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>> No.53105699

Why the fuck do they close markets on days that arent even fucking holidays. I need to make money NOW

>> No.53105718
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>no rocker new year's video
what is that fat ass doing anyway

>> No.53105727

Probably so that they have the same number of days open per year for when holidays DO fall on weekdays.

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stagflation 2024 confirmed

>> No.53105758

These threads have been dead bro. Not great for meta commentary.

>> No.53105774
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What are the implications of tons of people taking fat losses against their taxes this year?

And what are the implications of AIs like ChatGPT writing trading scripts for normie faggots? I'm starting to see a ton of "ChatGPT wrote me a 3000% strategy!!!!" posts

>> No.53105813

do an edition like Markets: A look ahead
do a forecast
make some predictions
stocks that will do well
stocks that will go to 0
when will the Fed pivot
what will inflation be by year's end
how many total beers will be consumed by you in 2023
sectors to in
sectors to be out


>> No.53105814

Bullish for post tax refund spending.

>> No.53105832

Yeah I'm going to get a huge fucking refund this year. I had extra taken out at my job for 2022 because I anticipated big stock market gains........ and that.... didn't happen

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I‘m so close to killing myself it‘s unreal

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>TA question, pic related

why would you want to BUY when a 15 RMA crosses above a 50? wouldn't you want to SELL since this TA suggests prices will be going up. same question but the opposite: why would you want to SELL when the a 15 RMA goes below the 50 as this would suggest prices are going down and now they are "cheap" to buy and DCA into? seems like you want to DCA buy while things are going down and DCA sell when things are going up

>> No.53106042

What if I only buy good companies?

>> No.53106077
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Sounds reasonable to me

>> No.53106106

but it was open and very green today

>> No.53106119
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oh man oh man oh man, i overslept and now i'm late! i missed the open of the market! luckily it seems to be moving super slow so i don't think i missed much, what's the plan today lads?

>> No.53106135

No it isn't

You didn't miss anything and the market isn't open today.

>> No.53106138

I have a strong feeling this is the year silver will actually do something

>> No.53106167
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i was joking anon....

>> No.53106179

Sorry am rarted.

>> No.53106184

Yields gapped down so futures are guaranteed to gap up right

>> No.53106193

so much was green with 2-4% today that lots of people must have made tons of money

>> No.53106200

Bro all of us have tabs or apps showing the market open or at least accesible in seconds. Up your game, man.

>> No.53106205
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If you had $200k saved up in cash and stocks and other stuff... how much would you feel comfortable liquidating to for a house down payment?

>> No.53106222

Right now at these prices? Nothing, but generally 10-25% seems reasonable.

>> No.53106235

Shit, even 25% wouldn't be enough for a fucking shoebox where I am...

>> No.53106240

I wouldnt at these prices and rates. Also, you can use your 401k for down payment

>> No.53106244
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Yeah me to. Hiked my 401k contributions and I've got a previous tax loss carryover to use as well. Now I did make some gains this year and my salary went up decent amount so I dunno exactly what I'm gonna get back. Last year's refund was bigger than the one before it. But I owed nothing last year. So this year I'll prob get shafted. Cause that's normally how it works; one year state says "hey you owe x amount" then next year it says "you owe nothing" I've never owed the fed anything extra. I remember once the state said I owed them a single dollar. So I made a check out for just 1.00 and mailed it off. (This was before they let you pay it online)

>> No.53106250

about tree fiddy (not even joking)

>> No.53106254

today you learn that the mutt market isn't the only one in the world

>> No.53106258

>TA suggests
Because TA is fake when a single news article or tweet can move the market a different direction.

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$200k in cash? i would totally liquidate some of it for a down payment. not right now though, prices and rates are too high. i'd wait a bit longer for rates to drop. prices would probably go down to pre-2020 leves but thats about it, thats the "new low". i've been right so far, regurgitating what some youtubers have claimed.

>> No.53106288

>$200k in cash?
No, "cash and stocks and other stuff". Only about $90k is in cash. The "other stuff" includes various ETFs and Vanguard funds
And yeah, I know prices & rates are too high, but I really want to get out of this fucking apartment, and I don't want to move to another because that will be just as shitty

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>it still closed

>> No.53106300

wait for rates to come back down before buying a house

>> No.53106301

That might pay off. The drawback is that good companies are usually expensive
I prefer buying shitty companies that are cheaper than they should be
You buy the stock, not the company

>> No.53106323

Should I spend $150k on Duke’s EMBA

>> No.53106330
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hello can I speak to the manager of the market? This is unacceptable

>> No.53106331

Leave retirement accounts alone. Liquidate everything but $50k cash for the down payment

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you shouldn't be using a single indicator for trading. at least 2 or three, but no more than 5. things can go down in the short term but be up in the long term and vice versa. in your example people might be buying for the long term.

missed the "how much" part, i agree with the other anon, 10-20%. that's a good down payment, i think. that also depends on where you live. $20k downpayment in my flyover state? thats pretty damn good. in california, not so much. all i can say is hang in there anon, don't rush these kinds of things. once you hold out and do get a house with a nice low rate at a "reasonable" price you'll forget all about the apartment you're in now

>> No.53106343

He can always refinance, and he can make additional payments toward the principal to reduce the amount he spends on interest. If he’s paying $2k in rent, then every year he waits is $24k lost that he could’ve put towards equity

>> No.53106344

Thats the warren buffet slow and steady approach, probably will work over the long term.

>> No.53106353

true, but housing prices are still elevated as well

>> No.53106356

It honestly depends on where you’re at and how solid your income is outside of investing. If you live in a low cost of living area (you can buy a house for under 350k) and you have solid income from a “normal” job (over 75k annually) then I’d say it’s worth it to put ~100k down on a house in your situation. If you’re in a higher COL area and/or your regular income is lacking then I’d probably think differently.

>> No.53106357

just popped a pimple on my dick and almost cried
see what happens when the market is closed

>> No.53106366

>What is momentum
>What is trending
>What is a trading range
>Why these different price actions need different tactics

>> No.53106386

Yeah, $40k isn't enough for a down payment here, now... unless there's some government program or whatever
I am unfortunately in a HCOL area but do have a good income ($200k). I work from home right now, but I know that won't last and I want (need?) to stay in the area because that's where my job market is.

>> No.53106429

fucking nothing unless I bought with cash
it's going to be 2-3 or more until mortgages come down to good levels

>> No.53106433

If it’s your first mortgage you can get away with 5% down

>> No.53106448
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When are the futures going to move again?

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Nice little rally today in Europe when the amerifats aren't here to ruin the party

>> No.53106462
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It really is over isn't it?

>> No.53106470

big ass, small tits

>> No.53106474
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What is a 'virtual person'?

>> No.53106475

Do a lot of research on any house you take a fancy to. Get an inspection done. Plenty of people have taken the "oh I gotta have it now" pill to only end up hurling when the shat the previous owners tried to hide turn up. If they flat out refuse to any inspection then run away.

>> No.53106489

Not even once.

>> No.53106493

Someone from non European ancestry

>> No.53106505

>and I want (need?) to stay in the area
thats entirely up to you, i'm in construction so i'm all over the place, doesn't matter where i live i'll always have to commute. moving a bit out of the area usually has cheaper housing, which can be bigger and have more yard space if you're into that. also, you don't have to pay the 20% pmi. they would like you to but its not mandatory, you can always just pay a little extra every month and pay the pmi off that way (ie house is $200k, pmi is $40k. pay only $10k down, and adjust payments to pay off the $30k for the pmi so your monthly payments can be a bit lower later on). whether you pay it upfront or in payments won't matter, they'll get their money one way or another

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>> No.53106526

that's a man

>> No.53106532

why did they put 'hire' in quotes, but not 'person'?

>> No.53106538

What does the Euro Market look like usually?

>> No.53106572

because the author is a woman

>> No.53106622
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That wasn't me, this is me. Truthfully I don't have any money in the market right now. I closed my robinhood account during the FTX scam with the intent of opening another, and then I just didn't. The markets are faker and gayer than ever in history, and i've almost reached my goal of $10k just from working insane hours. I tried to change the format of my videos to see if it would light the fire of passion back under my ass but it really didn't. I don't think i'm the only one. If you look at /smg/ as a whole, this place is basically devoid of any kind of passion as well. Economic depressions do that though. Bull markets don't just help portfolios, they help the spirit of this place as well. That on top of the fact that my life is complete fucking chaos right now doesn't really help. I feel like i'm in a time machine where time just keeps moving faster and faster, and I miss more and more. I don't really sleep hardly ever either which doesn't help

>> No.53106626
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>sold OXY
ok what should i buy now

>> No.53106636
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digits indicate you're gmi rocker

>> No.53106637

So we thinkin bulltrap with christmas money, then new bottom?

>> No.53106661

I just need to decide what to do after I get the $10k. I never thought I would truthfully get to this point so I never made plans after. I just assumed I'd lose my job and live off that money until it ran out. $100k is laughable so i'm not aiming for that.

>> No.53106666

How exactly do stock diffs work?
For example, if I invest say $10
And the next day the stock is down by $20
Does that mean I lost that $10 completely, and need to reinvest more to get back in?
Or is my $10 only buying a percent of that stock, so it's more like I lost maybe $4 despite the stock going down $20?

I presume it's a percent, but not sure. Brand new to this, kinda starting to understand stuff.

>> No.53106679

there's always a bull market somewhere buddy you just gotta find it. if it's not in stocks - look somewhere else. also, you can make money when stocks go down too

the DXY was in a bull market all year until November and interest rates had a bull run. what are your predictions for 2023?

>> No.53106682

Your $10 only bought a percent of that stock

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Happy new year /smg/!

>> No.53106705

I've always masturb8tin

>> No.53106710

A good lawyer, because I'm reporting your ass to the DEA.

>> No.53106717

Basically you're correct. If you put $10 in a stock and it goes down by $20, you owe your broker the difference and need to pay $10 to close the transaction. This is why you should stay away from expensive stocks.

>> No.53106716

>green stocks

what are they? seems like either green stocks succeed in the mid to long term, or everything goes to shit anyway right? so might as well get in on them. tech companies for sure, but alos shit like certain metals that are gonna be hugely in demand to fuel green transitions.

>> No.53106721

well you have experience with custodial stuff right? I bet people would pay to have their trash bins cleaned out

>> No.53106722

Stop being a weak ass & falling into the perpetual things aren't the way they were moaning trap. Adapt or die.

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>New 600 lb life season starts Feb 1st on TLC
You guys are making physical gains a priority too right? Money can fix a lot but wont fix a lot of health problems.

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>selling oil before election season 2024.

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I don't know I'm kind of getting nervous that I'm starting to turn into poem anon and not in a good way. Starting to get nihilistic and getting used to it, but what's even far worse is I almost broke my computer monitor yesterday. I was playing guacamelee 2 and got fucking pissed at one part and almost threw my controller as hard as I could at my monitor. I stopped myself at the last second and thought, "what the fuck am I doing". I don't want to start having sperg outs like poem anon, I need to get a grip. Having 2 long weekends from work is a disaster. Work provides the structure that keeps my autism at bay.

>> No.53106774

This post gave me cancer

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will it ever return to mean?

>> No.53106789

what are the problems with buying options that are already at the breakeven price?

>> No.53106793

I adapt better than most to clown world. Holidays are over. I'm back to work tomorrow. I'm somebody that just needs to be working all the time. I don't value free time the way NEETs do.

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Glad I could help

>> No.53106855

>You buy the stock, not the company
Is this true over the long term?

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>>53105383 #
How does it feel to be practically the einstein of niggers?

I studied physics with a black kid who was probably as high IQ as I am (mid 130s) but other than him ive never met one in person.

That said, obvious standouts like you, Thomas Sowell, Fredrick Douglass, etc. exist but how does it feel man? I just really wonder. Do you hate niggers too and wish you could selectively breed with higher IQ black chicks so you could found a race of non nigger black skinned folk, who would eventually be made honorary aryans like the Japs?

>> No.53106874

IQ is a worthless statistic in the scope of /smg/. Most the people here barely have an IQ above room temp, and the ones that do are so autistic they can't live on their own.

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Bear market until Jpow says otherwise
t. Had sex several times this morning

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I can't judge because i'm autistic 120iq
how cringe iss this song
its making me want to buy tech with the money i dont have i dont knowe guyz im gonna buy intc market

>> No.53106904

I notice that the only people who feel the need to mention their IQ are 120 -130 people. People with higher keep it a secret

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>t. Had sex several times this morning

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Im holding on to my oil shares. The obvious reason.

Now the schizo reason. Well... Thats a long story.

>> No.53106921

I would eat that

>> No.53106923
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I made it 9 seconds in before I had to turn it off, that should give you your answer. I used to work at a cell phone store a decade or so ago and one of the phone techs in back had Asperger's. I ended up befriending him because I love autistic people. He used to just listen to a CD that was just famous quotes by scientists played to a backing track of soft techno. Made me laugh every time.

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whaat is worse than being too smart to be truly happy but too dumb to be cherished by society, basically a worthless IQ level
>120iq poster
thanks but now i gotta get my hands on that cd

>> No.53106952 [DELETED] 

ass is flatter than a 3 day open 2 liter of pepsi

>> No.53106954

They make graphics cards

>> No.53106964

tell me more

>> No.53106970
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Ok. I have a bad habit of trying to take IQ tests while drunk so ive been scoring in the 120s more recently. When I was in high school and early college I tested in the 140s a couple times.

Hungover as fuck but not drunk I still get in the 130s. I wish I was smarter but I'm smart enough that I can do anything I really need to for the most part.

I just wish I'd never gone to college. Life would unironically be better if I owned my own fence building company and started from the ground up. Now that I'm in my mid 40s, doing so would be extremely risky especially if my body didnt hold up.

Dark Brandons bullshit covid mandates really fucked me out of 2 years of good pay and it sucks to see that show up in my investment poorfolio.

>> No.53106977

Wish I could help you find it. One of the best things he ever did happened near the end of my time there. There was another phone tech in back who was middle eastern, decent enough dude. But he was basically the complete opposite of the aspie and they didn't particularly care for each other. The boss at one point was on the aspies work computer and found a massive fan fiction journal where he essentially is a hero that fights the middle eastern phone tech in depth. The company didn't fire him because there would probably be a lot of red tape firing a retard but they made him take time off. Haven't laughed that hard in awhile. When I view the anonymous people of this general, he is the face I put to all of you.

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AI image

>> No.53106996

They dig oil out of the ground

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Wrong thread

>> No.53107019

>but PM's
>economy collapsed
>government: sorry I'm going to be needing those PM's
>takes them at threat of imprisonment
And that's why boomer rocks are a useless hedge

>> No.53107024

Its ok, chuckled a bit. These songs with these computer narrators are usually really annoying from what I've experienced. I think only computer people can appreciate this

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>telsa missed their deliveries by 3%
Question is if they were already revised down. If not, then it's not that bad of a report.

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dont do it fren

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>> No.53107040

why arent you posting booba

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Well cubicle cucks? This is your future. You will work in complete silence with the exception of the sound of your own heartbeat

>> No.53107074

i will unironically live in the pod
can't stand other people's nuisance noises

>> No.53107082

Ok guys I need a good penny or low cap stock that can do at least a 3x. Go go go.

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Ready for your bug cell hives?

>> No.53107113

Happy new years kitties

>> No.53107118

californians get what they deserve

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armour residential.... 21% divvie, -252.63M revenue but still miraculously 50.28M gross profit because they're just that good
nothing could go wrong with this play.... see you all after i'm rich

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he sounds like a real superhero i am happy we could bring his story to the public eye
yaaaa some of the first music i heard was vocaloid music many moons ago checks out
i stayed in a capsule hotel in tokyo for many nights, it is fine! still plenty of room to wiggle ur feet duude

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I feel like we are entering a new epoch and I will be left behind
I like the song tho

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Markets are closed, including the booba market.

The only market that is open 24 7 365 is the anti semitism market. And boy do we have some deals for you.

>> No.53107158

>what a bear market does to a man
we're gonna bottom soon, everyone is bearish and depressed

>> No.53107167

>Office Job
>In a physical office

Bro I work remote, most of my coworkers work remote. I've been to a physical location once to pick up the computer and monitors for my job, and that's it. Companies spend millions to billions on renting offices and equipment. Why do that when you can just ship or have employees pick up the mininum equipment required and save that money to generate greater shareholder value?

>> No.53107221

I think a lot of you WFH guys don't realize the scope of what you say. The point of you being in the office is to keep you productive. They can't do that when you work from home. It's worth the cost of the building because basically every expense for said building is a tax write off anyway. Secondly, if they are going to get rid of the traditional office, the why bother hiring Americans? Just outsource everything to pajeets.

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>> No.53107238

something is wrong with this man's asshole. it looks unhealthy

>> No.53107246

im jewish and i wont tolerate this anti-semitism

>> No.53107248

>capsule hotel in tokyo for many nights, it is fine! still plenty of room to wiggle ur feet duude
Did you share the main area with 7 other students?

>> No.53107254

The coin slot hold power you couldn't possibly understand. It's the secret to destroying the jannies once and for all.

>> No.53107257

They want to put you in a pod so they can track every single action you take, both on the workstation and in general.

They want to use this information to model a Digital Twin. Essentially a Sims game where they can micromanage every single aspect of a business.

>John only got up from his desk 6 times today. His daily reported motivation level is "low". Recommend raising John's flight-risk level to "medium".

>> No.53107261

You think you have problems? I got 10k UVXY calls expiring Jan 20 and I'm ~90% sure a prostitute that I fucked and creampied in Las Vegas 6 years ago has my bastard son. I'm pretty sure she's entitled to 60% of my overall wealth, so I'm going to gamble it all away on the stock market and either make $10 million in which case I'll take off to the Phillipines (they can't extradite) or I'll lose it all and then go back to a cheap apartment in Vegas and produce as many bastards as possible until I overload America's welfare system and cause the collapse of the evil empire. Kinna hoping the VIX spikes tho

>> No.53107262

>In response to weak demand, Apple cutting Q1 orders for AirPods, Apple Watch, MacBooks - Nikkei

It’s over.

>> No.53107266

can we develop an AI that detects variations of this image and filters them out so I don't have to see them?

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no jannie today?

>> No.53107285

In a perfect world yes. Americans are not the best test subjects for this though. It's perfect for chinks. They already work a 9-9-6 schedule and will continue to do so because of the intense competition in the work place. Americans get uppity over the everything. No way it would work.

>> No.53107303 [DELETED] 

God that poop looks so gooey and sticky. I was under the impression anime girls didn't poop.

>> No.53107311

They expect the whole world to be asian eventually. Why do you think they keep shilling muh asian century. A billion bugs or jeets is what they want to rule over.

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cmon janjan crawl out of your lair

>> No.53107343

what strike price?

>> No.53107415

Ideally what they want is everyone from Europe east will be pajeets and chinks. All of the west will be Mexicans. They'll allow middle eastern types to temporarily survive just to terrorize the remaining whites. Once they outlive their usefulness, they'll be eradicated just like niggers.

>> No.53107475

wtf are we paying these jannies for

>> No.53107486

Whatever they pay them, it's too much.

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Holy shit it really is that line! And boomers will for sure have that reaction.

>> No.53107530
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>That right hand
Decades of research and thousands in chips later

>> No.53107567

I have no idea if that's how things are in Europe, but here in the US, we have more remote jobs than ever (including mine), and more and more people in my generation are quitting if we don't like the environment.
Big corps are taking notice and realizing that if they say "remote" they can get cheap labor, or at least poach from comprable positions at rival companies that require transit to an office location.

Also, looking it it logically, if company A generates 4,000,000,000 in revenue but has to spend 40,000,000 in Rent, utilities and maintainace, while Company B generates 4,000,000,000 in Revenue and only spends 4,000 on Rent, utilities and maintainance for their server location... then Company B generates greater shareholder value, and outperforms Company A, not to mention can invest more in newer tech, or better employee compensation to steal even more employees from Company A.

TL;DR, as dystopian a vision as you paint, it's not profitable enough to exist as you paint it.

>> No.53107569

>MBS reit
Good luck with that anon

>> No.53107575
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Where is david soxl

>> No.53107585

>You will work in complete silence with the exception of the sound of your own heartbeat
You say that like it's a bad thing. Given the option of some bullshit open concept office and this pod, I'm choosing the pod.

>> No.53107592
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Stock market isn't linear, so scale is fucked

>> No.53107594

The managers demand employees are in the office so they can helicopter micromanage them. Without the office it becomes too obvious that 4 managers on a 6 person team is excess.

>> No.53107602

Makes sense, thanks.
What number exactly correlates to the percentage? How do I know how much I could earn or lose, or could have if I invested earlier for example. Like how do I know my percentage if a buy $10 or $30 for 1 share. I don't see anything.

>> No.53107608

Neither of those lines is the stock market you dumb ape

>> No.53107619

Got voted out in a hostile takeover. Those chip fabs now belong to Mark Soxs.

>> No.53107644

And managers aren't executives, which means they don't run the company. In fact, some companies are eliminating managers because
A. Less in office workers reduces need
B. Fewer employees to pay
C. Less "busywork" added that waste company time.

And it's working. Managers as we know them are starting to go away. What is left will evolve roles in the coming years to something more practical. Companies that don't do this and cling to the old ways will he outpaced by their competitors.

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SPX 6000. In the next 6 months.


>> No.53107662

They both are actually

>> No.53107676

Pretty sure poem anon is dead, just like scoops and beoing anon. I think everyone in Seattle killed themselves

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Finally dawned on me how treasury settlement worked. I got 38K back because I only paid 37700 for those treasuries, giving me my annualized 3.8% yield. Bonds are real confusing.

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>I think everyone in Seattle killed themselves
i'm still here unfortunately

>> No.53107705

Hopefully he's too busy smashing puss to be bothered to come here, but yeah, he probably got killed by a tranny prostitute like scoopsies

>> No.53107709

Oh boy

>> No.53107719

>it's not profitable enough to exist as you paint it.
This. Companies want remote because they can ditch the expensive corporate office. Some of them like their massive office they got but they also know its wasted money right now.

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Imagine betting against sugar water powered by diversity and globohomo.

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Travis, which of your jams has the highest ratio of cum to jam
Asking for a friend

Pretty sure poemanon was posting about TLBT a day or so ago

>> No.53107725

>What number exactly correlates to the percentage?
The numbers you're looking for are called "shares outstanding" or "market cap". The first one is how many shares of that company are out there in the world, while market cap is that multiplied by the price of each share. When people talk about Apple being a 2 trillion dollar company or whatever, they're talking about market cap.

So if you buy a $10 stock with 10 shares outstanding, that company has a $100 market cap. Then if it crashes and CNBC freaks out about the company "losing $20 in value", you have an $80 company that still has 10 shares outstanding - your $10 share is now worth $8.

>How do I know how much I could earn or lose, or could have if I invested earlier for example. Like how do I know my percentage if a buy $10 or $30 for 1 share. I don't see anything.
Generally share prices are arbitrary - good companies can be $10/share and bad companies can be $1,000/share. The fraction of any company you can buy is also going to be, well, basically zero. Most market caps are in the millions or billions.

>> No.53107737

I thought AIDS got him?

>> No.53107750

$8, don't tell anyone tho

>> No.53107760

i would also like to know what happened to forkliftanon and his captive, jodie foster in 'nell' wife

>> No.53107778

plumberanon hasn't posted since he got boomed by a chinese scammer kek

>> No.53107779

He has HIV not AIDS fortunately
That's Boeing anon. I haven't heard from him in months.

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You're gonna have to be more specific. About a third of us are Forlkift-Certified.

>> No.53107807

This country is dead isnt it? Theres no coming back. The future is nothing but quarterly reports and bug pods. You just have to do everything now to be the one reading the quarterly reports instead of living in the pods.

>> No.53107855

David Byrne is a silver slurper?


>> No.53107856
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>Travis, which of your jams has the highest ratio of cum to jam
Probably the lemon lavander. You need the extra creaminess to balance out the acidity.

>> No.53107869

if u don't like it make ur own soda company bigot

>> No.53107871

The country is about to implode, after that it eventually something great will rise from the ashes. And then the entire cycle repeats.

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KO seems like a good buy. You can't fight the lifeblood of the USA.

>> No.53107891

will Thun's be caterer of choice for the /smg/ startup?

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Lmao its been dead since the 60s, don't be so dramatic. Everyone is looting the corpse, and you should do the same. KO has the right idea.

>> No.53107905

How the hell did you get into jam making of all things? Seems like woman's work, no offense, I just didn't expect a fellow autist to be in the jam business

>> No.53107907

Counterpoint: SNAP'll be on the chopping block as government revenues collapse from 2022 cap gains losses. To say nothing of housing and property tax revenues.

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I would do it. But id cum in SOXL_shill's food for what he did to me with LABU.

>> No.53107914

>the government ever cutting bennies for any ethnic group other than white

>> No.53107920

My city has a soda company. They make very good stuff, but their distribution lines are really bad so it is almost never available in the few restaurants that carry it. It is a big shame because the stuff they make is leagues better than coke/pepsi, and they are historically named. But those distribution lines are crucial.

>> No.53107930

im smarter than warren buffet because i invest in KO but don't actually drink the stuff

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Based Sterre poster


>> No.53107940
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All bonds give back what they were paid for. Anything below par (100) is secondary market speculation/pricing. Closer to maturity means closer to par. Treasuries are as liquid as USD and the standard for all other bond rates. Now go check some shitco bonds like $PRTY.

They trade at -97% below par. This means you can buy a PRTY bond for $40 and get $1000 at maturity not including the coupon payments along the way. Which is uhh... I think you can piece it together kek. Bonds tell the real story a lot of the time, if you're doing DD on a company you should always see how their debt is trading and or figure out of the bonds are a better risk/reward than the stock. Hell people are predicting a crab decade, maybe taking on some A/BBB c-bonds might be better returns than holding the company (assuming FED cuts rates and people's savings accounts aren't yielding 5%). Invest the coupon back into the stock for the next bull run

>> No.53107944
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I made a cheese quesadilla today, which is the first thing I've made that didn't come from a box in awhile. I'm pretty proud of myself.

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It was kind of just an missing market around my area once I quit my job as a sous chef. No one can figure out how to make cool flavor combos of jam in my area so I just started doing it. I haven't ran into any other jam maker at festivals that makes the combinations i can come up with. Oh and old ladies love me.

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1 pbtid

>> No.53107956

this would be 10x better if someone edited it so a shark swallows her

>> No.53107958

Well do you think the geriatrics in Congress will instead slash Social Security and Medicare? Or that we'll capitulate to Putler's unprecedented aggression by *not* hiking the defense budget 15% per annum?

On the revenue side, will the 1% suddenly become generous and allow massive tax hikes? Or will 2023 see a stable economy that has no appetite for $1.3t in new deficit bond issuance? Perhaps a deflationary recession gives us breathing room via a flight to safety bid while doubling or tripling that deficit?

What scenario do you imagine where SNAP doesn't eat shit, in real terms?

>> No.53107960

Bread and circus will never be cut idiot.

>> No.53107963

Oh you worked in culinary, now it makes sense.

>> No.53107974

I never thought about the MM of the bonds, mostly just bought them and expected the yield. Thanks for explainig it in an easy to understand way. I've been trying to find recent bond issues to see any potentially good shorts. Anything issued within the last 6 months yielding less than the risk-free rate seems like a good short candidate, especially for stinky growth companies that have no free money teet to suck off.

>> No.53107975

working from home has a $$ value though, so they should be able to offer less pay. you're going to be saving 2 hours in your day from not having to commute. you'll save money on not having to buy gas and new clothes for work as well. you wont have to buy a new car or get car maintenance as often since you dont commute anymore

working from home is probably worth like 20k$ / year in cost savings and getting 2 hours of your day back. i would take an 80k$ job with full-remote over a 100k$ job where i have to be in the office every day

>> No.53107978

That's awesome thank you so much you really helped.
Any suggestion for a video or site that really explains all the numbers and terms you generally see. Like all the points and stuff and what they mean.
Haven't seen many people talk about this when watching beginner investment videos or they briefly brush over them.

>> No.53107979

I’m amazed nobody seems to be talking about how the pandemic pulled a huge amount of taxable events forward and how 2022 and 2023 are going to be lean years for local and state governments.

>> No.53107988

If we're Rome in 200 AD, I agree. If we're Rome in 400 AD, well...

Swap in pre-revolution France or Russia if you'd prefer. Bread and circuses are not eternal.

>> No.53108000

I could see a cut to local defense spending, Army/Air Force budgets might shrink since there isn't an active war involving US troops. Hard to tell what exactly Biden's donors want from him until 2024.

>> No.53108001

It is an easy way to use a lot of fruit. Gardeners like the idea of fruit trees, but then fail to realize that you get too much fruit all at once. My dad has 1 (one) fruit tree and each season it produces dozens of jars of jam, all in the same week.

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ChatGPT knows what's gonna happen

>> No.53108009

Are you ready for the MELTAWAY of all degen options traders? On every timescale but especially with 0DTE degen gamblers
Prepare for the year(s) of crab.
Call me the HARBINGER OF THE MELTAWAY (of all gains)
You have about 6 months before Boomer media catches on.

>> No.53108014

We have not one but two generations of poor people now. Cutting SNAP would be political suicide. They'll bankrupt the country before they decide to be the party of tough decisions. They'd be better off to hand the election to Republicans in 2024, blame them for cutting entitlements (because they will), and take back the white house in 2028.

>> No.53108034

One of the Big Short guys, Danny Moses, goes on an on about if you like the company, buy the debt because you are ranked higher than common shareholders and you have a better defined return than stock over a set period.

>> No.53108035

Check the OP, especially the "Educational sites" section. Khan Academy is always great, and Investopedia is excellent for looking up specific terms.

The Bogleheads "Getting Started" link is the best step-by-step guide I can recommend as far as what someone in your situation should actually be doing.

Gotta grease both the left and right wheels of the axle. And war *posturing* is insanely profitable.

>> No.53108037

the niggers right to free honey buns and purple drink SHALL NOT be infringed

>> No.53108049

when's the last time republicucks actually cut spending?

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>Tech stocks breaking record after record
This nigga seriously expects QQQ to gain 51% in one day

>> No.53108055

>budgets might shrink since there isn't an active war involving US troops
You are joking right? They just added 70 billion more to the military this year including an extra billion to the space force that the generals didnt ask for. There wont be cuts in military spending now that the leeming are all on board with stopping russian boogeymen aggression. They got a carte blanche for the next 10 years.
Theyll raise taxes on those who already pay them. The US is nowhere near europe levels of taxation. Still plenty to go before the peasants get uppity.

>> No.53108059

Not spending as much money now counts as spending cuts BUBBY

>> No.53108068

>reducing inflation means prices are going down

>> No.53108074

That was my conclusion as well. As it stands, since I saved at least an hour in transit, I've been able to fit more Gym time into my week, and as an added bonus, since I work from home, I can lurk/post here and even perform some hobbies in between calls and tasks. I'm on the clock right now in fact, but because of what my job entails, I am breaking no rules nor slacking off. I'm getting a standing desk soon and considering a bluetooth headset as a next investment so I can cook/meal prep and do other chores outside of the office during/between calls.

>> No.53108076

Fair point, but eventually somebody has to. The spending cannot go on forever, and raising taxes wouldn't even make a dent.

>> No.53108078

Checked and my understanding is that the Air Force and Navy budgets will balloon at the expense of the Army and Marines. More money towards transporting munitions to Ukraine and providing force projection but reduction of boots on the ground capability.

>> No.53108079

It didn't say which record. It could be the record for largest percent gain in one day

>> No.53108082

>They'll bankrupt the country before they decide to be the party of tough decisions.
Anon, there's no need for future tense. Our discussion here is whether early 2023 is the breaking point or late 2023 is.

>> No.53108081

>Coping levels off the charts
Mumu literally going to AI story tellers to get a copium booster shot from fairy tales.

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Have a good day /smg/ frens. Have to make strawberry champagne and the ghost pepper jam today but I already drank one of the bottles of champagne.

>> No.53108095

Bond payers get paid in liquidation even over shareholders yeah.
Look up fixed income strategies. Now that rates are rising again the 60/40 or other % stock/bond portfolios actually make sense again. You can buy bonds directly from the gov on just about any broker and buy corp bonds just as easily. I know fidelity at least has both.

>> No.53108098

They can keep the circus going until 2024, so you're going to have to factor in an election as well.

>> No.53108103

Thanks I will take a look at it all!
If you don't mind, I use Schwab and was just playing around. If I go into buy and set order type as Market, it blocks out all options for timing and seems to force day only.
What if I want to purchase a few shares and just hold onto them until I want to sell them. I looked up the order type differences and market sounds correct.

>> No.53108109

Lol, just wait until you ask an anon to explain options to you. 90% will call you a retard or give you bad info. Honestly, you’re probably better off paper trading until you develop a good strategy.

>t. Down $20k out of $25k over last two years

>> No.53108119

I would've thought so, but then what the fuck is the ECB doing? If Lagarde actually has the balls to follow through on her rate hikes (or her hand keeps being forced), money that should be covering treasuries will be hedging its way into bunds instead.

>> No.53108124

>Market, it blocks out all options for timing and seems to force day only.
Market is typically the last traded price as of last trade. So live is only what you can get. You can do a limit which most brokers will let you sit an hold for weeks until it hits. Market is fine but limit is typically better for bigger positions.

>> No.53108129

People who collect SNAP benefits don’t vote, anon. If you can’t even hold down a job or afford food you aren’t getting registered to vote.

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>basically trying to draw poses other artists drew
>fuck up the flower boquet (which isnt awful, its just annoying knowing its there being a circle instead of an ovalish shape)
>want to kms over this mistake that would cause me to have to redo the entire piece

I hate art but I love art
Anyone else know this feel for hobbies?

>> No.53108135

America can keep the circus going, Euros cant because of PIGS.

>> No.53108140

Oh if you're talking about europe. They've been dead for a long time, it's doesn't matter what the hell they do they're dead. And yuropoors are too cucked to ever do anything about it.

>> No.53108174

No prob and good luck on your search. Hoping when /smg/ and just /biz/ overall is not as dead from this grindy bear market we can get a bond general going. They're more boring sure but there's ton of opportunity.

Absolutely true.

>> No.53108202

Oh people on SNAP definitely do vote. Before mail in became so heavily pushed they would literally bus niggers to precincts to vote. They would tell them if they didn't want to lose their benefits and be forced to get a job, you better vote. Then bribe them with a 40 of malt liquor as a reward. Poor, lazy people are the easiest to bribe.

>> No.53108232

At any given time, if you're dealing with a major company and trading just a few bucks, there are people willing to sell you shares and people willing to buy them. If they agree on a price, the shares swap hands. But once that happens, sellers will still have an asking price and buyers will still have a bidding price they've entered into the system.

So suppose I've got shares in our imaginary company, and I'm willing to sell 1 for $10 and part with another 1 if you offer $10.10. You log into Schwab and can do one of two things: a market order or a limit order.

A market order for two shares means you'd better be willing to spend $20.10, because you're telling Schwab you'll buy no matter the price - the first share at $10 and my second share at $10.10.

A limit order places a limit on how much you're willing to pay for each share. You're adamant about buying two shares but paying, at most, say, $10.05. You snag 1 share for $10, but that's it. The market waits until you bid more than $10.05 or I ask less than $10.10.

tl;dr Usually you'll want to start with a limit order somewhere between the current bid and ask prices, but if you want to buy now now now you can increase the limit to the ask price or a little above it. Market orders can be a little dicey (imagine you asked for 3 shares and I'd only sell my third share for $20)

>> No.53108247

Market's closed due to AIDS.

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>> No.53108288

Markets closed in remembrance of poem anon. He will be missed

>> No.53108318

My point is if they go the "QE for PIIGS, rate hikes to balance it out" route, that gives the treasury market competition because all the serious Euro countries put together will offer a debt market of comparable size and yield to the US one.

So we cut circuses, or Jerome kills the dollar with QE/YCC.

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everybody nod ya head

>> No.53108344

They vote but not in the sense of seniors. Grandma Ethel might show up to the polling place if, and only if, her SS gets cut.

On the other hand, Tyrese will always maintain his 100% voting record because Republicans are racist and the poll worker got his back. Cutting SNAP don't change that.

>> No.53108370

I have a question I think I am rather confused.

I am subscribed to Nasdaq data from my broker so when I am looking at "volume" am I only seeing volume through the Nasdaq exchange? how does it work that a stock is listed on NYSE and Nasdaq and others? As I understand it alot of high frequency trading bots are just arbitraging across these exchanges or do I have that confused?

What about for crypto. Like I can subscribe to free coinbase data so when i loud up a BTCUSD chart am I only seeing the volume going through coinbase?

>> No.53108377

So is limit what people use when they say "If I bought Apple/Tesla shares 20 years ago I wouldve made so much money"?
Like neither of those options sound like it. Market sounds like you buy it, then it sells it at the end of the day. Where limit you buy it at the price, but can wait before it actually transacts presumably for a hope the stock is in a slightly better position at that time.

>> No.53108406

>QE for PIIGS, rate hikes to balance it out
They already did some of that. No point in raising rates and QE, it would still contribute to inflation for them. Governments in europe have too much debt and they didnt try to fix any of it while rates have been so low for so long. As rates continue to rise the governments in europe will bloat up with debt. And its not the same as US because the US debt is a lot smaller compared to its yearly tax revenue, plus the debt and tax is controlled by a single government. Lagarde wont get germans, french and greeks agree to a monetary policy.

>> No.53108408

hows it possible to be this clueless on stock stuff

>> No.53108418

must be a zoomer thing

>> No.53108431

>"If I bought Apple/Tesla shares 20 years ago I wouldve made so much money"?
No thats just hindsight. A limit order is: buy tsla at $120. It opens tomorrow and tesla goes up. Your order sits there until tesla come back down and tags $120. Market is, buy right now regardless of price or shares offered. Just go with last order. That other anon showed a good example that market buying means you take any offer even if its not the best. Its not selling at the end of the day btw. You cant buy and sell a single security in the day unless you have over 25k in the account. You buy, you are holding. The day thing means your order exists until close of market that day and then is removed regardless of wether it hit or not.

>> No.53108450

Read & Learn

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>I am subscribed to Nasdaq data from my broker so when I am looking at "volume" am I only seeing volume through the Nasdaq exchange? how does it work that a stock is listed on NYSE and Nasdaq and others? As I understand it alot of high frequency trading bots are just arbitraging across these exchanges or do I have that confused?
Yes, there are OTC/pink sheets, smaller exchanges, and dark pools that also transact stocks. The volume and trades there are not really worth consideration unless your portfolio has reached a middle class level (upper 8 figures).

>What about for crypto. Like I can subscribe to free coinbase data so when i loud up a BTCUSD chart am I only seeing the volume going through coinbase?
Generally yes, because there's no one "true" Bitcoin price or single market - just whatever trade last happened on any given exchange. The chart you're loading should specify the exchange ("BTCUSD - Kraken" or "Binance - ETH/USD") for example. There are some aggregators like CoinMarketCap though.

>> No.53108457

Ah okay that makes a lot more sense! I was under the impression it is selling at the end of the day. Thank you for helping, I'll go use some of the resources pointed out and learn more.
Thanks anon!

>> No.53108462

how2buy prty city bonds?

>> No.53108467

you are confused as fuck. Take a deep breathe and forget everything. Market order you instantly buy at the lowest Ask or sell at the highest bid.

Limit order is YOU placing an order on the ASK or the BID. Once price reaches your limit then someone else placing a market order will hit your limit order. For every completed transaction there is 1 limit order and 1 market order. always. There are also "stop" orders and "market if touched" orders which essentially just create the limit or market orders if price reaches that level. There are only limit orders and market orders. Limit order buys can only be placed below the price. Limit order sells can only be placed above.

You can hold your market order position and limit order position for as long as you want.

>> No.53108478

Thank you anon, makes sense!

>> No.53108487

My grandma always said you are never supposed to criticize the president and was a voted religiously. Of course that was until trump got elected and all she did for 4 years is trash talk him and break her own rules. Of course that was probably because she watched the view everyday. Poor seniors don't stand a chance against globohomo brainwashing.

>> No.53108494

>No point in raising rates and QE, it would still contribute to inflation for them.
Sure there is. That's like drinking a beer while pissing. You can still get drunk or dehydrated, just depends on the rate you're doing each.

>> No.53108498

Just bought 441 shares of BOIL, ready for the next rollercoaster.

>> No.53108499

Air force and navy budgets include our nuclear icbm budgets, which are currently transitioning from legacy to next gen. They will not be cut for decades

>> No.53108531

Thank you very much for the answer and reply.
So Nasdaq and NYSE are both exchanges listing a single stock right? on Wiki though for a company next to the ticker it lists an exchange why is that? Like AAPL is sold on NYSE and Nasdaq right? Is there a way to know which exchange transacts more shares? Does my broker choose which exchange it make the transaction on?

For futures contracts they are on an actually centralized exchange right so volume for them is actually all contracts for that future? Or like 99%+ as I think there are also small exchanges that list futures contracts at least I have read that.

I am trying to determine if futures volume on things like ES is even relevant. Like what is really leading the price of SPX? Is it the futures contracts or SPY or actually the complete conglomerate of the 500 listed stocks in SnP500?

>> No.53108536

>our nuclear icbm budgets
How much are we talking here? Ballpark.

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So this guy obviously browsed 4chan right? I could see any one of you being like him.

>> No.53108557

>browsed 4chan
Nah, too White looking.

>> No.53108575

>Like AAPL is sold on NYSE and Nasdaq right?
AAPL is traded on Nasdaq, there’s really no benefit for it dual listing on NYSE too

>> No.53108588

They're not going to cut anything, they're just going to put us in further and further debt. The second they cut welfare is the second people actually riot in the streets because absolutely nothing else would cause them to at this point.

>> No.53108595

>This means you can buy a PRTY bond for $40 and get $1000 at maturity

yeah assuming they dont go bankrupt. if the bond is -97% below par, they're probably going bankrupt and you're not getting any money back

>> No.53108597

>You can hold your market order position and limit order position for as long as you want.

By this i mean lets say you press buy market for 5 shares. Then you insntantly get the top 50 lowest Asking prices. If the stock isn't highly liquid you will get filled at many different price levels as your market order fills your counter parties limit order sells.

Once your market order transaction is complete you now own those 50 shares and you can trade them whenever you want the next 5 minutes or 5 months. If you place a limit order you havn't transacted anything until a counter party market participant hits market order sell into your limit order buy on the bid. With this limit order lets say you have a limit order for 50 shares. But the counter party only market order buys 20 shares into your limit order and then price goes back up. You then only got filled on 20 of your limit orders the 30 orders are still sitteng at that price.

Lets say instead you placed a "market if touched buy" order at a price for 50 shares. Once price reaches that price your software then executes a market order for 50 shares and you will get the 50 lowest asking limit orders.

>> No.53108598

Yet another mass murdering jew.

There are practically no light skinned non-jew mass murderers in the US. It's spics, nigs, and jews.

>> No.53108602

Projection. You see yourself in him therefore everyone in my community must be like me also.

>> No.53108611

I am Jewish so you aren't completely wrong

>> No.53108617

You can't even search for junk bonds on schwab unless you call them. Lowest it goes is BBB- and Baa3 for S&P/Moody's.

>> No.53108618

>One of the Big Short guys, Danny Moses, goes on an on about if you like the company, buy the debt because you are ranked higher than common shareholders and you have a better defined return than stock over a set period.

thats assuming there is any money left over after the bankruptcy. yeah sure, bondholders are ahead in the line of creditors over shareholders, but in all likelihood, neither of you are getting paid back, or the bondholders will get pennies on the dollar and the shareholders get 0

>> No.53108624

Is it listed on both though? I guess a seperate interesting question I hadn't thought of, why would a stock choose to list on NYSE over Nasdaq and vice versa?

Is there a better example of a stock listed on NYSE and Nasdaq? I just chose APPL due to it being such a common traded stock.

>> No.53108627

>So Nasdaq and NYSE are both exchanges listing a single stock right?
Generally a company IPOs (lists its shares) on one of those exchanges and sticks to it. AAPL for example is traded on the Nasdaq while Berkshire Hathaway is on the NYSE.

However there can be alternative markets, BATS for example: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/better-alternative-trading-system-bats.asp

>Does my broker choose which exchange it make the transaction on?
There are rules brokers have to follow so if you place an order they're legally required to look across exchanges and get you the best price available. For example maybe you order a block of shares so your broker snags a couple shares off the Nasdaq, that moves the price there up a tick, so the next couple shares are bought off BATS, that moves *that* price up a tick, and the last few are bought off some proprietary dark pool.

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>/pol/ comment

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Quick question /msg/
Does your boat have a fireplace on it?
Y or N

>> No.53108679

You could get something back even if it goes bankrupt as long as they have assets. The stock on the other hand could go to zero because debtors get the assets first, and what’s left (if anything) goes to shareholders

>> No.53108689

OK I am guessing the exchange the company IPOs on is sort of like now they will work with lets say the people that run the Nasdaq exchange to do things like stock splits etc.

But once the stock is in existence is it kind of like any other exchange can now list the stock if they wanted to?

>> No.53108692

Would you stick your dick in there for a million worth of Tesla stocks?

>> No.53108693

Look anon we know it's your fetish but you really should keep it in your pants long enough to see which board you're on

>> No.53108695

>Is it listed on both though?

>> No.53108703

Is XELA ever going to take off? I'm sick of waiting to be a millionaire.

>> No.53108710

Too high of a maintainance cost, so no. Prefer assets with far lower maintainance to maximize longevity of the investment, or, in the case of hobbies, stick to what I can reasonably use often.

>> No.53108731

that depends on the amount of debt. the senior debt (banks) will get paid first, and then bondholders after that. also, if bankruptcy is declared, you stop receiving principal and interest payments. and the bankruptcy might take years to complete

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>I could see any one of you being like him.
h-hey. shut up.

>> No.53108744

Honestly, I don't even consider this worth your time thinking about. Like, the default chart you look at anywhere will be the largest, appropriate exchange and the volume can be relied on for historical comparison. Plumbing like that and stock splits is a pretty reliably solved problem.

Now if you want a real nightmare rabbit hole to go down, lookup how the bond markets function.

>> No.53108750

So when looking at "volume" data an average retail trader recieves for lets say AAPL through data from the Nasdaq exchange what % of the actual volume of AAPL trading is really being seen?

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It's ok. Your glowie handler already knows anyway.

>> No.53108774

You really shouldn't, but you can get c-bonds through most brokers. Some offer more selection than others. Party City specifically I have no clue kek

That's why I made a sly comment after I said that. It's quite literally too good to be true, because it is.

>> No.53108781

What kind of sick fuck would give me TSLA stock for that?

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>> No.53108813

That volume would be the number of AAPL shares traded on Nasdaq. It’s the only exchange it’s traded on. That’s it.

>> No.53108821

Thank you for the info. It is just a curiosity I have. I am really interesting in the inner workings of it all. Just how my mind works. I like to fill gaps in my knowledge.

Any insight into what I asked in a previous post though? That is the real reason I am asking. Seems like there is a lot of scam courses and frauds selling trading on futures contracts that look into the volume and order flow. I am just trying to decide on what I am really seeing in the volume of index futures contracts. It seems to me all I am really seeing is the sentiment of futures traders on the direction the index will go but they aren't the ones moving the market. Its trading of SPY and the actual 500 stocks that are moving SPX.

"For futures contracts they are on an actually centralized exchange right so volume for them is actually all contracts for that future? Or like 99%+ as I think there are also small exchanges that list futures contracts at least I have read that.

I am trying to determine if futures volume on things like ES is even relevant. Like what is really leading the price of SPX? Is it the futures contracts or SPY or actually the complete conglomerate of the 500 listed stocks in SnP500?"

>Now if you want a real nightmare rabbit hole to go down, lookup how the bond markets function.

This is definitely a massive gap in my knowledge I would like to at least get a rudimentary understanding of. Any suggestions where I can start?

>> No.53108836

Isn't it also traded on NIKKEI and other foreign exchanges? As I understand it it is trading on these foreign exchanges that causes the gap ups and downs in the stocks?

>> No.53108860

*gap ups and downs in the stock at open on US exchanges.

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he doesn't even call me anymore

>> No.53108874

Oh yes of course you can buy AAPL on pretty much any exchange in the world the world these days, including Nikkei and African exchanges, even Pakistan has it I think.

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Anon I enjoyed your post but you forgot the ">" so I'm gonna have to deduct a point from your post. I hope you understand

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Futures are coming

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Will my Jan 22nd puts on QQQ print or will I be down due to crabbing?

$10.52 cost basis on a $250 put (QQQ is currently at $266.28)

>> No.53108930

Foreign listing are typically adrs or holding companies. So you don't get to vote in the parent company. Countries do that for security.

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Uhm fren. Jan 22nd is officially the year of the rabbit and hence the rabbit rally begins.

>> No.53108958

Me too friendo, what's stopping you? Mine is not being able to fathom what is like to not exist

>> No.53108967

Im going all in on CGC when it hits $2.15
Im going to finally make it bros...

>> No.53108970

Then why did you say Nasdaq is the only exchange AAPL is traded on?

OK better way to ask my question. Like I said I am subscribed to Nasdaq data level 2.

Why can I load charts for stocks listed on NYSE? Like V or BAC. And if I do am I seeing the volume of their trading on Nasdaq if they are traded on both or am I seeing the volume on NYSE?

>> No.53108971

he really did it

>> No.53108976

Why CGC? Why not TLRY or GTBIF?

>> No.53108989

>Then why did you say Nasdaq is the only exchange AAPL is traded on?
I said that (it’s true) and you immediately ask is it traded on Nikkei? What do you think the answer is.

>> No.53109010

The only us exchange is nasdaq. Theyre different exchanges with different reporting rules in the US. Nasdaq is mostly tech companies. Volume really doesn't matter and which exchange doesn't really matter either. Don't get caught up with minor details to your investment.

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Why will there be a rally? We seem to only crab downward slowly.

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im ending it all

>> No.53109057

Nasdaq lists 3554 NYSE lists 2400. Are the listings on Nasdaq really mostly tech companies? I thought it was more just the things like the Nasdaq 100 are tech heavy because its highest market cap stocks are tech sector stocks.

>Volume really doesn't matter and which exchange doesn't really matter either. Don't get caught up with minor details to your investment.

I am more of an engineer/mathematician so these intricacies fascinate me. I don't expect an edge or anything from all this. Just feels weird participating with really incomplete knowledge. I know I will never have a really substantial understanding of every corner of the market but I at least desire a rudimentary understanding.

>> No.53109074

I know its not exactly the best thread, but what do you guys in USA like for high yield savings, no minimums or fees? I have my current local credit union but they only give like 0.01% lol.
I have a schwab account for investing, but they are still only 0.43%.

I saw capital one was almost 3.8% which is nuts. I was going to go with them.
Anyone have experience with capital one for savings?

>> No.53109087

Exchanges are just local meetings places for computers to trade. You can plug your computer into nasdaq or nyse to buy stuff listed there. Doesn't really matter because your broker connects for you and you never see the order books unlike crypto exchanges. Its details you are actually blocked from ever seeing. Focus your time on valuing companies and the growth potential of different stuff.

>> No.53109091

PNC Bank is at 4%. That's even better than most online-only banks (for example, my Goldman Sachs Marcus account is only 3.3%)

>> No.53109127

Someone post the picture of the fat man with the diseased asshole, I need to jerk off

>> No.53109142

>Doesn't really matter because your broker connects for you and you never see the order books unlike crypto exchanges.

But you can see level 2 if you want to. Many data services provide full market depth data.

>> No.53109164

I use Capitalone Performance Savings. 3.30%. Mostly cause I already have two credit cards from them to so it was easy to keep things simple.

>> No.53109166

>if you want to
Why would you want to? Most people don't even know which exchange they bought from its all automated in the background.

>> No.53109168

you could do a money market fund. fidelity was at like 3.4%. you could also do US Treasuries, short term. the 1YR UST is yielding 4.7% and only would lock up the money for 1 year - thats probably the best option over a savings account if you dont need the cash at all. the only reason to have a savings account or money market is if you might actually need to withdraw the cash

i'm doing the fidelity money market right now because i want the cash available to buy stocks. if i didnt need the cash available, i would just buy 1YR US Treasuries

>> No.53109169

This question comes up every day, and every day the answer is that savings accounts are dogshit and you should buy treasuries. These banks are just buying treasuries and ripping you off by 1% of the yield.
Why are you debating over a 3.8% return when you can get 4.7% on a 6M treasury, and 4% even on a 1M?

>> No.53109182

This. Banks just take your money and move it to bills/notes or whatever and pocket the difference.

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Nope, I did my duty

>> No.53109207

Savings accounts can prevent you from being forced to sell an asset to pay a liability. Bonds are a pointless middle ground between savings and investment. Keep your emergency fund liquid and put your investments in securities with higher yields

>> No.53109214

watch it with the anti-semitism. they are banning for that stuff nowadays on 4reddit

>> No.53109224

Right that is why I am asking the question about exchanges and volume.

But lets say you are a futures trader. Then you know your transactions are with the CME. And you can see the limit order book for the contracts to any depth with the right data provider.

I find it weird that you would disparage someone desiring knowledge. I get that sort of response a lot. I feel understanding this will improve my confidence in my trades and investments. As it is I hesitate and have anxiety due to these questions always floating around in the back of my mind. I can't just ignore these questions

>> No.53109242

Uh having some cash on hand is good. If it pays you something while your holding it that's even better. v.s paying for something on a credit card that only costs you money (fees) if your unlucky enough to not pay it off in time.

>> No.53109248

>will improve my confidence in my trades and investments.
It won't. That's what I'm telling you. It's pointless chasing of meaningless data. Something midwits do. The foreign volume for Apple isn't going to drive its price. The new iPhone sales will. Unless you are trading with hundreds of millions stop wasting your time on that stuff.

>> No.53109266

>Keep your emergency fund liquid and put your investments in securities with higher yields
This is great advice, but they’re only having this discussion because they don’t want (or are afraid to) to buy stocks

>> No.53109288

Also to me the more data the better so if I have decided to enter a position watching how a stocks order book has played out can help pick an entry just like looking for unusual options levels. This is all data driven and the limit orders in the book can give a real idea of sentiment even if much of it is spoofing and iceberg orders. At the end of the day market orders have to hit limit orders so the limit orders that are visible in the book always have meaning. And there are more real visible limit orders than not.

>> No.53109300

Of course you would know that, jEW

>> No.53109302

I'm not the original author, but it's simply called not keeping all of your eggs in one fucking basket, for me it's:
>Checking account: 5.61%
>Savings account 1: 13.57%
>Savings account 2: 20.47%
>Stocks, options, leveraged ETFs: 27.65%
>Vanguard funds: 32.70%

>> No.53109304


up to 4.25% on savings, keeps cash liquid

>> No.53109310

Now is the time to buy

>> No.53109317

>doesn't understand duration
>doesn't know what t-bills are
>doesn't know that treasuries are tax-advantaged
>doesn't even know the difference between saving and checking account
You guys never disappoint.

>> No.53109321

I just want to play videogames and draw, I hate actively managing a portfolio even tho its 10 clicks to sell calls in x amount

I dont wanna worry about shit

>> No.53109326

>At the end of the day market orders have to hit limit orders so the limit orders that are visible in the book always have meaning
Kek no. You should try trading a while first before chasing all this theory. Just look at the volume of options at each level. Fidelity shows it on their options table. But you won't see a predictable result from it. Better to study actual companies growth profiles than get lost in a smoke of volume.

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market is closed
also JPow is still pooping, don't interrupt

>> No.53109337

>40% cash
>60% high risk or very high risk
That’s a barbell strategy and pretty much the same thing that was just described

>> No.53109338

I just got robinhood gold @ 4%

>> No.53109341

>It won't. That's what I'm telling you.
But it will because until I understand this I will always be curious how this all works. To not desire an understanding of the intricacies of the market I think is the real midwit behavior just participating in a game they do not understand or they cope with telling themselves they don't need to know.

>It's pointless chasing of meaningless data.
Data is data. You clearly are advocating for studying loads of fundamental data which I would say much of that is meaningless data.

>The foreign volume for Apple isn't going to drive its price.
I never said it would it is just a curiosity. And like I said the trading on the foreign exchanges DAX and FTSE does move the price of the stock causing the stock price to gap at the open on the US exchanges. Often times that gap never closes so you were just not allowed to enter or exit a position while the market was moving.

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>> No.53109374

Posting certain rabbits should be unbannable in this rabbity year

>> No.53109384

Bretty good

>> No.53109387

rabbits under the age of consent are bannable, as it should be you sick fuck

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reminder: still not time to buy
stand back and stand by

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Holy fuck we need a new thread

>> No.53109465

>real midwit behavior just participating in a game they
The game that matters here is the investment thesis. Not back end fintech programming. Midwits get obsessed over red herrings thinking there is something significant there. There isn't. You aren't even going to see real volume as otc orders can happen. Just buy a company because you think it's got a banger product coming out.

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>> No.53109473

Is that fucking bird jerking off its’ little bird pecker?

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>> No.53109488

Is it just me who feels the urge to both sexo these whores and then beat them to death with a hammer?

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it's simulating raindrops falling on the grass to catch worms

>> No.53109545

How the fuck did a seagull come up with that? They should team up so the worms think there’s a strom

>> No.53109588

Brilliant writeup anon. Will always come back to refer to this

>> No.53109625

>Not back end fintech programming.
I am interested in this beyond making money though. I enjoy complex systems.

>Midwits get obsessed over red herrings thinking there is something significant there.
My original questions were not presenting the questions like there was anything significant there to make money. It is all just curiosity.

What do you think is the main contributor of SPX increasing or decreasing intraday? Is it traders trading SPY, ES, or the individual traders trading individual stocks in SPX? Or is it something else? Arbitrage across sectors stocks and indexes dictates movement across all of these correct?

Which is why if you watch the SPX sector ETFs they often all aren't very correlated in the first hours of the day but then basically every sector ETF moves nearly identical to SPX into the close.

How much does the movement of the highly liquid highly weighted stocks in SPX and Nasdaq 100 dictate movements in the rest of the broader stockmarket? What % of intraday behavior is arbitrage from AAPL as its 6% weighted in SPX and 11% weigthed in Nasdaq 100?

>> No.53109702

I don't know if you are serious but there are grammer errors in it and its kinda scuff so I fixed it:

Lets say you press buy market for 50 shares. Then you instantly get the top 50 lowest Asking prices. If the stock isn't highly liquid you will get filled at many different price levels as your market order fills the counter parties limit order sells at the 50 lowest asks.

Once your market order transaction is complete you now own those 50 shares and you can trade them whenever you want the next 5 minutes or 5 months.

If you place a limit order buy you haven't transacted anything until a counter party market participant hits market order sell into your limit order buy on the bid. With this limit order lets say you have a limit order buy for 50 shares. But the counter party only market order sells 20 shares into your limit order buy. But then other traders start market order buying into the limit order asks. You still have 30 buy orders sitting on the bid but the market buys are pushing price up by clearing out limit order sells on the Ask. You then only got filled on 20 of your limit orders but you got filled all at the same exact price.

Lets say instead you placed a "market if touched buy" order at a price for 50 shares. Once price reaches that price your software then executes a market order for 50 shares and you transact with the 50 lowest asking limit orders.

>> No.53109717

What’s astonishing to me is you wonder if AAPL is traded on Nikkei

>> No.53109782

I don't wonder that it is traded on NIKKEI I know it is. But I guess you know that I know that. I just don't know how. Which is why I am asking for clarification. I just find this all interesting. I think the other anon was actually helpful and has me now reading on ADRs so I thank him. Can you offer any insights or just going to really continue to encourage not asking questions?

>> No.53109852

Good luck with the trading and have a nice day.

>> No.53109886

i can't believe smg is fucking dead

>> No.53109926

>Checking account: 5.61%
>Savings account 1: 13.57%
>Savings account 2: 20.47%
>Stocks, options, leveraged ETFs: 27.65%
>Vanguard funds: 32.70%
For a second I thought these were interest rates instead of portfolio weights kek

>> No.53109940

Yes, you found out my secret, I live in Zimbabwe

>> No.53109945
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>When that Eurozone PPI flows through to rates

>> No.53110179

Difference between savings 1 and 2?
different provider?

>> No.53110252

Yeah. Savings 1 is with my main bank, so keeping money in there gets me some extra "relationship" bonuses, so I kept the account even though it paid 0.01% for a long time. Savings 2 is with an online bank that paid a higher rate. Then suddenly my bank increased their rate ABOVE even the online bank, so now I'm dumping cash into that one