/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.54180155]

This crisis is about getting rid of small and medium sized banks in order to consolidate power on the path to socialist utopia

[Anonymous No.54180212]

lol neoliberals aren't socialist you clown

[Anonymous No.54180243]

>>54180212
gr8 b8 m8

[Anonymous No.54180245]

>>54180212
>lol neoliberals aren't socialist you clown

[Anonymous No.54180255]

on the plus side, it will be easier to convert people to crypto if small banks disappear and banking looks even more evil being controlled by a handful of elites

[Anonymous No.54180260]

imagine thinking neoliberals are anything but capitalist. they may adopt some aspects of socialist aesthetics to appeal to the working class, but you're fucking clueless if you think they are in any meaningful way socialist

[Anonymous No.54180279]

>>54180155
Jesus taught us to trust large banks. Should be fine.

[Anonymous No.54180281]

>>54180260
you are genuinely a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.54180283]

>>54180212
The term "neoliberals" is completely fucked at this point. It was used for decades to mean "free market conservatives" (GW Bush and Tony Blair were standout neoliberals) but now people use it to mean woke SJW shit and it's nearly impossible to know whether someone is using the proper old construction or the new one.
Neoliberals, in the original definition, certainly aren't socialists.

[Anonymous No.54180288]

>>54180281
why?

[Anonymous No.54180304]

>>54180279
he also told you to pay taxes. face it: jesus is a cuck.

[Anonymous No.54180310]

>>54180155
am i supposed to simp for small and medium sized banks or what
i dont give a fuck

[Anonymous No.54180318]

>>54180310
yes

[Anonymous No.54180351]

>>54180260
> appeal to the working class

[Anonymous No.54180366]

>>54180310
Surrender yourself to Keycorp.

[Anonymous No.54180413]

>>54180283
the entirety of mainstream US politics has been neoliberal for decades and continues to be. the term has become perverted and bastardized but the reality is still the same.
>>54180351
i'm not sure what you're trying to say. they do. i specifically refer to the people you believe are the "socialists". democrats adopt the aesthetic of fighting for the working class while being totally beholden to corporations. it's literally their entire strategy for attracting votes. republicans at least do not pretend and wear their loyalties on their sleeves

[Anonymous No.54180474]

>>54180413
I don't believe they're "socialists" exactly, I believe they're "technocrats" that are using much of the socialist playbook to impose a new kind of tyranny on everyone.

>democrats adopt the aesthetic of fighting for the working class
Democrats exude an open, seething hatred for the working class, unless you're talking about white collar cooperate employees.

[Anonymous No.54180478]

>>54180288
because OPs quote clearly is a comment on the socialist calculation debate / the feasibility of central planning and has absolutely nothing to do with neoliberalism, because regardless of where neoliberals stand in the political spectrum one thing they are not: believers in central planning

[Anonymous No.54180625]

>>54180474
>Democrats exude an open, seething hatred for the working class
i don't think so. they absolutely possess that hatred but present as the opposite, you are just able to see through it
>>54180478
the quote in the picture is what it is. the authorities behind the actions OP writes about are neoliberal. how can you say it has nothing to do with neoliberals? you think politicians and their chosen economists are trying to usher in a socialist revolution?

[Anonymous No.54180662]

"Capitalism has created an accounting apparatus in the shape of the banks, syndicates, postal service, consumers' societies, and office employees' unions. Without big banks socialism would be impossible.

The big banks are the "state apparatus" which we need to bring about socialism, and which we take ready-made from capitalism; our task here is merely to lop off what capitalistically mutilates this excellent apparatus, to make it even bigger, even more democratic, even more comprehensive. Quantity will be transformed into quality. A single State Bank, the biggest of the big, with branches in every rural district, in every factory, will constitute as much as nine-tenths of the socialist apparatus. This will be country wide book-keeping, country-wide accounting of the production and distribution of goods, this will be, so to speak, some thing in the nature of the skeleton of socialist society.

We can "lay hold of" and "set in motion" this "state apparatus" (which is not fully a state apparatus under capitalism, but which will be so with us, under socialism) at one stroke, by a single decree, because the actual work of book-keeping, control, registering, accounting and counting is performed by employees, the majority of whom themselves lead a proletarian or semi-proletarian existence.

By a single decree of the proletarian government these employees can and must be transferred to the status of state employees, in the same way as the watchdogs of capitalism like Briand and other bourgeois ministers, by a single decree, transfer railwaymen on strike to the status of state employees. We shall need many more state employees of this kind, and more can be obtained, because capitalism has simplified the work of accounting and control, has reduced it to a comparatively simple system of book-keeping, which any literate person can do."

>tl;dr Lenin aimed to steal the banks from the government and use them for his own purposes

[Anonymous No.54180676]

>>54180625
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_calculation_debate

[Anonymous No.54180688]

>>54180155
utopia, yes. "socialist"... well, that makes for good marketing

[Anonymous No.54180723]

>>54180676
ok i'm stupid and have no idea what you're talking about. teach me how the current actions taken by the government in relation to the banking crisis is building towards a socialist revolution

[Anonymous No.54180846]

>>54180625
Look at how Democrat types talk about "reckneck fly-over country." They've become coastal elitists.

[Anonymous No.54180852]

>>54180723
well they like banks and I don't like banks and therefore they're socialist, because a socialist once said he would take over a bank

[Anonymous No.54180867]

>>54180846
>working class is when you live in south dakota

[Anonymous No.54180917]

>>54180625
>the authorities behind the actions OP writes about are neoliberal. how can you say it has nothing to do with neoliberals?

no. they are not. the last neoliberal in power in the US was Ronald Reagan.

[Anonymous No.54180961]

>>54180917
> the last neoliberal in power in the US was Ronald Reagan.
lol

[Anonymous No.54180971]

>>54180212
Neoliberal vaguely means "modern american politics" and whatever the fuck it takes to keep the hellscape machine running. Its foolish to argue about it as if it means anything beyond that. Every single president over the past couple of decades is a "neoliberal".

[Anonymous No.54180991]

>hello go-I mean 'comrades', we need to get rid of the fucking tsar and replace him with bankers. It's, uh, for the revolution. Yeah, you'll all be rich. You dumb fucks.

[Anonymous No.54181000]

>>54180971
>Neoliberal vaguely means "modern american politics"
no man it doesn't

[Anonymous No.54181016]

>>54180260
'Capitalism' is not a system. You are referring to a combination of free markets and private property as though it's an ideological enemy organization trying to deprive you of rights, in reality you're a seething faggot probably with rich parents. Now kys, get the fuck off my board, it's a refutation of your own 'philosophy' that you keep coming here looking for alpha on the next big thing hoping to get rich while preaching collectivism and the end of property. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.54181020]

>>54180971
>Neoliberal vaguely means "modern american politics" and whatever the fuck it takes to keep the hellscape machine running.
Neoliberalism proper refers to the resurgence of lasseiz faire economics. But you're right insofar as you can't really discuss "neoliberalism" as a free floating ideology without discussing its history and the conditions in which it exists. Like the fact that the "free market" is a fiction and the US economy depends on hundreds of billions of dollars siphoned off the global economy every year through the militarily-enforced USD as the global reserve currency

[Anonymous No.54181040]

>>54181016
>uhhhh sweaty? Real capitalism has never been tried. Only an ideologically pure version that has never existed in reality is real capitalism
Yeah, don't care + ur a faget

[Anonymous No.54181044]

>>54180991
cute ears uwu

[Anonymous No.54181061]

>>54180155
Bullish for Checkdot.

[Anonymous No.54181086]

>>54180155

[Anonymous No.54181096]

>>54181016
>a combination of free markets and private property as though it's an ideological enemy organization trying to deprive you of rights
in other words, a series of mechanics to create an interconnected construct? in other words.... a system? you baboon

[Anonymous No.54181120]

>>54181016
>You are referring to a combination of free markets and private property
in other words, a series of mechanics to create an interconnected construct? in other words.... a system? you baboon

[Anonymous No.54181131]

>>54181086
where's the amogus

[Anonymous No.54181193]

>>54180155
Except suisse bank is huge retard and it's primarily a lender rather than a normal bank.

[Anonymous No.54181218]

>>54180212
>he still believes neolibs are a tangible ideology that is actually in power

lmao
have you taken a single look at literally any state institution lately?
We can argue endlessly about who is serving who, but at the end of the day the result will be a merger between state and corporate power leading to a centralized system in the image of what socialists always dreamed about.

A corporation cemented as a monopoly by the state is in effect the same as a state cementing itself as a monopoly player on the markets. Literally no difference.

[Anonymous No.54181243]

>>54181040
>>54181120
No faggot tranny, capitalism is a word used by socialists and appropriated by trannies to refer to non-socialism and the wrong brands of socialism. People buying and selling things to each other is not an organized system and no one organizes the "business party for businesses and fuck socialism" party to push it. Now fuck off. This is the BUSINESS board not the RETARDED PHILOSOPHIES CREATED BY NEETS board, /r9k/ is where people like Karl Marx should be.

[Anonymous No.54181310]

>>54180662

Government isn't taking over the banking system.
Banking system is taking over governance and has been for the last 20 years in the US.

[Anonymous No.54181338]

>>54180155
https://youtu.be/OL766y0C95o

>Lie, cheat, deceive, connive
>Buy now, pay later
>Consolidate your loans
>Take more, give less
>Drive big
>Eat all you can
>Survival of the fattest
>Shock and awe
>Regime change
>Do as I say, not as I do
>Eye for an eye
>Free money
>If you fall over, sue the company
>Diminished responsibility
>Everything is acceptable as long as house...prices....don't.....craaash.......

[Anonymous No.54181345]

>>54180723
interest rate hikes after prolonged periods of low-interest rates tend to disintegrate small players first, leading to a "natural" flow of capital from those to bigger (supposedly) safer banks.

Once these go belly up the state hops in with bailouts (more printed money) traded for shares.

Whether or not this is a conscious move by centralizers (I actually doubt it) it certainly plays into their hands.

[Anonymous No.54181355]

>>54181131
i don't know what that is, zoomer

[Anonymous No.54181390]

>>54181218
a merger of state and corporations is not socialism

[Anonymous No.54181459]

>>54181218
Except the corporate leaders have no military power aka what matters.
They will be arrested killed and have their companies absorbed into the gov as a national asset or controlled by puppets of the gov.

[Anonymous No.54181483]

>>54180155