/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.53743923]

someone told me this.
>if you enjoy programming then do it, but your competing with so many other people. if you want financial freedom, learn sales,marketing,and other business skills.

is he right?

[Anonymous No.53743990]

>>53743923
Programming as a job won't exist by the end of this decade. The tech industry is going to be one of the first to be fully replaced by AI. Sales/marketing/finance is going to be second after it. If you want an AI-proof career find something that will be impossible for computers to automate during your lifetime. I quit my programming job and I'm training to be a pilot right now.

[Anonymous No.53744005]

>>53743923
No, thats retarded, you can check boxes and "push pencils" in tech just like the boomers did in their jobs
>>53743990
This retard googles ai too much and doesnt actually understand it

[Anonymous No.53744009]

>>53743923
yeah good call because there is little competition in sales marketing and other businesses. you're both retarded

[Anonymous No.53744019]

>>53743990

>Learn something that can't be replaced by AI
>Becomes Pilot

LUL

[Anonymous No.53744053]

>>53743990
Did you learn in your pilot class by yet that planes are fully automated since the 80s and you're literally only there for liability reasons?

[Anonymous No.53744063]

>>53744005
AI can already competently write software and it's only going to get exponentially better at it from here on out. If you don't see the writing on the wall you're a retard and you're going to be left holding the bag and unemployed on the street in a few years. Right now is a pivotal moment in history to start looking at what's coming because things are going to change real fast.

>>53744019
The transportation industry is not going to be automated in our lifetimes, with the exception of maybe trains. There is no way anyone will ever want to step on a plane that doesn't have a human at the controls. Same with trucking. If you don't want to learn to fly you can drive trucks and still make a decent living with job security for life. Self driving cars/trucks aren't going to happen because that's the one thing AI can't really do and probably never will be. It's going to automate all the bullshit office jobs that people have but it's never going to be capable of real time mission critical tasks that require human instinct and intuition to perform well.

[Anonymous No.53744071]

>>53743923
yes
t. can program and still poor because i hate shilling

[Anonymous No.53744081]

>>53744053
Planes aren't anywhere near automated and training to be a pilot is rigorous hard work that takes years to master and over a thousand hours of experience before you can even work for an airline.

[Anonymous No.53744102]

OP here.
I forgot to mention he is a "wealthy" person I saw on a forum.
SO he may be a larp but he seems like a legit wealthy person just by how he writes. and how many times he posted.
Also has high reputation on the forum.

He basically told me that because I was self teaching myself python and right away gave me that advice.At first i thought he was bullshitting but nowadays it seems to be a ton of people learning coding/software engineering.

[Anonymous No.53744154]

>>53744102
>but nowadays it seems to be a ton of people learning coding/software engineering.
yea literally all my family members under 18 want to be "coders" and my cousin is about to start a bootcamp because her undergrad degree was pointless

[Anonymous No.53744158]

I do think programming is kind of a meme job. It is at this point in time an extremely well paid trade job. I am not saying people that do it are dumb or are not smart for realizing they can make a lot of money doing something, but just like fixing a pipe or building a house it's a kind of 'do what you're told' type situation. Having broad-based skills in business, finance, etc. I believe is always 'more employable' even if it's not as well paid since those skills are very transferable, always in demand, and really don't change that rapidly over time.

[Anonymous No.53744190]

>>53743990

You weren't a programmer, you were a codemonkey.

Programmers spend 20% of their time coding.

Thanks for outing yourself as someone lesser. You are not a programmer, you are a frontend faggot.

[Anonymous No.53744218]

>>53743923
>but your competing with so many other people.
even the most shit coders get to stay at companies once they get in.

[Anonymous No.53744230]

>>53743923
do PT or plumber. something that can not be done remotly from pajeetland

[Anonymous No.53744234]

>>53744190
>Programmers spend 20% of their time coding.
yep
work 2 hours out of 8 the rest is meetings and other stuff

[Anonymous No.53744301]

>>53743923
If you're good at sales you can unironically make shitloads of money. My dad came from a dirt poor farm family, didn't go to college, but got into insurance sales and now owns a small financial services business. He & my mom just moved into a beautiful lakefront home they finished building last year and he just bought a vacation home in a highly sought after warmer climate zone. This is all in addition to paying for my sisters 4 year degree at a top uni (and if I had to guess, he probably helped her out for a number of years when she was fresh out of uni and moved to a large city) and paying for my college diploma. We also had very nice family vacations growing up (we spent an entire month in europe once hopping around to different rental houses & nice hotels). My parents also lease new cars every few years.
He refers to himself as the "wal mart greeter" of the business because he's great at meeting people and making connections and figuring out what their needs are, but 90% of the actual work on the policies and what have you is done by the other members of his team. He tells me that when he first started in sales it was a shitty call center and he was terrible at it, he was cold calling and would constantly stutter on the phone while reading from his sales script, etc etc.
Unfortunately I am far too autistic to be succesful in sales, but i've still learned a lot from him over the years.

tl;dr: yes if you are good at networking & sales you can make outrageous amounts of money

[Anonymous No.53744341]

I've been an analyst for 14 years and now I manage a team of analysts. On a technical level, I'm still smarter than all of them. I made it boys. I escaped the rat race!

[Anonymous No.53744356]

>>53744301

theyre boomers, totally irrelevant. not the same world. boomers are buying lake homes after being shoe salesmen unironically. you cant reproduce it these days

[Anonymous No.53744368]

>>53743990
tech industry will also be the first to adapt to this technology so again, tech nerds win.

[Anonymous No.53744388]

>>53744356
Nah, good salespeople will always make money. Most companies will still need sales people, even if they've got their landing page click funnels and blah blah blah.

[Anonymous No.53744524]

>>53743990
I actually want to become a pilot but I'm worried this job will disappear as well
I'm too dumb to program and I don't want to be at a computer screen the rest of my life
I love seeing the world from up high

[Anonymous No.53744556]

>>53743990
Idiot.

>>53743923
yes. The people who are good in the industry do it all the time. They miss nights and weekends on the reg to learn more about programming and math and they have been doing it since age 16.

If you don't love it, you are probably capped at 120k.

[Anonymous No.53744664]

>>53744063
Anti-AI copers are absolutely delusional. It's pretty funny seeing shit tier artists lose their minds over the fact that nobody needs to commission them ever again. Entry level programmers are absolutely in trouble too although they have a bit of time to plan out their next steps or gain enough experience to avoid being on the chopping block.

It really makes me wonder how industries might be reshaped a decade from now. Seems like we're witnessing what the boomers witnessed once consumer computers first arrived. The safest bets for zoomers might be trades and regulated professions like engineers and architects.

[Anonymous No.53744954]

>>53744063
>>53744664

Whenever you see posts like these it’s so blatantly obvious they know absolutely nothing about software, let alone neural networks. Stick to your wheelhouse of cleaning toilets or collecting welfare.

[Anonymous No.53744983]

>>53744954
Your fear of the uncertain future is obvious.

[Anonymous No.53745123]

>>53744954
I agree, I don’t think they understand the current complexity of systems.

GPT create and host a fault tolerant messaging system between multiple critical systems.

[Anonymous No.53747223]

>>53744301
what posessed you to write a blogpost about your boomer parents? like what went through ur mind at the time u got to the place where the third paragraph should be started and you decided to continue and finish and hit post?

[Anonymous No.53747300]

>>53743923
Competition exists in fields where the job is braindead and you just need the most "credentialed" person to convince others you'll do a good job. I.e. Sales, Marketing, Business.

Competition doesn't exist in tech. There's a dearth of engineers who can actually do a good job. There always will be.

1. Supply side undersupply: The lack of engineers who can do a good job will persist because it's innately hard. It takes years of education and experience with self learning to get good at software engineering. Not only that, it takes good moral character, intelligence, and hard work. The floor on acceptable IQ for the job is pretty high, so most people will never be able to do it.

2 Demand will never cease: There will always be this greater demand for good engineers. There are so many places where software is needed and will be needed that are lacking engineers who can just build it. The world will only ever be more reliant on software due to its power of scalability, correctness, automation, and low cost. AI will not write meaningfully new software. There will always be someone who translates from what the business/customer needs to what the machine needs to do. This has become more abstract with time, increasing the productivity of engineers. The person who translates business requirements to machine instructions is the engineer. They will exist and be needed in some form no matter how abstract the tooling gets from 1's and 0's to general prompting and linking.

[Anonymous No.53747333]

>>53744053
I mean that technically means he's right and he'll always have a job as a pilot even if he's technically just paid to sit there and watch the ai do it.

[Anonymous No.53747347]

>>53744063
AI cannot write software on anywhere near the level it was able to fly planes 15 years ago. what are you talking about.

there has not been a single piece of self-directed AI software written that is useful to anyone yet. so far it basically functions as a way to google through stackoverflow/github.. do you really not understand that? are you really a programmer or were you lying?

[Anonymous No.53747355]

>>53744063
>There is no way anyone will ever want to step on a plane that doesn't have a human at the controls.

I will if it's cheaper, also planes run 80% autopilots, the start and landing could technically be automated, in the end it will become a semi automatic system, where remote pilots dial in before the landing, and start.

It's just like it is with programmer's, they will be needed, but in lower quantities.
First they axe co-pilots, then the pilot becomes remote, and eventually fully autonomous.

[Anonymous No.53747357]

>>53743990
>t. 5'5 asian cuck fudding programming (as a programmer)

[Anonymous No.53749799]

>>53747347
>so far it basically functions as a way to google through stackoverflow/github
This is literally what 99% of modern programming is. I know because I did it for 10 years. If the AI can automatically do that then why do they need you? Trust me, there will be very very few programming jobs left by the end of this decade. Almost everybody who is in this industry will be unemployed.

>>53747355
Most people aren't going to be ok with risking their lives getting on a plane with nobody at the controls. If the aviation industry tries to force something like that people will just drive everywhere instead and the airlines will go bankrupt. That's why it will never happen. AI simply can't and never will be able to do tasks that require human intuition and split second decisions.

[Anonymous No.53750881]

>>53749799
>dude just drive from sidney to rome

[Anonymous No.53750899]

>>53743923
that goes for anything. Learn a hard skill and learn soft/business skills. you have to be multi skilled and diverse to excel in this world.

[Anonymous No.53750916]

>>53744063
>The transportation industry is not going to be automated in our lifetimes
Ok dumb fuck. This is where your gay LARP fell apart

[Anonymous No.53750942]

>>53743990
>you still need the programmers to maintain build the ai retard

[Anonymous No.53750948]

It's the exact opposite. Good programmers are rare. Meanwhile every talentless idiot in the world floods into sales/marketing/business.

This is the comfiest gig in the world as the bare minimum somehow puts you in the upper half of programmers

[Anonymous No.53750967]

>>53750942
>newfag tries to greentext

[Anonymous No.53750966]

>>53743990
>choose career you think won’t be automated
>pilot

The IQ of some anons

[Anonymous No.53750978]

>>53747357
This. Fuck these chinks. They are trying to gatekeep it, so you need to pay them large amounts of money to do some small thing

[Anonymous No.53751013]

>>53750966
Guess some of them don't really think and live their lives on auto pilot

[Anonymous No.53751083]

>>53743990
AI cannot program anything worthwhile and if you think it can its only proof you cannot code yourself.

[Anonymous No.53751097]

>>53750881
why the fuck do you need to get to rome from sydney? also it's not only about your faggot trip

[Heh No.53751107]

>>53750978
Nobody is gatekeeping coding bro
My friend is a recruiter at a bank HQ in my city and she told me that as soon as a SWE job listing goes out she gets a MINIMUM of 300 applications before the day is even over, they usally have to close the application by the next day while they spend the next couple MONTHS interviewing and etc.

Mind you, more than HALF of those 300 are people who can't code for shit because they went to a 60 day bootcamp and have to be filtered out. And a third of them are those with college degrees but cheated their way to the end and can't even explain a simple array sorting algo.

[Anonymous No.53751118]

>>53747355
a pilot's salary is nowhere near the operating cost of the airplane and the total cost for passengers/flight, lmfao@ur retarded life

[Anonymous No.53751131]

>>53750916
these "news" appear every year and guess what, they shut that shit down because it doesn't work

[Anonymous No.53751168]

>>53743923
You have to read between the lines what he is really telling you:
> I don't think you're smart or dedicated enough to become a good programmer. But you can probably figure out sales and be good at it

[Anonymous No.53751240]

>>53751107
larp

[Anonymous No.53752042]

>>53749799
>This is literally what 99% of modern programming is.
That’s what codemonkeying is. Actual software development will involve solving problems you can’t find online, and as such the AI will have absolutely zero clue how to do it.
As an aside, we already have tooling that can take business requirements and translate them to code the computer can run. They’re called “compilers” and “linkers”

[Anonymous No.53752562]

>>53751131
Cope and Seethe, tardo. The tech is already being used

>In April 2022, Chinese companies Baidu and Pony.ai received permits to deploy robotaxis without humans in the driver seat on open roads within a 23 square mile area in the Beijing Economic-Technological Development Area, and it was the first time in their home country

https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/27/baidu-pony-ai-win-first-driverless-robotaxi-permits-in-china/

[Anonymous No.53753414]

>>53744063
true