/XMR/ Monero General

[Anonymous No.54753985]

Welcome to the Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's leading decentralized P2P privacy cryptocurrency!

Monero is secure, low-fee, and fungible, meaning users can send XMR around the globe despite corrupt governments or broken financial systems. Innovative privacy features such as Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses, and Ring CT ensure that Monero's blockchain is obfuscated -- In other words, the financial history of all Monero users is encrypted from the prying eyes of adversaries on a public blockchain, with transactions being visible only by a user willingly providing a view key.

Monero has also improved upon the scaling downsides of current popular cryptocurrencies. To avoid high fees, dynamic block size ensures that the size of the blocks will increase as the amount of transactions increases. Further, the mining network algorithm RandomX establishes that anybody with a CPU can participate in mining, preventing the ASIC miner domination that creates a high barrier to entry. Lastly, the mining network will be preserved by Tail Emission -- instead of the block reward falling to zero like with Bitcoin, the block reward gradually approached 0.6 XMR in June 2022, where it will forever stay. This constant linear inflation means the inflation rate will asymptotically go to zero while continuing to provide an incentive to miners to maintain the network.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.

XMR Redpill: https://yewtu.be/wq6w03E2DS4

XMR Stats: moneroj.net

USE Monero: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/

OFFICIAL WEBSITE - getmonero.org

WHERE TO GET MONERO?

>KYC:
Kraken
Binance
Bitfinex

>Non KYC:
LocalMonero
Morphtoken
Bisq
Kucoin
Tradeogre
Crypto ATMs
see: kycnot.me

>Mining
archive.is/TWOah

HOW TO STORE MONERO?

>Desktop
Official Gui/Cli
Feather

>Mobile
IOS: Cakewallet
Android: Monerujo

[Anonymous No.54753991]

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>54711868

[Anonymous No.54753997]

START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL
START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

[Anonymous No.54754002]

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

[Anonymous No.54754005]

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Buy silver/gold bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.win/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Archetyp
>Astra #
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Dark Matter
>Darkmoon
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Mellow Market
>Retro Market
>Sonanza Market #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/icMJeHJS


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Elude EXIT SCAMMING! AVOID!
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/AnkqVGjp


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

[Anonymous No.54754008]

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE


>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

[Anonymous No.54754013]

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

[Anonymous No.54754026]

>>54753985
>still waiting for somebody to use AI to create a realistic-styled imagery of monero chan

I would but I'm lazy. Surely one of you folks can do it?

[Anonymous No.54754056]

Check out the weekly opsec discussion! Weekly topics will remain available on pastebin, and if you have a suggestion for a future topic you would like to see covered be sure to let me know!
>Previous Weeks Discusison
PGP - pastebin.com/K5uK4vvg
File Verification - pastebin.com/64jdYSua

>In the name of good opsec, my public key will be available in future discussion posts, and link reposts like this one.
pastebin.com/kiEVscyb

[Anonymous No.54754182]

>>54754026
There was a chad in a previous general posting some but ifucked up and didnt save it. Surely another monerochad did

[Anonymous No.54754258]

>>54754056

BASED

[Anonymous No.54754314]

Threadly reminder that there is now a parallel XMR General on the darknet imageboard BitChan where you can post with the absolute maximum degree of privacy possible.

Why bother? Well, remember that every time you post on 4chan the content + your IP address are being logged and that data can and will be made available to LE/glowies upon request.

So if you need to ask a very delicate question, want to make a potentially incriminating announcement or you otherwise just absolutely positively DO NOT WANT to risk being deanonymized, the BitChan thread would be the place to do it.

The slightly higher barrier to entry also serves as a badly needed retard filter so a lot of us post there simply to avoid the hordes of mouth breathers that befoul this otherwise delightful basket weaving forum.

>How do I access BitChan?

You need to have I2P configured & running on your device. Fortunately, pre-configured browser bundles are now available and make everything easy. Since most of you lazy faggots are still using Windows we'll default to that for the following guide:

1. Visit https://i2pd.website/ and click on 'Download I2PdBrowser'.
2. Download either the I2PdBrowserPortable_xxx.7z or .exe file. Extract/install it.
3. Run the StartI2PdBrowser.bat batch file to launch. Adjust firewall settings/port forward as required. Port forwarding > UPnP

A cmd window will pop up and initialize the process. A windowed Firefox instance should soon appear. DO NOT RESIZE IT! Browser fingerprinting is a thing. Once pic-related appears you are officially browsing the darknet! You can monitor yr I2P service by visiting http://127.0.0.1:7070/ in yr *regular* browser.

Then simply copy/paste the following link into the address bar as per usual:

http://bitchan.i2p/thread/BM-2cVPN9mi9oBKATjNxKkopHJSCU9ah7wQwW/047186ce462d

You may have to complete a CAPTCHA on your first visit. Also, NEVER, EVER ENABLE JAVASCRIPT!!!!

Keep in mind that page loading takes longer on the darknet, so be patient.

[Anonymous No.54754861]

>>54754314
Any i2pchads know how i can fix the symmetrical NAT issue? I know it works on my end regardless, but id like to support the network. I was thinkjng of running a router in a linux vm, and thinking if i use a vpn w/static ip that may resolve the issue?

[Anonymous No.54754962]

Is the an Android app for offline signing transactions?
Repurposing a phone as a hardware wallet seems like a good use for an old phone.

[Anonymous No.54755004]

>>54754013
>And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.
retarded take
unless libs get their way and install more wind turbines lol

[Anonymous No.54755461]

Reporting in,
fuck Bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.54756416]

Reminder, if it isnt POW its a scam,
If it isnt ASIC resistant, its a scam

[Anonymous No.54756552]

Bangladesh is Monero country.

[Anonymous No.54756596]

>>54754861

I think this may be an ISP-level issue.

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54757411]

##################################
Mine in Swimng Pool - https://pastebin.com/raw/Mb7Dyg24
IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
##################################
Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

[Anonymous No.54757553]

I love Monerochan.

[Anonymous No.54757560]

What mini PCs should I buy to mine monero? Intel NUCs?

[Anonymous No.54757636]

>>54757560

You don't buy hardware to mine XMR, you use what you already have.

[Anonymous No.54757705]

14.75 XMR worth of bounties here, applicable skills include art, graphic design, mobile app dev, micropython, and general programming
https://github.com/mjg-foundation/passport2-monero/issues

[Anonymous No.54757735]

Any news on more terrorist groups or cartels adopting monero?

[Anonymous No.54757799]

Shitcoin

[Anonymous No.54757938]

I summon Captain Blackbeard from the depths of the deep darknet so that I can give him some Neros for his cyber art.

[Anonymous No.54758164]

are there any legit surgeons accepting xmr yet?

[Anonymous No.54758240]

>>54758164
No

[Anonymous No.54758309]

Can Monero reach 10,000$ ?

I mean CBDCs will be established in the coming years and we all know how dangerous that will be, so Monero must gain in value price wise.

Because what alternative will there be if I dont want the Gov spying on me? Zcash?

[Anonymous No.54758328]

[Anonymous No.54758353]

>>54757735
>Any news on more terrorist groups or cartels adopting monero?

Likely happening through osmosis.

[Anonymous No.54758369]

>>54757799
>Shitcoin

Yes.

[Anonymous No.54758368]

>>54753985
Why has monero bled sats for so long?

[Anonymous No.54758407]

>>54758309
>Can Monero reach 10,000$ ?

Who cares? Monero works at any price.


>I mean CBDCs will be established in the coming years and we all know how dangerous that will be, so Monero must gain in value price wise.

Probably


>Because what alternative will there be if I dont want the Gov spying on me? Zcash?

lol

[Anonymous No.54758462]

>>54758368
>Why has monero bled sats for so long?

Why am I running out of places to spend sats on the darknet?

[Anonymous No.54758639]

>>54756596
It is, due to the NAT, that why im thinking if i used a vpn with a static ip that may remedy it, but i dont know for sure, or if thats going to cause latency issues

[Anonymous No.54758642]

>>54758164
>are there any legit surgeons accepting xmr yet?
Me XD

[Anonymous No.54758690]

>>54758639
>or if thats going to cause latency issues

Its the darknet, latency is expected and tolerated.

[Anonymous No.54758864]

>>54758690
Oh definitely, im familliar with the expectations in i2p and tor, im moreso just spitballing possible issues here. I guess its worth a try either way

[Anonyɱous No.54758898]

>>54758164
>tradesmen, professionals accepting XMR?
Gotta ask em. Some do. Pay em for a product or service, not my problem between them and the tax goys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGwoVVkIHw0

[Anonymous No.54759378]

Reminder that the /XMR/ bookclub is now a thing.

>What book?
The Sovereign Individual
>Where to get it?
With explanation: https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/#books
From the tracker: tracker2.postman.i2p/index.php?view=TorrentDetail&id=69603
Clearnet magnet link also available on the website if you don't have i2p.
>Which chapters and for when?
Chapters 7-8, we'll finish and discuss this Sunday (30th of April). Yes it has been cut down as to not put too many pages in one week.
>Where to discuss?
For now, keep it in /XMR/. Alternatives like bitchan.i2p or XMPP/matrix groupchats could be considered i n the future.

>Chapter 7: Transcending locality: The emergence of the Cybereconomy
>Chapter 8: The end of egalitarian economics: The revolution in earnings capacity in a world without jobs

For any more info as to how, check out
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/#guide
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/#where
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/#explore

Past weeks
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/sig/week2.html
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/sig/week1.html
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/sig/

[HEX HEX HEX HEX HEX HEX HEX HEX HEX No.54759759]

>>54758309
Not as quick as one might wish. Monero is more of a longterm pump. Its future pumps might resemble those of the last two bullruns. XMR maybe will shoot upwards quick but not much above its last ATH when it crashes, it will stay fairly above its current price. The thing is that Monero is the one network that‘s actually used. People buy it and dump it quickly for whatever purpose that currency has for them. Adoption is bearish, not bullish.

[Anonymous No.54759790]

>>54759378
Shame, I like nationalism and prejudice, though.

[Anonymous No.54759798]

I'm so tired of maxis sabotaging any project better than betacoin just to pump their bags, bros

[Anonymous No.54759916]

>>54759759
>Adoption is bearish, not bullish.

Do you even realize how utterly retarded that sounds? Adoption is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value, price is just what you pay.

[Anonymous No.54760383]

Does the sovereign individual apply to farmers in the end the book points out all the ways farmers can be cucked by someone else by the sole fact farmers are sitting ducks

[Anonymous No.54760414]

>>54758369
Try posting this meme again when you aren't down 98% from your high

[Anonymous No.54760509]

>>54760414
>Try posting this meme again when you aren't down 98% from your high

Irrelevant clownworld metric. Price action means nothing in an irrational market rife with wash trading, genius, see dog memes in the Top 10.

Monero's time comes once sanity returns to the market.

[Anonymous No.54760596]

>>54759916
define adoption

[Anonymous No.54760777]

>>54760596
>define adoption

Sustained & growing utilization by non-speculators as a medium of exchange in a real-world economy for the purchase/sale of goods & services.

HOLDING ≠ ADOPTION.

[Anonymous No.54761112]

>>54759790
Once the logic of the internet and the cyber economy have fully played out, there will be sovereignties of every variety including ones favorable to the values you mentioned, though the word "nationalism" will be an anachronism. As information technology continues to push the world towards a globalized future, nationalist based organizations and movements will continue popping up within dying nation states to fruitlessly counter this change. We've already seen the Trump episode which was hugely popular.
The movements that find long term success will be ones which build themselves up in current shitholes as small enclaves, completely separate from nation states

[Anonymous No.54761380]

wen

[Anonymous No.54762355]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnKrMKo_WlU

[Anonymous No.54762382]

>>54762355
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgpKDVkvboE

[Anonymous No.54762426]

>>54762382

>USED AS A FUCKING CURRENCY!

[Anonymous No.54762508]

Einstein over here is the gift that keeps on giving, he briefly mentions Monero (yet again!) in his latest video and offers up this pearl of wisdom:

>Monero's community is much smaller than Bitcoin's so the anonymity set is much smaller as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyQo95wfSaI&t=555s

[Anonymous No.54762918]

>>54762508
Where'a the lie?

[None !hPFV6Brm5A No.54762972]

Even the smol brain 3b parameter LLM that barely runs on my GPU knows what's up!

[Anonymous No.54762974]

>>54762918

What anonymity set?

[Anonymous No.54763211]

>>54762508
This guy has always been a supergenius spitting out straight facts

[Anonymous No.54763215]

>>54757560
the biggest one you can, when HAMI gave me enough for a 3060 I left this place, it was my goal and I accomplished it, I will try to grab something else when I need something else, if it has just enough to buy your mini pc do it

[Anonymous No.54763253]

>>54758462
It's not good money if people dump it for dollars as soon as they can.

[Anonymous No.54763433]

>>54763253
>people dump it for dollars as soon as they can.

Nice assumption, bro.

[Anonymous No.54763457]

>>54761112
Like the west virginia Reich

[Anonymous No.54764140]

[Anonymous No.54764454]

>>54760777
checked

the problem arises when it is practically impossible to acquire monero in a simple way (and bisq or other more anonymous means are not within the reach of the average person).

That is why I believe that holding monero is necessary for when that happens, where people will need a means to make private transactions, but everything will be so tightly controlled, that accessing them will be almost impossible.
And the same with the rest of similar currencies (except glowing projects as zcash etc).

[Anonymous No.54764587]

>>54759916
He's right... adoption is bearish and monero shall never go up or it will fail, it shall actually go down to protect us

[Anonymous No.54764874]

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

[Anonymous No.54764889]

This is what Monero chuds dont want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

[Anonymous No.54764972]

>>54764874
Hey there paypig. Zooko says to keep sending him money. He wants to keep stacking before the switch to PoS so he can lock in his paypigs forever.

[Anonymous No.54765733]

Reminder, if it isnt private by default, its dogshit

[Anonymous No.54766184]

>>54764874
I would just like to interject for a moment. What you are referring to as a cryptocurrency is not actually cryptographic in the sense of being hidden, nor is it a currency.

[Anonymous No.54766319]

You grabbed some catcoin when it was-99.95% to up your XMR holdings, right?

[Anonymous No.54766623]

>>54753985
best place to convert bitcoin to monero?

[Anonymous No.54766653]

>>54760509
what will cause sanity to return to the market? a bailout that causes the stock markets to crash because investors lose confidence? another BLM nigger riot and small business owners have their city burnt down?

what is the best way to exchange btc to monero ?

[Anonymous No.54767129]

Over half the people you will meet have under 100 iq

[Anonymous No.54767194]

>>54767129
what do you do when encountering ppl with less than 100 iq?

[Anonymous No.54767314]

>>54767129
And over half are over 100iq.
Both groups are full of insufferable retards for various reasons.

[Anonymous No.54767960]

Nobody here does technical analysis ?

[Anonymous No.54767979]

>>54757553
>I love Monerochan.
Don't we all?

[Anonymous No.54768111]

>>54757560
Check the cheap amd epyc cpu's on ebay.
Epyc 7551 32 cores being sold for $180.
I dont really know the performance but i guess that with 32 cores cant be bad.

[Anonymous No.54768563]

MONEROMARKET.IO

[Anonymous No.54768575]

>>54767960
I'm sure someone is applying advanced algorithms to Monero trading. I don't think you will find many practitioners of classic midwit TA.

[Anonymous No.54768752]

Do I actually need to buy one of those UV things to inspect Euros I get from selling with cash by mail on localmonero or am I safe enough just examining the holograms and stuff. The newer notes seem really hard to counterfeit.

[Anonymous No.54768887]

Mining noob here, ive tried using gupax and the GUI miner, are there ny generic configs to alter to optimize my setup? not looking to go too in depth, just trying to figure out the basics. currently running ~2000H/S

[None !hPFV6Brm5A No.54770590]

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2023/04/28/hamas-military-wing-to-stop-accepting-bitcoin-donations-report/

Not even the terrorists want to accept bitcoin anymore.

[Anonymous No.54770692]

>>54770590
>/hamas-military-wing-to-stop-accepting-bitcoin-donations-report/
/cia-mossad-Joint-Project-controlled-opps-project-military-wing-to-stop-accepting-bitcoin-donations-report/

FTFY

monerobros! did we get less cocky?!

[Anonymous No.54770710]

hi the former zec shill here
im live on gitcoin grants
i know you guys hate me but this time donate me so that i can pay rent this month
thanks https://explorer.gitcoin.co/#/round/1/0x8aa06b3b8cac2970857f4e0fd78f21dc01aade94/0x8aa06b3b8cac2970857f4e0fd78f21dc01aade94-30

>>54758309
im developing a trustless bridge between XMR and CBDC using zkSNARK
fund me plz

[None !hPFV6Brm5A No.54771043]

>>54770710
that would be a killer app and Id start shilling CBDCs to people. how would you prevent it from getting shut down though if the CBs controll the coins with admin keys?

[Anonymous No.54771464]

>>54766653
>best way to exchange btc to monero
you have many options, i guess the best would be the one that suits your needs.
the best at a technological level would be atomic swaps.
if you are already registered in a kyc exchange then that would be the easiest.
or just go to localmonero.co and look for a seller with good rep and trade (can be done using tor).

[Anonymous No.54771509]

>>54768563
Does anyone actually buy stuff from here, or is it all sellers?

[Anonymous No.54771539]

>>54757553
>I love Monerochan.
everyone loves monerochan

[Anonymous No.54771649]

>>54770710
>>54771043
Cbdc and crypto are two completely different technologies, making a trustless bridge between them must be pretty much impossible.

[Anonymous No.54771794]

[Anonymous No.54772180]

>>54767194
keep a safe distance

[Anonymous No.54773196]

>>54757938
Based, hopefully we get many episodes to come.
shilling my torrent of EP 1-17 over at >>>/t/1217698

[Anonymous No.54773809]

can you mine monero on satellite internet?

efficiently

[Anonymous No.54773932]

>>54773809
probably, whats your U/D speeds like? its not super bandwidth intensive so unless you have major latency issues i would think you could. One thing to watch out for is if you have up/down caps on your service agreement, might add up running 24/7

[Anonymous No.54774556]

>>54773932
good points

[Anonymous No.54775632]

>>54762508
well i guess that's true only if you know every member of the community, otherwise it doesn't make any sense imo.

[Anonymous No.54775714]

>25% of this thread from op
>desperate xmr shills still keep spamming new threads

at one point most people would have agreed that monero was one of the few legitimate altcoins, now all you guys to is cry about bitcoin
exceptionally high estrogen levels in these threads these days

what happened?

[Anonymous No.54775749]

>>54775714
>all you guys to is cry about bitcoin

what's there to cry about? Just a few days ago Sonanza Market ditched Bitcoin and went fully Monero-only, today Hamas just announced they're also done with Bitcoin, its been a very good week.

[Anonymous No.54775785]

>>54775714
Are you the guy from the last thread? If so it's sad, if not check the responses to >>54725316

[Anonymous No.54775878]

>>54775785
at least it's not just me that's noticed this heavy shift in sentiment
i guess it comes with the price, all alts seem to go the same way, shame it had to happen to something with a real utility

[Anonymous No.54775898]

Lots of fags around here lately nooooticing things, making concern posts and seething. Yup, still cozy

[Anonymous No.54776213]

>>54775878
Don't tell me Bitcoin is better than the so-called "altcoins going the same way", discourse has devolved into a literal Church of Bitcoin, of course with heavy revisions as to not upset the Church of Bitcoin's bishops and cardinals. And no, this isn't an exaggeration, like fucking hell Saylor is out there tweeting about timechain, universal entropy, and whatnot, and he is supposed to be a large though leader, while others are preaching $1mm BTC and more based on "well duh it's scarce, look people aren't using it". Not only detached from ideals, but reality at this point.
To be honest, there is a clear split between people preserving cypherpunk of cryptocurrencies and normies in the sphere, and BTC is rather falling on the side of normies. "Cypherpunks write code", and Bitcoin's code for the last half a decade was mostly just extensions or patches, either within Bitcoin core or the ecosystem at large. "Wow I can transmit the same transaction message over radio, truly an unstoppable force" or "Cool method to store the same private key!". People who actually wrote code that adds features within the limited capabilities of BTC (Samurai and other non-cucked privacy tools) all accept altcoins in some shape or form, because anyone that keeps the cypherpunk ideals acknowledges that tech is independent of the chain and tribalism and price chasing won't do good.
If you worry about a "sentiment shift" change up your social groups, write code and make connections to like-minded cypherpunks. Or just touch grass idc, being a nihilistic bitch "oh well it's going to shit" has never achieved anything except annoying people.
/rant

>>54775898
If it's the same poster, it'll die down when he sees he cannot agitate, might result in some "threadly reminder that Monero has a problem with [obscure non-issue]". So I'll just give it the benefit of the doubt, if you don't you can run some grammar/vocab patterning on the suspected posts, they are available in the archives.

[Anonymous No.54776350]

>>54775714
they're down atrocious and seething about it because despite pretending they aren't bagholders they're all fundamentally just shitcoin moonboys

[Anonymous No.54776379]

>>54776350
Hope you stay for a few years and don't suicide yourself

[Anonymous No.54777385]

>>54775898
>nooooticing things

[Anonymous No.54777415]

>>54775714
Who the fuck spamming the sperg-out Monero threads? He's just making Monero look bad. Just chill and accumulate.

[Anonymous No.54777534]

>>54777415
you have to defend monero whenever possible.
you are not just defending monero, you are defending its principles which are the very root of human freedom.
this is a constant fight and it will NEVER stop.
you name the enemy, shitcoiners, pajets shilling their shitcoins, states, politicians, enemies of the free people, the joos. they will never stop and so you should never stop.
whenever a lie has been told a truth is necessary to make it null.

[Anonymous No.54777643]

>>54777534
Bro go watch some DBZ or something. If you wanna defend Monero work more hours so you can afford to run more nodes, buy more mining hardware, or donate to the CCS. That or learn to code so you can contribute directly. Being an internet warrior on /biz/ of all places is doing jack shit for Monero.

[Anonymous No.54777858]

>>54777643
>Being an internet warrior on /biz/ of all places is doing jack shit for Monero.
sure because i'm pretty sure that no one ever has become a useful part of the xmr community because of /biz/.
also if you are mining xmr doesn't mean you can't engage in a discussion with people throwing shit at xmr.
stop lecturing other anons on what to do with their time, everyone has a role to play in this game, fuck you.

[None !hPFV6Brm5A No.54777890]

large language models will be the downfall of humanity, in the meantime they are great entertainment:

[Verse 1]
I was gonna use Bitcoin 'til I got high (ooh ooh ooh)
I heard they track your every move, so I got high
Monero keeps me private, that's no lie (No lie)
Yeah, hey
'Cause I use Monero, 'cause I use Monero
'Cause I use Monero
(La-da-da da da da-da-da da)

[Verse 2]
I was gonna use my credit card 'til I got high (c'mon y'all, check it out)
All my purchases tracked, they know what I buy
Monero keeps me anonymous, no lie (No lie)
'Cause I use Monero, 'cause I use Monero
'Cause I use Monero

(Go to the next one, go to the next one. Backaaa)

[Verse 3]
I was gonna use PayPal but then I got high (ooh ooh ooh)
They froze my account and now I'm high and dry
Monero's decentralized, so no need to comply (No need to comply)
'Cause I use Monero, 'cause I use Monero
'Cause I use Monero

(La-da-da da da da da)

[Verse 4]
I was gonna use Venmo 'til I got high (ooh ooh ooh)
They leaked all my info, now I'm ready to cry
Monero's untraceable, my privacy can't be denied (Can't be denied)
'Cause I use Monero, 'cause I use Monero
'Cause I use Monero

(La-da-da da da da da)

[Verse 5]
I wasn't gonna use Monero but I got high
Now I'm feeling like my privacy's in the sky (ooh ooh ooh)
Monero's got my back, and that's no lie (No lie)
'Cause I use Monero, 'cause I use Monero
'Cause I use Monero

(La-da-da da da da da)

[Verse 6]
I was gonna use Bitcoin but then I got high
Fees too high, transaction times made me wanna die
Monero's faster, cheaper, and that's no lie (No lie)
'Cause I use Monero, 'cause I use Monero
'Cause I use Monero

(La da da da da da da da da)

[Anonymous No.54777963]

I'm constantly impressed by the sheer stupidity of maxipads and their inability to understand that loss of existing adoption inevitably leads to loss of confidence which invariably leads to loss of value.

>Bitcoin gon' go up no matter wot

[Anonymous No.54778196]

>>54753985

MONERO SPOUNDTRACK:

https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY

[Anonymous No.54778238]

>>54778196
for youtube fags:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY

[Anonymous No.54778526]

>>54777858
Most people on biz like Monero, or at least they did before you started acting like a complete woman. People are shitting on Monero because it gets a rise out of you, and the amazing levels of cope that have been on display. If you want to help Monero, do it by being chill, smarter, and more reasonable, because right now the spam threads are just making Bitcoin look good.

[Anonymous No.54778675]

Reminder that Monero has to steal Zcash's tech to survive kek

ZEC to 10K by 2025, screencap this.

[Anonymous No.54778782]

>>54766184
kek'd

[Anonymous No.54779260]

>>54778675

Retard

[Anonymous No.54779375]

>>54778526
>If you want to help Monero, do it by being chill, smarter, and more reasonable
Based. Top chads of biz are comfy reading sovereign individual as we speak.
What other coin could feasibly start a book club on biz and actually find interest?
What other coin has a general with weekly high value opsec advice being shared? The energy here has lately been bursting at the seams imo.
That's why biz is getting flooded with monero fud. The idea of xmr is infectious and fascinating and certain groups apparently think this energy must be countered. Expect the fud to continue as our energy grows. Expect the fud to fail miserably. Positive energy is exponentially more powerful than negative energy.

[Anonymous No.54779903]

>>54778675
Monero was an honest fork of Bytecoin to begin with. What makes you think the same won’t happen to zCash if it turns out zkSNARKS are practical in OPSEC critical applications? You cannot “steal” tech you fucking jew. Intellectual property is a fundamentally talmudic concept.

[Anonymous No.54780383]

>>54778675

[Anonymous No.54780465]

>>54778526
Listen buddy, i dont know who the fuck do you think i am but i've never created a single monero thread. All i do is respond to the fud with logical and structured responses to make them look bad.

[Anonymous No.54780653]

>>54754013
lol eventually subsidy becomes insignificant compared to fees. it will happen below 1 btc most likely so like 3 halvings from now, but your entire thesis is retarded.

[Anonymous No.54781023]

>>54780653
BTC fees are lower than they were last halvening and are getting lower all the time. Meanwhile the focus is on off chain scaling like LN that doesn't pay the people securing the network.

[Anonymous No.54781041]

>>54781023
well that can't keep up with increased adoption and increased demand for block space. so in that sense yes, bitcoin would be dead if the fees remain low.

[Anonymous No.54781044]

>>54781023
>LN that doesn't pay the people securing the network
if only that was true btw... we would need about 100 mb blocks (as per the ln whitepaper) to service all of humanity on ln. so just the channel maintenance would skyrocket fees alone without custodial services to take up most of the slack.

[Anonymous No.54781050]

>>54781041
>increased adoption
I don't think this is a problem

[Anonymous No.54781095]

>>54781050
so far so good. no guarantees tho. the interesting challenges are more in line with actually securing wealth in a future where computer devices are mostly an unsecureable backdoor ridden mess and cyber crime is rampant.

bitcoin gonna need some changes to ensure the private keys are not a single point of failure. OP_VAULT is promising. the focus on a better more expressive scripting language should be the main direction of development for the near future.

too bad monero can't even be in that game. dropping out so early is quiet tragic.

[Anonymous No.54781254]

>>54781095
The problem with cryptographically secured money is lot a lack of security. Do you have any idea how ridiculous what you are stating is?

[Anonymous No.54781274]

>>54781254
yes the problem is that private keys are a single point of failure and a wide range of attacks are possible on them (if you knew anything about cryptographic security you would know this) ranging from supply chain attacks on your entropy to the $5 wrench attack.

which is why reactive security with proper consensus enforced time locks and retrieval paths are so important. even if an attacker gets your private keys you can still stop him when he tries to spend your money as he can't do so secretly he has to basically announce it to the whole world.

[Anonymous No.54781364]

>>54781274
>why reactive security with proper consensus enforced time locks and retrieval paths are so important.
Why not just use smart contracts on a network that supports them rather than a convoluted time lock system? A multisig smart contract that released funds after receiving instruction from two wallets would be better here since they could be instructed to release funds to any wallet that receives it receives instruction to from the multisig rather than a pre selected one. All you are doing is changing the wallet that is a single point of failure from the old wallet to the timelocked one. The only reason you would do this is if you are a shill for a turing incomplete network that is coping with it's lack of smart contracts by using timelocks as a nigger-rigged alternative.

I use crypto as a currency instead of hoarding it in a vault so using timelocks is impractical for me. I would rather just have hot and cold wallets like a sane person.

[Anonymous No.54781387]

>>54781364
>Why not just use smart contracts on a network that supports them rather than a convoluted time lock system?
nothing convoluted about it, makes the time locks more flexible and less likely that the user will screw it up. covenants add relative timelocks from the trigger transactions.

[Anonymous No.54781391]

>>54781364
>I use crypto as a currency instead of hoarding it in a vault so using timelocks is impractical for me.
well it's not for the daily driver wallets it's for securing real wealth for real wealthy people and even the savings for the upper class. i'm afraid the middle class is shit out of luck on bitcoin. they gonna be in collaborative custody or straight up in custody.

[Anonymous No.54781462]

>>54778675
>steal tech
After watching Foundation Devices drama it's clear that bitcoiners and ziggers have one thing in common, they are communists who support the labor theory of value. Daily reminder that we WILL steal your code, we WILL use it better than you, and there is nothing you can do about it

>nooo but I worked hard for it!

[Anonymous No.54781477]

>>54781462
Foundation is literally pajeet shitcoiners

[Anonymous No.54781660]

>>54781477
they are the same crew
https://news.bitcoin.com/report-btc-mining-investment-platform-declared-pyramid-scheme-by-south-african-consumer-watchdog/

[Anonymous No.54781709]

>>54781462
monero has been struggling to do a damn thing about its broken ring signature model for half a decade now. zcash is financially worthless but monero is rapidly becoming technologically worthless.

very poor showing across all the privacy coins these days. it was no wonder tornado cash was doing orders of magnitude more volume than every other privacy alt combined before the jewish tricks.

[Anonymous No.54781750]

>>54781462
and when will monero steal the revolutionary technology of timelocked refund transactions that are the basic cornerstone of decentralized commerce?

[Anonymous No.54781771]

>>54781750
they'll just keep increasing the blocksize to make room for all the deanonymizing attack outputs thinking it's retail adoption.

if they kept a hard block size at least they could force the attackers to pay something over a third world minimum wage to undermine monero's one feature.

[Anonymous No.54781934]

>>54781771
yeah that's a different story, but my point is you can't have trustless decentralized digital trade to an other asset or a gift card or voucher or anything without the ability to do time locked refund transactions. otherwise someone can get screwed or you need to use a custodian anyhow. they are weirdly ignoring this and shitting on every other chain that can naturally do this trick from day 1.

[Anonymous No.54782286]

>>54781709
>Broken Ring signature model
Name me a single person who was traced using Monero on the dark net markets.

[Anonymous No.54782400]

What happened to triptych?

[Anonymous No.54782886]

>>54781387
How is it more flexible and how can a user accidentally sign an incorrect transaction from two or more wallets easier than they can trigger a time lock. You have a solution and are looking for a problem.
>>54781391
Again, single point of failure. What is the advantage to richfags using timelocks vs cold wallets? You are sidestepping the issue.

[Anonyɱous No.54782950]

>>54782400
>triptych
was abandoned for seraphis.

[Anonymous No.54783012]

>>54780653
>didn't read the link
Oh, but let's run the math if you're curious.

>block subsidies are 6.25+0.331 BTC (base + fees) = $192 856 per block for current network security.
>largest blocks include ~5.2k transactions (eg block 000000000000000000053a6ede1ae75d9f19887d6204d155f253b3eb650c7ab3)
>~$37 average fee needed if somehow keeping up max capacity
>now let's take a more realistic 300k TX / 24h
>300k/144 blocks = 2083.333 TX / block
>$192 856 block subsidy per 2080.333 TX = $92.57 average per TX
>data per bitinfocharts, CMC, and mempool.space if you're one of those weirdos that fact-checks messages on Mongolian basket-waving forums

Do keep in mind this would be the required average, the actual fee distribution could push the fees paid way above, just check this random sample out from 2017 when fees were not even halfway there to the block total block subsidy:
>https://mempool.space/block/00000000000000000050fe1b95537fa2971d42216b3613308cbec41b38b9a259
Highest fee TX paid $7 274 at that time. hash: 095945a8f7667860e2e888d0814de2531bdf1fe1c7f4db8bf1430107548ee241 to verify it.
The above averages were for optimistic base layer TX count, if it goes back down to a 200k TXs/day level or lower like it has maintained since April 2021 through 2023 those fee averages needing to be paid will fly up into the hundreds.

This isn't "locking out the poor" or whatever you imagine it being, nor it is a settlement layer, this is just making a network unusable and hiding behind the straw man of "well do you want every single transaction to occur on L1!?". No matter what delusions you believe in there is no way to gain adoption with rising fees. That is just braindead logic, if nobody can use L1, nobody will be able to use L2s without a custodian, and if something requires mass-custodianship of trusted 3rd parties it is no longer hard money, it no longer matters what L1 says what the block supply ought to be or what is an isn't a valid TX.

IE welcome to fiat: but even worse!

[Anonymous No.54783312]

>>54782286
>muh citation needed
if it wasn't broken they wouldn't be scrambling to fix it. you're exceedingly trusting of the government to reveal that their arrests didn't have any part in the suspicious activity surrounding monero's tx rates coinciding with advertisements from tracking companies and the arrest of the owner of the largest pool of monero view keys.

[Anonymous No.54783362]

>>54783312
>scrambling to fix it.
Trying to improve something /= scrambling to fix it.
Privacy is an arms race.

[Anonymous No.54783436]

>>54783362
you clearly aren't knowledgeable of monero's development then. i take it you just spend your time being a hype man on here or reddit without actually popping the hood and taking a look.

go read some of the github issues or hang about the IRC if you want to see how pessimistic the developers are about monero's future without a complete rewrite of most of its core cryptography.
it's unsurprising when i dont think anything this significant has been attempted without just spinning up a new chain and telling people to migrate.

[Anonymous No.54783451]

>>54783436
>you clearly aren't knowledgeable of monero's development then
how is it possible you can talk literally out of your asshole. It's so impressive anon!
I lurk MRL all the time. You are making stuff up.
>you're exceedingly trusting of the government to reveal that their arrests didn't have any part in the suspicious activity surrounding monero's tx rates coinciding with advertisements from tracking companies and the arrest of the owner of the largest pool of monero view keys.
even more BS lmao. Kill yourself troll.

[niggers tounge my anus No.54783542]

>>54783436
>IRC?
I can't find this discord channel???

[Anonymous No.54783595]

>>54780465
Then my original comments, which you replied to, weren't directed at you. They were directed at whoever is spazzing out in the other threads lately.

[Anonymous No.54783660]

>>54783451

Pay no mind, he's the resident concern troll, always worried about Monero's imminent demise.

[Anonymous No.54783683]

>>54783012
yes on-chain gonna be expensive. the thing about scarce things is they are valued more. many many many richfags sitting on the sideline will be able to easily pay more than $100 tx fees. there are also other options like changing the fee to be transacted value based. bitcoin settles trillions in value each year after all.

[Anonymous No.54783703]

>>54783683
Peer to peer electronic cash.

[Anonymous No.54783712]

>>54783012
>and if something requires mass-custodianship of trusted 3rd parties it is no longer hard money
tell that to these nu-austrian idiots sucking off the mises institute 24/7 tho!

[Anonymous No.54783722]

>>54778675
>ZEC to 10K by 2025, screencap this.

Meanwhile, Z-Corp and its subsidiaries are scrambling to not get nuked by Uncle Sam.

[Anonymous No.54783724]

>>54783703
ecash is as peer to peer as physical cash was back in the days. you can send it over a fucking dm in telegram or nostr.

[Anonymous No.54783973]

>>54783683
>he didn't read
Must I reiterate? If you go down the path of least utility, there won't be any value left. "Richfags" are rich because of their ability to see this. And if they have generation wealth or got lucky, an inability to recognize such a simple thing as inherent value vs actualized value they are bound to result in an overall loss of wealth.
Can you explain why would Bitcoin would be the one to gain adoption and long term sustained natural price action, rather than Monero, if Bitcoin has less utility?

>there are also other options like changing the fee to be transacted value based
Write code ffs

[Anonymous No.54784030]

>>54783973
>Can you explain why would Bitcoin would be the one to gain adoption and long term sustained natural price action, rather than Monero, if Bitcoin has less utility?

well it has more utility ofc no less. it can do everything monero can and a lot more. the tooling is rough around the edges, but we got pretty damn good stuff in development already.

and frankly we just began to scratch the surface on the zk stuff. zerosync will probably the first thing that will change the game for bitcoin nodes.

[Anonymous No.54784149]

>>54784030
>well it has more utility ofc no less. it can do everything monero can and a lot more. the tooling is rough around the edges, but we got pretty damn good stuff in development already.

[Anonymous No.54784185]

>>54784030
>can do everything monero can

You sure about that?

[Anonymous No.54784284]

>>54784185
yes. we can put a 1000 people or more in a single utxo and have a coinjoin inside that utxo that is never even observable on-chain. we can do instant payments via ln with decent receiver privacy now even with standalone channels. it's crazy. i can't even keep up with the new stuff.

[Anonymous No.54784297]

>>54784284
also i'm too much of a brainlet for that zk rollup stuff but i heard that about 100k transactions per block is roughly the theoretical max with the current block size and rollups.

[Anonymous No.54784411]

>>54784284
yeah and nobody uses it. go on. Post your lightning network usage metrics. they are shit.
gee I wonder why.

[Anonymous No.54784414]

>>54784284
>>54784297

That's all very nice. Now go convince the free market.

[Anonymous No.54784449]

>>54784411
it's very nascent, people literally started using it 2 years ago for real. in an other 5, 90+% of bitcoin payment transactions will go through ln.

people love the ux. the only thing that sucks is tor. literally when we needed it most to provide privacy someone dosed it to shits. but bolt12 onion routed messages can provide similar privacy with actual dos protection built in.

so that's gonna be an other win for bitcoin.

>>54784414
it's happening. in 5 years nobody will understand why shitcoins ever existed.

[Anonymous No.54784480]

>>54784449
>it's happening. in 5 years nobody will understand why shitcoins ever existed.

lol nope. Go ahead and ask on Dread's OpSec board where all the darknet privacy OGs post, you'll always get the same answer.

[Anonymous No.54784496]

>>54784030
>>54784284
>>54784297
>also i'm too much of a brainlet
It does show.
ZK tech is already partially integrated on the base layer and ZK roll-ups work on other chains. It's literally just Bitcoin and a few remaining primitive coins that have trouble doing ZKPs. The goes for offline transactions chaining or instant payments, but the thing is the base layer is functional on top of possible L2s with Monero. It ain't with Bitcoin. Bitcoin is playing catch up to compensate for its missing utility, with Monero it just grows every year.

Also most of what you've mentioned literally doesn't work, Bitcoin is not private no matter how you cope with that fact, LN is a non-adopted dysfunctional IOU passing network facilitating mass-surveillance.

>people literally started using it 2 years ago for real. in an other 5, 90+% of bitcoin payment transactions will go through ln.
>tfw NFTs are more used than your 7 year old project that is supposed to fix your network.

[Anonymous No.54784581]

>>54784449
>in an other 5, 90+% of bitcoin payment transactions will go through ln.
lmfao. what a retard.
>people love the ux
okay, then why aren't they using it more than Bitcoin on the base layer
>it's happening. in 5 years nobody will understand why shitcoins ever existed.
imagine falling for the LN two more weeks meme. We've been hearing this since 2018 retard.

[Anonymous No.54785804]

[Anonymous No.54786465]

Is this scammer Rehrar a part of community?
Right now in https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/ we can see that he is. Is he still paid 7k$ per month? Why he is not still kicked?

The discussion of this asshole Rehrar is here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/o0sura/an_open_letter_to_the_core_team/
He did NOTHING worth as 7k$ per month. Even ErCiccione said: I'm one of the most active community members, i'm the point of reference for two major workgroups, i participate to almost all of them in some extention and i still have no idea what Rehrar job is and what he does every day for core.

[Anonymous No.54786801]

>>54786465
he was terminated two years ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/o9v6nm/statement_from_core_team_on_rehrar/
>However, on reflection over the course of this past week the Core Team has instead decided to terminate the contract with rehrar immediately (effective June 22th). We do recognize in hindsight that there were clear signals we could have been more sensitive to, that would have justified a much earlier termination of rehrar’s contract. This is something we will keep very closely in mind in the future.

[Anonymous No.54786926]

>>54782400
multisig

[Anonymous No.54787442]

[Anonymous No.54787678]

>>54781462

Stealing Zcash's code that cost its community millions will inevitably result in a lawsuit that will drain your precious General Fund dry.

Fuck around and find out.

[Anonymous No.54787744]

Kyun, nice job on the noderowallet library. That's great work.

>hopefully you see this

[Anonymous No.54787952]

>>54787678
>Lawsuit

Tell me faggot how are you going to demand monero because we don't have a fucking CEO faggot

[Anonymous No.54788819]

>>54784284
>we can put a 1000 people or more in a single utxo and have a coinjoin inside that utxo
you can, but do you?

Bitshitters are "developing" privacy tools for how long now, 5, 7 years? And they don't even enforce it. It's a joke really.

Have fun with your custodian money on layer 9 or whatever.

[Anonymous No.54789305]

>>54768111
7551 is too power hungry. Get Epyc milan chips. Prices are coming way down. Also, if prices are similar get 3d vcache chips like the 7800x3d vs the 7800x because although randomx doesn’t benefit from it, on raptoreum algos it’ll be twice as efficient and this is big for when prices of shitcoins go up.

You want to go for density and power efficiency, so 64+ core epyc CPUs or 12-16 core ryzens. Threadripper is too expensive for what it is.

[Anonymous No.54790316]

>>54757705
nice! going to read these for easy bounties

[Anonymous No.54790631]

What happened to Nerva XNV? It was based on monero and was honestly better as it was GPU/ASIC resistant and CPU mineable... Anyone know?

[Anonymous No.54790644]

>>54790631
probably scammed themselves out.
we see all these "honestly better" shitcoins all the time. they are transient. monero is here to stay.
there is no second best.

[Anonymous No.54790738]

>>54790644
Im pretty sure Nerva developed the algorithms now used by monero, was more secure/privacy centric, decentralized, and had cpu mining as the only option. Id call that a win win win, its just odd no one adopted it and you dont see it shilled now

[Anonymous No.54790755]

>>54790644
Apparently its still up and running...huh..

[Anonymous No.54790770]

>>54790755
dude nobody cares..

[Anonymous No.54790786]

>>54790770
>They always say you are a retard
>They never say Are you okay, retard?
I was just asking jackass. /biz/ has zero fucking users anyway, were probably tm2 of 7 anons online here

[Anonymous No.54790788]

>>54790316
lol get a few shekels to make monero run on an a third world country phone.

those are third world country wages btw.

[Anonymous No.54790791]

>>54790786
Idk where the "tm" came from. Shit virtual keyboards

[Anonymous No.54790827]

>>54771509
Both

[Anonymous No.54790842]

>>54790788
this post glows

[Anonymous No.54790857]

So......when's the Wownero flippening happening

[Anonymous No.54791150]

/XMR/ general weekly book club - WEEK 3

This is the second week of the book club. This week we continued by reading chapters 7 & 8 of the book "The Sovereign Individual" by Sir William Rees-Mogg and James Dale Davidson.

Now onto brief description of the chapters:

>Chapter 7: Transcending locality: The emergence of the Cybereconomy
>The information economy is not like a highway, a railroad, or a pipeline. It does not haul or transport information from point to point the way the Trans-Canada Highway carries heavy trucks from Alberta to New Brunswick. What the world calls the “Information Superhighway” is not merely a transit link. It is the destination.
This chapter is mainly spent elaborating how the authors imagined the Cybereconomy will look like. It does make many startling predictions (for example the prediction of cybercash, though still naively pegged to gold). However, the more important aspect is the application of the shifted logic of megapolitics. In essence, in a world where transit is low-cost, protection of assets is cheaper with the cost of organized violence is rising, and relocation is cheap without consequence as to aforementioned assets or connections, physical locality no longer matters as much and new forms of economic organizations are bound to replace the large-scale Industrial operations of the bygone age.

[Anonymous No.54791153]

>>54791150
>Chapter 8: The end of egalitarian economics: The revolution in Earnings Capacity in a world without jobs
>The Information Age means more than just a growing use of powerful computers. It means a revolution in lifestyles, institutions, and the distribution of resources.
This is an interesting pretense that logically follows from the contents of the previous chapters. When work is rewarded based on abilities to use technology rather than a position in a company and qualification, and locality ceases to matter as much an interesting phenomena starts to realize itself. That is a growing large inequality within jurisdictions, and drastically lowered inequality between jurisdictions. Furthermore, the authors lay down their case that because abilities are shaped in a normal distribution, small nudges can lock out large portions of the population. This will inevitably lead to a growing underclass that will advocate for nationalism, protectionism, "common sense" controls (by the logic of the Industrial Age that is), etc.

Questions:
1. What would be the principal factors affecting the speed at which certain "jobs", or rather roles of economic function, will shift into the new configuration and markets of the Information Age?
2. What do you think will be the first nation-states pushed towards rapid dissolution, and what will survive the transition? The authors mention Canada, Belgium, Italy for the first one, and New Zealand, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Singapore as examples for the latter. Agree or disagree? What about other places?
3. In an age of rapidly forming/disolving and transforming "virtual corporations" would there be any overall structures that are able to persist in such a way that a more advanced dead-man switch can work autonomously, preserving itself?

But as always, feel encouraged to share your own thoughts, opinions, or summaries.

[Anonymous No.54791159]

>>54791153
To keep the pagecount, (as well as some personal reasons for a lack of free time), now going for chapter 10 ending by the 7th of May. The site will be updated Monday morning with this post and discussions. See previous weeks' discussions/starter posts at
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/sig/week2.html
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/sig/week1.html
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/sig/index.html

P.S. I know week 1's page is a tad bit more scuffed compared to week 2. I will eventually get around to fixing it so don't worry

[Anonymous No.54792105]

>>54791150
Thanks for this, i'm way behind now so it looks like i have some Sunday reading to do after the torrent finishes, provided its still being seeded.

[Anonymous No.54792576]

>>54792105
In theory it should still be seeded. But thanks I tried tuning down the pace since this week, so will try to keep that ~40 pages/week pace, hopefully enough for people to be able to catch up. Either way previous weeks' discussions are archived in case you want to take a look at them (or check out the posts directly >>54700145 and >>54611499).

[Anonymous No.54792944]

[Anonymous No.54792995]

>>54792576
Thanks, yeah its all finished up now, i'll keep seeding for the foreseeable future

[Anonymous No.54794216]

>>54791153
It's interesting to note the authors predict the information age will be the end of egalitarian economics. However, further analysis of the chapter reveals that the economic playing field will be more fair than ever before due to globalized equal access to information:
-A high intelligence person will be able to compete on equal footing even if they are born in the smelliest poo smeared corners of earth. They will no longer be held down by their incompetent governments and fellow countrymen. Their quality of life will be lifted.
-The lazy and unintelligent lards in previously first world countries are in for a rude awakening as the fast burning nanny states lose the ability to prop them up. All these lards with epic skills such as writing inclusivity clauses will find they are uncompetitive in the global market place. Their quality of life will drop.
-Welfare leaches in first world countries as well as nations of low IQ masses who are propped up with foreign aid will lose access to this money and suffer immensely.
When the authors said "the end of egalitarian economics" what they really meant was "the end of manufactured equality". If you are intelligent and creative, you will do well, regardless of race or location. If you are an NPC lard, you will be replaced by an NPC simulating technology, and you will be poor.

[Anonymous No.54794396]

>>54754314
i2p is again attacked by glowies
It's being DDOSED right now

[Anonymous No.54794513]

>>54794396
sauce?
in any case, i2p, being the decentralized anonymous and encrypted network, should be able to withstand such attacks.

[Anonymous No.54794546]

>>54794513
can you access any eepsite now?

[Anonymous No.54794575]

>>54794396

Seems to be targeting I2Pd specifically, my tunnel creation rate has dropped to 1%.

https://www.reddit.com/r/i2p/comments/133iczg/i2pd_went_full_bandwidth_usage_more_than_allowed/

The devs should have a patch out soon, make sure to upgrade!!!!!

Meanwhile, the Java implementations seem unaffected

[Anonymous No.54794579]

>>54791150
>>54794216
My only question so far, and i have only just started chapter 2 so maybe this is addressed later and if so disregard the latter; if everyone is to be on the same footing in the cybereconomy, how is global accessibility brought to 100%, and address the cost variation of being connected?

[Anonymous No.54794598]

>>54794575
I've seen like 6000 routers and floodfill each

[Anonymous No.54794618]

>>54794513
found this, but that's all so far
https://i2pforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2761&sid=584acbcee5f1e47857f00813598dc378#p2761

[Anonymous No.54794628]

>>54794513
>>54794396
btw, after the fall of zzz.i2p (and really, after zzz left the i2p java development) there is a new i2p forum reachable on the clearnet, as well as the eepnet: https://i2pforum.net

Reminder: java i2p client has a poorly written and quite an ugly appendage on its developer page, bending the knee to the neo-wokist religion of sexual perversion: https://geti2p.net/en/contact (scroll all the way down to see it)

Apparently this "inclusionary statement" was added by a single i2p java developer (echelon), and the other devs was not consulted before it got added.

This unnecessary political stance (really, is i2p aligning now with the American leftist politics? what about the rest of the world who want to have nothing with the sexual-gender-perversion politics of the decadent west?) caused a shitshow in the recent months, resulted in the very valuable developer of the java router, zzz, to leave the project.

Now, on that forum there is a thread discussion what to do with that "inclusionary statment" (which is really an exclusion statement aimed at alienating anyone not agreeing that kids shouldn't undergo gender surgery or whatever). Chime in, and make your voice heard: https://i2pforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2751#p2751


This shitshow with java i2p development should be a lesson to Monero:
MONERO MUST STAY ABSOLUTELY POLITICALLY NEUTRAL.
Neither the white supremacist neon-yahtzees, nor the purple hair john with his dick cut off crossdressing should have a privileged voice within the development community. ONLY ONE THING COUNTS: SHOW ME THE FUCKING CODE YOU WROTE.

[Anonymous No.54794651]

>>54794575
https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/issues/1915#issuecomment-1529036309

yeah it's being attacked

[Anonymous No.54794850]

>>54794651

Figures, glowing faggots doing what they do best.

Everybody start running a node and convince others to do the same, its a numbers game, there's more of us every day while they have finite resources.

You're not a bona fide MoneroChad unless you're actively sustaining the darknet, run a fucking node.

[Anonymous No.54794961]

Hi frens, should I be concerned with the LocalMonero traders requiring verified emails or phone numbers associated with cashapp accounts? Almost all the sellers rn are asking for one or the other which wasn't the case in my past experience.

[Anonyɱous No.54795059]

>>54754861
what kind of a connection do you have? pppoe? bridged?

[Anonymous No.54795204]

>layer 2 solutions

s-sorry guys, a maxi convinced me this is needed for adoption. How do we catch up to Maxis??

[Anonymous No.54795267]

>>54794850
Node runners need to be payed monero or something per traffic/uptime. That way just like blockchains there is incentive to decentralize it and propagate itself.
Not only do I have make an effort to run a node,costs, paint a target on myself, so people I hate can make a killing selling things I don't support.

#No more gibs.
We want some of that sweet black market XMR market.
Imagine if every pajeet on the planet had a node, unlike a few pedos or freaks like yourself now

[Anonymous No.54795321]

>>54795267
>Node runners need to be payed monero or something per traffic/uptime
Check out Monero's RPC-Pay capabilities. It got added a long time ago yet nobody is using it.
It is supposed to make the remote node operators get paid in RandomX hashes per the light wallet connection.

[Anonymous No.54795495]

>>54795204

Catch up? Bitcoin is the one getting shitcanned, not Monero.

[Anonymous No.54795608]

I have my wallet set up on my PC at home and I use Ledger to access it, but forgive me if this is a fucking stupid question: Can I set up a wallet on my android phone as well to access with Ledger so I can process payment through XMR when away from home? Also is this pic still valid or is there an update?

[Anonymous No.54795622]

>>54794579
Later on the authors do mention stuff like fiber optic cables and bandwidth growth outpacing Moore's law, etc. That is still chapter 6 though. But to summarize, bandwidth is already extremely cheap and it is becoming cheaper, so its core effects can manifest themselves equally throughout the world. Just as Youtube makes TV programming obsolete in the US, it does the same in India or Ethiopia. Or just as people turn to cryptocurrencies because of fiat failing, people outside of "the West" do so too, increasingly more. Bitcoin is more adopted in Nigeria, Turkey, El Salvador than Industrial era developed welfare states like Norway or Germany. Also there is the factor that aside from ping differences, connecting to France or Japan are the same cost.

With regards to 100% connection, similar logic applies. Newer technologies are less dependent on locale and infrastructure. This counteracts whatever burden a country might have, geographical, historical, governmental, etc. To quote the book:
>New technologies, such as the digital cellular telephone, allow communications to function independently of the ability of the local police to defend every telephone pole in a jurisdiction from copper thieves.
By the way, this is Chapter 7, Lightening the Burden of Bad Government

>>54794216
>the end of manufactured equality
That is actually quite fitting, way less of a mouthful than
>a growing large inequality within jurisdictions, and drastically lowered inequality between jurisdictions
Nice elaboration anyways.

[Anonymous No.54795664]

>>54795267
>Node runners need to be payed monero or something per traffic/uptime.

And who exactly is supposed to be paying here?


>That way just like blockchains there is incentive to decentralize it and propagate itself.

The incentive is to provide a stable economy for Monero to thrive in. A healthy darknet = a growing online shadow economy = increased demand for XMR.

A further incentive is that it drives glowies absolutely bonkers, every node added is one more they have to match in order to continue their attack.


>Not only do I have make an effort to run a node,costs, paint a target on myself, so people I hate can make a killing selling things I don't support.

Running a node is as easy as installing an Android app which only consumes some bandwidth. You're not a target, running a node is 100% legal and all data is E2E encrypted so you can't be held liable.

[Anonymous No.54795789]

>>54795664
>And who exactly is supposed to be paying here?
depends. at base layer users, or onion sites can subsidize traffic to their site, or some third party.

>>54795664
>The incentive is to provide a stable economy for Monero to thrive in. A healthy darknet = a growing online shadow economy = increased demand for XMR.
>A further incentive is that it drives glowies absolutely bonkers, every node added is one more they have to match in order to continue their attack.
I agree, just saying that A FAIR xmr incentive would make it explode.

>>54795664
>Running a node is as easy as installing an Android app which only consumes some bandwidth. You're not a target, running a node is 100% legal and all data is E2E encrypted so you can't be held liable.
yes and no. You need a computer to be running 24/7 which is a fire hazard if your at work and sleeping. Its easy until is not, I make my PC from scratch and run dual bot win and linux. And some things get corrupted or bug occurred and I am still not able to fix them. It may be legal but still paints a target me.
Also the dark market is a testing ground for xmr.
If in theory that's all it would remain I would say fuck it. My hope is that normal people will be able to use it when we win the culture ground

[Anonymous No.54795850]

>>54795321
I think that's for the CLI only. And most people use feather wallet or the GUI or cake on mobile.
You also have to have a public monero node. Which requires a bit more skill than just running a private on the gui.
But yea. If you implemented than on I2P, that WOULD be a game changer

[Anonymous No.54795890]

>>54783451
>he doesn't know about mymonero
funny how you monero shills don't seem to understand your own bags

[Anonymous No.54796204]

>>54794579
I think the author overstimates the impact of the cyber economy, bitcoiners are going to still get fucked with taxes, the cybereconomy runs on top of the real economy and you still need to pay and report your merchandise on the frontiers, also farmers are the backbone of every economy and while the book talks how violence is getting more costly Farmers are still fucked as 5000 years ago so i don't see how would they benefit from using bitcoin let alone monero they would probably go to jail.

[Anonymous No.54796277]

Comfy XMR related story. We've got Kurdish teenagers on our side.

[Anonymous No.54796908]

[Anonymous No.54797181]

>>54795664
If I'm not mistaken there are people trying to implement RandomX on i2p and Tor for securing the networks against DDOS attacks.

https://twitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1645773464479977472

[Anonymous No.54797901]

>Welcome back to the /XMR/ general's weekly opsec discussion!
This week we are going to cover the concept of identity compartmentalization. This topic came by request of one of our fellow Monerochads, and while it is a tougher one to cover, especially in short form, it is an extremely important topic for everyone from noob to DNM administrator. As always, thank you for reading and please share your thoughts on the topic and suggestions for future articles!

>Previous weeks discussion
PGP - pastebin.com/K5uK4vvg
File Verification - pastebin.com/64jdYSua
Compartmentalization - pastebin.com/N88NA8Jy
>OpsAnon's public key
pastebin.com/kiEVscyb

>What does compartmentalization mean?

Compartmentalization of our identities, and activity online is the process by which we segregate our online personas and activities. In basic terms, this means for each activity, community, or purpose that we communicate online, we aim to have zero overlapping information, and avoid “self snitching” or doxxing ourselves accidentally.

>Why is compartmentalizing important?

We can think about compartmentalization of our online activities much like a ship. Modern ships are comprised of many water-tight compartments. By doing so, if the ship suffers a hole in its hull, the ingress of water can be contained to just one or a few of those water-tight compartments. This prevents mass flooding and losing the entire ship to Davie Jones locker. Compartmentalizing our online identities works in the same fashion. By segregating our activities, associated identities and our IRL identity, we can prevent a hostile actor from linking them all together to get a better picture of our online activities or even uncovering our IRL identity and sensitive accounts.

[Anonymous No.54797957]

>What does a failure in compartmentalization look like?

Here we have a couple of articles that clearly demonstrate the consequences of failure in a high threat model scenario. You will notice that these failures did not occur due to any technical issue, or as a result of some agency type... These are high profile people failing in very simple ways and more often than not, it is these simple mistakes that are the issue.
www.ivpn.net/privacy-guides/online-privacy-through-opsec-and-compartmentalization-part-2/
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The biggest takeaway we can get from this is for gods sake, do not link your personal email, especially one that is your own damn name, to any sensitive activities, That sounds like a no-brainer, but as we just read, stupid mistakes happen even to those who should have known better.

>Where do we start?

The first step to any opsec endeavour is to assess our threat model and in this case, to get a birds eye view of all our various accounts and identities. A good place to start is by creating a list of the communities/accounts we have created, breaking them down into categories or "tiers" of Public - Sensitive - Secret. Which of these accounts are you okay with, or need to be associated to your IRL identity? Which ones do you want to be pseudo-anonymous, but used in multiple communities/activities? Which ones do you want to be kept absolutely separate from your IRL identity and from any other community/activity you partake in? By doing this we can create an overview of the topography of our online activities and which ones are already linked.
The next step is to assess our threat model. Before we can start hardening our defenses, we need to have some idea of what kind of adversary is going to be at our gates.

[Anonymous No.54797966]

>Where do we start? (cont'd)

If you're a normal everyday user and are not concerned about LE or Gov, your threat model is vastly different from that of a DMN vendor or a dissident of an oppressive regime. While the lowest threat models would also benefit from taking the most extreme measures, it is a daunting task, and many users would simply give up from the burden of all the extra steps and learning required. We don't want the pursuit of perfection to become the adversary of achieving the basics. Consider your activities and what the consequences of a breech of your opsec might look like. If you're thinking it would not be the end of the world, you may have a lax threat model, on the other hand, if a breech would result in your imprisonment, loss of life or have serious ramifications, you have a high threat model and you need to tailor your practises to meet that threat assessment.
Now that we know what were protecting, and the degree of scrutiny that needs to be applied, we can begin exploring how we implement the process.

>Segregation

There are a wide array of items that we need to segregate in this process, so lets have a quick look at some of the most important/common ones:
-Username
-Email address
-PGP keys
-IP address
-Method of access(tor,i2p)
-Device used
-Writing style/slang
-Cryptocurrency wallet addresses (pseudo-anonymous currencies)
Segregation requires us to not only to focus on the information we use to create the accounts, but also the content we post. if you follow the process in great detail, but then post a BTC address that is linked to your name, or a PGP key that is associated to your DN persona, you have undone that hard work and linked those accounts.

[Anonymous No.54797976]

>Compartmentalization in action

So far we have talked about what bad practises look like, the types of information that should be segregated and how to get an overview of our digital footprint, but lets see what a simple use case scenario looks like.
In this case we have Anon A, this user has social media accounts, an online banking account and frequents Dread and a DNM. In this scenario we could break down the accounts into two of the three tiers, public and secret, with Anon's social media accounts being public and his Dread, DNM and banking accounts being secret.
As you can see in picrel, the social media accounts could be linked together, which in this case is by design, but could be further segregated as required by your threat model. In the secret category, we see that all usernames and email's are different, with tor activities happening on a hardened laptop (preferably utilizing an amnesic OS like Tails, or a fully encrypted machine running a privacy oriented OS). Another item not mentioned in my info-graphic is the use of VPN's, while often overrated as a privacy tool, a trusted VPN can be useful when accessing accounts, especially banking, while on public wifi where a MITM attack could be a concern.

[Anonymous No.54797996]

>Tools

While this process is largely one that has to be implemented by the user themselves, there are some tools which can make the process easier. The biggest issue being, how do we manage all these separate persona's, their usernames, passwords and addresses? The one i will mention here is KeePassXC, this software allows us to store our digital identities including usernames, passwords, email addresses and features a notes section for any additional information. If you're thinking, doesn't this break our compartmentalization? You're not wrong to some degree, but i believe the benefit outweighs the risk in most scenarios. The upside of using KeePassXC is that we can maintain many different "internet facing" identities in a single locally stored database which can be further encrypted for our protection. KeePassXC is an open source software which does not feature any cloud storage of your database, which is important, given the recent events with Lastpass.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/lastpass-hackers-stole-customer-vault-data-in-cloud-storage-breach/
Find out more about KeePassXC
https://keepassxc.org/

>Conclusion

In this week's discussion we covered a very broad topic, and one that is arguably the most difficult to assess, monitor and rectify. Every user is going to have a significantly different "footprint", and because of that, their concerns, requirements and the steps taken will be different as well. I believe the important takeaway from this week is that we have to be constantly conscious of our persona's online and protecting the ones we deem most important or sensitive by not linking them together both in our conversations online and by the re-use of account information.

>Additional reading

https://www.ivpn.net/privacy-guides/online-privacy-through-opsec-and-compartmentalization-part-1
https://blog.securityevaluators.com/technical-anonymity-guide-658a53adff5b

[Anonymous No.54798967]

Zcash will have shielded assets soon, get in before the moon mission launches!!!

[Anonymous No.54799306]

>>54797996
>>>
thanks for the post some good info

[Anonymous No.54799370]

>>54796204
>I think the author overstimates the impact of the cyber economy
>Farmers are still fucked
It's worth pointing out here that in Chapter 7 the authors posit three stages of cyber economy. In the first stage the internet is used to facilitate what are otherwise ordinary industrial-era transactions (not yet subversive to old-world institutions). The second stage is used for more advanced economic features which were difficult or impossible in the industrial age, such as remote accounting or medical diagnosis. However,
>The second stage of Net commerce will still function within the old institutional framework, employing national currencies and submitting to the jurisdiction of nation states. [...] These profits made on Internet transactions will still be subject to taxation.
The third stage is when economic activity has fully migrated outside the jurisdiction of nation states as they lose power due to the changing megapolitical factors. Here, the digital currency will be fully utilized and untaxed.
Clearly we're still in stage 2 and will be until the use of crypto is necessitated by further inflation, increased taxation, dystopian threat of CBDCs, war and blackswans. Thus the megapolitical implications of the internet are still far from played out. As for your point about farmers, they will certainly still require protection as they always have, along with manufacturing facilities which simply must be fixed to a geographical location. The megapolitics of the information age rewards efficiency, and the sovereignties of the future must provide protection at a low cost in order to be competitive, else they will choke themselves out in the highly competitive global market.

>>54794579
>how is global accessibility brought to 100%, and address the cost variation of being connected?
Any anons here who can speak about satellite internet tech? How good is Starlink right now and how is shaping up for the future?

[Anonymous No.54799677]

>>54756552
>Bangladesh is Monero country.
we know Bangladesh is using XMR for darknet activities

why do you spamming every bread with this?

[Anonymous No.54799709]

>>54798967
You have convinced me, I am ready to buy a bag and ZODL to the MOON.
But first you must answer these questions: Why does nobody use Zcash? And if Zcash really has stronger privacy than Monero, why are regulators more comfortable with it?

[Anonymous No.54799730]

Monero is too early I think the future will play out according to bitcoin halvings and at some point bitcoin is too flawed to continue where monero becomes a standard form of money.

>2024 halving
I'm guessing crypto once again goes up monero gets movement into a new ATH nothing too big. I think the largest flow of new money is going to be commercial real estate firms holding toxic assets they can't generate cash flows on so they dump it for bitcoin and money flows from there to crypto.

>2028 halving
I estimate old guys like buffett and munger die by then leaving berkshire to ESG friendlier younger managers, they start dumping oil firms leaving energy companies looking into crypto mining for financing. Permian basin and tech companies moving to texas makes me think this happens.

[Anonymous No.54799862]

>cont.

>2032 halving
Bitcoin becomes reserve asset of texas and florida, I see this as big bitcoin players like saylor and politically charged tech executives that would side with bitcoin and crypto like elon musk are in texas. A large political fracture from late 2020s is a big reason. I think conservative minded investors that control the largest investment firms like buffett passing away will accelerate a big societal shift. States outside texas and florida are more victim to ESG "new" investing, california, new york, for example quite hostile to cryptocurrency mining, are pushing to throw out the usage of oil, natural gas. Bitcoin mining became a very dividing topic in 2028 elections, bitcoin holders outside texas and florida either move to texas and florida if they are quite wealthy already, rest that cant move to crypto friendly lands slowly drop their bitcoin bags for monero giving monero more growth.

>2036 and beyond?
Most of crypto is dead outside btc and xmr. I assume texas and florida became some tech oligarch playground. Outside them the world is harsher where its just xmr users fighting against old money dictators taking forever to implement a CBDC that never comes cause tech smart people either moved to the btc nation states or are too busy developing on monero to contribute to a CBDC. BTC mining collapses from supply chain issues, being ASIC mining only ultimately failed, texas and florida actually wind up being more unsafe then rest of country, its just xmr holders or no xmr holders at this point. Those that maintained a xmr node by late 2030s are pretty much 21st century noble class/priests.

[Anonymous No.54800104]

>>54799862
Internet grifter constructs a narrative around his bags.

Sorry, give it up both Bitcoin and monero are ponzis

[Anonymous No.54800483]

Is it possible to use a Paypal account with only a virtual card bought with XMR?

[Anonymous No.54800498]

What's the timeline on the eventual Seraphis hard fork? How messy will the address/seed conversion thing be? I'm hesitant on recommending normal folk I know to use Monero when such a huge upgrade is on the horizon.

[Anonymous No.54800613]

>>54758328
that is an unfortunate ass

[Anonymous No.54801052]

>>54799862
Deshabbos won't do a single good thing for Florida.
It doesn't matter how much he pump fakes or runs his cocksucker mouth.

[Anonymous No.54802263]

>>54800613

Could be worse.

[Anonymous No.54803083]

>>54799730
>at some point bitcoin is too flawed to continue

Have you visited the darknet lately? Bitcoin already is too flawed to adequately service that market.

[Anonymous No.54804458]

>>54797901
>>54797957
>>54797966
>>54797976
>>54797996

This shit is gold. Take notes, kids.

[Anonymous No.54804701]

>>54797901

[Anonymous No.54804717]

>>54797957

[Anonymous No.54804733]

>>54797966 (checked)

[Anonymous No.54804753]

>>54797976

[Anonymous No.54804761]

>>54797996

[Anonymous No.54805231]

>>54799730
>at some point bitcoin is too flawed to continue
Bitcoin has been too flawed to continue as money for years and maxipads think this is a selling point.

[Anonymous No.54805471]

>>54805231
A corporate cult like apple. Except apple products actually do something.
Best to just ignore them and or ridicule.

[Anonymous No.54806886]

>>54805231
>>54805471
unlike cringe monero maxis which are definitely not a cult and certainly not incredibly defensive about monero's huge technological inferiorities
nothing altmaxis love to do more than cope about bitcoin while it keeps winning

[Anonymous No.54806935]

>>54806886
>bitcoin while it keeps winning

Gee, I wonder where this winning streak will take us....

[Anonymous No.54807100]

>>54804458
Thanks for reading
>>54804701
all discussions are also available at the pastebin links in post 1, granted, without the info-graphics

[Anonymous No.54807371]

>>54754013
This is an argument for gold. It doesn't require consensus to be secure. You can hold it in your hand. It's made with nuclear fusion in a star, not some lines of code. Crypto leaves a sour taste in my mouth now that I took the goldpill

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54807474]

>>54807371
Only the dumbest of the dumb or the boredest of the bored are going to bite onto these shit-tier bait posts, anon. I've seen you do better, do better.

[Anonymous No.54808722]

[Anonymous No.54808866]

rate this as a base of operations for a hydro electric xmr farm

ideally there would be no winter period where the stream freezes, but we're working with what we have

[Anonymous No.54809407]

>>54808866
There is no such thing as a XMR farm by design (except bot miners if you think outside the box).
They electricity cost is the least of your worries

[Anonymous No.54809415]

What in the fuck

>[Security advisory] New attack from malicious remote nodes

>There is a vulnerability in Monero wallets that can be exploited by a malicious remote node. The vulnerability has a CVSS score of 6.5 (medium severity). The impact of the exploit is more than just privacy loss, but the attacker cannot steal Monero from your wallet.

>I recommend to stop using 3rd party remote nodes immediately. Run your own node instead. If you can't avoid using a 3rd party node, make sure you trust the node operator.

>This vulnerability was reported in January on HackerOne. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to fix it. Due to the limited impact of the exploit, the Monero team has decided not to provide a patch. Full details of the vulnerability will be disclosed soon.

[Anonymous No.54809489]

>>54809407
1post by this id, cool, now can a chad rate it because I think it's based

[Anonymous No.54809547]

>>54797181
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/134jbdt/comment/jigkpgj/
things are a lot worse then they sound.

so turns out the light verification was too costly in time so wallets just skimped on that and now they can be cheaply fed bs data which includes specific transactions that would fully deanonymize them if they selected the decoys from that subset.

you better run your own monerod or you gonna get spooked.

[Anonymous No.54809757]

>>54809415
This has been a thing for a while and it's why it's recommended to run your own node

[Anonymous No.54809986]

>>54809489
there is literally no way to make a profitable XMR mining facility unless you have free or near free energy.

[Anonymous No.54809993]

>>54809757
>run your own node
Fuck sake lads I was interested and about to ask an monero chad for assistance but sounds way to complicated
Just gonna buy link and lite coin instead

[Anonymous No.54810005]

>>54809757
>>54809547
Does anyone know the privacy implications? Is it just the feeding bs data to deanonymize rings or is there more?

[Anonymous No.54810141]

>>54753985
Just found this great Monero video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP7v9HdUceY&ab_channel=CryptoBeans

[Anonymous No.54810184]

>>54809986
I know, that's why you have the stream to get hydro electric power from

[Anonymous No.54810255]

>>54810005
https://medium.com/@RyoRU/breaking-monero-episode-07-remote-nodes-777693f4d731

Tl;dr they can raise your fees arbitrarily and poison your ring signatures, but both can be detected if your attacker is unlucky

[Anonymous No.54810308]

>>54808866

14.5 ACRES with RUNNING WATER in the Appalacians for fifty fucking Gs. Fuck me, that same property would be easily over a million dollars (USD) in most of Canada, even in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. Why the FUCK is land so expensive in this damn country.

[Anonymous No.54810320]

>>54810184
Is this legal? Sometimes there are environmental laws relating to water. Check otherwise you will just get your shit seized and converted to free government gibs.

[Anonymous No.54810334]

>>54810255
Thanks

[Anonymous No.54810369]

>>54810320
I'm not sure, do you believe the government can enforce such a thing, hahahahah, especially in a crumbling political and social landscape, you obviously don't want to make a massive hydro electric dam structure, but if it was very subtle and couldn't be spotted except for very close inspection of your property then, hmmm

>>54810308
yea, I tell all canadas, euros and aus fags to flee the country, it's intolerable

[Anonymous No.54810386]

>>54810369
>do you believe the government can enforce such a thing, hahahahah
Yes, they definitely would just seize your assets and sell them for profit. They do it all the time.
>but if it was very subtle and couldn't be spotted except for very close inspection of your property then
Possibly.

[Anonymous No.54810408]

>>54810386
sometimes revolutionary acts require courage

[Anonymous No.54810453]

>>54810386
btw I've seen a few youtubers that have hydro electric streams on their properties, but I'm sure that it depends on what body of water it runs into, as long as you aren't altering the flow of the river, etc etc, on and on

I highly doubt that your xmr farm would be detected, basically it would require a search of the land on your property, but for what purpose, suspicion of what if nothing is altered

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54810708]

>>54809993
Yeah, running your own financial infrastructure and ensuring it is robust and secure isn't retard easy, but it's not egghead difficult either.

If you desire or require privacy, you'll figure it out.

[Anonymous No.54810983]

>>54810708
I can't get to open my ports.
I mean, I opened them on my router, on Windows and they still look close from outside.

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54811022]

>>54810983
You've already done the hard part.

You might not have specified Monerod to bind to your machines localnet IP, I believe it defaults to 127.0.0.1 (localhost)

figure out the local IP address of the machine running the node, and specify monerod to use that IP. You can do that from command line or a config file (so you can for example keep several configurations and easily switch back and forth)
https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monerod-reference/

[Anonymous No.54812118]

[Anonymous No.54812468]

>>54759378
Audiobook: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bNzy2rxVH94

[Anonymous No.54812487]

>>54799370
You are right i suppose i read a little more about the ford example he gave in the book, for example in the book he speaks how ford was pilfered by unions and the goverment but another example worth sharing is how ford was pilfered by shareholders as well, for example the Ford Motor slashed its dividend in 1916 and minority stockholders—the Dodge brothers— who successfully sued Ford Motor Company for a big dividend payout

https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2021/12/01/dodge-v-ford-what-happened-and-why/

For example here ford didn't have as much money and to preserve his monopoly on cars he needed to build factorys faster, however eventually by goverment power due to the courts he was forced to pay the shareholders their fair share of dividends so in the short run he couldn't build more factorys and pay his workers more and was forced to pay money to parasites like the shareholder class, if the cybereconomy keeps developing and nation states lose power as a result of that then big companys that rely on the power of the state will also lose power as a result because ironically crypto is more free market than the current (((free market))), for example if big farms cannot use subsidies to feed their shitty monocrops then organic farmers may outcompete the big monocrop industrial facilitys and in the other hand vertical farming and miniaturization will make it easyer to create more competitors in the market however if big goverments lose power and free trade between nations gets hurt as a result of that because lets say there are more pirates in the seas i feel the multipolar world will look like encapsulated areas of big corporations as the new defacto rulers.

For example lets say the banking system keeps collapsing then it isn't only cryptocurrencys that benefit but software companys like apple and applepay become by the facto new banks for normies but replacing the state with private entitys.

[Anonymous No.54812569]

Just a friendly reminder that Zcash shielded assets are set to launch soon so this is your last chance to get in on a guaranteed moon mission.

ZEC to $1000 EOY

[Anonymous No.54812589]

>>54812487
If governments lose the ability to protect shareholders because the business owners are anonimous then it means it becomes almost impossible to ensure rules in the internet, thats why probably corporations will eventually settle on the blockchain but technically there are still the issues of real world logistics and if nation states become smaller it just means you will need more fees to freely transport goods via the frontiers so thats why i say while the money may be anonimous you still need to pay for the protection of your merchandise.

[Anonymous No.54812611]

>>54812569
Hahaha shut up fucking faggot no one cares about your shitcoin for shills and faggots

[Anonymous No.54814070]

>>54753985
how are we doing today xmrbros

[Anonymous No.54814601]

>>54810386
>Yes, they definitely would just seize your assets and sell them for profit. They do it all the time.
how will they seize my assets if they are on fire

[Anonymous No.54814982]

>>54764889
>Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.
Yes, i bought this shit in November during the deepest dip, it's been good so far.
i would have added more on my last pay day, but I'm not getting a good buy order this time from the Al platform i check for updates
Just gonna hold on and buy at the set time
>>54766623
Try Binance

[Anonymous No.54815126]

>>54791150
Other people have addressed some of the points I was going to make, corporations will be forced to become more efficient on an xmr standard, a return of policies and paradigms as under the gold standard, slavery, corporate law, neo anarchy, tribalism and feudalism

The power of your family will mean everything, xmr takes more effort to hold custody of than gold but has basically the same properties, federal governments will fail due to taxes being cut drastically

We go back to the times of kings queens, piracy, standard oil, monopolies

[Anonymous No.54815669]

>>54812569
>guaranteed moon mission

Nice try, tranny.

[Anonymous No.54816144]

>>54814982
ai platfrom>????

[Anonymous No.54816381]

>>54766623
Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Elude EXIT SCAMMING! AVOID!
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/AnkqVGjp


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/

[Anonymous No.54817820]

[Anonymous No.54819233]

>>54816381
Stealthex.io is one to add to the clearnet list, no signup or info required, ive used it a few times and had no issues

[Anonymous No.54819943]

Pedocoin

[Anonymous No.54820117]

>>54819943
I remember when Bitcoin was used enough to warrant the same accusation - how times have changed.

[Anonymous No.54820193]

>>54819943

Yes.

[Anonymous No.54820420]

>>54820193
Hnnnng

[Anonymous No.54821768]

bros I feel like a cypher punk

[None !hPFV6Brm5A No.54821915]

Plushies start shipping tomorrow.

Will take me a couple of days to get through all of them so don't worry if you don't get an email immediately.

[Anonymous No.54822261]

kek

[Anonymous No.54822686]

>new green tax for asic cancer in USA
Splendid

[Anonymous No.54822958]

>>54822686
we can't stop winning

[Anonymous No.54823439]

How would monero handle this?

[Anonymous No.54823633]

>>54819233
looks like shit desu
https://kycnot.me/exchange/stealthex

[Anonymous No.54823664]

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[Anonymous No.54823747]

>>54766623
>>54816381
>>54819233
>>54819233
>>54823633
Trocador.app is the way. They are on clearnet, i2p and tor. Most transactions are insured
They also run monero nodes on clearnet, i2p and tor.

[Anonymous No.54823793]

>>54823747
>Trocador.app
It is not actually p2p swap. Thay just use fixedfload, changenow and other exchanges. It is not p2p...

[Anonymous No.54823867]

>>54823793
Nobody said it was p2p

[Anonymous No.54823952]

>>54823867
aren't p2p cheaper? no fees

[Anonymous No.54824922]

>>54753985
>thread 5 days old
Wtf this has never happened in /biz/ history