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[Anonymous No.53402778]

You do not get rewarded for "working hard", like these boomers who were handed everything in life would like to suggest.

Go ahead, go work hard to pay their social security, to live paycheck to paycheck while your boss is richer than ever. He'll be in his Florida vacation Home while your working hard, stupid zoomers.

[Anonymous No.53403450]

>>53402778
”Oh anon you shouldn’t invest your money! That’s risky! Just put 10% of your money in a 401k and you’ll be a millionaire by the time you’re 65!” - My brain dead grandmother who still has to work when she’s 80 because she supposedly can’t afford her $1000 a month condo on Social Security.

[Anonymous No.53403496]

>>53402778
>You do not get rewarded for "working hard"
of course not. you get rewarded by creating something of economic value for somebody else. pushing a boulder in a circle is hard work but doesn't create anything of economic value

[Anonymous No.53403518]

>>53403450
How the fuck can you be a boomer and still have to work?
You could've bought a house 30 years ago and be set for life.
Why are boomers like this?

[Anonymous No.53403585]

>>53403518
They're genuinely retarded and the ones who aren't broke still don't realize that it's because they were handed everything.

[Anonymous No.53403618]

>>53403518
No fucking idea
All my Gen X parents and older family have retire when they’re 65 and travel the globe but I can’t count how many old boomers are stuck still working
Grandma still has to work probably because she wasted 45 years of her life dropping her CMA paychecks on cocaine and alcohol

[Anonymous No.53403628]

>>53402778
If you made a clone of me, with him working half as hard as me, who do you think would be more successful?

Just because the context in which we live in is shittier than the ones boomers grew up in doesnt mean you shouldnt work hard

[Anonymous No.53403737]

>>53403628
i worked hard at my last job. i was there for 2.5 years. they refused to promote me so i quit for a promotion and a $30k/year raise. hard work is for retards.

[Anonymous No.53403867]

>>53403628
The clone.

[Anonymous No.53403952]

>>53403737
Not every job rewards hard work the same. Certain careers reward it more than others. Working at an amazon warehouse for example wont benefit you very much if you work hard. But working as a consultant, lawyer, or any other merit based and performance based profession rewards it greatly.
>t. consultant

[Anonymous No.53404162]

>>53402778
This thread wreaks of job site idleness. This economy is over

[Anonymous No.53404199]

>>53403952
>But working as a consultant, lawyer, or any other merit based and performance based profession rewards it greatly.

you could have just said "professional services firm." and merit based returns stop once you reach senior manager -- if you don't have the backing of several partners, you'll never make partner. at best you'll be given the non-equity director cope prize. at worst you'll be forced out.

fwiw i'm an accountant. i worked at big 4 briefly, so i know what you mean. but that sort of environment isn't applicable to 99% of jobs. if you had more waging experience you would understand this.

[Anonymous No.53404271]

>>53404199
Nigga I've literally worked in customer service where i slacked it and slept at work all the time. I've worked at a truck assembly factory. I know what im talking about.
The thing is even at those types of jobs hard work is rewarded, there just arent as many promotional jobs compared to amount of workers
And you dont have to become a partner for hard work to be considered "paid off". do you really think every boomer was a partner of some kind?

[Anonymous No.53404328]

>>53404271
>According to an analysis of the data by Bloomberg, the biggest beneficiaries are job hoppers in the information industry who realized 9.7% annual wage growth, construction workers with an 8.7% increase and professional and business services with an 8.3% premium. Those who stayed at their companies earned about a 4% increase in pay. On average, those who choose to switch jobs enjoyed compensation growth of 5.3%. The only large groups that suffered from falling wages—when changing jobs—were in the leisure and hospitality sectors. Small businesses are suffering, as they are not able to financially compete with salaries offered by their bigger adversaries in the war for talent.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2019/07/26/a-new-study-concludes-that-it-literally-pays-to-switch-jobs-right-now/?sh=4d2dca9c5959

in my experience, and in the aggregate experiences of the above study, there is no long term benefit in being a hard worker and sticking around the same place for years on end. doing the bare minimum, exaggerating on resume, and job hopping is the path toward higher wages. your experiences are definitely rare.

[Anonymous No.53404355]

>>53403628
The clone is a cooler guy than you. He's hitting the industry networking events and getting himself a powerful network, while you grind writing lines of code for some boomer luddite due for his first of 5 holidays abroad this year.

[Anonymous No.53404369]

>>53404328
When did I saw hard work means staying at the same company?
When I say hard work I mean being efficient with your time at work, producing value for your clients and customers, making others around you more productive. Being that type of a worker will for sure pay off, you will have a higher chance of promotions, be able to negotiate higher salaries, find more avenus for new opportunities within your industry. You must be confused to be posting this as a reply to me

[Anonymous No.53404384]

>>53404369
>hen I say hard work I mean being efficient with your time at work, producing value for your clients and customers, making others around you more productive.
anon how old are you and how many years have you been a consultant?

[Anonymous No.53404409]

>>53404384
32, 7 years

[Anonymous No.53404449]

>>53404409
we're on a similar playing field insofar as age. you've never once observed open positions being filled by off the street hires, despite numerous potential internal promotions? you've never once discussed how merit supplemental wages are allocated -- at the department level, and then among the team, at your manager's discretion (i.e. how much he likes you)? you've never once seen idiots make partner because they're deal closers rather than hard workers or technical geniuses?

[Anonymous No.53404477]

>>53404449
You keep talking about it in a personal way. So what if I have? I am only talking statistically here. It is impossible to control for literally every factor in the real world. You observe some new hire got a job you could have been promoted to and your first instinct is that hard work doesnt pay off? Surely not anon...

[Anonymous No.53404532]

I'm a zoomer with a college degree and I have no job opportunities or useful family / friend connections. I'm trying to get into accounting by getting an advanced degree at a prestigious state school but studying is draining and I keep getting rejected for internships despite my high gpa.

I feel like I'll never break into white collar work at this point, should I quit school and just use my degree to be a warehouse manager at amazon or something?

My program advertises good job placements but I'm starting to think thats marketing bullshit

[Anonymous No.53405567]

Job hopper bros... we won

[Anonymous No.53405668]

>>53403518
Some of them did things right, but they medical problems, couldn't work, and the medical bills piled up. This happened to both my parents and my mother had run her own small business before things went bad.
But it goes to show in our fucked up system that you can work hard, have money put away, and then be financially ruined trying to simply stay alive.

[Anonymous No.53405697]

>>53403518
>How the fuck can you be a boomer and still have to work?
>You could have bought a bitcoin 30 years ago and be set for life
t. 2040

[Anonymous No.53405997]

>>53403518
not all boomers are that lucky, for example my parents: always dreamed of having a house to leave as an inheritance to their children.
but here I am living in an apartment and so are they, both paying rent while I make an extra effort to keep my hamachi finance rewards, think that only at my 25yo did I start to see the prices, I was more busy studying like a retard instead of doing real business

[Anonymous No.53406630]

>>53405697
>buying a house with 2-4 years salary is the same thing as buying obscure internet drug currency and not getting hacked/losing your key

>>53405567
kek

[Anonymous No.53406667]

>>53404162
>wreaks
Cringe

[Anonymous No.53406914]

>>53402778
If you work hard for your boss in todays society you are a fucking retard. There is no other way of putting it.
You won’t be appreciated
You won’t be promoted
You won’t get a pay rise
You will be expected to do more and more
You will face repercussions if you push back

It’s a game of fuck you I’m doing what the fuck I want and you will need to watch me 24:7 to stop me. And even then I know you don’t have the balls to start a confrontation so we’ll just keep playing chicken until you man up or fire me.

Either way my pay check is the same.

Oh and I did a decade of being taken advantage of before I realised so fuck off redditors and Andrew Tate faggots

[Anonymous No.53407071]

>>53405697
I will be saying this all the time unironically by then

[Anonymous No.53408116]

>>53404369

You cannot easily control how much you receive, only how much you contribute. Therefore, becoming more efficient literally means putting in less.

You aren't rewarded by sticking around, and future companies have no way of confirming just how hard you worked at your previous employer. Therefore, it is in your interest to do less and reserve more of your time and energy on your physical health and appearance. You enter future job interviews with the same resume entries as the hard worker, but appear more lively, healthy, and fresh. You simply appear to be a superior being capable of exerting greater effort without it taking a toll on your appearance or energy.

I will admit, you're still correct. The optimal play is to do these things while gaslighting yourself into thinking you're working hard. Makes the illusion that much stronger.

[Anonymous No.53409763]

>>53405567
I need one for engineers
(software “engineering” doesn’t count)

[Anonymous No.53409803]

>>53402778
i have a coworker proud to work hard. yes sure boss i can do it on the weekend. i just dump all the work on him and he is happy because he think he will have a promotion before me.

[Anonymous No.53410335]

>>53408116
>waiting for equity to vest before I job hop
>by the time it vests (50% in first year) I will have earned more equity
How do you escape the golden handcuffs?

[Anonymous No.53411239]

>>53410335
I also have this problem. I have almost half my original shares but they trickled in a total of 10x the original share count. and I’m afraid if I leave, I’ll kill myself in 20 years