/XMR/ Monero General

[Anonymous No.54131414]

Welcome to the Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's leading decentralized P2P privacy cryptocurrency!

Monero is secure, low-fee, and fungible, meaning users can send XMR around the globe despite corrupt governments or broken financial systems. Innovative privacy features such as Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses, and Ring CT ensure that Monero's blockchain is obfuscated -- In other words, the financial history of all Monero users is encrypted from the prying eyes of adversaries on a public blockchain, with transactions being visible only by a user willingly providing a view key.

Monero has also improved upon the scaling downsides of current popular cryptocurrencies. To avoid high fees, dynamic block size ensures that the size of the blocks will increase as the amount of transactions increases. Further, the mining network algorithm RandomX establishes that anybody with a CPU can participate in mining, preventing the ASIC miner domination that creates a high barrier to entry. Lastly, the mining network will be preserved by Tail Emission -- instead of the block reward falling to zero like with Bitcoin, the block reward gradually approached 0.6 XMR in June 2022, where it will forever stay. This constant linear inflation means the inflation rate will asymptotically go to zero while continuing to provide an incentive to miners to maintain the network.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.

XMR Redpill: https://yewtu.be/wq6w03E2DS4

XMR Stats: moneroj.net

USE Monero: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/

OFFICIAL WEBSITE - getmonero.org

WHERE TO GET MONERO?

>KYC:
Kraken
Binance
Bitfinex

>Non KYC:
LocalMonero
Morphtoken
Bisq
Kucoin
Tradeogre
Crypto ATMs
see: kycnot.me

>Mining
archive.is/TWOah

HOW TO STORE MONERO?

>Desktop
Official Gui/Cli
Feather

>Mobile
IOS: Cakewallet
Android: Monerujo

[Anonymous No.54131429]

Pole

[Anonymous No.54131446]

Previous thread:
>>54061134

[Anonymous No.54131466]

START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL
START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

[Anonymous No.54131479]

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

[Anonymous No.54131508]

Never forget what this is ultimately all about (it is about Monerochan).

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://monero.com/marketplace
https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/
https://acceptedhere.io/catalog/currency/xmr/

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Buy silver bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>AlphaBay STATUS UNCLEAR!!
>Archetyp
>Astra #
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Dark Matter
>Darkmoon
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Mellow Market
>Retro Market
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/yaUPVLvk


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Elude
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/AnkqVGjp


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

[Anonymous No.54131523]

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE


>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

[Anonymous No.54131535]

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

[Anonymous No.54131565]

>>54131535
Tummy

[Anonymous No.54134191]

>>54131565
yes

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54134340]

Reporting in
##################################
IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

[Anonymous No.54134556]

>>54131429
aeiou

[Anonymous No.54134600]

>>54131535
this bitch is side-hoe material.
pump and dump
;)

[Anonymous No.54135322]

[Anonymous No.54135601]

unprotected sex with orange girl

[Anonymous No.54136393]

can you actually set the tx fee amount of a transaction you are about to make?
i was thinking the other day that if xmr goes to moon (not a moonfag, just an hypothetical case) let's say 50k per xmr, then the tx fee is going to be pretty high, around 0.00003 xmr or $1.5 usd.
how would this work?

[Anonymous No.54136673]

Which Wallet should I use? Feather or GUI?

[Anonymous No.54136786]

>>54136393
Transaction fees go down in XMR with more usage, so assuming some correlation with usage and a large increase in price, it shouldn't be that high.

[Anonymous No.54136813]

>>54136393
you are not supposed to change it, really. It kills privacy.

[Anonymous No.54136827]

>>54136673
GUI is my go-to. Has mining software built-in so if you use Windows it will go insane if you don't add an antivirus exemption.

[Anonymous No.54136848]

>>54136673
Feather for sure.

[Anonymous No.54136850]

>>54135601
Bros, how many XMR for a Monerochan Dom waifu?

[Anonymous No.54137080]

>>54136850
69.

[Anonymous No.54137171]

>>54137080
I dont have enough yet

[Anonymous No.54137247]

Anything that isn't PoW is a scam.
Anything that isn't ASIC resistant is a scam.

[Anonymous No.54137310]

>>54136393
They raised the minimum fee to 0.00003 to prevent spam, they would probably just lower the fee if the price went up. I don't think they really give a shit right now though because nobody here is anticipating crypto "investors" to start "investing" in monero, which is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.54137618]

>>54137310
>They raised the minimum fee
how? did they change it in a hard fork?

>>54136813
i'm not supposed to. but can i?
is this amount set by your wallet or by the currency code?

[Anonymous No.54139109]

Reporting in,
fuck Bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.54139158]

When are drug vendors gonna hurry up and play suit

[Anonymous No.54139571]

can someone make a monero-chan edit on this pic if it is even possible?

[Anonymous No.54139774]

>>54139158
dread may be back down rn but they dropped a new clear net link with active markets

daunt. link

[Anonymous No.54139904]

>>54139158
found the reddit post

reddit.com/r/DreadAlert/comments/11k82ez/announcing_the_launch_of_daunt_dos_attacks_end/

[Anonymous No.54140252]

>>54137618
yeah regular hard forks are done to the network for upgrading features.
here is the most recent update of hte software from just a few weeks ago.
>getmonero.org/2023/02/26/monero-0.18.2.0-released.html

[Anonymous No.54140365]

>>54140252
You seem to know a lot. May I ask you question?

[Anonymous No.54141059]

>>54140365
whats up

[Anonymous No.54141142]

>ser this is monero support helpdesk, what technical issues do you need help with?

[Anonymous No.54141266]

>>54141142

Watch the Jim Browning YouTube channel, one of the funniest things in existence are jeet scammers trying to fake an American accent.

[Anonymous No.54141318]

>>54141059
When’re we getting rich lad?

[Anonymous No.54141362]

>>54141318
kek, probably tomorrow

[Anonymous No.54141709]

>>54136393
custom tx fees are a heuristic which can de-anonymize you. This is why all monero wallets use the same fee-selection algorithm. I wouldn't worry about it anon, trying to micro-manage your fees is bad for your privacy.
If monero is like $50k we can just split the chain and do atomic swaps between them.
At that point we are talking global adoption, so we have bigger problems (opportunities) than fees on mainnet!

>>54141318
I don't know. I all know is that my steak tastes better when I take my steak-tastes-better-pill.

[Anonymous No.54141813]

>>54140252
>here is the most recent update of hte software from just a few weeks ago.
should be noted that this is NOT a hard fork. Hard forks occur in less frequency.
>>54140365
>>54141318
kek

[Anonymous No.54141850]

Also I just bought this 4chan pass with monero to test swappers like trocador.app . Works great if you are willing to wait ~10 minutes for the confirm times. My recommendation is to use a coin with 0-conf and low fees like litecoin and bitcoin cash, or just swap to bitcoin LN if the merchant accepts.
I wish I knew about this type of stuff a couple months ago when I was buying VPS stuff from a site that only accepts BTC.
all I know is that I feel fantastic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zidiWe9yq88

[Anonymous No.54142043]

Win Monero by guessing the last digit of the next Monero block hash on https://monero.win

[Anonymous No.54142391]

>>54141850
>bitcoin LN if the merchant accepts.
fuck no

[Anonymous No.54142782]

>>54142391

[Anonymous No.54143231]

>>54142782
It doesn't matter, because if you are swapping xmr to another cryptocurrency to pay for something, the privacy problems are on the side of the swapper.

[Anonymous No.54143957]

>>54141266
the funniest thing was jimmy boy falling for a scam and deleting his channel

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54144065]

>>54143957
how is the weather in mumbai

[Anonymous No.54144300]

>>54144065
not a streetshitter
still funny

[Anonymous No.54145456]

>>54143231
It does matter because I don't want to support bitcoin maxi degeneracy with my buy order.

[Anonymous No.54146100]

>it's the year 2040
tell me the status of xmr and the world
I need to start planning ahead

[Anonymous No.54146123]

>>54146100
A thousand Liechtensteins

[Anonymous No.54146431]

[Anonymous No.54147715]

Is local monero legit or is it a glownigger honeyhole? I need to cash out a 5 figure sum without KYC. I want cash in the mail. What do?

[Anonymous No.54148153]

XMR may not be the best investment but it's indeed useful for surviving the Kali Yuga.

[Anonymous No.54148321]

Decided to run my own node and it's taking ages to sync damn you!

[Anonymous No.54148515]

>>54148321
You need an SSD. HDD can take weeks, no joke.

[Anonymous No.54149031]

>>54139571
Ask monerochanart bro to add to monerchan.art. I will pitch in to the idea.

[Anonymous No.54149042]

>>54139571
BOOBA

[Anonymous No.54149388]

>>54147715
How about splitting the withdraw orders into smaller parts?

[Anonymous No.54149933]

>>54148515
Why is that. What causes HDDs to take literal weeks to sync? Like yeah they're slower but not THAT slow.

[Anonymous No.54150276]

>>54149933
The other guy is memeing, it will take 4~5 days to fully sync, I have a node hosted in a separate HDD.
But the thing is that SSDs are much faster, at least four times, than rotating disks so it's recommended unless you have time to wait.

[Anonymous No.54150927]

Might as well repost this here from the other general at >>54129921

Monero will have a lower supply than bitcoin until 2040. In 2040-2050 bitcoin will succumb to selfish mining attacks due to vanishing miner reward as tx fees cannot keep up[1][2]. In Monero, the block reward stays constant to protect the network, but annual inflation as a % of total supply (inflationary effect) still asymptotically trends to zero.
[1] https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/094.pdf
[2] https://sci-hub.st/downloads/2019-09-06/e8/[e-mail]#page=241

[Anonymous No.54150999]

I haven't been here for a year. what's new? atomic swaps used to be the holy grail but XMR is worth exactly what it's always worth so I guess they haven't transpired

[Anonymous No.54151182]

>>54150999
Checked
Atomic swaps on BTC are live but unidirectional. A chink chick is working on an ETH swap that will hopefully suck less.
ErCiccione abandoned haveno like the faggot we all thought he was. Cake wallet took over the project and is slowly becoming the blockstream of monero

[Anonymous No.54151350]

MONEROMARKET.IO

[Anonymous No.54151429]

>>54148153
the best investment is in yourself anon

[Anonymous No.54151517]

>>54151429
worse

[Anonymous No.54151752]

>>54149933
The Monero database is fast, but requires storage with fast random IO, whichbHDDs are particularly terrible at

[Anonymous No.54152653]

>>54151517
zoom out

[Anonymous No.54152675]

the fall from grace for bitshitters will be apocalyptic to say the least

think of how utterly trapped they will be, atleast with dogshit real estate decisions you can rent or with gold you have something physical and fungible, bitcoin is literally the absence of value, it is the worst bubble in human history, and it will be too late, the amount of untold satisfaction I will feel when these morons get justed will probably be permanent

[Anonymous No.54152866]

>>54139571
>if it is even possible?
Yes, but at what cost?

[Anonymous No.54152914]

>>54152653
Like this?

[Anonymous No.54153562]

>>54152653
No amount of copium can save the dogshit price action of xmr

[Anonymous No.54153612]

>>54153562
Than fuck off back to where you came from moonboy

[Anonymous No.54153669]

Anons I'm looking to buy a Steam key for Cuphead with XMR, I'm a little short but I should be able to afford it.
Any places you'd recommend I grab the key from? EU region if it's not a worldwide key.

[Anonymous No.54153839]

>>54153562
>dogshit price action of xmr

Ah, there we go, the Appeal to Price Action, the maxipad's last line of defense kek.

Here's the thing, if you know you're in a clownworld market then you know 2 key things:

#1: to not take ANY price action seriously as long as literal dog memes are cracking the Top 10

#2: that sanity will eventually return to the market and when that happens, fundamentals will finally be rewarded.

And *this* is why holding Monero is SO comfy! Namely, because you can actually observe its adoption in relevant real-world markets increasing over time you can be sure its fundamentals are rock-solid and that it won't go crashing to zero along with all the other useless memecoins once this hype-fueled house of cards finally collapses.

[Anonymous No.54153948]

>>54153669
what you need is someone to act as a middleman between you and ant generic keys store

[Anonymous No.54154070]

>>54153839

[Anonymous No.54154307]

>>54153948
Thanks Anon I see where you're coming from.
But I just wanted to spend my XMR and enjoy the game really.

[Anonymous No.54154538]

>>54153669
>>54154307
https://www.keys4coins.com

https://www.coinsbee.com

[Anonymous No.54154573]

>>54154070

Gee, I which metric is more relevant in the long run!

[Anonymous No.54154944]

>>54154538
There they are, thanks fren

[Anonymous No.54155140]

>>54147715
If you're not in a hurry just create your order on LocalMonero, describe your conditions and wait until someone buy it from you. If you were in my jurisdiction I would buy from you just to provide liquidity to cash in mail markets.

[Anonymous No.54155173]

>>54149933
>HDDs
Yes they are very slow. LMDB but blockchain in general requires a great amount of I/O so it makes a difference. That being said it will only take a long time to sync for the first time, once it's synced if you plan to start it up every couple of days (or maybe it will be running 24/7) then it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.54157275]

Damn it! I downloaded the gui for the monero wallet. I went through the process of verifying the binaries that's on monero's website. The hashes didn't match up at all.

[Anonymous No.54157334]

>>54157275
Downloaded the gui from where? What version?

HOW did you go about verifying the binaries?

I'll try to recreate the issue.

[Anonymous No.54157418]

>>54157275
>>54157334

>sha256sum monero-gui-install-win-x64-v0.18.2.0.exe
>they match

>sha256sum monero-gui-linux-x64-v0.18.2.0.tar.bz2
>they match

thinking it's user error.

[Anonymous No.54157572]

>>54157334
Off of getmonero.org. under downloads, there is a section called Verify. I clicked on the beginner's guide for windows. I went through that whole list. I've never used powershell before, but I'm pretty sure I did that right. Obviously McAfee put the download in quarantine, but I think I got it out of there right as it wasn't listed in quarantine anymore.

[Anonymous No.54157689]

>>54157572
that's what I figured, was just confirming.

On Linux I just ran the commands in >>54157418 this post and both the windows installer and the Linux .bz2 and both matched the reported hashes.

I have no idea how to check it on Windows but I'd assume https://docs.precisely.com/docs/sftw/spectrum/ProductUpdateSummary/ProductUpdateSummary/source/about_sha256.html
might help if this is not the way you did it

[Anonymous No.54158340]

>>54157689
Ok I read through the link you gave me and got the right hash to come up. With your link the powershell command was get-filehash. On the guide I was using before, the command was certUtil -hashfile.

[Anonymous No.54158453]

>>54151182
>Cake wallet took over the project and is slowly becoming the blockstream of monero
Good to see other people are seeing this shit, it's concerning.

[Anonymous No.54158460]

>>54152675
yeah unfortunate but it has to happen

[Anonymous No.54158493]

>>54153839
BITCOIN GON GO UP! BITCOIN GON GO UPPPPP!

[Anonymous No.54158548]

>>54158453
It's sort of aids situation but who wants to release an iOS app?
Actually, I might work on a minimalistic monero wallet app. Can you release the source code for iOS apps? I wonder.

[Anonymous No.54158592]

>>54158453
Why is this concerning? I've had nothing but experiences using Cake for normie friendly transacting with XMR.

[Anonymous No.54158616]

>>54158592
*good experiences

[Anonymous No.54158646]

>>54158453
you guys aren't the only ones.

I've mentioned this before but I think as long as they
>stick to wallet and fiat on/offramp services
>are not the only game in town for this niche
I don't think it's a significant problem. We need companies who are willing to do things with monero if we expect it to survive in what is objectively a fiat-centric world, but we need to constantly be promoting an underdog rather than continually championing the same few well-established ones.

Balance is paramount.

[Anonymous No.54158751]

>>54158592
>>54158616
Over the years Blockstream developed into a leviathan in the bitcoin world, eventually getting to the point (still to this day) where most of the people further developing bitcoin are hand-picked by blockstream. This has lead to this majority of sponsored devs deciding against features that would have made Bitcoin better, because it allowed Blockstream to effectively sell a solution.

Fast forward to today and on-chain BTC transactions are laughably expensive and slow, while a 2nd layer solution that promotes centralization and a banking-like power structure. BTC has effectively been turned into a bank if you want to use it regularly.

Not to mention the ASIC megafarms and manufacturers and their shenanigans. Decentralization needs to extend beyond hashrate on the chain and also cover the companies and organizations producing things or doing things with/for monero.

Cakewallet is the best and most promoted mobile wallet on the market by a wide margin and THAT IS the problem. I say this with it installed on my phone.

[Anonymous No.54158802]

>>54158646
>>54158751
Sure, I'm sure their service is good for some users that want integrated payment and swapping functionality... the problem is that no one else has released a competitor because of the barrier to entry. The situation is better on android cause monerujo.

[Anonymous No.54160315]

[Anonymous No.54160409]

>>54158548
I do believe cakewallet is open source, but why would you want to have your wallet on a phone? Terrible idea for any sizable amount of money.

[Anonymous No.54160452]

>>54158646
Agreed. I just think it is something community members need to pay attention to and watch out for, we do NOT want Monero to be coopted like they did with bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.54160541]

>>54158453
>>54160409
I use cake for normie shit and a different wallet for everything else. keep a relatively small amount on cake wallet. it works fine, but it's certainly less secure. not really sure if there's a better mobile wallet or not. never bothered to look.

[Anonymous No.54160792]

>>54131414
https://twitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1635263538477531136
>gets put on bitcoin-only company payroll
>says bitcoin privacy is "good enough" within the year
really makes ya wonder doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.54160848]

>>54160792
>if we keep identity off-chain by avoiding KYC.
Pseudonymous wallets are one step above worthless, but they still hold no real value.
Get a load of this "I'm not a Bitcoin maximalist. I'm not a Monero maximalist. I'm a freedom maximalist." guy that supposedly cares about privacy.

[Anonymous No.54160969]

>>54160792
kinda disheartening seeing Seth pick this path, for now. Bitcoin privacy is not good enough for the n00bs. It is literally irresponsible to let your loved ones use BTC without first teaching them

1) how to run their own Ronin Dojo node (or, you can run for them and share them the node .onion address for them to connect to)
2) how to use Samourai Whirlpool to obfuscate the history of the coins they get into their wallets
3) how to use the collaborative two person coinjoins with another person

Without using BTC /this way/ it is quite dangerous for a normie to use Bitcoin.

So, no, it is not "good enough" by default.

Anyways, check out Seth's latest Monero Talk interview. He hasn't given up on XMR:
https://lbry.projectsegfau.lt/@MoneroTalk:8/is-monero-traceable-with-sethforprivacy:a

[Anonymous No.54161225]

>>54160969

Seth ain't stupid, he obviously knows XMR is clearly superior to BTC, he just can't be seen saying it now on account of being on the payroll, homie's got mouths to feed.

[Anonymous No.54161586]

>>54160969
>Bitcoin privacy is not good enough for the n00bs
this is the biggest problem. I don't think it can be fixed because all this shit works on L1, and they are dedicated to having 1MB blocks still. So all this mixing and stuff will cost you a pretty penny on bitcoin. Not to mention that optional privacy means you still are mixing with other tainted outputs...
I am not so worried about bitcoin implementing CTs and stuff. They don't hard fork at all.

>>54161225
Nothing wrong with making some $$$ appeasing the "everything is fine" bitcoin crowd. Everything is fine until it isn't.

[Anonymous No.54161648]

>>54160792
>really makes ya wonder doesn't it?
Good to know that from now on sethforprivacy is just paid programming.

[Anonymous No.54161725]

>>54161586
>they are dedicated to having 1MB blocks still. So all this mixing and stuff will cost you a pretty penny on bitcoin.
That's correct. For months now, bitcoin on-chain fees are high. There are tens of thousands of waiting transactions trying to enter the next block. That backlog never gets cleared out and that sustains high fee rates. For example, now it is more than a dollar to enter the next block. And that is a huge turnoff for me (a third world'er, dollar is expensive).

Even though Samourai whirlpool had a 25℅ discount rate for the last 3 days, due to high btc on chain fees, I did not use the Whirlpool coinjoin.

I can't imagine normies paying this much (and higher in the future, too) fee to get in a block in the next hour.

Contrast this UX with XMR: pay a penny. Get into the next block. Transaction fees get cheaper as more users use it, due to dynamic block size. Private by default, always.

BTC is inferior.

[Anonymous No.54161810]

>>54160792
It already is.
Fuck this faggot sell out.

[Anonymous No.54162158]

>>54160792
>>54160848
>>54160969
>>54161586
>>54161725
Encouraging king shitcoin adoption is no different than sticking with fiat unironically. It encourages the development of a transparent immutable record of every financial transaction ever made. It is the death of privacy forever and the enslavement of humanity.
The more it is adopted the more resources are devoted to surveillance of it, more people have their lives ruined because they trusted 'good enough' privacy tools that inevitably turn out to be not good enough. It wastes resources that could have gone to developing actual privacy solutions on something which will never be private by design.
He is encouraging the development of the very panopticon he claims he wants to avoid and he's doing it for a pay cheque but has the gall to lie about it.
How much was your soul worth, sell out Seth?

[Anonymous No.54162446]

[Anonymous No.54162489]

https://twitter.com/AnarkioC/status/1623522838534578180

[Anonymous No.54162524]

>>54160792
>>54161225
>>54162158
Problem with Seth and anyone else using social media is that they feel they have to justify their "position" all the time to please the crowd.
The kid likes monero and has certainly invested his time on developing resources for the project. Then he accomplished his dream of quitting his 9 to 5 normie job to work exclusively with cryptocurrency but the catch is that it's for a bitcoin-only company.
Now for some extremely dumb reason he decided it was time to post on his blog about how he's dedicating his time to bitcoin instead of monero. Seth my fucking negro everyone already knew you were on a Bitcoin-company payroll and literally no one cares. You're free to make money whatever way you feel like and of course you will be putting more time on bitcoin you fucking retard you're working for a bitcoin-only company.
But no, you had to go out and try to explain why it's so so so SO IMPORTANT to work on bitcoin oh my fucking God it's the most important thing evaaahh literally no one cares dude, your shitty post just makes you look like a retard, because the exact number of zero people believe that bitcoin's privacy is "good enough". Unless you don't mind being surveilled, and you know that.
>B-But it's pseudo-anonymous and that might be good enough...
No it's not good enough. It's pseudo-anonymous until it's not anymore. You know this shit. And to get to the pseudo part you have to follow a fuck ton of steps or buy extremely specific hardware. Fuck off bro
Just keep doing the work. I don't care if it's on bitcoin or monero. Do the work and report back. Make progress in shit that matter. No one cares about this nonsensical personal monologue pondering if it's worth or not worth to work on bitcoin.

[Anonymous No.54162601]

>>54152914
No
>>54153562
Bitcoin becoming an antique will certainly be satisfying

[Anonymous No.54162726]

>>54162446
I still remember those graphics from a maybe a month ago about how "the mempool is still not bloated, it'll go back down". Those people mysteriously disappeared huh.

[Anonymous No.54163060]

>>54162446
To all here in this thread:
We need to convince the core team to remove tx_extra or force tx_extra to be encrypted and short if enabled.
Spread the word. We do not want this NFT trash.
https://mordinals.org/

[Anonymous No.54163099]

>>54163060

Counter-point: https://twitter.com/BawdyAnarchist_/status/1636409412461150208

[Anonymous No.54163205]

>>54163099
Someone on twitter going on about how we should allow the chain to be bloated doesn't really matter to me. Keep this NFT nonsense on places where it's encourages like ethereum or whatever your favorite "smart contract" shitchain is.

[Anonymous No.54163631]

>>54163205
>>54163060

There's a lot of discussion going on it Matrix over this which I encourage everyone to read.

tx_extra should not be removed, but strictly limited to either 0 or 256 bytes. Removal is a short-sighted solution which doesn't even solve the problem* and may hold Monero back in the long term by limiting its flexibility.

*I'll go into a little more detail here. People who want to store data on-chain can and will use outputs instead if tx_extra is removed. Output spam is much worse for Monero than tx_extra, because output bloat can never be pruned, and reduces privacy for the entire network.

So for people who have a legitimate reason to store a little bit of data on-chain (DEX's, atomic swaps, or anything else which builds on Monero), they'd either be forced to scrap their project or cause needless harm to the network if tx_extra is removed. Illegitimate usage like Ordinals wouldn't be able to fit on-chain either way, but smaller 32-byte commitments could, so it's the same situation.

So in short there's no actual harm in keeping tx_extra, at least not compared to output spam. Meanwhile removal would bring unnecessary costs to the network, fail to solve the problem it's intended to, and limit Monero's capability to be extended.

[Anonymous No.54163999]

>>54160792
sad

[Anonymous No.54164026]

$ethforprivacy

[Anonymous No.54164192]

>>54163631
>but strictly limited to either 0 or 256 bytes.
This seems reasonable. Then there's no chance of morons spamming the chain with NFTs (or, the CIA spamming CP onto the chain as an excuse to take it down) using tx_extra as an attack vector.

I suppose you can use the output field if you wanted, but you can't transfer these "NFTs" since you would need to have the private key for this output, no? That is, you'd "send" your image by turning it to base 58 and then have an output to an address with the same bytes as your image, no? If there is a different way to do it then I'd be curious as to how it would actually work.

I think the main thing is that we shouldn't have tx_extra allowed to bloat the chain by massive amounts for no reason.

[Anonymous No.54164264]

>>54162524
"Pseudo anonymous" kek what a fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.54164298]

>>54162524
>>54164264
The word you want is "pseudonymous."

[Anonymous No.54164433]

>>54164192

Outputs as they exist on-chain are very different from the "addresses" which we give to each other to send around Monero. Outputs are ultimately just pseudorandom bytes, so if you know what you're doing then you can store anything in them.

I agree, tx_extra definitely needs to be restricted. My point is just that outright removal is not a good idea IMO.

[Anonymous No.54164810]

>>54164433
>>54164192
>>54163631
>>54164433
I wonder if it's possible to produce a proof that an output is real or not, and have similar limitations for projects that would use tx_extra (atomic swaps, etc.), or perhaps have nodes exclude tx_extra by default? (so it's just a hash in the merkel tree? idk.). That would solve this whole situation.

[Anonymous No.54164958]

>>54164810

No, it's not possible. Any restriction you place can be bypassed in some way.

And the problem is not really the raw space which people can use tx_extra to waste. They'd have to pay higher fees anyway. It's a factor, but not the big one. The real issue is that it can be abused to spam crap like ordinals, and can harm fungibility. Like I said it's impossible to prevent spam, but the damage caused by it can be at mitigated to a certain extent.

[Anonymous No.54165254]

>>54164298
>being this pedantic
I would be very pleased if you were to go back to re*dit.

[Anonymous No.54165397]

>>54164958
>No, it's not possible
Really? Are you sure it's not possible to prove that the outputs are valid through some sort of cryptographic zero-knowlege-macguffin-loophole-magic?

>Any restriction you place can be bypassed in some way.
Really? You just need to restrict the data so that it must also satisfy certain mathematical properties that make it inconvenient enough to add arbitrary data. Perhaps you could make the data meet a certain kolmogorov complexity or something... I don't know

>>54165254
Don't worry I found a webm of this guy

[Anonymous No.54165512]

In related news, nobody wants Zcash lol

[Anonymous No.54165623]

>>54160792

[Anonymous No.54165970]

>>54165397

Yes. Attempts to prevent steganography can ALWAYS be bypassed. Cryptographic magic works to prove that random bullshit DOES have some kind of meaning, where the proof you're proposing works to prove that random bullshit DOESN'T have meaning, ie an encoded message. It's a fundamentally impossible task.

[Anonymous No.54166237]

Hi monero chads, here's a question: In your view, what would be a monero-friendly country to live in, where you could be free to transact, save and invest using monero? Does such thing exist? Or which one would come closest to this ideal?

[Anonymous No.54166322]

>>54160792
>maxipads just buy out one of the most prominent proponents of Monero

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54166416]

>>54163631
This is probably the smarter solution, greatly limit how large it can be rather than eliminate it and potentially cause other issues down the line.

[Anonymous No.54166803]

>>54165512
Speaking of which, where did the Zcash shill go? I'm going to assume he wasn't doing it for free and he got cut off now.
Lol, lmao.

[Anonymous No.54167075]

>>54163060
I really hope someone convinces them what do we need to do literally the nft ploy its probably a cia plan to bloat the lain literally cryptopunks was the worst most retarded aspect of crypto to ever exist what do we need to do or how to convince the develops to prevent this fucking nft retards spamming the chain

[Anonymous No.54167273]

>>54167075
One option is to just start spamming it with gore, racism, etc. until they realize it's uncool to host a block explorer for it or be involved in it in any way.

Another option is to just ignore it. This is sort of cringe, but maybe also report it on github under "cryptocurrency abuse/malware" and basically just describe it as a form of malware that forces other cryptocurrency users to download and store unwanted files (that are racist and sexist and say the n word oh no!), and spams the network with false outputs which makes the network unsafe for users and de-anonymizes them.

[Anonymous No.54167293]

>>54166803
>Buy Zcash if you really want to ma-ACK

[Anonymous No.54167775]

>>54164264
psycho anonymous

[Anonymous No.54167800]

>>54166237
One of the tax free islands. Vanuatu or the Caymans.

[Anonymous No.54167905]

>>54163060
>>54163099
>>54163631
>>54164192
>>54164433
>>54164810

Wouldn't Jamtis solve this "building block" problem?
From what I got, it changes the structure of keys such as to allow the receiver to send back XMR without needing to share anything at all. Isn't this the major use for tx_extra anyways?
Genually interested in this discussion.

[Anonymous No.54168169]

>>54167905

There are plans to either overhaul or remove tx_extra with Seraphis+Jamtis, but that might not be here for a couple years.

[Anonymous No.54168192]

>>54167905
As the twitter user explains, jamtis will also "fix" it by increasing the ringsize, so the threat of output spamming is decreased.

But to be fair, if someone is going out of their way to use tx_extra to indicate they are fucking with outputs, that's really more of a blackball than output spamming.

[Anonymous No.54168729]

>>54168192
I feel this is not a problem that we need to wait to be solved i am sure for example bitcoin is fucked the next 5 years all because some fucking etherium maxis decided they want to fill their shit in every blockchain

[Anonymous No.54168783]

>>54168729
dude bitcoin rocks lmao

[Anonymous No.54169359]

Ah fuck i wanted to monopolize this idea and see if i could profit from this but i want to know who wants to develop a general ai monerochan

[None !yh61b5VF1M No.54170729]

You guys are aware that we have morbs now, right?

https://mordinals.org

Ill put stuff on the chain for 4$, post tx I'd and a jpg/PNG that's sub 80kb

85JfATxudd9VieCa8ZAS57JUfoXajLpBZGEi6RpbSgdyGABBLn6i7HyRcXg6X1tSZxPofQEux3KoYfuzTvxtDtgoKTmaE6x

[Anonymous No.54170766]

>>54166803
Even the shill atopped caring, zec is completely forgotten, not just in privacy concerned circles, but in the market as a whole

[Anonymous No.54171319]

>>54170729
monero bros.... I'm.... I'm mooorbing

[None !yh61b5VF1M No.54171527]

>>54171319
It's Morbin Time.
>Morbs all over the Morbchain.

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54171726]

>>54170729
Yes, I would like to force everyone to sync my silly little frog.

bfb380fe0c97c1eb949e3331523d56445c0a3675f8f0e94a9a3dab5d81635d46

[Anonymous No.54171753]

>adoption is a good thing
>price action drives adoption
>but caring about price action bad

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54172125]

>>54171753
It's not bad, I care about it. It's just when price action is the primary or sole reason for someones involvement in a cryptocurrency project, they are no longer a user or a supporter and become a speculator and in all likelihood their intention from the start was to buy at X, wait until it rises to Y, then dump it all on newbies, sock it in index funds and forget it ever existed. Clearly this is not good for longevity.

As long as they've got 10+KH/s on a mining rig and upload 2048KB/s on their node I do not care how cringe they are, personally.

[None !yh61b5VF1M No.54172184]

>>54171726
sorry it took so long, was driving.
here's your boy on-chain:
febe24ecbca8357cc3f9945a33dffc3de89ef676ca97d361c14dca88735d4dd4

you can view him on mordinals once he has 1 conf

i put your copypasta into the description :)

[None !!ZrnK6IK8Nit No.54172242]

>>54172184
Very based, thank you!
Going to read the handbook today and try this out for myself.

[Anonymous No.54173003]

>>54171726
LOL

[Anonymous No.54173328]

Holy fuck
>>54170756

[Anonymous No.54173555]

>>54173328
Anon is ready to be the next Rothschild If this thing ever lifts off.

[Anonymous No.54173565]

>>54173328
This dingleberry has been posting his supposed stack for weeks and I don't buy it for a second.

Disclosing that you own roughly 1.6 mil in monero on a clearnet site is also one of the dumbest things I could conceive of- and for what? To wave around his money and say "look at me, I have lots of money, I clearly must always be correct about the price fluctuations of the market" ?
There's no tangible gain and you would be exposing yourself to significant personal risk. He's either a liar and a moonfag or a fucking idiot and a moonfag.

[Anonymous No.54173583]

>>54173555
Fucking checked
>>54173565
Seething

[Anonymous No.54173667]

>>54173583
Work on your LARP, you amateur. A chimpanzee could figure this one out.

[Anonymous No.54173685]

>>54173667
What gave it away?

[Anonymous No.54173833]

>>54173685
>disclosing

[Anonymous No.54173902]

>>54170729
pls

[Anonymous No.54173928]

>>54173685
>disclosing at all
>disclosing for this reason
>disclosing in that manner (gui wallet screenshots lmao, prove a tx from 2015-16 instead, consider opsec like you actually have 1.6mil sitting in a single wallet)

[None !yh61b5VF1M No.54174245]

>>54173902
https://mordinals.org/item/185

[Anonymous No.54174292]

>>54174245
yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
let's gooooooooooooooooooo!

[Anonymous No.54174328]

>>54171753
>price action drives adoption
price action drives FOMO and inverse adoption

>price falls
>Heh. it's over for Monero (ticker: XMR)

>price goes up
>It's too late to buy now, I missed the Monero boat

the only adoption that matters is from those who will stick in no matter what because they know why they got in the first place

[Anonymous No.54174338]

it feels futile to mine, pooled or not, unless i have free electricity or free hardware. even if it is POW, i'll have such a negative return. i believe in the currency and creating more monero, but goddamn if i don't have an incentive other than hopes and dreams.

[Anonymous No.54174507]

>>54136850
too lewd

[Anonymous No.54174714]

>>54153562

[Anonymous No.54175035]

>>54170729

The only spam that should be allowed in the Monero blockchain is Monero-chan porn, this way we will always be able to fap while syncing the chain.

853tuk1tBQwDNk6TVG48cF3uXJx2tJeoTYoP4m5YdG737eTTFY7kqJGUiejhT81pGQWbPzSirm4833GuKDDwfuNuKtNDYjr

>>54171319
>>54171527

kek

[Anonymous No.54175124]

>>54174328
>the only adoption that matters is from those who will stick in no matter what because they know why they got in the first place

The only adoption that matters is the kind that directly relates to the buying & selling of goods & services. Anything else is essentially just NGU faggotry.

[Anonymous No.54175716]

>>54151182
>a chink chick
the one time someone isnt deserving of that slur and you went ahead with it anyways. congrats, youre a fuckshoe.

[Anonymous No.54175753]

>>54175716
>the one time someone isnt deserving of that slur and you went ahead with it anyways.
what? she isn't a chick?

[Anonymous No.54175755]

>>54158340
>certutil
those nerds...

get-filehash is killer but not every powershell comes with it

[Anonymous No.54175772]

>>54175753
heh u got me

[Anonymous No.54175809]

>>54174714
Super based. If there is anything we've learned in the past week, it's that dedollariztion needs to be put on the front burner.

[Anonymous No.54175823]

>>54131414
bump

[Anonymous No.54176628]

SeraiDEX cryptography audit completed!

https://twitter.com/SeraiDEX/status/1636761872547610625

[Anonymous No.54176799]

>>54176628
Bullish for Monero!

[Anonymous No.54177034]

does anyone know how i can prune the monero blockchain on my gui wallet? running a local node but running out of space right now

os: windows 11

[Anonymous No.54177068]

>>54177034
Delete it, defragment your drive, uninstall the wallet, restore from a seed phrase, and select a pruned blockchain when configuring the local node.

[Anonymous No.54177151]

>>54177068
that sounds like a bit of work, I'm trying this https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/11454/how-do-i-utilize-blockchain-pruning-in-the-gui-monero-wallet-gui
if this doesn't work out, I'll do what you suggested, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.54177179]

>>54174328
how do you compile this fucking thing

[Anonymous No.54177241]

>>54177034
>>54177068
Bad advice, he can literally just start monerod in a terminal with the “—prune-blockchain” or run “prune_blockchain” in the interactive console.

Just make sure you also use “—data-dir” when running monerod so you are actually pointing it at the existing blockchain and not just syncing a whole new pruned copy. The folder your blockchain is stored in by default is ~/.bitmonero/ on linux and C:\ProgramData\bitmonero on windows

[Anonymous No.54177458]

>>54177241
thanks anon
tried the --prune-blockchain command but it didn't work, probably because half the blockchain is on my PC and it was trying to get the other half. I closed the wallet and I'm restoring it with the mnemonic seed after selecting simple mode.

[Anonymous No.54177612]

>>54177458
I think (haven’t tried, always host full nodes) to sync a pruned node from scratch you’d have to run monerod with “—sync-pruned-blocks”, otherwise you have to sync the full chain and then prune it yourself with the other options I mentioned.

[Anonymous No.54177748]

>>54177179
nevermind I figured it out

[Anonymous No.54177886]

Is tx_extra cringe or based?

https://github.com/noncesense-research-lab/monero_tx_extra/blob/master/ascii_data.md

[Anonymous No.54177939]

>>54177886
>FUCK BINANCE FUCK CHAINANALYSIS FUCK JANNIES
Based.

[Anonymous No.54178123]

>>54170729
6f2ab2f3080e39444264d18077a437345e65bbc763cc8d20a56bf4a20fc2fe88

[Anonymous No.54178551]

Reddit Inc. seems to have gone down the route of re-doing r/place again for this year's April's fools.

So r/place is coming again, be prepared to place Monero-chan on the map again! There are bots and userscripts in preparation from last year, when the API gets enabled, we'll post it here for (You) to test.

P.S. If you want to contribute or just consider it an option, please make alts now. They cost nothing to set up and can be done with the same email even. Just register with [e-mail] then [e-mail] etc

[None !yh61b5VF1M No.54178554]

>>54178123
https://mordinals.org/item/239

[Anonymous No.54178653]

>>54178554
based thanks
updating wallet rn to do this

[Anonymous No.54178908]

>>54177886
>>54177939

[Anonymous No.54179914]

>>54177179
How do I "target simplewallet"? or even even open it?

I did all the steps, compiled, fully synced the chain (copied from my cloud node), created a cli wallet, backed up seed, but where can I find simplewallet??

[Anonymous No.54179946]

>>54173328
i assume its test net monero?

[Anonymous No.54180611]

>>54179914
HAHAHAH FUCK YOU TARDS I FIGURED IT OUT THIS MORNING I AM GONNA MAKE ALL MORDINALS FIRST BWAAHAHA

[Anonymous No.54181052]

>>54134191
what is monero waifu's name?

[Anonymous No.54181114]

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

[Anonymous No.54181160]

This is what Monero chuds don't want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

[Anonymous No.54181353]

>2 posts by this nigger

[Anonymous No.54181644]

>>54181114
>>54181160

Reminder that these all Zcash shills are posting from Turd World shitholes.

[Anonymous No.54182073]

>>54166237
pick a country with no central bank. like el salvador.

[Anonymous No.54182188]

>>54181353

Just getting warmed up, chud.

[Anonymous No.54182231]

>>54182188
Yea I bet that glownigger pushing against your back right now is warming you up really nice.

[Anonymous No.54182359]

>>54182188
Biggest dick suckers in the industry kek. Literally no one gives a fuck about zec, even on this dumpster board

[Anonymous No.54182866]

stop this fucking shit right now!
I'm already having problems storing the blockchain as it is and now i will also have to store this motherfuckers drawings?
fuck this shit man, i rather switch to other crypto that don't allow this crap.

[Anonymous No.54182945]

Can someone give me a tutorial for a moderate IQ person on how to mine XMR effectively? I am lucky enough to be moving into an apartment in which my rent covers all utilities, including electricity. And I've always heard that electric rates were the biggest drain, so I'm wondering what to do. A current mining calculator website said that with my CPU I would make barely more than a dollar's worth of XMR each month.

What should I invest in, and is there anyway that I could seriously profit from mining XMR? Is it possible to spend like 1000-2000 on a rig and then make over 200 or 300 dollars per month on XMR (assuming current xmr value)?

[Anonymous No.54182951]

Does mining at ~1700 H/s actually do anything, I don't care about actually getting any payouts I just wanna mine, but I won't waste the electricity if it's like, completely useless

[Anonymous No.54183303]

>>54182945
No, best to just spend 1-2k acquiring XMR

[Anonymous No.54183435]

>>54182866
We need a fund to put gore on the blockchain literally fuck etherium fucking piece of shitchain that didn't bring anything of value to the world more than giving some retarded chimps the thought their jpgs are worth something

[Anonymous No.54183475]

>>54182951
Every little hash counts, you're contributing to network security.
Only suggestion would be to stop if you're laptop mining, don't want to kill the laptop by overheating it.

[Anonymous No.54183486]

>>54183303
>No, best to just spend 1-2k acquiring XMR

If XMR isn't profitable to mine, then why would people mine it? What's the incentive?

[Anonymous No.54183641]

Plz someone just fucking ruin ordinals do whatever it needs to be done just fucking ruin it like fuck sake we are going the same route as bitcoin maxis literally fuck the guy that invented ordinals i really hope you fucking get cancer and die literally i don't care about your shitty shiba doge nfts in fucking dogecoin but fuck you and fuck your family for ruining monero

[Anonymous No.54183716]

Hey chads, does anyone know how to buy xenubucks?

[Anonymous No.54183730]

>>54183486
Securing the network. Monero users generally see that as an intrinsic good.

[Anonymous No.54183762]

I really like the idea of Monero, but it has been in a bear market against bitcoin for 6 years

[Anonymous No.54183770]

>>54183486
>What's the incentive?
to get your money secured. do your part or risk getting the chain centralized and controlled by the usual suspects.
we are not really asking for you to get a $2000 rig and mine at $50-100 electricity cost monthly. just get a regular pc and mine to break even or at a lesser loss.
the less profitable it is to mine monero the less centralized the blockchain becomes.

[Anonymous No.54183786]

>>54183486
>If XMR isn't profitable to mine, then why would people mine it? What's the incentive?

Monero miners are motivated primarily by ideology, not profits, so mining at an acceptable loss is pretty much the norm now.

[Anonymous No.54183805]

>>54183641
this I don't want this shit to ruin my beloved monero

[Anonymous No.54183812]

>>54183762
And thats fine, the protocol works just as well at 150$ as it would at 27k. Monero is for spending and using, not sitting on in the hope of cashing it out for more fiat

[Anonymous No.54183844]

got some cc with monero and cakepay
that's very useful

[Anonymous No.54183856]

>>54182945
>seriously profit from mining XMR
The time to make serious profit with consumer grade hardware in small scale is over, sorry.
If you have free electricity you might as well let your desktop mining 24/7. Just make sure you're not going into crazy temperatures and it should be alright. It's literally free monero.
I think that most people here in this thread at least should have a home server, and you can always set it up to mine during idle times. I use mine to solo mine because I use the mindset that hashes are nothing more than lottery games.
It's also useful to learn how to mine because you actually participate in the network and learn a lot in the journey.

[Anonymous No.54183883]

>>54183762
>but it has been in a bear market against bitcoin for 6 years

Nobody with an IQ above room temperature gives a shit about clownworld market stats, genius, only real-world adoption stats matter in the long run.

[Anonymous No.54183925]

guys you mean like trannies could be using monero right now and nobody knows?

[Anonymous No.54183931]

>>54131414
im in reach of accumulating my second sui stack
wagmi bros

[Anonymous No.54184044]

>>54183925
"TRANNIES could be here,” he thought, "I've never been in this blockchain before. There could be TRANNIES anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his bare chest. "I HATE TRANNIES" he thought. Hyperpop reverberated his entire car, making it pulsate even as the cocaine circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of sexual minorities using his cryptocurrency. "With monero, you can buy anything you want" he said to himself, out loud.

[Anonymous No.54184166]

what's going to happen with that mordinals thing?

[Anonymous No.54184216]

did you?

[Anonymous No.54184418]

>>54183641
>>54183805
Uploading these is a means by which attention can be brought to the issue.

Limit tx_extra to 256 bytes.
see >>54163631

[Anonymous No.54184439]

>>54184044
kek

[Anonymous No.54184564]

>>54183486
Dont think of it as mining. Think of it as buying XMR with your electricity bill.

[Anonymous No.54184609]

>>54183486
Unironically, free heating in the winter. I run it in the summer too just because I don't give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.54184646]

>>54184418
My only qualm with doing this is that there could be actual genuine usecases of tx_extra that require over 256 bytes

[Anonymous No.54184687]

>>54164433
>Outputs are ultimately just pseudorandom bytes
Yeah that's what I meant. Basically they could take the bytes for the image and "send xmr" in the form of an output with this arbitrary byte sequence. But how would you be able to control the output (required to say you "own" the NFT and to transfer it) unless you could generate an address with control over the output (which, how could you generate that?)

i.e my image is some byte vector A, I "send" xmr by broadcasting that I am signing off ownership to an output (as close to A as possible, perhaps you have to pad if there is a checksum? not sure how this works) and then you could turn this byte vector (in output form) into an image by extracting the relevant image bytes. But you wouldn't be able to actually move this output around, right? Would you not have to generate the private key for this output from the output itself (should be impossible?) Or is that not how this works. I have some idea of how cryptography works but the entire Monero output/input/ringsig parts of the cryptosystem are not within my sphere of knowledge.

[Anonymous No.54184702]

>>54165512
Zooko dumping on his clowns again, tragic.

[Anonymous No.54184852]

>>54183435
Nobody will care if you put gore on the chain. Gore isn't illegal, just nasty.

[Anonymous No.54184862]

>>54183641
>literally fuck the guy that invented ordinals i really hope you fucking get cancer and die literally
kinda based ngl

[Anonymous No.54185099]

Last night I was complaining about ordinals, but if you can't beat em, join em. Might as well have some fun with it before it gets removed.
Most of these ordinals are really shitty and creative. Some guy is just spamming these shitty eth faces.
What do you guys think about my new ordinal? https://mordinals.org/item/292

[Anonymous No.54185160]

>>54185099
*uncreative

[Anonymous No.54185180]

>>54183641
yeah it's gay, but I'm sure it will get removed
>>54184418
yeah the ordinal I just posed here is less than 256 bytes tho

[Anonymous No.54185222]

>>54174338
Same I just checked the hashrate for my not too bad cpu and is literally impossible to break even.

[Anonymous No.54185265]

there are still waterhead retards buying bitcoin, solana, xrp at this moment, and I'm somewhat stunned by this, but we live in the clown world

[Anonymous No.54185410]

>>54184702

Zooko actually donated most of his wealth to the Zcash Foundation.

FUD harder.

[Anonymous No.54185466]

>>54184687

You don't need to "own" the output for it to work. There are other ways of transfering the ords which bypass the way regular Monero transactions work. Without going into exhausting detail, transfering the ord via spending normal outputs (which is how it's currently done) is patchable separately and has no relation to the tx_extra issue. Anyway, the network would view the output as any other public key, when in reality it's just pseudo-random bytes to which no "private key" is known.

>>54185180

If it's small enough then removing tx_extra won't solve anything, instead they will use output spam which is even worse. See >>54163631

[Anonymous No.54185693]

>>54185410
>Zooko actually donated most of his wealth to the Zcash Foundation.
>
>FUD harder.

How are things in your favela these days?

[Anonymous No.54185870]

>>54185466
>Anyway, the network would view the output as any other public key, when in reality it's just pseudo-random bytes to which no "private key" is known.
Yes, that's pretty much what I was getting at. So they don't actually need the private key to transfer this hypothetical output NFT?

[Anonymous No.54185886]

>>54185410
Yeah that's cool and all but I really don't care. Zooko can donate all his wealth to cancer patients and left to go live as a monk in the woods, still don't give two fucks about zcash.

[Anonymous No.54186088]

>>54180611
Seriously, I tried a all day but nothing worked. From adding simplewallet to make to modifying the cmake files in src and the home directories.

How does one do it? simplewallet never seems to be accessible whatever I do. I can not get it to show up in bin.

[Anonymous No.54186588]

>>54186088
It took me last night to figure out that you can't build the whole project with just their patches, because it introduces bugs that fail compile on some targets.
learn how to use GNU make to build a specific target. Also, the simplewallet target just builds "monero_wallet_cli". The executable is not actually called "simplewallet", that is just an internal name for the code that all wallet frontends use.
If you need help, I can write detailed instructions in an hour or so. hold on.

[Anonymous No.54187233]

>>54185870

No they do not need the private key of the output

[Anonymous No.54187791]

I have the mordinal files... but when running make it fails at halfway through. I saw one can make simplewallet from a path in the /build/Linux/master... but that file does not exist until running the initial make... when I try to target simplewallet in that directory (after the initial make fails, the directory is still created) that make also fails...

Anyone with insight, it would be appreciated. Tyty

[Anonymous No.54188427]

>>54186588
That would be helpful

[Anonymous No.54188433]

Ignore the noise. Focus on the signal:

1) Halo2 crypto coming to monero, which will enable full membership proofs (anon set per enote scaling to the whole blockchain): https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/100

2) seraphis + jamtis upgrade allowing privacy preserving light wallets, full view-only wallets and larger ring sizes (like 256): https://lbry.projectsegfau.lt/@monerocommunityworkgroup:8/justin-berman-seraphis-jamtis-feature-2:7

3) Monero-centric decentralized exchange SeraiDEX, which will increase Monero liquidity without ((centralized exchanges)), is coming soon: https://nitter.snopyta.org/SeraiDEX/status/1636761872547610625#m

4) Molly.im, a signal messenger fork, working hard to get Monero wallet & payments integrated into its mobile app: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/252

All of these are bullish on Monero. If you are reading these lines, there is literally no reason not to get at least a suicide stack of Monero and at best getting 69 XMR in your personal wallet. Bury your hoarded XMR into a featherwallet.org wallet and also bury that wallet into an encrypted persistent storage in tails.boum.org system.

Come and find it.

[Anonymous No.54189316]

so when do we /actually/ get rich off of this shitcoin?

[Anonymous No.54189997]

>>54189316
Never. Just sell and never come back.

[Anonymous No.54190618]

Divegrass frens, /xmr/ are back for a somewhat surprise appearance in place of the last Test Cup's champions, /biz/ in the 2023 Spring Test Cup over this weekend and next.

While it's kinda a nothingburger event on a side channel while /vt/ (and next week /mlp/) have a league in the main cup channel it's still a test run for the return to PES 19 and to test the new patch before the main 2023 4chan Spring Babby Cup happens with a few of the main cup teams and some bonus invitational teams making an appearance to test the new updates and rule changes that have happened since the Winter Cup earlier this year

Team-wise /xmr/ have had a few changes; McAfee is now a permanent player and both Fluffy and POOMPA join the roster and we have two new kits. Kick off is at 18:20 UTC and 14:20 ET with more info on both the event (link to channel on tournament page) and team below.

https://implyingrigged.info/wiki/Spring_2023_Test_Cup
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//xmr/

[Anonymous No.54190682]

>>54190618

MFW

[Anonymous No.54191911]

[Anonymous No.54192074]

>>54188427
>>54187791
>>54186588
Can someone tell me how to do this?
It's probably just one or two lines of code:

What exactly do they mean with:
"Build the CLI wallet (targeting simplewallet in make)"
I build it with:
make release-static-win64 simplewallet

Anways, I can not get it to work. They are like those math professors in university who skip over most steps lol

[Anonymous No.54192339]

>>54192074
I have
./monerod running and fully synced
./monero-wallet-cli --wallet-file=/home/wallets/my_mordinals.xmr running and funded
but the next step doesn't work at all
when I just ry to mint something (ignoring simplewallet) it says
Error: Error on reading data file for ordinal: /home/images/XYZ.png

[Anonymous No.54192371]

>>54192074
oh sorry I forgot to get back to you

make clean
go to root dir of monero, make cmake-release
go to build dir, make simplewallet (and daemon, but you can just connect to a remote daemon)
use monero-cli-wallet, make a wallet, fund it, and use mint_ordinals like it says and wait 10 mins for it to show up

[Anonymous No.54192388]

>>54192339
I think the file has to be in the same dir as you.

[Anonymous No.54192399]

>>54192339
also, don't you mean /home/<username>/images ?

[Anonymous No.54192482]

>>54192074
>They are like those math professors in university who skip over most steps lol

It's not that they skip the steps, it's that they give conflicting steps by also copy-pasting the monero build directions which won't work because some targets fail. Also they tell you to set up the daemon which you don't need.

Also if you want to make a lot of ordinals really fast, fund the ordinals wallet a bunch of small enotes (many small payments) with a single multi-output payment.

[Anonymous No.54192650]

>>54192074
Lastly, I'll add that their block explorer accepts webp,png,gif,jpg as the image, and any plaintext as the metadata (txt, html, cpp, etc.)

I don't know what their max file size is, but I think it is around 100KiB. I reccomend using webp because it usually has the best compression for lossless and lossy, and it also does aninations like gif. you can use gimp to export the images or gif animations as webp or whatever. Use the quality slider. It would be nice if we could all go easy on the network and keep the ordinals around 10KiB though...
also gif can save a couple bytes ln really tiny images, so maybe compare different formats for filesize.

[Anonymous No.54192735]

>2023
>still shilling zcash on monero threads

geez feds, even russian haxors with 2 digit iqs are smart enough to avoid zcash. zcash is a cancer, it's closed source, it's private until gov knocks their doors and they already did. kys if you think zcash is better than monero in any way. price-wise monero is cash. I don't except my cash to bring me 10000000x in a year, like cash it's kinda inflationary but you don't keep xmr for gains, you keep it to spend it.

[Anonymous No.54192741]

>>54192371
Thank you:

>make clean
works
>go to root dir of monero, make cmake-release
You mean mordinals? works

go to build dir, make simplewallet (and daemon, but you can just connect to a remote daemon)
doesn't work.
I went to mordinals/build
It says "No rule to make target"
When I go deeper to Minge64_nt/master/release and try make simplewallet again it says the same
:(

[Anonymous No.54192947]

>>54192388
>>54192399
I had created image folders in both places in case that was the problem.

[Anonymous No.54193021]

>>54192735
These privacy coins are basically a guaranteed audit once gubbamint finds out. There’s only one reason to use them. Try BBTT instead, product works and you don’t need to hold a privacy coin that has MONEY LAUNDERING / TAX EVASION written all over it. Use it while it’s cheap

[Anonymous No.54193081]

>>54192741
you shouldn't have a Mingw64 directory. You're building for linux correct? go to mordinals directory and do rm -rf build and make clean again.

[Anonymous No.54193336]

>>54193081
Im on Windows
Binaries for Windows are built on Windows using the MinGW toolchain within MSYS2 environment.
As described here: https://github.com/mooonero/mordinals#compiling-monero-from-source

[Anonymous No.54193668]

>>54189316
I swear if you moonfags really care that much about number going up then you would get to work convincing people to adopt it instead of moonfagging. This is not a speculative asset.

[Anonymous No.54193836]

>>54193021
> MONEY LAUNDERING / TAX EVASION written all over it
oh, you mean like dollar bills?

[Anonymous No.54194312]

/xmr/ chads...

WAGMI

[Anonymous No.54194530]

>>54193336
Anyways. I seem to have gotten it to work.
If the wallet doesn't throw any error during the process it means it works right?

[Anonymous No.54194556]

I'm thinking we're back

[Anonymous No.54195290]

>>54185886

Yeah, nobody cares about Zcash until the day it flips Bitcoin. See you there.

[Anonymous No.54195323]

>>54193668
Based

[Anonymous No.54195332]

>>54188433

Hands off Halo 2, that is the property of the Zcash community and was financed by us.

Feel free to develop your own tech if you can hahahaha

[Anonymous No.54195362]

>>54189316

You don't. Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it, it has best team and tech in ALL of crypto. DYOR

[Anonymous No.54195373]

>>54195362
Oh look the ztranny is back. Who cares? Noone, just like no one cares about zcuck

[Anonymous No.54195390]

>>54192735

Zcash is open source, you imbred pederast. And get new FUD, this shit aint working anymore.

[Anonymous No.54195414]

>>54195373

You WILL care eventually when its too late.

[Anonymous No.54195417]

i bought estrogen from a tgirl in Brazil last night and I paid with Monero

[Anonymous No.54195520]

>>54195417
Otokonoko? That's awesome anon, hope what you get it good quality

[Anonymous No.54195549]

>>54191911
Tummy

[Anonymous No.54195747]

>>54195520
Yea, about that...

[Anonymous No.54195763]

>>54195747
You know I'm aware of this right, which is why I wished anon well about getting good quality stuff from her

[Anonymous No.54196004]

>>54195417
>>54195520
>>54195763
ywnbaw

[Anonymous No.54196407]

>>54195332
>Hands off Halo 2, that is the property of the Zcash community and was financed by us.
How nice of you to volunteer to be the testnet.

[Anonymous No.54196643]

>>54196407

Its all fun and games until you get sued into oblivion.

[Anonymous No.54196708]

Anons would you be interested in spamming nigger in mordinals so we voluntarily sabotage monero and force devs to do something faster about txt before state goverments figure out how to attack our precious blockchain

[Anonymous No.54196762]

>>54196643
>sued into oblivion.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.54196846]

>>54196762

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_license_litigation

Zooko sends his regards.

[Anonymous No.54197028]

>>54196643
who the fuck are gonna sue you stupid monkey?
we are going to take anything we want. fuck you

[Anonymous No.54197131]

>>54197028

The General Fund is managed by a known entity, chud.

Try it and we'll drain you faggots dry.

[Anonymous No.54197189]

>>54196004
i'm not trying to be a woman, i'm just transgender.

[Anonymous No.54197288]

>>54197131
if you sue us because we took something from you then it is too late.
you can try to get the "general fund" but the chain that already has the code cannot be stopped.
as i said, we are going to take anything we want. fuck you.
go comply somewhere else faggot.

[Anonymous No.54197314]

>>54193668
this

>>54193021
step 1) they don't

[Anonymous No.54197375]

NEW THREAD: >>54197372
>NEW THREAD: >>54197372
NEW THREAD: >>54197372
>NEW THREAD: >>54197372
NEW THREAD: >>54197372
>NEW THREAD: >>54197372

[Anonymous No.54197603]

XMR/BTC is getting fucked in the ass KEK

[Anonymous No.54199051]

>>54197603
so good time to buy then, thanks