There are not enough competent software engineers

[Anonymous No.53022010]

I've been hiring for a big company (I'm a fullstack team leader), working with top tech (React, typescript based MS for BE) and literally hundreds of software engineers are fucking retarded. Why is this industry filled with faggot idiots?

[Anonymous No.53022068]

>>53022010
Don't worry, it's all industries. It's what happens when you replace the people who build civilization with people that don't.
>gg no re

[Anonymous No.53022080]

>>53022068
Yeah, this is a universal problem. Software is attractive because of the money and qualifications mean next to nothing now if they ever did.

[Anonymous No.53022085]

>>53022010
yeah, everything's breaking dumbass

[Anonymous No.53022099]

>>53022010
Money attracts retards

Whats MS and BE?

[Anonymous No.53023808]

>>53022068
im competent in a different field but refuse to work with chinese or women.

[Anonymous No.53024105]

>>53022085
the plastic bags i use at my store are leaving behind these little strips of plastic - not the little oval punctured holes for hanging. they're fucking everywhere - keep an eye out, you'll see em, little slivers of black on the floor. that didn't start until about 5 months ago.
don't even get me started on cardboard.
>>53022010
your ability to perceive that shortcoming is your obligation to remedy, if you cannot work towards solving the problems that you face then you should find something else, perhaps, more 'fulfilling'? just a thought, mr. scoutanon.

[Anonymous No.53024242]

>>53022010
Retarded how?

[Anonymous No.53024261]

>Have IT certs and Python cert
>know a little java too
>doing something else unless I have to fall back on those because companies don't want to pay for my skills
>OP gets stuck with a team full of morons who only know how to code on paper

[Anonymous No.53024324]

>>53022010
The societal infrastructure is deteriorating and nobody knows what to do about it.Idiocracy is here.

[Anonymous No.53024334]

>>53022010
Hey OP, I'm a hobbyist coder. How do I break into tech with no work history there?

[Anonymous No.53024365]

>>53024334
Are you a tranny, women or minority?
If not good luck getting hired even if you have a degree lmao

[Anonymous No.53024395]

>>53022010
you should’ve seen the airports today. complete fucking chaos nightmare
>>53022068
>>53024324
these anons are right

[Anonymous No.53024407]

>>53022099
Marketing Software for Business Engineers. It's where all the money moved after SEO.

[Anonymous No.53024406]

>>53024365
>>53024324
>grow out hair
>shave
>”yeah i’m a woman in stem”
it’s that easy

[Anonymous No.53024418]

>>53024105
How do I get you started on cardboard?

[Anonymous No.53024422]

>>53022010
good, more $$ for competent ones

[Anonymous No.53024423]

>we can't afford to train
>why is everyone retarded
Lol.

[Anonymous No.53024432]

>>53024324
>societal infrastructure is deteriorating
everyone has the global library of information in their pockets and the line between real and not real is becoming a lot more visible for both people who 60 years ago thought their tvs had cameras in them watching their every movement, to kids joking about thier fbi agents reactions.
society changes anon, it's not deteriorating. for all you know Xi could get assassinated tomorrow and Elon admits he's an experimental robot from India. can you accept this reality; a future reality where billionaires are greater in number thus increasing your potential to make a million?

[Anonymous No.53024438]

>>53024261
>>OP gets stuck with a team full of morons who only know how to code on paper
They paid the goy tax for a degree from stanford though.

[Anonymous No.53024445]

>>53023808
> he doesnt bang chinese women
ngmi

[Anonymous No.53024461]

>>53024438
It's hilarious to me that the infamously worst coders are the ones with degrees in it.

[Anonymous No.53024500]

>>53024461
Universities get away with the "we're not a job training site" meme and businesses expect universities to do just that, creating extreme inefficiency in the modern hiring field.

[Anonymous No.53024535]

>>53024461
I was shocked when an interviewer said a lot of masters compsci couldn't explain what SQL's UNIQUE keyword did and couldn't explain dictionaries. I have a meme degree and got the job

[Anonymous No.53024549]

>>53022010
>companies don't want to hire people who don't have job experience
>people new to the field can't get any job experience
>boomers who have the experience retire
>now there's almost no one with the job experience to get hired
>result: companies complain there's not enough workers meanwhile there's unemployed software engineers who can't find a job because they don't have enough job experience

Woah, how did we end up here, it's a mystery to me bro. The companies might have the money but unfortunately most people in those companies are too fucking retarded to even see such a simple problem and how to fix it.

[Anonymous No.53024629]

>>53024549
I appreciate your schizo nonsense rambling but its misplaced here. I have never in my entire life met a competent boomer programmer. Every 50+ yo I've had the misfortunate to work with has been the weakest link in the team by far. Useless in the best case and in the worst case I have to go through each and every one of their code checkins and fix the moronic bugs that arise because they don't think through the logic more than the base level.

[Anonymous No.53024666]

>>53024629
Way to miss the point completely lol. Well at least you kind of proved my point about how these companies are full of people with the ego of a super genius but actual intellectual ability of a literal retard.

[Anonymous No.53024675]

>>53024666
You've never had a job before.

[Anonymous No.53024697]

>>53022010
Good. train more you cheap nigger

[Anonymous No.53024702]

>>53024675
Unfortunately I have and I've met plenty of people EXACTLY like you lol. See how you just keep being wrong over and over again but it doesn't even phase you at all? You just keep living in your own delusion. Again, proving my point of the HUGE mismatch of ego and actual ability.

[Anonymous No.53024712]

>>53024406
See, this is what companies get wrong. They need to take their highest performers, which inevitably will be white males, and bring them into a meeting.
>Congratulations men. You are getting a ten thousand dollar bonus, and, on paper you are all now black females.

Tell these black females they're not... They'll fucking sue you, bigot.

[Anonymous No.53024718]

>>53024461
Don’t think this is true at all, boot camp grads are universally garbage compared to pajeet devs with a degree. You don’t have to be good at programming to graduate by any means but idk why self taught devs have just such a hard on for themselves like yourself

[Anonymous No.53024722]

>>53024712
>white males
You're a failure in life if your main selling point is that you're a white male.

[Anonymous No.53024728]

>>53024629
You’ve worked with some shitty seniors then. Almost all of the boomer devs I’ve worked with have been doing it since the 90s or earlier when it was actually hard to do and you had to learn out of a fucking book

[Anonymous No.53024729]

>>53022010
Because modern hiring practices are overweighted in nepotism so you only get to see dipshit rich kids that think theyy can waltz into a team and collect a paycheck for copy pasting from stack.

[Anonymous No.53024732]

>>53022010
im a neet but know linux and shit hire me bro

[Anonymous No.53024747]

>>53024242
they watched some tutorials, did a bootcamp and forgot 80% of the information and expect a 6 fig job

[Anonymous No.53024768]

>>53024718
>You don’t have to be good at programming to graduate by any means but idk why self taught devs have just such a hard on for themselves like yourself

It's pretty obvious cope from the "self taught" devs. Nothing prevents you from leaning on your own AND getting a degree. And in fact most people with degrees probably also have some hobbyist background in the thing they're studying also. It's not mutually exclusive. Anyone who actually has a degree knows most of the work is done on your own anyway, it's not like the professor is doing all the work for you so the whole concept is pretty obviously retarded from the get go.

[Anonymous No.53024772]

>>53024747
You mean like everyone on /biz/?

[Anonymous No.53024792]

>>53024728
Ugh, I know the type you are speaking of and no its not impressive to me that they can reminisce about COBOL every other hour and tell you for the millionth time that back when they started 1MB was a huge amount of memory.
This worthless crap they obsess over is exactly what stops them from learning new things and look down on modern frameworks/languages that help actually productive people get things done.
You can smell the seethe when a fresh intern comes in and already can run circles around deprecated boomer has-beens.

[Anonymous No.53024814]

>>53022010
>1 post by this ID
nobody cares, webdev is for faggots and trannies
t. bigdata chad

[Anonymous No.53024826]

>>53022010
electrical + computer engineer zoomer here, I'm faced with the following choice:

1. work in person doing hardware engineering for 90k, driving to a wage cage rape pit every day for meetings with scum management retards that aren't even fucking engineers let alone people
2. lie, get a remote job in tech, and transcribe stackoverflow solutions all day for 150k a year

option 1. is literally rape compared to 2, and it's still better than 90% of jobs my generation is afforded. I fucking hate boomers, death to the elderly. Fuck the system, fuck trade cattle, and fuck management. Get the bag at any and all costs, anything else is slavery.

[Anonymous No.53024828]

>>53022010
Because online college exists now so literally every zoomer is just copy pasting code from stack and then playing video games in their free time.
A truly lost generation, us millenials will have to run the world well into our 70s because there won't be any zoomers to take our place, all of them "self made millionaires" who were too good for college apparently.

[Anonymous No.53025036]

>>53022010
I bet your company forces candidates through 3+ rounds of interview making them regurgitate information they could easily Google and also rejecting 50+ yo devs and nondevs who are trying to break in. Let's be real. Also lmao at top tech. React and typescript are gay af.

[Anonymous No.53025149]

>>53022010
I hope all the codeniggers get their bussies collectively rekt by the big dick of the market so that actually smart people like me come out on top again. Imagine being a codecuck who can't even do multivariable calculus and differential geometry LMAO. Brainlets like these deserve to get shredded by bullets from my company's killer drones in Minecraft.
t. aerospace chad

[Anonymous No.53025366]

>>53022010
This is s troll, but nobody noticed. Right?
Right, wtf guys.

[Anonymous No.53025397]

>>53022010
Real engineers (civil, electrical, mechanical, structural):
-masters degree in engineering from a brick and mortar university
-university programs undergo strict accreditation procedures, as the safety of the public is at stake.
Fake software engineers
-pajeet who learned to code on YouTube

Gee I wonder why software engineers are the laughing stock of the engineering world.

[Anonymous No.53025409]

>>53022010
Because the industry offers money, there are lots of folks who come for money, having neither talent nor passion.
What are you, 23? It should be obvious for anyone who's worked for 5+ years.

[Anonymous No.53025663]

>>53022010
Front-end webdev isn't software engineering.

[Anonymous No.53025723]

>>53022010
The issue is you probably pay like shit.

I'm a SME at my area of software dev in the industry, but I'm making 350k WFH in rural TX.

Why would top talent join this dipshits company paying 150k?

[Anonymous No.53025736]

It’s pretty fucked how so much is required just to break in and the universities don’t help. I’m going into my junior year next semester and I have yet to take a course where we did an actual project. I’ve only learned C++ and assembly. Teaching myself python because there are way more resources for doing leetcode problems in python and I don’t need to be a developer for 10+ years to make something with any semblance of significance
>>53024826
Are you me? I just decided to drop engineering altogether after being wfh pilled and switched to comp sci.

[Anonymous No.53025742]

>>53025663
And you ain't a scotsman.

[Anonymous No.53025755]

>>53022010
Hello sir

I don't understand what you mean

I graduated top programming university in my village

[Anonymous No.53025915]

Why are programmers so elitist lmao. Like every job has it’s bad members.

[Anonymous No.53025957]

>>53025663
just what kind of engineering are you softwarizing?
you can't convince me software engineers are actual engineers.
deadass bruh, go ahead and i'll tell you about the cardboard.

[Anonymous No.53025987]

>>53022010
universities exist to make money, nothing else. don't hire university graduates. just stop.

[Anonymous No.53026109]

>>53022010
as a junior dev; did you try actually reading my PR and giving feedback?

[Anonymous No.53026128]

>>53022010
>There are not enough competent software engineers
so instead of training some you just sit on your hands, good job guys

[Anonymous No.53026164]

>>53024826
Based.

[Anonymous No.53026204]

>>53024722
you are a failure in life because you completely missed the point of the post you stupid faggot.

[Anonymous No.53026285]

>>53025397
I just wish I could get paid correctly for making clean drinking water appear at people's houses.
But no, I get to make the same as a high school teacher.

[Anonymous No.53026331]

>>53025663
Sites like tradingview is not software?

[Anonymous No.53026694]

>>53022010
maybe you should try paying us more.
t. turns down 6 figure job offers after sending my resume out, as a hobby
I need 240k/year

[Anonymous No.53026763]

>>53024549
it's not a matter of experience for the cases i've seen it's just people who are fat losers who you can tell instantly they are useless. gamertags in pic very related. judge them
the "need 3 years of experience" kind of shit is very gay and boomers get paid far too much for their (((experience)))

[Anonymous No.53026777]

>>53026763
>imagine working with shaq diesel and danger boy

[Anonymous No.53026782]

>>53024826
>2. lie, get a remote job in tech, and transcribe stackoverflow solutions all day for 150k a year
Just think of it as being a consultant for people who don't know how to google. You're providing a need, a service.

[sage No.53026796]

>>53022010
Post the job and I'll apply, if the salary is at least 200k
t. 12 years software fag, react, ts, node, prisma is my preferred stack. also aws certified.

[Anonymous No.53026845]

>>53024395
>airports
denver? i was there today. its chaos and all nigger-tier employees. idiocracy is a good description. surreal and anons have it right. what comes next?

[Anonymous No.53027225]

>>53022010
>working with top tech
Fuck you 'top tech' nigger. The industry has been ruined by H1b hiring Boomers, pajeets, diversity hires and fucking jews.

Nobody wants to work at your 'top tech' corporation faggot. Competent people are highly selective where they go and what projects they get involved in. They can see you are a dumb bitch that is destined to run this project into the ground.

[Anonymous No.53027291]

>>53024535
>omg you don't know what this specific keyword does, that means you are dumb and worthless
fuck off, i never had to use unique in 5+ years of working

[Anonymous No.53027349]

>>53022010
Your requirements document is nothing more than laundry list of buzzwords thrown together by
a nepotism hire moron that cannot even do QA properly much less write working code.

You are a spineless shithead that will change core requirements after the vaguest suggestion by upper management.

[Anonymous No.53027556]

>>53022010
No one asked for your gay marketing app nigger. Brain-dead bimbo marketing execs, and media buyers make dumb excuses for not doing their jobs and those excuses get thrown into a pile of bullshit. Eventually some conniving jew thinks devs can automate these processes due to humans fucking them up.

The problem with that is the marketing bimbos are dumbed down with 5G and spike proteins. There are parasite worms playing dig-dig in their brains my nigger. Whatever software you deliver to your 'stakeholders' will be blamed for marketing campaign failures to cover for mass incompetence on their part.

[Anonymous No.53027572]

>>53022010
I can make 140k without being competent so who cares?

[Anonymous No.53027581]

Because I'd rather shitpost on the internet than code up some stupid bullshit for your shit little company.

Stay mad

[Anonymous No.53027707]

>>53022010
I recently interviewed a candidate for a lead dev role who couldn’t write a fizzbuzz function, the industry is a joke and braindead recruiters are laughing all the way to the bank

[Anonymous No.53027758]

>>53022010
Because as with everything else 20% of people do 80% of the work, now give me double my pay or I'm leaving after a year.

[Anonymous No.53027884]

>>53027291
If you haven't used a unique constraint and you've done any database work then you're a gorilla nigger retard who makes dog shit databases. If you've never done database work in 5+ years then you're either working in embedded or you're a frontend dev with no actual skills. Even game devs end up having to use some SQL.

[Anonymous No.53028619]

>>53027707
Did you explain how the algorithm works? I have written it in the past, but I always forget the details.

[Anonymous No.53028774]

>>53022010
India.

[Anonymous No.53028778]

>>53022068
This. We hired third world street shitters to crap up a good thing.

[Anonymous No.53028792]

>>53025663
Software isnt engineering. Programmers are technicians.

[Anonymous No.53028809]

I can build a calculator with nothing but basic javascript.
Am I qualified OP?

[Anonymous No.53029172]

>>53028619
Faggot expects everyone to understand American lingo and judges everyone who doesn't. Why are ameriburgers so stupid?

[Anonymous No.53029180]

>>53022010
I make 300k USD a year and I live in a tiny little Thai village with a house so cheap I could buy six of them from one year's income, kitted out with everything so that I basically don't ever leave home, near zero tax because foreign corp I own hires me locally at minimum wage that allows the visa, and I'm basically already retired if I want to be and only work on stuff I find interesting and prefer to work alone because exactly as you say almost everybody in tech is retarded and you're not permitted to call them out on it because diversity.
Anybody that could do what I'm doing probably are already doing some permutation of it, so it is not surprising that the supply approaches zero given the demand.

[Anonymous No.53029199]

>>53028792
>muh programmers aren't REAL engineers!

Yep when looking at my $30,000 post-tax monthly checks for my $550,000 salary as a software engineer, I always cry that I'm not a real mechanical or civil engineer making ~120k tops.

[Anonymous No.53029216]

>>53029199
But you aren't. A nurse who makes a million dollars is still not a doctor. If the power grid malfunctioned, you wouldn't have the first clue about fixing it.

[Anonymous No.53029219]

>>53029180
If you make 300k remotely and are so good that you can pick your own projects, why the fuck would you live in a tiny backwoods Thai village?

What a waste, engineers are retards.

[Anonymous No.53029226]

>>53029216
>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/engineering
>2.b.
> the design and manufacture of complex products - software engineering

[Anonymous No.53029245]

>>53022010
>top tech
>React and TypeScript
lol
lmao even

[Anonymous No.53029282]

>>53029219
Because it's peak comfy, cheap as fuck, I have enough stashed away to live many lifetimes, I don't have to deal with retards, and I can have basically anything I want for basically nothing. People here are polite, friendly, respect my privacy and don't fuck with me. Compared to my home city of Sydney, it is basically the polar opposite.
Why would I want to go anywhere else? Japanese countryside or this was basically a toss up and I'm still considering maybe doing both and a yacht to cruise from one to the other, but for now this is about the best I can come up with given what I want and most importantly don't want.

[Anonymous No.53029334]

>>53029282
>cheap as fuck
you make 300k, you don't need to live poor

[Anonymous No.53029373]

>>53029334
Here is a lesson it took me decades to earn and one of the most important I've ever learned. Don't match your outgoing to your incoming just because you theoretically could. If you live on a minute fraction of your income that is just less leverage the world has over you. I have not yet regretted pushing this to the absolute extreme possible, and I expect that I never will.
I did the opposite for too long though and I sure as fuck regret that.

[Anonymous No.53029483]

>>53022080
>>53028778
and that ridiculous oversaturation of morons/the horror stories I hear on here and /g/ put me off of continuing to learn programming because my perception is that even if I get good, I'll have to deal with that filth for my entire career.

[Anonymous No.53029619]

>>53029483
Anon.. even web devs who grift the subcontractor/freelance racket efficiently make better money and have more freedom than most citizens. But sure fud yourself out of autonomy and high pay because of what you read on 4chan

[Anonymous No.53029628]

>>53029373
>less the world has over you

this sounds like some 4chin redpill bullshit "da jews consoooom!!" to me. I spend a lot, I make a lot. I live in a highly desirable area with more shit to do than anywhere else. I could live in bumfuck nowhere like you and save a ton, but my salary is gonna climb for the next 50 years. I'll be fine being 60 making 800k/year working 5hrs/week as a remote '''consultant'''.

[Anonymous No.53029666]

>>53029628
Enjoy your hedonic treadmill induced depression, burnout and still being poor relative to people who master the art of minimalism. It has nothing to do with da joos want u to consooom, it's about understanding the nature of your own motivations, drives and desires and the way that the world around you is structured to capitalise on them to your detriment and its benefit.
If I had been told what I'm telling you now twenty years ago I'd respond exactly the way you're responding now. You'll understand in time.

[Anonymous No.53029690]

>>53029628
What do you consider "shit to do"? Food in foreign countries is good. Cheap women too. Nature?

Are you talking about expensive bars and Disney land or something?

[Anonymous No.53029832]

>>53022010
All the nerds left because you hired women and minorities for the last two decades.

Just train someone you fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.53029847]

>>53024395
There's no one to fly when pilots are dropping dead because the vaxx is already lethal in normal altitudes, then constantly going into thin air and changing pressure is making it much more lethal for pilots.

[Mr. Gaming No.53029853]

>>53022010
Can relate.
There is such a supply shock they pretty much hire anybody these days - because they have to

[Mr. Gaming No.53029867]

>>53024407
Cringe, i thought microservices and backend. Move to the financial industry/IT consulting if you want to work with competent people

[Mr. Gaming No.53029893]

>>53024535
> Database engineer
How‘s the weather down in cuckland

[Mr. Gaming No.53029903]

>>53024549
You forgot
> go on to hire niggers and mentally disabled LGBTQ+ with sub 80IQ for diversity quotas

[Mr. Gaming No.53029949]

>>53025036
This

[Anonymous No.53029950]

>>53029282
whats your cooming situation like?

[Anonymous No.53030000]

>>53022010
I blame 3 things:
1. Unrealistic expectations. HR demanding 1st class degrees and 10 years experience in everything for a basic entry-level job. I know one company recently got over 150 relevant applicants, yet HR rejected them all for frivolous reasons.
2. Universities not teaching the right stuff businesses want.
3. Businesses not training. Why rely on universities to do the work, why not train the staff yourself? Especially if you are using more obscure software and languages.

[Mr. Gaming No.53030024]

>>53029199
Yep when looking at my $300,000 post-tax monthly checks for my $5,500,000 salary as a software engineer, I always cry that I'm not a real mechanical or civil engineer making ~120k tops.

[Anonymous No.53030033]

>>53029950
In the small town I stay monk mode not because I have to but because it's not in tune with the regular lifestyle I want. I could keep a stable of tens that would do whatever I wanted if that was what I wanted, but I'm not interested.
If I ever do get the urge to go degen, Bangkok is an hour flight away, and that's more class A orifices than I could ever hope to fuck as many as I want deep doing whatever I want. If I ever go terminal degen, there's Pattaya, but frankly I can't see it ever happening. Every now and then I take a jaunt to BKK and break loose and I think that's going to be enough for me. And it like everything else here relative to earnings and wealth is basically nothing from my pov.

[Anonymous No.53030095]

>>53024729
You should replace nepotism with diversity.

[Anonymous No.53030189]

>>53029847
2 weeks.

[Anonymous No.53030209]

>>53030000
>Why rely on universities to do the work, why not train the staff yourself? Especially if you are using more obscure software and languages.
>”Thanks for beta testing me but faggotman pays more, so sayonara!”

[Anonymous No.53030229]

>>53030033
And you don’t want a family? Then why do you need that much money?

[Anonymous No.53030247]

>>53030209
A lot of places that do training have contracts stating you have to work for them for a certain number of years or else you must reimburse them for the training.

[Anonymous No.53030273]

>>53029180
any hint for the use case for a retard techie (ML engineer lol) like me, so I can get on that path?

[Anonymous No.53030407]

>>53030229
Need has nothing to do with it. It's what do i want to do, and how much can I make doing it, and that's all. Why would I take less for doing what I want? Why would I do something other than what I want when I could do whatever I want?
I see no upside to a family. The world has been shit my entire life. I found my slice of paradise for now but the long term prognosis given human nature and their abilities as I've observed them so far is bleak enough i would view progeny as a sentence rather than a gift. I'll live my life the way I want optimising for roi and personal longevity, but if I leave behind a conscious being other than myself it will be in silico so I can get out of this shit planet and explore the universe is my present view. But who knows, we change with age.
>>53030273
Just build relationships with clients that allow you location independence and have projects you're interested in that pay market or better and you're pretty much done.

[Anonymous No.53030570]

>>53022010
If you hire me I promise I will learn whatever you need me to.

Cons:
can't code

Pros:
White
Not retarded

[Anonymous No.53030589]

>>53030407
thanks, I'll think on that and look for opportunities.

[Anonymous No.53030769]

>>53029216
I would, but I doubt a chemical engineer would. A large fraction of software work is legitimate engineering. We all just work on very different things.
t. Software dev who has worked on grid control systems for 8 years.

[Anonymous No.53031254]

>>53029628
>I live in a highly desirable area with more shit to do than anywhere else
Are we really going to pull out the "shit to do" meme?

>>53029690
>What do you consider "shit to do"?
This is the relevant question. I work remote software from southeast asia as well.

Picking a town and locking in the provincial lifestyle (with good internet) is comfy as that anon put it. Anon could set up an archery range, ride a motorbike, touch grass/have sex, work out at home, go to breakfast/lunch/dinner, and shitpost on a chan of their choice all from a thai village.

You can build your own compound for under $100k

It helps if you have solo hobbies or share the local language of course. Anon, do you want a new neighbor in the village sir?

[Anonymous No.53031270]

>>53022010
Realize that the schools don't teach them anything. When screening in interviews, try to find the guys who are competent to teach them the stuff quickly and get up to speed.

[Anonymous No.53031384]

>>53030209
What a retarded mindset to have, investing in your workers will most likely make them happier and more bought-in over the long run

[Anonymous No.53031432]

>>53024324
You ever notice how zoomers parrot these talking points but never are able to articulate any solutions?

[Anonymous No.53031594]

>>53031254
I got a bench and a squat rack and 500 kg of iron, a pool, 10kW solar and battery backup, an electric car, two redundant gigabit internet connections, a rottweiler, rainwater harvesting and so many filters they'll be around long after me. I'm making friends with soldiers down at the local firing range with a view to getting my own gear held for me there longer term but now just plinking away with the tourist level rifles, pistols and shotguns. I get grass fed beef and wild salmon shipped in every week, and I've got all the supplements and electrolytes I could ever need also, I have enough tech gear to start my own local cloud provider and exotic stuff for dabbling in gpgpu with a focus in pytorch and ai stuff. I'm rigged with so much automation there is basically no need for me to do anything here, and even if there was local help runs five bucks a day for whatever.
Eventually I'll probably set up another similar compound seaside and buy a liveaboard blue water cruiser and dock it there, then a third compound in rural seaside Japan and maybe some other seaside areas I've been and enjoyed during my world roaming adventures. In the distant future I'm going to try build my own liveaboard submarine with hydrogen lifepo4 and otec drive.
I welcome anybody to whom the above appeals to in any way. The world could do with more of us, and I've no complaints about the way I've been treated here.

[Anonymous No.53031791]

>>53031594
Do you need a groundsman?

[Anonymous No.53032377]

>>53025149
really weird way to cope about getting paid less than retards but you do you

[Anonymous No.53032997]

>>53029334
NGMI

[Anonymous No.53033383]

>>53030407
>these are the people who get paid in software

[Anonymous No.53033409]

>>53024423
Thus
>hire people with little experience
>wtf why aren't they a 20k hour expert in *my preferred langauge/devenv*

[Anonymous No.53033543]

>>53022010
I'm an extremely competent software engineer, I can do anything really and hahahaha I'm just not gonna work for a company. I'm just not gonna is all. Hahahahaha

All the actually skilled people have fucked off from the workforce. Enjoybeing forces to hire a niggere, trannies and women. I give your company 5 years.

[Anonymous No.53033572]

>>53022010
>Why is this industry filled with faggot idiots?
because you faggots went woke.
first, colleges are grading shitskins favorably in order to promote inclusion at their school for more profit.
so thats how youre getting idiots.
secondly, the minimum effort also attracts people with mental issues.
and no one wants to work with people or in a field where they have to tip toe every fucking minute because they might offend someone.

regards,
a former software engineer

[Anonymous No.53033620]

>>53026285

This was figured out 2000 years ago by Roman Legions in between crucifying people. Cope.

[Anonymous No.53033622]

>>53031432
Zoomers are like 20 years old, they're college kids who can see things are fucked but expecting college kids to have complex solutions is retarded. Ideally your leader would be about 48 years old and have a wife and kids of his own.

[Anonymous No.53033899]

>>53033620
I wish I could get adequate compensation for slaying barbarians and crucifying people while I spend my free time providing fluoride-free water to the general public on a mass scale.

Literally my dream job.

[Anonymous No.53033903]

>>53022010
Why the f*** do you use react? Muh single page app monstrosity.

Just keep everything on the back end (PHP MVC) and use JavaScript what it was designed for. Yuck.

[Anonymous No.53033943]

>>53033543
Same here I worked for 7 years straight and then I went on a sabbatical. I saved my money and I'm spending down to the last penny. I can survive for about 5 more years on savings, longer if I move to SEA.

Meanwhile I'm working on my own projects. I will never return to a company again unless I get a fair share, or the nightmare that is company "culture" stops being so pozzed.

[Anonymous No.53034108]

>>53030247
The companies make more money by having someone working for them than by paying them for the lessons though.

[Anonymous No.53034152]

>>53022010
Guys is 4chan safe from lack of software engineers? We need smart people to manage complex websites like 4channel.org

[Anonymous No.53034167]

>>53024105
kek is that supposed to be rodney dangerfield?

[Anonymous No.53034720]

Fellow burnt out software engineers, SEA expats, mentally ill technologists, and others seeking shelter, I have a question:

I do SRE to fund my lifestyle and pay the bills, but have sort of hit a net worth where I don't have to moneymaxx nearly as much. I'm also about 70% done with moving to the Philippines (got some loose ends in the US).

I'm good enough at chilling in a corporation since 2015 and getting paid, but want to up my competency. I cheated in college, which influenced my skillset for sure, but it's not all doom and gloom because I skipped out on the hardcore implement an RDBMS in pure C projects

What's some cool tech to learn that would either be useful for CHILL employment or my own projects?

Explicitly very not interested in systems programming, mildy not interested in game development. My only recent personal project idea has been a philippines dating site lol

My overall theme here is that I feel SWE would be more sustainable and less frustrating if I enjoyed the area of tech I was working with/on

[Anonymous No.53034904]

>>53024772
That's everybody on /g/

[Anonymous No.53035032]

Question, would IT be a better alternative to software dev in terms of a career? I'm having to decide between the two and IT seems to have more reasonable expectations in terms of the requirements they seek. Though the salary seem to be lower and no work from home which I don't really care at the moment, just trying to start out in whatever tech place.

[Anonymous No.53035231]

>>53034720
Do webdev with chatGPT and replit, the get replaced by it
>>53035032
I'm in the same position, between going all in on web dev or cloud. Web dev is easier to break into, probably more threatened by advances in ai than IT. I.T. is harder to break into especially if you're trying to get in via AWS/CompTIA/CISCO certs. But if you get into security, it is unlikely that you would face replacement by automation in the same time frame as web devs.

Depends on what kind of lifestyle you want really. Either way you have to deal with the culture of tech. I'm sure being in i.t. security is less pozzed than web dev, but the goal for me is remote work so I could stomach the webdev community culture if it means I can have a decent salary and not have to go to an office.

[Anonymous No.53035502]

>>53035231
I thought to do webdev you have to know and work with cloud tech since it makes it easy to use from home and make the products salable.
I didn't do the usual cert route because those things expire whereas uni meme papers never really I'm being interviewed for an IT role. To be honest just maintaining and making scripts to automate things seems comfy compared to coding everyday.
The amount of rejections for software dev jobs has made me insecure about my coding in general. I guess IT Is just fine for me, I'll just code my own things on the side.

[Anonymous No.53035622]

>>53029628
Holy shit, consooomers are something else. But if you like it so much why are you angry about someone living different? It just looks like you hate your life and you need a validation of your choice. In the end you are just a good god slave cattle for tax milking.

[Anonymous No.53035669]

>>53035502
Googles deepmind beats 50% of coders in competition. No one can predict how bad this will impact professionals across the board. The future is top 10% humans with ai copilot and everyone else can go get fucked, they'll vote for UBI and watch Netflix because there is nothing else they can do. Very few people will go out past age 30 or 40 and learn a real physical trade. I think they'll just start killing us off faster desu.

But you are answering your own question. If you like the nature of IT better, then do it. There is no reason not to pursue AWS certs though, and if you want to specialize then being able to pass the big dick security certs will greatly expand your potential employmet.

A front end web dev doesn't have to work with databases necessarily. Full stack is where the money is. I'm hoping someone can redpill me either way on which industry is better for a 30yo boomer trying to escape poverty, specifically the barriers to entry in "web dev" broadly speaking v.s. AWS cloud certs

[Anonymous No.53035694]

>>53035032
There is no future for traditional IT jobs.

Everything is moving to the cloud which is set up by software devs / devops engineers creating infrastructure as code.

[Anonymous No.53035707]

>>53022010
Why should I become competent and exhaust myself mentally? You will hire me and can't fire me since I'm a minority. Thanks for the money whitey.

[Anonymous No.53036294]

>>53035694
Makes sense I'll look into deving again if I can even get accepted but for now I'll settle on IT since I got nothing on me right now. Thanks and goodnight.

[Anonymous No.53037687]

>>53035669
Beg borrow or steal for a MD (6years is nothing), stack crypto, get cushy job (GP or Cardiology is better), stack even more crypto, open your own MRI clinic or Holistic Clinic or Health Resort.

[Anonymous No.53037725]

>>53022099
microservices for backend lmao

[Anonymous No.53037780]

>>53022010
The good engineers are too autistic to make it past HR.

[Anonymous No.53037843]

>>53022010
Because this "industry" has an insanely low barrier of entry and there are no viable state-accredited or at least independent certification paths that mean anything.
Lawyers might be retarded in many ways, but you know anyone who manages to pass the bar exam is at least halfway competent with legal matters. Same with a doctor who manages to go through med school and residency.
No such thing as the bar or residency for SWEs

[Anonymous No.53037923]

>>53022010
I'm a react/next.js dev with a bachelors.
I'm willing to work remotely for less than 100k because I'm europoor.
Gonna go to sleep and read your reply tomorrow, good night.

[Anonymous No.53038079]

>>53025036
Actually, no. I have full influence and I don't give gay ass home tasks because I know that's a shitty way to check skill, I ask questions and check problem solving skills without laundreing stinky "crack the code" questions. Actual real life issues. So that's a stupid ass assumption, and to be honest, even if that was the case, it would make things way easier.

[Anonymous No.53038157]

>>53037780
hr is the last phase before recommendations stfu idiot, and it's widely known that if you passed tech intreviews it's very hard to fail HR, you need to say some really fucked up shit there

[Anonymous No.53038170]

And job outreach/recruiter middlemen are fucking retarded on their interview questions. Guy questioned me on cpp macros for a data analysis job. OP knows what he needs on the team fuck middle men bullshit

[Anonymous No.53038225]

>>53038170
unironically true, hr out reach are fucking retarded, but it's easy to pass it they just look for keywords

[Anonymous No.53038258]

>>53038157
>hr is the last phase
Nope it's the first phase.

[Anonymous No.53038277]

>>53038258
first and last, you're missing the point

[Anonymous No.53038279]

>>53022010
most likely the same issue across all industries, no companies will train their workers anymore.

[Anonymous No.53038304]

Can being a dev help me escape leafland and return to the European countries my ancestors are from? I hear that, as bad as things are in Europe, the general vibe of people even in the most pozzed city is still more civil, friendly and human. I'm tired of living with people who are simultaneously smug libshits as well as tasteless, aggressive white trash. I hear even in shitholes like downtown London, the streets are cleaner and the people lack that "open air insane asylum vibe" that you get in all the cities in Canada. If I'm going to live in a word of insane NPCs, I'd at least like to live where the NPCs occasionally stop to appreciate the beauty of nature while walking to their bullshit job, or return a friendly smile, or just aren't so grubby and trashy all the time.
Is this just a typical North American retard take?

[Anonymous No.53038433]

>>53038304
>open air insane asylum vibe
lol yeah you definitely won't find that in Europe ;^)

[Anonymous No.53038538]

>>53029180
can you explain more how you set this up. was looking at something similar after 20 yrs in industry

[Anonymous No.53039331]

>>53026763
I remember Achronos. The extremely arrogant webmaster who irreversibly fucked up bungie.net

[Anonymous No.53039362]

>>53038304
lmao

[Anonymous No.53039751]

>>53022010
Don't worry anon. Like /biz/ and /pol/ like to espouse on the daily, there should be a huge backlog of competent white male applicants who were rejected (not before being blacklisted) by every other company because the no-good bastards in HR and DEI hate hiring their kind.

[Anonymous No.53040305]

>>53024826
Based. Don’t forget to help your brothers along the way. Godspeed brother.

[Anonymous No.53040317]

>>53025663
It’s basically gay sex plus typing.

[Anonymous No.53040347]

>>53029282
Hope this is true

[Anonymous No.53040434]

>>53029853
Who? Literally, I am a chatgpr codegod, what should I ask it to put in my resume/cover letter?

[Anonymous No.53040554]

I needed to see this thread, as im currently trying to learn python.
any of you guys know what this code does? what is the printed outcome? (wrote this from memory)

best_pizza = ["dominos", "Pizza Pizza", "Pizza hut", "boston pizza"]
my_favourite_pizza = best_pizza[2]

print ( "So guys, my favourite pizza place is" + " " + (my favourite_pizza.upper())

[Anonymous No.53040678]

>>53033620
I want to get paid to crucify globalists and their political bitchbois. Is SWE a means to this end? I’m 48 with a degree in English, sever mental health faggot bitch rampant disease and most likely heart disease from YEARS of goyslop and inactivity. I’m smart and hard working occasionally. I have had sex with a real woman, 12 years ago before I put on 200lbs and lost sight of my peenus

[Anonymous No.53040748]

>>53040554
my_favourite_pizza accesses the third element (lists are 0 indexed) of best_pizza list to get the value of "Pizza hut", then the print concatenates the strings together, upper casing the second one. You should do a proper programming tutorial nstead of asking us here. Don't ask /g/, they don't know how to program either.

[Anonymous No.53041391]

>>53024722
You sound like a nigger and/or a tranny.

[Anonymous No.53041929]

>>53024702
damn you hit that guy where it hurts lol

[Anonymous No.53041952]

>>53025149
whoops sorry guys I forgot to mention I'm trans btw if anyone wanted to know
had to change VPN cuz of gangstalker fuckers

[Jealous No.53041972]

It's probably got such s high proportion of idiots because it's stocked with people who have USA CS degrees.

[Anonymous No.53041979]

>>53024792
Pretty garbage take, those guys are usually pretty knowledgeable and helpful to learn from if you’d humble yourself. Once you’ve been in the game long enough you stop being impressed by X new framework that some intern knows well when it will just be replace in 2-5 years. You’ll get there eventually CS student

[Anonymous No.53042037]

>>53022010
I love reading tech threads on /biz/, what an absolute shitshow. Protip: any of you doom posting about how ai will destroy the industry and fudding newfags out of trying it are just furthering my own job security. Being a senior is fucking great lmao. GG EZ

[Anonymous No.53042277]

>>53031432
Solutions require an environmental context in which I, the actuator on the aforementioned problem, can act within logical parameters and constraints.

tl;dr - The problem is with your lack of intellectual curiosity

[Anonymous No.53042328]

>>53040678
lmao, yes. if by crucify you mean compartmentalization of your willful compliance of helping the elite run their machines they can’t understand themselves.

[Anonymous No.53042376]

>>53024768
So you agree that the common factor between good programmers is self dedication and not degree. What a beautiful time.

[Anonymous No.53043790]

>>53022010
Yeah, about that... We are all quitting to work on web3 like twetch dot com

[Anonymous No.53043800]

react is trash

[Anonymous No.53044657]

>>53030000
chizzecked

[Anonymous No.53044728]

>>53031594
Got any advice for buying a boat? I'm working remotely on the east coast US in a rural LCOL area but need to get out of my parent's house. The options are either buy a house in PA or buy a liveaboard bluewater like you mentioned, and I've always had a soft spot in my heart for the life of freedom. Done a bit of sailing in my youth but never more than 3 days at a time.

[Anonymous No.53044752]

>>53022010
Why would I work in a corporate hellscape when I can still make decent money being self-employed? Also I literally do Zoom calls shirtless and can work whenever and wherever I want.

[Anonymous No.53044779]

>>53022010
I do this everyday and am looking for a new job. Do react sometimes, but day to day is typescript node microservices deployed with aws serverless technologies. Lambda, api gateway, s3, dynamo db, etc. we only do infrastructure as code using cloud formation.

[Anonymous No.53044785]

>>53042037
Based. As an actual senior dev, i feel like this thread and /g/'s /twg/ is 90% neets doom posting about AI who, never having actually had a job, can't comprehend how AI wont replace shit in the field for the foreseeable future.

[Anonymous No.53044877]

It’s true.

> be me started 3 years ago with little programming background
> was ‘that dev’, but didn’t want to be
> worked in my own shit on the side
> promoted from associate after a year
> now on the edge of being a senior (really should be at this point)
> have a dev on team on the verge of tears constantly
> the rest haven’t progressed or learned a single thing in a year and still need help with basic CSS and flex box issues
> can’t rely on them to put up a decent PR for a 1 point story

Put me out of my misery.

[Anonymous No.53044958]

>>53030000
Blessed
>>53030209
Pay more you fucking beta, "its just business"
>>53030247
This should be more illegal than non-competes are in states like co
Businesses need to nut up and stop expecting employee value to only go one way

[Anonymous No.53044966]

>>53042037
wtf? it's like you didn't read the thread at all. opee wasn't talking about ai at all, but about general incompetency
incidentally, you're a good example of this flawed system. midwit who can't even parse simple text, yet a senior engineer with job secury

[Anonymous No.53047829]

>>53044877
Fuck css and fuck flex box.

[Anonymous No.53048144]

>>53024792
Brutal noobgroid right here

[Anonymous No.53048708]

>>53024535
>>53027291
What's dumb about this is that no one knows absolutely everything off the top of their head.

I guarantee you the comp sci master would be able to grasp the concept of using the UNIQUE keyword a lot quicker than anyone else would.

What this tells me is that hiring managers have no idea what software development is. It's a constant process of learning to work with tools, and sometimes even build or implement new tools and integrate new technology, that requires--you guessed it--learning.

Software development is a life-long process of self-teaching. Hiring managers are genuinely retarded, and can't imagine what they're doing wrong because they've never had to learn a thing in their life. All they've ever done is regurgitate memorized things from textbooks instead of learning and training any skills.

[Anonymous No.53048742]

>>53022068
and you're one of them

[Anonymous No.53050011]

you know what, im gonna take shortcuts today, and im definitely not documenting anything. doing my part to make things a little worse

[Anonymous No.53051402]

I refuse to learn to code. I'm already a multimillionaire from investing and I sold the top of the market last year. I don't care if it's $300k per year, my non-SWE job pays decently and I work 4 hours a week at most. Once the market turns around, another cycle should bring my net worth over $20m

[Anonymous No.53052919]

>>53024406
In the game we call this playing. High-testosterone females ARE TO BE RESPECTED GODDAMMIT

[Anonymous No.53055172]

I'm not retarded anon, work in those languages and have built many products, distributed backends etc from scratch. I live in Aus tho.

Wanna hire me? What's the pay usd