/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.53144269]

Why the won’t American Gen Z’ers do plumbing and carpentry. Hey FAGGOTS nobody wants to watch your Twitch channel. Get a job.

[Anonymous No.53144293]

NPR is peak midwit
Meanwhile I own my own online store which makes more than I ever did

[Anonymous No.53144323]

>>53144269
not a zoomer but i wouldnt do this wagenigger bullshit either

[Anonymous No.53144370]

Because we live in a clown economy

[Anonymous No.53144384]

>>53144323
The Era of white collar welfare (qe) is coming to a close. Hanging out in an office as a human paper weight for $120k annually is on the way out.

Disregard if you actually build or sell something.

[Anonymous No.53144649]

>>53144323
That's probably what the Mexican labourers make. If you actually go to school for a skilled trade, you'll make bank. Start your own company after some years of experience, then you'll really pull in the money and just hire people to do shit for you. All the people I went to school with who ended up doing trades are unironically doing the best money-wise right now. Graduated with no debt, worked while going to school, starting to buy nice trucks and homes and starting families. All the uni grads are paying off eternal debt and living in pods.

[Anonymous No.53144683]

>>53144384
>Hanging out in an office as a human paper weight for $120k annually is on the way out.

Doubt it.

[Anonymous No.53144709]

>>53144323
pay me double that and i will do it

[Anonymous No.53144742]

>>53144269
these trades can be very lucrative of you work for yourself or a good contractor.

[Anonymous No.53144759]

>>53144323
>>53144649
People keep posting this "average blue collar wage is only $50k" crap. Thats for all of America including the poorests areas like WV, Detroit, etc. I know multiple plumbers and electricians who work for themselves and bill out $85+ an hour. Being an employee at the journeyman level still pays $35-$50 an hour. Corporate copers will try to deny this because they HATE their job.

[Anonymous No.53144850]

>>53144683
We're in a lot of trouble this next decade or so. Why else would we be in the middle of a grand depop conspiracy?

[Anonymous No.53145184]

>>53144683
>Doubt it.
Economic policy tightening, fed divesting from assets, every company undergoing mass layoffs. I don't know what you doubt, but there's a lot of signs and symptoms of the "growth just because" times are over. Idk. Good luck either way.

[Anonymous No.53145217]

>>53144850
2 More weeks right?

[Anonymous No.53145245]

>>53145217
>weeks
years

[Anonymous No.53145258]

>>53144759
>bro they're lying the average blue collar tradie makes more than the 90th percentile income per the bureau of labor statistics TRUST ME BRO

[Anonymous No.53145274]

>>53144759
>>53145258
>bro COME ON i told you they make AT LEAST $85/hour ($176,800 per year assuming 2080 paid hours per year)

[Anonymous No.53145312]

>>53144269
>Mwandjalulu

[Anonymous No.53145320]

>>53144269
But you have to tell them about this. If you know any zoomers tell them that getting into trades is a good idea.

Zoomers are like 15 years old, nobody has any life experience at 15. Of course they'll think that being a twitch streamer is a good career choice, that's all that they see. You have to guide them.

[Anonymous No.53145382]

>>53145258
>>53145274
You sort of just proved his point... he said plumbers and electricians, which get paid higher than most carpenters, and he was clearly referring to Master plumbers and electricians billing $85. He said journeymen plumbers and electricians make about $35.

the statistics you posted show all carpenters on average (a lower paid trade), not just licensed construction supervisors, making close to the $35 he stated for journeymen.

[Anonymous No.53145401]

>>53145382
go mow my lawn faggot

[Anonymous No.53145429]

>>53145382
>just move to the highest cost of living states so you can brag about making $33-39/hour after 5 years of apprenticeship bro

[Anonymous No.53145431]

>>53145320
>guide them
yeah guide the chicks to my cock

[Anonymous No.53145469]

>>53145401
I sell shit on the internet as a sm biz fag Lol.

Thinking about buying a tractor with plow and excavator attachment to do snow removal and grading work though. All of the old boomer fucks that know how to run that shit are retiring, and I can't get anybody to come by the house for projects.

Need a trench dug or snow removed?

[Anonymous No.53145481]

>>53144269
If I didn't have to work for a boomer plumper fag for 4 years getting $3 over min-wage to get certified as a plumper I would give up my current WFH computer job and be a plumper. The issue is the cost of switching is too high.

[Anonymous No.53145513]

>>53145429
So... his numbers were accurate, you were wrong, but you're still very angry with him (and now also me)? Take a breath dude. This is just a silly frog posting forum. We can all be friends.

[Anonymous No.53145524]

>>53145481
>ywn plumper fag a boomer for $15/hr
Enough.

[Anonymous No.53145575]

>>53144269
The only reason why there is a deficit of tradies is because boomer "master" tradies and unions collude to keep barriers to entry high (this inflates wages, but only for the boomer "master" tradies).

[Anonymous No.53145602]

>>53145258
>>53145274
>Dipshit corporate cuck doesnt know what "mean" means.
You literally just proved my point, now go report to Shaneequa in HR.

[Anonymous No.53145629]

>>53145602
1. my undergrad was in applied math, nigger retard.
2. i already posted the 90th percentile incomes. you do understand what a percentile is, don't you?

[Anonymous No.53145702]

>>53145629
>i already posted the 90th percentile incomes. you do understand what a percentile is, don't you?
which literally proved my point. Upper end of employees make 99.8k. Self employed make more. Why cant you understand this? You are supposed to be smart you even have a piece of paper that says you are.

[Anonymous No.53145802]

>>53144269
>You should pound nails for me zoomzoom.
>I'll pay you $15 an hour while I make $250k a year driving around in my new quad cab turbo diesel looking important.
Fuck off Boomers. No living wage. No work. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.53145847]

Also, I think one of the other major issues no one talks about is breaking into the industry. That is, things like certifications, unions, compliance etc. that have basically become a racket and kept new players entering each trade.

[Anonymous No.53145877]

>>53144384
This. Zoomers have no idea what's coming.

[Anonymous No.53145895]

>>53145847
>>53145802
What a relief. I thought I was insane doing Apprenticeship for a guy for 18 months without ever talking about raises or officially hiring on

[Anonymous No.53145925]

Is it really the fault of boomers or could it be more of the system in general that degrades young men from even participating. What’s the point of trying to work hard and support a family/nation when you can just do the bare minimum? It’s not like there’s any virgin women to marry, it’s not like the public schools aren’t out there to groom your future kids.

What’s the point in working harder than bare minimum if there’s no reward for it?
>muh self improvement
I don’t need to work hard for somebody else to improve myself

[Anonymous No.53145952]

>>53145895
I mean, par for the course in a lot of industries, not just the trades. I was talking about barriers to entry that get set up which purposefully restrict "supply" of competitors. Not that things like code are bad inherently, but they get weaponized to protect established players.

[Anonymous No.53145995]

Hi I do HVAC. Basically every trade in one. Pretty cool all lifelong skills I now possess. Bought my first house last year and renovated the entire thing myself

[Anonymous No.53145997]

>>53144269
What do carpenters actually do?

[Anonymous No.53146016]

>>53145431
>yeah guide the chicks to my cock

[Anonymous No.53146036]

>>53144269
>Justin Mwandjalulu
>Mwandjalulu
jesus christ we are going to have to purge so many subhumans out of our nation. at least it is easy to identify them.

[Anonymous No.53146043]

This is the free market at work. Trade jobs are probably paying almost half of what they should. I was a welder for years, until I saw that McWagies were making the same as me. No, I won’t give away my family trade for Pennie’s while some faggot sits on his ass and makes all the money. I used to make my shop owner 5 figures a week and the fucker wouldn’t give me a raise. Eat shit. Don’t ever work a trade for someone else, do it for yourself

[Anonymous No.53146244]

>>53144759
>People keep posting this "average blue collar wage is only $50k" crap. Thats for all of America including the poorests areas like WV, Detroit, etc. I know multiple plumbers and electricians who work for themselves and bill out $85+ an hour. Being an employee at the journeyman level still pays $35-$50 an hour. Corporate copers will try to deny this because they HATE their job.
Just in time for the tradie cope.


DUDE MY COUSIN IN THIS AREA MAKES 300K A YEAR AS PLUMBER, DUDE JUST TRUST ME BRO, THE LABOR DATA IS FAKE

[Anonymous No.53146318]

>>53145997
Rough carpenters fasten wood together in structurally appropriate ways making a big wooden box to live in. Finish carpenters do detail work that turns a box into a home.

[Anonymous No.53146359]

>>53146244
What's with the divide and conquer astroturfing? You're probably a purple haired part time dog walker talking shit about productive people in between eating thc gummies and stretching your axe wound...

[Anonymous No.53146403]

I come from working class, tradesman family, even if I am a useless NEET myself today. People dont want these jobs because they break your body. I got family members in their 30s in the trades who are already complaining about pain, nevermind they will have to work untill they are 70 at the minimum.

[Anonymous No.53146408]

We overbuilt too much infrastructure in the 20th century and you can't train illegal immigrants to the level of skill to maintain this much that is even if they bother to hold a steady job which most won't. There will always be a shortage and the fiat system will always work as a cantillion effect. They hate Bitcoin because it will wind up concentrating energy generation to those that support the Bitcoin standard until the global economy actually breaks and acquiring mining equipment is impossible at which point monero would take over then precious metals. "America" doesn't need anything because Rockefellers didn't plan for the 21st century and their dysgenic offspring and friends believe solar panels and wind turbines will automatically fix things. You would have better planning with game addicts from v then the "elite".

[Anonymous No.53146627]

>>53146408
you had me in the first half

[Anonymous No.53146707]

>>53146244
>average plumber makes 58k
bullshit, apprentice plumbers make 40k, no way qualified plumbers are paying 90% of their salary to pay their fucking apprentice lmao

[Anonymous No.53147163]

>>53144759
>I know multiple plumbers and electricians who work for themselves
Most people don't want to be self-employed. I could make $400/hr as a software consultant, but I'd rather get a steady paycheck and not worry about finding clients and buying my own health insurance.

[Anonymous No.53147194]

>>53146408
>cantillon effect
>mises regression theorem
>thucydides trap
>triffin dilemma
all very high IQ topics

[Anonymous No.53147239]

>>53144269
>Boomers suddenly concerned about the future of the nation they've spent a lifetime ruining economically, politically, and morally.
But yeah, fuck those young people for having no incentive to even try to get ahead in this rigged and broken system.

[Anonymous No.53147609]

>>53145702
6 figures isn’t even a lot of money in 2023, the fact that 90% of electricians make less than that (and it’s more like 99% when you break it down by cost of living adjustments) shows that it’s a completely fucking garbage career path.

Even mechanical engineering, the bane of /biz/‘s existence, has the median engineer making more than 90% of electricians lmfao. Tradeniggers have a reputation for being poor, fat, and dumb…because they are.

[Anonymous No.53147637]

>>53145320
I'm 21 you nigger.

[Anonymous No.53147704]

>>53147609
I'm making $30 an hour as a learner electrician
If I qualify and stay with my boss $45

I'm going to leave when I do and go to the mines, It's $70 an hour and up there

[Anonymous No.53147735]

>>53144269
>hard work for low pay

Yeah I think I'll pass.

[Anonymous No.53148589]

>>53147609
Also factor in that mechanical engineering is piss easy once you know how to do it. Currently shitposting from home on the clock for 110k/yr. My job won't even give me chronic joint pain.

[Anonymous No.53148675]

>>53144269
>why wont gen x, millennial, zoomers do [ X Y Z]
Because Qnon said it's time for boomers to pull up thier bootstraps for once

[Anonymous No.53148762]

You CAN NOT earn a liveable salary doing hard labor.

You used to be able to, and having a well paying job where you worked hard was respected by women.

Now men and women laugh at you for working with your hands, while you are outnumbered and priced out by illegal immigrants

[Anonymous No.53148805]

Semi-zoomer or whatever you want to call me here (27).
Doing a trade did not come up in my education at all, I went to a regional HS. We had a vocational high school in the area but it's not like it was shilled. In order to go you had to decide where you wanted to be at like 13/14. Pretty much the only people I know who are tradies have parents who do it who could whisper in their ear when they were teens.
As far as how they are doing? Mixed bag. Some seem pretty messed up already. The union guys get shipped all over the state on different projects so their hours are terrible sometimes. Biggest benefit is they were making at least some money right out of HS so a lot of them bought homes before COVID doubled the price for property.

[Anonymous No.53148823]

>>53147609
ibew 46 journeyman electricians in the seattle metro area are earning I believe (and I think its higher, my info is a few years old):
>$50/hr base wage
>$30-40/hr in benefits
and their overtime leads to more $$$, which theres plenty of in our region with a construction boom thats STILL ongoing for like 7 years straight at this point

[Anonymous No.53148847]

> it's a good living, actually
Only if you're a retard or have completely given up on life.

[Anonymous No.53148849]

>>53148762
shut the fuck up you misinformed jobless faggot
the trades in the seattle area make BANK, especially electricians. pic related, now go neck yourself

[Anonymous No.53148865]

>>53147609
enjoy your salaried sit your ass on the office chair career, no chance for overtime and the sales team is earning double what youre doing while playing put put golf in the morning

[Anonymous No.53148868]

>>53148849
>In November 2022, the median listing home price in Seattle, WA was $814K, trending up 8.7% year-over-year. The median listing home price per square foot was $576. The median home sold price was $811.3K.

$93/hour journeyman electrician still won't be able to afford a house

[Anonymous No.53148893]

>>53144649
or just hold bitcoin for two cycles

[Anonymous No.53148903]

>>53148868
anyone with a brain is living in Edmonds, Shoreline, Lake Forest Park

[Anonymous No.53148910]

>>53148849
Good luck winning any meaningful contracts with pricing like that

>>53148823
Part of the issue with ibew is that you have to spend years as a slave MIJ making no money, and in today's world you can't support yourself or a family going through an apprenticeship for years while in the same amount of time you could get a six figure job in IT

[Anonymous No.53148913]

>>53148868
also, what's your point again? A $150k takehome/year electrician supposedly with a spouse that also earns, can't afford $800k? Says who?

[Anonymous No.53148936]

>>53148910
Youre joking right? IBEW 46 is endlessly busy with work. Seattle metro is a powerhouse of an economy.

[Anonymous No.53148951]

>>53148910
>spend years as a slave MIJ making no money,
There apprentice wages start at $27.60/hr. Tell me how much is the stem student earning their first 4 years? I think its a negative number. Meanwhile in 4 years the apprentice wireman has earned $200k+ in wages lmao

[Anonymous No.53148965]

>>53144323
/thread

I make $22/hr fucking around at my easy factory job. The local McDonald's is hiring at $16/hr starting pay.

The local lumber yard is hiring at $14/hr, while working outside in 20 degree weather cutting down trees and loading trunk trucks. Why would you do that?

[Anonymous No.53148977]

>>53144269
These are the same (((journalists))) pushing the anti boomer and anti millennial rhetoric. They profit off creating division and hatred. Living proof the necessity to limit the rights of journalists for a more stable state

[Anonymous No.53148998]

>>53144759

You're a lying retard.

[Anonymous No.53149005]

>>53145429
You still here you miserable fag?
>>53148849

[Anonymous No.53149030]

>>53145997

Nothing of actual value.

[Anonymous No.53149045]

>>53148951
Then explain why the trade is dying

[Anonymous No.53149077]

>>53149045
According to who? The trade is thriving here in Seattle. Maybe it's not thriving in Detroit or Long Island though. The answer, anon, is: it depends.
It depends where you live, and what kind of market exists.

[Anonymous No.53149078]

>>53144269
Zoomers are niggers and can't do math. And why would they want to anyways its like a few dollars more an hour for 10x the effort.

[Anonymous No.53149161]

>>53148965
This. Literally down my street I have a gas station offering $16/hr for a register monkey position. Then I see a news story on TV with some buzzcut overweight boomer talking about how he's confused he can't find any new apprentice helpers to do all the heavy lifting and dirty work while working outside in the elements for $12/hr and crying about "da new generation, dey don't have no work ethic like MY generation had". No shit no one wants to work a job where the wages have remained the same for 20 years while cost of living has gone through the roof during the same time period. Someone would need to be desperate or insane to accept a job like that when better paying options exist.

[Anonymous No.53149199]

>>53145925
This. Here in the UK you have a 40% income tax on all income above 50k a year. Why go into a debt studying for a degree if you're just gonna get half your additional income taxed? Not to mention housing is unaffordable. You'll either have to rent or be chained to a 30 year mortgage. May as well just work minimum wage and live with your parents.

[Anonymous No.53149277]

Was an automotive apprentice for a year, the boss would constantly complain about how high schooling fees were well i was on a couple bucks above min wage, yet go around buy new cars every 3 months and dropping several grand on retro fitting personal caravans which he had two. The issue is these old farts think that award rates are justified because the government said so despite them be a guide and often bear minimum.

[Anonymous No.53149305]

Carpenter my age in the union were making like $18-22 yeah some older dudes were making like $40 but it took them decades to make what is pretty much a entry level stem wage. Decades of wear and tear paid instead of just learning something

[Anonymous No.53149310]

>>53145258
>>53145274
>>53145382
>>53145429
>>53145481
>>53145629
>>53145802
>>53145952
>>53145995
>>53146043
>>53146244
>>53147704
>>53148965
>>53149161
>>53149199
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyKGtk-Ahb4

>>53148868
WRONG

[Anonymous No.53149320]

I'm not clicking that

[Anonymous No.53149330]

>>53144384
Kek you say that, but I work for the government and it's pretty much impossible to sack me even if I have multiple years of completely substandard performance. And that's assuming they notice the lack of performance in the first place, which is pretty unlikely when we never do anything in the first place.

>t. Hanging out in the office as a human paperweight for $112k AUD

[Anonymous No.53149355]

>>53148849
WHAAAATTT !!!IBEW CHAD
do the Wireman make more than the Lineman in those counties ?

[Anonymous No.53149363]

>>53149320
click it
and swallow that redpill

[Anonymous No.53149388]

>>53144269
You can get paid $90k a year to hold a fucking sign on the side of the road in aus

[Anonymous No.53149419]

>>53149388
Not if you're male.

[Anonymous No.53149501]

>>53149310
That's nice, but the guy still claims 77K a year for working a very physical job that involves a lot of travel. I saw some internet forum manager(lead mod) for a videogame company who said anyone taking his job for less than $100,000 was getting ripped off. A job that makes less than internet jannies isn't something to aspire to.

[Anonymous No.53149655]

>>53146359
>If you don't like playing in poo poo for minimum wage you're a tranny
Jews really have no idea how to get goyim to work for them do they.

[Anonymous No.53149744]

>>53148823
>spend 4 years as an apprentice making 36k a year
>so you can become a journeyman and make 60k a year
or go to college and get any STEM degree and make 60k-100k

[Anonymous No.53149909]

>>53149744
+ u ruin your body

+ society views you as a drooling retard

[Anonymous No.53150041]

>>53144323
Commercial work is where the tradie money is. Residential trades are for the birds.

[Anonymous No.53150083]

>>53149909
This is true, I did commercial HVAC for 19 years. Made over 100k for several of those years(lots of overtime). It doesn't change the fact that society views a man in a dirty uniform as absolute scum, I can tell you guys so many stories. Thank god I made it on cryptos.

[Anonymous No.53150102]

>>53144269
I actually want to build shit. Walls, install floors all that. I just don’t know Mexican, or how to get on with a crew. Or apprentice. How would someone go about getting into carpentry?

[Anonymous No.53150174]

>>53150102
It is admirable to want to build, but I would do it as a hobby or even side gig.

You will slave away for years to make money for shekelburg while earning almost nothing

On top of that nobody will ever love you, you are an expendable asset

[Anonymous No.53150186]

>>53150102
Look up local carpenters union, and/or call a local carpentry and see if they are hiring. Look up when applications start for new apprentices in the union trade school. If you go union, trade school will be free.

[Anonymous No.53150356]

>>53149501
lead mod it is then
end of story

[Anonymous No.53150391]

>2000s
>"go to college you don't want to flip borger"
>2010s
>"go to STEM you don't want to flip borger"
>2020s
>"go to trade school you don't want to flip borger"
>2030s
>"go to borger flipping school you don't want to be a hyperwagie"

[Anonymous No.53150412]

>>53144759
>what is rent costs
Being a tradie in New York shitty makes you 70k a year and your rent is 2k a month what a fuckin steal.

Everything basically comes back to the fact that the USA never built enough housing and prices are massively inflated because of boomers trying to sell millennials their boomerboxes so they can retire to fiji and have sex with barely legal brown prostitutes.

[Anonymous No.53150432]

>>53150391
>just learn to flip burgers while buying kneepads for your side hustle bro

[Anonymous No.53150449]

>>53150412
>We just need more housing!
Run those numbers again but with less immigration.

[Anonymous No.53150523]

>>53150449
It's both, boomers simultaneously increased immigration from 600k a year (legals and illegals) in the 1980s to 2 million a year in the 2000s while blocking housing from being built. Importing 20 million foreigners in 10 years while building like 100k new dwellings meant the housing bubble got retarded and boomers started hoarding rental properties while gen z became flippers. Now shit is beyond fucked and we never really recovered from 2008 because of it.

[Anonymous No.53150569]

>>53144269
>bruh imagine playing video games for a living
>bruh

[Anonymous No.53150617]

>>53144269
Farmers are going to be driving Lambos soon.

[Anonymous No.53150681]

>>53144649
>Mexican labourers make. If you actually go to school for a skilled trade, you'll make bank. Start your own company
That's hilarious. Go to school and start a company.

[Anonymous No.53150707]

>>53145320
>Zoomers are like 15 years old, nobody has any life experience at 15. Of course they'll think that being a twitch streamer is a good career choice, that's all that they see.
https://www.therichest.com/rich-powerful/the-10-richest-female-gamers-in-the-world/
Yeah, okay boomer.

[Anonymous No.53150708]

>>53144269
every older zoomer/young millenial i know that went into trades cant get a job because they dont know anyone. every proffession is a mafia. if you dont work at daddie's business, you are fucked

[Anonymous No.53150741]

>>53146408
>Crying about immigration.
Lmao, Irish people are drunks.

[Anonymous No.53150742]

>>53150708
This is true. Almost every tradie job I ever got was from a friend's recommendation. Only one or two were from sending my resume out.

[Anonymous No.53150765]

>>53148762
I'm making alright money, gonna probably buy some more silver and some gold, then? I dunno, more btc? I want more cash but my wallet is full, there's food on the table.
Manual labour isn't supposed to pay a whole bunch but as a dumb muscle guy it's kinda hard to go be a brain surgeon, you know?

[Anonymous No.53150791]

>>53149161
>Someone would need to be desperate or insane to accept a job like that when better paying options exist.
Better paying options don't exist for me, I didn't have rich parents and nor did I get to stay in school long.
So no, options exist, not for everyone.

[Anonymous No.53150828]

>>53149909
>+ u ruin your body
Stop drinking booze and snorting cocaine, drink water and lift weights after work, faggot.
>>53149909
>+ society views you as a drooling retard
I veiw them as meat bags.

[Anonymous No.53150853]

>>53150174
>On top of that nobody will ever love you
You're so fucking gay and weak.

[Anonymous No.53150868]

>>53150828
>>53150853

[Anonymous No.53150966]

>>53144269
boomers dying off caused this.
they didn't retire so the next 3 generations could train and replace them
they have a paid off million dollar house, 75K car, and still working

[Anonymous No.53150984]

>>53144269
>Do the same shit you watched your old man die over....


Ahhhhh no cunt, I don't feel like it, go cope.

[Anonymous No.53151009]

>>53150523
>we never really recovered from 1999 because of it
fify

[Anonymous No.53151057]

>>53150966
I think the best part is that it's more like
>boomer retired or semi-retired
>realized they needed more money because debt or just being a retarded 65yo dipshit
>came out of retirement
>crowded younger people out of jobs

[Anonymous No.53151146]

>>53151057
there is a bitch at work that could retire today. she is 65, husband just laid off last year. well, quit/fire he refused to do a shitty job at 67. and they say millennials don't wan to work.
she bitches every day she can't spend time with her grand kids. why isn't she retired? 2 mil home, 1.5 mil second home both paid off. and a 900 a month car payment.
she starts bitching, I say, sell the rental property
>but my income wah
even repeating it sounds retarded.

[Anonymous No.53151254]

Take the aviation pill.
>t. A&P

[Anonymous No.53151275]

>>53151146
Know a boomer bitch who was gungho about retiring from her 110k a year manager job with 3-4 million in assets and now she bitches because social security is only like 800 bucks a month.

She also retired right as the stocks market was shitting the bed even though she didn't have to lmao.

[Anonymous No.53151402]

>>53145312
yeah I don't have to read it to know exactly the propaganda narrative they're spinning. AJAB.

[Anonymous No.53151652]

>>53144269
Most of Gen Z doesn't see the point and there isn't a point in Western society anymore, their future was sold before they were even born and they aren't motivated to do much.

The pay for trades can get you a middle class lifestyle in some places sure but if a zoomer can live with his parents or even roommates with a 25-35k job as a security guard doing fuck all what's the point?

>>53145320
>Zoomers are like 15 years old, nobody has any life experience at 15.
Anon you are falling behind, oldest of Generation Alpha (2010 to 2024) now turning 13 this year. Oldest zoomers are in the mid 20s now.


>>53145925
>It’s not like there’s any virgin women to marry, it’s not like the public schools aren’t out there to groom your future kids.
This is why I don't blame Gen Z for not trying, most modern women ride the cock carousel before they settle down with "the one" and the ones that were virgins that stayed with the man that took the virginity are off the market quickly usually even before they turn 18. Chances of marrying a woman that isn't a former whore is rare not impossible but rare. If you have any kids there will be lot of people that try to groom them and even the schools now. The stable family that you made with a virgin bride, with the white picket fence, big home, etc that's gone for the most part only a few are lucky enough to have the stars align to have that formally normal life.

>I don’t need to work hard for somebody else to improve myself
If you can survive on 25-40k a year than there is no harm in it and you don't have to put in a big effort if you just plan on being single and childless, more you make the more they punish you for it to in taxes unless you are godly rich to the point you cheat the system but only a small percentage of American males can do that.

>>53149199
>Here in the UK you have a 40% income tax on all income above 50k a year.
Man you Brits got it rougher than I do and I feel I pay lot in taxes.

[Anonymous No.53151678]

>>53144269
Because you get treated as a literal slave for 4 years and paid a pittance because "apprentice wages".

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>>53144649
>Start your own company after some years of experience, then you'll really pull in the money and just hire people to do shit for you
This is the biggest meme ever.
What actually happens when 80% of trade workers 'start their own company'.
>large investment into equipment
>sporadic work load
>not being paid for MONTHS on end
>having to deal with endless issues that aren't your issues
>the headache of finding reliable workers, the majority are unreliable and only cause problems that you yourself have to go fix
>working long hours because now you also have to do 30 hours of office work a week

The trade workers you see who bought a nice truck as soon as they could ended up financing them at like 20% APR. It unironically costs them similar to what a college debt would lmao.

[Anonymous No.53151914]

>>53144269
>help wanted immediately! we're desperate!
>$18/hour btw
lol fuck you kikes

[Anonymous No.53151984]

>>53144269
you better work hard wrecking your body to fix my boomer mcmansion so my family can be happy and i can retire. in return, you can never have a home, family or retire. what a great deal!

[Anonymous No.53152255]

>>53151914
But... but raising wages will raise inflation!
Then companies will raise their prices to offset costs.
Then the only way to keep employees is to raise wages...
Then inflation....
Then wages....

....

[Anonymous No.53152275]

>>53151984
Exactly, pay your union dues so that you can pay for the pensions of your 'brothers and sisters', who by the way were able to afford new houses and cars on a 20k salary in 1980

[Anonymous No.53152348]

>>53152255
You’re right, we should all just work for $1hr then everything would be much cheaper

[Anonymous No.53152430]

>nobody wants to watch your Twitch channel.
why are people watching then? why are people sponsoring twitter girls and femboys then? maybe cause they are needed more than carpenters? go fuck yourself trumptard
Also if they are struggling to find anyone maybe they should pay more?

[Anonymous No.53152685]

>>53149310
Nope. Not gonna do it. Not gonna work for less than the fat fuck do nothing bosses. I'm not responsible for the business owner's monthly payments on their new truck, side by side and RV. That's their problem.

[Anonymous No.53152716]

>>53144269
>likes concrete the best

Now i KNOW this article is ABSOLUTE horse shit. Nobody, and i truly mean nobody likes prepping, pouring, finishin, and then stripping concrete...not even the guys that do it

[Anonymous No.53152762]

>>53152685
Thinking you’re also a fat ass desu. Gonna ballpark you between 260 and 325

[Anonymous No.53153217]

>>53148849
Based early retirer due to body damage.

[Anonymous No.53153440]

>>53144323
This. It's peak boomer to simultaneously pay Jack shit and lament the lack of interest.

[Anonymous No.53153454]

>>53144384
This excerpt the jobs will still exist. They will just be full of women. Men need not apply.

[Anonymous No.53153501]

>>53144269
>Why the won’t American Gen Z’ers do plumbing and carpentry
It's antithetical to what a "good job" is. Doesn't matter what it pays.

[Anonymous No.53153518]

>>53144709
>Pay me double to make things
>Oh God, the things I make cost 2x as much!
You are delusional. 50k is perfectly adequate, especially as a single man.

[noko No.53153537]

i work as a painter and carpenter in california bay area.

Plumbers are straight raping people on prices, bare minimum $200 an hour and climbing. they literally come in, tear open your floors and walls, fuck your entire house up, then fix the pipes and leave.

Electricians make really good money as well, not as much as plumbers. you can also come in, fuck up peoples homes and leave it all torn apart.

carpenters make dick, you end up fixing a bunch of shit for free and no one thinks you are worth more than $100.

Keep in mind most tradesmen wont make more that 100k a year which is still nothing in the bay unless you want to live in the ghetto and get your tools and truck stolen every night.

Rent in the bay is bare minimum $1800-$2500, on top of your health care which is about $400 manadatory, your gas wont be paid for by the company so thats an extra $800 a month, you are barely scraping by

[Anonymous No.53153574]

>>53145997
They install carpet

[Anonymous No.53153578]

>>53148762
Any thoughts on working at the casino? There’s some jobs that will always filter out illegals and the low iq. I kinda like the smoky bar scene and slot machines are essentially vidya.

[Anonymous No.53153756]

>>53144293
What kind of store anon?

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>>53153518
You are a homosexual. I pick things up and put them down, I make $40/hr and will legit quit if I don't get a 10% raise this year

[Anonymous No.53154677]

>>53144649
What the hell? 2 of the 9 trades people I grew up with roped, with a 3rd likely to any day now

[Anonymous No.53155121]

>>53144269
this is not the real issue. beaners are getting smart and learning to operate their own handiwork businesses. they are taking over white contractors's businesses who have been ripping them off for years. now nobody wants to work for white blue collar companies, not even beaners

PROTIP: always call beaner businesses to do any construction, home repair, plumbing, etc. work for you. they're not only cheap, but they actually take pride in their work and do an excellent fast, job compared to some white guy business owner can only find a bunch of meth head retards that can work for him and do shit work or take too long to finish

[Anonymous No.53155148]

>>53155121
ok beaner

[Anonymous No.53156981]

>>53155121
Sure buddy...even the gardening is mid to low tier
nowadays.

[Anonymous No.53157131]

>>53150707
what he said is just that it's too competitive to make it. it's like wanting to become an NBA player as a career path

[Anonymous No.53157467]

>>53148762
I don't want to be laughed at :(

[Anonymous No.53159961]

>>53148849
These hourly rates arent very meaningful. Tradies arent working 40 hour work weeks. Most of them are below that and spend only 1-2 hours at one job. Sometimes you work longer hours in one day and get more but its not some 40 hr work week X hourly rate to get yearly salary. Its going to be lower for most.