entire lives. I've seen people who were completely ok with being at a near bottom position at a warehouse despite having been working there for decades. When I was working at one, I remember this guy who got a two month parking pass for his "20th anniversary at the job" and he couldn't have been happier about it, like that's what he truly felt like he had deserved after 20 years of his life.

It made me realize how grim it really is, this guy gave his good years to this place and the only thing they can do is give him a parking pass for two months to make it easier for him to get to work and do the 12 hour shift 6 days a week lol. lmfao even. He wasn't even getting paid much more than what my starting pay was. 20 years and he still needs to have a permission slip to park his car right next to the warehouse instead of the 10 minute walk from the entrance. If layoffs ever happened he would be one of the first ones to go and one of the last ones to come back, because he's a low level worker. I ended up getting out of there after a few more months because I was afraid of ending up like him.

[Anonymous No.54837273]

>>54835438
>financial controller in a factory
how much do you make and what does your resume look like? i'm a senior accountant and i'm interested in plant controllership... but i have no experience with cost accounting, other than college coursework like 5 years ago.

[Anonymous No.54837362]

>>54827408
why not become an embalmer? Requires no degrees, six figure starting salary. High demand job that is short staffed and things are only getting worse because the business is booming. Srlsy why not?

[Anonymous No.54837519]

>>54837273
120k, with a bonus that can range from 0-30%, although 15% is "expected" if we hit targets
have only been in this position for a year, previously...
2 years as a plant operations analyst
4 years as cost accountant
1 year as an accounting intern

[Anonymous No.54837633]

>>54836150
With those skills you should be employable at an entry level. It is entirely reasonable. Assuming you are white-- in america, for tier 1 helpdesk you are constantly competing with H1bs who will work for 12hr days for pennies, latinos in call centers in central america who are hired for corporate tax evasion, and mainland pajeets still on the subcontinent who work regular east coast hours out of places like Lahore, Begaluru and Hyderabad. There is lots of competition there due to how much cheaper they are to hire than you. Level 1 helpdesk is saturated but not an impossible barrier of entry. You just need realistic expectations.

Look for smaller/mid sized corpos that have an american presence in either healthcare/manufacturing/ or governemt that requires live bodies near the physcial equipment that is being worked on. That is your best bet. The rest of this is boomer advice but you need to stand out, show initiative, be reliable, while showing that you're willing to work odd hours. Many of these IT jobs (even comfy remote ones) require weekend/overnight maintence that is not constant, but often enough that someone has to do it. Also the meme of >DUDE JUST LEARN ALL OF THE PROTOCOLS AND MODULES IN YOUR SPARE TIME AND STUDY NETWORKING, SERVER ADMINISTRATION WHILE STUDYING 1337CODE WHILE WATCHING EVERY YOUTUBE VIDEO ON TECH LMAO

... is a very real thing if you want to make it

[Anonymous No.54837664]

>>54837362
Are you one? How do I get into this?