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>> No.53374777

Daily reminder that finance and economics are pseudoscientific make believe garbage and capitalism is inherently unstable, exploitative and unsustainable with a built in expiration date. Ever escalating recessions, poverty, debt, wealth inequality, monopolies, disease, pollution, exploitation, slavery, conflict and wars are fundamental, necessary and intended principles of it, NOT glitches. Greed, selfishness, lying, cheating, stealing, competition, conflict, slavery and war are behaviors highly encouraged and incentivized under capitalism. It is LITERALLY cancer and i dont mean it metaphorically, i mean it literally, it shares the exact same functions and principles as a cancer cell.

The freer the market the more enslaved everything and everyone else is and the more blood sacrifices need to be performed to "the Line god". An economy needs to be as regulated and planned as possible to serve the living beings needs and desires and be able to be adjusted according to our needs at any given moment/period. finance and stock markets are incompatible with life and are in direct competition

>> No.53374785
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Anime too

>> No.53374809

based trips of truth.

>> No.53374830
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Daily reminder that poopoo and peepee are poopoopeepee poop peepee and poopoopee is peepee and poopoo, peepee and poopoo with a poop pee poopoo pee. poo poopoopeepee poopoo, peepee, poop, pee, poopoopee, poopoopoopee, peepee, poopoopeepee

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not really getting the gist of what your saying at all but nice trips

>> No.53374852
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>Next time on /smg/!

>> No.53374855

GME is going to rip the next weeks, due to the OPEX option calendar

>> No.53374867
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I believe I will fomo on monday

>> No.53374875
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over and over in /smg/ I hear
>muh pivot
>muh pivot
>muh pivot
do any of you delusional mumus know what a pivot is? do you know what the market is pricing in as a pivot? it's pic related
go look at federal funds futures if you don’t believe me
please mumu, explain to /smg/ why a 0.25% rate cut in July 2023 will help Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4 earnings for 2023, and why they will help earnings for Q1 Q2 for 2024
please explain why this time there will be no 12-18 month lag in monetary policy
please explain how a 0.25% interest rate cut will immediately put money into the (extremely broke) consumers pocket, and how this will result in them immediately increasing their retail spending
don't just be dumb mimic bird and regurgitate mainstream media talking points saying
>a pivot is bullish!
>we're going to rally because the Fed is going to pivot!
tell us why.
explain to us why we will rally on a 0.25% cut in July 2023
explain to us why corporate earnings will not be impacted by the recession for Q1, Q2, Q3, and Q4 2023 and Q1, Q2 2024
explain how cutting interest rates by 0.25% in July 2023 will impact these earnings
please explain how cutting interest rates by 0.25% will immediately put more money into corporate earnings
please explain how cutting rates by 0.25% in July 2023 will retroactively save Q1/Q2 earnings for 2023, especially, if you “don't believe” that "monetary policy lags 12-18 months" (it does lag..)
>pro-tip: you can't, and you've drank the propaganda kool-aid, and are repeating the narrative they want you to believe, over and over, when you don't understand anything, and cannot answer any of these simple questions
>inb4 "6 consecutive quarters of earnings misses across all sectors have been priced in!!" l o l
please mumu, genuinely try to answer these questions, I am very interested to hear your rationale (delusions)

>> No.53374887

on the house this week

1/21 Weekend Notes

• The VIX has made a series of higher lows this week. The MOVE index has not broken out despite treasuries selling off. This divergence at the precipice of bond resistance indicates that the next move in treasures will be up. Most consensus is screaming to short bonds here. CFTC positioning is record short treasuries. VVIX has been making higher lows, as well.
• Bonds have made a series of higher lows. Yields are in an organized and established downtrend. TLT is up 16% from its October lows. The SPY is up 14% in the same timeframe. The less normies are on the long bond train, the better. Consensus among retail is bonds are “dead money”, despite outperforming the SPY, with this outperformance to accelerate into worsening data.
• DXY is at the lower end of its trading range, 0.70% away from the ultimate cycle support of 101.3. May or may not get there, the DXY dropping that low could push the SPY over 400. Possible blow out top scenario. Bonds would be expected to post divergence with this move.
• High yield/junk did not follow this move. Barely up 0.25% and being down most of the day. HYG has 0.70% of upside potential left, which would form another failed top. This with a SPY move of +1.5% on Monday/Tuesday may be in the cards.
• At this point, chasing gains in the SPY is indeed bending over and grabbing pennies in front of a steam roller. The top may be 398, 400, 402, 404, but there is a top. And given the confluence of different data points/signals/variables, that top will be hit next week. The chop is noise.
• If a gratuitous gap up and go is given (over 1%) sell hedges.
• The SPY has immense resistance at 400. There is no reason for it to go beyond that level, breadthwise, tech is the last man standing in this rally. Other sectors indicate buyer exhaustion. Notable stocks hitting big resistances: GOOGL, MSFT, AAPL, TSLA. Without these stocks, there will be no continuation up.

>> No.53374892


* XLK has 2.2% upside. QQQ has 1.2% for the gap fill, and 1.9% for the next resistance.
• Bitcoin is hitting major weekly trend resistance. This coincides with a potential equity top.
• On selling call hedges, buy NVDA puts to lower cost basis. Insiders have been dumping NVDA at a rapid pace into earnings. https://www.marketbeat.com/stocks/NASDAQ/NVDA/insider-trades/ This, alongside the cyclical nature of the sector, the extremely overvalued P/E, and the retail/reddit fascination with this stock indicates that it may be the next TSLA short.

Overall, this test of “the downtrend line” definitely “feels” different. Many folks now unironically believe in the notion of a “soft landing”, a term that has always been used tongue in cheek by those with more knowledge (as if the federal reserve actually had any chance of achieving this). Many people believe inflation has been defeated, and that hikes are over. The US economy is resilient, all while unemployment scrapes century lows. Essentially, there is real sentiment that this time will be “The breakout” moment. Time after time the SPY has failed to make a real capitulatory low BECAUSE people like this were bearish. Now they’re bullish. The age-old inverse correlation between bonds and equities is being reestablished. The Dollar faces monthly support at 101.3 after weeks of decline. Yields are crashing. Redemptions are accelerating. Earnings season has begun. The stage is set.

>> No.53374901
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>do any of you delusional mumus know what a pivot is?
Why yes, I can answer that for you. You see, stocks will keep going down at least until they start going up again. We will know for sure when that happens because price changes will switch from a downward direction to an upward one. The main indicator that we can use to identify this switch is that we will start to see stock prices rising instead of falling. That will tell us when returns on stocks have begun changing from negative to positive. With positive returns, that means that stock values will be growing rather than shrinking. Thus, the prices at which stocks are bought and sold will be going up instead of going down. In fact, if a stock's price is changing, then that means it is either rising or falling.

>> No.53374908

don't care didn't read lmao melt up now

>> No.53374930

Reeee get off that piege you thugs he din do nuffin

>> No.53374933

Tragic Tuesday

>> No.53374949
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never mind, it's over

>> No.53374980
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oh shhhhhhhhhhhhit

>> No.53375020
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God is there any stock market youtubers that genually want to inform and make good strategies and not just trying to shill some shitty stock to create an artificial pump so they can sell? Every single one is clearly just trying to sucker their fans into some kind of hype about how 'this stock is about to go moooon lel any second bro trust me buy buy buy!'

>> No.53375059
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Wait a minute
isn't this no longer inverted?
Is the recession cancelled?

>> No.53375067

https://www.youtube.com/@stevenvanmetre5087 (do not buy any stock that steve mentions, or any of his services)

>> No.53375097

no it got worse since Dec 22

blue line is 1/12/22
red line is 20/1/23

>> No.53375105

It's even more deeply inverted. The yield should be higher for long dated bonds but it's completely flipped.

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>> No.53375120

He just needs to endorse a troubled bank now, has he said anything about credit suisse lately?

>> No.53375131

a lot of banks and tech

>> No.53375148

Turning 30 in a few weeks. I'm honestly hoping the market crashes harder so I can slurp now that I have a good paying job.

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> you will never be fired by Google and get a six-figure severance

>> No.53375156
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Oh shit nevermind I am dumb it is still inverted
My brain just jumped to "curve not flat = OK!! :)"
The bond market has been fucked for so long I forgot what it's supposed to look like....

>> No.53375175

>An economy needs to be as regulated and planned as possible
>Daily reminder that finance and economics are pseudoscientific make believe garbage
how do you plan something pseudoscientific?

>> No.53375199

people stopped buying short-term and started buying more even more longterm, is this a softening of the fedpivot expectations and a transition into people expecting higher rates for longer?

>> No.53375210

>good strategies
1. have income
2. just keep buying
saved you some time

>> No.53375228

1. have monies
2. make more monies

>> No.53375237

consensus trades have a habit of not working

>> No.53375246

the last 2 are scammers that know nothing about the market and only want your money

>> No.53375252
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Oh god...
I do business with some of those companies

>> No.53375283
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i think black betty is a pretty cool guy
eh destroys the market and don't afraid of anything

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you do business with anime girls, I am jelly

>> No.53375335

Him telling his viewers to buy energy at the top, while tech was being butchered was embarrassing.

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Oops, I replied to the wrong post
Oh god...
I do business with some of those companies

>> No.53375338

I wonder what kind of gigabrains trade bonds. Nobody talks about the bond market usually, because it's boring and opaque. Yet it's a gigantic market with supposed gigantic predictive power. If the market predicts well, then the people buying and selling predict well.

>> No.53375372

they will tell you anything with so much confidence that it's just distracting in my opinion

>> No.53375374
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I am once again shilling SKYT.
I have also recently been diagnosed with myocarditis, likely as a result of the booster I was forced to get for grad school.

>> No.53375396

>the vax claims another
stop shilling. Enjoy what’s left of your short life

>> No.53375427
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The thing with bonds is, it's inherently retail-unfriendly because your upside is defined and relatively low while your downside is still 100%. Not to mention the unit quantity is $1000 which makes it hard to diversify. So at the end of the day, you are putting hours of research into why it shouldn't default, but you can still get BTFO by a black swan and if you don't... enjoy your single digit return.

I do have some 3M treasuries in my port right now (which might be a mistake with the debt ceiling lol)... but unless there's really compelling yields I don't see a need to try to buy corporate debt.

>> No.53375433

>they say things with confidence and that is distracting
>not being able to think for yourself
you don't need to listen to their videos and agree with 100% of everything they're saying
you need to think for yourself
they are all helpful for staying on top of the markets
if your issue is that they speak with so much confidence that you believe them and execute a trade based solely on what some youtuber said, that's on you

>> No.53375443
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I was too based for this gay world anyways

>> No.53375452
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Its boring.
They talk about it on in the media sometimes but to get someone from a bank to go on a show is rare because you can't shill for bonds (lol) like you can for a stock.

SMG is to poor and young to be buy lots of bonds anyway.

>> No.53375485

>they are all helpful for staying on top of the markets

muh look at this chart/number ... muh look at this other number... muh other number higher
meanwhile you are just sitting there "duuuurrrr consoooom"
go fuck yourself simp

>> No.53375496
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what is this meme company I keep hearing about
You know that for old shit like 90nm+ a lot of semiconductor companies have internal fabs right? Including in the USA??
I could see a bull case for GloFo since they IPO'd but for a smallfry like this it seems their best bet is getting bought out

are you for real with the myocarditis?

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>a stock trader who had died in a trading accident
God I wish that were me

>> No.53375508

damn dude that sucks. the people who forced it at universities need to have repercussions. the shot should have been stopped as soon as there was even a chance of getting myocarditis.

>> No.53375522

zoomer, please lurk more

>> No.53375527

Water fu?

>> No.53375531
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Keep selling at the wrong times.

>> No.53375547

I don't even know what's going on at this point.

>> No.53375550

SKYT has ties to the DoD and might become a little pet project of theirs.
It really all depends on their earnings in February. Either I will be spamming threads with smug Pepes or pink wojaks.
I have a mild form of it, yes. Obviously as a result of the booster.

>> No.53375551

Pump monday
Pump tuesday
After hours market goes down like 2% because fuck you.
Down wednesday
Down thursday
Spontaneous giga pump on friday because fuck you.

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Threadly reminder that dividends are irrelevant. If you want a bit of cash from your stocks, you can sell some.

>> No.53375589

>too poor
What about that 48 year old divorcee who lives in a condo and makes youtube videos screaming about how /smg/ is retarded? Or the gookfucker?

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what's a good taboo portfolio? What am I missing here? Any good dodgy fashion names? Big data. I have a feeling the clown world portfolio will outperform this decade.
Oil n Gas, tobacco, big banks, defence companies, gold/diamond mines in Africa, palm oil, liqueur companies, coal mines, pawn brokers, paper/pulp manufacture, casinos/gambling/betting, fast food. When do bio companies bottom?

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>> No.53375657

Baggie has some money but is degenerate gambler and won't do the DD on junk bonds.

>> No.53375683

If we reach peak QT it'd make sense to buy some bonderinos because the Fed is probably overshooting and will try to prop up bonds without making it look like a pivot. Otherwise I'm more interested in utilities and gold
I guess you can be degenerate trading junk bonds?

>> No.53375709

It's impossible for /smg/ to be poor, everyone on /biz/ says they're 32 years old and making 500k TC at a silicon valley company (none of them know each other though).

>> No.53375764

uh, i'm 29 bro not an boomer yet

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V shape glide path achieved?

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Theres only a couple guys that said they make over 200k, most of the top earners are in the 100-200krange I think. There are a few of us with 6fig profiles and only like 2 over 7 figs.
I have never seen the tripfags post their profiles.

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Ah yes the DoD Made in USA requirement
If they specialize in classified & ITAR-compliant it could be viable after all.

That is rough re the shot. I had no trouble with them but Pfizer was gentler than Moderna, my mom had long covid symptoms for about a month from the 2nd MRNA dose. Hope any symptoms you have are manageable.

>> No.53375819

>I have never seen the tripfags post their profiles.
Are you saying they'd lie about having 8 figs? No, people wouldn't do that. Going on the internet and lying for e-clout. The very idea.

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I am not 30 yet so I'm not allowed to buy bonds or my broker (Female) will laugh at me.

Weird is it?

>> No.53375854

There are more than two posters with 7 fig ports. Probably closer to 10.

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>everyone on /biz/ says they're 32 years old and making 500k TC at a silicon valley
Now hold on a minute. I browse /biz/ and have made no such claims. You'd have to pay me a lot more than that to work on Big Tech spyware, especially in California.

>> No.53375867

>ties to the DoD
Go read about the history of the military's "Trusted Foundry" program. Short version is: none of the US chip manufacturers wanted to bother with it because it didn't generate enough revenue.

>> No.53375868

Wealthy people don’t post on biz because all they need to do is buy shit like SCHD and VOO.
It’s not for them. It’s for young people with somewhat decent savings to try and get enough money to dump it into VOO one day and chill.

>> No.53375871

we can't have too many more than a couple hundred regular posters in total. That doesn't sound right.

>> No.53375877

I have fren. That was before a lot of new circumstances. I admit it’s risky but it’s not stupid.

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Jpow is going to turn the printers back on. The world order can't survive with out quantitative easing.

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They dont post much then.

>> No.53375907

>Jpow is going to turn the printers back on. The world order can't survive with out quantitative easing.
in other words "they will pivot, they have to" -- you're not answering the question(s)
how will cutting rates by 0.25% in July 2023 improve earnings for the next 6 quarters, when the consumer is broke, and monetary policy lags and doesn't reflect in the economy for 12-18 months

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>the Fed is probably overshooting
I've heard this before enough times to be suspicious
Of course there are real impacts starting to be visible but for now it's in meme tech
Wish I'd beefed up my gold miner positions a little more in the post-invasion slump but I was too demoralized after ""buying the dip"" one too many times
As for bonds, I don't trust anything beyond a year or so duration regardless. Who knows what the fuck will happen right now.

>> No.53375925

Not regular posters, no. Of the daily posters I'm only aware of 2.

>> No.53375949

Don’t forget there are some Boomers here.
There might also be a Silent here with a seven-figure portfolio who only ever invested in CDs.

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Jerome doesn’t control shit and is at the whims of (((people))) far above them.
If they see the wheels starting to break they will turn off the heat enough to keep them going.
Jerome is just a mouthpiece, that’s why nobody believes him.
“Muh inflation is transitory”
He was wrong about that and he will be wrong now.

>> No.53375971

>that genually want to inform and make good strategies
why would they be on yt and not managing a fund?

>> No.53375988

>how do you plan something pseudoscientific?
you don't

>> No.53375989

Because you don’t have the (((connections)))

>> No.53376028

Stockado on yt is a pajeet who doesn't shill things.

>> No.53376033
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Because markets are forward looking? Obviously?

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>impossible for /smg/ to be poor
yeah right

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Started work on my taxes. Preliminary results are looking like I'm gonna get back an even fatter refund than last year with me owing nothing. Won't know exact number till E-Trade puts out the 1099 on the 15th though. P.S - Don't buy the red baron pizza melts at KR/WMT. Its a shat ripoff. Unless you like paying over 3 for a small slice of bread with cheese & pepperoni on it. KR also is peddling a frozen grilled cheese and ham and cheese sandwich. They're shat, but not as shat as the pizza melts. At least you get two full sized sandwiches in a box.

>> No.53376053

Holy fuck dude nobody cares about your taxes boomer anon

>> No.53376062

>stock market general
>posters a bunch of jobqueers
now I know why I hate everyone here

>> No.53376075

2/3 of his post is about pizza melts

>> No.53376098

>6 consecutive quarters of bad earnings is priced in
yeah it's forward looking, but it still responds to bad news
why do you think we dumped so hard on retail sales data - market still doesn't believe we're going into a recession and that the consumer is strong
even the "best" (laughable) mainstream economists polled put it at a 61% chance - there is still 39% cope and delusion
the market has not priced in a severe recession, as the market still doesn't even think it's going to happen
read some of the comments from CEOs at davos, they are delusional, think the consumer is very strong, and that we will not have a recession - everyone is optimistic

>> No.53376103

Why not? less you've really made it theres no reason not to.

>> No.53376112

>Because markets are forward looking
do you really believe that most people aren't just retarded?

>> No.53376120

>Why not?
>Why not?
>Why not?
>Why not?

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Didn't realize you're a retarded, i withdraw my (You).

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Should have gone with NESN the Stouffer's pizza was just over $3 for two slices at my store on sale. It's still kind of a ripoff for what it is but it's convenient.

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>> No.53376228

Buy gold and utilities?

>> No.53376240

For me it is Jack's

>> No.53376282

utilities will outperform in the recession
I don't know about gold - that's more mixed could go either way
I believe the relative strength of the dollar will not continue to get crushed - everyone and their grandmother has accepted "the dollar is going lower" narrative it seems like
I also think the terminal rate is moving higher, which will move the dollar up higher
I also see big sale of stocks and bonds, which will push up demand for dollars relative to these assets
but, if the dollar continues to get crushed, then gold is a good long trade too
I just think that the mainstream view of dollar crush is wrong

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If you don't see why this is a problem then you're not paying attention or you just have no interest in your own survival or that of others. This is for everyone's benefit, if you don't agree then you should just go kill yourself so you can stop being a burden on society.

Every single human being alive has the right to live a happy fulfilling life without having to work more than they need to survive and without having to worry about money. We all deserve to be free from the tyranny of the capitalist system. The time for change is now!

A lot of people seem to find it hard to accept that capitalism is inherently exploitative and unsustainable because it has always existed before. Sure there were periods of high growth but this was only due to external factors like war, colonialism, slavery, resource extraction, mass deforestation, population explosions, etc... These things simply made it look like capitalism was working. In reality it was actually destroying the environment faster than ever before and making humanity less sustainable while enriching a few at the cost of the many.

It's also very easy to forget that the foundation of capitalism is the exploitation of labor. Our ancestors had to work hard to get their hands on food, clothing and shelter which was a luxury for most. They had to work long hours for low wages and the employer could do whatever they wanted with them as long as they kept producing. The more productive they were the more they were paid and the more they were exploited. This is still true today. People who are considered to be "unproductive" are not valued and are treated as disposable. You are either an asset (human capital) or a liability depending on how much profit can be extracted from you.

Labor exploitation is not limited to factory workers.

#EndCapitalism #EndSystemicInjustice #EndFascism #EndOppression

>> No.53376314

you dumb schizo bear

>> No.53376329

Socialism only works in white or Asian societies.
Sorry tranny.

>> No.53376356

Well for me gold is nice to have as a real hard asset. In my view there's three scenarios for our debt based fiat system where interest+principal means the debt burden is constantly growing, sucking out wealth, and burdening the people:
1. The Fed pulls off a controlled demolition of the zombie companies and a slow wave of bankruptcy actually relieves the chronic debt burden. Congress pays down debt (delevers). Long term this would be great for the dollar economy and it is obviously deflationary at first. But I have no idea if they can do it.
2. The demolition is not controlled, there's credit collapse and massive debt deflation and Great Depression 2.0
3. The Fed does a massive pivot, signalling to the market that the Fed will *always* bail you out, causing everyone to engorge themselves on debt- now you get hyperinflation.

I want to own an asset that is independent of this debt based ponzi game, in case scenario 1 (debt relief via bankruptcy) does not work out

>> No.53376392

5% to 10% of your networth should be in pm’s if you’re schizo like me

>> No.53376394

I shouldn't call it a ponzi, it's not really that. But basing a currency on debt with interest is kinda scary desu. And we seem to be at some kind of inflection point

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>Socialism only works in-
Socialism doesn't work at all
The only societies in which it appears to work are the ones where the USA is footing the defense bill
Everywhere else it results in resource scarcity and, eventually, poverty
The Only Good Commie Is A Dead Commie

>> No.53376433

4chan is just normalfags now.

>> No.53376434

shrieking priced in doesn't make it so
see >>53376098 a recession is not priced in

>> No.53376442

>I shouldn't call it a ponzi
you are right, the real ponzi scheme is the pension system

>> No.53376457

I think the yield curve isn't inverted enough. jpow said he's going to lower soon. 10 year should be the average of 10 years right? well they even admit they want to go back to zero as soon as possible. 3.6% is way above zero

>> No.53376468

What are we watching for movie night?
No more Boeing dramas, horror only plz.

>> No.53376471

When did he say he wants to lower?

>> No.53376532

the dollar/debt is based on "the full faith and credit of the US" which really means the tax payer, as long as people continue to use the dollar and pay taxes (growing population) it will continue

>> No.53376538

doublespeak. he says "oh its way too soon to talk about lowering" but in the next breath he'll say 2024 they'll start cutting.
but in actual history they normally will do one slow cut of 25 bps and then emergency cut to zero at the first sign of pain.
(when they have to do it that's not bullish, but does anyone really believe the average interest rate will be over 3.6% for the next 10 years?)

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Chairman of the Board

>> No.53376557

At 5% interest rates and full refinancing, half of the federal budget would be interest repayment.

And private corpos don't have taxpayers to fleece.

>> No.53376560

>chairman of the bored

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Hard pass

>> No.53376696

Holy fuck myocarditis anon here I think I’m gonna call an ambulance jfc

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should I fap today?

>> No.53376703

That’s a book

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>> No.53376723

Probably. Not much else to do on the weekend.

>> No.53376734

What are you waiting for, call that ambulance

>> No.53376737

who is the debt owed to? who receives the interest payments? isn't most of it the public?

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take some aspirin if not larping

>> No.53376796

you say as if that was any better, if the US ever defaults their economy is fucked

>> No.53376826

I did guys the body aches
I think I’m fucked
You’re welcome for SIGa

>> No.53376834

You shouldn't fap any day
t. faps every day

>> No.53376847

All money originates as a liability to the central bank. The bank lends out the money to commercial banks, who lend it out at interest, this is how money originates. The government does not print its own money, it taxes it or indebts itself. Therefore, all money originates with (((bankers))) (sorry, couldn't resist that joke) and not really with the government. Since interest is charged on money brought into circulation, there is always more debt around than could ever be repaid, so you need inflation and ever more debt in circulation to keep the usury bearable. Yes, the system is defined by usury.

An exception is when the central bank buys gubment bonds. Since it is not allowed to make a profit, the gubment interest payments to the central bank can be returned to gubment. But this is supposed to be exceptional, QE is a recent thing

>> No.53376859

the "vaccines" were the greatest crime against the people. they must pay.

>> No.53376864

Forgot to mention, since there is more debt around than can be repaid, the system is at chronic risk of deflation, and not actually inflation. Since if systemic debt is too high the creditors have to scramble for dollars, sell off assets, kill demand, lower prices, etc. The only way to get relief from the yoke is bankruptcies

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>> No.53376891

The people who receive interest on gubment debt are just the people buying bonds, including foreigners and banks. But banks lend out to individuals and corporations, of course

>> No.53376947

I understand how money originates, what's to stop the government from just continuing to issue more treasuries? Isn't the debt money? As in if all debt was repaid, there are no more dollars?
it would never happen, if it got that bad the bond holders would still get paid the nominal amount even it was worth nothing at that point

>> No.53376965

>even it was worth nothing at that point
it would be even worse

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/g/ says it's time to buy tech stocks
are they right?

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>what's to stop the government from just continuing to issue more treasuries?
Well, the growth of treasuries you'd have to originate would be exponential, and you can't really solve the problem of being indebted by taking on more debt.

Also, at some point it becomes clear that you are intent on devaluing your own currency (assuming that you are unwilling or unable to repay your debt). This causes people to flee your bonds because they realize the nominal repayment can only be made by reducing it to worthlessness.

>As in if all debt was repaid, there are no more dollars?
Physically impossible. In this system, if a bank creates 100 dollars by lending it out, it also charges (for example) 5 dollars on the principal a year in interest. Say you've got one bank and one person, and the bank brings 100 dollar into circulation but expects 105 back, this is physically impossible. And that's just interest for a year. That's why you need to put the system into more debt to redeem existing debt.

>> No.53376997

>what's to stop the government from just continuing to issue more treasuries
1.5T dollars in deficit and 535 Keynesians in congress

>> No.53377013

What I mean with exponential growth: say you are indebted for 100 bil. usd as a government and cannot tax your way out, you'd need to take on debt + interest (say 5%) to redeem existing debt, well now you're just more indebted, and every time you repeat this, you add 1.05 to the power of X to the debt burden

>> No.53377018

Not during earnings

>> No.53377089

speculators are still net short bonds, and equities. I think this rally has legs

>> No.53377124

/g/ gives even worse advice than /biz/

>> No.53377135

Final remark: I think you're too fixated on the government. Private sector and households are just as impacted by how a debt-based currency originates, if not more, since they can't force the central bank to bail them out temporarily with more debt

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Has anyone had success managing a self-directed IRA or investing in China? I want to pull all my money out of the American market and invest in rare earths, EVs, chipmaking and other growth-oriented speculations there. In additional to Chinese 'blue chip' stocks & bonds, I suppose. What is the easiest way do to this and what are the tax implications? I would like to trade directly on PRC exchanges and have as little money going to American corporations as possible.

What is the best way to do this? What are the tax implications? Does anyone have experience here?


>> No.53377181

theyre the same community

thats why crypto and soxl is so widespread here, or at least it was

>> No.53377194

Well as a foreigner you cannot trade A class stocks. If you want 'real' stocks, I think you can get those on the Hong Kong exchange, I would advice against ADRs in America because those make a murky investment case even worse.

But idk if I'd invest in Chinese companies, the accounting is suspected to be rife with fraud, the government views you as a foreign pig, you have 0 real property rights, and if Xi sneezes wrong entire sectors get wiped out. I used to invest in Russia, another state with ADRs in the West and no real property rights, and if I'd continued to do that, most of my portfolio would've been wiped out after Ukraine.

If you want to go for rare earths, why not look at the resource stocks in Canada or Australia?

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How much money do I need to be able to request 2B as my female stock broker

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15 minutes ran up jannie. :)

>> No.53377243

if u want capital gains then just reinvest the dividends so long as u dont have to pay taxes

id rather get cash and reinvest it rather than see it wasted on esg bullshit or other failures like metaverse

>> No.53377245

What is on the screen?

>> No.53377250

/g/ is mostly made up of CS college sophomores that don’t know what they’re doing and vomit back Hacker News except with nigger occasionally thrown in
At my FAGMAN-tier dystopian globalhomo employer, everyone is expecting at least one more round of layoffs despite management claiming otherwise

>> No.53377258

/biz/ overlaps with /g/ and /pol/
/g/ overlaps with /biz/ and /a/
/pol/ overlaps with /biz/ and /gif/

>> No.53377259

Thanks for contributing to the thread in a quality way.

>> No.53377275

>you can't really solve the problem of being indebted by taking on more debt.

Isn't that what we've done the past 100 years? Why stop now? The Fed is intent on devaluing though, but only 2% per year :^) Also if all money is issued by banks, the interest you need to repay the loan was also issued by a bank so if all debt is paid, there is no money.
I guess they feel it through inflation which is what the deficit really is, an extra tax levied on everyone and future generations.

>> No.53377281

Is it rootin? Is it tootin?

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The first traders would spend months alone in the woods hunting beaver for their fur. They lived off the land and fucked native waifus. We need to get back to our roots.

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i was wall of text blogposting about how shitty the jab was when it first came out but got banned for it
at least I tried

>> No.53377389 [DELETED] 

Karl Marx JEW

The first Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party:

Krylenko Russian
Lounatcharski Russian
Ulyanov (Lenin) JEW
Bronstein (Trotsky) JEW
Apfelbaum (Zinovief) JEW
Lourie (Larine) JEW
Ouritski JEW
Volodarski JEW
Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) JEW
Smidovitch JEW
Sverdlof (Yankel) JEW
Nakhamkes (Steklof) JEW

The first Council of the People’s Commissars:

Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian
Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian
Agriculture Protian Armenian
Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian
Ulyanov (Lenin) JEW
Economic Council Lourie (Larine) JEW
Food Schlichter JEW
Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) JEW
State Control Lander JEW
State Lands Kauffman JEW
Works V. Schmidt JEW
Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) JEWess
Religions Spitzberg JEW
Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) JEW
Hygiene Anvelt JEW
Finance Isidore Goukovski JEW
Press Volodarski JEW
Elections Ouritski JEW
Justice I. Steinberg JEW
Refugees Fenigstein JEW
Refugees (assist.) Savitch JEW
Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski JEW

>> No.53377433

Unfortunately DRIP does not avoid capital gains. You get taxed solely by having the amount paid out. I felt so ripped off when I learned that last tax season.

>> No.53377440

>the interest you need to repay the loan was also issued by a bank
Nah dude, it doesn't work that way, that's why I gave the simplistic example of one bank and one person. It just scales up to the entire economy. So if the banks loan out 4 trillion in a year, they'd ask 200 billion of interest on top of the money they bring into circulation. This physically cannot be repaid- if they would loan out this amount once and then stop you would have a deflation crash in 2 or 3 years. In toto there is always more debt around than can be repaid. Normally this is not a problem, but if you blow up a debt bubble so much that you pay 1/3 of income or earnings in interest, and then face some sort of recession or inflation of prices, people start to get fucked, and the spiral begins.
>The Fed is intent on devaluing though, but only 2% per year :^)
Yeah but the interest charged on money brought into circulation is much higher than 2%, that's why debt to gdp always goes up over time until the credit cycle turns
>I guess they feel it through inflation which is what the deficit really is, an extra tax levied on everyone and future generations.
No, not just inflation, private sector debt to gdp is something like 250% in the USA. Many corporations pay out a fifth or earnings in interest, imagine if they'd have to refinance at higher rates...
>I guess they feel it through inflation
You don't necessarily get price inflation with ballooning debt, we've had ballooning debt since about 2000 but actually not that much inflation. Like I said, the fundamental risk is always deflation, and price inflation does not change the fundamental sum where a system always needs more money repaid than is around.

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>> No.53377483

>was forced to get
No anon, you bent the knee like a good little bitch when you was asked.

>> No.53377512

Thanks for the informative post. Based on my initial research, it seems like the HKSE is the most foreigner-friendly exchange so that just might be at the center of my search. They have apparently opened up broad foreign access to mainland A-Shares by partnering with the SSE, see "Shanghai-Hong Kong Stock Connect". However, I would only be starting with $5k max so I wonder how this would affect my eligibility. Might require me to depend on parties here in the U.S. for market access.

I understand various risks are involved with China but I'm willing to take them. I feel a jurisdiction and market like Hong Kong would mitigate a lot of it. It's basically a matter of principle. I don't want my retirement to profit the New World Order. I don't want to be a cash cow for Wall Street anymore.

I eventually want my IRA to be moved completely offshore because there are risks in the U.S. of such intensify and magnitude that by 2065 I don't think I'll want to live here anymore. My faith will be openly persecuted or covertly subverted. I'm going to prepare to retire abroad.

>> No.53377539

im the one that shilled SBNY originally. sorry if anyone lost money but it genuinely defies logic that this bank is still solvent let alone having positive stock growth.
im sticking to my thesis and buying more puts. i just wanted you to see im not a coward

>> No.53377540

Capitalism is the perfect system for contiuation of itself. Everyone has to work, wheel & deal for capital if they don't already have it. Some are going to make it as a function of that system. It doesn't matter who they are or where they came from, they will automatically become allies of the system because they will want to protect what they have aquired. Meanwhile the enemies of the system, those that want to tear it down, are those that have little to no capital & therefore are powerless to do anything but blog post daily on /smg/ in the hope that one day they will find a favourable ear to fall upon & thus they can feel better knowing there are others like them who didn't make it. Ultimately being of no consequence.

>> No.53377571

i just realized that the jab disproportionately injures whites more because euro people have more ACE2 receptors.

>> No.53377579

>I understand various risks are involved with China but I'm willing to take them. I feel a jurisdiction and market like Hong Kong would mitigate a lot of it.
I still dunno, anon, I had to eat a lot of shit on China. I used to say 'these guys are just capitalists painted red, they're not commies, they want stability and growth and that's it', but more and more it seems like the Chinese system has instability, arbitrariness, and a complete lack of rights at its core. High risk/high reward it does make some sense (although my opinion is: high risk, medium reward), but I'd at least diversify into countries that seem a little more stable, like India, Japan, Korea... Well, it's your choice.

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One 4 hour old /smg/ in the catlog
also the rest of the catlog are literally just bot threads.

>> No.53377604

are we bots too?

>> No.53377606

It injures mostly healthy, thin, people. Spike proteins are supposed to stay in the fat cells around the injection site. Healthy people don't have a lot of fat so the proteins end up going to the fat of the heart which cause problems.

>> No.53377633

>What is Nazi Germany
>What is Singapore
>What is France
>What is Denmark
>What is Switzerland

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>> No.53377686

When is Ukraine's next 100b aid package?

>> No.53377691

That is how it works, if there were only one bank and one person, that person could work for the bank and the money would always go in a loop originating at the bank and ending there.

>> No.53377694

If I get a brokerage account with JPM/BAC/WF can I buy bonds they lead on the secondary market? Schwab doesn't give me access to every bond.

>> No.53377698

>transitory - not permanent
He was right by that definition. It’s almost 3% down from what it was back last summer already.

>> No.53377715

Bro you should be in finance or some shit.

>> No.53377719

that was when interest rates were 0.25% and they said they didn't need to raise them to curb inflation

>> No.53377742

Or perhaps BoA

>> No.53377744

>I wonder what kind of gigabrains trade bonds
It's not really gigabrains, it's people with more info than us and the FED. FEDs data is lagging and half the time cooked, and we're obviously just ants on the ground. There's big money out there that has real time and forward data. That's why curve inversions have 100% accuracy (3m/10y).

It's not just a hedge. There is a massive problem somewhere in the global economy that nobody but a select few can see. You don't fight the central bank of the strongest nation with the worlds reserve currency unless you know something. Not a prediction, it's a warning. But I'm sure not even they know when it'll show itself. Maybe the problem is the FED itself?

>> No.53377748

Just wait for the next financial crisis and pick up quality company bonds for like 15-25% of their face value

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I know I am

>> No.53377764

It's this kind of pseudo-communist propaganda that reproduces like a cancer cell, not capitalism. Free market capitalism is about reducing the burden on workers and promoting leisure, not enslaving large swaths of the population as slaves. Karl Marxs philosophy borrows from Adam Smith to emphasize this very basic point. The LTV was borrowed from Adam Smith as well. An economy of burdensome tiresome toil and exploitation is not a capitalist economy. No economy can survive on such a tenant. Wealth, defined by Adam Smith, is the amount of leisure and luxury provided to a person. That's why marxs theory of value is derived from Smiths. Slavery is a condition of economic ignorance borrowed from feudalism. The economy is so strained today because of people's incapacity to understand the basic tenants of good economy, not because capitalism.

>> No.53377767

Yeah, diversification doesn't sound like a bad idea, but it'd have to be to independent-minded countries outside the NWO like Saudi Arabia or perhaps some of the CIS states. I think China will still be the backbone of the portfolio.

Unlike Russia, which is an oil-exporting nation with minimal FDI and almost nothing to lose, China is so interconnected with the West that any infringement upon foreigners' investments will provoke retaliatory action so destructively severe that it is a sort of economic mutually assured destruction.

Neither Western or Chinese elites can afford to decouple.

>> No.53377782

if I wanna play a rally in natural gas with stocks would it make sense to invest in fertilizer names like nutrien?

>> No.53377787

It's a pasta so I wouldn't get too worked up if I were you.

>> No.53377790

So what is the plan if the treasury mints THE COIN?

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Reminder if Bitcoin pumps then Coinbase stock pumps with it when the market opens.

And it Bitcoing starts going way down then that's time to put down a put option on Coinbase.

>> No.53377812

If it gets to that point it's over. That will open the flood gates to minting more and more trillion dollar coins.

>> No.53377845

Wtf happened on Friday? What was the news? Thinking of slurping SQQQ Monday morning depending on the answer.

>> No.53377872

pivot mumus, I am still waiting for one of you brave enough to answer these questions
>monetary policy lags 12-18 months
>how will a 0.25% interest rate cut in July 2023 boost retail sales, boost corporate profits, and be reflected in Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4 earnings for this year
please mumu
no more
>priced in!
>pivot is bullish!
please answer how a 0.25% cut will boost earnings this year when monetary policy lags - how would a pivot boost earnings this year?
where are you brave mumus

>> No.53377885

Clever because it mirrors the attitude of the general population who assume capitalism = slavery and exploitation.

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If I had the coin, could I break it for change at my local Fed branch?

>> No.53377897

spicy rycey

>> No.53377934

Fertilizer ended up not performing well due to a supply glut when the weather wasn't great. It's going to be wetter this year, which will wash away applied fertilizer, resulting in more needing to be bought. Could work out. I think MOS has a little more room to run than NTR but NTR looks a little more stable.

>> No.53377956

>I used to say 'these guys are just capitalists painted red, they're not commies, they want stability and growth and that's it

>> No.53377979

>economic mutually assured destruction

>> No.53377984

are you expecting this rally soon? im a natty gas bagholder so its good to see a post like this.

>> No.53377989

they would need to print at least 2

>> No.53377993 [DELETED] 

the reason the jewish media likes to tout "max pain" in markets is because its all fraud. the jews rob everyone nad runs investing promotions 23/7 to steal more. what ever will cause the most loss and suffering is what the jews do. the only way to not be robbed by jewish organized crime in all electronic "markets" is to never ever give them money. tell your family freinds and children the truth. All electronic investment markets exist only to rob people. All stocks and bonds are rigged by jews to rob people. fact

>> No.53378014

was it just good earning from Netflix? What pumped the markets?

>> No.53378021

It wasn't even particularly good earnings for Netflix.

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>he unironically linked maverick of wall street

he is head midwit at Bobo Industries, he will tell you to short the bottom, this lil schizo needs medication, and you do too

>> No.53378156

Govt is over 31 trillion in the hole. Read somewhere it'd take every working age person in America coughing up 100,000 in order to pay it off. Fat chance of that happening. Or you know the govt could say "we found 31 trillion extra dollars" since they control the money creation computer. But fat chance of that happening to. What will happen; debt can will get kicked down the road, more money will be wasted on dumb shat and hey as the dead line looms (June) you may get cheap stocks to bag.

>> No.53378195


Why are her tits poking out through her shirt? This seems to be inappropriate office attire

>> No.53378223

Nah, how do you think women get pay raises? A little skin showing, a few back room blowjobs and presto more money on next month's check.

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Don’t forget your weekly ice bath
Look at the gains we got yesterday from my ice baths

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This is unacceptable. Why in God's name would you let a woman wonder around the office wearing tight clothing that shows off her breasts and and fat ass? Well I never in a million years......

>> No.53378366

But Why??

>> No.53378397

...mmk. sounds like I'm opening a big SQQQ position Monday morning.

>> No.53378415

>a 0.25% rate cut in July 2023
I stopped reading right there.
There will be no rate cuts for the remainder of this decade.

>> No.53378424

To increase his adrenaline and fuck his liver up more. Part of the (((their))) plan to slowly destroy us.

>> No.53378426

what news is going to tell me what to buy on monday?

>> No.53378427

I just do cold showers

>> No.53378474

What does a still positive rate of inflation really do for you? Means the hefty price increases of the last two years still remain in the system on average... and getting worse.

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>> No.53378489

Monday is a day to sell, not to buy.

>> No.53378507
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oh my god

>> No.53378523
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Spell it out for a retard (me) please

>> No.53378558

you got news to back that claim up?

>> No.53378575

Literally no news to justify my opinion, sorry.

>> No.53378588

>There will be no rate cuts
I agree that it is going to take much longer than the market expects. but I am just trying to show mumu who believes that there will be a pivot, that even if there was this pivot that the market is pricing in / expects, it won't really do anything for 12-18 months
even if they did pivot, even if they did cut 0.25% in July 2023, it will not put money in the pockets of the consumer who is tapped out - it will not boost retail sales, it will not boost corporate earnings, it will not "save the market"

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Are we etnering, in or leaving a recession

>> No.53378618

the chart is showing that fund managers are holding less stocks than usual. bulls will claim that when everyone is leaning the same way it doesn't work out for them, and the pain trade is higher. bears will say that the fund managers are right to stay out of equities. i will claim is that if bond yields drop or are predicted to drop, lots of money coming back to stocks.

>> No.53378631

For portfolio gains

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>> No.53378689

Learn to read retard.
The graph explicitly shows that they are underweighting US equities

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two more weeks till the bobos big 1929 crash

>> No.53378706


I think that's what
>fund managers are holding less stocks than usual

>> No.53378710

yeah i know, what did i say that contradicts that?

>> No.53378727

There are stocks outside of the US, they've also been running significantly better since around October

>> No.53378744

So you are describing cancer

>> No.53378766

weird how you assume that the chart is making a point about non-US stocks holdings, which it isn't. your brain might be broken friend.

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>> No.53378783

If there were only one bank and one borrower and the bank created $100 to loan the borrower and he then owed the bank $120, he would eventually pay back $99 to the bank and the one remaining dollar, due to its scarcity, would be worth a great deal. That’s deflation. To avoid that (and to pay back the other $21 he owes) the borrower would borrow another $100 from the bank. Now he owes $121, and there are $101 in existence. That’s going to be inflation, as more money keeps getting printed than can ever be paid back (by definition) and the economy only really survives as long as you keep printing money. But of course if you print too much you inflate it’s value away and that can also cause a collapse of the system.

>> No.53378804

are those garlic cloves?

>> No.53378844

Yes, the boom in RE meant more homes being sold and now the wake of that means less homes being sold because everyone bought during the boom.

>> No.53378851

entering / are in one currently, beginning stages / second month of one - we only began to see "recession data prints" at the end of november, into december

>> No.53378863

No anon, cancer did not or has not ever made anyone wealthy, at least not until someone discovers a cure. Cancer did not lead to technological innovation the likes of which no other ages has known. All cancer ever did was mutate cells in its host & kill people, Capitalism lifted hundreds of millions from poverty. Stop with that retarded retort & educate yourself instead of being a commie sheep

>> No.53378874
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>a boom coming to an end is bullish
>a massive decrease in housing activity and all the connected industries in relation to housing is bullish
>pic related is bullish

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Lol. Big tech really is going to zero.

>> No.53378880

Well, you explained it for me.
The debt deflation part of course comes from not everyone being in debt, people needing money for other stuff, etc. So say you have 1000 usd in loans to 10 people, with 200 needed in interest. Well if some people are actually saving money, say 300 usd, that leaves 700 for paybacks. Now say everyone who is not indebted will always keep 400 on hand for food, rent, etc. So potential liquidity is now 300 usd.
If you get a debt deflation event and people start selling assets to deleverage, that sucks liquidity out of the system. In our example they need to repay 1200 in toto (already impossible) but all the liquidity that will be available is 300 usd. The higher the debt in the system is, the smaller available liquidity would be

>> No.53378896

Any risky buys for monday my frens
Got about 7k to play with

>> No.53378912

With Re-Opening of China, check out Sinopec Kantons / SPKOY - basically like China’s version of an MLP. Has a great yield paid twice yearly, but volume is slim so use limit orders. Basically the storage and pipeline arm of Sinopec.

>> No.53378916

0dte QQQ calls

>> No.53378933

GULTU … how can you not win when a security has “ultra deep” in its name?

>> No.53378948

>2x that of 2017 - when nobody was panicking about anything.
2x isn't much (lol having to type that out in stock market general)
Also isn't that what DA FED is trying to do, cool things down? Seems to be working.

>> No.53378979

No, it's ice. That's the shape my freezer makes them in for some reason, idk why

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Whens a good time to short WWE? Vince betraying ass failed to save NFL and forever ruined wrestling entertainment as a "legacy".

>> No.53378987

>2x isn't much
>a 68% cancellation rate isn't that much
peak 2008-2009 cancellation rate was ~47%, it is literally worse than 2008

>> No.53378993

How the hell do brokers read through all these boring financial reports like 10Ks, 10Qs etc? My adhd retard brain takes like an hour to digest just one of them. Are there brokers out there speed reading through these every few minutes?

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Why do bears get so schizophrenic on the weekend?

>> No.53379013

Sorry pal, your numbers just don't add up.

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Why the do zoomers always want to gamble their money to get rich quick. If you want an acutall risky buy do an earnings play on any stock that has earnings >>53374852 If you don't know how to do one look up tasty trade and research their earnings play.
Also only put aside aprox 5% of that 7k

>> No.53379046

https://archive.. ph/zRwjm
>january 12, 2023
>Historically speaking, a 68% cancellation rate is off the charts. Even during the darkest days of the 2008-era crash, the average builder cancellation rate only reached 47%.

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Insane level of cope, I kneel

>> No.53379059

Good that means the bottom is in

>> No.53379086

Unprecedented boom unprecedented bust, turning up the volume doesn't change the song, dummies, just means you leveled up that's it.

>> No.53379091

this was in a quarter that was supposed to be okay, when we were "not in a recession"
this was before we began to have horrible recession data prints - the economy has gotten worse since then, not better
the layoffs have only increased since then
this is just the beginning of the recession, not the end
Q1 earnings are going to be even worse than these Q4 earnings (which are already bad)

>> No.53379096

Uh no

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It's probably mainly caused by the mortgage rate spike so yeah

>> No.53379108

By not having ADHD

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uh yes
>department stores -6.6%
>gasoline stations -4.6%
>furniture -2.5%
in a single month

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Mumus are delusional.

>> No.53379162

Should I put $50k or $100k into SQQQ monday morning?

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>-16% down 13 months into bobos big crash

be honest lil bobo. you thought we'd be down 40% by now didnt you?

>> No.53379166

What percentage of homes are sold to RE professionals?

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it takes time - we are patient

>> No.53379219

I'm already pretty crypto rich but I wanna keep playing and cashed out only 50k.

t. 28 finfag

>> No.53379229

>uncontrolled demolition and black swan
>controlled demolition notified well ahead of time

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fair enough get into options if you want to gamble it's pretty fulfilling

>> No.53379258

I’d wait and see how it looks on Monday, this little rally may or may not be over in nasdaq just yet. maybe later in the week though

>> No.53379269

even with a "controlled demolition notified well ahead of time" you can still have a financial crisis as evidenced by UK pension blow up in the autumn of this year

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This, we are still 18% above pre chink flu levels and had higher rallies last year going into febuarary and march had like a 10% rally

>> No.53379280

> Comparing now to the global financial crisis.
Anon you must have a room temp IQ.
There is no leverage crisis, there is no liquidity crisis. We are more comparable to 1970’s inflation cycle and the decades after that was the 80’s and 90’s

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realistically speaking, how much do I need in dividend stocks or ETFs to comfortably live in Argentina?

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Let's keep thot posting to a minimum please. I finished my janny application today and I won't be tolerating Serena posting

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>> No.53379390

I put you in the smg classroom oc and this is how you treat me?
I swear this to you rocker, when I make it I'll post argentinian cunny here everyday until I die

>> No.53379405

how do i short the housing market?
thinking i can borrow someone's house, sell it to some shmuck for 300k, wait for the market to crash, buy it back for 2k and return it to the original guy
problem is, I don't know anyone who will let me borrow their house for a couple grand

>> No.53379448

do they accept dollars (or euros)?

>> No.53379471

DRV. or short AMT, CCI, PLD

>> No.53379488

>there's no leverage crisis
>there's no liquidity crisis
we literally just had a pension fund leverage / liquidity crisis in september lmao

>> No.53379501

the bank can always buy the borrower's assets
or the borrower declares bankruptcy and the bank gets his assets anyway

>> No.53379531

>has not ever made anyone wealthy, at least not until someone discovers a cure
not even the chemotherapy companies?

>> No.53379573

>Why the do zoomers always want to gamble their money to get rich quick
being stupid is a multigenerational trait

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I don't believe in cryptocurrency. I hate that these crypto peasants are all smug again.

>> No.53379639

depends on the officers you'll need to bribe

>> No.53379660

Kek, I intend to become a janny and ben literally nobody. This board needs to be restored to it's former glory

>> No.53379682

We can’t even post abstract merchants

>> No.53379702

we are all merchants here

>> No.53379752

not going to happen

>> No.53379769

Opinions on investing on VRFB's?

>> No.53379794

You'll want to bring physical euros/dollars with you. 10k is the limit to avoid declaring. There are local shops where you can convert under the table. Everyone does that, it's nothing sketchy. I'm not sure if there's any efficient way to convert larger piles of money.
Blue dollar rate is the unofficial exchange rate from USD to ARS (their pesos). Currently around 1:370.

I'm not sure about cost of living at this point, since its constantly changing.

>> No.53379839

I could see that whole week being a potential giga dump. Banks and credit companies are reporting dire shit. Charge offs are through the roof and savings are at all time lows right now.

>> No.53379926

can I bring 200 gold eagles since they have a face value of $50?

>> No.53380095

MOS is another name I'm eyeing.

>> No.53380126

No one gives a shit about U.K. pensions. The U.K. is basically an emerging market tier economy now. Only USA and China matter.

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>carrying $400k worth of valuables on your person into a South American country
sounds like a great idea anon. keep us posted.

>> No.53380180

I've decided to pursue my China investment strategy by focusing on the HKEX because it's the most foreigner-friendly. But for long-term growth I find that a lot of the ETFs they offer are jacked. China is currently an export economy, but growth isn't going to be in exports (they've peaked) but rather the domestic market as it undergoes the same transformation between 2020 — 2060 that the U.S. went between 1950 — 1990. As we know, the exports became less competitive and services plus technology and financials became the focus. The U.S. helped China become what the U.S. once was and China will help the rest of the world become what China once was with industrial development. It will become a second U.S. for the global economy and probably the main economic actor throughout the third world.

Simply have to repeat whatever was profitable between 1950 — 1990 but on the Chinese market. I'd start with domestic retailers, domestic industries important for the State, domestic package delivery companies & 'gig economy' apps as well as international beneficiaries of Chinese investment. Essentially think what people will be spending money on when they move from $12,000 to $36,000 a year on average and the State begins to become more internationally active. No need to focus on high risk 'disruptors' because we've seen this type of development before.

Free money?

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How do I invest in artificial intelligence? I want to buy some stocks before GPT-4 comes out.

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>> No.53380244

Not while Xi Pingas's hissy fits wreck the market

>> No.53380251

>No one gives a shit about U.K.
>2. London
you do not understand how interconnected the financial system is. a crisis in one country is a crisis in all, due to the fall out and exposure that all the banks have to one another.
every institution, bank, firm, is overextended, overleveraged - they did not learn any lessons from '08 crisis; we just saw a financial crisis averted by central bank intervention just 3 months ago
these risks are still there

>> No.53380788

The trading channel.

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