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>bachelor's degree in civil engineering
>Starting wage is 40k as an overworked salarycuck working 10 hrs a day minimum, maybe 50k if working in an high CoL area
>Project Manager, with 3 years of basic construction and 6 months of civil 3D or some stacey with a BA in literally anything
>60k, choice of hourly or salary, paid overtime, and less responsibility compared to an engineer

>> No.54313221

>>54313183
Had a salaried job once, never again. Its basically being a legal slave.

>> No.54313234

Nooooooo not having to work 10 hour shifts!!!

>> No.54313289

engineering is a scam, just be glad ur not some mech engineering super cuck. All that work while some ho on only fans makes 500k/ year flashing tits.

>> No.54313574

>>54313183
>Project Manager, with 3 years of basic construction
construction project manager
>wake up at 4AM
>drive to some stupid job sites 1hr away from home
>responsible for making decisions on the fly or lose thousands of dollars when something inevitably goes wrong
>punching bag for everyone
>long hours, many phone calls, a lot of administration
i don't think you have an accurate perception of construction project management

>> No.54313695
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54313695

>>54313183
The Question is, what are you doing to escape wage slaving?

>> No.54313845

>>54313221
You're doing it wrong if you get in before 9am and leave after 3. show them who's boss.

>> No.54313875

>>54313234
for 40k
you can have a GED and get an easy mill job paying more than that with less hours and better benefits
any college grad taking less than $100k is getting scammed hard

>> No.54314454

>>54313183
no refunds

>> No.54314881

>>54313234
>Bro, just work 10 hours for 5 days every week for 40k a year
>Lel, who cares when you distribute the additional hours, you end up working more than a taco bell wagie and earn the same hourly wage as them without OT!

>> No.54314919

>>54313183
Why didn't you pick an engineering field that pays well?

>> No.54316351

>>54314919
lol... LMAO

>> No.54316567

>>54313183
I make more than you playing poker

>> No.54316575

>>54313183
You will never become a manager because you have no people skills LMAO.
You will always be an executive monkey who takes orders from a woman boss.
Slay Kween!

>> No.54316609

>>54316575
>project manager
>people skills
LMAO
Throwing tasks around and asking retarded questions to technical people so as to not sound retarded to business people isn't really a deep social skills.

>> No.54316615

>>54316609
So why aren't you a manager?

>> No.54316644

>>54316615
Because I come from a family of engineers.
I actually enjoy technical work

>> No.54316656

>>54316644
Translation: I am a social recluse sperg and could never get past the interview for a management position.
Enjoy being an executive chimp forever.

>> No.54316677

>>54313183
>Be me
>5 years of studying, sacrificed my entire youth for that
>phds are paid like absolute dogshit and useless
>Every job is 40k in a big nigger infested city, with rent taking up 50% of your pay if you're lucky
>Absolutely no chance of moving up the ladder
>Decide to pass a cybersecurity certification
>Get a job THE NEXT DAY, i'm not making it up
>starting at 60k, mostly "working" from home, often nothing to do, increased to 80k after a year
>become independent
>make 500$ a day from anywhere in the world

Just identify demand in the job market, there are infinity pajeet engineers, therefore engineers are worth nothing.

>> No.54316682

>>54313183
White collar work is so saturated. I'm going back to school, 10 years after getting a college degree, to become an electrician. I plan on eventually working for myself.

>> No.54316683

>>54313234
>Dirty hands, clean money
>I'm on that grind, boy - I make 6 figures
>Well, technically I only make that much if I work 75 hours a week
>But it's easy when you're on meth and have no family
>Sure I breathe weird fumes all day and almost cut off a finger once, but I'm too tough to complain about it
>Step aside, real man comin' through

>> No.54316723

>>54316656
I work with project managers, shit for brains.
They get fired much faster than technical people and they are not actual managers. Meaning the people management power is never in their hands, neither are big slaries.
They spend their who days in pointless meetings explaining to french/german/israeli/russian/etc clients around the globe basic stuff and arguing over who takes on what job.
Bonus points:
One of our project managers got fired and he couldn't find another project manager position - was forced to work in a completely different position.
There is no growth in project management. It's a dead end position.

>> No.54316734

>>54316723
There's more management positions in any company retard. You won't make any of them. Guess some useful idiots are born to be executory monkeys and be bossed around all their life.

>> No.54316750

>>54316677
>Absolutely no chance of moving up the ladder
Not for a social sperg with a PhD.
Moving up the ladder is all about networking. Networking is done... I know it's a shocker for an autist like you... with social skills!
All the people above you who make more money than you, who do 20% of the work you do, who get to boss you around like you're a piece of shit don't have any technical skills whatsoever lmao.
You wasted your entire youth to train yourself into being an executory chimp.

>> No.54316751

>>54316734
>he thinks manager is the same as project manager
LMAO
A manager manages people.
A project manager is a phone/meeting monkey.

They don't get promoted to actual managers. Actual managers have heavy connections.

>> No.54316771

>>54316751
I never said project manager is the end all be all. Frankly you started ranting about your project manager who bosses you around like you're a little bitch. You're really finding the lowest fruit in the tree to punch at. Go back to work wage slave or your boss will berate you in front of your colleagues again.

>> No.54316795

>>54316750
>>54316734
>>54316751
Management is a trap for people with no technical skills.
Your retarded "network" isn't transferrable to a new role in a new organization.

Last company I worked for went out of business a few years ago.
All of the technical people had new jobs in a few weeks.
One of my old managers basically had to retire and become a stay-at-home dad because he has literally zero skills.

>> No.54316796

>>54316771
>Frankly you started ranting about your project manager who bosses you around like you're a little bitch
Did I ? Show me where I said that ?

>> No.54316822

>>54316795
>One of my old managers basically had to retire and become a stay-at-home dad because he has literally zero skills.
The fate of all corporate managers. Only small company managers have some actual skills. Corporate managers who went at it just for a position in a corporation are mostly doomed unless they move to another corporation, but the people who helped them climb in the old place are just not there in the new corporation.
People forget how much of a closed off society managers in a single company are.

>> No.54316841

>>54316795
You literally admit they make more money than you with 0 skills and somehow this puts managers in a bad light. Oh no no no ahahahahahaha.
Imagine winning so much at life you make more money than someone who trained 15 years in school with 0 skills just by smooth talking your way into a job. And you do fuck all 80% of the time AND you get to boss executory wagies around and berate them in front of people and they can't do shit back.
>b-b-but they will lose their job-bs
Ahahahahaha COPE wagie go back to work or your manager who does nothing all day and makes a lot more will berate you lmaooooo

>> No.54316848

>>54316822
>my boss who makes more just to sit around and order me around like a dog is DOOOMED guys trust me
Looooooool nuclear wagie cope.

>> No.54316865

>>54316795
They had technical skills at one point, but they let them all lapse and forgot how to do anything when they became management. My old boss got fucked over. they wanted to fuck him off and not pay a redundancy so they gave him tasks he could not possibly complete and then demoted him. Once he was demoted he was fucked cos he had forgotten all his skills. Eventually he left on his own accord instead of being sacked for not performing at a lower level. The lesson it taught me was to never let your skills deteriorate.

>> No.54316873

>my boss is losing guys I'm winning
the ultimate and final wagie cope

>> No.54316880

>>54316865
>my old fatass boss with dementia got fired
>therefore all bosses are losing at life
What the fuck is this retarded mental gymnastics haha. You're a bottom feeder in any company my god.

>> No.54316892

>>54316880
what? skills mate, don't let your skills deteriorate. they may come in handy later on in life.

>> No.54316984

>>54316865
>They had technical skills at one point, but they let them all lapse and forgot how to do anything when they became management
Yeah, this also seems pretty common.
Early in my career I had like 10 boomer managers in a row who "used to code Java back in the 90s"
One or two of them moved up the ladder, but at least one of them works at a rent-a-car place now for probably close to minimum wage.

>> No.54317004

>>54316880
>You're a bottom feeder in any company my god
This is the best life, no cap.
I've been a tech pro for 12 years now.

Early on, I'd bust my ass trying to stand out, only to have everyone else pile me up with extra work.
Now I do literally the bare minimum, and try to stay out of everyone's way.

I work maybe 7 hours per week outside of meetings and am still one of the highest performers in my department.
I spend most of my time learning cool new things on blogs / youtube and shitposting on 4chan.

>> No.54317062

imagine wanting to stay a techincal slave kek
imagine not job hopping into better positions and less work

now imagine being a normie with a fat wife 3 bastards kids and a fat mortgage that chains u forever

how are those cucks still alive kek

>> No.54317295

>>54316848
>he has never been in a company collapse and never seen corporations split services
>he hasn't seen what happens to managers then
Why are NEETs even allowed to talk on these topics ?

>> No.54317331

>>54313183
engineers are glorified wagies. way underpaid for the amount of skills they have

>> No.54317349

>>54316880
>he hasn't seen technical people so valuable, that management is afraid to fuck with them, because they simply have nobody who could possibly replace them
LMAO
They become literal neets, except the management is bringing the tendies.

>> No.54317426

>>54317062
Imagine wanting to give up technical skills.
Imagine willingly trading "working on the thing that makes the company money" for circle jerk meetings and beers after work and believing it's good for your career.

The reality is you got filtered.
You were never that good at the tech stuff to begin with.
You always felt like an impostor.
You don't like learning new things - you'd rather sit around getting drunk and watching idiot comedians on GoyTube.
So when the first opportunity came along, you abandoned it for the false safety of a rung on the management ladder.

>> No.54317439

Some degrees are meant for only the upper middle class. Civil degrees are usually not meant for social climbing lower class. It is typically reflected in the pay

>> No.54317460

>>54317439
I've thought about these unspoken rules.

>> No.54317650

>>54317004
Absolutely true for me as well. Moving from head network weenie to infra dir was not at all worth the moderate increase in pay. The stress of managing subpar staff is incredible. Add in the moronic personnel issues you now have to deal with. Unrealistic expectations with no budget. Unrealistic expectations using bottom of the barrel staffing. Fucking midwit network divas, sitting through interviews filled with lies. Mentoring someone with potential only to have them leave for reasonable pay (still nice to see them succeed though). Contracts, budgeting, shitty lunches with vendor after vendor shilling crap.
The worst was the feeling of ownership and responsibility and watching it all go to shit because ppl suck.
Much happier focusing on technical problems and having the option to just forget about it when I am off the clock.

>> No.54317910

>>54316682
Being a tradie is only worth it if, like you are, you eventually work for your own self or in a union. Everything else is akin to a civil/mechanical engineering slave but with the added "bonus" of being an actual boomers personal little bitch for years until you get a license.

>> No.54318178

>>54317426
thanks goy
we need cattle like you to stay in your place
imagine caring about a career and not money
what are you, a woman! kEK

>> No.54318370

>>54313234
Good goy.

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54319762

Not my problem.

>> No.54319793

>>54313183
>Majoring in InfoSys, Biz Analytics
>Apply to analysis jobs
>I dont have enough coding projects, please do a super interview day of skills tests, sorry there's just more qualified or accomplished candidates
>Apply to process management jobs overseeing teams of analysts or data scientists
>hello anon :) so what's a time you had an experience working with a disagreeable coworker? Wow that's very impressive :)
Hard skill jobs are a fucking scam, interviews for business and management style positions are easier and great fast stepping stones to high pay positions

>> No.54320212

>>54317439
which engineering degrees are outside of CS/software?

>> No.54320232

meanwhile I did a bachelors' in finance and never learned math more complicated than multiplication and make 150k on the buy side

imagine being an engineer, fucking fags were always the most arrogant in university thinking they'd be big shots when they graduated. it pleases me reading these frequent engineering cope threads.

>> No.54321040

>>54313183
Every civil engineer I've met has been a midwit. Obviously there are exceptions, but the 3 I'm thinking of in particular just complain about cars and think that everything would be fixed if we sat on buses and trains with undesirables. One has 7 years of experience and makes $70k in an above average COL area. I'm coming up on 3 experience and work as a test engineer so I get paid to travel around the country 2-3 times a month coordinating demos and tests for missiles, radar systems, turrets, etc. I travel about 100 nights a year, tinder platinum makes it easy for me to fuck whores in my hotels and I keep a list of who lives where and things we've talked about so that repeat fucks are easier. I make six figures on top of it.

No idea what it is with civil engineering but I couldn't do it, oh boy we're running a study on this intersection and the lights should run on this timing schedule to optimize throughput, wow so cool. I definitely don't want to fire Spike NLOS at drone swarms in picturesque locations that look like they were straight out of a Clint Eastwood film and fuck the shit out of the local daddy issue girl afterwards.

>> No.54321089

>>54313183
Lmfao you're getting fucked. 40k??? Nigger you gotta be kidding. You could be doing less for 40k. I legit sat on my ass all day and barely showed up working in IT for more. Lmaoooo now that I'm an electrical engineer I'm making 90k

>> No.54321109

>>54321089
Oh forgot to mention I'm maybe 3 years into EE and I'm planning on growing

>> No.54321162

>>54321040
>would be fixed if we sat on buses and trains with undesirables
What undesirables? I live in Eastern Europe and at most you get is some funny drunkard or a rare hobo on the city public transport. The rest is usually just kids and old people, and some regular folks.
Not being forced to deal with car driving, ownership and taxes is nice.

>> No.54321223

>>54321162
Believe me, you do not want to ride a bus with Americans.

>> No.54321592

You can make 40K working at fucking McDonald's now.

>> No.54322187

>>54321162
Try riding public transportation in a large American city. Niggers make it inconvenient to say the least

>> No.54322213

>>54313234
Its one thing to work 10 hour shifts.
It's another to do so 5-6 days a week, especially if it involves something laborious and pays relatively poorly.

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>>54313183

Your own fault for picking such a joke discipline.

Data science jobs are the meta.

> Barely changes YoY, statistics remains the same as it was back when I learned it in uni
> Mostly automated, literally just click a few buttons and "run the analysis" while I sit on my ass
> Only real work is having to explain shit to people, but chatgpt writes the first draft for my reports
> Meanwhile actual coders have to learn new shit all the time, working till 10pm to find that illusive bug in their code, and broader engineering chumps like you earn jack shit.

>> No.54323992

Are the mods purposefully retarded or just willingly arrgoant?
Cause the entire boards filled with nonstop repeatedly daily posting spam threads and stupid schizo namefaggots and it's not even 5pm.
Not a single one of these bullshit spam threads have been pruned.

>> No.54324000

>>54318178
you're both low IQ

he's saying that a technical career is a risk-off investment, whereas management is risk-on
you only need one manager per team of technical experts, making it proportionally more competitive with less demand
there are entire companies out there that will not accept a manager without some baseline of technical skill

unless you're going for the manager role as a stepping stone towards director and VP, you're making a risky bet

>> No.54324161

I don't believe you

>> No.54324221

>>54323965
You aren't a DS, because if you were, you'd know that's never how it goes.

>brb writing monstrous SQL with 10 joins
>brb maintaining some data pipeline
>brb sure let me just SELECT from this magic table that doesn't exist
>brb spending days cleaning datasets

It's a nightmare

>> No.54324294

>>54313183
>bachelor's in civil engineering

A bachelor's degree is meaningless in engineering if you don't also have the licenses to go with it (Engineering Intern and Professional Engineering licenses).

The median income for a Civil Engineering Intern is around 55k and can jump to 70k-90k with the full Professional Engineering License.

I myself am I Civil CAD Technician without a bachelor's degree, and I make 60k a year with 10 years experience.

40k a year means are just getting cucked bro. Probably a onions beta male with no negotiating skills.

>> No.54324376

>>54324000
>you only need one manager per team of technical experts
My man you clearly do not have a job! Teams from McDonald's to Apple have almost as many managers as workers. The people in the higher seats want to do 0 work so they hire more managers in the hopes of not having to deal with any of the workers. My team of 5 engineers had 5 managers at one point and only after a few years were we able to shed one. Managers will always have tricks at their disposal to justify their job.

>> No.54324386

>>54316683
kek love it anon
>OK so I don't exactly make 150k a year but I do make $30/hr and if I work 80hr weeks that's 120k a year which is basically 150k if you round upwards

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54324410

>>54317650
I went from Network Engineer to Network Architect and couldn't be happier.

I let the engineers handle the grunt work and I just do the designs :)

>> No.54325215

>>54324294
Not entirely true, depends on the discipline. For public projects and infrastructure, sure, you want the electrical engineer signing off on your stadium wiring designs to have a PE. But when it comes to most engineering positions, it isn't required at all nor does it mean you'll get paid more than coworkers who don't have it. For most engineers it's useless. I do expect the PE requirements to change at some point in our lives though, since the quality of engineering graduates has gradually decreased.

>> No.54325288

>>54325215
I'd expect that from programming since most kinds of programming don't put people's safety at risk but most kinds of engineering do. I wouldn't want to live in a building built by someone without a license or drive across a bridge, etc...

>> No.54325630

>>54325288
I don't have a PE and work as an engineer in Florida making $128k 3 years experience, having a PE license wouldn't benefit my position or program in any way, same reason most engineers don't get them.

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54325686

>>54321162
>What undesirables?

>> No.54325756

>>54324376
I have never worked in the trainwreck of an organization that you describe
even having more than 1 manager would be detrimental to every team I've worked with

>> No.54325851

>>54325215
No licensed engineer on the team? Good fucking luck signing and sealing the construction documents which is required by every State and municipality in the country.

I mean honestly what kind of ghetto sweatshop call-center backwoods Indian design company do you work for that doesn't need licensed engineers?

>> No.54325908

>>54325851
I’ve yet to meet a licensed engineer besides one of my professors. It’s not useful in many kinds of engineering.

>> No.54325963

>>54325851
>public projects
>infrastructure
Nice reading comprehension, dumbfuck. Go build a bridge and make less than me for it.

>> No.54325975

>>54325963
>>54325851
And to answer your question, Lockheed Martin.

>> No.54326089

>>54325975
Oh

>> No.54327580

>>54313875
>any college grad taking less than $100k

fucking bullshit. college grads are not making 100k out of college. that would apply to below 1% of bachelor graduates.