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https://www.fdic.gov/news/press-releases/2023/pr23016.html
>>54023757first
>>54023757ok
Nothingburger.
Did this really need a sticky?
Shit thread
>>54023781
>>54023757wat mean dis?
a thread died for this
>>54023757Niggers
Mods=fags
ITS OVER
>>54023757Posting in a stickyNIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGERNIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGERNIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
>sticky>only 9 repliesjesus christ this board is dead
>>54023757It's been 8 hours.
>>54023757If you have usdc GET OUT NOW.
I miss them
ok, thanks Mr. Mod. Anyway...
>>54023839Holy shit
HERE WE GO AGAIN
ALL BOARDS, REPORT IN
>no liquidity?
isnt this what weve been talking about all day? did something change?
bump
All of your deposits will be fully FDIC insured and backed by the federal government, wholly redeemable as CDBC
>>54023857/sp/ here. Liquidating my portfolio and putting it on the lakers over
i have less than $100 dollars in my bank account right nowam i safe?
beware the goose is loose
>>54023757What other banks are likely to affected by this? Is it safe to just my long term puts on regional banks. I mean if any banks are getting bailed out it'll be the big ones not the regional ones
>>54023757lol, lmao
>>54023839me too man, me too
sticky deez nutz
>>54023789You'll be singing a different tune come Monday morning. Enjoy your weekend
>>54023887>Is it safe to just my long term puts on regional banks that tend to get acquired by larger entities such as SVBno
>>54023757Nice knowing you guys
POSTING IN EPIC BREAD
>>54023931Wouldn't that mean puts on regional banks are bullish
>>54023757Good riddance, wonder why another bank didn’t buy. Funny how it was MBS and California again that are the canary in the coal mine, huh?
>>54023757old news
Niggerposting in a sticky.inb4 the kikes 'refund' everyone via CBDC
>>54023788>>54023791HEEEM SLEEPY>>54023789This is 2008 on roids
Does TLT go up if the fed pivots?
>>54023757Done in by the VC community. The very community it helped for so long. Oh well.
What's that?The FDIC only has a fraction of their stated reserves and wargames concluded FDIC didn't have enough to bail? And the commercial banks have a 0 reserve system in the U.S.?Bruhs help me out here, is this bullish for the U.S. in a 1772 Credit Crisis Contagion?
GEE BOOMERS, HOW COME YOUR MOM LETS YOU FUCK OVER THE NEXT GENERATION WITH TWO FINANCIAL COLLAPSES?
>>54023968Faggot jannies really deleted my nigger post lol
Big if true
>>54023757who the fuck cares? why is this pinned lmfao
>>54023887noone short term probably except for overleveraged banks in securities. They had 150 bil of equities on the balance sheet which are presumably going to be liquidated so there will be selling pressure. Other banks that did a similar thing would likely get the same treatment but the ripples in the broader economy could be serious. You never know until it happens. One thing that is obvious is this is the first more major event to occur and very likely not the last of this overleveraged cluster cunt fuck of an economy. The only way to get back to normality is to pop the imaginary wealth bubble. Bring the pain.
It begins
tru if bigg
Maybe you could tell me what is going on. And please, speak as you might to a young child, or a golden retriever.
>>54023757$175b deposits, $200b assets as of 12/22Will they cover their uninsured deposits? If not, where would the liquidated assets go?
>>54023757>some random crypto bank goes brokewho cares. mods are fags
guarantee the bank was like this to their customers>umm no sweatheart you cant invest in crypto>umm no sweatheart you cant transfer to these banks>umm no sweatheart you can't withdraw until the next business day>umm no sweatheart you have to visit us in person to do something to your accountand the npcs investing there are like >nooo why is my best bank in the world shutting down???
Doubt my life is changing much
Post the song you're vibing to while the economy collapses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB-eSM5qXQE
>>54024064Insurer takes it and sells it off to repay whatever they can to the customers
>>54024064If the situation gets too hot, the liquid just evaporates
>>54024073SVB was mostly handling cash and payroll for a shitload of Silicon Valley startups. They got heemed because most of their reserves were low rate treasuries and JPow cranked rates high enough to destroy the value of their old bonds.
this is what healthy, sustainable growth looks like
>>54024072this is just a regular bank
Postin in da stickie
>>54024080https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQiHzcdUPAU
>>54024086Customers as in depositors? Anyone holding stock is fucked right?
>>54024064no under 250k accounts are wiped out. Uninsured accounts get a certificate that they may get paid out upon bankruptcy but that will take a long time. Also fuck tranny jannies for deleting my image cope seethe dliate you will never be a woman and niggers tongue my anus
>>54024080https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa_O05TpIw4Random af, but there is something about 90's trance that is so KINO. I dont know how or why I discovered these Rave Mission albums, but fuck they are good.
>>54023857/tv/ standing by. Just here for the chaos kino.
>>54023757https://archive.is/Os1Nrcontext
https://twitter.com/MoonMarket_/status/1634297545860997122
Who profits from this?
>Another black woman as the economic expertsLMFAO
>>54024139Yes depositors:If you deposited over 250 000$, read the article in the stickied as it has a phone number you can call if you had more than 250 000$ deposited.If you own stocks then there is a separate matter involving bankruptcy matters, where you will get some money back - but I am not very familiar with How that works.
>>54023857/sci/ here monitoring the countown
you guys want to laugh?look at the FDIC balance sheet
>>54023789Yes. FDIC can MAYBE cover the losses this one bank generated. If one more fails, nobody is getting their money back in the even of catastrophe.
>>54024205people with sqqq
kanye was right
>>54023857/po/ getting ready for the fall.
So many huge happening ended up being nothingburgers I don't even know anymore. Maybe they can actually print their way out of everything. Maybe it is actually a new paradigm. Maybe it is different this time
>StickyIt's over
Just curious should leafs be concerned?
XRP schizos were right all along weren't they.
>>54024282Yes.
A biz sticky? Now I can post about candlejac
I hope all the dog coins go to 0
the major banks have enough cash on hand since 2008 QE began. trash overleveraged banks like svb deserve to die and it will only hurt tech cucks
>>54024319>will only hurt tech cucksThat's what S&P is
>Silicon Valley Bank is the first FDIC–insured institution to fail this year.What did they mean by this?
>>54023757rolling for a bloody monday
N
>Only 1000 repliesbiz is dead
>>54024333everyone with a brain exited non-value stocks in january last year when things were getting sketchy. much of the value within the s&p shifted around like that as well, which is why broad market losses were so dampened.
>>54023857/int/tard one here
>>54024282>>54024301How does this affect maplesyrupistan?
>>54024319>the major banks have enough cash on hand since 2008 QE began.They actually don't. Zero reserve requirements plus ZIRP equals extreme fuckery with leverage and derivatives again.
stickyyyyy!!!
>>54024359barely 100 , adjust your glasses anon
>>54024205whatever god jim cramer pissed off
If shit hits the fan will there even be a bailout
/pol/tard here, guess who orchestrated this...
>>54024380>Zero reserve requirements plus ZIRP equals extreme fuckery with leverage and derivatives again.no. you can easily look up how leveraged banks are in terms of total assets over cash on fred. the big banks are all way less leveraged than in 08.
>dead sticky
>>54024379The whole west coast from the Gay Area up to Vancouver is one big interconnected bubble economically, plus our banking system and your banking system are interconnected a bunch of places due to all the cross-border commerce.
>>54024404in the form of cbdc's , we're in the endgame now biz
Everyone stop posting. The mods are fags.
>>54023757what does this mean?
>>54024405Actually this is fucking them over, normal people are fine up to the 250k FDIC insurance limit
>>54024404Not for white people
>>54024072>second biggest bank collapse in American history >who caresAlso this was not a crypto bank, it’s been around for over 40 years
Anyway ...Can you recommend me a 1000x gem crypto?
>>54024223>muran borrowind
>>54023757Postin in ebin stigy :DDDD
>>54024335>this year
>>54024442XRPSchizos are always right.
>>54023757
>>54023757SVB can go under but chinese realtors are just fine despite being in even more debt
Where are you guys storing your cash? I’m sitting on 150k and shitting bricks right now….
>>54023799Impressive
>>54023857/tv/ here sending in the liquidators. Glory to the Soviet Union!
Hi mom, i just posted in the sticky. Yes, hyperinflation soon. See ya
>>54024434>normal people are fine up to the 250k FDIC insurance limitThey're fine until the kikes decide they are going to only pay back in CBDC
>>54024442chainlink
>>54024415>The whole west coast from the Gay Area up to VancouverVancouver is very much part of the Gay Area
>sticky for a nothingburger
>>54024555Not geographically, that was a dig at the San Francisco Bay Area.
Hope you niggas are prepped.
So, does the receiver pass off to the quarterback for a touchdown?
Should I actually be panicked or are you guys just funposting?
>sicky>less than 120 replies>dont even have to make the less than 300 posts baitI guess jeets got orders to no shill in a sticky
>>54024577stocked up on rations today. dont have a gun but i have a katana and i know how to use it
>>54024558Cope
>>54024217Shhhhiiiiiiiiieeeeet
>>54024577Wait an average burger can own FMJ's?
QRD: SVB was trying to make ends meet by using mortgage rates they were only making 1.5% on. Yellen decided she was going to raise rates so treasury yields are higher. THUS, we have this collapse. Not only did they do low rate mortgages, they also do silicon valley startups and VC funding. Anyway, The fed came in yesterday and tried to find a fucking buyer for these 1:20 leveraged fucks and couldn't. Now we are here with the 2nd largest bankruptcy in the world.
>>54024577i invested in something with real value.
I can't believe how many companies put their money in this retarded bank, feels sketchy to me
>>54024607diabetes will kill you way before any looter will so no need for ammo kek
>>54024636>Yellen decided she was going to raise rates so treasury yields are higher. THUS, we have this collapse.Woman moment
>>54023857/a/ here
>>54024073>umm no sweatheart you cant invest in cryptoIt literally did that. They closed the account of a crypto founder and asked him to move his funds elsewhere after ftx's collapse.https://twitter.com/gregosuri/status/1634255556843274245?cxt=HHwWioDQnaaxha4tAAAA
>>54023857/pol/ chud reporting in, although I like /biz/ better and only lurk on /pol/ nowadays.Is this an actual bankrun? If so, can this leak out to other banks? Luckily I don't keep any money in a bank so I don't give a fuck, if it makes BTC cheaper then let's fucking go.
>>54024283>>54024468imagine not having at least 1,000 XRP. you had 10 fucking years. LMAO
>>54024643Based and deenzpilled. I also have a stack.
>>54023857/pol/ reporting in o7
>>54023757https://archive.is/ul6NA
>>54024359Ironic because biz actually is really dead
>>54024643>not longing wine herringkek poorfag
>>54023882>the goose is looseHaven't thought of Larry in years. This brought back old memories.
>make money>put money in bank>something happens>money disappears
>>54024618Yeah FMJ's are probably the most common ammo here
>>54024686the bank is ded but people with 250k or less are fdic insured. If people had more then that in an account they should have put that money in another bank
>>54023799Kinda reminds me of a fat Dark Souls boss
So uh, is it happening?Should I just withdraw all my savings?
>>54024600depends on your positions. this is bad for tech meme shit and other meme banks like svb but shouldn't really touch value or solid banks much. you obviously never know for sure with unintuitive ripple effects (e.g. svb -> tech meme shit -> nonbank financials), but cash in normal banks should be pretty fucking safe. the fed didn't deleverage banks for 14 years for nothing
>>54024618Uh, yes? FMJ is used even in cheap range ammo, in contrast to the more expensive self defense hollow-point rounds.This isn't even a good deal but it's what my local sporting goods store carries on the cheaper end. It's FMJ.
https://twitter.com/cnbcovertime/status/1634307044613189635?s=46&t=sTHdyeL232UJZ2tYlv06TA
Wasn't Evergrande supposed to collapse the economy but the chinks managed to salvage it somehow? Could the fed do something similar to stop this from fucking us?
>>54024080https://youtu.be/ybC6iBWLZ6k
>>54024711>>54024742That only happens if you use internet tokens
>>54024618we can own tracers, rounds with penetrators, and even some AP rounds (like m2 .30-06 milsurp for the garand). stay mad.
>>54024126BUT THE FUNDAMENTALS
>>54024763Probably propping it up with more quanaitive easing and outrageous tax hikes, as per usual
>>54023857/pol/ standing by to blame jews.
>>54024685kek
Not my problem, just placed a big order for gold.
>>54024768The "money" in your bank account is an internet token hahahahahaha
>>54024784>Inflation goes back up>Repeat until US collapses
>>54024080https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIbnW_6SYX4
I think this thread will have tons of views from people in the startup world that are likely to be SVB customers. If we all agree to not do run in the bank, it will improve chances for SVB to make it through the next few days.I'll start with committing not to withdraw money my company [redacted] holds in the bank.We stand by SVB.I invite others to do the same.
>>54024335>>54024459>first
>>54024760>Will be resolved in weeks or months This chink's lying isn't he?
>>54024742The $20 you have left in your savings account is insured.Anyone storing things of value there above 250,000 better have assets spread around.
>>54024763>Could the fed do something similar to stop this from fucking us?yes but they would rather send another 300 billion to ukraine
why did all of these startups go with this bank in particular? do they have low rates specifically for tech faggots are something?
>>54024698>Spyware company who profits off stealing people's data dyingGood
>>54024704sorry, while flattered i am in fact not gay.
>>54024080https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yY_CDZw1_k
>>54024676this is a frog board. you don't belong here
No one panic, the millennials and EVs will save us
>>54023799Isthat Nickocado? Imagine the agility when he was thin
Just remember how 08 started, first it was the small banks, then medium, then large. This may have the same impact.
>>54024833easy capital + tech is one big cargo cult and y combinator recommends it
>>54024793Yeah it's insured up to 250k. A shitcoin wallet isn't
>>54023857/mlp/ reports that silver is harder than Silvergate or Silicon
>>54024080https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro9Kh215PQI&ab_channel=DEATHFETISH
>>54024820>jtarudmore like j. talmud, posting after he ran on the bank so he can buy time to dig his dying dad out of his nursing home to get his deposits out
>>54024812>inflation goes up>ummm...uhh...shit...fuck, let's just print some more money! This is LITERALLY what they do lol
Execute all biz mods, including and especially gookmoothttps://vocaroo.com/1dmb0PiAqesv
>>54024643>>54024695>>54024704You are all pathetic.
>>54024887Your mom smokes big sprats
>>54024643Based King Oscar appreciator.
Is Mannarino still hugely invested in banks? Is he sharting self?
>>54024849>wealth taxwe live in a fucking oligarchy. why would rich people tax themselves?
>>54024837>apologizing for not being gaymust be canadian
>>54024887interesting lid design.
>>54024908They won't, it's a meme.
Is this the 1st sticky on biz
what does it mean, why did it close all of a sudden
>financial collapse>only 1000 repliesThis board is dead
>>54024942no absolutely not , weren't you here for the bog twins death or the crypto purge ? and those were just last year
this is the shittiest and slowest sticky in 4chan history
it's not happening r-right guys
>>54024223Did you know this nigga flew an entire mission without any crew? Did the whole thing on autopilot.
>all this happening just as the switch is about to be flipped in 2 weeksMy schizo senses are tingling. We tried to warn you...
>>54024976also the one when we breached 20k for the first time since 2017
>>54023857/X/fag reporting in
>>54024577Too many guns. Not enough pasting food.Nothing to combat (((chemical spills)))Hope you have a garden.Where does your water come from? Hope nobody attacks that source.
>>54025024And the one with the gay wolves, what was that even about
>>54023857/x/ chad here i told you so
>>54025018Tell me more about this switch wise 2 more weeks poster
>>54024643Now here’s a lad with a based midset.
>>54024844No, this is a mumu and bobo board. Frogs have no real power here.
>>54024977Lol it should've been up during market hours, dumbass mods
https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/roku-svb-failed-silicon-valley-bank-cash-1235549817/>Roku Says $487 Million of Its Cash, or 26%, Was Held in Failed Silicon Valley BankRoku sisters.....It's over....
>>54025075>this is a mumu and bobo boardnobody tell him
>>54024976>no absolutely not , weren't you here for the bog twins death or the crypto purge ? and those were just last yearI've been here since 2017. But I don't come here every day because of work and vidya.
>>54024016
This also is happening over at Wells Fargo:Wells Fargo Says “Technical Issue” Causing Customers to See Missing Deposits in Their Accounts
Today marks the official start of Swan Season. post our favorite avian of a dark persuasion to mark the occasion.
>>54023857/vt/ here, drama all over today
>>54025095how many more tech firms are involved i wonder?
CALIFAGS MUST DIEPIVOTERS MUST DIETECHFAGS MUST DIEBAILOUTERS MUST DIEMONEY PRINTERS MUST DIEAND MOST OF ALLCRYPTO MUST DIE
>>54023757The power of diversity and women!
>>54025138>/vt/
>>54025156If FTX didn't kill the bitfart this sure won't
>>54023757>It's a nothingburgerColor me surprised
>>54025174That's /tv/ dumbass
>>54024896>>54024917You will eat them. You will be happy.
I had this feeling in my guts for months that something was about to happen. How bad is it going to be?The US gov is clearly flailing around trying to make it sound like they are working on it, but Powell more or less already gave up. How will Europe get hit by this shit? What went so wrong? China had Evergrande because they did retarded shit with investment in real estate. But what did the burgers do here?Should we expect WW3 to cover up this whole mess?
>>54025125It's so over
>>54025140Half of ALL VENTURE BACKED US FIRMS
>>54024577Where are the meds?
>>54023857/tv/ here for the memes
>>54023839>implying they are gone
>>54025239https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-10/silicon-valley-bank-the-investor-lender-networker-of-startups
Which is the safest stablecoin to hold right now? I can't withdraw to the bank, have half a mill on stables. I think it might unironically be USDT.
>>54025202nah /vt/ is the new bronies, bunch of pathetic faggots PAYING trannies pretend to be anime characters lmao
>>54025278You seem pretty mad about vtubers anon, do you need to talk?
>>54025274bitcoin or ethereum
>>54025231>>How will Europe get hit by this shit?Bank failures cause deflation. Enjoy the Euro sinking below the dollar.>What went so wrong? China had Evergrande because they did retarded shit with investment in real estate. But what did the burgers do here?SVB held most of their reserves as mortgage backed securities (yes, like 2008) and as low-interest treasury bonds. The Fed hiking rates crushed the value of both of those.
posting in a biz sticky thread
>>54025278At least bronies could hide behind a thin veneer of irony. There's absolutely no excuse for simping over a fake anime avatar.
I don't understand what's happening, someone please explain like I'm a retard
>>54025302Is there any cosplay of this girl?
>>54025274tether said they had no exposure to sivb so momentarily that's a plus i guess
>>54025308Ya but they’ll go down A lot too
>>54025274If you want safe just buy metals, what do you need stables for. Buy metals and btc and you'll probably be better off by the end of the decade than most people
>>54025238This can't be real. The seams couldn't possibly be coming apart so quickly that the official Twitter handle is acting as the complaint call center receptionist
>>54025302Not mad, just disappointed.
>>54025325Every anime character is a fake anon you didn't need to specify that.
what are the ramifications of this
>>54024217WE NEED MO MONEY FO DEM PROGRAMZ
>>54023857/v/ here. I don't understand shit, feel like I'm retarded.
>>54023757uh oh we have a sticky habbening
BREAKING: SVB UK branch placed into mandatory receivership by Bank of England
>>54025353>This can't be realOh but it is anon kekhttps://twitter.com/WellsFargo/status/1634337176367267843?s=20
>>54023857/v/ here, standing back and standing by
>>54025373Anime characters are real characters, with written dialogue, who participate in a story.Vtubers are female thots wearing an anime skinsuit because they're too ugly to thot the normal way.
>>54025368
>>54023857/out/ reporting in, keeping the eggs safe.
>>54025368I shorted tech with a fuck ton of leverage earlier in the week and it began paying off today. Next week I'm going to be eating good. :)
From @pulteAll the frauds being exposed
>>54025414So your line between pathetic and not pathetic is whether or not the anime character is being voiced and animated in real time or not. That's pretty weird but ok
>>54024791are you trying to brag by posting a picture of like $600 in cash?
>>54023831And Tether.
I just walked over to my local bank and it says I can't withdraw on the ATM, and the bank teller told me they can't because of "technical issues", i went over to a different branch and asked to deposit 100 (as a shit test) and they said no problem. I switched half way through the conversation and said "oh i slipped up i really wanted to withdraw 100" and the teller kinda fumbled and look at their coworkers and said "I can't, its glitched" and i just said if you can take deposits how come you can't take withdraws, and they just made up some "i don't know" bullshit lieholy shit its actually happening, im panic buying boomer rocks as we speak to retain purchasing power and wealth
>>54025320Holy Shit. They really didn't learn anything.
2nd largest bank failure in the USRIP
>>54023857/k here, Ready to shoot some shit.
>>54024080Anymore that hit like these two?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psSe0A655mA
>>54025135Looks like I owe Michael Burry an apology YET AGAIN.
>>54023757https://www.twitter.com/collinrugg/status/1634328020113825792?s=46&t=lKHZFTG8lQ5RGYKBtNNSpA
>>54023857cat princess fucker from /sthg/ - /vg/ reporting.What have you people done? Who pissed off the AI that controls the markets?
>>54025490Go back, nafo-tranny
>>540254762nd largest bank failure in the US so far
>>54025368Kiwibros not like this
>>54025476Are we just going to pretend the US government didn't bail out larger banks back in 2008 to avoid a bigger collapse?
>>54025472>>54025476shit is lit
Don't worry guys, there's no way they'll let a single Jew lose a cent
>>54023757Not my problem.
>>54025579Kiwibro here, what did you mean by this
I asked this in an earlier thread but didn't get an answer. I'm starting my new job for a bank on Monday (150K+ Salary, on the Intel/Physical Sec/Reputation Due Diligence end of things) We are also signing for our Mortgage next week. How utterly fucked am I?
BUY THEDIP
>>54023857/tv/ reporting in, my webms are locked and loaded and my bandwidth is ready for quality oc
>>54025527Man I love this little nigger bird
On a scale of 1-10, how bad is it?
>>54024080https://youtu.be/dREqmrt9EYc
>>54025623I thought so to until the let the literal Bank Man fall
>>54023757https://www.twitter.com/circle/status/1634341007306248199?s=46&t=lKHZFTG8lQ5RGYKBtNNSpA
>>54025320>SVB held most of their reserves as mortgage backed securities (yes, like 2008) and as low-interest treasury bonds. The Fed hiking rates crushed the value of both of those.can someone explain to me like a retard what exactly this means and why hiking the rate fucked them over?
>>54025635I am slurping as hard as I can
burry was right again
>>54025529Kek based retard making the Fed's policy a partisan issue
>>54025656Easy 8, maybe 9
>>54024791cute, my weekly bills in one pic :)
>>54025665there is no reason usdc should be worth more than 0.75$ then
>>54025630Rocket lab has $38 mil at SVB. >>54023757How will this affect Australian banks?
>>54025579>>54025630nevermind I'm retarded
>>54025665Oh boy. Prepare your anuses.
>>54025665If you use stablecoins unironically... I'm sorry, you failed the IQ test.
>>54025450It's actually $1100, some bills are just hidden, I assure you they are all 50's and then 1 $100. The gold I bought at $65/gram and theres 20 grams there. Around $1700 total
>>54025328https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-03-10/startup-bank-had-a-startup-bank-runLevine's take is pretty good. And he's funny. Basically, most banks hold your money and lend some of it out to people who buy homes and shit. SIVB holds the money of dumb startups. And lends it out to... well, pretty much nobody, because if you're running a startup you don't need much debt. So they invest that money in government bonds which is to say they loan it to the government. The government will absolutely make good on that promise to pay the interest on the bonds. The problem is that interest rates went up, and nobody wants old bonds that yield 0-1% when they can get 4-5% today.This is fine if you're a bank and most of your clients just keep some money with you. This is not fine if you're a bank whose clients (techbros) start withdrawing their money. This is very not fine if you're a bank whose techbro clients are prone to flipping out and pulling all their money out within 24 hours of each other. Anyone with deposits in the bank under $250K will be fine on Monday morning. Anyone (i.e., some techbro companies) over that limit will have to wait a bit. That could fuck up some tech companies, but it's likely that everybody, even the tech companies, gets made whole. Levine points out that whoever winds up taking over the bank from the Feds is buying the leftover business that was once SVB. That business is worth the brand name (which ain't shit) and whatever actual business SVB did (which is only worth anything if every one of their clients gets back 100% of the money they had on deposit).It's a shitshow and it could still go wrong, but I don't think this is 2008 all over again. But it is funny as shit. And if it all goes wrong, it will still be funny as shit, albeit for a different reason.
>>54025668Mortgages and treasuries both pay out as a given interest rate. Banks typically sell these things before they mature if they need more cash. The resale value of these mortgage backed securities and treasury bonds tanked because new mortgage backed securities and treasury bonds will pay out at a 5x higher interest rate.
>>54025668The treasury rates are higher now then what they were making on the MBSs. Thus, they can not get any buyers for their MBSs. Thus, big fucking problem.
>>54025668rate go up make bond price go downlotta low interest rate bond bought at peak bond price make number in account go down
>>54025697And by that logic a $ in a bank is worth 0
> tech companies just went through large layoffs> now VCs and startups lose everythingB-b-but I thought learning2code was going to help me make it?
>only 300 replies biz is dead
>>54025633Just keep up to 250k in separate banks, if that's your concern. And if you need to get a mortgage, you should actually just rent, but I understand some guys take the "own your own home at any cost" quite seriously.
>>54025753and that's a good thing. Bear market /biz/ is best /biz/
>>54025738you mean in a bank which circle cant access, meaning if there is a bank run on usdc only 0.75$ per usdc could be paid out as of today?..
>>54025583We know, they saved almost all banks at the timeThey can't save any now, this is just the first domino and it's already worse than anything besides WaMu
>>54025692That's 2/3 a week of pay for me, $1700. I get paid $4000 biweekly, $2000 every week. After taxes there champ. I make $8000/month after taxes.
We got emails today that we can cancel pending payments to them if we want to
>Be hedge fund>Have leveraged exposure to bonds>Rates are rising we gucci>SVB shits the bed>Has to liquidate assets>Dumps every bond and treasury it has to raise capital for creditors>Floods the market and bond rates tank>All of a sudden, a 1-2% swing on 100,000 leverage looks bad>Now hedge fund has to liquidate their assets and unroll their positions, which affects fund managers and indexes, etcGonna be good
>>54025753just think of how dead biz will be when the bloodbath truly starts next week kek
>>54025776>They can't save any now,Yes they can lmao. Who do you think prints the money retard? How do you think the 2008 bailout was paid for. It wasn't from existing money.
>>54025700very interest to hear from someone smarter than me, but australian banks don't seem to affected anywhere near as much as the european and american ones
>>54025793Anon, when someone sells bonds the rates go up. Yield to maturity bitch please
>>54025668>You deposit $100 at SVB>SVB buys a $100 bond @ 2% interest so they can make a profit on your money while it stays in the bank>jerome raises the rates>bond prices collapse>you try to withdraw $100 from SVB>SVB tries to sell the bond for cash>its only worth $50 now>no withdraws for you>pikachu face
>>54025729>>54025731>>54025734How can these guys be that retarded? I mean, it doesn't take a genius to realize a year ago that more inflation = higher interest rates from fed => we'd better start selling our mortgages while they are still worth something
>>54025790broofs :DDD
>>54025811Sorry, I was going to say yield, but I thought that was the number of years until it repays itself. Bond nomenclature still gets me, duration, yield, etc. Not an area I'm great in
>>54025725>Anyone (i.e., some techbro companies)practically all svb customers are techbro customers, insured <250k deposits only make up 2.7% of the total deposits
>>54023757https://www.twitter.com/lawrencelepard/status/1634275111204421632?s=46&t=lKHZFTG8lQ5RGYKBtNNSpA
>>54023857polcel
>>54025769>if there is a bank run on usdc only 0.75$ per usdc could be paid out as of todayThat's a lot more than any bank will give you. US banks have no reserve requirements now, so they could very well have 0% backing.
>>54025697No amon, 25% of usdc reserves in cash is held in 6 banks. We don't know much of that 25% was in svb. I personally believe that the peg won't be broken unless usdc reaches are a market cap of less than 5 billion
>>54025839>that many old fucks were dumb enough to have their life savings sitting in banks as cash over the $250k insured limit
Chinese people have been lining up to just find their funds restricted by their own banks, so, it was only a matter of time before we felt it. It's going to be a rough time. Get cozy.
hmmm
>barely any pink wojaksnothingburger
>>54025721My bad they are actually 2.5g bars, so only 10 grams thought they were my other ones.
>sticky>only 1000 postsJesus fucking christ. /biz/ really is dead huh.
>>54024282lollmao
>>54023757https://www.twitter.com/cramertracker/status/1634237672997699602?s=46&t=lKHZFTG8lQ5RGYKBtNNSpA
>>54023757I keeps my cash under my bed. And the rest of my wealth in gold, silver, crypto and shitty cars. aigmi?
>>54023857/pol/ standing by
>>54025883>>only 1000 posts>he's this new to 4chan
>>54025820>we'd better start selling our mortgages while they are still worth somethingthey *bought* shit tons of mortgages (like 80b$) during 2021. it's not just that they held onto their existing ones.part of the reason is the retarded tech boom of 2020-2021. lots of cash in tech => lots of new deposits => shit timing for a techbro bank that suddenly has to generate tons of yield for like a 150% increase in depositstheir position wasn't great from the get-go and their industry fucked them. they just shouldn't have grown that much during 2021. not sure if they could've generated the needed yield by other means.
>>54025827>dox yourselfNo thanks :DDD>>54025834Happens to the best of us
>>54025403Holy kek, that is unbelievable. Can't understand why the rest of the sticky hasn't pounced on this.
>>54025864Its not old fucks with life savings anon, its the cash accounts of big companies, see >>54025368I can't wait for next Friday when Uber stops paying drivers because the company has $0 in its checking account.
>>54025892he was guiding us through bear market the whole time, the profits between the dumps, the true cassandra
>>54023857/ck/ here, looks like something is cooking up but i don't even know what it is...
>>54023857/tg/, rattling dice.
yejibros
>>54026006>Its not old fucks with life savings anon,Look at the people lined up in >>54025839Business companies aren't lining up, they would be on the phone with their reps.
>>54023857/pol/>it's over
>>54024577Where's the pistol grip on your AK?
>>54025403Lol my puts will print Monday
It's over? Or is the worst yet to come?
>>54023757Future's so bright I gotta wear shades
This is a nothingburger.Jews want you to think it's 2008 v2 to deflate the markets.
>>54026006>>I can't wait for next Friday when Uber stops paying drivers because the company has $0 in its checking account.I can't wait for next Friday to make fun of you for being so dumb to think a company like Uber wouldn't have diversified its bank reserves.
This thread is moving so fast that no one will know that I cheat on my girlfriend
>>54026032Not like this yejibros...
>>54026003It's literally just some random roastie hag on twitter running into technical issues, probably because her laptop is infested with malware
It’s actually happening
>>54024942You don't remember when the market died? (Bog brothers)>>54024958
>>54023857Representing /fit/, lfg boys.
>>54024691It will finally be over...
I currently have all my life savings in a bank (uk, barclays, 40k). Unironically should I go tomorrow and get 10k out, put it somewhere in my house?
>>54026102The roastie isn't the focus here anon, Wells Fargo breaking Twitter face to turn into glorified chat support instead of social media relations is embarrassing no matter how you slice it.
Lol I got turned down for a startup job last year. Reimbursement for interview travel cost came from SVB. rip my niggas
>>54023757https://www.twitter.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1634349485164843008?s=46&t=lKHZFTG8lQ5RGYKBtNNSpA
why isn't this the pinned thread song? it's perfecthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kguaGI7aZg
>>54023857/lgbt/ (i'm not gay i only fuck trannies)this all seems kinda gay to me
>>54026158You should have did that today
>>54026102you know you can check for yourself right
>>54025403>https://twitter.com/WellsFargo/status/1634337176367267843?s=20Someone should sent them a private message calling them dirty kikes
>>54025956>doesn't recognize one of the most basic overused memes>he's this new to 4channel
151 billion total or 97% are insured lmao.
>>54026208>implying the response to that overused meme isn't part of the meme>me implying your response isn't part of it too
>>54024432Basically, more white women fucking black men.
>>54026085>I can't wait for next Friday to make fun of you for being so dumb to think a company like Uber wouldn't have diversified its bank reserves.idk anons, normies don't really think things through, i would not be suprised.
>>54026212I mean not insured, this kill venture capital and pensions fund
I don't think it's wise to laugh at this.Bailout is already coming. And you will pay with your taxes, burgers.
>>54026129
>>54026221>
>>54026240>to big to failagain?
>>54026240Taxes???
>>54026087based
USDC doing a lil sumsum
>>54026240>literal who saysThe Fed itself doesn't know what it's going to do
>>54026264happening.
>>54023757Its over
>>54026240https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-PtEJEaqY
>>54026292Anon, I...
>>54026087>>54026275back to reddyt
>>54026313"annnnnd it's gone."
>>54026158If Barclays go under you'd be dead anyway. Too big to fail. Don't worry, worrypants. Also, you're insured.
Techbros, I don't feel so good...
>>54026264It's not about being too big to fail. It's about not letting a couple hundred billions fuck up half of the startup economy. Just print a bit of money and get over with it.
>>54026292>FedHas nothing to do with the Fed. This is a Congress thing, just like last time. Fucking retard.
>>54026240https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/4173/text
>>54026290its no surprise when 3 out 6 banks that circle had its usdc treasuries backed in were silvergate , silicon valley and signature bank kek
HOLY FUCK USDC IS IN FREEFALL
/pol/tard tourist here. How bad is this? Please refer to the ron pa happening doomsday chart (pic rel).
>>54026325He's not in charge, doesn't matter what he says. What does JPOW says, the only man running the economy
>2008 happened because the banks used equal opportunity lending to sell houses to niggers who couldn’t afford them, then bet against themselves with short selling. This isn’t the same thing. If it is, where are the niggers?
>>54026368this man clearly has skin in the game lmaoshould've gone with JPMorgan
>>54026390>Just print a bit of moneyjust grab some from the inflation bill.
>>54023997>Does TLT go up if the fed pivots?Yes, because investors react before they think.You can play it both ways if your timing is good.
>>54026416they are not shorting niggers anonthey are shorting white peopleits for real this time
>>54026407Nothingburger cause bailouts happening
>>54026368We warned you about banks, bro. We warned you.
>>54026397I'm feeling sick...
>>54024442Chainlink
>>54026416The niggers this time around are the techtards in California.
>>54026397hope it crashes and burns lmao
>>54023857/lgbt/ hereI don't really understand it all but I'm here for the memes
>>54026440Bailouts are a huge something burger you fucking moron, that's the point. No matter what happens now, it's all fucked. Depression or Hyperinflation pick one. We might be lucky enough to taste parts of both
>>54026240They liquidate the bank's assets to refund the investors too, dumbasses.
>>54023857/tg/ here I'm just going to continue painting miniatures and pretending nothing is wrong.
>>54026397>>54026460i like crypto but coinbase and their fees can suck it
I'm Coyote Peterson, and this... is calling the janny a nigger.I'm here on the boards of /biz/ at 4channel.org, where a vicious beast called "the janitor" lurks in the shadows. His diet consists of hot pockets, and he spends most of his time jerking off to blacked on his anime body pillow which is why he leaves cuck threads up. But with a little dedication, I think we can lure him out, to see his fabled sting. Also known as a "ban", the janitor's sting can hurt for up to 3 days on average, but in rare cases, have had residual effects for a lifetime. Oh... I think I see one. Yeah that's it. Over there in his mom's basement. Do you see it? Oh wow, what a big fella. Look at the fat rolls on his abdomen. While most would call him disgusting, you have to admire mother nature and what she's created here. Alright now that the janitor is here, we'll bait him into giving us his dreadful sting.Kids, don't try this at home.Janny... you're a nigger.AHHHHAUUUUGHHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGHOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFgaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahIt's like an intense burning through my entire ip addressahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuuuughhhhhhhhhhYou can see it turn black around the border of the ban screenoooooooowwwwwwwwaaahhhhhThat's it for us here on Brave Wilderness
is this really a happening or just doomers blowing things out of proportion?
>>54026475All those valuable assets that the collapsed bank was sitting on. I bet they'll make a mint.
>>54026467People have been saying that for 2 years now. It's going to be fine, probably
>>5402650150% of all venture backed US companies are exposed, gee Idk
>>54026453>No John, you are the niggers.
>>54026505I'm sure it's far more than 250k per person's worth
Moments before Michael Burry nuked his twitter account>It is possible today we found our Enron.qrd on Enron?
>>54023857/Pol/Lets go total collapse, maximum chaos, finally all these years of prepping ITS happening
>>54026512>all venture backed US companiesretard
>>54026525I bet it's far less than it needs to be.
>>54026509Okay and this bank didn't collapse until now and you're no longer dealing with the hypothetical. It has arrived. In this moment, you are faced with it.
>>54026512i'm sure most of those are just vaporwave so they are not that important
>>54023839They faked their deaths
>>54026453And?
>>54026553>vaporwavelmao "the vaporwave crash" would be an awesome chapter in a history book
>>54026542fucking clipping out the 50% I specifically wrote in there, you fucking disingenuous retard. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-10/silicon-valley-bank-the-investor-lender-networker-of-startups
>>54026553>vaporwavelol
If USDC had about 30% of their reserves disappear, that means that the floor is 70c, right?
>>54026528inflated their revenues by faking them and cooked their debt books
>>54026553The tech sector is notoriously important for US economic growth, and every single vaporware company counted as part of that assertion.
>>54026542retard
>>54026569I’m going to need a non paywalled link
>>54026553>>54026576That reminds me>>>/wsg/4998339The office-related ones are always great
>>54026635clipped the important part here >>54026633
What's the next bank to fail? Schwab? Wells Fargo? First Republic?
https://www.seaglassproperties.com/search/homes-for-sale/st.-thomas-st-thomas--x73803-73803/lets crowdsource
>>54026676digits and its all of them
>>54026676None (yet).This is a manufactured fear event.
>>54026648this guy must have so many enemies by now
>>54023857pol reporting in. anons I have seen the ufos irl. we are slaves here to the tech masters. good luck.
>>54026687Rolling
>>54026676First Republic almost definitely the next to fail out of the ones you listed
>>54026678that would be amusing.
>>54026676Bank of AmericaTerry Davis told me so in a dream about 2 years ago
>>54023757Why is this making people panic?It's EXACTLY what should've been done in 2008. Nowadays banks are tested harder than before and before they blow up in pieces, the regulator should intervene.This isn't bad news overvall.
>>54026188>>54026676take a guess
>>54026676credit suisse
>>54026678probably no good internet on there and i won't bother with calling some faggot technician to get it set up properly
>yfw you get to watch another 2008 crisiskino
>>54026633>>54026569that doesn't mean it's 50% of all venture capital, which means it's nothing. A venture backed company got money from SVB 20 years ago? It's in the list. It's nothing. You wish so hard for banking collapse, just as you wished hard for hyperinflation. Guess what? Not happening.
>>54026729Fuck that's right people were talking about that months ago
>>54023857/cm/ standing bygoing to slurp the bottom and buy myself a top later
>>5402672397% of accounts losing money>This isn't bad news overvall.>In a company that serves half of all venture-backed US companieshahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Why didn't you just Follow the Smart Money™?
>>54026743Did I fucking say it was? Holy shit I hate sharing the autistic speech therapy board with you fucks
>>54026757these people are delusional
>>54023857/g/ I'm already on 100% cash
>>54026676The Federal Reserve
>>54024072This post is very representative of the iq of this board these days.
>>54026772it's not gonna crash, anon.And I understood perfectly well what you WISH you could've said.
>>54026743>You wish so hard for banking collapse, just as you wished hard for hyperinflation. Guess what? Not happening.
>>54026703How did Baal got associated with Satanism? In ancient Egypt Baal was god of fertility and weather,
Is it happening?
>>54026799Not going to crash? It already fucking has you monkey brained retard, it has been fucking SEIZED BECAUSE IT CRASHED.
I've never even heard of this bank. What does that mean for my understanding of the situation?
uh oh. CEObros???
>>54026835nah, it won't spread.>>54026841In this specific situtation it means it's not an important bank.
>>54026851>HELOCsOh boy here we fucking go.
>>54026851> personal mortgages> home equity lines> for hundreds of thousands of people who just missed their payrollHoly fuck. The housing crash is actually here.
>>54026786heh
>>54026865Won't? It already has, do you know how many fucking businesses there are that already cannot pay their fucking staff?
>>54026865damn, there's a literal silicon valley employee in this thread right now
They better not get a fucking bail out. Retards went long on 10Y bonds at 1.6%
>>54026819Diablo 2.
>>54023857/g/ reporting in. Is this 2008 all over again?
>>54026884This
>>54026786I fucking wish
>>54026891possibly
>>54026891It's of a similar scale, and it's starting with the techbros of Silicon Valley instead of random negroes with subprime mortgages.
>>54026891it's 2023, time goes forward and doesn't loop retard
>>54026891Nope. This is a total nothingburger. Anyone who thinks this is going to result in anything serious is a Trumpist stooge.
>>54026829Yep. Our suffering is almost over.
>>54026891>implying /biz/ (/pol/-lite) happ000000ning tards know anythinglmao. There's literally 0 people here who took their own money out of their own banks.
Kek just imagine if they do a bail in.
I can never know the exact scale of an event on 4chan because fucking everyone is trying their hardest to out doompost the other.
>>54026865I skimmed the SVB wiki page and it seems important. Lending to high net worth individuals and Silicon Valley tech companies? If I'm not mistaken, SV is responsible for a lot of America's economic power. Therefore, if SV gets proper fucked by this, won't America as well?
>>54026875It has been a bubble for a while now. California in particular has needed one for a while. The problem (this is more CA specific) is the housing shortage on top of that. It doesn't really make sense to have a crash when housing is in such high demand. I'm not particularly smart so I don't know what exactly that looks like.>>54026891Monday and the coming week will be a bigger tell of what is to come.
>>54026882There are zero. Companies not only keep their money in different banks, but they also have access to payroll loans. They'll be fine.
/pmg/ reporting in, smug and cozy as usual.
>>54026994Even if what you say is true, which it isn't, major payroll services that a lot of tech startups use to pay their employees have everything tied up in Silicon Valley Bank...
if it's another 2008 then does that mean that another bitcoin-like project will be released in about 1 year?
>>54026948Honestly you're doing it wrong if you aren't joining in. This isn't the place to come for news.
Is this in the real worldOrAre we still running a simulation?
>>54026948This is probably like a 2 or 3 on a scale of 1-10, it's bad but not that bad. A few tech companies that are pretty large (most you haven't heard of) will go under.
>>54023857/vt/ says hi again
>>54027018Yeah bro, let us know when you start paying for things with gold shavings or sell your PM's for USD and put it back into a bank.
>>54026966CheckedThe tech bubble existed specifically because we deferred the crash in 2008Without 0% interest rates and offramp government subsidies, almost every tech company would have gone bankrupt by now, or more likely would never had existed
>>54023757this time of year seems fit for happenings the past 4 years
>>54026966>SV is responsible for a lot of America's economic powerYou underestimate American's economic power if you think that. Tech companies and PoT (people of tech) may suffer a bit in the short term, but the rest of the financial industry will take up the pieces quickly enough. No company will fail because of this.150 billion is not that much money for the American financial system.
>>54027074This depends entirely on there not being a domino effect. These banks are all incestuously interlinked and a major one going down could pull down many others. And because this is happening on a Friday, we won't even know until Monday.
>>54027099wait until /biz/ finds out the same is true for fake internet money
>>54027039>lot of tech startups everything tied up in Silicon Valley Bank...I'm afraid not.
>>54026918>a Trumpist stoogenice buzzword bingo!
>>54027148>purposefully misquotingWhy even bother, rabbi?
>>54026841Okay.>So this bank was responsible for nearly half of all Tech start ups lending>47% of all Biomedical IPOsThis isn't the issue yet we are unraveling that.See American had been running on "free money" for the last 13 year you wanted money from bank at low interest you got it easy. Then 2020 happened and we printed A LOT of money to make super free money, PCP loans, and bail outs to survive the shut downs.Suddenly the Federal Reserve realizing very late there is an inflation spiral begins raising rates fast. Fastest rate hikes since the 80s when the rates hit 20%. The intent is to slow down lending which slows inflation.Why does this matter because it meant banks can't get free money. If they need to borrow money then the bank needs to pay with interest and this hurts the banks. SVB was handing out a lot of risky loans and well when the Tech Start Ups failed the loans stopped being repayed. Causing SVB to take on debt to sustain itself.Now why is this a big deal well SVB was the 15th I think largest bank in the US on top of that several companies banked with them meaning when the bank failed those multi million dollar accounts turned into .25 million dollar pity checks. Finally when a bank fails it stresses the banks that lended to keep them a float sort of working through the banking system like a virus actually called a contagion.But now the fun part see SVB had across the board A ratings meaning the entire system used to rate the banks safety, your moneys safety is under scrutiny sending panic and becoming the catalyst for bank runs which could break other banks as they DO NOT have your money on hand. Also there have already been video of people getting arrested for wanting their money.Have some /tv/ kino explaining what happens.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbwjS9iJ2Sw
>>54027148Rippling is just one example of a payroll firm that got caught up in this mess
>>54027074more details on who is apparently affected by this, as per wikipedia>Following the news, several venture capitalist firms including Founders Fund, Coatue Management, and Union Square Ventures advised their portfolio companies to withdraw their money out of SVBFounders Fund>Founders Fund had more than $11 billion in aggregate capital under management as of 2022>The firm's investments include Airbnb, DeepMind, Lyft, Facebook, Flexport, Palantir Technologies, SpaceX, Spotify, Stripe, Wish, Neuralink, Nubank, and Twilio.[17] Coatue Management>Assets under Management: $70 billion>notable investments include: Airtable, Ant Financial, Anaplan, ByteDance, Chime, Dapper Labs, Databricks, DoorDash, Instacart, Meituan, OpenSea, Snap Inc., SoFi, Spotify, Abacus.AIUnion Square Ventures>The firm has backed more than 130 startups, including Twitter, Etsy, Stripe, Coinbase, Zynga, Tumblr, Stack Overflow, Meetup, Kickstarter, MongoDB, Flurry, and Carta.[1]
If svb took a shit, and the tech bubble popped, does that mean we are going to see fields of pink wojaks on monday as crypto will freefall harder than ever before for being... tech?
>>54026948FTX imploding wasn't as big as this though FTX was probably more spectacular in its absurdity.
>>54027175Anon, saying the payroll system is the important thing in all that is even more stupid. They'll just pick another bank on Monday.
>>54027104>emissions control lampI laughed because for a second I thought it was low on gas but I don't even know wtf kind of faggot car cares about le emissions, I've never seen this.
>>54027226Crypto doesn't fall until traditional collateral sources completely evaporate. How close we are to that moment is anyone's guess.
>>54024887impressive. very nice. now let's see the Riga sprats.
>>54023757AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
>>54026918
>JPM calls large SVB depositors to tell them to run from SVB>$45 billion bankrun overnight>FDIC now likely to sell SVB to JPMorganJPMorgan ordered a killshot on SVB just like they did with Washington Mutual in 08.They'll get billions in SVB assets for pennies on the dollar. How is this legal?
Ah fuck me I haven’t cashed my check from these cocksuckers yet.
It's going to be like 2008 all over again. BUY when the banks are CHEAP. BUY GOLD AND SILVER. BUY PROPERTY.
>>54023757Omg the FDIC WORKS! Red wojaks btfo. I love the federal government, new American century let’s goooooo! Listen to Peter Zeihan, the guy knows his shit.
>>54024080The only safe hedge in this scenario is GME. WAGMI https://youtu.be/2LE0KpcP05I
>>54027197>some stupid startup that does the job of the HR deparment for themcome on...
>>54027272>FDIC now likely to sell SVB to JPMorganThere isnt really any evidence of that yet.
>>54027293DO NOT REDEEM
SVB is not a real bankWe purposefully financed it wrong, as a joke.
>>54027251Its the check engine light for WV golfs, anyway sign your in to piss away a lot of cash
>>54027143imagine simping for fake goverment money
>>54024282The lightning will stuff them again
>>54027324I agree, it is stupid, but that's exactly what they do
>>54027319Hello yes. FDIC! I need my 200 million moved out of SVB immediately!$250,000 is all I was insured for... but I had 200 million how will I pay my employees and business expenses...Why are you laughing?No I will not hold.Okay I'll wait...
>>54023757I'M TO YOUNG TO FACE A SYSTEMATIC BANKING COLLAPSE
>>54026085A lot of these tech companies are not as smart as you think they are.
henlowhat is USDC and why is it depegging?
>>54027370
>>54027401Being young is a benefit the best things in this situation is to be young because you can work out of it. Imagine being a boomer and not recognizing how bad this is and your retirement is now getting destroyed because you didn't switch it over to a low risk fund.>>54026085HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OH BOY are you a tourist from another board? Because you have no idea how bad this shit is.
>>54027417retard
THE US GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BAIL OUT SVB RIGHT FUCKING NOW.>b-b-b-but MUH TAX DOLLARSIF YOU DONT BAIL THEM OUT YOU WILL PAY FOR IT REGARDLESS IN HIGHER PRICES FOR EVERYTHING TECHNOLOGY RELATED
>>54027107>No company will fail because of this.not even my biotech fish farming startup?
>>54023788This.>>54023789No.>Meme bank didn't hold enough customer depositsWow! Fractional banking. How does it work?
>>54023757What does this have to do with crypto?All fields frens
/pol/ here. accelerate.
>>54027467Pffft. The US government doesn't bail out banks. The Federal Reserve does and they are committed to beating inflation which means there will be no bail outs. It's not 08 these are the sins of 08 coming to haunt us.
>>54027467This. It won't even be your tax dollars that pay for it. Let Bill Gates foot the bill.
good thing i have all my money in TCGs
/out/ here my lake is full of bass and catfish will this affect me?
Who could have seen this coming??
>>54027440did i make you upset anon?
>>54027513>they are committed to beating inflationby printing money?
>>54023789IT JUST DID AND STILL DOES, OK?!
>>54024731Godskin Noble
>>54027518Worm prices are going to go through the roof. Dig while you can.
>>54027525never
Should I pull my savings out of the bank?
>>54027539
>>54027495>Wow! Fractional banking. How does it work?Fractional reserve banking was suspended during the pandemic and still is. We're in Italian bench market mode right now.
>>54023757You startup babbies are fucked
>>54027529the fed is not printing money at the moment
>>54027401You misspelled semite
>>54027519finally, my boxes of 2018 bullshit will be worth more than $140
It took 2 days for Charles Schwab to lose 2 years worth of growth.
>>54027388https://youtu.be/3UDH5WwgsEI
>>54026085>Uber>smart
>>54027457>increasingly nervous bull sweating as he stands at the precipice
>>54027308MBS were part of their assets. This will cascade into property obviously.
>>54027671ok, that's a bit concerning
>>54027591I should go to church
>>54024217Like a Dave Chappelle Sketch, clown world needs to stop soon
>>54023857/trash/ reporting in, holding cashWhat the did the hooknoses do this time?
>>54027449i'm only 26 with a average salary of 50k/ year salary and 5k of credit card debt. its over anon. unironically, my boomer father will get through with this. He isn't over leveraged and invest in business that practically run themselves like laundromats
>>54027495>Wow! Fractional banking. How does it work?it doesnt
>>54027529Oh boy.The current FED is trying to limit money printing and has rose rates at a speed not seen since the 80s. This is a repercussion of the money printing this same FED did. The issue is raising rates hurts banks, which in turn hurts business, which hurts consumer spending which lowers inflation.See this man. Jews fear this man more then Hitler because he did something they still wet themselves over. It's time you learned about the 80's and the Volcker shock.
>>54027727>only 5k of credit card debtJust pay it off lol. What are your investment allocations you have a salary so I know you have a 401k.>>54027720The usual gooning is tax free for now. Don't keep your money locked up in banks for a while.
>>54027606My startup is in the recruitment market, we just contracted a 200k bank credit aswell as 125k public founding. If the employment market crashes we're so fucked, thank god I didn't contract anything with personal liability lol
>>54024217Wow. Diversity hires. How could this go wrong?
>>54024711>make money>take money out of bank>golem stops you on the route>hey sir do you have any money on you>yee.. yes sir>how much>50k but it's to do.. home improvements>sorry sir you can't take more than 10k in cash and you may be a terrorist this limit has not been updated since 1970 when a house was 15k usd but that's not my problem>money seized>us government bypasses constitution by doing a trial against the money instead of you>us gov vs 50k usd cash>mfw
>>54023857/mlp/ here shidding and farding like usual
>>54027188>Why does this matter because it meant banks can't get free money. If they need to borrow money then the bank needs to pay with interest and this hurts the banks. SVB was handing out a lot of risky loans and well when the Tech Start Ups failed the loans stopped being repayed. Causing SVB to take on debt to sustain itself.interesting. How risky were these loans, exactly?
>>54026769What the fuck they are two separate people?
>>54027843They're bankrupt
>>54024080https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUZHtlysIBg
>>54023757Monday is going to be fun.
I'm a retard swedish neet and I'm only here for the happeningwhat does this mean?
>>54027843They would probably fund things like Juicero and Smalt
>/biz/ stickyRARE
>>54027694ok retard
>tfw MOASS
>>54027886Not as rare as you may think, also fuck the janny that put "the end of evangelion" song as the board background music during march 2020
>>54023857/o/ reporting
>>54027507RULES OF NATURE
Would be hilarious of Biden cancel FDIC insurance for non niggers and non women.
>>54026890>tfw hell baal drops tyreal's
>>54023857/ck/ here! time to oil up
>>54027677truly comfy music to listen to while all my savings evaporate into nothingness
>>54027879Bank runs have begun
>>54027936go back to /pol/
>>54027787no retirement in anyway. i just liquidated my 30k portfolio it so our family could have several nest egg when interest rates were near 0%2 business and 2 house. all the while while paying for a masters degreehard assets mean nothing to complete banking failure
>>54027369I have always loved VW Golfs, and just yesterday someone told me they're costly. I didn't even know. Now you're telling me this.Do they really suck?I don't want to tell you what I drive because it's a '22 Hyundai
>>54023857/vg/ /funkg/ reportan
>>54027965Shut the fuck up, shill.
>>54027965Corrupt US government policy towards banking is why we're even having this conversation. The membranes between the worlds of /biz/ and /pol/ have worn thin with auspicious stars. Tonight, we are one board.
>>54023757I had a friend who had tons of puts on this. Is he rich now or do they expire?
>>54027965Oooo, testy, huh? Are you some tech fag watching the modern Sodom and Gomorrah explode in an inferno?
>>54027936Don't give him any ideas. You just KNOW one of his staffers has already brought this idea up to him within the past 24 hours.
>>54023857/o/tist reporting in
Just got an email from management that my company and all of our clients have accounts hereIts fucking over
>>54027251I've an oxygen sensor fault engline light for nearly 3 yearscouldn't give a fuckfuck emissions filters
>>54028033>>54028049How do you fall for bait this shitty?
>>54025274Like another anon said: metals.
>>54023857/o/ here, lamenting that i'll never be able to buy my dream car
>>54023757old fart who watched the 2008 crash live over months; ama>>54027876maybe. It's the crisis of confidence which sets things off. With this bank gone, other banks are now rethinking their risk; and if there are any mutual clients who relied on debt to stay afloat; they'll find themselves getting capital calls from multiple banks at once. Meanwhile; this will also freeze up credit lines between banks; which caused a whole new world of problem in 2008>>54027745No, it's more like... the fed is trying to get his friend of cocaine, and the friend keeps saying "if I can't have more I'll die">>54027513the bigger problem is that the artificially low rates have prevented the nation from making up the money borrowed during the last crash. So instead of a bazooka in his pocket; they've got nothing.>>54027500there's an old phrase which says "you can't cheat an honest man". In practical terms, that means the best suckers are those who go in thinking they're going to cheat everyone else.>>54027308not gold and silver; but yes on property (if/when the price collapses, especially commercial), and probably yes on the better bank stocks. Sitting on cash right now is not bad either, in spite of what most will say.
are people with savings/checkings in top 5 commercial banks fucked? what about credit unions? can someone hold my hand?
4Chan is so quick to overblow things lol. Nothing's gonna happen. How many happenings can there be that never "happen" for you dummies to get it.
>>54028086How do you know it’s bait? Some anons genuinely want containment boards.
>>54027843Loans to tech start ups?>Approximately 90% of startups will fail.Very risky. Basically if I did a Tech Start Up took out a loan blew the money on dumb shit like diversity hires, advertising, and paying myself and I declare bankruptcy on the Start Up while making 0 or worse negative profit (basically taking out more loans to keep the company afloat... this happened A LOT) then the bank is at a lose on the loan meaning the bank lost the money people who deposit their money into the bank gave them. Now USUALLY this is not a problem because the bank can take a loan from another bank to cover themselves. The issue is SVB failed meaning they couldn't pay back the money they borrowed and they couldn't pay back the people who deposit money. This is where the problem begins because for you and me who probably don't keep all their wealth or have enough wealth to worry about this is annoying but we won't get hurt since FDIC covers the cost... the issue is all accounts over the $250,000 coverage are fucked beyond belief. Say you have 1 million you only get 25% of your money.Say you have 10 million you will only recoup 2.5% of your account.Say you have 100 million you will only get .25% of the total account back.So it is a real fucking problem when payrolls and multi million dollar companies have their funds evaporate with no idea if they will ever get them back. And the only way to get them back is more loans from banks to other banks.
you ok Ameribros?
>>54023857/co/ reporting, been posting twitter screenshots
>>54023857/fit/ reporting. I'm about to start milking women as a free alternative to whey if this shit goes down
>>54023757BOOMERS AND OLDFAGS PLEASE with your infinite wisdom to a humble zoomer:"how do weather this storm">inb4 you say christ
>>54027965Hmm, I am beginning to notice a pattern...
>>54028147haha ok
>sticky thread is 4 hours old>only 600 replieskek
>>54028191Dried black beans, rice, canned sardines, and a solar panel with an induction heater to cook on.
>>54028196those are some fake ass names
>>54028191kill yourself you had 3 years to accoomulatet. highest iq zoomer
>>54028191Invest in Total Market ETFs, Precious Metal probably and bonds. Also >>54028203 BEENZ and DEENZ are a strong investment strategy.
>>54028171No, and neither are you. Our funny money undergirds this whole stupid system.
>>540281963>1>4>2
>>54028184smart ladnow drop and give me 20.
>>54028212It was common for eastern European immigrants to change their names when they came to the US.
>>54028203>a solar panel with an induction heater to cook onfuck that. get one of picrel.
>>54028260How are you gonna refill it, genius? Solar panel and a car battery will work for years.
>>54028273BOIL BROS WE GOT A CHANCE!
>>54024007Can't keep blaming boomers, anon. This is unfortunately a millenial/zoomer issue. So much dogshit in the economy right now due to dogshit trends supported by dogshit kids and young adults. Boomers have absolutely no clue what the fuck is going on.
You guys know how to grow your own food, right?
>>54028273call up the company? Good luck running an induction cooker from a car battery and a solar panel.
>>54024908they will say they are taxing themselves 99% or some shitnobody will actually see that money
>>54028283No Boomers are VERY VERY responsible for this as well.
>>54023757https://www.twitter.com/benmullin/status/1634373707727601664?s=46&t=lKHZFTG8lQ5RGYKBtNNSpA
>>54028191The Three B'sBulletsBeansBullionStay safe, shoot straight, don't let them disarm you.
>>54023857i may be armed as a /k/ommando but i really don't want to take someone life people forgot how bad katrina got WITH the niggers imagine if its nationwide I remember hearing my much older brother walking armed with shotgun
>>54028283The boomers made the school system shitty and mortgaged our future when they let investment banks off the hook for making illegal securities arrangements. Who tf makes up congress, the senate and the white house? Silent gen an boomers, simple as.
so what do I buy to take advantage of this
>>54028311Maybe the whitehats pulled this off?
>>54023857/pol/ reporting
A shit ton of funded companies use SVB as their only bank account. They were known as a mainstay, and a pretty conservative bank, actually. They took on too many deposits in last 3 years and didn't manage risk.Now, a ton of small companies can't run payroll and will vaporize in the next month. Employees maybe can hold out 1 or 2 paychecks, but that's gonna be it. Going to be a glut of people on the market very soon.
>>54028343Chainlink
>>54028283Who's got all the money right now, and thus all the power, anon? It ain't millenials, not even the richest among us, by any credible metric.
>>54028314https://youtu.be/68eNX-u2nzg
>>54028343puts on coinbase
>>54028317as a australian, seeing americans face a crisis like this and the readiness to shoot one's neighbor imprints that americans are really savage and no better than the nigger they hate
>>54028229>bondsLiterally why SVB got fucked. There's no point buying bonds if interest rates are due to continue increasing.
>>54028349Listen it's Jews we know it is Jews. They have done this before... 11 times actually. The market will rebound in 5-15 years things will be good and then they will do it again.>>54028378Didn't you have a guy dress up in armour and start shooting at people.
>>54028292>asked to provide means to survive collapse>presumes infrastructure will still be operatingBold strategy, cotton. Let's see how it works out for him.Even a damn microwave would be better than betting it all on gas.
>>54027495Has anyone ever tried to FOIA these videos?
>>54028378>australianOk, Chang.
>>54028378If you want to hear some real stories, check out what happened in a lot of places after the Soviet block fell. Your mileage might have varied, but true societal unpheaval is something that no society weathers politely.
>>54028378Yeah, and you better watch out if you know what’s good for you. This shit leads to WWIII and guess how important Australia and Indonesia/Papua New Guinea are in the western pacific…
>>54028397I mean Treasury bonds not the same as what the Banks were using. High interest is good for bonds because it increases the pay out you receive when it matures.
>>54023757I've been waiting for this sticky for like 8 hours, where have you jannies been?Anyways, whos ready for bank bail ins over the weekend?
>>54028418one of those giant containers lasts me 3 months. there's no city gas here. So 4 of them would last a year. I have solar too, and induction. But a car battery is far from an ideal energy storage system, and one panel isn't enough. $400 of gas to last a year vs $1000s in batts and panels.
the REAL question is why the FUCK did NO ONE fucking TELL ME this shit was going to HAPPEN so i could FUCKING SHORT THE HELL OUT OF THIS SHITwhy the FUCK was there NOT a SINGLE thread about THIS even though i LURK this shitty ass BOARD looking for EASY ways to make lots of MONEY for AT LEAST 10 hours per DAY
>>54023757https://www.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1634374859043270678?s=46&t=lKHZFTG8lQ5RGYKBtNNSpA
>>54028378>as a australianstop reading there
it's impacting larger companies too like Roku which I didn't expect. They have 487 million locked up with SVB, 26% of their cash.https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/roku-says-26percent-cash-reserves-stuck-in-silicon-valley-bank.html
>>54023799very mesmerizing
>>54028471Because everyone on modern 2023 /biz/ is gatekeepish about their actual good knowledge and only shares fud
>>54023857/pol reporting
>>54028471It was on Smg for the past week or so, numbnuts.
>>54028378go fuck your dingo you faggot. Australians are always shitposters.
>>54028492Roku is fucked now
>tfw work for a company that rode out the 2008 recession without a single layoffSounds like a whole lotta not my problem
>>54028378you "people" literally allowed your government to put you in internment camps over the flu
>>54028458Die for Israel no thanks
>>54023799American acrobats are really something.
>>54028471It was known as the most shorted stock in the world... where were you?>>54028475Elon won't do shit he is trolling.>>54028492>487 millionSorry Roku but you are only covered for 250 thousand... no sir you will not be able to redeem.>>54028510We know get in we are trying to figure out how to profit off of this.
whoops
>>54028537Their children were dragged kicking and screaming from their arms and they shrugged
Nothing will happen anywaySome tech retards got BTFOOh well moving on
>>54023799Now do you sticks understand this is the power of Americans.
>>54028560
>>54028454Again same problem, if the interest rate is due to increase the value of the bond which is fixed at issument decreases, especially for treasuries, as it's then more preferable to buy bonds issued at higher rates. Only time bonds are a good asset is when rates stay stable or have little variance.
>>54023875No.>>54028560
>>54023857/v/ reporting in
>>54028134I read an effort post somewhere that convinced me that the credit unions are even more liable to lose the money than traditional banking institutions. This was months ago. I’ve only retained the sentiment and not the particulars.
>>54028589Sounds bullish for bonds.
>>54028378I'm really glad you're becoming a Chinese puppet like your neighbor New Zealand.
ok so come monday how do i make money off this?
so... What should I do now?
>make bank that exclusively gives money to tech companies>put all deposited money in a money market account that tracks tech companieswho decided this was a good idea
>>54023857>ALL BOARDS, REPORT IN/k/ LEADER STANDING BYBANK RUN LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>54028202Crypto dumped so bag holders are living ina cabin for a few days before checking their portfolios
>>54028560is there a way to know which startups kept most of their cash there, and which were only "involved" with the bank to the extent of a few forgotten million in an old, unimportant (to them) account?
>>54023857/a/ reporting
>>54028550Make sure your gains aren't in fiat or digital currency I recommend land guns ammo and canned goods if this goes full send which is the plan (usher in New digital currency 24/7 tracking and real time remote asset seizure) money won't mean much. Land food and means of defense will be top investments bullets will be easier tools of trade than money. That's probably a big far out though in the meanwhile I would start shorting and hope the gains outpace the inflation and there is a bank to hold them that is trustworthy personally I wouldn't trust any aspect of the financial system this is just the beginning China has plans and the new currency brics nations are rolling out is backed by oil and gold rather than e-iou's
>>54024217I'm black, and this is worrisome. Gonna need at least one white man of Anglo-Germanic descent in there to calm my fears.
>>54026917lolLmao even
>>54028616It's not, if you want to buy bonds or treasuries buy them when the Fed clearly states they're holding rates stable with the intention of easing them after a set period of time. Ie sometime 2025.
>>54028638https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_3_-UrhZH0
>>54028544Checked and duck man seems to agree.
>>54023857/qst/ reader standing by
>>54028671At a minimum a Latino. The point of diversity is to have people with different backgrounds and world views not.........?
They are exiting to buy in catgirl, Neuro Sama predicted it
>>54028647If they even had cash. I'm sure a good percent of them have no cash, and are/were operating off the debt they were being provided by SVB.So... you have the rich people and banker types putting in money to invest in the startups; and the startups sucking the money out on their new products.Both will lose, but in different waves. For those startups not making profit already; they lose their operating capital pretty quick. For those who invested money; they will probably lose all; unless the money was isolated in some way.At the same time, all of the startups left out in the cold will be looking for new debt issuers; with a bunch of startups flooding the market looking for money people probably won't want to loan.
>>54023857/k/ reporting in
>>54023857May the Peace be with you ; /x/ Here, on behalf of the Great Goddess of the Night.Considering baking a ritual to make sure this parody of a financial system falls apart for good. Is it really necessary, though? I hate working for nothing...
>>54028647Also, a naive question about FDIC: if SVB is bought by a bigger bank like JPMorgan, which some posts here have alluded to happening, what does that mean for the defunct bank accounts?
>>54025665Well, well, well, I hope this centralized stablecoin doesn't make it out now.
>>54028722sweet garand, love mine
>>54028727JPM would bail them out and make those accounts whole if they did, all at cost to themselves if they did.
>>54028739>i would just go back to melbourne and get a better degreenot if i shoot you first upside down abbo
>>54028667Best investment I made was in canning supplies so I could can my own food. Gonna start loading up on mason jars and lids again. Those fuckers always have a run when shit gets like this. Learn to can if you haven't it is such a stupidly useful skill.>oh hey chicken is on sale for a steal but I can't eat it all at once>can it whole, make canned soup>oh shit a fruit or vegetable is on sale maybe someone I know grew to much>can that shit
>>54028647Ask me why, I don't knowthread theme (Verification not required.)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuZkdeU54o0
>>54024080alternating between these twohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwxIGe1oOJQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY3ARtg2e08
>>54028779based canning anon. what's the advantage to canning over just freezing stuff? lasts longer? I have probably a years worth of frozen deer in my chest freezer.
>>54024080https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/150189
>>54023857/vt/ here
>>54028832You don't need to plug a mason jar into an outlet dumby.
>>54025368>mfw robloxi don't think you guys understand how many people literally make a living on that shit
>>54028832>what's the advantage to canning over just freezing stuff?In a true SHTF situation, the power will go out and your freezer is fucked. And even if it's only a recession, those big freezers eat up your electric bill, which will suck if your money situation is shitty
>>54028709>At the same time, all of the startups left out in the cold will be looking for new debt issuers; with a bunch of startups flooding the market looking for money people probably won't want to loan.Could this lead to a situation where the behemoths of Silicon Valley, essentially the FAANG companies, can vacuum up an entire market of dirt cheap startups and talent? Like a fire sale?
>>54028283>blaming this mess on brainless zoomersThe eternal boomer, nothing's ever your fault eh?
>>54028868I have 10kW of solar. I don't care if the grid explodes.
>>54023857/vp/ reporting in>Verification not required.
wtf fiatbros i thought the military solved this?!?
Just buy this
>>54028885Oh sure. Depending on how back things were at a given startup; they could probably buy them out with little more than a promise to keep the payroll checks coming
>>54023857All over a nothingburger, buy signal
NEXT UP JP MORGAN DONT GO TO THE BANK ON MONDAY AND WITHDRAW ALL YOUR MONEY IN CASH SIRS PLEASE DO NOT REDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEM
>>54028880thought this would be the answer. thanks. might see about getting into canning. We have a ton of freeze dried food and regular store bought canned food. But we've got solar and a generator too. Grid is unstable af here anyway.
>>54023857/gif/ here. Taking a break from cooming
>>54028893Until nigs steal/break your solar panels. Mason jars are forever. I just bury them like meat and vegetable treasures.
This is what happens when you bet against GME.
>>54024618>impressed by FMJsI have armor piercing. It's not regulated, just expensive.
>>54028492TOP KEK NO REFUNDS NO RUKU BOXY
>>54028038Beautiful anon
Bong here, when will it affect me?
jewboy is livehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVfajf0A0fk
WHERE THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO KEEP MY MONEY
>>54024282>Just curious should leafs be concerned?Yes. Trudeau finished selling off the last of Canada's gold reserves a few years ago so the Canadian government is in deep with no cover. If there is a global banking crisis and paper money fails Canada has nothing to turn back to. Best of luck bud.https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/canada-canada-sells-its-goldunder-trudeau-bank-of-canada-has-only-77-ounces-of-gold/
In before the Jews somehow win again.
>>54028919Lasts longer, less at risk.Also there are things like sauces, pickling, fermentation and so on that just work better with canning... finally mason jars are just an extremely useful thing to have around.
>>54028378>readiness to shoot one's neighborThe fuk you talking about? The tech bros affected are 10000x more likely to deal with this by taking off their Lululemmon Mens tights and asking their wives to peg them in the ass than shoot their neighbor. Its a very very calm area.
Representing /pmg/
>>54023857Put me in the screen cap.
>>54023857/pw/ reporting
>>54029008did lehman brothers collapse affect the UK in 2008?(the answer is yes britanon).
>>54029031>in deep with no coverlmao the retard thinks gold reserves cover you against anythingit's the canadian economy that covers itself
>>54028492Oh no will my netflix and Peacock still work on my TV?
>>54029043thanks, any good resources on learning to can, or just in the pressure cooker and cook for a bit?
>>54028779You can fucking CAN chicken?! WTF WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME
>>54024607
>>54029030lumber.
>>54024359>biz is deadits better this way, at least there are some quality discussions here now
>>54023799Look how the gut is the center of gravity, jesus
The Federal Reserve will stop raising rates now that they realize the economy is more fragile than they thought.They just popped the tech bubble and an entire bank, the second largest bank collapse in US history. JPow will realize that he has to stop double-jumping up the mountain and assess the terrain.As a result, inflation will continue. Prices are going to get worse. Yes, most price inflation today is due to supply-side constraints, but the Fed was at least able to do something about consumer demand by raising rates.
>>54023857/SP/ HERELOOKS LIKE SVB IS GETTING BLOWN THE FUCK OUT BUT WE'LL SEE HOW THEY RESPOND COMING INTO THE SECOND HALF...
BEWARE THE IDES OF MARCH
>>54024400Cramer's kiss of death strikes again.
>sticky
Hi, is this a US only thing or will it spread?
>another tech bubble burstingtechtards BTFO. Maybe its time for these yuppy nerds to learn how to farm
>only 800 replies after 5 hoursbiz is dead
Do a cash flow audit of your household expenses. At least 10% of each paycheck MUST go into your portfolio. Cut where you can and make it happen. Pursue a diverse, long-term 60/40 investment strategy. That's 60% securities (mutual funds and ETFs), 40% bonds, 0% crypto. Get a skill. Skilled labor is the best way to bargain for higher wages.
>>54029171>globohomo financial system collapsingbuy ETFs guys. kek.
Who lost more of other people's money, SVB or SBF?
>>54025741Learn2Farm & Learn2Repair next
>>54029156It's an Israel thing. Scared yet?
>>54029118This will affect the world economy because the Russo-Ukrainian War in ongoing, the pero dollar still exists, and the USD is still the world reserve currency. If the USD inflates, the Eurodollar also inflates. Trade gets more costly in the rest of the world. Remember what happened to Sri Lanka and Pakistan last year? That ongoing cost-of-living crisis in the UK? Yeah, more of that.
Are we doomed or not?
>>54029207>Learn2Repairthis one may not be so bad. i know like 5 people with broken dishwashers right now (including me)
>>54029030mattress
>>54025687kek, seething democlap
>>54029164Maybe don’t pin a nothingburger like a retard?
>>54023857/p/ here, about to take pictures of my stuff before selling it all on facebook marketplace
>>54023857/jp/ here, ready for shtf.
1-9 and nothing substantial is happening
>>54029198Definitely the collapse of neo-liberal fiscal policy. It'll take some more time, but we'll get there. No one knows what ideology will replace it and I don't think it even exists yet, but it will happen.This is the tech bubble finally bursting. It's definitely significant, but it's not a full-blown financial collapse.
>>54024618Yes. In most states if you have $11,000 you can even buy a rifle capable of shooting down a helicopter. (Except in California of course.)
I'm glad things turned out this way.
>>54029164Because this is also being discussed in smg retard.
>>54029088The Ball Blue Book. It's basically the bible for canning. >>54029087 It also tells you how to can meat my edition mentions squirrel and rabbit as well as poultry like chicken and game birds. Also how to can stocks. Extremely useful also just good in practice since even if SHTF is not happening it is fun to can your own salsa or what ever and give it out as gifts.Alright enough shilling Ball Mason jars.>>54029156The US Dollar is the Global Reserve currency. EVERYONE.
>>54029301Must have been a brutal accident that put you in a coma for 4 years. The world ended in March 2020 and we're post-apocalyptic at the moment.
bros, I'm a 24 yr old NEET heavily reliant on my sister's Data Entry money. How fucked am I?
>>54029338thanks anon. will check it out. But going out for beers now, before the world ends kek. see ya
>>54029072>lmao the retard thinks gold reserves cover you against anything>it's the canadian economy that covers itselfBless your heart, Leaf.
This is going to be very bad for the California economy and it will be an accelerant for the Calexodus. Software engineers will start going to Pittsburgh and Houston to modernize US heavy industry. Apps like 'Spotify but for dogs with anxiety' will be no more.
I know /biz/ is the worst board to ask for this kind of advice but is it a good strategy to buy a shitload of burger bonds now?
>>54029407don't american states already export their problems like homelessness to each other?what more than several codemonkeys
>>54029416Yes. Inflation will get worse as the Fed eases off the rates pedal. They'll stop raising rates because this is now the second bubble they've popped in 6 months. US T and I bonds are traditionally good hedges against inflation.
>>54029362interesting, i thought data entry was now all done by SE asians for 25 cents a day. I am surprised that you can make enough money doing it to support two people.
>>54029407I heard in a thread that Pittsburgh metro has a population of 2m and is over 85% white.How true is this and what are the financial implications of a whiteboi stronghold?Is this the final frontier?
>>54029407good!
>>54029126I'm sorry, but did SVB already lose? Oh, that's right. The trimester isn't even over yet. In fact, it's only march. Does not having liquidity in march count as a loss? Is that what you're saying? Because if you're saying that I can assure you that you're wrong. Why would you make this topic when the money printer is still on? SVB is being insured right now and they have been the best lenders in the tech industry for how many years now? They're lending to some of the dumbest companies in silicon valley who just happened to do a bank run because they're feeding off the energy of a market panic in a friday Night. But you know what? Their hands are fucking weak. The SVB is one of the best fucking banks in the USA, they got 487mil from roku last year and would of raised enough capital if deposit holders didn't choke. Maybe you should shut the fuck up before you make retarded topics like this. You know why? Because you're going to be embarrassed when SVB gets bailed and someone bumps this topic. Oh look at that, the FDIC shut SVB down just when they needed a distraction to the debt ceiling issue, just like Obama did. Are you a fucking drunk? Are you retarded? Are you autistic? You are a fucking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I'm fucking serious. I almost have a feeling you're the only guy making all these anti-SVB topics because you're a faggot hater who doesn't like the team because they're good. Fuck you, be good at something in YOUR life and then maybe try to troll these fucking banks on the board, like I give a fuck. It's so easy to spot out your threads now, you're a retard. Always doing stupid shit like this. Why don't you try to be a good poster? Just for once? For once in your fucking life try not to make a topic like this. That's just you, you're always right at getting it wrong.
>>54029481Pittsburgh solved the rust belt's offshoring problem by investing heavily in education. They are now the center of precision manufacturing and robotics in the US.Houston is the largest city close to Mexico. They can do precision engineering of machine parts and send them to Mexico to be cheaply assembled.The economy doesn't care about your race, retard. It only cares about how little it can pay you to work.
>>54029118He's not going to stop raising rates just because something broke in the economy. This was planned for and intended, and inflation still has a long way to go before its tamed. That being said, we will probably get a 25 bps hike this month instead of the initially forecasted 50 bps, but with the soft landing fallacy off the table now, it wont be the bullish indicator you think it will. We are past the point now of just simply waiting for a pivot.
how low can (YOU) go?
>>54028378A,Erica was born in blood, cunt.
>>54028878>i don't think you guys understand how many people literally make a living on that shitExactly why it deserves to fucking crash. Time for zoomers to get a real job.
>>54029581If what you're saying is true, then rates will continue to go up and this ongoing 'recession' will continued to be contained in the tech and biotech sectors. NASDAQ and NASDAQ-adjacent businesses will keep getting hard fucked while construction, manufacturing, energy and agriculture keep performing.
>>54029550It was rather a joke u mutt im not even whiteAre the universities in Pittsburgh that top notch though? Are they the next boston in terms of education?
>/biz/ sticky
>>54024016Dat nigga need braces on his toes
>>54029663No. This is just student loan baggie cope.
Big joe = joe lubin
>>54029679btc not even 1k spx not even 2k
Henlo frens how are yuo
>>54029663For robotics and engineering yes. For everything else, hell no. Boston schools are still better at literally everything though. The thing that's different about Pittsburgh is that the schools and businesses are very closely intertwined. So you'll finish your engineering degree and immediately get poached by a local business.
>>54029703drunk
HI GUYS I'M TRANS AND I'M OP BTW
>>54029656Yep, that's my theory too. The Fed chose to sacrifice the most worthless, overpaid, non-essential industry (Tech) so the most productive people of society can be spared in keeping the country running effectively.
>>54023757SVB NOT NEEDED
so its the holocaust for techfags?
>>54029737The tech bubble was overdue. Raising rates was bound to make this happen. The tech bubble, social media, app economy etc was made possible by near 0 interest rates and thus cheap VC. The party is over and they're sending the kids home.
>>54029703Im pretty good hope you are well friend
>the last tweet the CEO made before her bank went to zeroHow do I profit from feminism? Go short on every company with a female CEO?
i live under rock, is something actually happening or can i go back under my rock?
>>54029812Go short on the ETF ticker SHE. Yes... its real...
>>54029841main st rekt in 2008, tech st rekt yesterday
>>54029812lmao
>>54029771Also, demographics. Boomers are aging into retirement, taking their capital with them. Gen X, the smallest generation in recent history, is now of the age where they're investing for retirement and they don't have nearly as much aggregate capital as the boomers did at that age. Capital and thus VC is more expensive now than it was 10 years ago. Add that to the fed hikes and yeah. Live by the bubble, die by the bubble. Be it crypto, tech, whatever. Used cars is most likely the next bubble to pop. New cars after that. Lot of sub-prime defaults about to happen in automobile financing.
It's over for USDC lmao
>>54025368Roblox kept their money deposited at Silicon Valley BankOOF
>>54029786
>>54029862so a bank went insolvent? how does this affect tech specifically?
>>54023757Keep in mind that /biz/ is chock full of literal Down-Syndrome-tier retards. For example:>>54008513
>>54029812>CIO, not CEOstill funny, possibly even more so
>>54028492Roku is the only company that makes a decent UI for smart TVs so this kinda sucks.
>>54023757I don't have alot of money, around 40k in my bank. It's a small credit union, is it safe to keep money in there? Or should i open an account with something bigger like bank of America?
kek, have fun swapping whatever you need to
>>54029812Capital for feminism comes mostly from local banks and credit unions. When the Wiccan polycule goes into the Forrest to start an apothecary (lavender soap company) that's where they get their small business loans from. If you want to profit off of feminism, the best you can do is buy shares in their competitors. P&G has better economies of scale than the Wiccans and will always outsell them.
>>54029898$3 billion in exposure, as of a story posted 11 minutes ago:https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/stablecoin-firm-circle-reveals-3-3-billion-exposure-to-silicon-valley-bank-1.1894066
>>54026676Signature Bank. I know multiple companies yanking all of their deposits right now. Everyone is bailing.
>>54029812
>>54029954Go to Bing News and read an article you illiterate retard. This is The Big Story right now. Everybody's writing about it. You god damn child.
>>54029812She was CIO of Boston Private, which was recently acquired by SVB. She had nothing to do with SVB's retarded decisions on its commercial bank assets.>in be4 hope she sees this
>>54029992Circle CircleDot DotNow you have a cooties shot
>>54030027i have a parental filter to block everything except 4chan, just tell me what's happening bros
>>54025534>What have you people done? Who pissed off the AI that controls the markets?If its anything like the 1987 stock market crash (look it up) then the trading algorithms tripped itself up (again, look it up, the stock market really broke itself in 1987).This is the world we live in.
AAAAHHHHH I HATE THE TOURISTS LEAVEEEEEE NOWWWWWWW
>>54024080>Sooner or later it all comes crushing down (crushing down)>Crushing down (crushing down)>When everyone's around>I bet you would've paid up or you'll cash down (you'll cash down)>And not make a sound (to make a sound)>Everyone knows nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6frJ5IEA2Q
>>54029979If you have a balance smaller than $250,000 in an FDIC insured bank or credit union then you will be safe.
>>54030064either bad things or good things depending on how you look at it
>>54024020no no the normies want there money so they will vote for whoever turns the printer on the fastest
>>54030076This is the best thread this shit board has ever had. Go back to your shit coin pyramid scheme thread.
>>54024217nogs everwgere nogs, but white men managed to do 1920x
>>54029727Shut up child molester, actual people are talking.
>>54030172This is me by the way and I'm also trans.
I'm posting in a sticky.
>>54030193Just goes to show the power of panic.
>>54023757WHERE ARE YOU INSURED FAGGOTS RIGHT NOW? Hahahahahahaha told you and you fucjs didnt listen
>>54029898$43 billion circulating supply, 3.5 billion operating cash lost to SVB collapse. (likely all their money).get out of usdc now if you have any.
>>54030161Fuck you, retarded /pol/ niggers are EVERYWHERE right now telling me how banking akshually works
>>54023757posting in epic bread, welcome to GFC2
>who's there?
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/silicon-valley-bank-customers-scramble-to-meet-payroll-pay-bills.html>SVB was started in 1983 and, according to its written history, was conceived by co-founders Bill Biggerstaff and Robert Medearis over a poker game.The official history of this company alleges that it was founded by "Bill Biggerstaff". It was literally founded on a guy making a dick joke. no wonder it folded.
>>54030129Yes, actually. The $SVB collapse may result in a liquidity crunch, making it even harder for the average person to finance the cost of staying alive. Beer and liquor are still cheap though. A fifth of vodka, a twelve pack of beer, and a month of Disney+ are still roughly $12 each. People will be too distracted to revolt for the foreseeable future.
>>54025947>I keeps my cash under my bed. And the rest of my wealth in gold, silver, crypto and shitty cars. >aigmi?Unironically, yes probably.
>>54025424but the bank your money land up in will fail before you can withdraw to cashget x mill profit in tradeing account. That bank fails your fucked.transfer the money to your local bank, it failistry to withdraw x mill good luck.Buy some property taxed to obilvion
>>54026368>where's Yellen?
>>54023857/n/ here, worried I wont be able to afford my dream gravel bike and will have to become a disgusting trainfag.
>>54030193Here's the chart of USDC from 2019 to present :/
>>54023839Who are these strange men? Can I get a quick rundown?
>>5402566stable coins can only ever be rugged, as the are a representation of something else and so will always delink
Whats the rub on SVB? I have unironically never heard of them before today.And what the fuck is this market cap chart?
>>54025956>only 1000 posts>he's this new to 4chanYOU JUST GOT PUNKED!
>>54030375Turns out they were the 16th largest bank in the US.
>>54030085You know they raided the FDIC insurance fund in 2008 right? Do you think they are really reserving that money just for deposit insurance lol? They will spend that money to bailout their buddies.Deposit insurance is a fairy tale.
>>54026718Based
>Can't stop inflation without breaking a few piggy banks Jack!
When’s the last time /biz/ got a sticky?
>>54023757All I want is for Americans to suffer as much as possible, so this is good news to me.
Tomorrow is the 15 year anniversary of "Bear Stearns is fine."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUkbdjetlY8
>>54030085FDIC has funds to cover roughly .5% of insured deposits. If there is ever a massive systemic issue the FDIC insurance will mean nothing
>>54030441We're coming for you next motherfuckerName your country and I'll explain five different ways it'll collapse before we even see a blip in white america
>>54030434FTX ponzi collapse?When the thieving scammer Samuel Bankman-Fried robbed billions?
>>54030451>if
>>5403043469k dump?
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK0.94 NOW>0.94 NOW0.94 NOW>0.94 NOW0.94 NOW>0.94 NOW0.94 NOW>0.94 NOW
>>54030494y ur chart so dif than mine i show 98
>>54030395If that were true, it would definitely be concerning and we'd be looking at a pretty wild cataclysm in the event of a financial collapse. However, I don't think this is a financial collapse. I think this is going to be a recession contained only to high-risk capital-dependant industries like tech and biotech. It started with crypto and it's moving down the chain. Watch the automotive market next, and then the real estate market.
Do any of you find it strange this all went down on the eve of spring break?
>>54030516Because it literally just flashcrashed, and your shit tool/site is behind
can someone explain to me what happen to michael burry's account
>>54030536Interesting point. Think they want people undistracted with school for maximum panic?
>>54024080https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PAzqBUNlCs
>>54023857/pol/ reporting in, who needs some pervitin redpills?
>>540264828/10 good pasta. Very tasty.
>>54030537Why the fuck anyone would still have own crypto after FTX boggle the mind
>>54030258>BiggerstaffBest last name in history.
I’ve got 50k bet that they’re bailed out, don’t let me down biden
>>54030537gimme timeframe and zoom out
>>54024643wait till the year 3000 profit?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
how likely is this to domino up into something comparable if not worse relative to 2008
I am so fuckedI don't have a job. Should I IMMEDIATELY get one or keep try to get clients as a starting copywriter?I think I'm about to fuck my life up.I don't want to be part of the usual wagie life, but also don't want to receive gibs
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, LET IT ALL CRASH AND BURRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
>>54023857/pw/ reporting in
>>54030613LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOORLET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>54030553Opposite, people are traveling and drinking rn. No eyes on the news. They want those accounts full for the bail in
>>54030622Very fucking likelyCS delays their reports, which means the numbers have to be so fucking wrecked, that they are not ready to disclose them to the public yet.https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/credit-suisse-delays-publication-annual-report-following-sec-call-2023-03-09/If one of the biggest banks of the world is going to drop, then everybody is going to drop.
>>54030687priced out, bailed in
>>54030622Modern Economic policy is unsustainable in the long term anyways, it was always going to be something.
>>54030613AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>5403062269% chance
HOW TO SHORT USDC 100X LEVERAGED?????
>>54030539He nuked it after posting his last tweet>>54026528
>>54030740Again? Fuck sake.
>>54030703>>54030712i'm readytwo dollars and forty cents or so in the bank bois 'ere we go
>>54025490>/knah go suck a dick
>>54030622the next economic collapse will make 08 look like a joke
>>54023799At last, janny is in shape.
>>54030589Where do I bet on shit like this?
>>54030766Literally who the fuck would buy these dog shit stocks? LOLThe bear lives, death to all you clowns lol
>>54030462Sweden. You don't have to convince me of anything since I already know we're going down the shitter.I'm just happy that the people of the most evil and degenerate country in history will suffer immensely from their own corruption and incompetence.
>>54026528>qrd on EnronFuck I’m old
This is what we were waiting for. Banks have so many hidden skeletons in the closet
>>54027088>Yeah bro, let us know when you start paying for things with gold shavingsWe will be there soon and others have already been there for a while.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-20/venezuelans-break-off-flakes-of-gold-to-pay-for-meals-haircuts
>>54026085BITCONNEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
So what do I do bros? Am I supposed to just take out all the cash in my bank account? Isn't the cash going to be worth less anyway after they poof a bunch of money into existence to bail out the banks anyway? Is there any winning in this scenario?
>>54030816If you said a balkan shithole or some shitskin country I would have roasted you.But I completely accept the consequences of what my own dogshit country had committed. Though I'll say that if Sweden was less cucked, it and Norway could have made it out of this alive.
>>54024063the music changed key
>>54030848The only decent way to make out of this scenario is having hard assets such as precious metals or property. It will hold your wealth, and when things calm down you can buy back into the market in good times.
>>54030589THEY CAN'T BE BAILED OUT
Posting in this historic sticky to remind you to get a suicide stack of XRP and place a bet on global enslavement, you know just in case...
>>54030848Signs are pointing toward business as usual for most people. Unless you work for or do business with a small-medium sized tech company, then you won't be affected financially
>>54030913how is chainlink doing?
>>54030938heck if i know
>>54030494>crypto fags btfo once morewill they ever learn? The chosen people aren't going to let you play your own games without their rigged rule set being the default
>>54030913How heavy are those bags
>>54030938>down 10 fucking percentDumps when everything else pumpsDumps harder when everything else dumps
>>54030936LOL
Unbanned just in time to shill for Pawswap and KTO.Look them up, same team that got Shib rolling so hard on both of them.Also Kek. Charts have been interesting tonight.
>>54030913
Buy Peng lol
>>54031001hard to tell when you're floating in an ocean of liquidity, bitch
>>54030649OP Wrestling Faggotry
>>54023857/mjg/ reporting in
How could this possibly be worse than Corona?
LOL
>>54031137Flu’s didn collapse banking and expose their dogshit balancesheets to everyone.
>>54031137Because it's the first domino piece of several that will inevitably break the whole system
>>54023857It's been years since I saw one of this
>>54027703>I should go to churchWe all should. Jesus Christ is all we really have.I hate the antichrist btw if that matters.
>>54031137It doesn't help that all this is happening after Corona, rather than before it.
>>54031015 I too see the humour in people unironically trying to bank run their Top 5 chequing accounts over the SVB situation
>>54031155Haven't seen that one in a while
If you know how to get out, then fucking what are you waiting for
FUCK USDCBUDDY LOOK AT THE TETHER COMPUTERAND LOOK AT THE DAI COMPUTER
So the bank took in a shit ton of money. Got the majority of that money tied up in bonds and then when JP Morgan Chase advised very large accounts to move their assets to them then the bank didn't have enough cash for those massive transactions.Doesn't this just mean that JP Morgan Chase fucked over a whole bunch of people? And it's perfectly legal to instigate something like this?
I'm an idiot for not selling stocks this morning when everything was up. It will take months to recover, maybe more
told you
>>54031341>monthshahahahahahaha
>>54031235yeah im sure you have nothing to worry about if you have your money in a normal fucking bank, but there will be carnage on monday
SOME1 POST THE UGLY QUEER WHORE ROASTIE RISK MANAGMENT FAGGOT WHORE WHO LOOKS LIKE AN ABSOLUTE WASTE OF AIR
They were testing the bail-in weren’t they
>>54031355Checked, whatever happens, don't lose your way
>>54031380I'm not a betting man, but...
>>54031362Since Ubisoft is a french company they will bounce back soon enough, r-right? I know they have some california office locations but surely these events won't impact their stock's financials... haha
Bump. Fuck jannies.
>>54029703HENLO
>>54030841Venezuela has already dollarized its economy. They're fine - thanks to the U.S.
Last time we got Margin Call, and to a lesser extent The Big Short. Hope we get some good finance disaster movies out of this one.Occupy wallstreet round 2 is gonna be really gay though, zoomies protest like a bunch of queers.
>>54031445based retard
>>54031472>Venezuela has already dollarized its economy.Proofs?
>>54023757TOTAL JEWISH MONEY CHANGER ANNIHILATION
>>54031380>They were testing the bail-in weren’t theyYes.
I was going to kill myself, but now I'm going to wait so I can watch everyone suffer.
>>54030562>/pol/ reporting in, who needs some pervitin redpills?UR BERVATIN ID FUR EMERDENGIES ONLY BRIVADE! :DDD
>>54031599your picture should be le crabby face
Well I'm broke as hell anyways, so none of this matters to me.Maybe a few puts on Roku and the Blox
>only 1000 repliesBiz is dead
>>54031281No they outed themselves. Tied up their money in junk bonds, couldn’t cover costs so had to sell at a huge loss. Jamie dimon simply pointed out the obvious, had nothing to do with the bank run
>>54031712anon... you were too soon...
>>54024016Shoo shoo stinky goblin
>>54023857nobody's mentioned /trv/ yet.gonna take all gains to a nice vacation when everyone has negative dollars?
>>54031735>junk bondsCan ya explain more here? How do you lose a ton of money on fucking bonds? These aren't high-risk loans like what went down in 2008.
>>54023799This fat nigga bending spacetime
>>54028878>>54029918It was 5% of their cash
>>54031928Raising rates made those bonds non-competitive with literally any other option for prospective buyers to choose from which makes it harder, if not impossible, to offload those bonds in a timely manner when you need to raise money to accomodate withdrawal requests that you're suddenly being slammed with, courtesy of some of your biggest clients and then the rest of them, too.
>>54023757NO!IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME! NOT HIM!!!
>>54031928Junk bonds might not be the best way to put it, but think of it like this. They had all that money in bonds, which guarantees a certain percentage payout when it matures. Bond rates have gone up significantly since svb bought theirs. So think about it, why would anyone buy your bonds that are only paying out 2% when you can get one at 5%? Therefore, they must sell those bonds at a heavy discount (loss) because they aren’t worth much compared to the current going rate
>>54031928>Buy bonds during ZIRP>ZIRP ends>FFR and thus T rate goes up>Low interest corporate paper worthless on open market
>>54030359>Rothschilds bow to Bogdanoffs>In contact with aliens>Possess psychic-like abilities>Control france with an iron but fair fist>Own castles & banks globally>Direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line>Will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Bogdangrad will be be the first city)>Own 99% of DNA editing research facilities on Earth>First designer babies will in all likelihood be Bogdanoff babies>both brothers said to have 215+ IQ, such intelligence on Earth has only existed deep in Tibetan monasteries & Area 51>Ancient Indian scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them>They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world>You likely have Bogdabots inside you right now>The Bogdanoffs are in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church. Who do you think set up the meeting between the pope & the Orthodox high command (First meeting between the two organisations in over 1000 years) and arranged the Orthodox leader's first trip to Antarctica in history literally a few days later to the Bogdanoff bunker in Wilkes land?>They learned fluent French in under a week>Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the twins. There's no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Bogdanoff>The twins are about 7 decades old, from the space-time reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society>In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe. We don't know their ultimate plans yet. We hope they're benevolent beings.
it has begun
So regional commercial bank has no risk right? I would only be fucked if my employer has exposure to investment bank run? And also everyone here would be under the Fdic limit anyways
>>54031990So then it circles back to my original question in how a competitor bank is able to legally instigate a massive run as it did.
>>54032050
>>54032067Truth is not a malicious act no matter how you try to twist itYou're looking for an angle where da joos did it but this aint it.Fault lies with SVB and SVB only
>>54032067Chase didn’t instigate the run SVB was fucked either way. Jamie Dimon (the chase guy) just pointed out what everyone already knew. SVB outed themselves on Wednesday
>>54031928Essentially too-big-to-fail mentality & quantitative easing mean absolute idiots get billions upon billions of dollars to spend with no accountability or consequences. They simply retire to their mansions after leaving treasury and society at large holding the flaming disaster. 'Not my problem'. They leeched all the money they needed long ago anyways. The specifics is that they went in on billions in government bonds at a 1.6 interest rate and then found nobody would buy them once the government issued new bonds at far higher and more valuable interest rates. Their only option was to sell them for pennies on the dollar and become bankrupt.
>>54023857/VIP/fag reporting in
>>54024866>>54027829based mlpchads
>>54032067Honest answer? The rules are selectively enforced when it comes to what constitues influencing the markets with public discourse. It's to the point that normal people on TikTok feel the need to preface financial discussions with psuedo-legal disclaimers, but incidents like this are just considered par for the course in the high stakes world of financial brinksmanship. It's gross.
>>54031928Through skill issue. This was pretty basic stuff. An anon from biz would manage better https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/interestraterisk.asp
>>54032104>pennies on the dollarLike what, 95/100? 90/100? 85/100?I still can't fathom how they could have 200 billion in capital and not be able to pay 50 billion or whatever it was.
is it happening?
>>54031928When you buy a bond at a low interest rate and interest rates go up, that equates to losing money due to the market value of the bond dropping.In reality the implication arrow works the other way around, the effective yield of a bond is computed from its price. Price is determined at the midpoint of buyers and sellers.To simplify it, they effectively put a ton of money into 3-4 year debt at, say, $95 and they'd get $100 per note back in 3-4 years. Now the notes are only worth $80 each due to the money printer turning off and their effective rate on the debt market is higher. For 2 years the Fed was printing money to buy up bonds and keep interest rates low. That ended.They are made whole if they hold the notes to maturity, but they needed cash today. So it's tech bro holocaust now.
>>54032153I think it was more like 40 cents on the dollar. They lost a shit ton of money
>>54032153They could, it was a minor short fall, but investing houses of their large clients coordinated a bank run. I don't think it's schizo wall street engineering a Lehman to get QE but big firms saving their funds with the added upside of potential helicopter money later.
>>54032138one of you /biz/fags better sell framed copies of this and the other ones at mare fair, we'll eat that shit up
>>54031262>>54031272Looking at these two, it's almost as though SVB is going to play the "AIG" role this time.2008 Crash:> everyone took wild bets, over-leveraged, and took/made bad loans and deals> they did it because they had insurance, which protected them from loss> winds up everyone had insurance through the same company, AIG> when things went south, AIG quickly went insolvent, which meant that everyone who had sold their risk to AIG were now back on the hook for every shitty loan they conned someone into taking.As it's starting to look here...> so-called stable coins seen as a "safe" shelter to pause while trading shitcoin> everyone uses stable-coin as their digital store of wealth> the coin itself is mostly derivative, with the value held by constantly changing/moving bundles of all of the coins in the crypto market> everyone buys it because SOMEONE has to have the real money somewhere.> now we find that the place that had it went poofI'm not enough of a crypto person to know how it's all set up, but there are situations where it's impossible for the stable coin algorithm to keep up; where it winds up buying increasingly worthless assets until there is no more money.It also probably screws with trader algorithms; which foolishly assumed that there was such thing as a legitimately stable digital coin.
>>54032169yes the thread only has 1000 replies, biz is officially dead
Since this fucking with stable coins I guess my ETH and XMR are going to be worthless soon
i'm stupid, will this affect other countries?
>>54032240Im selling all my ETH at 1500 this weekend
>>54023757>>54023857/v/edditor and /biz/lurker herepostin inna sticky icky
>>54032285Only positively because the fed might be forced to pivot soon
>>54032285yes
>>54032198So, to make a very simplified example to see if I'm understanding this correctly.A) Bank buys fuck ton of bonds with the goal of getting $1.05 for every dollar spent in 10 years.B) Interest rate goes up, now new bonds are guaranteeing $1.10 for every dollar spent in 10 yearsC) Bank is forced to sell its guaranteed $1.05 for 50 cents because the new bonds give a slightly higher return.I guess my question is, why would it be such a sharp drop? Sure I could see it selling for maybe 5-10% less, but why the hell would it be 50% loss if the guaranteed $1.05 is still there?
>>54023857/lit/ reading the situation
>>54024134I hate monkeys so much, look at its cheeky lil cunt face.
>>54024217
2008 ALL OVER AGAIN
>>54032323Yeah, crash is a good thing, my job is recession proof and low interest rates mean I can get a better deal on a car.
>>54032339The guaranteed 1.05 is still there, but now it’s competing with a gurenteed 1.10. You see? Why buy the 1.05 instead of the 1.1 unless you can get it at a discount. Time was not on their side
>>54032339The yield on the bonds they had to sell was less than inflation.
>>54024359the topic isnt le epic crypto
>>54032416I understand the situation, I was trying to explain to someone else. Wrong anon?As I said they're made whole if they hold to maturity. But they had hours when they needed years.If you have to sell right this very second, you get market price on your bonds / debt instruments. And that dropped quite a lot in tandem with market interest rates rising.
>>54032426I agree. again I understand the situation. They had a bunch of debt that the bought at the very top at under 2% yield. Now market rates are north of 4-5% so kaboom.Did I really word it that horribly? I was giving a basic example to someone else about how rising bond yields cause a loss.
>>54032339>why would it be such a sharp drop?Because the market is illiquid. There is no buyer for US bonds other than the fed. Would you buy their 1.05 off of them?
Please someone advice me, is it safe to hold WBTC on ethereum network and BTCB on BSC network?
>>54032448Basically yeah. They got gouged because they needed it asap
>>54032473Would I pay 80 cents to get $1.05 in a few years? Easily. I'm not saying that I don't get why a discount is needed. I'm just baffled why the discount was so fucking huge.
>>54032339customers withdraw their deposits and force SVB to liquidate holdings at a loss so customers can put funds in bonds which yield more interest and more securely. Leveraged positions make things worse for SVB.
>>54024577>Tony Stewart baked beansbased
>>54032483oh fuck you weren't replying to me. my bad anon
>>54024126>"The biggest wealth transfer in history."
Fuck USDC, Safest stable is probably MTR. Meter-io stablecoin value is pegged to the global average cost of electricity. MTRG governance token supply is only 40 million
>>54032516>Would I pay 80 cents to get $1.05 in a few years? Easily.Why?You could use that 80 cents to buy 1.10 bonds directly from the government
>>54032516Like he said, no buyers. They are trying to offload billions in a day. That’s why the sharp drop. They called up some guy trying to sell these bonds and he said fuck no unless you give me 40 cents on the dollar. They can’t sell this stuff on robinhood
Buy GME, save yourselves.
>>54032570Because it would cost me 1 dollar to get that 1.10 from the government anon. Whereas to get 1.05 it would cost me 80 cents.
>>54032516Yields are subject to compound interest and thus the difference between a 1.6% and 3.6% yield is exponential. Also there's enough high-yield bonds to satisfy market demand so you literally have to match the profitability of these exponentially higher yielding bonds by discounting to incite someone to buy your now unattractive bond.
>>54032617Except the interest rates differential is huge. 1.6% vs 4% currently
>>5402689110x worse
>>54024643God damn /ck/ be leaking all over the place
>>54024908Also, they make damn sure they're not liable for much. So they pay wealth tax on fuck all
>>54032652Actually nvm an anon on /pol/ said it wasn't bonds but MBSAnd i had to double check this but holy shit these retards were majorly in MBS not UST.Also its literally yet annoda 2008. How come you fall for the same shut twice
>>54024600If you work for a startup in silicon valley you should be worried. If you work with a startup that is located in silicon valley you should be worried. If you work with a company that works with a company that is located in silicon valley then you can be kind of worried otherwise no you should not be worried. 200B is nothing when it comes to global finance.
>>54032733But the mbs are still fine according to their cash flow, it was literally just fund managers yelling Fire and causing a bank run that killed it.
Anyone who comes here from /a/ should be instantly banned
>rapid rise in interest rates destroys the value of existing bond reserves, driving small/regional financial institutions to ruinisn't this exactly what happened in the 80's S&L crisis or am I retarded
1/10 SVBThe lesson might be that there are some industries that are bad to bank. Imagine that it was 2021, and someone was like “do you want to start the Bank of Crypto? What about the Bank of Venture-Backed Tech Startups?” You’d be tempted, right? Those industries had so much money! They seemed cool. If you were their bank — if you were the specialized bank that exclusively focused on those industries — influencers on Twitter would tweet nice things about you, and you’d get invited to fancy parties. Also, as their bank, you’d probably find a way to get a cut of growing industries with lots of potential. Provide banking services to tech startups, get warrants in those startups, get rich when they go public. Provide banking services to crypto exchanges, start some sort of blockchain-based payment network, get rich through the magic of saying “blockchain” a lot. But the structure of being the Bank of Crypto or Startups was a bit rickety. Traditionally, the way a bank works is that it takes deposits from people who have money, and makes loans to people who need money. The weird problem with focusing exclusively on crypto or startups in 2021 is that they had too much money. If you were the Bank of Startups, the main service that you provided to startups is that equity investors would give them a truck full of cash and they’d deposit it at your bank. Here is how SVB Financial Group, the holding company of Silicon Valley Bank, describes the vibe of 2021 and 2022 in its Form 10-K two weeks ago:>Much of the recent deposit growth was driven by our clients across all segments obtaining liquidity through liquidity events, such as IPOs, secondary offerings, SPAC fundraising, venture capital investments, acquisitions and other fundraising activities—which during 2021 and early 2022 were at notably high levels.People kept flinging money at SVB’s customers, and they kept depositing it at SVB. Perfectly reasonable banking service
>>540329072/10But the customers didn’t need loans, in part because equity investors kept giving them trucks full of cash and in part because young tech startups tend not to have the fixed assets or recurring cash flows that make for good corporate borrowers. [1] Oh, there is some tech-industry-adjacent lending you can do. [2] Tech founders want to buy houses, and you can give them mortgages. Venture capital and private equity funds want to manage liquidity and/or juice their reported return rates by paying for investments with borrowed money rather than drawing from their limited partners, so you can get into the capital-call-line-of-credit business. There are vineyards near Silicon Valley and you can develop an expertise in vineyard financing. And, sure, some of your tech-company customers do need to borrow money, and are creditworthy, and you lend them money and that works out. But there is a basic imbalance. Customer money keeps coming in, as deposits, but it doesn’t go out, as loans.So you have all this customer cash, and you need to do something with it. Keeping it in, like, Fed reserves, or Treasury bills, in 2021, was not a great choice; that stuff paid basically no interest, and you want to make money. So you’d buy longer-dated, but also very safe, securities, things like Treasury bonds and agency mortgage-backed securities. We talked yesterday about how this worked out at Silvergate Capital Corp., the actual Bank of Crypto. And as of the end of 2022, Silicon Valley Bank, the actual Bank of Startups, had about $74 billion of loans and about $120 billion of investment securities.
can i finally buy property in SF
>>540329153/10Crudely stereotyping, in traditional banking, you take deposits and make loans. In the Bank of Startups, in 2021, you take deposits and mostly buy bonds. Again crudely stereotyping, corporate loans often have floating interest rates and shorter terms, while bonds have fixed interest rates and longer terms. None of this is completely true — there are fixed-rate corporate loans and floating-rate bonds, traditional banking tends to involve making lots of loans (like mortgages) with long-term fixed rates, you can do swaps, etc. — but it is a useful crude stereotype. [3]Or, to put it in different crude terms, in traditional banking, you make your money in part by taking credit risk: You get to know your customers, you try to get good at knowing which of them will be able to pay back loans, and then you make loans to those good customers. In the Bank of Startups, in 2021, you couldn’t really make money by taking credit risk: Your customers just didn’t need enough credit to give you the credit risk that you needed to make money on all those deposits. So you had to make your money by taking interest-rate risk: Instead of making loans to risky corporate borrowers, you bought long-term bonds backed by the US government.
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>>540329334/10Crudely stereotyping, in traditional banking, you take deposits and make loans. In the Bank of Startups, in 2021, you take deposits and mostly buy bonds. Again crudely stereotyping, corporate loans often have floating interest rates and shorter terms, while bonds have fixed interest rates and longer terms. None of this is completely true — there are fixed-rate corporate loans and floating-rate bonds, traditional banking tends to involve making lots of loans (like mortgages) with long-term fixed rates, you can do swaps, etc. — but it is a useful crude stereotype. [3]Or, to put it in different crude terms, in traditional banking, you make your money in part by taking credit risk: You get to know your customers, you try to get good at knowing which of them will be able to pay back loans, and then you make loans to those good customers. In the Bank of Startups, in 2021, you couldn’t really make money by taking credit risk: Your customers just didn’t need enough credit to give you the credit risk that you needed to make money on all those deposits. So you had to make your money by taking interest-rate risk: Instead of making loans to risky corporate borrowers, you bought long-term bonds backed by the US government.
>>54032918ewww why would you want to?
>>540329465/10The result of this is that, as the Bank of Startups, you were unusually exposed to interest-rate risk. Most banks, when interest rates go up, have to pay more interest on deposits, but get paid more interest on their loans, and end up profiting from rising interest rates. But you, as the Bank of Startups, own a lot of long-duration bonds, and their market value goes down as rates go up. Every bank has some mix of this — every bank borrows short to lend long; that’s what banking is — but many banks end up a bit more balanced than the Bank of Startups. At the Financial Times, Robert Armstrong writes:>Few other banks have as much of their assets locked up in fixed-rate securities as SVB, rather than in floating-rate loans. Securities are 56 per cent of SVB’s assets. At Fifth Third, the figure is 25 per cent; at Bank of America, it is 28 per cent. >For most banks higher rates, in and of themselves, are good news. They help the asset side of the balance sheet more than they hurt the liability side. … SVB is the opposite: higher rates hurt it on the liability side more than they help it on the asset side. As Oppenheimer bank analyst Chris Kotowski sums up, SVB is “a liability-sensitive outlier in a generally asset-sensitive world”.
>>54032946Nobody wants to read this shit. The tldr is that the money train has stopped and anyone over exposed to tech is going to get crushed
https://www.bankrate.com/banking/list-of-failed-banks/
>>540329656/10But there is another, subtler, more dangerous exposure to interest rates: You are the Bank of Startups, and startups are a low-interest-rate phenomenon. When interest rates are low everywhere, a dollar in 20 years is about as good as a dollar today, so a startup whose business model is “we will lose money for a decade building artificial intelligence, and then rake in lots of money in the far future” sounds pretty good. When interest rates are higher, a dollar today is better than a dollar tomorrow, so investors want cash flows. When interest rates were low for a long time, and suddenly become high, all the money that was rushing to your customers is suddenly cut off. Your clients who were “obtaining liquidity through liquidity events, such as IPOs, secondary offerings, SPAC fundraising, venture capital investments, acquisitions and other fundraising activities” stop doing that. Your customers keep taking money out of the bank to pay rent and salaries, but they stop depositing new money. This is all even more true of crypto — I mean, the Fed raised rates once and the entire crypto industry vanished? [4] — but it is not not true of startups. But if some charismatic tech founder had come to you in 2021 and said “I am going to revolutionize the world via [artificial intelligence][robot taxis][flying taxis][space taxis][blockchain],” it might have felt unnatural to reply “nah but what if the Fed raises rates by 0.25%?” This was an industry with a radical vision for the future of humanity, not a bet on interest rates. Turns out it was a bet on interest rates though.
>>54032957at the rate it's going probably not worth itbut hey maybe this could be the housing crash everyone was waiting for
>>54032978so don't read it nigga, that's how you got where you are today.
>>540329917/10Here’s Bloomberg’s Katie Greifeld:>Silvergate and SVB “in fact are victims of the same phenomenon as Fed tightening extinguishes froth from those parts of the economy with the most excess — and it’s hard to find more excess than in crypto and tech startups,” said Adam Crisafulli of Vital Knowledge.And my Bloomberg Opinion colleague Paul Davies:>Both crypto and venture capital booms were children of the ultra-low rates of the past decade and a half. Now, rising rates and the shrinking of the Federal Reserve’s balance sheet have burst those industry bubbles and increased the competition among banks for funding. And so if you were the Bank of Startups, just like if you were the Bank of Crypto, it turned out that you had made a huge concentrated bet on interest rates. Your customers were flush with cash, so they gave you all that cash, but they didn’t need loans so you invested all that cash in longer-dated fixed-income securities, which lost value when rates went up. But also, when rates went up, your customers all got smoked, because it turned out that they were creatures of low interest rates, and in a higher-interest-rate environment they didn’t have money anymore. So they withdrew their deposits, so you had to sell those securities at a loss to pay them back. Now you have lost money and look financially shaky, so customers get spooked and withdraw more money, so you sell more securities, so you book more losses, oops oops oops. [5]
>>540330468/10As Armstrong puts it, SVB had “a double sensitivity to higher interest rates. On the asset side of the balance sheet, higher rates decrease the value of those long-term debt securities. On the liability side, higher rates mean less money shoved at tech, and as such, a lower supply of cheap deposit funding.”Also, I am sorry to be rude, but there is another reason that it is maybe not great to be the Bank of Startups, which is that nobody on Earth is more of a herd animal than Silicon Valley venture capitalists. What you want, as a bank, is a certain amount of diversity among your depositors. If some depositors get spooked and take their money out, and other depositors evaluate your balance sheet and decide things are fine and keep their money in, and lots more depositors keep their money in because they simply don’t pay attention to banking news, then you have a shot at muddling through your problems.
Basado
>>540330569/10But if all of your depositors are startups with the same handful of venture capitalists on their boards, and all those venture capitalists are competing with each other to Add Value and Be Influencers and Do The Current Thing by calling all their portfolio companies to say “hey, did you hear, everyone’s taking money out of Silicon Valley Bank, you should too,” then all of your depositors will take their money out at the same time. In fact, Bloomberg reported yesterday:>Unease is spreading across the financial world as concerns about the stability of Silicon Valley Bank prompt prominent venture capitalists including Peter Thiel’s Founders Fund to advise startups to withdraw their money. …>Founders Fund asked its portfolio companies to move their money out of SVB, according to a person familiar with the matter who asked not to be identified discussing private information. Coatue Management, Union Square Ventures and Founder Collective also advised startups to pull cash, people with knowledge of the matter said. Canaan, another major VC firm, told firms it invested in to remove funds on an as-needed basis, according to another person.>SVB Financial Group Chief Executive Officer Greg Becker held a conference call on Thursday advising clients of SVB-owned Silicon Valley Bank to “stay calm” amid concern about the bank’s financial position, according to a person familiar with the matter.>Becker held the roughly 10-minute call with investors at about 11:30 a.m. San Francisco time. He asked the bank’s clients, including venture capital investors, to support the bank the way it has supported its customers over the past 40 years, the person said.
>>5403309110/10Nah, man, you don’t get to be a successful venture capitalist by taking a long view or investing in relationships or being contrarian. I’m sorry, I’m sorry, this is unfair. Of course they were right — Silicon Valley Bank did collapse, and if you got your money out early that was good for you — but that is largely self-fulfilling; if all the VCs hadn’t decided all at once to pull their money, SVB probably would not have collapsed. [6]But it did:>Silicon Valley Bank collapsed into Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. receivership on Friday, after its long-established customer base of tech startups grew worried and yanked deposits. >The California Department of Financial Protection and