/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.53279688]

QUICK BUY HASBRO STOCK WHEN IT BOTTOMS OUT.

PEOPLE WILL BUY THE NEW D&D EDITION ANYWAY, BUT THIS MASSIVE PR HIT IS GONNA FUCKING TANK THEIR STOCK FIRST, SO IT'S GUARANTEED PROFIT. PRACTICALLY INSIDER TRADING.

[Anonymous No.53279706]

>>53279688
qrd?

[Anonymous No.53279721]

>>53279688
Isnt D&D cucked now?

[Anonymous No.53279737]

>>53279688
so short weekly and then wait for bottom to buy?

[Anonymous No.53279738]

D&D? more like T&T Trannies & Troons am i right bros ha

[Anonymous No.53279744]

>>53279738
Based

[Anonymous No.53279754]

>>53279688
stfu>>53279706
retarded nigger

[Anonymous No.53279758]

>>53279706
There is something called an "Open Gaming Licence [1]" which allows anyone to use/play with a somewhat pared-down version of the DnD rules, and this includes independent creators of campaigns, merch, etc. D&D's owner, Wizards of the Coast, a subsidiary of Hasbro, plans to retire OGL1 in favor of OGL2, which permits WoTC to take a ~20% royalty and provides for arbitrary cancellation of the license. WoTC will also receive an irrevocable, non-exclusive, commercial license to all 3rd party content created under the OGL2, i.e. they can resell someone's campaign for free.
The OGL1 cannot be legally revoked, thus WoTC has been trying to bully people into signing the OGL2 with a grace period that used to be one week and now has apparently been extended till summer. DnD players are apoplectic and OP's tweet shows the deflection tactic of painting people up in arms about the new license as "bullying".

[Anonymous No.53279764]

it has lost a lot of value since the mtg shit, then rebounced. If it drops again could be a good pickup.

[Anonymous No.53279770]

>>53279706
Hasbro felt they weren't profiting enough off of DnD since they don't copyright the stories and quests random autists and anons make online. Therefore, they will now start doing so. Everyone saw this as kiked and are screeching. Stocks will fall. OP recommends buying at bottom as the stock will inevitably increase once this news cycle passes. I personally wouldn't as this company has been failing for a while now and clearly do not know how to run a business.

[Anonymous No.53279782]

>>53279738
GOT EM

[Anonymous No.53279790]

>>53279758
I like your rundown better

[Anonymous No.53279798]

>>53279758
I think I've seen one company pull the bullying-card before, though I can't remember which one it was. It's probably a new tactic that's being trialed: if people are outraged about anything, just vaguely allude to mental health and claim that people are "bullying" you - "you" being a company and not a person, since the tweet was written and signed off on by someone in PR.
If they find arsenic in children's toothpaste, you can bet P&G's account will complain about bullying too.

[Anonymous No.53279800]

will Hasbro claim copyright over my erotic tabletop MLP homebrew campaigns???

[Anonymous No.53279801]

>>53279738
faggots & more faggots

[Anonymous No.53279815]

>>53279758
As someone who doesn't play D&D, I don't understand this at all. Doesn't that game just run off books, charts, and pencil and paper and dice rolls? How the fuck can they take a cut? I didn't even think people payed to play DnD

[Anonymous No.53279818]

>>53279800
they have before

[Anonymous No.53279824]

>>53279790
Thank you, anon.
I sure hope people won't start pirating all of the books, or make an offline app that just contains all the spells and stat blocks.

[Anonymous No.53279843]

>>53279818
no... not my precious anal circumference chart...

[Anonymous No.53279858]

>>53279815
Even worse than that. It’s almost entirely IP taken directly from Tolkien that they will sue you for using apparently

[Anonymous No.53279860]

Recommend me a better ttrpg than dnd

[Anonymous No.53279865]

>>53279815
WoTC owns the D&D trademark and sells mainly the books (rule books, books for DMs, books about specific campaigns) in print-form and online. They also have a few apps that contain the information in the books in digitized form (if you bought the physical books, they make you buy them again in digital form).
Independently, people come up with their own campaigns, or film themselves playing D&D and put it on Youtube, or they make 3D-printed figures.
If you're some rando, they're obviously not going to give a fuck, but if you're a small business selling D&D-adjacent content, they'll take a cut of your revenue, or, as the new license entitles them to do, outright resell your content with no royalties going to you.

[Anonymous No.53279866]

>>53279738
This.
Didn't they start rewriting all their content to be diverse and remove words like slaves and paint certain races in a better light?

[Anonymous No.53279873]

>>53279706
/tg/ is on fire about it.

So Wizards of the Coast, back in 2000 bade a document called the Open Gaming License, which was to incentivize competitors to make supplementary products for their tabletop game instead of totally competing systems by giving the community a perpetual open license to use all Dungeons and Dragons content that's not trademarked like specific characters or monsters unique to their game setting like beholders.

Hasbro, under new ex-Microsoft management, just told WotC to revise their open license to revoke that, and write a new one that says they own all writes to everything ever written under the old one or will be written under the new one, and all those 3rd party publishers own them 25% of gross royalties. The old extend, embrace, extinguish strategy.

And the entire tabletop community is INCREDIBLY mad about this, because it's like Edison clawing his way out of the grave to try and claim all forms of electric lighting as patent infringement.

And WotC is doing a HORRIBLE job at sage control, basically trying to gaslight the community about it.
Meanwhile every e-celeb in the hobby is telling people to cancel their D&D beyond subscriptions.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HjbBuZafv4c
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MeWaq6pQQW4

It's just started breaking mainstream news, the Guardian and CNBC just reported on it.

[Anonymous No.53279878]

>>53279770
do you think a buyout would be likely or a spinoff of wotc? I feel the company does look like shit but the ip is so valueable someone might pump the stock from a buyout

[Anonymous No.53279887]

The real /biz/ move is to try to launch your own /tg/ game to try to eat their marketshare now, if you're /biztg/ pilled.

[Anonymous No.53279896]

>>53279688
i dont get it, why not just
>make a game
>say its your standalong shit
>unofficially its an addon to the existing dnd board game
>never acknowledge it
>everyone in the dnd community just "knows"

bypassed this shit no problem

[Anonymous No.53279913]

>>53279815
>Doesn't that game just run off books, charts, and pencil and paper and dice rolls? How the fuck can they take a cut? I didn't even think people payed to play DnD

Technically, you're right, which is why this is the single biggest boneheaded move by Hasbro I think they could have possibly done.
People do not need them to play the game. They existed entirely on the player based good will.

BUT, if you're asking what people buy that would be affected by this, it's rule books that add content to the game like new classes or items, and pre-made adventures for dungeon masters to run.

[Anonymous No.53279929]

>>53279887
Honestly not a bad idea you can always rug pull the crowd source if it’s too hard. Also use stable diffusion for all your art. I’m too lazy and depressed but some motivated anons could probably spin something up in a week or two

[Anonymous No.53280010]

>>53279865
thanks for the explanation, I'll probably never play D&D but I do find the culture around it to be interesting. inb4 people tell me I'm missing out

[Anonymous No.53280023]

>>53279887
seems hard, you have to be smart enough to come up with an actually decent game and then also find out how to market it to what is already a niche audience

[Anonymous No.53280032]

>>53279929
>>53279887
The pivot of this would likely be marketing. Many other RPGs and even D&D-like systems (like Pathfinder or "Pozfinder", as I've read it called), but how popular each one is is a question of fashion, influencers, and word of mouth. If someone could get a large amount of D&D-related media figures on YouTube/Twitch/Twitter to shill "what D&D should have been" or whatever, popularity would explode overnight, but if not, then less than 100 people will play it.

[Anonymous No.53280040]

>>53279688

/biz/ = Chaotic Neutral

[Anonymous No.53280045]

This is classic incel. I have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody gives a flying fuck about Hasbro.

[Anonymous No.53280047]

>>53280010
>missing out
I think it's fun to play pretend for a few hours, but I think you have to be a certain kind of person to enjoy this sort of thing, so it's just not for everyone.

[Anonymous No.53280121]

>>53280010
Maybe if you like board games. Otherwise it's just a pretext for a gangbang.

[Anonymous No.53280131]

>>53279824
>I sure hope people won't start pirating all of the books, or make an offline app that just contains all the spells and stat blocks.
The community did that years ago.
5e.tools

The problem is if their new legal doc isn't struck down in a court of law, they get to take down all the free websites their competitors made that contains all their competitors content.

So for instance, when D&D made 4th edition, most of the community did not like it.
A company called Paizo that used to publish 3rd party adventures for 3rd edition decided they would take the provisions of the OGL and make their own 3rd edition knockoff with blackjack and hookers. They were so successful that WotC lost majority market share to them for a few years, because people liked 3rd edition, and Paizo was effectively releasing more content for a revised and rebalanced 3rd edition.

HOWEVER because Paizo's system "Pathfinder" was released under OGL, by law, they had to put all their actual rules text online in something called an SRD, for free. They only owned the lore and trademarks, because their game was derivative of the open content rules of 3rd edition. Think of it like a really early version of Creative Commons.

We're now at 5th edition, moving to 6th, and WotC says they can retroactively change that agreement, and Paizo has to give them 25% royalties on Pathfinder, also they own irrevocable publishing rights for Pathfinder and can shut it down for any reason at any time, and Paizo can't sue, and if they sue Paizo for non-compliance then Paizo owes WotC's legal fees.

Repeat for every 3rd party publisher in the entire hobby. Mutants & Masterminds, 13th Age, Fate Accelerated and Fudge, Gumshoe, Traveller, Starjammer, THE ENTIRE OSR COMMUNITY.
It's even down to YouTubers with Kickstarters.
They own it, you owe them, you can't touch us.

Right now there's a class action suit about it brewing, and if they win it will probably be followed up by anti-trust litigation.

[Anonymous No.53280209]

>>53280121
>pretext for a gangbang.
Damn, I'm at the wrong tables

[Anonymous No.53280267]

>>53279866
They did infact. Mostly because they kept having to deal with woke mobs on Twitter finding every little thing offensive and them trying to cover their ass.

I blame all the dangerhaired pronoun warrior tumblrinas Critical Role brought to the hobby.

[Anonymous No.53280354]

>>53279688
Why would the stock go down massively now? Didn't the news hit over a week ago?

[Anonymous No.53280436]

>>53279688
>company actively is ruining their most profitable IPs
>BUY THE STOCK
Nah wait for the BOA PT. Buy in the $40s. Not only are we going into times where everyone is going to be buying less luxury items, they're ALSO giving customers a ton of reasons to not hand over their money.

[Anonymous No.53280477]

>>53279721
Always was

[Anonymous No.53280483]

>>53280354
Because they finally responded to the leaks, and not only did they confirm the leaks were true, they made the situation worse. See vids:
>>53279873


BUT, I know D&D players, and just like Pokemon and Dexit, they'll get over it and turn right back into paypiggies. They've done it every other time and they'll do it again.

[Anonymous No.53280496]

>>53279896
Kys pedo

[Anonymous No.53280578]

>>53279815
yeah its literally just make pretend that boomers would play basically before anything close to modern co op video games existed. its extremely dumb, there is no point but to sit around and jerk off to pretend bullshit with no objective, winners, or point whatsoever. god I fucking hate DND magic the gathering is far better

[Anonymous No.53280620]

>>53280131
Can a licensing rugpull like this even be legal?

[Anonymous No.53280638]

>>53279873
wtf is a dnd beyond subscription?
they send you a monthly newsletter and maybe a drawing? wtf

[Anonymous No.53280652]

>>53280121
You watch too many movies coomer

[Anonymous No.53280682]

>>53279896
I thought he was kneeling because his imouto evolved and started simping for her
I would

[Anonymous No.53280712]

>>53280578
>magic the gathering is far better
The magic community takes bad about Hasbro just the same.
As someone who owns a dozen black lotus, I'm not happy about the 30th edition either.

Pretty sure they'll soon cut 80% of the budget on artists and the new cards will be 80% midjourney generated imagery.

[Anonymous No.53280794]

>>53280483
Honestly you sound like a nice guy, but I hope to god you're building a real life for yourself.

[Anonymous No.53280905]

>We will not be bullied
Now I just want to bully them harder! Bully victims DO NOT get to decide if they get bullied or not, get that stoicism shit outta here and back in /lit/ where it belongs.

[Anonymous No.53280948]

>>53280638
It's a website made by WotC. It contains a playstore of rules & resources, as well as a lot of fanmade content published via a Steam Workshop sort of dealie. It's got integration for a lot of apps, discord, and some virtual tabletop services (though likely not very much longer on that last one, since they're planning to turn Beyond into one)

The subscription gives you unlimited character sheet slots, let's you share products you own with friends, gain exclusive content, and access to tools that make play easier.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/

>>53280620
That is to be determined by said class action lawsuit. Technically OGL 1.0a was not "irrevocable" and only covered "authorized" use, so.... There's a case to be made.

Honestly, even if they lose the case though WotC has still won by distracting and kneecapping all their direct competitors while they're most vulnerable releasing 6th edition/OneD&D whatever they want to call it.

Until the case is settled their competitors can't sell jack shit, which will give them total control of that chunk of the market. Your options will be to play the new version of D&D playable only on their proprietary virtual table table, or play completely old-school pen and paper with books you already own, or play something completely unlike D&D maybe Vampire the Masquerade or Call of Cthulhu, or play nothing at all.

If you want something else that's d20 based or even to play an older version you liked better, too bad your only option is to adopt the new D&D system and buy them via DRM.
No more "no thanks we'll play the old system" like what happened when 4th edition came out.

[Anonymous No.53280976]

>>53279688

Can't find the tweet, was it deleted or just fake?

[Anonymous No.53281047]

>>53279758
why does this effect players? they can just imagine a world where none of this matters. checkmate hasbitch.

[Anonymous No.53281154]

>>53281047
Well for starters,
1. if they're a player of a different system, then the company that made that system can go out of business and no more content for it will ever be made. No more premade adventures, no more rules books that add more classes, more spells, more items, etc. WotC strangled them with royalty fees or forcibly shut them down, because WotC claimed that company's works actually belong to WotC.

2. If you ever wanted to sell the things you imagined, suddenly now WotC says it's actually theirs and wants a cut just because it's designed for use on their system.

3. Online resources that don't belong to WotC, calculators for building encounters, or aids for making character sheets, or randomly generating dungeon maps, or randomly generating loot from tables in the dungeon master's guide, or virtual tabletops made to play D&D because two of your players are in Australia and two in Kentucky, websites that ever contained those companies from point 1's basic rules as a reference document, they're all gonna be served C&D letters and disappear.

[Anonymous No.53281436]

>>53279815
It's probably a shot at Critical Role which became super popular in the pseudo-nerd community the last few years. They made millions and I don't think hasbro got a cut.

[Anonymous No.53281460]

>wikipedia history of hasbro
>the usual
as usual

[Anonymous No.53281497]

>>53279738
this
modern dnd is gayer than aids

[Anonymous No.53281564]

>>53279721
More so the player base is. The game is free to play. People are mad that people are paying WOTC for extra content. But anyone can make up anything for the game that's the whole point of it

[Anonymous No.53281617]

>>53281460
It’s crazy. Every corner of society bros

[SAGE No.53281677]

>>53280976
It’s probably removed by the author, or removed from search results

[Anonymous No.53281718]

>>53280976
There's a giant gap of about a week between their weird, bad non-apology and their regular corporate posting. I'm guessing they deleted their own stupid kneejerk responses.

[Anonymous No.53281951]

>>53279738

[Anonymous No.53282185]

>>53281951
Dykes and Dildoes

[Anonymous No.53282188]

>>53280638
You pay (again) for all the books you own to have a digital character sheet that will largely be ignored so they can browse the web while you're playing.

It's a bigger pain in the ass than using pen and paper. Fuck I just use the 5e tools (free) app and I can get faster rulings and info for my players.

[Anonymous No.53282207]

>>53280948
>Until the case is settled their competitors can't sell jack shit
They'd need a legal injunction. Sure they can seek it and whinge all they want but Paizo has it's own open source contract and they'd have to argue against the use of the OGL as they can't (despite their claims otherwise) revoke it for media already in existence.

[Anonymous No.53282214]

>>53279721
Oh massively, it's why third party content is a big deal.

[Anonymous No.53282218]

>>53279798
Soifiication of society. Or feminization.
You're the one in the wrong but you cry bullying. Tears. Simps come to your defense. How dare those gamergators think that sterilizing children to use their hormones to make 100 year old jews live to be 200 is wrong. You fucking bully.

[Anonymous No.53282259]

>>53279738
based
dogshit system for fags

[Anonymous No.53282275]

>>53279815
They do. There are two routes:
>DM for kids as part of an after school or birthday party entertainment deal. The pay is meh but the tips can be very nice since the demographic is wealthy parents
>DM for adults who pay better base rate than the parents but will be inexplicably worse players
>t. professional DM for kids

[Anonymous No.53282307]

>>53280620
Shouldn't be in theory, one of the writers of the OGL (who moved to Paizo) has claimed that it can't be revoked and older WotC media claims they can't. If any party is stupid enough to sign the new agreement they can be under it, but in theory WotC has no say over anyone who doesn't but can sue.

[Anonymous No.53282348]

This is why copyright shouldn't exist and trademarks should be significantly less over-reaching. We have achieved post scarcity for information sharing. It is essentially free.

[Anonymous No.53282365]

>Three Polish-Jewish brothers,[7][8][9][10] Herman, Hillel, and Henry Hassenfeld,[11] founded Hassenfeld Brothers in Providence, Rhode Island, in 1923, a company selling textile remnants.
Yeah.

[Anonymous No.53282803]

>>53279860
Mordheim if you’re 30+ or 40K if you like battling children and 20 yo’s

[Anonymous No.53282973]

>>53279738
you are right bro

[Anonymous No.53283084]

>>53279738
Obsessed

[Anonymous No.53284526]

>>53283084
ywnbarw

[Anonymous No.53284954]

>>53280121
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Anal_circumference

[Anonymous No.53285170]

>>53279887
People have tried this already. The problem is getting enough of a playerbase to make it viable. Most people want to play 5e. It's harder to find people who want to play Pathfinder, never mind something that isn't a variant of DnD.

>>53280010
It's fun, but it gets really old after awhile. You are not missing out on anything.

>>53280121
>gangbang with a bunch of hipsters or boomer nerds
I'll pass on that.

[Anonymous No.53285190]

>>53282365
Oy vey, enough nooticing you stupid goylem.
Go get your booster will ya.

[Anonymous No.53286511]

>>53281154
>oh no i cant consoooome
real players couldnt give a fuck about the merchandise. they need a dice and a map. simple as.

[Anonymous No.53287091]

>>53279688
I don't think they will. Paizo would be the one to buy up if they were a traded company.

[Anonymous No.53287422]

>killed MTG
>killed MLP
>now killing DND
Don't buy Hasbro. They're clearly mismanaged and will continue to fail.

[Anonymous No.53287763]

>>53279860
we've been playing Runequest, it's complicated but kind of cool
we played another one named Mork Borg that was fun
Call of Cthulu is a good horror one

[Anonymous No.53287841]

>>53280638
>that bedspread
schizos were right

>>53280948
damn capitalism sucks
>>53282803
mordheim. i remember reading about that in white dwarf in like 6th grade

[Anonymous No.53287859]

>>53279688
The jew cries out in pain as he strikes you.

[Anonymous No.53287879]

>>53279688
You knew this was gonna happen when Chris got promoted to CEO of Hasbro and left WotC.

[Anonymous No.53287935]

>>53279815
There's some gay online platform with gay online content for lazy gay DM's and players.

t: DM who actually crafts his own content, terrain, quests, NPCs, etc and I pirate the rest off the internet or use old/open source content.

[Anonymous No.53288449]

>>53279873
I hope they fire that new microsoft whore.

[Anonymous No.53288583]

>>53280267
Kek meanwhile in my game a player raped the corpse of a female demon while another distracted the pally so he wouldn't complain.

[Anonymous No.53290187]

>>53287841
We usually are

[Anonymous No.53290365]

>>53280578
>its extremely dumb, there is no point but to sit around and jerk off to pretend bullshit with no objective, winners, or point whatsoever
this has always been my view, which is most sensible to me. in all of my years, however, this is the very first time i have EVER heard another share this same sentiment. i bring it up any time anyone brings up D&D, and no one ever seems to understand why i think it's such a pointless and retarded thing in the age of video games. i am a degree saner for having read your post.

[Anonymous No.53290418]

>>53279738
this

[Anonymous No.53290528]

>>53279866
This is all because the woke types say nighers are orcs. Its not like there were secret d&d groups of white nationalists that would make super racist campaigns and laugh about killing orca and go "haha! Yeah! That orc was a NIGGER!"
No. You would just make a black kingdom to burn if you wanted to. Its not like there's some special magic keeping you from making a racist campaign.
What keeps you from doing that is it sounds stupid and boring.

[Anonymous No.53290561]

>three polish jewish brothers...

[Anonymous No.53290615]

>>53290528
Only americans and bongs think that if you call a nigger a "nigger" and prefer white characters over monkey faces for fucking nordic legends think you're white nationalists.

Seriously wtf happened to this society thinking that if you don't suck the diversity cock you must be a evil nazi cultist?

[Anonymous No.53290647]

>>53290615
Sixty years of government and corporate propaganda

[Anonymous No.53290855]

>>53279688
Hasbro stock value did not go down, ergo: this is nothig burger.

[Anonymous No.53290888]

hasbro trying to compete with disney in the 'who can tank their stock value harder' contest

[Anonymous No.53290929]

Imagine paying California Jews for the right to use your imagination.

[Anonymous No.53290968]

>>53290929
Seatle.

[Anonymous No.53291962]

>>53279887
We must build and sell Jewhunter (TM)

[Anonymous No.53292022]

For the ponies, death to Hasbro of course!

[Anonymous No.53292078]

MTG is being over saturated and D&D is in a golden age because of critical role. Rest of Hasbro is dying toy company versus Minecraft / pokemon / Fortnite trends.

It's a bad investment and bad management decisions aren't a good sign

[Anonymous No.53292215]

>>53280948
>No more "no thanks we'll play the old system" like what happened when 4th edition came out.
Can't you.... read the old book.... and follow the old rules?

[Anonymous No.53292317]

>>53279738
spot on, literally then gayest fucking game on earth

[Anonymous No.53292344]

>>53292215
They're doing that SaS bullshit where instead of owning the book you buy a password that takes you to a webpage with the text on it.

[Anonymous No.53292926]

>>53290647
Enough with the antisemitism.

[Anonymous No.53293284]

>>53292926

[Anonymous No.53293424]

>>53279738
A game where you pretend you're someone else attracts troons you say? Wow who knew?

[Anonymous No.53294055]

>>53279688
>BUY HASBRO STOCK
They massacred they golden goose once with MLP, they are massacring their next golden goose with WotC as we speak.
At this point just let this boomer company die.

[Anonymous No.53294091]

>>53279688
>>53279873
>ex-Microsoft management
LMAO I don't know much about this situation, these games or anything, but considering what they did to Nokia, I wouldn't touch this shit...
though I guess the situation could be completely different here.

[Anonymous No.53294094]

>>53294055
>he doesn't remember when they killed transformers
damn

[Anonymous No.53294151]

>>53294091
otoh, I don't know shit about stocs (I've only lost money...) so whatever

[Anonymous No.53294187]

>>53292344
>>53292215
Also, after D&D destroyed their content and went woke, a lot of good media is produced using the OGL as a basis for rules while throwing out anything people don’t like. This sounds kind of like revoking your open source license, then saying everyone still using your library (let’s say it’s a time-keeping library and is used in everything) is infringing and owes you all income on all products they build using your timekeeping program.

[Anonymous No.53294532]

>>53294091
She's the one who butchered Mixer for Xbox.

[Anonymous No.53294552]

>>53292215
You can, the issue is anything you produce and publish can get stolen off you, or if it's good enough that you're able to capitalize it you still need to pay WotC. Or both.

[Anonymous No.53294661]

>>53279858
>IP taken directly from Tolkien
Seems more low fantasy than that. Michael Moorcock maybe? Elric and all that