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54199617 No.54199617 [Reply] [Original]

>QE is back
How long until retarded mouthbreathers stop preaching this. It was not QE.

>> No.54199624

>>54199617
when you ease with quantities of money, QE is a pretty good term to describe that

>> No.54199625

ok Fed wagie

>> No.54199632

Raise of interest rates may show them.

>> No.54199654

QE for the bankers. QT for the average citizen.

>> No.54199666

if it's not butter then why does it taste like butter? i can't even believe this isn't butter. no, fuck you, i'm eating butter right now and you're full of shit there is no way this is margarine. my wife knows i would beat her senseless if she spread that commie crap on my wonderbread so this sure as fuck better be butter.

>> No.54199674

>>54199666
i say this to my wife and agrees

>> No.54200159

>>54199632
Raise bond yields kike.

>> No.54200173

>>54199617
it's not QE because... it just isn't okay!!??

>> No.54200203

>>54199624
QE injects liquidity into the market, this does not.

>> No.54200276

>>54199617
next wednesday when powell raises rates, the normies will panic sell

>> No.54200488

>>54200173
>t. Midwit

>> No.54200508

>>54200203
>crisis because banks are losing liquidity
>fed injects liquidity into them
>IT'S NOT REAL LIQUIDITY THO

>> No.54200520

>>54200508
>t. Captain Midwit

>> No.54200553

>>54200520
Just because they call it something else doesn’t make it different you mongoloid.

>> No.54200559

>>54200520
>t. The real midwit

>> No.54200586
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54200586

>>54199617
it's a two days special financial operation

>> No.54200668

>>54200553
>t. Gigamidwit

>>54200559
>Projecting

>> No.54200797

>>54199617
It's a halt to QT but not exactly QE.

>> No.54200812

Why did they push reserve rates to nothing again? I don't understand what the Fed is doing anymore

>> No.54200868

>>54200508
Real liquidity has never been tried

>> No.54200937

>>54200668
You got those two mixed up you sub 80 IQ nigger

>> No.54201076

>>54200937
>t. King Midwit

>> No.54201104

The way i see it they are going to use the money to pump their assets for the final pump n dump. A bull run that will go for the rest of this decade (with USD being absolutely rekt, hyperinflation etc)

>> No.54201112

>>54199617
Did the Fed's balance sheet expand? Yes? Then it's QE.

>> No.54201117
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54201117

MIDWIT! MIDWIT!!! MIIIDWIIIIIIIIIT!!!!!

YOU'RE THE MIDWIT, JUST BECAUSE OKAY?!

>> No.54201133

>>54199617
It is a different kind of QE this time:
https://youtu.be/hvq5DNU7sME

>> No.54201147
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54201147

>>54201117
SHUT THE FUCK UP MIDWIT ASSHOLE

>> No.54201244

>>54200508
You think there is going to be no reformation in the banking system because of these collapses? You think banks will be allowed to trade as riskily as they have in the past?

Legislation is going to tighten lending criteria, reducing how much a bank is able to lend and lower the amount of approvals for businesses and home buyers.

This isn’t printing money, its a brace before a major correction. But yeah you fall for the midwit “printer go brrrr” tiktok financial advice.

>> No.54201274

I still think it’s closer to an unsecured loan, which while technically illegal for the fed is still a financially sound concept, loaning money to someone for promise of future return.

Sure the fed can baghold the bonds to maturity, but essentially if the banks default the collateral they put up in the form of treasuries will be worth less than the outstanding loan value. So the spread between market and face value on the bonds is the unsecured loan amount and counterparty risk the fed is taking on

>> No.54201685

>>54201274
Nice pilpul rabbai.

>> No.54202070

>>54201244
if you're still around, are you actively trading this market?

>> No.54202077

nigger detected

>> No.54202096

>>54202077
take your meds and stop talking to the mirror anon

>> No.54202107

>>54199617
It's not technically QE because the Fed is not purchasing securities from banks for the express purpose of keeping interest rates down. What the Fed did this past was a liquidity injection into banks in the form of loans with the securities the banks sent to the Fed window as collateral for the exact opposite purpose so that the Fed could keep raising rates. Just because the balance sheet expands does not qualify as QE because the Fed is doing it for the exact opposite reason that they do QE.
Niggers in the thread can tongue my anus if they don't understand banking and economics concepts.

>> No.54202160

>>54202070
No, I expect bitcoin to crab at best within the next year and alts to slowly get shaken down in sats until they bleed out, then the bull run begins.

Btc will go low again, maybe not as low as last year but the last pump was pretty low volume when you exclude the CZ cash injection which was just people trading resistance lines and signals not thinking about the overall sentiment.

I aim to jump back in around August/September when Fed pivots and share market bottoms bringing crypto down for the ride, as speculative assets get trimmed first.

>> No.54202182

>>54200868
this lmao

>>54201244
>swallowing THE EXACT SAME LIES as last time
wew lad

>> No.54202186

>>54202160
You can't read charts if you think bitcoin is going to "crab for a whole year more at best". Maybe a few months more, but midway of 2023 the run will probably commence

>> No.54202217

>>54202107
>the Fed is doing it for the exact opposite reason that they do QE
why?

>> No.54202230

>injects massive quantity of liquidity into banks
>not QE
The same trick of naming things differently works every time on the midwit goyim

>> No.54202252

>>54199617

I just typed out an amazing response and my phone just closed the window on me for no reason, so I'm leaving this thread. Sorry everybody. I'm not typing that shit out again.

>> No.54202258

>>54202252
Kek has happened to me before. I hate that shit

>> No.54202286

>>54202217
So that the Fed can fight inflation by continuing to raise interest rates.

QE = BUY Bonds to keep long term rates down so people get mortgages and businesses take out long term loans and it props up asset value. (Interest Rates Down)

Fed this past week- Liquidity Injection Loans so that the Banks could get the securities off their books that were blowing them up because the Fed has been raising rates for the year so that they fed could keep Raising rates to fight inflation. (Interest Rates Up)

Just because the Fed balance sheet expanded it was for exactly opposite purposes.

>> No.54202317

>>54200508
WE ARE PAYING FOR THIS WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS AND INFLATION HOW DO YOU NIGGERS NOT REALIZE THIS WE LITERALLY JUST BAILED OUT A CALIFORNIA SILICON VALLEY MONEY LAUNDERING OPERATION WITH THE ACCOUNTS OF MILLIONAIRE AND BILLIONAIRES AND NOBODY IS FUCKING PISSED?

>> No.54202335

>>54202317
They weren't bailed out by tax payer money, The accounts are all covered by FDIC insurance for $250k per account. The Gov went in and shut the bank down and seized its assets and sold them off to cover the account holders on the money above $250k

>> No.54202344

>>54199617
It basically is QE though if you’re able to look at the big picture and not be an autistic sperg about definitions

>> No.54202350

>>54200276
They’re going to keep raising rates until an American G-Sib goes down. Even that won’t make them stop, honestly. The rate hikes are financial warfare against the BRICS nations and have nothing to do with fighting inflation. So they will continue until people start mobilizing to overthrow the Fed

>> No.54202360

>>54202344
No it's not, and has nothing to do with definitions. It's about intent and outcomes which what the Fed did last week are the exact opposite of QE

>> No.54202395

>>54202360
Let’s pretend you’re right. What does your revelation accomplish? What does your supposedly correct assessment of this situation lead us to? What other insights can you share?

>> No.54202406

>>54202360
>It's about intent
lmao

let me know their intent when they printed money in 2020. let me know what they said about the "transitory" inflation. intent, lmao

>> No.54202415

>>54202335
HOLY SHIT YOU FUCKING LYING LITTLE KIKE WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK INSOLVENT MEANS? IT MEANS THE BANK DOESNT HAVE EVEN A FRACTION OF ENOUGH ASSETS TO COVER THE DEPOSITS BUT YOU KNOW THAT YOU LYING FILTHY LITTLE JEW WHICH MEANS TO MAKE UP THE FED HAS TO BAIL THEM OUT

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> the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. made $143 billion in credit available to Silicon Valley Bank and another failed bank, Signature Bank of New York.
>https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fed-balance-sheet-balloons-by-almost-300-billion-after-svb-failure-and-effort-to-stop-bank-runs-f58cd3d8

>> No.54202417

>>54202406
Yeah the intent in 2020 and QE before was to lower rates so mortgage rates went down. This is so they can keep mortgage rates going up. Exact opposite intent.

>> No.54202437

>>54202415
Yeah dickhead that money was to backstop in case the asset sale didn't go through. It did so it wasn't needed. Made available and used are different things but you're such a mouth breathing retard you wouldn't notice.
I'm Italian btw you white trash fuck. Now go fuck your cousin.

>> No.54202439

>>54202417
how don't you get it? intent doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is the actual result of said actions

you mention mortgage rates and sure the "intent" followed through, but that same "intent" changed a fuckload more than just mere mortgage rates which as a result put us here in this beyond fucked close to irreparable financial position

same with this liquidity move, it will change a lot more than just one thing like you're implying

>> No.54202444

>>54202335
you are a liar, fuck you

>> No.54202445

>>54202439
The Fed is going to keep raising rates and the economy is going to keep slowing down. That's not stimulus.

>> No.54202459

>>54202444
I don't give a fuck what you think and I'm not a liar, you're just a retard.

>> No.54202489

>>54202445
Tell me how it goes when this rate hike is 25 bps and the following is zero.

You're either a liar in bad faith or a peak midwit.
This is QE, call it however they like, they raised rates with one hand, and give out free money with the other to failing businesses of interest.
They straight out skipped the interest rate part and directly eased giving out credit to insolvent banks.

Again I don't understand what kind of point you're trying to make here, but you'll find out how idiotic you are in a few weeks when markets will pump uncontrollably and the fed keeps ramping up their spending and slows down rate increases

>> No.54202496

>>54202489
I think that this rate hike and the next will both be 50 bps

>> No.54202504

>>54202286
>QE = Fed buys bonds from banks
>now = Fed buys bonds from banks with extra steps
What's the difference? Interest rates are collapsing right now, that's not just capital flight from EU

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54202514

>>54202496
I don't know what to tell you other than you've been caught into narratives

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54202517

>injects $300B back into the system
>has a $2T war chest ready to deploy
>"dude, it's not QE"

>> No.54202528

>>54202504
Here are the Treasury rates, where are they collapsing? Long term rates have gone down a little over the last week compared to short term rates which is an even worse sign for an impending recession.

https://home.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/TextView?type=daily_treasury_yield_curve&field_tdr_date_value_month=202303

>> No.54202565

>>54202496
Then you're retarded.

>> No.54202577

>>54202565
>t. Midwit

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>>54199617
As a bing bong, I wholly approve of this. I got a taste 6k pomp from the dollar surging over the last couple of years against the bong, euro etc. I sodled around 92 cents to the bong.

Now.... I wish to buy my baggies chep. Bring it on darn for me murcia!

>> No.54202885

>>54201244
same thing was said in 08. the result? they went even bigger this time.

>> No.54202905

ITT: midwits

>> No.54202911

>>54202335
wrong. the fed is covering ALL SVB deposits, not just up to 250k. literally 200 billion dollar bail out. you need to read up and research some more because you are talking all sorts of nonsense in this thread.

>> No.54202912

Test

>> No.54202924

>>54201244
>Legislation

Kek, the lobbyist run Congress

>> No.54202930

>>54202350
Wells Fargo is toast already

>> No.54202934

>>54202252
This happens all the time with the cancer called captcha. Fuck this pos site

>> No.54202950

>>54202437
you got it all wrong. the sale of the assets didn't even come close to covering depositors money. the assets in question are 10 year bonds that are worth a fraction of their value because the fed is raising interest rates. the fed now holds those bonds, and they gave SVB 200 billion to cover all their depositors. essentially, they bailed out silicon valley.

>> No.54203091

the bond market knows something which we don't know because in this turmoil they're buying bonds like retards bond yields dumping along the way from beginning.