/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.54465394]

I don't understand how people are able to wage. it's one thing if you have a cushy job where you don't have to deal with shitty bosses or retarded subordinates, I can understand even if that is the case but you are making a lot of money so it's a somewhat fair tradeoff, but for the rest, how the fuck are you able to do this?

how are you able to live 80% of your life knowing that tomorrow it's that horrible nightmare awaiting you again? I am not even talking about the general sense of emptiness or "oh I have to do this for 30 years" sentiment, but the sheer reality of experiencing getting your soul crushed day in and day out. even if it's a day off by some miracle today, are you even able to enjoy it knowing your return tomorrow? I am genuinely curious how you people can withstand spiritual equivalent of driving through traffic every day for hours to a vacant field and climbing down to bottom of an abandoned well then waiting there for 8 hours everyday until you can get out, do you just not care or feel this way at all?

[Anonymous No.54465495]

>>54465394
Back when I was a wagie working retail I would come home every night and grab my gun and think about killing myself. Every night I was juggling three options in my head; keep my job, quit my job, or kill myself. This was my general though process:
>keep my job
If I keep my job, I'll have to go back to work tomorrow and keep doing the same thing over and over again. I'll have to wake up with little sleep, go to work, and endure all of the stress and anxiety that comes from directly interacting with the general public, on top of doing all of my normal duties, which should have been spread between two people but my boss was too cheap to hire a second person saying "you've been doing it this entire time so why do I need another person?"
>quit my job
If I quit my job, I'll have no income, will eventually have to find a different job, and potentially damage my employment history due to the fact that I had only been working there for 9 months. It looks bad on a resume when you quit in such a short time, and if it takes me a while to find a job, I will have a large gap in employment which will only make it more difficult. I'll also have to live with yet another failure (one of many in my lifetime)
>kill myself
If I kill myself, I'll die, but I also won't have to deal with being alive anymore. I'll drop everything and everyone else will have to pick up the pieces of my shattered life. It's also painful. I don't want to be alive, but I also don't want to die

eventually I decided to just quit. That was two years ago, and I haven't had a job since. Been living with my parents, who are pressuring me to get another job even though I don't want one. They don't know I own a handgun, and if they make me choose I'll probably just kill myself rather than go through the hell of being a wagie again.

[Anonymous No.54465553]

waging isn't as difficult as you think. 80% of jobs you can just autopilot all day long, its super easy after doing it for a month or so, just embrace the npc lifestyle

the only truly shitty jobs in this world are any jobs involving heavy manual labor or food service jobs

[Anonymous No.54465577]

>>54465495
lmao how much of a fag do you have to be to kill yourself over a retail job. it's literally the easiest shit ever. i worked in a grocery store in my gap year and all through college.
>cashier: say hi, ring shit up, process payment
>bagger: put shit in bags
>cart tard: push carts
>stocker: put shit on shelves
customer is belligerent or stupid? who the fuck cares, you're going home in <8 hours. manager is a faggot? who cares, you can get another retail job with identical pay and identical duties.

[Anonymous No.54465592]

>>54465553
>autopilot all day long
>duuude just fastforward through most of your life straight to the grave
haha

[Anonymous No.54465611]

>>54465577
>I did it part time it's not hard
Very different from doing it full time and seeing no way out

[Anonymous No.54465632]

>>54465394
I keep my glock nearby as a reminder that I can call it quits anytime I wish.
And yes, I mean blowing my brains out.
If my life is still the way it is in 2 years from now, I'll pull the trigger. And knowing this brings me so much relief, that it makes dealing with everything ok.

[Anonymous No.54465645]

>>54465394
Its the "little" things. Let me tell you a story from a not so distant past.

>be 22 freshly failed at tech university
>get a job anyways as electric schematics designer
>salary is not good as an engineer but good enough
>office is comfy with smart drunkard engineers and nice climate
>hours are 8 by 5 or eventually 6 days per week
>health is good fitness level is good from basketball and regular fucking and having money and time for things on weekends and during vacation times out of season
>have my own place freshly furnished with a new pc, new floorings, new ac, a dream crib for a young bachelor in his early twenties
>friends aplenty all doing good or ok and in similar mindset
>young woman by my side that isnt clingy but like me a lot and no one else
It was so easy I could even carry work home and do another 8 hours before sleep to finish something for deadlines and for speeding up other parts of the process for others.
It all seemed to perfect to be true. When you have it all its not hard because you are in fifth gear and are efficiently cruising at speeds that someone that doesnt have it all can only match with too much effort and for a short amount og time.

But it wasnt perfect of course.

[Anonymous No.54465685]

>>54465495
>Back when I was a wagie working retail I would come home every night and grab my gun and think about killing myself.
Lmao I literally do this. Sometimes I just stare at it and have to come up with excuses on not to off myself right then and there. And I get EXTREMELY tempted sometimes.
It gets harder and harder to not pull on the trigger every time I do this. So, I just try to avoid being near it or put it in the closet so that I don't see it at all.

[Anonymous No.54465713]

>>54465645
what u mean u "failed" but got a job anyways? did u graduate with low gpa?

[Anonymous No.54465752]

I actually work interesting jobs. I wouldn't say they're fun, but they are stimulating. Once I start to hate it, I quit and do something new. Having people you like and knowing how office politics works can make or break your enjoyment.

[Anonymous No.54465774]

>>54465713
Failed as in failed and flunked out of university.
Was great at programming and decent at technical drawing and autocad and knew basics needed to draw and design installations and had lots of help and will to learn and of course knew lots about computers and hardware.
Boss needed someone to do engineering work thats drawing in AutoCAD and he wanted to pay less than he would pay someone with a degree and everything.

[Anonymous No.54465798]

>>54465774
how hard was it to get that job for you?

[Anonymous No.54465810]

>>54465577
>he's never been yelled at by a customer
>he's never had a customer grab items off the shelf and throw them on the floor
>he's never been cussed out by a customer with expired ID
>he's never been insulted by a customer who didn't have ID at all but wanted to buy beer and cigarettes
>he's never had a customer yell at them over something they have no control over
>he's never had a customer threaten them with physical violence because you wouldn't sell them cigarettes
>he's never had to deal with a customer trying to short-change and getting mad and insulting you when you don't fall for it
>he's never had to go to work on 0 sleep and pull a double shift because their coworker called in sick coincidentally on a nice sunny day
>he's never had to deal with working 9 hour shifts with no scheduled breaks (you're the only one there, but feel free to take your breaks whenever you have an opportunity, but no clocking off, also no sitting on the clock smiley_face)
>he's never had to deal with a crazy hobo yelling at people
>he's never been attacked by crazy hobos
>he's never had crazy hobos piss themselves right in front of them
>he's never had to mop up hobo piss
>he's never had to stop a crazy hobo from running out the door with 8 cans of streel reserve, only to drop 5 of them, causing them to explode and spray beer all over the main entrance to the store (which you then have to clean up)
>he's never had the disgusting smelly hobo that literally smells like shit wander into the store and take 50 coffee creamers then leave before you can react
I don't know what cushy part time cashier gig you had but it was a lot different from the kind of shit I had to do

[Anonymous No.54465822]

I have waged longer and harder than most men have dreamed.

I've done data entry, I've pumped gas, I've done finance models for big pharma, I've programmed engine assembly lines, I've shovelled actual dogshit. I've made $5/h and I've made $66/h.

The only thing that makes it bearable is to turn all the tedious bullshit tasks into some kind of game, wait for lunch breaks, and fuck around/with coworkers

If you can find some kind of joy however banal in your work it will make it bearable, although just barely.

[Anonymous No.54465849]

>>54465810
What % of these interactions were with black people?

[Anonymous No.54465857]

>>54465577
Working retail full time with a skeleton crew where you have to juggle the responsibilities of 2 people is not the same as a part time college gig.

[Anonymous No.54465865]

I like to push really hard and work my ass off, and make it clear from the beginning my intentions are to rise through to management.

Even as a stock boy, I was there early, stayed late, always working while everyone else was smoke-breaking or on their phone 24/7. After 6 months of being by far the #1 worker, I went to my manager, told him I need a path to move up or I'm gonna leave. He put me as assistant in charge of stock.

Did this for 6 months, learned how to order, inventory management, cost, scheduling, etc. Became stock manager 6 months later. From there, I made enough to get a business degree in my spare time, and became store manager of another store within 2 years.

Store manager sucked ass. Everything is your fault. Yet I still exceled at it. In my spare time I would think or new and innovative ways to better my store. 3 years after getting multiple awards from corporate, I became a regional manager, then moved up into the corporate world as Head of Retail on the east coast making 450k/year.

[Anonymous No.54465906]

>>54465849
just the short change one. I live in a mostly white area in Washington state. There are barely any black people here.

[Anonymous No.54465913]

>>54465798
Well it was medium hard with some luck. I was sitting all winter doing nothing after returning to hometown from university. Mostly playing Quake 3 over ISDN, to give you a frame of reference for when it was. Drawing map concepts on paper and in paint and then in autocad.
So by spring I heard from a relative that this small company is looking for a tech student for 3 month paid internship/ test period because one of their engineers quit.
I literally went to a interview, shook the hand of the owner and boss, talked about computers, electronics, cad, and networking and he hired me on the spot.
It was a different time.

[Anonymous No.54465955]

>>54465394

My toes are blistered. My thumb is bleeding. The sciatic pain shoots through my ass, down my leg every so often. My knees give out randomly. The dark circles under my eyes never go away. I never have time to meet women, even if I did, I'm too tired to go out. I haven't gone on a real vacation in 6 years. Alcohol just gives me a headache and I don't like drugs. I'm 28 years old.

There is no escape.
There is no escape.
There is no escape.
There is no escape.
There is no escape.

[Anonymous No.54465957]

>>54465810
>he's never been yelled at by a customer
i have. who cares.
>he's never had a customer grab items off the shelf and throw them on the floor
i have. who cares. you're paid by the hour. clean it up.
>he's never been cussed out by a customer with expired ID
i have. deny the sale. call the manager.
>he's never been insulted by a customer who didn't have ID at all but wanted to buy beer and cigarettes
i have. deny the sale. call the manager.
>he's never had a customer yell at them over something they have no control over
i have. who cares.
>he's never had a customer threaten them with physical violence because you wouldn't sell them cigarettes
deny the sale. call the manager.
>he's never had to deal with a customer trying to short-change and getting mad and insulting you when you don't fall for it
call the manager.
>he's never had to go to work on 0 sleep and pull a double shift because their coworker called in sick coincidentally on a nice sunny day
"can't, i have plans." your fault for staying late.
>he's never had to deal with working 9 hour shifts with no scheduled breaks (you're the only one there, but feel free to take your breaks whenever you have an opportunity, but no clocking off, also no sitting on the clock smiley_face)
state law guarantees breaks. your fault if you don't take them.
>he's never had to deal with a crazy hobo yelling at people
call the manager.
>he's never been attacked by crazy hobos
call the manager. call the police.
>(cutoff due to character limit)

learning to stand up for yourself is an important skill in life. it's obvious that you were raised by a single mother, who trained you to be a spineless cuckold. i guess this explains why you're neurotic and get visibly upset, to the point suicide, over a minimum wage, entry level job.

[Anonymous No.54465978]

I think something is wrong with me. I just genuinely don't care about my career anymore. It is a struggle for me to do anything. I refuse to learn any new languages or shit like that. I WFH for the feds making $160k a year in a LCOL state. I'm 29 and my wages will probably barely increase with my job anymore but I don't give a fuck about working harder or trying to learn more. I left the private sector to just sit here and hopefully be left alone

[Anonymous No.54465981]

>>54465957
stop lying

[Anonymous No.54466105]

>>54465822
I enjoyed you post, thank you for your wisdom based boomer. Still, I performed terible in every single job I've had and shit just makes me question my existence

[Anonymous No.54466124]

>>54465822
>>54465822
do companies really look at your resume with that huge variety of jobs and decide to hire you anyways? kek how?

[Anonymous No.54466189]

>>54465495
This is exactly how it'd play out for me. I had experienced a month of something like this and I was basically enough to start tearinf my soul apart from my body, it was a painful process and I could feel I was becoming a puppet for abuse without any useful human defenses against the situation I was getting pulled in.

I just couldn't do it and cried to my parents basically and moved back in. I just don't see how the fuck I'm supposed to survive in this world, but handful of feel good pills to numb down everything and become a robot or what?

[Anonymous No.54466232]

>>54466189
>I just don't see how the fuck I'm supposed to survive in this world
I often ask myself this same question. I don't really have a plan for the future. I'm just ignoring all of my problems and telling myself not to think about it. I'm spending my future on the present, just to have a little bit of peace.

[Anonymous No.54466292]

>>54466189
most people dont get purpose or spiritual fulfilment from a 9-5 job but most people dont get that from sitting around the house 20+ hours a day either.

[Anonymous No.54466409]

>>54466189
I don't have plans either and I think it is sort of pointless to make plans because any realistic plan ultimately leads to what I escaped from anyway. I am just stuck in this place in life and I realize it's just fluke that I am here too, if anything goes to shit like if my parents died, I'm really just fucked and have no backup plan for it. I know that it should worry me but it doesn't, I don't feel fear maybe because I simply internalized despondency at this point, there is no realistic way out of here so I just wait for something to happen, anything that will change things in the world and around me, so I can find an alternative way. As dumb as it sounds.

>>54466292
It is not about finding a purpose I am totally fine by purposelessness, it's not something I need to worry about. I don't need a meaning to survive I need not to be fucked with, I need a base of tranquility that I can exist within where I'm not raped by anxiety. I understand that some people need more but that's not the case for me.

[Anonymous No.54466420]

>>54466409
Shoot, first part was meant for >>54466232

[Anonymous No.54466444]

>>54466292
That's another problem I have; there are things I'd rather be doing than working. Things that actually make me happy and make me feel fulfilled. I like to work out. I like to draw. I like to play guitar. I like to cook. I like working with my computer. I like working with wood and metal. I like sharpening the knives. I do the classic NEET stuff like play video games, shitpost on 4chan, and read manga, too, but those only occupy part of my day.
I'm not good enough at any of my hobbies to make money from them, but they make me happy. Time spent working is time I can't use to do the things that actually make life worth living.

[Anonymous No.54466451]

>>54465394
Most people aren't bothered by working anywhere near as much as you. This is especially true for men.

[Anonymous No.54466479]

>>54465394
After a decade of neeting I'm happy to be out of the house. You don't really have to care about your job or the people or the pressure or any of that. Just go about your day happy as Larry and if some mongoloid steps on you, just try find the humour in it.

My advice is got gud at some niche, take a job below your skill level and just chill. Put your life energy elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.54466486]

>>54466409
my brother, I am in the same shoes as you. No kidding when I say that's literally every day for me. I have no plan, and if my parents died, I would basically be screwed, but I don't even care. I'd just figure it out. I'm like a leaf floating on the surface of a river, just letting the water carry me wherever it pleases because I don't have the energy to fight against it. That's my whole life.

[Anonymous No.54466507]

>>54465394
The trick is to work night shift. Managers rarely turn up on nights, extra money, great excuse for avoiding social activities.

[Anonymous No.54466538]

>>54466486
https://americanliterature.com/author/jack-london/short-story/to-build-a-fire

[Anonymous No.54466572]

>>54465495
Personally, i cant think of killing myself

We all die eventually, so no point in seeing things before the end. If you've got literally nothing to lose, then go do something crazy with a small chance of success. Literally anything you think could possibly get a payout.

You're thinking of dying anyway, so who cares? Go out in a blaze of glory.

[Anonymous No.54466643]

>>54466572
This is where we differ. I think a lot of people hold that opinion on suicide; if you're going to die, just go do whatever you want? Nothing could be worse than dying? Only at a certain point, dying is the only thing you want to do. I don't want to go out and party. I don't want to go out and do something crazy with the chance of a huge payoff. I don't even want to live.
When you get to that point you won't want to do anything because everything is a bother to do.

[Anonymous No.54466755]

>>54466572
Why not try to kidnap rape 10/10s at this point

[Anonymous No.54466793]

>>54465394
I'm comfortable at work. Time feels non existent.

[Anonymous No.54466848]

>>54466479
>My advice is got gud at some niche, take a job below your skill level and just chill. Put your life energy elsewhere.
Good advice. Get a job that you can do easily and hopefully even automate so that you can put your energy elsewhere, like a side project that may or may not (probably won't) pan out.

[Anonymous No.54466994]

>>54465394
People aren't waging anymore, people's minds and motivations were broken during Covid and its never coming back

[Anonymous No.54467090]

>>54465978
that's pretty normal, i don't make as much as you but i feel similarly, i already got what i wanted out of my career, i only work so i can buy cool stuff now

[Anonymous No.54467214]

>>54466409
you asked how people find a purpose by commuting and wageslaving and the simple answer is they dont you have just built up this massive head cannon into thinking you are the only person in the world who would rather play his guitar all day than wage away for mr shekelburg when there are entire movies and songs about that doing just that

[Anonymous No.54468654]

>>54465822
>work at a /tg/ company
>no matter how hard the work was, you're throwing robots and monsters and shit
Company was Privateer Press, pretty cash