/biz/ - Business & Finance

[Anonymous No.5308738]

>earn my money with crypto trading
>everyone I tell about it gets super butthurt because I usually make around 3000 dollar per trade (takes sometimes less than a day of waiting)
>even my own sister hates me now

why?

[Anonymous No.5308847]

>>5308738
jealousy you autist

[Anonymous No.5308903]

>>5308847
this sucks, why are they jealous? They had the same opportunity to invest that I had, I even told them about it months ago, they didn‘t listen.

[Anonymous No.5308957]

>>5308738
Congrats, you're learning something about human nature. When you find people who are indifferent or happy for you, you know who could be worth your time.

[Anonymous No.5308969]

>>5308903
>I even told them about it months ago, they didn‘t listen.
mega levels of butthurt

[Anonymous No.5309120]

>>5308957
I thought my parents and my sister would be happy for me because they always were good people in my eyes, but they are not, they constantly try to FUD and get completely butthurt.
With my friends its even worse, they‘re wagecucks and I also shilled them ETH at 30 and later Monero at 32, nobody listened and they also shit all over my Trading profession, they say its not a real job, its not real money etc.

I‘m really sad because even tho I made good money nobody is happy for me. You know when something good happened to them I was happy for them, doesn‘t work the other way around for some reason.

[Anonymous No.5309190]

>>5309120
Keep your financials to yourself next time. Of course your normie wagecuck friends and family would be envious of you.

[Anonymous No.5309206]

>>5309120
I am happy for you anon.

[Anonymous No.5309234]

This is why you don’t tell anyone you dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.5309235]

most people are scumbags

stop expecting so much from normie retards, even if they are your family, especially if they are your family

[Anonymous No.5309265]

>>5308738

They want you to fail. They are invested in your failure. They cast you in a role, and you are deviating from their screenplay. You have outwitted the System. They are the slaves, you told them of a potential way to greater freedom, and you are escaping the plantation. They did not listen.

I got fuckin slaughtered by the crypto market, and only ZenCash and Litecoin saved me. Only now that Mr Shit In My Mouth McAfee is shilling my bags full of shitcoins am I making big profits.

I got fucked over, I don't even know you, and I'm not even mad at you or your success. These cunts know you, your sister is your blood, and they hate you for it.

Remember that in every interaction with them from now on. No mercy, no tears, no helping hand. You give what you get, or you're gonna be cannibalized and picked clean.

[Anonymous No.5309289]

>>5308738
Why are you even telling them, fuck em when they have to be low tier wagecucks and you're the only one with lambos

[Anonymous No.5309292]

>>5309120
You're doing good anon, be happy for yourself.

We're rooting for you

[Anonymous No.5309296]

>>5308738
People are fucking jealous bitches. Don't even tell your best friends if you make it big or they'll resent you slowly.

At the most you can tell your parents if you're close with them because they're literally the only people on Earth who are genuinely happy with your successes.

If your parents are mentally ill though forget about it.

[Anonymous No.5309297]

>>5309190
Feels bad man, but I also got a bit butthurt because they all think I‘m simply leeching from my parents so I had to say something to not look like a hikki NEET in their eyes, thought I‘d get atleast more respect but nope.

>>5309206
Thanks bro, I appreciate it.

>>5309234
I know I shouldn‘t have done it but my damn dignity forced me.

>>5309235
Yea I also know that but I thought my family wasn‘t scumbags, they were always fair to me, but now, nope not anymore.

[Anonymous No.5309298]

>>5309235
/thread

[Anonymous No.5309341]

I made 300k a few days ago. Those money are fucking huge in Russia. All my friends hate me too, because average salary here is around 500$. I know that feel, anon.

[Anonymous No.5309348]

>>5309120
Pay them to like you.

[Anonymous No.5309357]

>>5309265
>They want you to fail.

yeah this. Telling family about cryptocurrency and realizing this is the worst feeling.

[Anonymous No.5309408]

>>5309120
I'm happy for you anon. Keep making it, and don't give those fakes the time of day.

[Anonymous No.5309412]

>>5308738
why the fuck do you need to tell fuck all what and how much you do

fucking retard. i bet you have a reddit account.

[Anonymous No.5309437]

>>5309357
this is an important, most people are petty as fuck and want you to fail

this is worst in mediocre people, all the normie retards who do "just enough", they will forever be envious of anyone who is successful

>its lonely at the top
is not just a meme

[Anonymous No.5309450]

Ok, look you LARP asshole, get a fucking girlfriend, make more money, buy house, have kids, start your own family, make new friends in the process and who gives a shit? We're men, we all move on (hopefully) and just do our thing, this is your wake up call to be a man now, so, move on.

Here's the crazy thing, once you move on, you won't even think about them, they won't affect you, they'll hold onto their hate and be down until they learn to move on. Welcome to life.

[Anonymous No.5309507]

>>5309120
>You know when something good happened to them I was happy for them, doesn‘t work the other way around for some reason.
Because you're not playing the same game that they are. You're not making the same sacrifices, playing by the same rules, or sharing the same reality. You're in your own little world, doing everything against common sense and wisdom, and you're getting rewarded for it when you should be getting punished. Why wouldn't they be resentful?

[Anonymous No.5309563]

>>5308738
Congrats. Welcome to jew club.

[Anonymous No.5309570]

>>5309120
Fuck those people. Sucks it's your family, gotta live with that, but fuck your friends. I have jealous acquaintances gritting at their teeth for it to crash because they hate the success. Sending every little msm link they can about bubbles and tulips and hackers and drug dealers, like it means shit to me. Those people are losers and always will be. Not because they're poor, but because they're bitter.

[Anonymous No.5309593]

>>5309265
They FUD my coins harder than /biz/ pajeets on ADHD medication, maybe I orchestrate a crash and pretend I‘m wagecuck again. But you‘re right, they all want me to fail.

Fucking devastating realization.

>>5309289
Because I take pride in crypto trading, its what I‘m good at, the thing that gives my Life a reason again, I thought I share that happiness with people that were close to me.

>>5309292
I am happy but everyone else isn‘t, thanks for the kind word bro.

>>5309296
I was trying to get them on board but they did not listen and now I‘m the bad guy in their eyes somehow. I tried to help them but they ignored me and rather wasted their time shitposting on /pol/.

>>5309341
Do you plan to abandon them all now?
I think about it because I don‘t see why I should drag myself down with their constant bitching.

>>5309348
Now they expect gifts and other shit from my crypto gains but still FUD the shit out of it.
They shit on me all fuckig year and expect gifts.

>>5309412
No I have no reddit account, I always been home here on 4chan.

>>5309450
I know man but its still sad to have to leave people you knew for so long and thought were decent people.
Now they basically force me to abandon them. also no LARP, I actually really make good trades.

[Anonymous No.5309685]

>>5309593
Share your knowledge with your /biz/ family

[Anonymous No.5309717]

>>5309593
I'm happy for you bro. Congrats on your success. Cheers to even more success in 2018.

[Anonymous No.5309786]

>>5309593
Do this OP. Once you make some insane gains, tell them that you made a bad choice and lost all your money. See how they react. If they start acting smug then say "just kidding suckers" and show them your blockfolio. Livestream it.

[Anonymous No.5309848]

>>5309786
Yes please this. That'll be a great /biz/ party thread

[Anonymous No.5309850]

I feel you OP, realizing I shouldn't tell my family about this.

I quit a job that paid my $172k but was killing me, flying around the country for 3 years. Never spent more than 14 days in one time zone during that time.

Bought into cryptos a few years ago, now my holdings are worth around $500k and I paid off my student loans. Parents think I'm a total bum investing in tulips.

Now just try not to talk about it but I'm constantly getting hounded to get another job despite the fact that I'm making about the same amount of money and I'm not on an airplane every 4 days.

[Anonymous No.5309853]

>>5309593

Keep your crypto secure. If they don't want you to prosper, then they're only one step away from stealing from you.

[Anonymous No.5309868]

>>5309570
Yea my friends also constantly send me MSM blogpost bullshit about bubbles and how it pops any minute.
>then BTC suddenly goes from 5k to 18k
I didn‘t even make THAT much with that pump but everyone started to treat me a bit different and their behavior got worse.

>>5309685
>buy alts on sale
>sell them a few days later when they pump again
>stare at charts all day

>>5309717
Only fellow /biz/ bros understand.
normalcucks would never wish me success.
Feels sad but atleast I‘m not completely alone, thanks bro I also wish you the best.

>>5309786
I thought about blaming hackers or something, then say I got a job in a different town and move in my own house doing my crypto stuff in peace.
No idea why I haven‘t done it already, guess I was too lauy/comfy to finally make the move that is needed.

[Anonymous No.5309895]

>>5308738

> my own sister hates me

you know what you have to do

[Anonymous No.5309940]

>>5309120
>>5308738
>>5309120
Op I learned that ther hard way when I started a successful business .
It was a 100% legit business, not some crypto stuff and they still reacted that way. It doesnt matter what you do, 90% of people are like that. Even if you work 14 hours a day for your wealth and slave away every weekend they will think you dont deserve it when you arent a wagecuck like them.
Luckily it only happened to me with friends (ALL OF THEM) not family.

Listen to >>5308957

basically people you know from high school, college etc are normie scum that will hate you once they see you are superior to them.
You have to get yourself into circles of people that share the entrepeneurial mindset and are looking to learn and improve.

[Anonymous No.5309948]

>>5309868
>I thought about blaming hackers or something,
No the point is to rub it in their faces, not to make them think that they were right all along. But move regardless.

[Anonymous No.5309958]

>>5309570
holy shit now I see it too... I have a step-brother that always send me shitty links and fucking FUD articles all the time, I didn't even tell him I was making a lot of money.

Fucking crab bucket syndrom

[Anonymous No.5310019]

>>5308738

>tfw dad gave me a hug and cried when I told him I had over 100k

He didn't ask for anything, he just wanted me and my family to live a comfortable life. Its too bad your family is like that OP

[Anonymous No.5310021]

>>5309120
buy a fucking lambo and laugh in their faces

[Anonymous No.5310029]

>>5308738
I still like you, OP. I want to be you one day. I'm still trying to figure it all out, to learn how to time the endless pump-and-dump scams. I don't want to be a wage-slave normie any more.

[Anonymous No.5310030]

>>5309850

>constantly getting hounded to get another job

Boomers? Funny for a generation of welfare queens who sold off their unborn kids for gibs to preach this shit. I guess it applies to Gen X too, but less so. Even they were born fucked.

[Anonymous No.5310136]

>>5308738
make them more butthurt by being richer
https://discord.gg/srFAtER

[Anonymous No.5310265]

>>5309593
>I know man but its still sad to have to leave people you knew for so long and thought were decent people.
Now they basically force me to abandon them. also no LARP, I actually really make good trades.

It's always sad to move on, but if you didn't move on and sell when you needed to then you wouldn't be where you're at.

Moving on is life man, there's so much out there, don't FUD on life bro, get the fuck out there and live it. Start life early, make mistakes early, learn early. You have a shot at something more valuable than money LARP dude, go get it. If your dad didn't, you wouldn't be here, GO!

[Anonymous No.5310279]

>>5309853
Parents have no idea how computers even work, they have no deep knowledge to get to my keys.
Same with my sister, she is tech illiterate like my parents.
My friends refused to learn about crypto and they have no idea what a private key even is.
That said I also have it secured in ways so only I can find it.

>>5309850
You did the right thing man, your own health is more important and if you can make more with crypto its better than wagecucking. You did good.

>>5309895
Her life is a burning dumpster anyway, she never listened and never bothered when I gave her good advice.

I don‘t even know why I still care.

>>5309940
You got really lucky with your family, wish mine was more like that.
I wish I could have known all this before I told them anything about it.

>>5309948
I don‘t really want to rub it in, thats just not my thing.

>>5310019
No idea where my dad stands in all of this, sometimes he FUDs but sometimes he seems to understand. Still didn‘t take my help when I offered it to him.

>>5310021
I‘m not nigga rich and Lambo looks like a pain in the ass to maintain (taxes, insurance etc.)

>>5310029
Don‘t make the same mistakes like I did, don‘t tell anyone about your crypto.
The dissapointment I got is one of the worst things I ever experienced.
Changed completely how I look at the people around me, like they all took their masks off.

[Anonymous No.5310282]

>>5309940

I've been in total depression/anger for years over this lol, I hate how they are all lazy and constantly tell you to work less, almost literally. "oh dont get too excited over such things"... mate, if you dont get excited over something work related in your life, what the hell else are you doing all day?

At this point I found Jesus and I just call them demonically influenced, I got no other explanation that fits it. It makes no sense, it's just bad demonic influences that make them want to drag everyone else down to win instead of working hard in healthy competition so everyone wins.

[Anonymous No.5310365]

youre making yourself a potential target for thieves you twat. tell people you lost it all accidentaly and shut up about it.

[Anonymous No.5310441]

they don't hate you because you're making money, they hate you because you're bragging.

if some billionaire dude came up to you and starting talking about how much money he made and how easy it was you would hate him too.

[Anonymous No.5310483]

>>5308738
May I ask what kind of strategy you use? Also what skills in particular would you say are the most useful?

[Anonymous No.5310484]

>>5310441

that would be an excuse except he shilled it to them

[Anonymous No.5310507]

>>5308738
Can't you just make money and shut the fuck up about it like everyone else?
I guess you prance around and scold everybody like a vegan at a bbq.

[Anonymous No.5310598]

>>5310483
Buy low and sell high, watch charts all day. I didn‘t study anything about it, just learned by doing it, invested in the most promising projects.
Thats all there is to it.

>>5310441
But I offered them to show them how it works so they could also make money, but they didn‘t listen.

[Anonymous No.5310658]

>>5310484
it's still bragging. OP says he sometimes makes $3000 per trade, why would someone else even care about the details? If my family or anyone who isn't a close friend asked me about what I did I would just say I have an internet business, they don't need to know how much I make or what I do

[Anonymous No.5310672]

Probably because you don't shut the fuck up about like an autist

[Anonymous No.5310735]

>>5309120
your family sounds stupid as fuck lol looks like you're the only one who got the good genes

[Anonymous No.5310772]

>be you
>have $300,000 in crypto
>can't cash out

LMAO

[Anonymous No.5310855]

>>5310598

I'm just getting I to this for real on the daily. I rode the antshare and then bitcoin wave. I'm sitting on a bit of coin right now, but it was based on research into cool coins. I bought ant shares at a 1.37. The thing is, I don't know how to actually say trade. I've read some material on walls and patterns, but it's been difficult to predict. Especially considering the ask prices change every single second. How do you go about it?

[Anonymous No.5310860]

>>5309120
>I‘m really sad because even tho I made good money nobody is happy for me.

They can't be happy for you because they hate themselves. The only thing that matters is whether you're happy with yourself. You sound proud of your accomplishment. I'm proud of you making it.

[Anonymous No.5310880]

>>5310772
I hear those things all day long, I actually use my gains to pay for health insurance, taxes and insurance and gas for my car, even buy food with it.
I‘m trying not to spend too much because I want to be richer.

[Anonymous No.5310961]

>>5309120
Who gives a shit? friends are overrated, family is disappointing, but we are proud of you. We're all gonna make it bro. Enjoy your gains.

[Anonymous No.5310982]

>>5310282
>I've been in total depression/anger for years over this lol,
Me too anon. Basically you have to sort people into categories in your head. Im an edgy cunt so I think of them as subhumans and humans
I have 2 sets of behavior for them.

- Business savy people that do get exited for new things and are able to actually have a duscussion about things (humans) I open up to and learn from and try to help whenever I can in a productive manner.

- Subhumans I just let talk and fake interest in the boring normie things they do. Like really really listen to them. ask follow up questions etc but never go into detail about anything I do. I dont offer them advice or any insight because productive advice from you would make them like you less.
For instance:

Normie has money problem?
My reaction: "Oh shit, normie, that sucks. How come?"
Normie: "hurrdurr blaming evrybody but myself bro"
Me: "Oh yea your boss sounds like a right cunt. Hurr hur [useless smalltalk ensues]"

Just keep them going talking about their boring normie selfes and they will like you.

[Anonymous No.5311010]

>>5309341
Good for you man

[Anonymous No.5311083]

how do you gainfags cash out? not the whole thing but like a portion. through tether or is there any other way ??

[Anonymous No.5311117]

>>5310855
I watch the orderbook during a pump and then sell along the way, buy back when alts bleed and repeat.
The good projects like REQ, LINK, ICX, Wabi, ripple also monero and ETH have been very good to me.

>>5310860
I am very proud and just wanted to share my success with my family and friends, turns out they‘re filled with hate.

>>5310961
I try to enjoy myself but this whole family thing made me really depressed. I just expected more of them. But you‘re right.

>>5310982
I did this to some degree, some friends seemed like real humans tho, the wageslave grind however turned them into Subhumans over time.
I agree with your post completely, better play „dumb“ around normalfags to avoid certain topics.

[Anonymous No.5311183]

>>5311083
I use a different exchange every month and only cash out small amounts like 700 bucks a month, sometimes less. Taxman and banks don‘t seem to care, laws are also somewhat grey area.

[Anonymous No.5311200]

>>5308903
Senpai you need to understand how normies think. Think about regular day jobs. Normies keep asking questions, just bullshit them. I frequent /fit/ and /o/ about 7 years now. I'm fairly fit and can work on my own shit. When normies ask me what exercises I do or how I do my own maintenance I just bullshit them
>Exercises? Sorry senpai, I just play football with friends and have a fast metabolism
If you actually try to open their eyes, they get butthurt and defensive because you provided information that conflicts with their world view.

Treat them like children basically

[Anonymous No.5311255]

>>5309593
>Do you plan to abandon them all now?
Hey OP Im >>5309940

In my case I abandoned them all since it didnt seem salvagable. I also got the feeling they were starting to think its ok to fuck me over on small amounts of money or things because I was doing well.
Basically once they entered that mode I decided I could never trust them on anything serious again and what good is such a friend


Now I have a new circle I carefully cultivated. Mostly small business guys that own their own shit, freelancers, affiliate marketers. Those kind of people have the entrepeneurial mindset.

Meetup.com is a great way to find self-made people from industries you are interested in

[Anonymous No.5311267]

>>5311200
But kinda sucks to play dumb around people and avoid topics you would like to talk about.

[Anonymous No.5311364]

>>5311267
Thats the only way to deal with subhumans stuck in a marxist mindset. You cant let them know you may be batter at one thing or another or that you may have made better choices than the, at some point.

[Anonymous No.5311373]

>>5311267
Yeah I get you senpai, but that's what (gud) friends are for. I'm currently doing an MD/PhD combined study and research track and most of my current friends I only encountered in uni. They actually seem to accept information conflicting with their view and are willing to engage in a conversation about it instead of
>NUH UH!!! THAT'S NOT TRUE REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I genuinely hope you'll encounter non-dumb people

[Anonymous No.5311407]

>>5311255
During my crypto trade adventure I met some good people who know how to appreciate crypto and the gains that come with it, I hope I can build better friendships with them in the future.
My normalfag friends are distancing themselves further and further every day tho.

Also the thing about small amounts of money, I shared a filesharing account with a friend and we agreed that everyone pays 50%. Last time took months to get my 10 bucks back because „LOL I know you don‘t need it THAT urgent ;)“

[Anonymous No.5311411]

>>5308738
stop fucking talking about it.

did you know that the majority of serious crimes (murder, bank robbery, etc) are solved because the criminal talks about it to someone and then gets turned in? and that if they just wanted to go murder people, but then never ever talk about it to anyone under any circumstance, they'd probably get away with it?

it's the same with anything in life, just keep your fucking mouth shut. the desire to gossip is a psychological fault. no matter how happy you are, if you buy a coin for $0.0001 and it goes up to $1000 and you just made $32 million dollars, keep your fucking mouth shut about it, internalize it, just stop talking to people, not your brother, not your best friend, not your mom or dad or favourite uncle, or even your girlfriend or wife, tell no one anything ever

[Anonymous No.5311440]

>>5311200
This.
When they realize this anon works out X hours per day to be /fit/ they are confronted with the fact they themselfes are lazy as fuck. They will resent you for that.

[Anonymous No.5311441]

>>5308738
When you hit a certain level of income and/or networth, almost everyone in your life will hate you. This can include family members as much as anyone else. Poverty and misery are gravity, they're always trying to pull you back by whatever means they can. At least those people hate you in a way that is obvious once you get over your disbelief and confusion, so they're easy to filter out. The real fun is when the further and faster you go, all those saints you start running into trying to be your friends with all their sad stories and statements about how money isn't everything while they steal social security checks from their live-in parents. They hate you probably more than the former group, but with the added bonus of being somewhat scared of you. The moment you make it known to them in anyway that they aren't entitled to the fruits of your labor, you'll never see smiles turn into snarls so quickly. You'll never see people that formerly were trying to sell themselves like they were Mr. and Mrs. Rogers so quickly turn into the most vile greedy amateur attorneys you can imagine. Stick with people in your socioeconomic range.

[Anonymous No.5311476]

>>5309120
The only people i've found that will be happy at your success are other successful people

[Anonymous No.5311660]

>>5311411
I only told close friends and my family about it, I didn‘t go full gains disclosure, just talked about some trades, quickly realized my mistake.
Won‘t make the same mistake ever again.

>>5311440
Makes sense that poorfag normies would react that way.

>>5311441
My bullshit detector is very good so I don‘t easily fall for scams or people trying to gain my trust for exchange of money.
I‘m not worried about them for now but I know they will come out of the woodwork to somehow get my money.
Fuck em all.

[None !!Ij/hXc5Js0r No.5311793]

>>5308738
People are jealous by nature. I get attacked all the time on here because of who I am, what I have done, the life I have lived, and the fun I have on here. But that is a small percentage of Anons. Family is wierd. they expect to go on with their own lives independent of even their own Father, and expect their Father to be patiently waiting for them on the rare occasion when they have time for him. I have so many other things going on now, and now Crypto has filled the remaining limited slot. So, the Family looks pretty askance at my crypto trading. It is what it is.

[Anonymous No.5311854]

>>5311793
Chad? Is that you?

[Anonymous No.5311871]

>>5309120
Your friends suck, buy some nice shit and reality will click for them but I'd suggest being above that. They can't call it fake money then, but if reality clicks they might try to rob you lol...

[Anonymous No.5311940]

Made 175000 off my btc holdings

All my "friends" hate me now
I'm 17 years so I guess everyone my age is a stuck up cunt

[Anonymous No.5311962]

>>5311660
Yep just keep playing the game and remember it's not enough to know, you also need to be able to act on what you know. I made that mistake in the past. I sort of knew some people in my life were those sycophantic types, but I still felt bad and helped them when I could. Times aren't always good and you can't be everyone's personal welfare office, so I "re-prioritized." I learned for people like that you can do 9 amazing things for them, but the first time you say no or turn them down, all of your 9 things are meaningless. The lesson is to not bother wasting money or time on the initial 9. Other than that, it's part of life and at least in my case, you learn by mistakes. On a positive note I will say when you meet those other entrepreneurial types you will never connect with people so quickly. Keep taking intelligent and calculated risks. Keep getting better. We all die eventually. no matter how safe you played it.

[Anonymous No.5311964]

>>5311940
Sadly its not about age. Happens everywhere

[Anonymous No.5312032]

>>5311964
>>5311962
>>5311940
>>5311871
>>5311854
>>5311793
>>5311660
>>5311476
>>5311441
>>5311440
So the best way to cash out, is to cash out small amounts every month through different exchanges?

[Anonymous No.5312093]

anyone here came out with serious gains? like 10-20M+?

[Anonymous No.5312122]

>>5312093
>anyone here came out with serious gains? like 10-20M+?

[Anonymous No.5312130]

>>5308738
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-21/tax-free-bitcoin-to-ether-trading-in-u-s-to-end-under-gop-plan

Better pay up goy. IRS wants their cut

[Anonymous No.5312132]

>>5311793

You sound like an asshole

[Anonymous No.5312150]

>>5308738

you: hey mom I made 5k today playing craps! I can't wait to do it again tomorrow

mom: Gambling isn't going to make you money long term

you: waaaaaaaaaah they're butthurt waaaaaaaaaah

Enjoy the ride while it lasts.

[Anonymous No.5312192]

The more people bitch on you, the better you are doing.

Life lessons i've learned

[None !!Ij/hXc5Js0r No.5312256]

>>5311854
Yes. I admittedly was a Chad. I had all the girls. Graduated Junior High as Student Council President and Valedictorian. In high school things took a turn for the worse. I was shipped out to a school where that caste was already in place. A gang of them would find me whenever they could. I learned to street fight down and dirty pretty quick. One day when I was being brought in to a cell block as the others were going to a hospital, an Anon was reviewing my files. He was in a suit instead of a uniform. He took me in a van to The Thunderbird Institute and administered a 4 day psych profile and Abstract Reasoning Exam. The rest is history. To others, I am still Chad. In the malls, the females young to old still stare. I look right through them. I am devoid of feeling. I have a family. it was necessary. I care for them and do my duty by them. I am devoid of feeling. 4 Chan is a place where I can fantasize I am a Normie or a Basement dwelling neet and forget my real life, and responsibilities. I can lash out at people who are wastes of skin without repercussion. Who I am irl mandates that I accept wastes of skin for who they are, unless they are under Contract.

[Anonymous No.5312309]

>>5311793
You said BTC was going to moon a couple days ago

[Anonymous No.5312312]

>>5310982

well at least try a few times with the absolute truth and if they get angry or dismissive then just aim to stop the conversation.
I got messed up way too many times but such gaslighters who tell you obvious lies that they must obviously know to be lies but hey, just repeat it blabla who cares, nothing matters anyway, haha, inner values matter more than the body, money doesnt make you happy blabla.
These kind of retard sayings piss me off, for example some dude tried to tell me how okay and great it is to cheat the welfare office and I just told him, hey I dont care what you do but dont try to sell me this, stealing and lying is wrong, period. He got pretty pissed but I am not going to let my character get soiled by implicit consent to this shit, it went on for far too long already and I'm too old to just tolerate bullcrap if I dont have to.

[Anonymous No.5312342]

>>5312122
hi

[Anonymous No.5312404]

>>5309120
Fuck the normies,

You're on here with us now, and in the future or the next life us bizraelis will form a tightly knit ingroup

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5312449]

>>5312256

Thanks for hanging around here. It wouldn't be as fun without you.

[Anonymous No.5312555]

>>5312130
Yeah, this was already inevitable. Though it's still unclear... they will waste so much time trying to track down transactions to evaluate the historical data on any particular trade between two currencies that it's just not feasible to go after anyone making under a million dollars... and even that is probably too small to waste time going after. Just get a good tax guy and try to keep your purchases all in 1 or 2 places, as well as your sales.

[Anonymous No.5312601]

>>5311793
why do you capitalize random words?

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5312606]

>>5312309

I remember him saying pumping BTC makes sense for wall street before shorting it. He aborted on his claims after I made 5% listening to him. Haven't been in BTC since, except to make some gains on XMR (which he again, suggested).

The problem with oldfagbiztard is you have to REALLY CAREFULLY read his posts. REALLY CAREFULLY.

(Because really smart people sometimes forget to dumb things down for the rest of us - it's hard work for them to dumb things down).

Reading with comprehension does happen on 4chan. Just not often enough.

[None !!Ij/hXc5Js0r No.5312610]

>>5312309
Case in point. *Sigh* I said the Koreans would pump it. they did.

[Anonymous No.5312645]

>>5310021
YES! Even if it's a stupid financial decision, it will be worth the psychological trauma you inflict on jealous people.

Get the cheapest one, idiot haters don't know the difference.

[Anonymous No.5312691]

>>5308903
Because in their minds you are inferior to them.
That's why you never tell and just let them think what they want.

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5312699]

>>5312610

Can confirm - watched the bithumb pumping like he called it. The pumping just fell apart at some point (wall street didn't catch on like they were supposed to).

[None !!Ij/hXc5Js0r No.5312700]

>>5312601
Because I am speaking in code to other intelligent anons like this.>>5312606

[Anonymous No.5312751]

>>5311267
>But kinda sucks to play dumb around people and avoid topics you would like to talk about.

tell me about it

>>5311373
whats your phd track in?

[Anonymous No.5312772]

>>5310279
All said and done some supercars and GT cars are surprisingly user friendly. You can do your own maintenance on alot of stuff on the huracan, and on most 911's. Hell, most 911's even have maintenance videos on kiketube

[Anonymous No.5312932]

>>5312751
About the pathophysiology, prevention and treatment of acute heart failure in the context of ''Healthy Aging''. My uni (and attached university medical center) are really focusing on this.

A friend of mine is doing research into pic related. It's a needle-less blood glucose measuring device. Shit's gonna be rad

[Anonymous No.5312941]

>>5308738
Because it doesn't seem fair to wagecucks. People don't like having to work every day for the rest of their lives barely affording to live and never retiring. People who play in the stock market are dirty dirty gamblers to most of society.

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5312942]

>>5308738

The don't hate you, anon. They're just too absorbed with their own feelings of being miserable.

You're sticking a knife in their biggest wounds.

They want to feel respected - and through school and society they've only learned to get a feeling of respect by tearing others down.

When you want to feel respected for your gains, that's EXACTLY what they're missing.

Show them as much honest respect as you can, anon. If you want to be respected, show respect.

If showing respect is hard for you, anon, then you're as messed up as they are. (And it won't help if you try to escape this problem in yourself).

I've been a smartfag for a long time trying to get respect by proving others are wrong.

Guess what - never helped actually getting others to respect me. And when others didn't respect me, I didn't respect myself.

That's why life is shitty for smart people - they don't get others want to feel respected.

You can find MORE ways to respect others, because you're smart.

When a smart person respects a dumb person, imagine the dumb person's joy. And giving them that joy costs you nothing.

By showing you're smarter (or better off - which school has taught us is the same thing, which is wrong) ... you're depriving them of respect.

Try taking away a guy's respect (like your dad's). Often results in violence.

Your sister doesn't hate you - she hates herself and she's just projecting her hate onto you. Because she doesn't respect herself, and you aren't helping, anon.

[Anonymous No.5313031]

>>5312941
>it doesn't seem fair to wagecucks
It ISN'T fair

so hate the game not the player

[Anonymous No.5313112]

>>5312932
Thats pretty cool man. Im in tech so most medicine based ideas can read like black magic to me. I guess glucowise has something to do with recent advances in tiny spectrometers, a la Consumer Physics

[Anonymous No.5313193]

>>5313112
Kind of has the same concept, yeah. Not just that but the whole ''lab on a chip'' concept is going to be a booming technology, especially in the medical field. Next generation gene sequencing already benefits from that. No longer do patients have to wait weeks for a result.

[satoshilite !pufGroZf5A No.5313282]

>>5312941
This is not about fairness. Some people take risks. If they fail they are put down and laughed at. If they succeed they are envied and taxed. Fuck the system and the people supporting it by accepting the status quo. A huge dump deserves to be taken on them. And no I'm not Indian
>>5313031
This

[Anonymous No.5313300]

>>5308738
Cuz they don't like LARPing nigga

[Anonymous No.5313323]

>>5312941
Definitely part of it, and I would add that it also taps into prospect theory. When a person makes a decision in life they want to be right. People love being right. When you make a decision to play it safe and do a wagecuck style job, when you move in and marry some girl regardless of your similarities because you believe that each step of the way "it's time", you are committing to those decisions and the belief they are right. When people take risks, on some level these non-risk takers applaud them and say "go for it!" but they're saying that expecting them to fail. They're expecting everything to crash and burn and validate their safe choices. When they're miserable in a job, in a marriage, and just miserable about the life decisions they have made, they're buy-and-holding life itself. Maybe they'll make it to the grave with modest returns, or maybe they'll end up eventually having everything collapse anyway and wonder what the fuck happened. When the risk taker succeeds, it invalidates everything the non-risk taker does. You took the risk to to never marry and instead date young attractive women? Congratulations, you're going to be resented. You had 2 businesses fail and your third succeeded? You were welcomed by those non-risk taking sages the first 2 times, but the third is "luck" and nothing more and you should go fuck yourself. It's prospect theory. As non-risk taker seeing other risk-takers win is the ultimate FOMO, it's the ultimate dollar cost average to zero. In markets and in business, your skills generally don't go away, and opportunities are always abound. I'd argue opportunities are functionally infinite. You only get ONE life, so to ride that to zero while your neighbor rides his to the stars is probably an existential nightmare. Your biology must be going absolutely ballistic in such a circumstance. This isn't even taking into account the fact that people generally have zero understanding of probability or the probabilistic nature of our

[Anonymous No.5313358]

>>5313323
cont. universe. So they can't rationalize that there isn't anything mystical about their decisions or yours, it's just a game of numbers and playing those numbers in a way that makes sense to you.

[Anonymous No.5313396]

>>5313323
Good stuff

[Anonymous No.5313541]

>>5310982
Sounds like a sad existence

[Anonymous No.5313644]

>>5313323
>>5313358

This is spot on.

Ride or die bizfags, there is no comfy safety to be found here.

[Anonymous No.5313835]

>>5311962
true words, never bother because once you tell them no they forget everything you done for them.
kinda didn't expect this behavior from my family.

>>5311871
nah I will just drop them and move on, pretend in front of family that I don't make my money with crypto and move away.

>>5312130
thank god I don't live in the US, the laws in my country are not really enforced when its about crypto, like nobody really cares.

>>5312150
the thing is I keep doing it tomorrow and the day after etc. , hell even today I made money.
don't know why I'm so good at it, guess some people are born for it.

>>5312192
to me it sounds like people are bitching all the time no matter how you're doing.
If you're not as good as they are they try to bully you and try to rub it in your face, one "friend" I have was constantly telling me how he now makes 120 bucks more per month.
and I was like, "cool man, glad you're moving up bro" but the thing is not over yet for him, this guy constantly tries to shill me his job, talks about how good his job is and sometimes when he is butthurt lashes out about people who don't work regular jobs.

>>5312404
yea fuck them

>>5312645
butthurt people get butthurt and will try to destroy your Lambo.

>>5312751
>tell me about it
like you pretend to have no knowledge to move the discussion on to another topic.
when you think about it its fucking stupid to do that, like why the fuck even bother?

>>5312772
maybe I buy a Porsche next year but I would also need a place for the car, don't want it to rot outside where normie goons try to make scratches into it.

>>5312941
how is it not fair? crypto is all about risk and I risk several grand every trade.
I think it is very fair.
crypto if a full time job for me, I read whitepapers, stare at charts, calculate my profits, watch for opportunities and talk to others in the field to gain more knowledge and chances to make money.

>>5312942
I give them respect but they shit all over it, they don't care

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5314022]

>>5313323
>When the risk taker succeeds, it invalidates everything the non-risk taker does.

Or, in simpler words: when you succeed, it makes them feel like morons. Even morons don't want to feel like morons, so they'll rebel.

The trick is to get them feeling better about themselves. Not hard to do and doesn't cost you anything, except time.

Not an issue if you're stuck with them - but you can just spend less time with them.

Spend more time with risk-takers and you'll be happier.

Sure, there's a higher chance of harm or death, but life guarantees both ultimately, anyway.

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5314087]

>>5313835

> kinda didn't expect this behavior from my family.

Family actually is just a little more upfront about resenting your success. They just trust you won't respond with violence, because you're not a stranger.

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5314182]

>>5313835

> I give them respect but they shit all over it, they don't care

You're giving them YOUR kind of respect. Not the kind THEY want.

[Anonymous No.5314268]

>>5314182
what do you think, what kind of respect they expect?

>>5314087
I just wonder how I could not see that earlier.

[Anonymous No.5314399]

>>5313323
>>5313358
nice post m8, spot on

[Anonymous No.5314416]

Anon,

Look at it like winning the lottery. They expect you to share your wealth with them. Should you? Up to you.

I personally would keep those kinds of things to yourself until you've gauged their sentiment. I would use the opportunity to teach them about crypto, how to trade, and basically guide them on being a trader like yourself.

This is better than just giving them cash. They resent you because it feels like you advanced without them. Teach those who want to learn and drop those who refuse to engage constructively.

[Anonymous No.5314522]

Anon, it hurts the soul to know you missed out.

Every girl you should have made a move on? It hurts the soul.

Every opportunity you passed on to make you rich? It hurts the soul.

Every time you should have acted boldly, but acted meekly? It hurts the soul.

The more intense the result versus the effort the more intense the pain. Working out for two years? Well, that's a dull pain; it would have required a lot of work. Trading a million worthless bitcoins for a pizza? That's a fucking sharp burning pain.

Everytime someone succeeds doing something you could do, you're subtly reminded. You failed to do something that might have made you happy.

[Anonymous No.5314581]

Can we go back to talk about Ethermons? This is not reddit/r/rant.

[Anonymous No.5314648]

>>5314416
I told them about it, explained how it works, they didn't listen, they didn't care.
While I was buying cheap ETH and Monero they did nothing. they still don't want to bother with it and I gave up the shilling. they ain't listening anyway.

>>5314522
I finally found success when I stopped constantly looking back on missed chances, now I only look forward and plan for the future, don't give a fuck if I miss a moon mission, I just try to catch the next one.

>>5314581
no

[Anonymous No.5314677]

>>5308738

Buy a new sister

[Anonymous No.5314709]

>>5314648
How do you stop looking back?

[Anonymous No.5314742]

>>5314022

or you could just stop hanging around weak people who dont want to accept reality and stop wasting your time on massaging other people's emotional state

[Anonymous No.5314774]

hang out with new rich friends, anon. Of course they will say you changed, that success ruined you, but it will eat them like a cancer. Sorry you can't enjoy there misery

[Anonymous No.5314833]

>>5308738
I've given the opportunity to a few normies, they wont learn, they wont put enthusiasm to it, I went from starbucks to 6 figures and people wont listen.

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5314920]

>>5314268

> what do you think, what kind of respect they expect?

Before I tell you, what's more important is that if change the way you behave (like respecting them in ways you never have before) ... they won't believe you're real and they'll test you.

This kind of vicious "testing" (to see if you're for real) generally lasts about 3 months before things change dramatically for the better.

When this happens, what you want to do is to distract them. Trying to prove you wrong is a learned habit for them - and habits are hard to break, but easy to interrupt.

Anything weird of out of character for you can break up a the "same old" tirades. Just like a squirrel can throw an ADHD off focus, this is the same thing you need here.

So if they're shitting on your respect, it maybe because your respect seems too good to believe. Which is why they don't believe it and they're trying to trigger you to prove you're faking.

Find specific things you notice about your family members that seem unique to only them. Practice expressing those specific things into words. The more specific and more related to who they are (instead of how they look of what job/life they have), the better.

They probably are putting lots of effort into something - show that you see that effort and it means a lot to you. They care about things that may not seem important to you - work out ways to make them seem very important. Convince yourself first.

If you try it at first, they'll try to tear off the mask they think you're wearing - to trigger you to acting like your old shitty self.

Don't let them trigger you - decide the emotions you want (towards yourself and them), then practice justifying them.

They'll likely be freaking out for 3 months if you change your behaviour, but that's a small time to bear if you've already invested years living with your family.

[Anonymous No.5314971]

I just hit the high 6 figures mark and I realized I made the mistake of talking to friends and family about what crypto I was invested heavily in before it really took off.

I haven't explicitly said how much I have but they will occasionally comment about how high my investments have gotten and I can tell they are upset I didn't force their hand into investing in it as well.

My family isn't that bad but I can tell my friends think I was withholding information from them for some reason.

It kind of sucks. I have thought about trying to play it off like I was lying or something to get my friendship back.

[Anonymous No.5315005]

>>5311200
>Exercises? Sorry senpai, I just play football with friends and have a fast metabolism

Wii fit and oats usually shuts them up
But yeah crab in a bucket mentality if you're making it

[Anonymous No.5315014]

definitely jealousy, speaking from experience I get envious of my friend that started it a few months before I did, but atleast I listened to him

[Anonymous No.5315038]

>>5308738
You ask why?
Why didn't you hide your power levels?
People hate to see others do way better than them with less efforts you autist.
Don't talk to normies about crypto

[Anonymous No.5315061]

>>5314971
Your friends are trash, find better ones

[Anonymous No.5315161]

>>5308738
No better thread for people to remember there is absolutely no reason for anyone to know the state of your personal finances, period

If you stupidly opened your mouth for whatever reason accept the consequences

It's now your fucking job to get these people to buy in. I succeeded with one friend. The rest of them are getting nothing but insults. You tried to help them and guess what, they need additional education. That means giving it back as hard as they give it to you

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5315189]

>>5313300
>>5314581
>>5314677

kek

[Anonymous No.5315202]

>>5314920
IOW learn to cuck.

[Anonymous No.5315243]

>>5314709
I just stopped, accepted that time machines don't exist and now only look forward as it is the only thing I have any control over.

>>5314774
unfortunately I can't enjoy misery, I tried to help them but it turned out they don't care, don't respect me and just wish the worst for me just so they can feel better.

>>5314920
>acting like your old shitty self.
but I was never "shitty" even when I was poor I wasn't an asshole, I always tried to be a good person. sure I'm not jesus but I'm not a selfish asshole either. always tried to do the right thing, to avoid suffering, to help whenever I could.
all I wanted to do was share some of my new found crypto passion with my family and what I thought were good friends and this is what I got for it.
kinda the biggest insult I ever received.

>>5315038
I still hide how much I actually have. I just mentioned that I'm invested into crypto and make good gains.

[Anonymous No.5315258]

>>5308903
>>5308847
>>5308738
In a way, your tales of success belittle what they've dedicated their lives to. Ruled by fear and already trying to survive, they were too afraid to take the risk as there was no security, and now that you've achieved success that supersedes the hardwork and time they dedicated to their trades, you make it look like their lives are a joke, or that they just wasted their time. Most people don't like to feel that way, especially if they've been led down one specific path their whole lives that they've adhered to as it's the only thing they know.

[Anonymous No.5315319]

>>5315258
but I worked hard for it too.
but somehow my work is less worth than theirs even tho my risk is way bigger.

[Anonymous No.5315325]

>>5309120
In their eyes you just happened to have taken an incredibly retarded risk and somehow were able to gain a fuckton from it. They don't understand the tech behind it, they just see you suddenly producing thousands of dollars from your ass while their slaving away at their mcjob.

Most normies do not have the fundamental understanding of:
Work smarter, not harder.

Sometimes, laziness can be a good thing.

[BTC: 18FxdnX4kri4VqQDaae5F8Wj5(...) No.5315377]

>>5308738
I am sure that you know why. You're making more money then them with less effort. You're cheating the system and that means to break their expectations. All their effort and suffering seems a bit more useless.

I am playing with 200€, and that was enough for my family to start an argument. People can be really annoying and unpredictable sometimes.

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5315397]

>>5315202

My brainlet is fried for today (symptoms: long posts, lots of errors, "bear" instead of "bare").

Basically yes, anon. Your previous tip - hanging out with rich people - is probably best advice.

Hang out with rich & happy people for best effects.

[Anonymous No.5315488]

>>5311200
You sound like a normie faggot

[Anonymous No.5315527]

>>5315319
In a society where precision is worshiped above all else, risk is greatly frowned upon. Atleast until you understand it. If people don't understand something, they stick to the security of society to see them safe.

>>5315377
It's really ironic that people think that a guaranteed fixed income that's only as guaranteed as your use to the supplier, is better path to success than the open ended high stakes path of exponential gains. Risk is not without reward, yet people still get sour because they invest too much value in the reality they were born into, trusting that it won't collapse.

[Anonymous No.5315595]

>>5308738

how tf do you do it

I wanna get into trading, rn I'm just "investing"

Isn't the bubble gonna pop and gains like that gonna be hard sooner or later?

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5315635]

>>5315243

Sorry, anon, I'm tired. I meant "shitty" from THEIR perspective. That you don't respect them the way THEY want. (Which is a tall order based on their misleading behaviors and habits).

Basically, if you make them feel shitty, to them that's being shitty. It doesn't matter if you're doing it deliberately or not (in their eyes).

Sometimes helping people makes it worse - it's kind of like showing pity.

Rich people have this problem, that their friends don't want to party with them.

It takes serious mental work for a shitty person to just enjoy themselves at a rich friend's party.

Just like bums get free money - but that doesn't make them feel great. So sometimes helping other people just kinda proves that they're crippled welfare cucks. People on welfare aren't happy despite "free money".

Helping people doesn't always show you respect them (it depends). Often, you're proving they aren't worth shit and can't figure out things for themselves.

That's why often it takes 3 months for close friends and relatives to believe your intentions are pure. Takes a lot of communicating too. Lots of work.

[Anonymous No.5315670]

>>5308738
With how much do you trade to get 3k?

[Anonymous No.5315672]

>>5308738
My own parents dont even know that im investing in blockchains and I would not tell anyone outside this board how much I have. I dont even have much.

[Anonymous No.5315694]

>>5308738
they hate you because they wage slave their life away working paycheck to paycheck while your lazy ass makes more in a trade than they net in a month

[Anonymous No.5315723]

>>5309348
this but unironically

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5315771]

>>5315319

Everything is convinced they are working harder than others - and that's why they feel they deserve more recognition and success than others.

Even a bum on welfare thinks it's an in justice that they aren't getting more.

Day-trading is a fucking sacrifice. The endless research, the endless sniping stakeouts at dips and bumps. Dreaming of candles because that's all the brain sees all day long for months.

It's natural to want to be appreciated and respected for this. Same with a mindfuckingly boring wagecuck job.

[Anonymous No.5315911]

>>5315771
I’ve been investing in my spare time off work and it’s exhausting. Still infinitely better than wageslaving at an office.

I’d rather be doing manual labor desu were it not for the pay differences.

[Anonymous No.5315934]

>>5315771
I stopped daytrading because it was consuming me, but as a investor I'm doing pretty well catching rare gems. But making lots of money with one trade was amazing, almost too amazing.

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5315952]

>>5315325
>Work smarter, not harder.

The opposite of what society teaches:
- homework = guaranteed good grades
- college = guaranteed job
- many years of hard work = guaranteed retirement
- retirement = relaxing for the first time in your life

Anything else seems like a scam.

Otherwise, you'd have to believe society is batshit insane (the truth - that we're all living in a lunatic asylum). And that idea is just too scary to live with.

Normies can't handle the truth. What part of "can't handle" do you neets fail to understand?

[Anonymous No.5315955]

>>5315911

how did you start?

I'm looking to do something with my free time.

I tried with xrp but I lost like 50 xrp lmao

[Anonymous No.5316171]

>>5313541
Not really, I replaced them with risk takers as >>5313323 subscribed them. Great post by the way

[Anonymous No.5316261]

>>5315955
How do you just lose XRP?

[Anonymous No.5316293]

>>5316261

I started with 625, now I only got 583

I have 1k in a different wallet but not too salty.

[Anonymous No.5316309]

>>5314971
>my friends think I was withholding information from them for some reason.
Hahah because they are cucks. They cant fathom someone would risk tons of money unless knowing more somehow

All gains are rewards for taking risks. Normies dont take risks

[BTC: 18FxdnX4kri4VqQDaae5F8Wj5(...) No.5316407]

>>5315527
>It's really ironic that people think that a guaranteed fixed income that's only as guaranteed as your use to the supplier, is better path to success than the open ended high stakes path of exponential gains. Risk is not without reward, yet people still get sour because they invest too much value in the reality they were born into, trusting that it won't collapse.
Old mentality, I guess. We'll probably look at our children in the same way.

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5316458]

>>5315911
>>5315934

No matter how much you make (or lose), the experiences and lessons alone are priceless. (If you don't let trading control you).

It helps if you love crypto/trading more than the gains (like I do). Loving the gains is good to.

And enjoying life with some of the profits is a must.

Being consumed is ok - as long as you're aware what you're experiencing and learning to control it.

Being fucked over and raped by your own emotions is one of the best life lessons out there. Especially when you apply the lessons outside trading/crypto.

[Anonymous No.5316467]

>tfw my gf told me that its immoral to trade crypto

[Anonymous No.5316470]

>>5314971
I don't understand why you people do this.
You never talk about your success to anyone.
What this board is lacking is machiavellianism.
Read this blog right now:
https://illimitablemen.com/2015/12/27/machiavellian-maxims/
My gift to /biz/.

[Anonymous No.5316547]

>>5316458

how do you start?

any good guides?

looking to get into trading rather than investing and holding

[Anonymous No.5316712]

>>5316547
Ichimoku is GOD

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5317274]

>>5316407

Fixed income is great - more fuel for crypto until you don't need to work anymore. You work for crypto, crypto works for you. You take care of your coins while they're small and weak - they'll take care of you when you're too old to work (or fired).

Avoiding risk is the riskiest behavior - unless someone else is paying for the risk avoidance.

"Exponential" is the norm. Capitalism is about compounding without dumb restrictions. That's what wealthy families learn to live by. If you're earning linear gains (wagecucking), you must be desperate or insane or both.

Of course a communist education is all about work for the "honor of it" alone and no gains.

School and jobs are shit compared to hanging out with wealth-minded people. Hands down, every time.

>>5316293

Focus on the lessons - was it a mistake or unpredictable bad luck? Were there warning signs?

You still have a budget, so you're still in the game (GOOD!).

Even if you don't "make it" in crypto, there's going to be another big "something" (dotcom, housing, crypto, whatever). Learn the lessons, get the courage, aim for more lessons vs higher gains.

If someone spoonfeeds you, you'll miss out.

>>5316547

> how do you start?

I'm not a day trader, but this probably helps the most:
- put $50-$100 on an exchange
- find a currency pair (favorite shitcoin/BTC) with lots of ups and downs and set the chart to 1min candles
- use only limit buys/sells and move them around to try and predict the tops and dips for max gains
- continue until you run out of money due to mistakes and/or txn fees
- take a break
- repeat the above with the next $50-$100

You have to train your brain to predict what's predictable (more than you think) and avoid what's unpredictable (more than you think).

Treat it as an action game - your money is your HP. When it's game over, insert more coins and keep playing to get better.

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5317346]

>>5315161
>If you stupidly opened your mouth for whatever reason accept the consequences

Or take risks and do open your mouth: those that will support you will be either scam artists or best friends. Risk-reward right there.

[Anonymous No.5317410]

>>5317274
>telling someone to trade exclusively on 1 min candles

Christ dude.

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5317458]

>>5317410

Coz it's the best way to learn NOT to do it.

[BTC: 18FxdnX4kri4VqQDaae5F8Wj5(...) No.5317474]

>>5317274
>more fuel for crypto
That sounds good, but it is not that easy when you have people to support and bills to pay. As I said, I only have 200€ in crypto, and I am about to put 400 more in. Exponential growth is great when you have larger amounts to risk.

[Anonymous No.5317530]

>>5309120
We are proud of your achievements. Go make that steady figure with the most inovative piece of tech out there.

[Anonymous No.5317565]

>>5309120
Dumb ass, that's the way people are, it's one giant crab bucket. Very few people will be genuinely happy for you because they want to be rich over you being rich. It doesn't matter if you're making money from crypto, running a restaurant or flipping real estate, poorer people will always be jealous of richer people.

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5317774]

>>5317474

If you have less money to start with, you need disproportionately more time to wait for compounding.

It's why it's better to start with more (sell everything possible and work two shifts for a while) or earlier (have wealthy parents setting up a portfolio for you before you even learn to read.

It's logical that if crypto can get you the best risk/reward ratio, then putting EVERYTHING into crypto makes the most sense. (And diversifying gains into something unrelated of course).

Large sum or early start. Buy kneepads if you're late to the race and you feel you should be further ahead.

Being poor is nothing to be proud of. It's not an excuse, either. Blaming it on bills or family to pay doesn't help.

If family is such a problem or burden, sell them off to someone who wants to buy a family. Problem solved.

If they're precious to you, stop treating them as a burden. If what you buy with those bills is essential to your life, don't shit on those first-world utilities by calling them "bills".

[Anonymous No.5317797]

>>5316470
Thanks anon. Great reads.

I still fucking hate normies.

[Anonymous No.5317899]

They're upset with you because you're throwing away what little currency you have on worthless internet money while they're still completely supporting you.

[Anonymous No.5318152]

I'm depressed because of crypto. Back in 2013 I bought Litecoin and made 5x gains. In the beginning of 2017 I almost put 10k in Litecoin again, but I pussied out. In June I bought Bitcoin and sold at the first drop... Then I found about altcoins and bought OMG. Then I found about Signatum and went all in. It dropped by like 60% while OMG doubled in value. I was devastated. Why the fuck did I go all in in a shitcoin? That was in August I think... Well, in the next months I started playing with margin on Bitfinex and this is when my life went to shit for real. I put 16k dollars and I'm down to 320 dollars. This is absurd. I don't think I am stupid. I'm probably average IQ, but crypto makes me feel like the dumbest person on Earth. I hear most people who are here since June made money, how the fuck did I lose almost everything? And the thing is: I can't stop. I'm fucking addicted. I went to zero a few weeks ago and then I put more 2.6k dollars. Those are the 320 now. I want to have my life back, go to college (I'm fucking 23 already, I am ashamed to be who I am), get a degree... I've never dated a girl. I'm ugly as fuck. I'm weird too. I lack social skills. I'm shy, insecure... I have a margin position open on OmiseGO. Only 27.5 OMG. MY liquidation price is around 9 dollars... I bet I'll get liquidated... That'll be the end for me. I have CENTS in my bank account. Everything I saved all my life went to crypto. I was always a person who loved saving money for the future. I don't know what happened to me... Maybe the fact that I got old so fast made me desperate to make money as fast as possible too. I regret everything I did. I regret not buying Litecoin/Ethereum/Bitcoin in the beginning of the year, I regret not holding the Ethereum I bought in April 2016, not holding the Antshares I had... Not holding the Bitcoin I bought... A life full of regrets. I also regret a lot dropping out of medical school because I thought I wouldn't be able to handle the pressure.

[Anonymous No.5318155]

>>5317774
What do you consider too low for trading?

I have about £4k and have bills and rent to pay so really don't wanna lose that money. I recently chased out after putting in £500 into BTC a few months ago and going to £1500 just by holding.

Also what strategy do you use? TA researching fundamentals or something else?

[Anonymous No.5318242]

>>5309450
this. fuckin this

[Anonymous No.5318304]

>>5318152
Also... When I told my mom about crypto she was very supportive. In fact, she gave me 2k to buy Ethereum in 2016... i told her: this is for the future, ok? We're not selling at least in a few years... But then, because it was her money and it was going down at the time, I sold at a loss. Today the money she gave me would be worth 100 THOUSAND DOLLARS... It hurts, guys, it hurts a lot... But I know I can handle all this. I know all of us who lost in the most bullish market of all time can handle it... We just need to have hope in other aspects of life. I know it's hard, this year has been the worst of my life. I turn on the TV and they're talking about Bitcoin, I read the newspaper and they're talking about Bitcoin. It's everywhere. I told a few relatives a few times that I had bought Bitcoin and that this is a revolution. I'll never forget the day when this uncle came to me and said: wow, you must be so rich now that BTC is worth 10 thousand dollars, right? Only if he knew I lost everything... Well, I'm talking too much. I hope my friend gets rich though. We talk about crypto for months and he didn't fall for the day trading shit... He just buys and hold a few coins, sometimes selling and moving to other projects, but holding for at least one month. I hope he makes it... I"d be genuinely happy for him.

[Anonymous No.5318321]

>>5314971
just set up fake-pretend wallets and show them, that you only made like 6k

[Anonymous No.5318409]

>>5318304

this hurts to read but i shared your pain and now your pain is halved. you're welcome bro

[Anonymous No.5318477]

>>5318304
Don't give up bud

[Anonymous No.5318888]

>>5318304
Just keep going, this is just a dip in your life bro.

[BTC: 18FxdnX4kri4VqQDaae5F8Wj5(...) No.5319444]

>>5317774
>Blaming it on bills or family to pay doesn't help.
Touché.

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5319526]

>>5318152

>I'm depressed because of crypto.

Problem right there: emotions controlling you instead of you them.

> I almost put 10k in Litecoin again, but I pussied out.

Mistake: pussied out.

> I bought Bitcoin and sold at the first drop...

Mistake: selling low

> Then I found about Signatum and went all in.

More lessons. What made you buy? What red flags did you ignore? All in isn't a bad idea in itself - it depends.

> It dropped by like 60% while OMG doubled in value. I was devastated.

Being devastated is the problem. I laughed histerically at NEO's "big announcement" for 15 minutes and didn't even bother panic selling.

> Why the fuck did I go all in in a shitcoin?

Good question. Find the exact answer. Kill the cause.

> I'm probably average IQ

An advantage in investing.

> crypto makes me feel like the dumbest person on Earth.

Emotions controlling you again.

> I hear most people who are here since June made money, how the fuck did I lose almost everything?

Good question. Don't stop with the question, though. Trace back. Dates, times - everything. Detective work.

> I'm fucking addicted.

Emotions again. Good. s your job right there: learn to conquer it. You'll be way ahead of everyone else.

> I want go to college (I'm fucking 23 already, I am ashamed to be who I am), get a degree...

You're 23 ("all your life") and you've been liquidated at least once. Almost graduating daytrading! Why quit now?

> I've never dated a girl. I'm ugly as fuck. I'm weird too. I lack social skills. I'm shy, insecure...

Which is a good thing. Wealthy actors are miserable. In business no one fucking cares if you're ugly - they buy your products, not your face.

> I was always a person who loved saving money for the future.

Poorfag curse: focusing on saving money instead of making money.

> me desperate to make money as fast as possible

You're noticing feelings. Good.

> A life full of regrets.

Life not even started yet. Regretting priceless lessons.

[Anonymous No.5319596]

>>5308738
Don't say anything till Lambo land

[Anonymous No.5319662]

>>5308738
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome

They hate you because they aint you

[Anonymous No.5319714]

>>5309507
>not taking any risk and being a good wagecuck
>thinks he should be rewarded
kek

[Anonymous No.5319774]

>>5309120
What are you going to invest into next, anon?

[Anonymous No.5319904]

>>5318304
Learn from your mistakes, learn to hold good projects and you will make it, there's still time. Stop looking back.

[Anonymous No.5319918]

>>5319662
thanks for that

>>5319774
monero

[Anonymous No.5319941]

>>5308738
Don't say anything till Lambo land

[Anonymous No.5319967]

>>5319526
Good post.

>Mistake: pussied out.
Never make this mistake. Go for huge gains, which means good timing + good tech.

[shadowfag !lCmiJBoR0E No.5320087]

>>5318888

> When I told my mom about crypto she was very supportive.

Your a moron for not thanking her for the chance for an education better than in any college. Don't waste the chance by drowing in embarassment instead of continuing to learn from mistakes.

Respect her for believing in you. She's not going to be happy seeing you "devastated" 'n shit.

> In fact, she gave me 2k to buy Ethereum in 2016...

She wins best mom of the month award. And you're worried about losing some worthless fiat.

> But then, because it was her money and it was going down at the time, I sold at a loss.

Yeah, it's "different" when it's other people's money. We care more because of the embarassment. And that leads to even worse mistakes. Lessons, lessons.

> Today the money she gave me would be worth 100 THOUSAND DOLLARS...

Yes, and?

> It hurts, guys, it hurts a lot...

You ever been tortured? It's not pain, anon. It's just emotions fucking with you. It's these moments that make you more of a man or more of a pussy who needs one.

> But I know I can handle all this.

Then fucking express it like a man.

> We just need to have hope

Hope is for pussies and concentration camp prisoners. You're neither.

> I know it's hard, this year has been the worst of my life.

First-world problems.

> I turn on the TV and they're talking about Bitcoin

FOMO

> you must be so rich now that BTC is worth 10 thousand dollars, right?

Well fuck, tell him you messed up if you respect him. Helps sink the lesson in.

> Only if he knew I lost everything...

Things would be less awkward.

> I hope my friend gets rich though.

Tell him that. A friend deserves that support. Probably going through similar shit.

> We talk about crypto for months and he didn't fall for the day trading shit...

> I"d be genuinely happy for him.

BE happy for him. Right now. Share your failures. What could be worse? People you don't care about laughing at you in real life vs just in your head?

[Anonymous No.5320429]

>>5309507
coward man, getting butthurt.

there's always a few.

I mean, how pathetic does your life have to be to come into a cryptocurrency thread just to tell people they've made stupid mistakes and
"you're not playing by the same rules"

what a pathetic jealous little boy.

[Anonymous No.5321075]

>>5315771
honestly I like it a lot. I do it all the time and hardly sleep the past year with how these markets have been. I've never had a crypto related dream either

[Anonymous No.5321527]

>>5318304

>i told her: this is for the future, ok? We're not selling at least in a few years... But then, because it was her money and it was going down at the time, I sold at a loss.

So, you're dumb?

[Anonymous No.5321623]

everybody asks me for loans or to invest for them when I share my success :(

[BTC: 18FxdnX4kri4VqQDaae5F8Wj5(...) No.5322365]

>>5318304
Stay strong, anon. We all are going to make it.

[Anonymous No.5322666]

>>5316470

This guy is a douche bag. He unironically talks about using pick up lines to "make pussies wet". You should feel embarassed for linking this shit